Vinny’s in the house

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You guys are always a step ahead. You had the Vinny Lecavalier discussion yesterday, and it took off today with Vinny and the Lightning in town to play the Rangers on (god forbid) Versus.

Here, for example, is Larry Brooks’ take on the whole situation.

I would normally think, if you could get a team to give you a legit first-line talent AND take Wade Redden’s contract, and even if it cost you a good young player or prospect or draft pick, then do it.

But the thing with Lecavalier is the length of the contract, and therefore the cap hit. If the hit goes all the way out to 2019, there is no way you can take on Vinny or his contract, no matter how much comes off the books by ridding yourselves of Redden. There aren’t enough adjectives to even imagine describing what Lecavalier’s cap hit will mean, and how severely it will handcuff the Rangers in the latter part of this decade.

I don’t care what he would do for the immediate team, or what his relationship to John Tortorella. That’s a lethal contract that nobody, least of all a 30-year-old who may already be in decline, could justify. And isn’t that why he’s available in the first place?

I’m on the way to MSG later on. See youse then.

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  1. No worries Carp. Here’s a lil Carped repost.

    Hey Fellers and Gals,
    I came into some better free tickets at work today and have two tickets for tonight for face value. Section 316, Row F on the aisle (side Rangers shoot at twice). Selling for face which is $112 for the pair.
    Office is in midtown on 51st and 6th. Give me a ring at 212-373-2256 if you want ‘em.

  2. Vinny’s contract is absolutely ridiculous, it would kill us for another decade. Which is exactly why I wouldn’t put it past Sather to do it. Help us all.

    I think we should have a GM-by-committee. Get Torts, Sullivan, and Schoeny to decide moves. If 2 out of the 3 agree to a move, then it’s done. Notice how I left Sather out of this decision-making process?!?!

    Nasty, good luck!

  3. THE REAL MikeyNJ on

    Same Lines for tonight per Gross

    Brashit and Kotalik sitting

    Kotalik is gonna cry and be pissed about sitting again
    But until he starts playing better, SUCK IT UP!

    lETS GO RANGERS!!

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    FIRE SATHER completely. He must be removed from BOTH of his positions, because if he ‘willingly’ gives up the GM mantle, he IS STILL PRESIDENT!!

    That was for you Olga!

  5. Carp, I don’t like the Vinny hit either but what about the Redden cap hit handcuffing us and no good to show for it. I know Vinny is longer but by the time Redden’s is over so is the peak careers of our 2 best Gabby & Hank. We are not contending with Redden and Rosi on the team. Maybe something better will come up, but i’m not holding my breath.

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    do any of you think it remotely possible that maybe not this year but next, Redden will be in Hartford? Admit the $$$ and length mistake and save us from cap hell.

  7. Carp,
    With the Islanders recent resurgence (spanking the Redwings and Devils 6-0 and 4-0 respectively), would you say that they are for real or just on a fluke run? Also, seeing that the Islanders were able to chase Broduer with 4 goals, what does that say about our boys in blue? As a ranger fan you/we/I need to worry about these things…especially since Bislanders are only 1 point behind us.

  8. Torts and Sather should play rock, paper, scissors to determine what to do with Redden, with Schoeny as the witness and saboteur in favor of Torts. Or maybe a steel cage match.

  9. Kris – I hate to say it, but I think that the Isles are for real. NEVER would have thought that they’d be up in the standings as they are at the moment, and they give a good effort for the most part every night. Also, as much as I hate the guy, for whatever reasons, DiPietro seems to spark that team. I wouldn’t take them for granted going down the stretch. That’s my opinion, anyway…

  10. the lecavalier hit is even worse then the dredden hit.. it is much longer.

    to trade for vinny would be idiotic… the rangers have 3 legit bad and significant contracts; drury, redden, and roszival. voros or brashear or kotalik are much smaller in amount and much much shorter.

    roszival can be moved in the offseason he will have only 2 years left. drury and redden cannot be moved. i send dredden down this offseason and take the monetary hit for the next few years. this will get them out of cap hell, addidn vinny would be stupid even for sather………………..

  11. Reeshay (or Riche') on

    It would have to depend on what we’re giving up…

    I’d love to trade Redden for Vinny… as long as we don’t lose MDZ/Staal.

    Worth it for Cally or Dubi? Maybe.

    Either way I’d rather send Dredden to Hartford and sign Kovy

  12. Kris, I think they’re for real in the sense that they are much improved and on track to be really good in the future. I don’t know if they can sustain this, but no reason to think they couldn’t make the playoffs in the Leastern Conference.

    As for the rumors: A) My friend Bruce Garrioch does a great job in Ottawa, but he sure generates a lot of rumors that never happen. But where there’s smoke … ; B) Brian Lawton is a former player and agent, so he knows how it works. Denying it doesn’t mean it’s not happening or won’t. And it probably came from one of his former colleagues in the agent biz.

  13. Doodie Machetto on

    Why is everyone still talking about this? I posted a link on the last thread that was also posted by someone else on this thread that basically said its not happening.

    Move on.

  14. Kris, oy that post made be depressed :)

    No to Vinny…too much, too long, too old (I do enjoy calling a 30-year-old old though)

    Mama’s going home sick. Thrilled as usual that Carp will be at game, but don’t know if I’ll be able to engage tonight. I need a laptop sofa king bad.

  15. Forget Vinny….I’ll take St. Louis if anyone from that team lol…just as impactful, cheaper salary, less years.

    But I doubt TB would take away a scoring winger from Stamkos

  16. Hi Guys
    I agree with Brooks, we have to be patient giving the situation we are in. Sather got this team in this situation making stupid moves. I think going after Vinny would be really stupid. It is going to take a couple of years, but this situation will work itself out, that is if Sather is bright enough to let it. For now I say stay the course and develop the young guys, and make a trade to get what you need. This throwing big dollars at past their prime players in this days NHL is just not smart. If Glen Sather does not have the smarts to compete in todays league, he should step down.

  17. Good hockey afternoon all!!!!

    All the Vinny buzz. No way they get him. I think Sather learned his leasson with the 4 toxic contracts. This will further hamstring the team.

    Doodie
    You always have great insight to your posts, when you post. But, if people wanna blog about this until thy are blue in the face, they can :)

    Any word on Tam getting out of the hospital?

  18. Reginald Dunlop on

    why worry about the length of deal….throw him a few bucks under the table and he can retire and pull a Shanahan move like Lou orchestrated in joisey

  19. Olga Folkyerself on

    Do you think Vinny’s contract scares Sather? He’d do it, even if the contract lasts longer than he lives. What does he care?

    FIRE SATHER RIGHT F***ING NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

    Thanks linda.

  20. I appologize if I offend anyone for the silliness of this but the Rangers are pretty much the cast of movie right now. The team consists of the all star gaborik. The guy everyone thought was done, prospal. We got the two over paid joke defensemen used for crackig jokes at. The great core of guys (callahan, staal, dubi, girardi) basically Volton with speciality(only) slap shot in Kotalik. The hometown guy who can’t hack it in Higgins. The really talented rookies in del z and gilroy. The speedster who can’t score in Lisin. The “badass” in Avery. The guy who cam mid season in Christensen. A guy for slapstick in Voros. A “token” fighter with brashear. The unbelievable but sometimes unreliable goalie. The only thing missing is the captain….Chris drury needs to be recast!

  21. Anyone ever get the feeling that even if Sather dies he’ll still have the job? Dolan will just prop him up occassionally to show that he’s still around, even though everyone will notice that he’s not moving at all.

    rjam- Voltron reference! Awesome! Loved that cartoon when I was growing up. Wonder who qualifies as the head though- Callahan?

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    The Outsiders NY Rangers Style

    Or Jimmy D’s BigTop Adventure

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    lmao SLATSHOT!

    or Million Dollar Misfits

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    Mickey, we’ve come to the conclusion that Yetipus IS dead and is being propelled by remote control!!

  25. If the sun-moon-stars were to align and they’re discussing a deal right now to have Vinny L switch lockerrooms before tonight’s game it’s tough to take on a deal like that but…

    Obviously Vinny solves a lot of problems, especially with a top line center, the contract is outrageous. It’s funny though that people are kicking him to the curb because Stamkos is looking real good. And Marty StL is 34 going on 35 and still a productive player. Is Vinny as good as Crosby or Malkin, no? He is in fact a year younger than Joe Thornton and no one talks about him like he’s in decline but it helps to have some other good talent to make you look good like Jumbo Joe has on SJ.

    Not advocating trading for him, but this team will look entirely different in 2020, with or without Vinny. And like a few others have said, if you swap his contract for one of the other cap crushers at least you’re getting something close to fair value. He’s at least closer to being an elite center than Drury is or Redden or Rozi are to being 1st pair D.

  26. Olga Folkyerself on

    The movie’s name is SLATSHOT.

    Starring Ted Knight as Glen Sather and Steve Carell as Jimmy Dolan.

  27. seeing all the negatives that the vinny deal will cause to our cap I dont see how Sather does not make the deal.

  28. Hockeymon, I’m with you. A knee-jerk one-shot isn’t going to get us any closer to the Cup this year. Build away I say.

    Olga, LMAO…

    That’s all I have for now. mama go beddy bed…..

  29. Slapshot is a great movie but I was referring to slapstick comedy. The only purpose voros serves is laughter. Flailing and sliding in the ice. Taking
    punchs to the face just to get a laugh from the guys on the bench. It’s pretty nice of him.

  30. The Vinny trade would never happen. I don’t think he’s that much in decline. he’s still a PPG player. but we’d be so screwed with that contract.

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    matt dillon as wade redden
    borat as michal rozsival
    meryl streep as marc staal
    prince charles as vinny prospal

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    burt reynolds as john amirante

  33. Any of the guys in any band such as Fall Out Boy or Panic! At the Disco as Del Zotto.

    What? He’s got the look to be in one of those.

  34. Linda, Vinnie L. can’t come because you’ll have 2 tanned Vinnies and what if he’s FANKIST also how will we tell them apart. Oh my!

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    no way mickey, none of those guys look like they can punch harder than an infant

  36. Linda if you request BONEHEADS FB membership, we need to know your posting name on

    Prospal is THE HIGHLANDER of tanned men. He is immortal, there can be only one, and that one is Vaclav Prospal!

  37. Linda, ya got a point on that one.

    Snuffkleupagas as Voros? Big, lumbering and only seen occasionally and when he is seen, he’s hanging with the cool kids.

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    lmao @ hanging with the cool kids. Voros has got the life!

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    i dont know whats funnier, the bag of cement as brashear, or george hamilton as Prospal! Great job everyone, we definitely need psychiatric help!

  40. lmao at George Hamilton as Prospal!!

    Of course Linda, my apologies. Vinny L “pales” in comparison to uber tanned FANKIST

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    ooh i am awaiting moderation!!

    lmao @ Pavel

  42. Linda if you request BONEHEADS FB membership, we need to know your posting name on

    what is so bad about a picture of pudding and a picture of charmin tp with frogs???

  43. Linda if you request BONEHEADS FB membership, we need to know your posting name on

    gollum as al davis! LMFAO!!

    are al davis and dolan related???

  44. probably, i know davis and slatipuss are, they are both holograms made by the same company!

  45. sheesh Carp
    your post pretty much lays out a complete
    plan of action that would find sather/dolan
    going after Lecavalier………..as in doing it for
    the marquee value without consideration for what it will
    do to hamper matters in a cap world.

    btw,
    Linda…..
    in regards to the link you provided on cormier’s vicious elbow on Tam in the juniors, i guess he just learned from his elders in the NHL…………also, good thing Tam didn’t say anything to the media after he woke up….the good ol’ boy Canadian media would have put him down just like Burrows (better to sweep such matters under the rug, right collie?)

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    poor kid! i hope he gets well soon! As for the other one, bleck

    every year, there are usually one or two events that happend to make us all question the hierarchy in this league. What are they afraid of? Just use common sense an honesty instead of this other carp.

  47. Any 12 year old off the street as Chad Johnson. The same applies for Dubinsky.

    For those who have seen the yearbook, is it me or does Del Zotto look older than Dubinsky in the dressed up pics? And speaking for the ladies, dayum are those nice pictures.

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    Carp needs to write a book about this blog, i swear! what a bunch of totally hilarious, insane people!

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    ORR, you wasted too much time playin NHL10 when you should have been voting for your woman

  50. How did it all start? Just finished an hour and a half lecture, open the RR and see the number of posts go from like 20 to a 120. Guess what I thought? The Rangers just made a major trade! And found this? You gonna give me a stroke. From LMAO too.

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    lmao ILB! just passing time. Imagine the hits the blog would take if Sather just said , screw it you guys i’m going home. It would be like your birthday, Easter, July 4th, Valentines Day, Halloween,Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years Eve and Hanukkah all rolled into one giant party

  52. The fact that the trade is a horrible idea for the Rangers… means it will most likely happen!

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    Mako has been oddly silent today, guess he’s actually DOING SOME WORK! ;-)

  54. Olga Folkyerself on

    SAther retiring? I sure wouldn’t let it ruin my birthday, Easter, July 4th, Valentines Day, Halloween,Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years Eve and Hanukkah!

  55. i say judge smails (sp?) grandson off of caddyshack for dubi, always picking his nose…fifty bucks says he eats it!!

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    thats just not right Mess!!

  57. I understand the hesitation in trading for Vinnie. What i don’t understand is where everybody thinks were going to get a top flight centerman. I think you take the gamble and trade for him (at the right price), and deal with the cap later. who knows what the rules are going to be in 5 years.

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    we’re just warming up for the Versus Circus ilb!! you guys are better than late night tv, thats fo’sho’

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    in 5 years, that’ll still leave us a 35 year old making 7 million dollars. The rules could be a little worse in 5 years too. I just hate clogging up so much money. I am NOT disparaging the guys talent, thats just a lot of years and a lot of dough

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    did he just tweet his lunch menu???

  61. one more thing on Vinnie. he is a year younger than Messier was when the Rangers traded for him( I know Vinnie is no Messier). I do not think he is in a decline, I think he has grown stale in Tampa.

  62. who are the Rangers waiting on that is so good in there system that is going to be ready in a year or 2 that is going to make them contenders. Hank is ready to win now, gaborik is ready to win now. It is time to make up there minds, is this a rebuild, or are they trying to go for it. they are just stuck in the middle right now, mediocrity.

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    thats where we’ve been for years it seems bull dog. we all know the only thing dolan cares about is his one or two extra gate receipts in one round of the playoffs. A championship really means nothing to him. He must hold a record though, he’s run two franchises into the ground and messed up the network in a way also. Nobody beats the Wiz though.

  64. Bulldog you bring up a valid point, but look at what the contracts of the 3 albatrosses have done to their ability to acquire free agent talent.

    Even if they get rid of Redden, they’ll still have Rozy and Drury to go with Vinnie’s contract.

    Will Vinnie be the piece of the puzzle that gives them a Stanley Cup right now? Not that I can see? When will they be able to contend for the Cup? They won’t be able to sign other good free agents. It’ll have to come from the farm system anyway.

  65. Funny movie references. Of course Tampa would want Callie (the inspector) and Dubeliveau (Dugretsky?) Our long dead GM Bernie (Robot Chicken) is not that dumb. Or is he? I say if you want Vinny C…offer Lundqvist and then trade for John Graham from the Hershey Philly AHL team. He’s playing better since surviving the drunk tank in the KHL.

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    Yea Mess, thats what happens when you give the keys to the kingdom to the least deserving spawn.

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    lmao @ my earlier post STILL awaiting moderation!

  68. At least no Ranger went ahead and had surgery without the team’s permission, and now are engaged in he said/he said/he said with their most talented players overall.

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    mickey, someone on, i think the daily news voice of the people sent a letter in saying why is it that beltran is out possibly 3 months and Fankist was back in 3 weeks! I just thought it was funny. I dont know if it is the same surgery, and that’s why it’ll take beltran longer, but just the same, still funny

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    think i’ll pass on that ORR! :-)

  71. Linda if you request BONEHEADS FB membership, we need to know your posting name on

    for a guy most of us can’t stand, we certainly have many people or things portraying him

  72. Prayers to Nasy’s little one. . . .I’ve been there brother.

    Sykora is on waivers? He was good in shootouts. He also can’t be worse than 8 of the 12 current Ranger forwards.

  73. Linda, that’s a good question. I would think it’s because Fankist’s (best nickname ever, btw) surgery was just a clean out/minor repair, while Beltran’s seems to be more serious and possibly related to him attempting to avoid microfracture surgery that was rumoured he needed last summer. Then again, I’m not a doctor,nor in the medical field so I’m just speculating. Maybe it’s that Fankist’s tan gives him super healing powers.

  74. Staal Wart crushed his finger on

    Carp,
    from reading your write up today,
    I seems to me that Vinny will be NY bound…you know with history and all…

  75. Are we still chewing on poor Vincent?
    Apparently that’s how you properly say his name:

    VIHN-sihnt luh-KAV-uhl-YAY

    Yeah, Wicky, I’m sure it’s a piece of cake for you, but my Russian tongue would not turn in that many different directions simultaneously.

  76. Thanks to all the well wishes. The tests went well. From what they saw today, everything looks normal.

  77. Not sure if I’m real thrilled with the Nick Fotiu reference (in fact, quite sure I’m not), but …
    LMFAO at George Hamilton (but Vegetable Lasagna is his voice).

    Andy Kauffman as Lisin.
    The Count as the commissioner.
    Count Chocula as Gomez.
    Fonz as Torts.
    The guy in the new Geico commercials as Mike Sullivan.
    Pinter Ronawat as Rozsival.
    The two kids in the car in the AT&T rollover commercial as Drury and Dubinsky.
    Spicoli as Higgins.
    The guy from freecreditreport.com as Voros.

  78. Good News Nasty. I had similar issues with my son, and he is 100% today. Scary as hell, but a little faith and some ggod luck things have a way of working out.
    Best wishes.

  79. CARP

    Ehh, i don’t know, she’s in a bath rub covering mostly everything, but you can see her nip.

    And which free credit guy is supposed to be Voros ? I always thought if you put them together they create 1 whole Voros, and extra hair.

  80. my day so far…
    got up early, started splitting firewood with a buddy…
    at around 2 oclock I crushed the tip of my finger in my log splitter. X rayed it at a friends…and sure enough the bone is crushed.
    But…
    their is a below average Ranger team waiting for me…
    And I’m in a good mood…

  81. No, I’m not a big pill taker. At 3am when I’m counting heartbeats in my finger I may change my mind…lol

  82. Name’s Wade Redden, pugilist, i’m new to tha list, when i break a nail, i’m bound to get pissed State yo case before i throw my fist and u do an about face. Benoit Pouliot haha, put my fist down his throat, merry christmas, i get my own float. ha-ha. Tho i made 6.5 mil, we all in the same boat.
    While i’m tazing, amazing, glen sather and brash out in the grass grazing,turning it around in their stomachs then laying down their manure, they tell me its pure, but nobody knows whats in store. Lay down the white stripes on the table and all I see is white light!

  83. At 3 am you might be sorry you were ever born, Staal. Did you find the missing piece? I know a great hand surgeon who will put them together. Just link the X-ray, so I can pass it on.

    WELCOME TO RANGERS MEDICAL REPORT (RMR), lol

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    Great news Nasty!!! Rangers’ll win for Lil Nasty tonight for sure.

    RICK, great casting! I had some errands to do but was thinking in Sams that as soon as I got home I had to find a picture of the Dubinsky and Drury kids!!

    Spicoli or Shaggy as higgins, although he looks bloated and those 2 dont!

    Staal, DAMN OUCH!!

    I’m so happy i put that COUNT picture up for Bettman, it really DOES Look just like him!

  85. Linda, do you think the bond market is alive again or Kentucky just lost the only wireless internet hotspot in the state?

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    lmao ILB!!! My wing man is on his way home! dont forget boys and girls, its VEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRSUS tonight! and i just gotta remind myself I have HD!!!

  87. Linda, if Carp was really a good businessman, he would sart paying you. Oh, I still laugh every time I recall someone calling him that a couple of days back..

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    maybe he’s at his job…giving out free credit reports!

  89. Linda if you request BONEHEADS FB membership, we need to know your posting name on

    CARP da bidniz man! That was just too funny!

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    ok just in case they are in here:

    Christopher P, Greg V and Cristina C, we need to know your RR names before you are confirmed for the Boneheads FB, thank you

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    ilb,2 things, how’s your dog lol, and one of us should be getting carped ANY MINUTE NOW

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    Trader (or is it TRAITOR) Glen

  93. Hey Linda, Apparently Flavah got a “very tight buzz cut” I wonder what Joe will say. lol

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    no kiddin nore!! hmmmmmmmmm seeing that he looked outstanding in that knit hat, i’m wondering what he looks like now!

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    ilb, glad we’re still friends ;-)

    HURRAY CCCP has arrived

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    hmmmm, that does NOT sound like a fun place to be

  97. Regarding Vinny… my fear is that Sather LOVES big name guys – regardless of anything else. I don’t think that has ever stopped. Which is why I think there is probably some truth to the rumors.

    Congrats Nasty!

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    Rick, you and Izzy HAVE to feed CCCP hot meals regularly, how else will he have the strength to be FIRST??

  99. Linda if you request BONEHEADS FB membership, we need to know your posting name on

    ok that sounds even worse! kinda sounds like the graybar hotel ;-)

  100. Carp

    i wish it was one of those incidents…at least i wouldn’t feel so bad aboot it!

    maybe in one of those “Guest blogger” days ill get to tell the story… :P

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