Guest blogger: The White Plains Batman

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The coming of July 1st signifies the height of the summer; beaches, barbeques, and relaxation,  but during the last decade, the Glen Sather era has been an anxious day when Rangers fans hold their breath as they’ve become accustomed to the GM-For-Life overpaying mediocre unrestricted free agents with sometimes outrageous contract lengths and stipulations such as no movement clauses.

This summer seemed to be a change of pace as the Rangers made modest acquisitions by signing their in- house free agents and an affordable backup goalie in Martin Biron, but the 4 year deal at $1.625 million per for enforcer Derek Boogaard had professional publications like Sports Illustrated and ESPN.com laughing at Sather while fan forums including HFBoards.com and even here at Rangers Report are up in arms. The deal may be hefty, but having an enforcer with Boogaard’s resume will benefit the Rangers tremendously if he is used correctly.

Whether the Rangers have been in the Atlantic Division, Patrick Division, or as far back as simply the East and West, teams in the Northeast have always employed toughness and more often than not, it was at the Rangers expense when an enforcer was absent. The ‘70s saw the Rangers dealing with the likes of the Big Bad Bruins and Broad Street Bullies, in the ‘80s it was an Islanders team with Clark Gillies, Denis Potvin, and Dave Langevin as well as a very tough Capitals defense anchored by Scott Stevens, Rod Langway, and later Kevin Hatcher and Al Iafrate by the early 90s. Having to presently deal with names like Clarkson, Konopka, Carcillo, and even cheap shot artists like Cooke (not to mention Chara and Lucic four times a year), having an enforcer isn’t as much an option as it is a necessity.  Even if he only sees 4-6 shifts a game, teams will think twice about taking liberties with Gaborik or running Lundqvist (that means you Jason Blake) if the 6’8’’ “Boogey Man” is creeping around.

Boogaard can be an invaluable momentum changer for both the regular season and especially playoffs. How many times during mid-December to late February have the Rangers sleepwalked through the first forty minutes of a game? A Boogaard hit or fight can change that. There have been several infamous moments in Rangers playoff history where a fight has single-handedly changed a game or series. Rangers fans should be familiar with Dave Schultz pummeling Dale Rolfe in 1974, and have better memories of Nick Fotiu chasing around the Flyers in their 1979 playoff meeting. How important was it when the 1981 team beat up the smaller Kings and gooned their way to the semifinals, or when George McPhee took on Rick Tochett in 1986 for that Cinderella run? Boogaard instantly gives the Rangers credible toughness and something an opposing coach will have to think about when making a lineup card.

There is no arguing that Sather overpaid for Boogaard.  But that is the nature of free agency.  The Rangers are a big market team who overspent by a few hundred thousand, yet essentially have unlimited financial resources. Fans should worry a lot more about secondary scoring and whether or not underachievers wasting valuable cap room like Redden, Avery, and even Boyle end up in Hartford than taking out their frustrations on the new, needed enforcer. Boogaard is still only 28 and in the prime of his career and will allow players like Callahan, Dubinsky, and even Girardi to concentrate more on their jobs than fisticuffs.  With carrying his salary and Brashear’s, the cap strapped Rangers will be forced during injuries or slumps to play their promising, younger options, rather than looking outside the organization.   One year from now Brashear, Eminger, and even Rissmiller will all be off the cap, the salary discussion won’t even be one, and some great team chemistry may have developed amongst that talented and hopefully thriving crop of youngsters.

The only danger of this signing lies in the broken promise from both Sather and head coach John Tortorella that more youth will be played. There’s no reason to play Boogaard every game. He is an asset that should be used only when needed and when teams lacking toughness or a true enforcer skate onto the Madison Square Garden ice, the purpose should be to develop younger players with greater potential whether they are Dale Weise, Mats Zuccarello-Aasen, or perhaps Evgeny Grachev or Derek Stepan.

So Rangers fans, enjoy the rest of your summer, cross your fingers that Sather finally did July justice, and get ready for a lot of Boooooooo chants as Madison Square Garden this fall…just hopefully for the right reason.

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Hi boys and girls, it’s Carp, off the fairways (um, roughs, out-of-bounds, lateral hazards, etc.) for a few minutes.

Haven’t been in touch too much with what’s going on here, but I know Mama has her eyes peeled.

Anyway, here’s the guest blogging schedule through the middle of the coming week. I’ll put up the end of the week sked over the weekend.

Saturday, July 24: Joekuh.
Sunday, July 25: Cynar.
Monday, July 26: Paul.
Tuesday, July 27: Josh Thomson, age 26.
Wednesday, July 28: CR9.

See youse all later.

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237 Comments

  1. great read.

    still the contract anyway u dissect it is awful period. for 4-5 mins a night at 1.6 mil hes stealing money.

    knowing him he will get suspended for blind side hits

  2. Good read, thank you White Plains. This one should prompt a few discussions, for sure.

  3. Good post. We definately overpaid but lets hope he works out better than Brashugger did.

  4. Joekuh - I made it outta Blog Training Camp! on

    Definitely a good read. I only started watching the team during ’94, so I don’t know much ranger history before that.

  5. Interesting and good post. The key phrase/question there is how Torts will use Boogard. If he actually gets some common sense and uses the player accordingly, it’s a decent deal, but if he plays him every game for only 2 minutes a game, then it’s a horrible deal.

    Oh, and good morning!

  6. Coach Beeblebrox on

    I don’t think it is a reach to assume that Gaborik had something to do with Boogaard being in NYC. And with that, probably came the question of whether or not Boogaard could actually play the game for a regular 4th line shift, unlike Brashear.

    Gaborik must have told them that Boogaard could handle it, so Totorella will undoubtedly give him every chance to play. It would not even shock me to see Boogaard used in ways he never was in Minnesota. Such as in front of the net on the PP.

    The biggest problem with Boogaard seems to be his health. He plays the game decent, he’s a great locker room guy, and everyone fears his wrath. But none of that means a darn thing if he’s in street clothes.

  7. Gift of GAB-orik (Any newbies to gang up on??) on

    Who isn’t overpaid these days? (rhetorical question)

    Lots of players on lots of teams are overpaid, or underachievers… so it’s not just us in a boat in the middle of the ocean.

    1 million, 1.3, 1.6, what’s the difference? I said it before, and i’ll say it again… if this keeps Gaborik in one piece, and Hank off his back and without a face full of snow… it’s money well spent.

    The first time Boogey knocks someone out(Carcillo anyone?) NOBODY will gripe about the contract. I promise.

  8. Tank The Season on

    Gaborik and Lundqvist probably asked to get Boogaard and I’m sure Tortorella was also behind it.

    He is probably the best tough guy since Stu Grimson. I loved that we got him provided his cap hit does not become an issue.

    The Rangers strategy may be to become tougher to play against than the other teams in the division who have infinitely more talent than we do. Problem is Brian Burke tried the same thing a d we all know how that worked out for him….

  9. Good morning all! Gabby, I’m definitely not overpaid. I would love a job where I only have to work 4 to 6 minutes every couple of days. And get paid for working out. Ahhhh.

  10. wicky (Crease Clearing Blog Goon) on

    nice post batman. kind of coincides with yesterdays post. Don’t undervalue the physical stuff at all especially with fighting being a part of our game.

    so tweet of the morning so far:

    MattBarnabyESPN
    Happy bday 2 my little girl!! 9 today!! Remember what I told u sweetie! If u don’t get married I will buy u a car and a cell phone!!I loveu

    also I guess the rangers let go of their head European scout:

    SNYRangersblog
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  11. Gift of GAB-orik (Any newbies to gang up on??) on

    Mama,

    yea it would be nice to collect a fat check for 4 minutes a day, and free access to the best gyms around!!

    ::sigh::

    Pro athletes i don’t think really ever appreciate how good they have it.

  12. the curious thing I noticed about Boogaard is that he doesn’t drop the gloves as often as you would think.

    He’s had 28 fighting majors over the past 3 years. In comparison, Prust had 25 just last season.

  13. Great post! .. Like the boogy man .. Hopefully he provides that umphh the blueshirts need to bully their way into winning games and get some grit.Averys a big part of this as well I think. Like he said, one fight or one hit can change the game and that’s true. Get some grit and confidence and let gabby do his thing along with secondary scoring, we will be fun to watch.

  14. wicky (Crease Clearing Blog Goon) on

    mama
    as ILB would say….great minds!!

    later, off to work!!!!

  15. Batman, thanks for a thoughtful post. Good to read something where the pov is not one long critical rant. Whether we overpaid for Boogaard remains to be seen. If he can provide some security for our skill players he’ll be worth every penny. He may be overpaid in relation to other players of his ilk but he is in his prime and the cream of the crop. Using his huge body as an immovable screen on the PP is an idea worth trying.

  16. Excellent job Batman. The fact that DB only had 9 fights last season speaks to just how intimidating his ice presence must have been. Not too many people wanted to mess with him. Jacques Lemaire more or less said DB could be dominant without doing too much, but just by being out there.

    The fact that each one of Sather’s other deals this off season has been financially responsible suggests that there was competitive bidding for DB and Slats had to adjust his offer to meet market conditions. It wasn’t, as many have implied, reckless overpayment.

  17. lowell
    the oilers offered him more money a year for 4 years. he came to ny and took less money.

  18. Oleo

    No one’s afraid to fight Prust. Everyone with half a brain is afraid of Boogaard. Good to have both of them.

  19. If people are actually afraid of Boogard, this is good for me.

    The rangers have had fighters, but no one who inspired fear in their opponents.

    Colton Orr might be a great fighter — but no one ever didn’t do something because he was on the ice. You could slew foot drury – and he’d go fight you’re fighter — Ooohhh.

    We need to fight fire with fire. Bring on the goon!

  20. I still think if Brashear is not traded he should stay up with the team. Obviously I would only play him against Philadelphia and when Boogaard is banged up and leave him as a healthy scratch for pretty much the majority of the games.

    you think Carcillo and company even breath on Lundqvist or Gaborik with a 4th line of Boogaard-Prust-Brashear out there. I know Brashear is pretty much washed up but at this point the cap hit is still there so no reason to waste a spot in HFD…

  21. An MSG Networks official confirmed to Newsday a published report that Islanders TV analyst Billy Jaffe’s contract would not be renewed and released the following statement:
    “MSG wishes Billy luck in future endeavors. The network will name a new Islanders TV analyst in the near future.”
    Jaffe, who worked in the booth with veteran play-by-play man Howie Rose, joined the MSG broadcast as Islanders TV analyst in 2006 and won a New York Emmy in 2008 for his work on MSG Plus. He also formerly worked as an analyst for the Atlanta Thrashers.

    I think he’s better than Joe M.

  22. Jaffe is way better than Joe M.
    In fact, Jaffe is one of the better Color guys.
    Can we trade Micheletti?

  23. ThisYearsModel on

    First, when JD left Dave Maloney should have gotten the job. I would love to see Micheletti go back to the Islanders broadcasts. Jaffe is a lot beter than him.

  24. How about a full trade of broadcasting teams? Rosen and Joe M for Howie and Jaffe. You know Howie would LOVE to come back to work for the Rangers.

  25. Maloney is too opinionated to be the full time TV analyst (in all honesty). Dolan would flip out. This is a guy who fired a legend in Marv Albert for being too critical.

  26. TheREALMikeyNJ on

    PLEASE send Joe M to the Isles so we dont have to hear his horrible commentary anymore!!

    I would take Maloney or Jaffe in a heartbeat over that idiot

  27. Joekuh - I made it outta Blog Training Camp! on

    How about we send Joe “Twineminder” Micheletti to Hartford?

  28. Great post WPB. Agree wholeheartedly. Overpaying to fill a DIRE need is OK if he delivers the goods,Namely prevent our best player from being run with impunity, & actually make it uncomfortable for other teams to play against us.
    Don’t know how many times I screamed at the TV (thanks Center Ice) for our blueshirt sissies to actually protect Hank. I was deathly afraid one game he would have a meltdown from being so pissed at his alleged teammates & simply skate off the ice, never to be seen again.
    It’s OK to overpay for a fine meal once in awhile, if it is at least really good, not so much if it is mediocre or sucks,like certain unnamed cap-crippling Rangers.

  29. Joe M’s cap hit still counts against us in Hartford, though, because he’s over 35. He has magnificent forearms for a broadcaster though.

    And Rosen is halfway through a front-loaded 50-year contract. So his cap hit is higher than his salary, making him easy to trade to a team like the Isles.

  30. ‘Overpaying to fill a DIRE need is OK if he delivers the goods,Namely prevent our best player from being run with impunity, & actually make it uncomfortable for other teams to play against us”

    Booger wont stop anything. He adds absolutely nothing to this team other than fighting. News flash, fighting doesn’t put the puck in the net.

    Wasted money. Hank will still get run, and Gabby will still get run.

    I’d rather have Shelley, but the dog brash*t ugly piece of carcillo never wanted to be a Ranger.

  31. It’s sad that every summer, Rangers fans are forced to imagine ways that the newest 4th liners will guarantee some success on the ice. This year Sather thinks if he gets a famous brawler, he will somehow distract the fans from the fact that only one player on the team can score goals?

  32. well done Batman!

    Orr, better teams begin with better analysts! ;-) :-) baby steps my friend, baby steps

  33. You said it, ORR. He never wanted to be a Ranger. I don’t care who the player is, if he doesn’t want to wear our uniform- he is an enemy. He went to the Flyers, mind you. No love lost.

    And let’s put that overpaying issue to rest. He is overpaid (in our minds) around $300K. Give me a break. I can mention a few more players on this team who are really overpaid. I’m sure you know the names. And if it’s true that he took less money to sign with the Rangers(and it surely appears to be the case)- welcome aboard!

  34. Dreary is overpaid, but at least he can surprise you with a couple of goals, some blocked shots, and a few overly dramatic falls to the ice.

    Dredden is overpaid, but at least if he snorts enough cocaine he’ll be able to get the cocaine strength like in the final scene of Scarface. Then *he* can be our crease clearing defensemen. I can see it now, Dredden shoving everyone out of the crease, saying “say hello to my little brain”

    Blowzival is just overpaid and useless.

  35. MSG must not like good hockey commentators if they chose to let Jaffe walk.

    When does Chico Resch’s contract expire?

  36. Hey, “guest bloggers schmuck”- how big is your drop down list?
    And go get your shine box! Any color preference?

  37. ilb2001
    July 23rd, 2010 at 1:50 pm
    Hey, “guest bloggers schmuck”- how big is your drop down list?
    And go get your shine box! Any color preference

    wasn’t me or what or huh.

    apology accepted in advance

    i still want dubinsky traded

  38. Izzy Mandlebaum on

    Don’t think for one minute that there will be more that 1 or at MOST 2 new young prospects on opening night. Sather has yet to go through the training camp waivers, free agent cast offs, chronic injured, and past their prime and other hangers-on that pop up between now and end of training camp.

    These guys are the equivalent of a scratch and dent sale. Sather has shown that he can never pass these up, no more than my mother would pass up a sign that said “Yard Sale” even if the entire sale was one rickety card table with a broken set of dishes on it. She would HAVE to get out and look.

    It’s in Sather’s blood. He’ll get 2 or 3 derelicts and play them 10-20 games into the season before he ever brings up one of his own yutes from Hartford. He keeps his drafted players in the freezer like some emergency sperm bank, I don’t understand the concept behind it, but he does it EVERY year. That’s why we perpetually field a team that is over-loaded with 3rd and 4th line type players.

    Dale Weise, Mats Zuccarello-Aasen, Evgeny Grachev Derek Stepan? Sorry, “needs more seasoning” in Hartford… EVERY year. Count on it.

    Where’s Olga? Oh, never mind, I’ll do it myself…

    Fire Sather!

  39. joe mich and redden to isles for jaffe . isles need to get to cap floor.

    how awesome would that be

    one can only dream

  40. nose picker- what makes you think I was talking about you? Or to you, for that matter? But now since you mentioned it…I suppose we all have our insecurities.

    No, Carp, we shouldn’t.

  41. wicky (Crease Clearing Blog Goon) on

    so had to take an early lunch.

    ILB
    love the shine box bro!!

    Orr
    I know you are not a fan of enforcers, and I haven’t seen boogaard play alot, he seems to pretty good from what i’ve seen on you tube. The one thing that sticks out to me about him the most is he made the TSN top hitters list. I can’t remember the last time I have seen a true enforcer make a “top hitters list”. If he can deliver some quality checks, then it really is a great signing. Either way he is a ranger now and has done nothing to warrant me not wanting him, so GO BOOGEY MAN!!!

    This him being overpaid thing is ridiculous, if he is it is only by 300k or 400k. Considering we just paid girardi about 1 mil more than he is worth and we all know the way overpaid rozy and redden, not to mention drury (i’ll name names). At least when you sign physical guys, you get the same effort all the time as opposed to guys that play a softer game, you never know if you will ever get your money’s worth!

  42. wicky (Crease Clearing Blog Goon) on

    sorry, should have read that play just an offencive game, not play a softer game!!

  43. how bout a pink shoe shine box for nose picker, er, guest bloggers stink?

    Who doesn’t like pink! What a great color!

  44. wicky (Crease Clearing Blog Goon) on

    i vote negative on the shutdown, but it is just my opinion!!

    I guess I still do not understand the joe m hate. I really do not think he does that bad of a job. He is not JD, so don’t get me wrong and JD isn’t here any more, so considering what most other team announcers sound like, I’ll happily take Joe M.

    Now fi we could trade jaffe for gianone, you might be on to something!

  45. i’ll try without being insulting to joe m…

    My problem with Joe M is that he is NOT a Rangers fan. He does a halfway decent job analyzing, but he is more concerned with “sucking up to” other teams than “sucking up to” the team that pays his paycheck.

    JD and Sam Rosen were both Rangers fans. Even so, they also “suck up to” other teams. Only difference with them and Joe M is Joe M is not a Rangers fan. He could not care less about the success of the Rangers.

  46. And no, Im not necessarily asking for homer commentators – like Jerry Remy, Don Orsillo, Tommy Heinsohn, Jack Edwards, Andy Brickley, Jim Nantz – although I would love them.

    I would just love it if our commentators – Michael Kay, Joe M, Mike Breen – actually cared about the success of the team they cover, a la Walt Clyde Frazier!

  47. ilb – i thought you meant me since i was the one who admitted having a drop down list.

    for the record guest bloggers at 1:37 was not me

    is dubinsky traded yet

  48. nose picker – what is your real handle on here? I’d like to know who actually had the audacity and the lack of integrity to cheer on the Celtics just to spite an online character, CR9.

  49. agree with wicky on the announcers. on Boogard I disagree about the playoffs. I doubt he will even be dressed for most playoff games, if there are any. he is not a mobile, quick skater and does not fit the Torts all-out forecheck system that requires lots of skating

    he has spent his career mostly in Minny playing in Lemaire’s hangback trap system.

    I think he was brought here mostly to be Gaborik’s buddy, since his other Minny buddy Voros is now gone

  50. Izzy- maybe hockey IS different here? This year? You never know, he’s got to be getting a little senile soon…

    CR9- I don’t know if you remember, but during their April trip to Florida, JoeM called Girardi and Staal the best shut down D-pair in the league. If that isn’t a pure definition of “homer”, I don’t know what is. Unfortunately that also is a definition of some other issues, but that’s a separate conversation.

  51. At least Boogard comes with a built-in name. And lots of negative-type nicknames we can come up when he does something we don’t like/thinks is really dumb.

    I too, vote nay on shutting down.

  52. i use nose picker – putting huh and what in mothballs for now. so you can call me nose picker or nose or picker. just don’t call me collect or late for dinner.

  53. Joe and Sam may be homers, but there are a LOT worse homers in the league, so I’ll take what I got. At least they put in some objectivity to the team. Not a lot, but it’s something.

    Maloney’s rants at the end of the season cracked me up. Mainly because they were truthful and you could tell he cared. Bobby O’s the other night reminded me of them.

  54. Izzy Mandlebaum on

    ilb- Sather’s been senile since 2001. I’m waiting for the final stages of Alzheimer’s to kick in… maybe he’ll forget to show up for work one day. Or forget he’s GM of the Rangers.

  55. ilb

    I don’t remember that, but I take your word for it. I also think that’s absurd, but he only said it one time, right?

    I’ll leave it at this: Three things that have a lot to do with sports: officials, luck, injuries. Those 3 things are harped on repeatedly game in and game out by Heinsohn, Remy, Orsillo, Nantz, and Edwards. But the Rangers guys dont care to make excuses for or attribute the failure of the Rangers to any of those 3 things.

    Like I’ve said before, I was born to be a Boston fan – like Edwards, etc. – but I gravitated towards the class and greatness of New York!

    Have a great day all! Glad to see Linda back!

  56. Joekuh - I made it outta Blog Training Camp! on

    Gracias, Mama! But the blogfather heard my request.

  57. Izzy

    how many rookies did the Rangers have to start the season last year?

    Anisimov, Del Zotto, Gilroy. That would be three…so if the Rangers took 3 rookies north, why is 2 this season not happening???

  58. bull dog line on

    WPB,
    good post, but I think you overate the value of the goon in today’s NHL. the era’s you mentioned most of, if not all of the goons could play. today’s guys really can’t play a lick. Boogard falls into that group. he will have no effect on any of the games, much like Orr before him. as far as the playoffs go, chances are he won’t even dress. you don’t need those guys during the playoffs. team toughness is needed in the playoffs.

  59. Boogard is unlikely to play during the playoffs, agree.
    But can someone, please, explain the team toughness concept to me? Let’s just assume for a second that our team consists of 12 Gaboriks and 6 Rozsivals. You can preach “team toughness” to such a team all year long, it’s just not going to happen. The point is, you still need guys who are willing AND can provide toughness.

  60. bull dog line on

    if you have 12 Gaboriks, and 6 rosiivals, you have no team team toughness. adding 1 boogard is not going to change that.

  61. I beg to differ, bull dog. In that specific, unrealistic case scenario, adding him would make Gab-Rozi team tougher by infinity.

    My point was that in order to have that elusive “team toughness” you need to have actual players to fit the bill. Optimally- at least one player per line who can jump in if need to. Plus at least one D-man who can protect every third shift. Do not underestimate what those tough guys (Carcillo, Ashem, Lappi etc)meant for the Flyers during their run.

  62. ThisYearsModel on

    The first time Boogaard takes a tough guy penalty, Tortorella ill bench him for a week. The Rangers will never be team tough unless Torts ceases to have them worried more about taking penalties than sticking up for each other.

  63. Toughness is all well and good, but if you don’t score, then it means nada. See the Maple Leafs from this past season.

    And on the note, it’s nearly 5 o’clock on a Friday so I am outta here.

  64. I was in the pool! on

    I remember that epic fight in 86 (back in the last century).
    Mcphee and Tocchet. I’ve never seen the Rangers bench so into it! That fight brought the Rangers closer together imo.

  65. bull dog line on

    you mention players from the Flyers who can play, so therefore the team is tougher. Boogard can’t play. he adds nothing to the team toughness concept. can he fight, sure he can fight. but to me that’s not toughness, its just fighting. you need players who are tough, and can play the game.

  66. ilb – But those three Flyers can all, to a varying degree, play the game. How much involvement did Riley Cote have in the playoffs? And how pleased were the Rangers when Cote got back in the lineup to play two shifts in that late regular season game after he’d sat for about 30 games?

  67. we can’t get rid of Joe M…he has full NMC!

    Good post, Batman.

    Even though Booger is big and scary, when it comes to score sheet, he is small and useless… whoo hoo he makes people afraid of him…and then?

  68. Doodie Machetto on

    Also, I don’t think anyone is afraid of him anymore since he stopped fighting in the second half of last year.

  69. Players are smart enough to not fight someone like Booger, but they’re smart enough to go after anyone they want and force Booger into taking a retalitory penalty, and sit in the box for 2-4 minutes.

    Then we give up a goal, and we lose the game, and blah, blah, blah.

    That’s Rangers hockey these days.

  70. Gift of GAB-orik (Any newbies to gang up on??) on

    I have to address something we discussed yesterday in regards to Cross Check Charlie’s comment that Cindy was the best offensive player in the league.

    Cross Check,

    How, after i posted all those stats, can you still seriously say Cindy is better than Ovie? For you to say he’s a better offensive player, you would think the numbers would back it. They don’t. Ovie’s numbers DESTROY Cindy’s.
    Please offer me some reason or justification to your argument. Seriously. Please. I’m curious.

  71. Gift of GAB-orik (Any newbies to gang up on??) on

    And don’t talk to me about assists… that’s the most overrated stat in hockey.

  72. Gift of GAB-orik (Any newbies to gang up on??) on

    you can pass all you want, THE OTHER GUY still has to score.

  73. Gab, not for nothing, but Crybaby doesn’t have the kind of help OV has.

    They can both create for themselves, but OV has Backstrom setting him up, and Semin, etc. Crybaby has never really had those kinds of linemates. All he’s had were Guerin, Kunitz, Satan, etc. Not that impressive.

    Also, in the 07-08, 08-09 season, injuries were a setback for him.

    I don’t want to defend the little brash*t.

  74. I like the suggestion that Boogard will somehow affect the way Jason Blake plays. Boogard couldn’t get near Blake to hit him if Blake was limited to skating on one foot

  75. who cares if Boogaard is overpaid. the difference between him and a comparable player on an open market is negligible.

    so he gets paid 600K dollars more than Colton Orr…whoopdy freakin do. The day Boogaard’s contract prevents them from affording another player is the day Wade Redden win’s the heisman trophy.

  76. The White Plains Batman-

    Skipping ahead without yet reading responses.

    Well written and I respect your opinion. But I respectfully disagree.
    (Great job by all guest bloggers as well.)

    For starters this is not the 70’s, 80’s or even the 90’s.

    Cheapshots? The right kind of players deal with it, work through it, concern themselves with the task at hand. (that’s being hockey tough)
    There is a line though, when it’s crossed I want players that respond naturally and instinctively, whether it be a misdeed done to a teammate or themselves.

    A big fight may inspire teamnates if they are hardy competitors otherwise they will cower.
    I’ve said it time and again, one person cannot be tough for whole team.

    Regarding Boogaard, we agree he’s overpaid. I’ll admit I haven’t seen much of him. If he can be semi-defensively sound and throw the the body, well that’s a plus.
    But a 48 games average over last 4 years. with last year being the 4 year high at 6 min/gm. Pssbbt.

    I guess my point is, the enforcer, while entertaining is antiquated.

  77. oleosmirf,
    even if it’s true that $600k won’t prevent the team from signing a player [I think it very well could. 600k is a whole prospect], the larger issue is that the consistent overpayment of some players adds up. $600k extra for enforcer 1, $400k for enforcer 2, $1M more than anyone else would bid for W.R., etc. leaves the team with much less maneuverability to sign players.

  78. If you people were nicer you’d know what I know right now.

    Maybe “Mamma” can find out using her special powers!

    hahahahaha……

  79. Rod Gilbert –
    I thought you were warned about the Cooties you could catch here.!?

  80. Darren

    that is true but the 2 ridiculous ones in Drury and Redden and one almost as bad in Rozsival is what eats up cap room.

    UFAs on multi year deals will always be overpaid but cheap deals 1 year deals for veterans like Prospal and young controllable players help offset the fact that you have to overpay to get they guy you want on an open market.

  81. ZzZz NYR ZzZz "In Tarp we Crust !!! " … says Greg L. on

    I LOVE YOUUUUUUUUUU RANGERS!!!!!!!!!!! BTW good post Batman!!!!

  82. ZzZz NYR ZzZz "In Tarp we Crust !!! " … says Greg L. on

    YO Rod , you can come back here but next time you lay off Momma or I’ll give you the WRATH !!!!

  83. “young controllable players” (i.e. RFA’s) – I’d resent that term if I was a YCP. :P

  84. You know who should get the extra 600k??

    *THE* *FANS*!!!

    The people that sit through garbage NYR lifeless hockey. Give me a chunk of that dough, and I’ll be telling you all how happy I am with these losers.

  85. wicky (Crease Clearing Blog Goon) on

    I agree with ilb on this team toughness concept. What I am a little befuddled over is many of you say team toughness is important, but when it comes to adding guys that bring it or adding guys that can score and bring toughness, everyone is like no not that guy he sucks.

  86. Can anyone please tell me where I can find a list of Stanley Cup winning teams along with the stanley cup winning captains of those teams? year by year

    Thanks

  87. wicky (Crease Clearing Blog Goon) on

    I have a question for all of you, what is your definition of a “soft” player?? When I say some players are soft, it seems like many of you get all worked up. Maybe (probably more than likely) we have different view of what a soft player is.

  88. Olga Folkyerself on

    Rod G- Beware. I can read minds. I know what you’re thinking at any time… I know what you’re thinking right now.

    You’re thinking- “Olga can’t read minds…” Aren’t you?

    See…

  89. CR9 – I’m probably ruining Rod’s scoop here, but my sources tell me there are a couple of hot new websites called Google and Wikipedia that could help you.

    wicky – I’d say anyone who can skate faster than Brendan Witt is soft.

  90. wicky

    was that sarcastic?

    it’s not daunting to find list of stanley cup winning teams, but it is difficult to find the captains to go along with it.

    i’ve tried nhl.com, maybe im just not a good enough researcher!

  91. LW3H

    Thanks for the sarcasm. I see you still enjoy acting like a d bag. Ive tried searching for 30 minutes on Google but to no avail. Maybe we can let bygones be bygones. I’ve changed the CR9 personality on here for the betterment of other posters, you included.

  92. Olga Folkyerself on

    Wicky, I can only give you some examples of what I consider “soft”.

    A player that gets continuously knocked off the puck. A player that skates in the middle ice to avoid the corners because of the rough play. A player that avoids the crease religiously. A guy that looks for the smallest opposing player in a scrum.

  93. wicky (Crease Clearing Blog Goon) on

    I agree, but hockey isn’t just goals and assists and being positionally sound. It is about emotion, hitting people hard, and standing up for your teammates.

  94. Thanks Orr. That would’ve been too much work. I actually found a user-made list somewhere. But I appreciate your help!

  95. Can’t verify the accuracy

    Canadiens 76,77,78,79 – Yvan Cournoyer
    Islanders 80- Clark Gillies
    Islanders 81,82,83- Denis Potvin
    Oilers 84 & 85- Gretzky
    Canadiens 86- Bob Gainey
    Oilers 87 & 88- Wayne Gretzky
    Flames in 89- L. MacDonald
    Oilers 90- Mark Messier
    Penguins 91& 92 – Mario Lemieux
    Canadiens 93- Guy Carbonneau
    Rangers 94- Mark Messier
    Devils 95- Scott Stevens
    Avalanche 96- Joe Sakic
    Red Wings 97&98 – Steve Yzerman
    Stars 99- Derrian Hatcher
    Devils 00- Scott Stevens
    Avalanche 01- Joe Sakic
    Redwings 02- Steve Yzerman
    Devils 03- Stevens
    Tampa Bay 04- Andreychuk
    05 NONE
    Hurricanes 06- Rob Brind’amour

  96. wicky (Crease Clearing Blog Goon) on

    dde
    I didn’t mean me necessarily, but I have seen guys like colby armstrong and ryan malone more recently mentioned and most people were like no way. It just seems odd to me, but i could be incorrect here.

    LW
    funny.

    CR9
    I was being serious about the captains.

  97. So, extremely mild sarcasm with no malice intended at all is “acting like a d bag”? Wasn’t hysterical over-reaction part of the old persona too?

  98. Olga Folkyerself on

    “Rangers 2011- Christopher “Pizza Hot” Drury?”

    ilb- stop hogging the dope, pass it on, Brother!

  99. I didnt think so, wicky. Just checking.

    My apologies, LW3H. Took malice out of that, as you have had a problem with me in the past. Good luck to ‘Pool this coming season.

  100. Olga Folkyerself on

    Thanks, ilb! Phuewwwt, Phuewwwt, Phuewwwt, cough, cough, hack, Hunhgh. Ack! S’Great!

    I think it’s out…

  101. Olga Folkyerself on

    Patrick Kane’s Cup winning goal. As dramatic as “Matteau, Matteau, Matteau”.

    Discuss.

  102. Hugo Folkyerself on

    Olga, what did I tell you about starting trouble? You’re just a guest here now…

  103. I smell a big party. Too bad I can’t join you. Good night.

    And Olga-not even close.

  104. Olga Folkyerself on

    The drama in Kane’s goal was that for a few seconds, he was the only one in the building (the whole world) that knew that Chicago had won the Stanley Cup. Matteau’s great goal got more emphasis from the booth, A great call by the way…

  105. Hugo Folkyerself on

    Olga, you’re talking to Ranger fans, y’know. How do you expect to win this?

    It was a great goal though…

  106. Of course the Kane goal was more dramatic than the Matteau goal.

    One was in double OT of the Conference Finals, the other was in OT in the Cup Finals, which turned out to be the Cup winning goal.

    Maybe only Greg would say otherwise.

  107. What the hell – I see no problem swinging the Cup that way for a fellow bonehead.
    I kid I kid.
    I loosely know the possessor of the Cup. But I’m also friends with a friend of the ‘Cup possessor’.
    My chances of touching the Cup are the same as the Rangers.

    But don’t underestimate my tenacity.

  108. Olga Folkyerself on

    ORR! I take back half the things I ever said about you! (Half, anyway:) )

    From a Chicago hockey fan’s perspective, Kane’s goal was truly awesome! (So was Matteau’s, I’m not denigrating that goal) but the circumstances, and Kane’s reaction, throwing off his gloves, his stick, etc. He knew, and the rest of the place didn’t. Not fans, goal judge, teammates, announcers, referees, No one!

  109. Olga Folkyerself on

    Been there Chuck. And when I get tired of celebrating a Stanley Cup win, I come back here to the Rangers Blog. Sort of puts Sather right into perspective, doesn’t it?

  110. Why would I go to a blog full of Hawks fans??

    I’d much rather stay here and read everyone whine aboot Sather, and the bad contracts, instead of go there and read their whining aboot the cap situation.

    Bastards still have Kane, Toes, Sharp, Seabrook, and Keith and a Cup! I’m jealous!

  111. Olga Folkyerself on

    I’m not anti-Rangers. I’m anti-Sather. When that piece of carcillo is gone from NY, then the Rangers can become the Stanley Cup Champions they should be. Until Sather is gone, I’m going with my backup team, Chicago.

  112. Olga Folkyerself on

    Chuck- Have fun with Sather for the next decade or so. At least the Black Hawks bandwagon has something to celebrate. A Stanley Cup, and maybe more…

  113. Umm…Chuck, I don’t know if you know this, but the Hawks are not my backup bandwagon team.

    The LA Kings are :D

    I’m a big Patrick Kane fan, and I chose to spend $200 or less on a USA Kane jersey over a useless NYR Gabby jersey. Big fuggin deal, so peggy sue me!

  114. Olga,

    That is a weak argument. Their prior GM f’d up so bad that they had to tear their team apart. I despise Sather as much or probably more than just about anyone, but this team means more to me than just wins and losses. You’re a front runner, plain and simple.

  115. “I despise Sather as much or probably more than just about anyone”

    All Olga does is talk aboot Slats. He probably says “Sather” in his sleep. You can only despise him more if you’re willing to kill him.

    And I don’t think anyone’s a front runner for wanting a Western Conference team to do good. If it were the Pens or Craps, it would be a little different.

    It’s not like NYR is winning the Cup anytime soon.

  116. Someone asked about homegrown stars the other day.

    Tony Amonte had over 400 career goals. Came right out of BU, didn’t go trough the Rangers system per se but was a Rangers draft pick.

    Traded after 72 games in the 93-94 season. For for Stéphane Matteau and Brian Noonan. What if?

    Would we have won anyways? What do youse guys see as the purpose of this trade?

    Do youse guys think that some players are more suited for the playoff grind?

    He averaged nearly 38 goals over the next 6 seasons. Thoughts?

  117. LMAO, Chuck!

    You don’t skip my posts. Everyone says that, yet they respond, always. If I had a dollar for everytime I read that someone is “skipping my posts”, I’d be able to buy a lot of people a sense of humor, which is desperately needed around here.

  118. How could you not have rooted for the Hawks? Original Six team, long time loser, and fun as hell to watch with their talent.

  119. Olga Folkyerself on

    It wasn’t the Hawks prior GM. It was their brain-dead former owner Wirtz. His son brought the team from dead last to Stanley Cup in less than 4 years. It can be done. Other teams have gone from dead last to Stanley Cup during Sather’s tenure in NY. Sather can’t even get a team into the conference finals after 10 years at the helm.

    I love the team. I love the Rangers. Sather is KILLING them. If you despise Sather as much as you say you do, then the last ten years must be killing you too. Call me all the names you want. I’m in exile. When Sather is gone, I’ll be back, And the Rangers will win. But not before…

  120. “How could you not have rooted for the Hawks? Original Six team, long time loser, and fun as hell to watch with their talent”

    Exactly. If the Adam Foote was on the other shoe, I’m sure a whiny Hawk fan would be crying that a few Hawks fans were rooting for the Rangers.

  121. Hey guys…I know something you don’t!

    Really!

    I swear!

    You don’t believe me??

    I do goddamnit!

    If I didn’t know what I know, would I say that I know something you don’t know?! You know what I mean?

  122. ‘Adam Foote was on the other shoe’

    I’m still processing that one , but I like it lol

  123. Orr,
    I said usually. You’re one of three people posting tonight, so I read some of your posts.

    Olga,
    Prior owner was already dead, it was Tallon that screwed the pooch. Hawks won’t sniff the cup next year.

    dd,
    I’m not hating on the Hawks, just not jumping on the wagon.

  124. 3CP – I know exactly what your saying- believe it or not
    how’s school going?

  125. Olga Folkyerself on

    Amonte and Weight. The sacrificial lambs that got the Rangers a Stanley Cup. No one will ever say the trades were bad, because we won the Cup in ’94. What Keenan wanted, Keenan got.

    Would we have won anyways? Hard to say. There would be no “Matteau,Matteau,Matteau,” to win two playoff games in overtime against NJ. It cost us some great young talent, but no one will trade the Cup to have them back. It’s that simple…

  126. Olga Folkyerself on

    “Hawks won’t sniff the cup next year.”

    And yet, a Cup win this year is still a Cup win. Maybe next year. Maybe not. Rangers won’t sniff the cup next year. Sather is still running the team.

  127. Chuck – didn’t suggest you were – if you’re true blue I got no problem with you :)

  128. “You’re not that important. Get over yourself”

    I don’t think I am. But, everyone seems to pretend to skip my posts, but they always respond to me. Salty Dupuis leads that pack. It’s a proven fact.

    ““Hawks won’t sniff the cup next year”

    The Hawks have more of a chance to win the Cup than NYR does.

  129. Olga Folkyerself on

    Chuck- if you hate Sather we cannot be that far apart in philosophy.

    In addition to the New York Rangers, I have also liked the Black Hawks since Tony Esposito, Bobby Hull and Stan Mikita, so bandwagon doesn’t really apply to me. Old man Wirtz was worse than Dolan is today. Dolan is only clueless, he’s a basketball fan. That’s why he leaves Sather in charge of Hockey operations. Now I think Sather is clueless too. HE’S the one that should know better. Tallon, for all his faults, put a Cup team together, Sather hasn’t, and can’t.

    FIRE SATHER!

  130. And what about poor Mike Gartner 19 seasons 700 + goals and no Cup

    traded with 28 goals after 71 games for Glenn Anderson, 93-94 season

  131. Hugo Folkyerself on

    Olga has no problem with authority, she just wants to get rid of whoever is in charge…

  132. Hawks have their core players, and that’s enough to win the Cup.

    Who did the Pens win the Cup with? Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Fluery, Gonchar, and that’s pretty much it. Kunitz, and Guerin, Letang were decent, and the rest were 3rd liners pretty much.

    Hawks have Kane, Toes, Sharp, Bolland, Hossa, Seabrook, Keith, Hjalmarsson, and they’ll get Niemi locked up. That’s enough to win the Cup.

  133. Olga,

    I agree that Wirtz was worse than Dolan. The guy blacked out home games if they weren’t a sell out, he was a tool. The problem with Dolan is that he was handed the Rangers and Knicks by his old man in an effort to keep him away from the aspects of the family business that are more profitable. I hate the direction of the Rangers under the Dolan/Sather regime, but I will always root for the front of the sweater. So to your point, our philosophies aren’t that different, and if you were around when Mikita, Hull and Esposito were playing, I’m glad that you got to see the Hawks win the Cup.

  134. Olga Folkyerself on

    I always liked Mike Gartner as a Ranger. A scoring machine. He was another Keenan casualty. He was better that Glenn Anderson, that’s for sure. I think he was too religious for Messier and Keenan. So he had to go…

  135. I can’t do it. I’ve done it too much in the past, but they molested my confidence.

    All I care aboot is the prospects. I can’t take this team seriously until they get rid of the bad contracts and the retarded puppet master.

    And NO Messier!!!

  136. Gartner for Anderson was a horrible trade. It had Mess written all over it, and that’s one of the reasons I don’t think he would make a good GM.

  137. Olga Folkyerself on

    I don’t want Messier anywhere hear the Rangers. Sather’s clone. Never forgave him for going to Vancouver. Worthless when they brought him back, too. It was OK to retire his jersey, but they should have had him stuffed, and put out in the lobby at MSG.

  138. ZzZz NYR ZzZz "In Tarp we Crust !!! " … says Greg L. on

    Alright , Enough of this Carp!!!!

    Chicago’s goal to clinch the cup was a classic, yes. Better then Matteauuuu Matteauuuu Matteauuuuu????? NOW I WANNA PUKE!!! Kane celebrating over ( 1 person) is not as dramatic as Mark Messier jumping up and down with over 20 ,000 people cheering …thats the shizzel!!! The goal Matteauuuu scored was soooooo good , it made a average player into a hero. A bloody Firetrucking HERO!!!

    Olga , If you hated yer father as a kid , would you leave home and not take care of your younger sisters and brothers?
    You see what Im saying? Im serious. NyR’s need US both!!!All of us!!! We need to unite!!! Just because the guy runnning it is an azzhole ,don’t mean ya ditch out on yer whole familly ( sob) , Its all about loyalty ….Its all we got.

  139. ZzZz NYR ZzZz "In Tarp we Crust !!! " … says Greg L. on

    Olga , who cares if YOU don’t want Messier anywhere near the Rangers. We really don’t want you ’round them either then. Least Messier cares . You are a classic ” Hater of authority” you probally hated your teachers and now hate yer boss. Your spouse pizzes you off and you hate when the traffic lights stay red. You spilled your coffee and hit yer head on the cupboard. You get irritated when yer mail is late. Your a classic whinner. Im a winner ,your a whinner . See the difference? Orr , doesn’t know Carp , if yer agreeing with him then maybe you should rethink yer thoughts. ORR is a young spoiled kid. He eats when ever he wants , has unlimited internet and a cell phone . His parents dont buy him everything so he gets a little pizzy ’round here. Orr doesn’t understand what Messier brings to the table. I understand and wont argue a mute point . Mark Messier will take over and I’ll LOVE IT!!!! HAHAHAHAHAAA!!! I love this team more and more each day ( is that even possible?)

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