Comments on: Analysis doesn’t go deep (updated) http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2009/04/29/analysis-doesnt-go-deep/ News and insight about the New York Rangers by Rick Carpiniello Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:00:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Skip http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2009/04/29/analysis-doesnt-go-deep/#comment-179248 Skip Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:14:39 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/?p=4053#comment-179248 I told many fans at the MSG from the start the rangers were not such a great team. Yes they had to get rid of all the old and slow guys but our buddy Sather never replaced them as he should. # 91, # 12, # 49, # 29, # 6, # 13, # 27 (had a ok season but we needed a big tough guy in his spot and he shouldn't have been brought back), # 33 are a waste. # 19 and # 23 are not top stars but we sure pay them that way. I said at last seasons trade deadline go get Boyle or Campbell and St Louis too, to play with Gomez. I see now Columbus stole # 51 from us for a big stiff # 13. And if we did get rid of all the old broken down guys last season we sure needed 2-3 young guys from Hartford this year. That team stinks too as all we got at the start of the season was # 29 and he did nothing so our farm team was a waste for us again. And how many top two line players are our own (# 17 would be lucky to be on the 3rd line this year as poor a year as he had and # 24 our second best player after # 30 started as a 3rd liner. Now to next year, we need a real PP D, a real nasty tough D, two scorers up front and be sure to resign Betts out 3rd best player this year all year based on what he does. Or our PK will go right down and we will be in more trouble. They need two players from Hartford to come up and really help. And with their cap problems, anything will be a big deal to do. But there is no question to get what we need above you must somehow move the following, #6 (who knows how), # 13 (don't resign this bum but maybe you can trade his rights for something), # 27 (need the tough nasty D in his spot), # 33 (way overpaid for what he is and we have to get cap space somehow and maybe you can trade him in a package), # 19 must go for money reasons and he's no good unless you give him two scoring wings anyway), # 20 and # 29 might bring back something in package trades because they can't score and we must get some scorers. # 28 must play or teams will kill us so keep him until you get the same toughness in somebody who can score too then you can trade him. # 91 get what you can for him and use the money elsewhere. You need at least two scorers, team toughness (with heart and guts), a PP D and and tough nasty D (maybe even two of them) but it will take some job. The first thing that would help is get Sather out and then a new guy must work on the above. Your team should start off with # 30, # 40, # 24, # 15, # 28, # 23 (way overpaid but you can't trade all of them and him either), # 18, # 5, # 17 (maybe, unless he is part of a big deal), # 42 AA (top scorer from Hartford and a tough gritty player), maybe PA Parenteau ( top scorer for the last two years from Hartford too), and maybe a young D from Hartford because of cap problems. They must rebuild alot because they can't score on 5 on 5 OR the PP so all that must be fixed along with alot of toughness on D. And yes # 16 can help at times but he is hated by others on his team, can't stay out of trouble, last time had alot of injuries and is a problem. The thing is how do you trade him AND get 1-2 guys like that back because the team needs what he brings only in a different player(s). The biggest problems are Dolan and Sather. Dolan must understand he has to dump Sather now. This team was lucky to make the playoffs. Here is the only reasons why they did. # 30, Buffalo loses miller for 13-14 games at the end of the year and with him, they pass the Rangers for sure, and Montreal having such a big fold at the end. If they won only 1-2 games more they pass us too. And also making a coaching change helped too. Those are the four reasons made the playoffs. That's alot to worry about. No way they beat out the 6 teams ahead of them next year as they are and you can expect both teams they just beat out to be alot better. That's for sure. So we would fight for our life and if # 30 ever gets hurt for awhile, we are done right there. So big changes somehow must take place. Same as this season but Sather got all the wrong players. Now it has to be done again. I told many fans at the MSG from the start the rangers were not such a great team. Yes they had to get rid of all the old and slow guys but our buddy Sather never replaced them as he should. # 91, # 12, # 49, # 29, # 6, # 13, # 27 (had a ok season but we needed a big tough guy in his spot and he shouldn’t have been brought back), # 33 are a waste. # 19 and # 23 are not top stars but we sure pay them that way. I said at last seasons trade deadline go get Boyle or Campbell and St Louis too, to play with Gomez. I see now Columbus stole # 51 from us for a big stiff # 13. And if we did get rid of all the old broken down guys last season we sure needed 2-3 young guys from Hartford this year. That team stinks too as all we got at the start of the season was # 29 and he did nothing so our farm team was a waste for us again. And how many top two line players are our own (# 17 would be lucky to be on the 3rd line this year as poor a year as he had and # 24 our second best player after # 30 started as a 3rd liner. Now to next year, we need a real PP D, a real nasty tough D, two scorers up front and be sure to resign Betts out 3rd best player this year all year based on what he does. Or our PK will go right down and we will be in more trouble. They need two players from Hartford to come up and really help. And with their cap problems, anything will be a big deal to do. But there is no question to get what we need above you must somehow move the following, #6 (who knows how), # 13 (don’t resign this bum but maybe you can trade his rights for something), # 27 (need the tough nasty D in his spot), # 33 (way overpaid for what he is and we have to get cap space somehow and maybe you can trade him in a package), # 19 must go for money reasons and he’s no good unless you give him two scoring wings anyway), # 20 and # 29 might bring back something in package trades because they can’t score and we must get some scorers. # 28 must play or teams will kill us so keep him until you get the same toughness in somebody who can score too then you can trade him. # 91 get what you can for him and use the money elsewhere. You need at least two scorers, team toughness (with heart and guts), a PP D and and tough nasty D (maybe even two of them) but it will take some job. The first thing that would help is get Sather out and then a new guy must work on the above. Your team should start off with # 30, # 40, # 24, # 15, # 28, # 23 (way overpaid but you can’t trade all of them and him either), # 18, # 5, # 17 (maybe, unless he is part of a big deal), # 42 AA (top scorer from Hartford and a tough gritty player), maybe PA Parenteau ( top scorer for the last two years from Hartford too), and maybe a young D from Hartford because of cap problems. They must rebuild alot because they can’t score on 5 on 5 OR the PP so all that must be fixed along with alot of toughness on D. And yes # 16 can help at times but he is hated by others on his team, can’t stay out of trouble, last time had alot of injuries and is a problem. The thing is how do you trade him AND get 1-2 guys like that back because the team needs what he brings only in a different player(s). The biggest problems are Dolan and Sather. Dolan must understand he has to dump Sather now. This team was lucky to make the playoffs. Here is the only reasons why they did. # 30, Buffalo loses miller for 13-14 games at the end of the year and with him, they pass the Rangers for sure, and Montreal having such a big fold at the end. If they won only 1-2 games more they pass us too. And also making a coaching change helped too. Those are the four reasons made the playoffs. That’s alot to worry about. No way they beat out the 6 teams ahead of them next year as they are and you can expect both teams they just beat out to be alot better. That’s for sure. So we would fight for our life and if # 30 ever gets hurt for awhile, we are done right there. So big changes somehow must take place. Same as this season but Sather got all the wrong players. Now it has to be done again.

]]> By: james simpson http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2009/04/29/analysis-doesnt-go-deep/#comment-179149 james simpson Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:06:40 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/?p=4053#comment-179149 yes the Rangers are all 2nd/3rd line player, all the defencemen play the puck and not the man except Garide, and as for the powerplay once the puck went to the point all the forward were all on one side of the net and not in some form of a triangel around the net the puck was shot wide so many time's that there wasnt anyone there for a tip in!! if those things were accomplished there would have been more goals but one other thing not only the Rangers, Ive noticed that all around the NHL so many shots are wide or like the Rangers many shots are rushed!! so there blocked easily as for the Rangers many are just flat out Telegraghed gaint windups when a snapshot would do perfectly instead of the big slapshot. the best players have the whole arsenal, ie wrist, snap, slap, and the most inportant the back hander that i could remember the couches coaching me stressed so much, only if one player on the Rangers had these quailities what a better team they would be but still no Stanley Cup Team!!!! I give them creidt though they just didnt lay down and die in the last game a good team give that effort they gave in the last game. Where was the Captain in the season!!! The Rangers biggest Mastake Was Giveing Jagra the C and Not Shanahan and keeping him!! yes his legs are gone but his other skill's arent espeaically his leadership!!! Front office you have a great coaching staff now let put a team to gether built around the excellent young players you have now !!! thanks Ranger fan since 1967 yea old right!! yes the Rangers are all 2nd/3rd line player, all the defencemen play the puck and not the man except Garide, and as for the powerplay once the puck went to the point all the forward were all on one side of the net and not in some form of a triangel around the net the puck was shot wide so many time’s that there wasnt anyone there for a tip in!! if those things were accomplished there would have been more goals but one other thing not only the Rangers, Ive noticed that all around the NHL so many shots are wide or like the Rangers many shots are rushed!! so there blocked easily as for the Rangers many are just flat out Telegraghed gaint windups when a snapshot would do perfectly instead of the big slapshot. the best players have the whole arsenal, ie wrist, snap, slap, and the most inportant the back hander that i could remember the couches coaching me stressed so much, only if one player on the Rangers had these quailities what a better team they would be but still no Stanley Cup Team!!!! I give them creidt though they just didnt lay down and die in the last game a good team give that effort they gave in the last game. Where was the Captain in the season!!! The Rangers biggest Mastake Was Giveing Jagra the C and Not Shanahan and keeping him!! yes his legs are gone but his other skill’s arent espeaically his leadership!!! Front office you have a great coaching staff now let put a team to gether built around the excellent young players you have now !!! thanks Ranger fan since 1967 yea old right!!

]]> By: Joey Briggs http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2009/04/29/analysis-doesnt-go-deep/#comment-179123 Joey Briggs Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:47:33 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/?p=4053#comment-179123 Thanks for all your work this year Rick! Your blog definately kept me captivated all year long! I just want to point out that I went an awesome 7-1 in series. Guess which series I predicted wrong? ugh... my own team letting me down from going 8-0! Thanks for all your work this year Rick! Your blog definately kept me captivated all year long! I just want to point out that I went an awesome 7-1 in series. Guess which series I predicted wrong? ugh… my own team letting me down from going 8-0!

]]> By: Rick Carpiniello http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2009/04/29/analysis-doesnt-go-deep/#comment-179122 Rick Carpiniello Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:47:02 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/?p=4053#comment-179122 New post. New post.

]]> By: Rick Carpiniello http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2009/04/29/analysis-doesnt-go-deep/#comment-179121 Rick Carpiniello Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:44:46 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/?p=4053#comment-179121 I think they'd like to keep Antropov, but it depends on the cost. I doubt he'll take a discount to stay. I think they’d like to keep Antropov, but it depends on the cost. I doubt he’ll take a discount to stay.

]]> By: Joseph C http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2009/04/29/analysis-doesnt-go-deep/#comment-179120 Joseph C Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:47:05 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/?p=4053#comment-179120 Carp what are the odds that Nik Antropov is in a Ranger uniform next season? I love what he brings to the team. Carp what are the odds that Nik Antropov is in a Ranger uniform next season? I love what he brings to the team.

]]> By: Joe in DE http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2009/04/29/analysis-doesnt-go-deep/#comment-179118 Joe in DE Thu, 30 Apr 2009 06:35:55 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/?p=4053#comment-179118 There needs to be a serious shake-up in the line up, otherwise, the same issues will plague us next year. Zherdev, the incredible disappearing Russian, can go. But do they try to sign Antropov? Naslund needs to go, and honestly, I think they should ask Drury to waive his no movement clause. His performance on the ice is not up to snuff, and his leadership isn't getting it done either. But who do you go after to be the legit #1 scorer we so desperately need? Kovalchuk? made of glass Gaborik? I'd gladly dump pretty much anyone not named Dubinsky, Callahan or Staal for someone like Kovalchuk. The situation on D is grim. Redden is anything but the savior he was intended to be, and his contract is immovable. He needs to be waived or bought out. Rozsival's contract is barely movable, but without him, now who QB's the PP? I know he gets a lot flack, but he does have a great shot when he uses it, and overall I think his skills are under-appreciated. Staal and Giradi are great shut-down guys, but there is no offense from the backline. Mara can't hit the net with his cannon. What makes us think that Gilroy is NHL ready? Maybe Del Zotto or Sangs? Even if they are ready, we're gonna have to live with defensive gaffes and growing pains, which wouldn't be so bad if we had a stellar offense to compensate. There needs to be a serious shake-up in the line up, otherwise, the same issues will plague us next year. Zherdev, the incredible disappearing Russian, can go. But do they try to sign Antropov? Naslund needs to go, and honestly, I think they should ask Drury to waive his no movement clause. His performance on the ice is not up to snuff, and his leadership isn’t getting it done either. But who do you go after to be the legit #1 scorer we so desperately need? Kovalchuk? made of glass Gaborik? I’d gladly dump pretty much anyone not named Dubinsky, Callahan or Staal for someone like Kovalchuk.

The situation on D is grim. Redden is anything but the savior he was intended to be, and his contract is immovable. He needs to be waived or bought out. Rozsival’s contract is barely movable, but without him, now who QB’s the PP? I know he gets a lot flack, but he does have a great shot when he uses it, and overall I think his skills are under-appreciated. Staal and Giradi are great shut-down guys, but there is no offense from the backline. Mara can’t hit the net with his cannon. What makes us think that Gilroy is NHL ready? Maybe Del Zotto or Sangs? Even if they are ready, we’re gonna have to live with defensive gaffes and growing pains, which wouldn’t be so bad if we had a stellar offense to compensate.

]]> By: JamesG http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2009/04/29/analysis-doesnt-go-deep/#comment-179117 JamesG Thu, 30 Apr 2009 05:59:44 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/?p=4053#comment-179117 Carp- Couldn't find your email off hand and figured you'd probably see it sooner in here so here it goes- I just wanted to say thank you for coming in mid season to take over for Sam and doing such an excellent job along with Jane. I hope we get to keep you guys around for a full season next year. As I said after I started following your articles years back- you are the best. Thanks again. Regards, James G. Harrison, NY Carp-

Couldn’t find your email off hand and figured you’d probably see it sooner in here so here it goes- I just wanted to say thank you for coming in mid season to take over for Sam and doing such an excellent job along with Jane. I hope we get to keep you guys around for a full season next year. As I said after I started following your articles years back- you are the best. Thanks again.

Regards,

James G.
Harrison, NY

]]> By: benneyb http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2009/04/29/analysis-doesnt-go-deep/#comment-179116 benneyb Thu, 30 Apr 2009 04:43:23 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/?p=4053#comment-179116 Another thing I think some of you guys miss in Torts benching of Avery is the long term view - there was no way in HELL the Rangers were making real noise in the playoffs this year, due to the shortfall in skill. It doesn't really matter when we lose, as eventually it was inevitable. Torts was sending an accountability message there, with the message targeted for and the payoff coming next year. The guy is a Stanley Cup winning coach people, and is perfect for this organization. Name a reasonable alternative? With a full season to work with this team, including a training camp, only then can we begin to judge Torts' results. Laying the groundwork for accountability next year began with Game 6 this year. Another thing I think some of you guys miss in Torts benching of Avery is the long term view – there was no way in HELL the Rangers were making real noise in the playoffs this year, due to the shortfall in skill. It doesn’t really matter when we lose, as eventually it was inevitable. Torts was sending an accountability message there, with the message targeted for and the payoff coming next year. The guy is a Stanley Cup winning coach people, and is perfect for this organization. Name a reasonable alternative? With a full season to work with this team, including a training camp, only then can we begin to judge Torts’ results. Laying the groundwork for accountability next year began with Game 6 this year.

]]> By: benneyb http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2009/04/29/analysis-doesnt-go-deep/#comment-179115 benneyb Thu, 30 Apr 2009 04:38:27 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/?p=4053#comment-179115 Got home late last night from a high school softball twinbill. You guys think its frustrating watching the Rangers antics? You should try watching what could be a decent girls SB team ruined by totally inept coaching. Girls SB is big in this part of NJ. But I digress! First, have to send big props and thanks to Jane and Carp for their incredible work on the Blog here. Carp says he's not really a "fan", but to me, only a fan could put in that much effort! As I said a few weeks ago, while wishing otherwise, Sather is a barnacle, and is stuck to the USS NYRANGERS until further notice. But, he HAS to stop throwing ridiculous money at average (or worse!) players and learn to play hardball in negotiations. If we could get Cally and Dubi for 1.5 - 2.0mm per for 2-3 years, that's a good start. Qualify Z and hope someone signs him and we get the picks. At least one of those contracts (Gomez, Drury, Redden) has to go, plus dump Rozi and Nazzy, even for picks. Man, I hope Sather can get creative in his old age. Got home late last night from a high school softball twinbill. You guys think its frustrating watching the Rangers antics? You should try watching what could be a decent girls SB team ruined by totally inept coaching. Girls SB is big in this part of NJ.

But I digress!

First, have to send big props and thanks to Jane and Carp for their incredible work on the Blog here. Carp says he’s not really a “fan”, but to me, only a fan could put in that much effort!

As I said a few weeks ago, while wishing otherwise, Sather is a barnacle, and is stuck to the USS NYRANGERS until further notice. But, he HAS to stop throwing ridiculous money at average (or worse!) players and learn to play hardball in negotiations. If we could get Cally and Dubi for 1.5 – 2.0mm per for 2-3 years, that’s a good start. Qualify Z and hope someone signs him and we get the picks. At least one of those contracts (Gomez, Drury, Redden) has to go, plus dump Rozi and Nazzy, even for picks.

Man, I hope Sather can get creative in his old age.

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