Difference between hockey and hoops

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In the fallout of the LeBron clown show:

1) Maybe now Knicks fans won’t cheer him when he comes to MSG and beats the living tar out of their team. You would never see hockey fans do something like that. Oh, they might cheer a Messier or a Leetch or an Eddie Giacomin when he returns as an opponent, but once the game starts those guys are the enemy.

And MSG’s hockey fans have always treated the greatest players in the game as villains. People who argue for balanced schedule say fans want to see the great players. Yeah, well, I remember many nights when Mario Lemieux was scratched because of various ailments, and the Rangers fans would cheer the announcement. You guys already have a great dislike (putting it mildly) for Sidney Crosby, and you quickly developed one with Alex Ovechkin the last time the Rangers were in the playoffs.

You would not cheer an opponent because of his greatness, as Knicks fans do with LeBron, Kobe Bryant, in the past Michael Jordan, as they’re slapping up 40 or 50 in your face.

I think that now changes with LeBron. I think he gets booed roundly in New York next time he comes in. And I think he might need extra security in Cleveland.

2) He said “Organ-eye-zation” like a hockey player last night. Hah.

3) I like the way all the ESPN basketball experts all of a sudden had sources telling them it was Miami, after Steven Smith broke the story that LeBron would be going to Miami with Wade and Bosh. Now it was the “Decision” show and all of a sudden, their hosts all had sources saying Miami, although none of them would come right out and say “He’s going to Miami.”

4) The Heat web site, hours after the announcement, still didn’t have a word on LeBron’s decision. It had a story in which they were close to signing Wade and Bosh. Are you kidding me? And this morning, still no story. Just two one-paragraph statements from Pat Riley and Wade.

5) Rangers fans should be happy that LeBron didn’t come to the Garden. Otherwise your boys would forever be on MSG-Plus or MSG-4 or whatever on nights when the Knicks were playing.

6) This can’t possibly be good for the Sunrise Panthers.

7) How is it that the biggest city in the world can’t come up with better celeb/fans than Spike? Worse, how is it that the Garden decided Isiah Thomas would be a good guy to help in the LeBron chase? What, Bryan Trottier and John Muckler weren’t available?

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  1. I read that whole thing while eating a chocolate muffin and taking a gulp of some Gatorade, while stopping to think of Knicks fans booing LeBron, and Cleveland fans attacking him after a game, and I still managed to be first.

    How do you like that??

  2. Last night’s boring Lebron “decision” showed why basketball is so boring. Back to the NHL where players can actually tell a story and have some personality. Except for Chris Drury.

  3. You have reached some cogent points about fandom,,but this holds true for pretty much each NHL team ( at least among the original 6 cities,) but Ranger fans gave credit where credit was due. If I’m not mistaken didn’t they give a cheer of some sort the prior season when Gaborik scored 5 goals against them? Maybe I misheard.

  4. Gift of GAB-orik( proceeds to go to charity) on

    LBJ couldn’t, or didn’t want, the pressure that comes with NY. Big time performer? he certainly isn’t.

    It only sucks because it’s another blow to MSG, and NY. The Rangers didn’t do anything so far this summer, the Knicks had a big shot, and instead got a big air ball.

    Donnie Walsh may retire now…. why can’t Sather?

    NY fans have suffered for YEARS with the ineptitude of the owner, and GM’s. Money can’t solve everything. Dolan may no cable… but he doesn’t know CARCILLO about sports.

  5. Gift of GAB-orik( proceeds to go to charity) on

    When does Kovalchuk’s press conference come on? Is he going to sign with the Panthers so him and the no ring king can hit south beach together?

  6. Gift of GAB-orik( proceeds to go to charity) on

    As a fan of NY sports, i’m totally disgusted today, and will refrain from blogging for awhile until i calm down.

  7. fran, I don’t recall that. But there’s a difference between appreciating a great performance and going to the game to cheer an opponent.

    They cheered Mario when he came back from cancer. Then when the puck dropped they booed him. And Mario appreciated that.

  8. I wouldn’t want to play with the Knicks. They just suck.

    I can’t blame the guy for wanting to win, but if he had any balls, he would have stayed with his team, since they were apparently good.

    Imagine every sports athlete team takes after him?

    What happens when Crosby goes 6 or 7 years without winning the Cup? He leaves? He puts together a super team to go win the Cup?

    Pathetic! This guy’s a loser, clearly. I hope this BS doesn’t catch on.

  9. MSG basketball fans have changed. It used to be that an opponent like Lebron would have been booed and mocked like a talent of his caliber should be in a road arena. But everyone was too busy kissing his feet praying he’d come “save us from our misery” or some BS like that. I remember hen Kobe came and scored 61 on us a couple years ago, the whole place chanted his name. Reggie Miller, a former Pacers great who was a thorn in the Knicks’ side during the 90s, called Spike Lee and asked him what was up with that. He(Reggie) couldn’t understand how the World’s Greatest Arena turned into the World’s Greatest Brothel. Spike told him the fans “changed”. No kidding. And that’s the last Lebron talk outta this Bonehead.

  10. Another point (thanks for the thought, Orr), why couldn’t James stay in Cleveland and recruit Bosh to play there?

    I imagine there were cap implications, but if he loved it there and wasn’t far from a title with that team, why not stay and figure that out and then do what Wade did in Miami — bring in two stars?

  11. Good point about the Rangers now getting more chances to be on HD channels. That’s all I care about. One thing LeBron did, however, is forfeit his potential greatness. He will win many championships, but will never be on the same page with Kobe, Magic, Michael etc. Having said that, the sad situation with strawberry crops in California interests me more than his NBA endeavor.

  12. Gaborik’s 5-goal game was played in Minnesota anyway, so doubt there was a whole lot of Ranger cheering going on.

  13. Warren Mason on

    I will be interested to see if the Lebron Show fallout has any impact on the NHL. For instance, do the Dolans now need a “win” for shareholders? As you mentioned, are the Panthers impacted (Alan Cohen is co-owner of the Nets as well)?

  14. Carp, I honestly think Lebron’s a quitter who’d rather ride on someone else’s cape aka Wade’s jockstrap than do the work himself. I honestly do. He quit on his team when they played Boston last year. After that, I knew I didn’t want him on my team. Even wade lost to Boston in 5, but at least he put out his best effort every night.

    ilb, good point on Lebron tainting his greatness. IF he really signs with Miami. He hasn’t signed yet, so who knows.

  15. Tank The Season on

    Let this be a lesson to the Rangers if they were planning on tanking until Crosby or Malkin became UFA’s…

  16. Based on what i read today the Kings are lowballing Kovy due to lack of suitors and they are also worried about the new CBA possibly including a reduction in salary cap.

    “Attracted by Kovalchuk’s production and electrifying style, the Kings reportedly offered him $63 million over 12 years, an annual cap hit of $5.25 million, or $84.5 million over 13 years, an annual cap hit of $6.5 million.”

  17. Morning all!

    I feel worse for Cleveland fans than I do for Knicks fans.

    After LeBron’s decision last night, I received a text message from my bro-in-law who is a Cleveland native that simply said ‘lebron is dead to me’. Then he went on to say that I could get a bunch of LeBron memorabilia for really cheap at their garage sale tomorrow.

  18. He’s a coward. He couldn’t handle NY anyway.I don’t care how many titles he wins. He will never go down as one of the all-time greats.If he had balls, he would be in NY.Honestly, a big cop out from LBJ. He wasn’t man enough to be his own man. Really shady what he did to Cleveland.He strung the Cavs fans along and organization and then embarrassed them on national TV. And to top it off, he did it right in The Knicks backyard in Connecticut 14 miles from Knicks training facility

  19. Screw all this Kovalchuk/LeBron sweepstakes crap! For the next few days i’ll be watching the Tour de France, British Grand Prix and World Cup Final..

    anyone know what time the “Marty Turco begs for an NHL starting goaltender gig” or the “Marc Staal signs for a half a Redden contract” is on TV?

  20. You know another thing? It would have been really distasteful having all of his posse members running around MSG like big shots with full-time, high-paying jobs.

  21. Are you also webcasting the “Who will Garth Snow acquire and/or horribly overpay just to get to the cap floor?” special?

  22. “5) Rangers fans should be happy that LeBron didn’t come to the Garden. Otherwise your boys would forever be on MSG-Plus or MSG-4 or whatever on nights when the Knicks were playing.”

    Great point.

  23. TheREALMikeyNJ on

    I jsut hate the fact that we’ve all been talking about this freaking idiot for so long, and still are, on a Rangers Blog

    Wish there was some sort of news to change the topic

  24. hopefully basketball will go on strike next year and it will hurt the sport even more. i hate the NBA

  25. I know, Mikey. But there’s nothing. This is better than shutting down, right?

    We could discuss line combos. Or Seinfeld. Or gibberish or jibberish.

  26. Gift of GAB-orik( proceeds to go to charity) on

    I do find it interesting that nobody on LeBron’s ‘team’ is older than 28. How are guys who never accomplished anything, going to lead him in the right direction? Loyalty to friends is nice… but surrounding yourself with scrubs, enablers, and yes-men does nothing to make you think for yourself, just about yourself.

    These guys are getting jobs, and getting paid, solely through association, not because they actually have talent at anything. Carp is right, having those guys at MSG would be an injustice.

  27. tank, you are 100% correct!!

    orr, take note. tanking the season does not guarantee anything. the knicks planned for 3 seasons for this july and look what happened. they still are not going to win anything.

    the chances to win it all are few and far between. when you get the chance to make a splash you better do it. look at chicago! they took a chance went over the cap and it paid off. hell, look at 1994 here! smith traded amonte, weight, gartner, and other players who had good to great careers to win it all one time. it worked, the team got bad (real bad a few years later) but it worked.

    there are plenty of examples where a team was close and didnt go for it and never won it all.

    not saying the rangers are close to winning the cup, but why not go after kovalchuk with the expectations of winning in the next 3 years. rather than wait for kids who will not be nhl ready for 3 years and may become the next alexander diagle or radek bonk or (insert your own failed prospect)?

  28. Doodie Machetto on

    I am so glad he didn’t sign in NY. SO glad.

    Enjoy mediocrity at best for the next half a decade Knicks fans!

    I hope Dolan loses his shirt.

  29. doodie, i dont care about dolan’s shirt i hope he loose the garden! labron not coming to new york is the bets thing that could happen to the anti dolan faction

  30. bull dog line on

    Carp,
    I was at the game in the Garden when Mario returned. A couple of Pens fans hung a sign saying welcome back Mario. in response Ranger fans ripped it down. Hatred!

  31. Doodie Machetto on

    Carp, I read an interesting article about the Rangers’ farm system and I would like your opinion. After Girardi, none of our defensive prospects have made the jump from AHL to NHL. Part of that is obviously due to roster space. Part of that is also due to the fact that we didn’t really have any blue chip guys (unless you count Sanguinetti). But we had some solid prospects that just seemed to stall under the watch of Ken Gernander and JJ Daigneault. I’m thinking of Potter, Sauer, and Heikkinen, specifically, but there have been other guys too, such as Sanguinetti (who WAS supposed to be a blue chip prospect), Pock (I know he went to the Islanders and was rotten, but he had so much more promise before staying with the Pack), Baranka, and Liffiton.

    Bearing that in mind, shouldn’t we be hoping that McDonagh or Gilroy don’t find themselves in the minors?

  32. that. “Oh, they might cheer a Messier or a Leetch or an Eddie Giacomin when he returns as an opponent, but once the game starts those guys are the enemy.””

    Ahaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahhahahaa!!! That’s Funny!! I was there the nite of Nov 2nd 1975–were you?? Obviously not!! If you were you would have witnessed the most bizarre nite and emotional nite in sports—The nite Eddie came back and 17,500 RANGERS fans rooted for Eddie and the Wings!!! We roared every save–cheered every Nick libbet goal—the left to standing ovation after the first period leading 4-0!! That nite I knew there was NOTHING like a Ranger fan!! We still were Ranger fans–but Giacomin was a legend to us all–a fan favorite–class act==that didnt deserve to get waived for the minimum of 30k—and we took it personally!!!

  33. Ahaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahhahahaa!!! That’s Funny!! I was there the nite of Nov 2nd 1975-were you?? Obviously not!! If you were you would have witnessed the most bizarre nite and emotional nite in sports-The nite Eddie came back and 17,500 RANGERS fans rooted for Eddie and the Wings!!! We roared every savecheered every Nick libbet goal-the left to standing ovation after the first period leading 4-0!! That nite I knew there was NOTHING like a Ranger fan!! We still were Ranger fansbut Giacomin was a legend to us alla fan favoriteclass act==that didnt deserve to get waived for the minimum of 30k—and we took it personally!!!

    why was my last post all crossed out??

  34. LI RangerFan on

    feibo; putting dashes between text strikes out the text itself (without the quotes, of course)

    “-“like this”-”

    -like this-

    Same thing with asterisks to make text bold

    “*”like this”*”

    *like this*

  35. Doodie, it’s not on Gernander or Daigneault. Every kid is a prospect until he doesn’t make it. It happens all the time, this kid or that kid is going to be the next stud, and turns out to be a bust.

    Been happening since before Gernander played. Joby Messier. Terry Virtue. Jayson More. Murray Duval. Michael Stewart (he was a sure thing!).Lee Sorochan. Jeff Brown. Filip Novak.

    I think MDZ is obviously an exception (and he didn’t play in the AHL), and I think Gilroy has a chance to be decent. But I wouldn’t bet much on any of the other prospects … plus, in general, d-men mature much later. If they do.

  36. feibo, no, I wasn’t there. But I remember it very well. That was obviously the exception. What happened the next time he came back?

  37. One more thing on this doofus “LeBum”…

    I think it’s just classless to go live on TV to make your decision, and not even letting the five other teams know what your decision is prior to announcing it.

    Most hockey players personally call the teams that are interested in them, and let them know that they appreciate the offer but they’re signing elsewhere.

    But, this loser had to string alone five other teams, and give them hope. No class.

    I’m glad I’m not a basketball fan.

    I’ll gladly take the situation with Dublowsky, and Staal over that, any day of the week!

    Back to Hockey now! Or is it Soccer? Or Cricket, maybe?

  38. A few thoughts on LeBron before I never mention his name again.

    A-Rod is said to be the biggest egomaniac and fame whore of all professional athletes but not even he would have an hour “special” like LeBron did last night.

    He did take the easy way out, and now he will always be Wades sidekick, never seen a king want to share his crown before.

    I hope the first game of the season is in Cleveland and they tear him a new one.

    While he said it wasn’t for the money, it’s always about the money. While he will make less in Miami, there are no state income taxes in Florida plus Bosh didn’t want to play in Cleveland anyway.

    He admitted to a point last year that this plan had started a few years ago, if so which it probably was, they why even drag this out past July 1. Make your intentions known right away and don’t drag anyone around, holding other teams plans up.

    That is all, now I can go back to not caring about the NBA ever again.

    NY already has a king anyway!

  39. Doodie Machetto on

    I agree Carp.

    This whole “Decision” thing was the worst marketing move he could ever make. He has now become a villain. The only way the program would have been a success, brand-wise, is if he chose the Cavs and made a promise of a championship.

    Gilbert is intentionally making him a villain for two reasons: 1) He has to do SOMETHING to bring Cleveland citizen’s in from off of the ledge, and 2) He is intentionally trying to hurt James’ brand as revenge for leaving him holding the bag of a rotten franchise.

  40. Doodie Machetto on

    Who are the early draft prizes next year?

    I hate that the Islanders got Kabanov. He’s talented enough that even if he never gets his heart into it, he can turn into a Nick Zherdev. What a steal in the 3rd round.

  41. I have not been here for a while, but I have to say – this is a fantastic article Carp! – You always do a great job, but this is outstanding! Maybe the commisioner should take note and stop trying to run hockey like he did basketball. Yes, fans do follow players, but in Hockey its about the team.

  42. I missed it – will ESPN release a DVD?

    When are Versus doing a Kovalchuk decision special?

  43. Maybe…

    the new Florida “Dream Team” will be as hated as the NBA Dream Team Olympics one was a few years back…

    Maybe somebody will give Kova a contract that will pay him $8 million a year when he is 38, 39, and 40.

    Hockey Rodent’s stat about age and productivity is misleading.

    Only genetic freaks play at a high level past 36 years of age; most players are already retired, so the stats will reflect these stars.

    We don’t know if someone will produce past 35 and I would only want to see a contract to Kovalchuk be 6 years max.

    It would be great to have him while the first four years we get to subtract Dredden’s money while he blows snow in hartford.

  44. Get real folks. As much as I hate what the NBA has turned into over the last decade, this has nothing to do with hockey vs basketball. The only reason NY, Cleveland, Chicago etc fans hate James this morning is because they lost out on the prize, not because of how he did it. I’m sure if he chose the Knicks, few fans in NY would care how lame the process was or feel sorry for the Cleveland fans.

    Granted he would never get the same type of national coverage, but if Ovechkin were a free agent and decided to come to NY after putting everyone through the same egotistical, sorry process as LJ did, it’d be an Ovie lovefest and few Ranger fans could care less about the impact to the league, other cities, fans etc, especially if he brought Malkin and Backstrom with him.

  45. Well I think LeBron will certainly get his championship when Kovalchuk signs with the Heat.

  46. well, I can only tell you that I will try to get real. Thanks for straightening me and the rest of us hockey fans out. We had it coming and you were there for us.

    I feel so much better now that I am real again.

  47. Breaking News…

    Shaquille O’Neil announces that he’ll be making his “decision” to sign with a team at a LA strip club, and is also rumored to be signing on to do a “Steel” sequel.

    Also, a trailer of Basketball Wives season 2 will be played.

    Sounds like a good time!

  48. LOL Carp. Dane Byers is a heck of a player. An AHL player that is. Let’s all hope he can make the jump to the NHL just like….ummmm….just like….ummmm….quick name a guy that has done it recently for the Rangers and was good at the NHL level.

  49. SeamusO
    Didn’t mean to insult you, that’s not how it was meant. If you took offense (and obviously you did), then my apologies.

  50. TheREALMikeyNJ on

    I agree Carp, way better than shutting down for the summer, and there is little NHl news right now.

    But can I get everyones thoughts on this:

    Why woudl the flyers, whoa re tight against the cap, publicly state, even if he hasnt given it, that they want to trade Gagne, and then in turn sign Zherdev(Which it seems liek they will do tday)

    Why woudl you go after him with your cap so tight, no real number 1 Goaltender, and asking a player to to waive hi NTC who one of your assistant captains and who is a good player?

    It just makes no sense to me.

    And whats with there GM goign after all ex-Ranger players?
    BEtts, Shelley, now zherdev?

    I hope philthy sucks next season

  51. Because, Mikey, the Flyers by law are not allowed to have a legit No. 1 goalie. Apparently they sold that right along with their souls when they won the Cups with Bernie Parent. So they have to do whatever it takes to fill their cap with skaters and leave goaltending to afterthought status.

    And they also have to continue to stockpile goons and idiots (carcillo) as if it was the 1970s.

  52. Doodie Machetto on

    “quick name a guy that has done it recently for the Rangers and was good at the NHL level.”

    Dubinsky, Callahan, Staal, Girardi, and Anisimov. Also, less successful, but still forging solid NHL careers are Korpikoski and Dawes.

  53. Doodie Machetto on

    Rangers get that up in minutes, while Miami couldn’t get something about LeBron up for nearly 12 hours.

  54. I can understand World Cup ramblings amidst our precious Rangers, but I would think the ‘Tour du Dope’ should be where we draw the line.

  55. The only cricket player I know of is Sharapova. But, she decided to play Tennis instead.

    Now she’s almost a has-been!

    So, Princess Girardi is back, Staal might be back, Blowzy is here, Dredden is here, and Gilroy is here, and Del Z is here, and McDonut is making the team, barring some unforseen incident.

    Who goes? Dredden!!

  56. Tank The Season on

    Now the Rangers know how much cap space they will have, and Staal will likely sign once Redden is buried in the minors.

    Dominos?

  57. Orr, thanks for posting that fight vid of Dylan McIlrath…was a beaut as was the call…not sure why no one commented on it unless it was widely seen already…my twitter peeps loved it

  58. I can’t find any terms of the Girardi signing. Anyone know # of years and $$ figures?

  59. Carp–

    Theres never anything like the first homecoming—you know this. But I was there when Ratelle and Park came back too–Park got booed and Ratelle was nicely cheered–Point was–that no way did we root for our beloved Rangers that nite and no way was Eddie ever the enemy—even the next time he came back–Rangers beat him —–but there will never be another nite in the history of sports like that—no way–not in todays sports!!!

  60. I’m a moron—sorry guys.

    Carp—
    Theres never anything like the first homecoming—you know this. But I was there when Ratelle and Park came back tooPark got booed and Ratelle was nicely cheeredPoint wasthat no way did we root for our beloved Rangers that nite and no way was Eddie ever the enemy-even the next time he came backRangers beat him —-but there will never be another nite in the history of sports like that-no way-not in todays sports!!!

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