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You have to love John Tortorella’s honesty.

“The regular season stinks,” Tortorella said. “It gets boring and this is the time of year where now the lights at the end of the tunnel, the playoffs are right there and we got less than a quarter. This is the fun time because its a dogfight every night and trying to get in, and then the real stuff happens — playoffs.”

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That was the theme today at an optional pre-game skate at Nassau Coliseum before they take on the Islanders at 7 p.m. Newcomers Nik Antropov, Derek Morris and Sean Avery were on the ice even though Torts let assistant Jim Schoenfeld handle the practice.

“It’s a new chapter of my life,” said Antropov, a tall glass of water at  6-foot-6. “It’s nice to be with the Rangers, an Original Six team, a great organization.”


Even Torts says he is having a good time in his — is this really just his second week here? — short time coaching the Rangers.

“It’s been a blast,” Tortorella said. “It’s something I love to do and I am one of the fortunate ones that I get another chance at it especially with this organization here, the Rangers.”

Morris, who was paired with his former Phoenix defense partner Paul Mara in the optional skate, said he was nervous coming here because, “Phoenix is laid back compared to New York.”

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Steve Zipay of Newsday is reporting that the conditional pick in the Antropov deal is a fourth-rounder if the Rangers get past the second round of the playoffs. He also reports that Philadelphia was heavily in the mix for Morris.

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  1. BillyDeeWilliams on

    So Torts says the regular season stinks and it gets boring. I’m hoping people lambast him on here like they did when Drury made a comment similar to this.

    but i doubt that will happen.

  2. accdg to Zipay………

    The conditional draft pick in the Antropov trade? Confirmed: It’s a fourth rounder in 2010 if the Rangers get through two playoff rounds.

    Philadelphia was the prime competitor in the Morris hunt: They were offering Scottie Upshall and Matt Carle.

    My presumption is: Antropov will play on the second line with Drury at center and Dubinsky on the left. Avery will be the third line left wing with Korpikoski and Callahan. Fourth line status quo: Sjostrom-Betts-Orr.

    …………………………………….

    wow. if philly was offering Carle and Upshall, then it does not look like the rangers offer was too outrageous at all

  3. Hockeyman Rangers on

    WOW!! I am surprised they were giving the option to skate this morning. You might think that they would want to get a practice in with all the newbies. I hope they all have their lines and positions set, ike Nast says there is no time to waste. Things are getting tighter and tighter for the palyoffs. No time to even think they all should be 100% ready now, which means they should have had a good practice this morning.

  4. Doodie Machetto on

    “Philadelphia was the prime competitor in the Morris hunt: They were offering Scottie Upshall and Matt Carle.”

    Think about this: Maloney turned that down in favor of Prucha and Dawes. What does that tell you about Prucha and Dawes, from a guy who has REALLY seen them up close and personal?

    I posted this at the faceoff blog:

    “Carp, I will compare the Prucha deal to Middleton. While I’m at it, I’ll compare it to Weight, Savard, and Knuble.

    Did you know that Petr Puck had more goals and points in his first 2 years on Broadway than Weight, Savard, and Knuble? Did you know he also had more goals than Middleton?

    He scored 30 in the first year, 16 on the PP with Jagr. Then in the second year, when he saw no time with Jagr, and barely any time on the ice, he had 22. Real stat: That year, Prucha had the most goals out of any player in the NHL averaging 13 minutes of ice time or less per game. The only guy with more points was Corey Perry. Perry’s ice time went up the next season and look what he did. Prucha’s ice time not only decreased, but he spent most of last season on the 4th line with Betts and Orr. Yeah, that’s how you put a guy in a position to succeed.”

    Thoughts?

  5. “Well get used to it Derek. We don’t have time for nervous right now.”

    Well said Nasty…

    Excatly my thoughts when I read that.

  6. I will say that I disagree with Torts. the reg season has its lulls, peaks and valleys, but it is not boring to me.

    and I don’t know how Torts can say that when he has not been coaching all season. maybe he was bored with the TV stuff. I think that is more probable than him being bored with the games.

  7. it tells me that Maloney is still as clueless as when he recommended they take Jessiman

  8. Doodie Machetto on

    “WOW!! I am surprised they were giving the option to skate this morning. You might think that they would want to get a practice in with all the newbies. ”

    Practice is tonight.

  9. turcotte

    haha

    just hoping all this ice time pays off, he’s obviously Tort’s pet…

    Thanks for the Burke quote. As I was telling ORR yesterday, I can’t wrap my feeble brain around his moves/intentions. A thousand goalies….
    If you pull 2 Dman can you add an extra keeper?

  10. Maybe Torts meant it in a fans point of view, it can get boring.

    Lol, I love this guy, he sure does know Nyr fans. I WAS bored with this team for the longest time, until he came in and replaced Renney.

    BILLY

    What was it that Dru said ?? Blowing a 4 goal lead isn’t gonna ruin his christmas, and that he’s happy with the 1 POINT !! Oh yeah, what a true leader, one of the all time great leaders in the game today.

    I would have loved to hear what Torts would say after that game.

    Anyway, i cant wait to see the new guys tonight, along with Aves, it should be great. Time cant move any slower than it has already.

  11. Hockeyman Rangers on

    Doodie

    Let’s hope the Rangers are not thinking like that we will certainly loose then. The fish sticks have been playing better as of late. Hope fully we will get the 2 points we need.
    Can’t let up for one second, practice, games or tapes.
    Got a go go go.

  12. Maloney was just on NHL Live, and he said he still thinks they are in the playoff chase. man, he really is clueless

  13. Makes me psyched to learn that Morris and Mara played together. That could be a steadying influence. Mara has been so solid and is a great Ranger, who values the jersey in a huge way.

  14. turcottelives on

    jeffluke

    burke is sneaky as hell, but in a way that helps his teams. toskala went down for the season yesterday, and pogge isn’t an NHL goalie yet. So they got gerber and tellqvist for a little tandem/competition. I have no idea what’s going on with cujo.

    as far as the kolzig deal, he’s done for the year and probably going to retire. Heward has concussion problems, and is probably going to retire. petiot and rogers are essentially a meaningless minor league flip, but they are the reason the deal was approved by the NHL, cause both are healthy.

    So what burke did was absorb heward and kolzig’s contracts for the rest of the season in exchange for that 4th round pick. much like the malakhov and and a first rounder to the sharks a couple years ago. its paying someone (who can afford it) to absorb your cap hit.

    Now comes the shady part. Why would a basement dweller like TB need someone to absorb cap money if they’re clearly not making the playoffs? especially when both players they are trading away would have their contracts gone next year anyway? Revenue sharing. TB sheds salary, and ends up with a bigger slice of the revenue sharing pie. More money for them. Draft pick for Brian Burke.

    gotta love the new NHL…

  15. BillyDeeWilliams on

    ORR

    Not arguing whether or not Drury is a good leader. I’m just pointing out hypocrisy when i see it.

    drury got slammed on here for saying:
    “It’s the other down times when you feel like the season’s dragging and there’s no end in sight when you lose focus a little more.”

    Torts is making a very similar statement and no one will touch it.

  16. BillyDeeWilliams on

    And he actually said that the day before the game against the caps where they blew the huge lead.

  17. Our playoffs begins today, We need to play every game like its your last. We need to win every game, there is no excuses.

  18. Billy,
    I didn’t see anyone slam drury for that statement. I’m going to side with Orr and say MOST people slammed him for the “i’ll take one point” comment. I’m not sure about the one you’re referring too.

    Can’t wait to see Avery and Antropov as Rangers tonight.

    * BillyDeeWilliams:
    drury got slammed on here for saying:
    “It’s the other down times when you feel like the season’s dragging and there’s no end in sight when you lose focus a little more.”

  19. So is it confirmed that Avery, Antropov and Morris will all be playing tonight?

  20. Doodie Machetto on

    Chris, they played together 3 years ago for less than 70 games. I’m not even sure how many of those games they were even paired together. But at most, 70 games 3 years ago isn’t much.

    Josh, mathematically, they’re very much in the hunt. 9 points isn’t an impossible deficit to overcome in the last 19 games of the season. Rattle off a couple of 5 or 6 game win streaks and you’re right back in the thick of things. Improbable, but not impossible.

    But when you trade away your second best player (Jokinen), it ain’t happenin.

  21. Rokoukic,

    If they don’t play, who would? We traded or waived all the other guys that could step in and play if the three newbies can’t or don’t dress.

  22. they have 6 other teams better than they are to climb over. it is not just 9 pts. it is 6 other teams. that won’t happen, and everybody knows it.

  23. Turcotte

    Wow. Thanks for the analysis. I definately have some holes in my NHL knowledge. I know the game well, and I know my way around the league in terms of player personnel, but the nitty-gritty business side and the fine print specifics of the CBA are absolute weak spots of mine.

    You gave a theory as to why TB would get rid of salaries they’re losing anyway, but why would Toronto accept more salary in a year when they’re clearly not trying to make the playoffs? Cause they’re a big market team that wants a 4th round pick?

    Could anyone reccomend any books/articles about GM’ing/CBA in the current NHL?

    I just read Moneyball (profiling billy beane and the Oakland A’s) and would love to find a high caliber NHL equivalent, though I doubt it exists.

  24. The good thing aboot trading Dawes, Pruchs, Fritsche, and doing what ever we’re doing with Bell, and Voros. It gives a kid an actual chance to come up, and play if someone’s injured. Artie has more of a shot, cause nobody is standing in his way, same for any other forward down at the farm. I still miss Pruchs though, i would have at least taken him on the 4th line over Shoes.

    And i agree with Kaspar. If Nyr doesn’t win this, and i don’t mean 2-1, in a shootout, or OT, im talking 4-0, 5-1, or something like that, then it’s still a problem. They need to treat these weak teams like nerds, and fuggin bully them around. Enough said.

    And Orr needs to knock out that loser Jackman. I hate these people that think they’re tough cause the coach tells them they are, just like Rupp, and look what happened to him, Orr finally got passed that reach that Rupp was hiding behind, and he knocked his ass out !

    And Aves needs to destroy the Isles, and pick on Bailey.

  25. Doodie Machetto on

    6 other teams, 2 of which are in the middle of big losing streaks. So if they keep sliding that’s only 4. Two of the others have been playing about .500 hockey, both in their division, so if the Yotes get hot take the remaining games between them, they can pass them easily.

    That’s only 2 teams left. Both have been playing very well lately, But they’re both in the central division. No way the entire Central Division makes the playoffs, so one of them will be out just from them beating on each other. So that’s one team left.

    One team to worry about if they can rattle off 14 wins in their last 19 games. As I said, improbable, not impossible.

    But, by trading Jokinen, they have no chance of that happening, at all.

  26. What a weird Rangers era we’re in, look at the changes in the past two years in the roster…what about the last two weeks?

    And you can’t begin to predict whatsoever what a team that has changed this much before playoff time will do…

    But, always be wary of an organization that has only 5 drafted players on their team…yikes

  27. I remember a real quick flare-up amongst NHL GMs/talking heads when Loe Lam unloaded Malokhov on Sanjose to get under the cap to start the 2005-06 season….he gave them a 1st rnd pick and then he put another big hit on season ending IR (Mogilny??)

    Just as quickly as people complained they shut up and the followin year you have Atlanta “trading” a pick for Tkachuk at the deadline and then “trading” Tkachuk back to Stloui on the eve of free agency for the pick…the Blues could have just waited a week and signed Tkachuk for nothing..but…wink wink conspiracies abound between these cretin GMs and crooked owners…

    If the union had any real ba**ls they would have had Burke muzzled when he went on and on about what K-Lowe did on the Penner RFA offer..perfectly legal and negotiated in the CBA

    dont put anything past these crooks

  28. Thief!
    “Torts Reform”, thanks for reading OutSideTheGarden.com and taking the forum name they had up for a few weeks now. Be more original.

  29. you are laughable, doodie. you just conveniently failed to mention that the toyotes are 3-7 in their last ten games, and THAT is the worst record of all those teams you mentioned, except LA, which is also dead

  30. Garry…Torts reform?

    Nobody would think of that! ( Larry Brooks, TSN, you, me, Carp, Torts, MAKO, CCCP, Beer me!…no not Beer me! but Spiderpig, Salty, Nasty1…..

  31. I keep thinking back to that game where we got a point after losing in a shootout or in OT, and Drury in the locker room said, that one point could put us in the playoffs. Well, I keep having this re occuring daymare that we miss the playoffs by one point. I don’t think we will miss the playoffs, but wouldn’t that be a damn shame if it was by one point?

  32. Nasty 1
    March 5th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
    I keep thinking back to that game where we got a point after losing in a shootout or in OT, and Drury in the locker room said, that one point could put us in the playoffs. Well, I keep having this re occuring daymare that we miss the playoffs by one point. I don’t think we will miss the playoffs, but wouldn’t that be a damn shame if it was by one point?

    *********

    This is the time of the year I repeat the mantra “Dont cry over 17th place teams” over and over again

    because if they dont make it that means they are 17th place..and to hell with them then…lucky they arent a baseball or football team theyd be out of contention already…32-32

  33. Really late breaking news just hit the NHL wires :

    The Maple Leafs just signed Goalies Dan Bouchard and Gilles Melloche and they are now in talks with Mike Palmateer, as they wait to see if he will come out retirement.

    More news to follow.

  34. Prucha to Phoenix is the worst trade since Vancouver dealt Neely to Boston.

    Doodie, you made some good points and I personally think including Prucha in the deal for Morris might have been too much, but let’s be serious – this is very, very far from a Middleton or Neely type deal and I will explain why.

    First off though, I’m going to miss Prucha. He played with heart and when placed on top lines with top talent, was a very productive player for this organization. I consider him one of the integral players of an 05-06 team that brought the Rangers back from the dead and reinvigorated the passion of us fans. I hated the fact that Renney constantly held him back or sat him because he was “too small” or “tired easily” to play guys like Aaron Voros or Adam Hall or Marcel Hossa. I hated the fact that he was so successful on the PP his first two seasons and wasn’t given a chance – not even on the second unit.

    However, Prucha is not even close to being a game-changer or top six forward. Prucha is a complementary player who does well ONLY when playing with top talent. I took a look at his 22 goal season – where he had the most goals of any player averaging 13 minutes of ice time. Here is what I found:

    TOTAL: 22 goals (14 even strength, 8 on power play)

    Jaromir Jagr got the primary assist on nine (9) of Prucha’s goals [includes 5 on the PP]. Pretty nice to have one of the game’s greatest feeding you directly.

    Thirteen (13) of Prucha’s goals were assisted by Jagr, Shanahan, Straka, and Nylander ? all of whom had 60+ point seasons (would be 70+ if Shanahan didn’t have that awful collision with Mike Knuble).

    The point of this whole thing: Prucha is a nice complementary player – there are hundreds like him in the league and probably several in our own system. Renney definitely should have played him more when Jagr was here. However, Petr is not going to turn into a 30-goal scorer again unless he plays with another superstar (ie. Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin…Jagr). This Rangers team, save Lundqvist, doesn’t have any forward even close to being an all-star let alone the generational talent to elevate Prucha and, with several bad contracts, will not have one any time soon. So why not trade the guy for someone who can (hopefully) help the team down the stretch and into the playoffs? Again, I’m sad to see Prucha go, but we didn’t lose anything special…just another 3rd-4th liner who plays well with Jaromir Jagr. We’re not going to look back ten years from now and say: “Why the hell did we ever trade that guy?!” If it turns out that way, you can find me and I’ll buy you a case of your favorite beer and will apologize.

    Also, the reason Maloney turned down Upshall/Carle combo from Philly is because Carle is set to make $3.5 and $3.8 million over the next two years (something a team in financial trouble probably does not want to pay), whereas Prucha is a UFA, Dawes is an RFA who will sign for cheap, and Kalinin is a UFA. Clearly, he did not turn down the Philly deal because Prucha and Dawes are better players – he did so because they are short-term, cheap labor and because he drafted them.

    Maloney is predisposed to “his guys.” He was so hyped about Al Montoya that he traded for him the first chance he got. Montoya’s stats this year; in the AHL: 4-14-2 with a 3.60 GAA. Hardly something to be excited about. Maloney definitely knows more about hockey than I, or anyone else here, will ever know. But, you cannot argue with the fact that he is stubborn and will always take “his guys” over anyone else. That is why he turned down Upshall/Carle for the Prucha/Dawes/Kalinin package.

  35. « March 2009 »

    5 at NYI – 7:00 pm

    8 vs Bos – 12:30 pm

    9 at Car – 7:00 pm

    12 at Nsh – 8:00 pm

    14 at Phi – 1:00 pm

    15 vs Phi – 12:30 pm

    17 at Mon – 7:30 pm

    21 vs Buf – 7:00 pm

    22 vs Ott – 7:00 pm

    24 vs Min – 7:00 pm

    26 at Atl – 7:00 pm

    28 at Pit – 1:00 pm

    30 vs NJ – 7:00 pm

    April 2009 »

    2 at Car – 7:00 pm

    4 at Bos – 1:00 pm

    7 vs Mon – 7:00 pm

    9 vs Phi – 7:00 pm

    12 at Phi – 5:00 pm

    ————————————————-

    ………………………………………………

    tough schedule.

    4 big games vs the philthy flyers

  36. “Mike D.
    March 5th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
    Wow, that was long. Sorry guys!”

    Yes, but a good read!

  37. Kaspar March 5th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
    Garry…Torts reform?
    Nobody would think of that! ( Larry Brooks, TSN, you, me, Carp, Torts, MAKO, CCCP, Beer me!…no not Beer me! but Spiderpig, Salty, Nasty1…..

    +++++++++++

    Kaspar, c’mon man… where is the ANALYSIS HERE?! Where is the consideration for other writers?! Sure Larry Brooks is full of crap from time to time but he works for NY Post! If he wasn’t he would definitely do well as a hot dog vendor on Willoughby street in Downtown Brooklyn… so kaspar, there is still a chance for to make our mark in the world controlled by media… if not on this blog then maybe on Kingsborough Community College Radio :)

  38. Doodie Machetto on

    “you are laughable, doodie. you just conveniently failed to mention that the toyotes are 3-7 in their last ten games, and THAT is the worst record of all those teams you mentioned, except LA, which is also dead”

    Dude, all I’m saying is that IF they play really well over the last 19 games, it would still be possible. I’m not saying that are going to play well (in fact, I’ve said it is impossible without Jokinen). I’m not even saying that they would DEFINITELY make the playoffs even if they played really well over the last 19.

    All I’m saying is that it would be POSSIBLE for them to make the playoffs if they had a great run down the stretch.

    Take some reading comprehension classes man. That’s all I’ve said all along.

  39. Doodie Machetto on

    Mike, great post. Time will tell with Prucha, but that was the best response to what I’ve been saying about him, by far.

  40. Hockeyman Rangers on

    Mike D I can’t read all that you know hockey fans have a limited attention span. Just kidding y’all.

    Is Zherduv ever going to do something??? He sticks handles like _ell but that’s the end of it??? I don’t dislike him, he seems to be trying HOWEVER……..

    I know, I know as soon as we trade him he will start scoring.

  41. exactly, Orr. the Phoenix Toyotes

    small and compact

    I comprehend quite well what you are writing , doodie. you are hoping for a miracle. if they make the playoffs, I’ll buy you a Toyote ( not a car, a small player)

  42. Oh people! Quick your overreacting and disecting of every move this team makes.

    Prucha is a player I will miss because of his heart. But he lacks size and gets his butt kicked every night. You could see that. Dawes has some good nights. But most times is invisble.

    The trades made were good ones. Address 2 of the 3 needs. The third being an elite goal scorer. But there were none availble that we could get anyway.

    Calling the trade of Prucha “the worst trade since..”. Man people here just like to complain about the team no matter what.

    I mean unless the Rangers traded Redden for Ovechkin, I swear no trade is good enough. Maloney wanted Prucha over Upshall because he has seen him play. It’s easier to play with what you know than something you don’t.

  43. Doodie, you hit the nail on the head dude!

    PRUCHA!!!! God, I’m gonna miss screaming that.

  44. Doodie Machetto on

    josh, I’m not even hoping. I was just saying that Maloney isn’t a joke for saying his team still has a shot at the playoffs. They do. It’s an incredibly long one, but if they play well they stand a good chance.

    Of course, the biggest if in that sentence is IF they play well. Which they won’t. They’re finished. Might as well tank it and hope to hit it big with Tavares.

  45. I love how Torterella is going to waste Dubi and Antropov on knumbn-ts Chris DRURY! That being said, maybe Torteralla’s trying to make Drury better because this clown hasn’t shown up since January 16th against Chicago… umm. Captain?!

    I hope it works, that’s all i say. But if Drury continues being, well, DRURY, put him on a line with Orr and Shoestrom and promote Betts! Hahah…this is a joke, sorta.

  46. Doodie, that’s still 70 more games than most new defensive pairings have ever played together and it means that they know each other personally, which is important, since Mara will probably be more likely to stay on a new guy if he knows him and the guy doesn’t play with adequate heart, It’s an upside. It may not be a career-long love affair, but it’s good.

  47. HOCKEYMAN

    Nicky Z got a goal and an assist in the last game, so hopefully he’s gonna put some points up now that he’s playing in a different system. Everyone that is.

    Im anxious to see how Dru, and Gomer play, they finally scored a goal each the last game. They’re making a shitload of money, and they haven’t earned it, but this is the time where you start. We need them to get it together and lead this team into the playoffs.

    And hopefully not fall asleep like they did in round two, cause we don’t have Jags to save our asses like last year.

  48. UESBlueshirt on

    I thougth Dubi played pretty well with Drury. Drury is responsible enough in his own end to allow Dubi more room to roam and carry the puck. Plus Drury’s best scoring area is from the slot and Dubi likes to work around the boards and behind the net in the offensive zone, seems like a good compliment to me.

    Hopefully his goal against the Avs gets him going. We all know he can’t got 0 for the rest of the season (like his recently ended 0 for 18 drought) for the Rangers to have any shot at the playoffs.

  49. Doodie Machetto on

    Looking at the current bottom 5 NHL teams in the Tavares sweepstakes:

    If Colorado gets Tavares, they will have a great 1-2 down the middle in a couple of years between Stastny and Tavares.

    If the Islanders get Tavares, he will immediately become their best player, and that’s not a good thing.

    If Atlanta gets Tavares, Kovalchuk will consider resigning at the end of 2010.

    If Ottawa gets Tavares, they will try endlessly to move Spezza’s bloated contract.

    If Tampa gets the #1 pick, they will still be completely without defense. I think they would pass on him and take Hedman instead. Maybe trade down to the #2 pick.

    Bonus, since I don’t think Tampa would take him, and in honor of Mike Cammaleri and Patrick O’Sullivan:

    If the Kings get Tavares, we can just wait a few years for them to trade him for a song.

  50. In Drury’s two seasons here he has proven to be an inconsistent player at best. Fine for a 3rd liner, because 3rd lines are never consistent anyway. But he is expected to be more, and the sad truth is that he is not good enough to live up to that. But we’ll see what happens.

  51. RE: Brian Burke from the Toronto Star

    In one of the more creative deals of the day, Burke essentially traded cap space to Tampa for a fourth-round pick. The Leafs sent the Lightning minor-league defenceman Richard Petiot for three injured players with expiring contracts (goaltender Olaf Kolzig, Jamie Heward and Andy Rogers) plus a fourth-round pick. For covering off the remainder of those contracts, an amount in the area of $500,000, the Leafs get that additional pick.

    He also didn’t take on any additional contracts that carry into next season, so he should have about $17 million (all figures U.S.) to spend this summer even though he already has 16 players under contract. That should allow for some quick rebuilding either through free agency or the ability to trade for contracts.

  52. It amazes me how much the Rangers are despised around the NHL. This from The Hockey News “Team-by-team Grading at the Deadline”:

    NEW YORK RANGERS
    Additions: Mark Bell, C (Toronto); Sean Avery, C (Dallas); Nik Antropov, RW (Toronto); Derek Morris, D (Phoenix)

    Deletions: Erik Reitz, D (Toronto); 2009 second round draft pick (Toronto); 2009 conditional draft pick (Toronto); Nigel Dawes, LW (Phoenix); Petr Prucha, RW (Phoenix); Dmitri Kalinin, D (Phoenix)

    Bottom Line: Is there any rhyme or reason in any moves Glen Sather makes these days? He plucks Bell and Avery off waivers when no other organization would touch them; he deals for a defenseman in Morris who likely won’t be around next season and is a minus-13 this year; and he brings in a forward in Antropov who arguably is the most streaky scorer on that team (and that’s saying something). Sather truly is putting the “blue” in blueprint.

    Grade: D+

    First of all, if this were ANY OTHER TEAM IN THE NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE, the addition of Antropov would be praised. He’s a big body with skill who was lost on a team like Toronto. He’s a UFA, so the Rangers aren’t locking themselves into anything if he disappoints. The Rangers needed size, and a guy who could put the puck in the net. Antropov won’t solve the scoring woes on his own, but he’ll certainly kick in 7-10 goals down the stretch here, I’d imagine.

    Opinions about Morris are varied, but he’s CERTAINLY BETTER THAN DMITRI KALININ!!!! And again, the Rangers are not locked in because he’s a UFA at the end of the year as well.

    Hmm, so the Rangers upgrade their team and receive a grade of D+ from The Hockey News. Far and away the worst grade given to any of the 30 teams, of course.

    So here’s a question…why are the Rangers so despised around the NHL??? It’s not like they’ve won a lot of Cups…it just strikes me as odd. Is it just people being envious of NYC?

  53. Isn’t the hockey news canadian?

    Canadians HATE Sean Avery. All of Toronto (and much of canada because they are leafs fans) hates Antropov.

    Not surprised they hate Sather’s moves, a friend of their enemis is still their enemy.

  54. Doodie Machetto on

    “Opinions about Morris are varied, but he’s CERTAINLY BETTER THAN DMITRI KALININ!!!! And again, the Rangers are not locked in because he’s a UFA at the end of the year as well.”

    Kalinin was a lot better since his return from injury than he was before he got hurt. Not saying he was good, but definitely better.

    And even if Morris is an upgrade over Kalinin, is he better than Kalinin, Dawes, and Prucha? Not so easy to say.

    Besides, Kalinin was just a throw in to make the cap numbers work.

    D+? No. I think C is a better grade.

  55. Hockeyman, most morning skates (day of game) are optional. They can’t have a full workout before a game.
    Doodie, I just meant, let’s see what Prucha turns out to be. The Rangers apparently judged that he is a player they probably wouldn’t have re-signed. Not saying they’re right or wrong, just that you’d think (or hope) they have a better idea than we do.
    Kaspar, were you taking attendance?
    CCCP, I still have no clue what you meant on the other thread.

  56. Rob C

    I think everyone hates Sather and the factor in that our ex-coach was one of those pleasant interviews and he got fired media people hate that!!…universally the NHL media has said “poor Tom” or “the wrong guy got the ax”…we here watching him coach like a chicken know the blame is on Sather for the roster and the cap snafu but the blame for how they played is on Renney

  57. Hockeyman Rangers on

    ROB C
    I have also noticed the same thing, when a Ranger game is aired on Versus or what should be a neutral station, the announcers are always for the oppisite team.

  58. Is Tim Jackman in tonight for the Iceholes? I want to see Colton Orr beat on someone and I dont think the there is any one on that roster who drops gloves

  59. they hate the Rangers because they used to spend over $70 mill per year on player salaries, and that is what helped bring on the lockout. of course, the Red Wings did it as well, but they don’t hate them. I guess small town jealousy is part of it too

  60. I was watching a Ranger- Buffalo game one night and the Sabes announcers kept saying how dissapointing the Rangers season had been ( at the time they were 2 Pts up on Buff) and it was dissapointing because of “all the money” they spent

    At the time the payrolls were 55M NYR and 52M buff…its just a perception left over from the pre-lockout days…they treat NYR like they are the Yankees or something

  61. Billy Dee

    I take your point, but I saw a difference between Drury’s take in December, which was seeming to make an excuse for something that had just taken place in the present, and Tortorells’s take today, which serves to remove any and all reasons for less than great efforts every night in the future.

  62. 21 game season
    18 games left
    36 points up for grabs

    we are 1-1-1

    Let’s all just look at it form this point of view shall we?

    as far as the trades and who we sent away; the milk is spilled, the cats out of the bag, and Torts banged your wife while you watched and chanted “GO! GO! GO!”

    One pant leg at a time, so lets beat the crap out of the Guerinless, Parkless, Weightless, Fishsticks and turn this ship around!!

    Im gonna make my first EVER prediction for tonights game:
    Rangers win, 4-2

  63. Hockeyman Rangers on

    Rick I understand that they don’t usually have a full blown practice. HOWEVER we just added 3 new players you would of thunk a full attendance paractice wouldn’t hurt. One game tonight the next not until Sunday the could have. What are they a bunch of wimps?? I diodn’t just say that, glad it’s not me out there. ha ha

  64. Simple math re: Rangers Twos weeks ago we had Prucha, Dawes, Kalinan & Renney. Now we have Antropov, Morris, Avery & Torts. More size, grit & personality, no two ways about. Re Prucha and this Man Crush love for a player. He’s gone-live with it. The sun will rise tomorrow.

  65. It’s one thing when people hate a team who traditionally wins. The Yankees, Duke Basketball, the Celtics and Lakers are often hated for this reason. The Rangers are, more or less, like the Cubs! They NEVER win.

    I don’t buy the fact that the Rangers used to spend more than anytime as a reason for hating them. It never worked! Overexpanding into places like Atlanta, Columbus, Phoenix and Florida is more a reason for the poor financial health of the league.

    I guess being in big, cosmopolitan New York City is the reason why the Rangers will never even be the “lovable losers.” It’s just funny to me because I’ve noticed that NBC, Versus, the Canadian media and basically EVERYONE who likes hockey but isn’t a Ranger fan absolutely despises the Rangers.

  66. Hockeyman Rangers on

    ROB C

    I live in PA not to far from Philly and I have NY Rangers stuff all over my truck. Believe me I get the number one sign a lot, and a lot of dirty looks. I just laugh at them.

  67. UESBlueshirt on

    I think the Canadian-based media hates the Rangers because the win in 1994 sort of gave Bettman the cojones to change the league as he saw fit.

    Early on his tenure the largest US market wins a thrilling Stanley Cup playoffs and Bettman thinks that it will spark interest in untapped markets in the US. He figured renaming and re-aligning the conferences and divisions helped produce the Rangers-Devils conference finals (while the match up was made possible because of the conference-wide format, the drama was all due to the teams).

    Tough to aruge with the results of that season from a fan perspective then they go and shoot themselves in the foot with the 94-95 lock-out.

    Later on in the decade, the Rangers up the ante in restricted FA contracts with their front loaded offer to Sakic and suddenly everyone and their mother is getting salaries that the sport could not honestly support.

    Then comes the obscene payrolls and dark playoff-less years before the lockout which the smaller market Canadian teams and their pundits like to still kick the Rangers about.

    So yeah, I think the Canadian writers like to point to the Rangers as what’s wrong with big market American teams. Ignoring the lack of success of their own franchises, especially their big 2, Montreal and Toronto, in the last 15-20 years.

  68. It’s interesting to see that Prucha and Dawes chose different numbers; I assume it was their own choosing, since their Rangers numbers were available. Prucha is now #16 and Dawes is now #14. Kalinin remains #45.

  69. The ironic part about NBC and Versus constantly ripping on the Rangers is that they both can’t stop putting them on TV. They love the fanbase (TV viewership), but then destroy the team.

  70. I think just winning tonight is not an option… to prove that this team has turned a corner they NEED to pot some goals while staying defensively responsible.

    I’ll take any win, obviosuly, but against this caliber team they should be sending a message.

  71. right. the Phoenix Smurfs are losing $40 mill per year, and getting league and city financial help. the media should be upset with them, not with teams who are actually paying the bills

  72. Rob,

    Maybe there’s some actual reasons for the hate?!

    Let’s see, Sather’s a gambler… got Antropov and Zherdev this year, two enigma’s.

    The NHL wanted to run AVERY out, Sather is giving him a chance (initially in the AHL and now back in the BIG time league).

    Sather drove the price of free agency UP the past 2 seasons with ridiculous signings! Drury, Gomez, Redden, Rozsival. Now, that’s not only a dumb move for this team, it makes the market much more in favor of the players!

    Hmmmm… let’s see, should we discuss the Rangers performance since Sather took over? Their drafting abilities (Staal and Lundqvist in 10 years!).

    So there are plenty of things to hate on Sather and the Rangers for… plenty. But I still hate on French-canadiens and Cindy Crawford so I think it’s mutual.

    Avery said it best: “Visor wearing French Canadians running around throwing big hits with nothing behind it.” He knows… *and he’s back tonight!*

  73. Look the canadian media watched Gretzky go to america , then Messier run to NY…and half his Oiler mates flee with them…big cities attract their stars…except canadien ones like Montreol- nobody wants to go there and Toronto because they usually suck

    Provincial animosities rule the roost up there and that’s where most of the national media are from

  74. Are both Prucha and Dawes gonna crack the coyotes lineup?

    They got rid of 2 forwards (carcillo, and Jokinen) and added 3 (Rangers, and Lombardi). Poor Prucha may be the odd man out!

  75. Was just pondering a Rangers vs Flyers round 1 matchup….

    Aaron Asham
    Riley Cote
    Danny Carcillo

  76. You think the flyers would play all three of those guys in a playoff series??

    We counter with Voros, Dubinsky and Sjostrom

  77. BillyDeeWilliams on

    There is serious bias on NBC and Versus…particulary when the Rangers play the Pens…but then again, in a lot of those games, the Rangers play like utter crap.

    I’d like to strangle milbury and pierre mcguire.

    It also has something to do with the fanbase. A lot of people will hate on NY teams because they believe NY fans are a-holes…which a lot of the time is true. A good chunk of NY fans have this sense of entitlement based around the city, i.e. “Because we live in the biggest, best city in the world, our sports teams are better than yours and we know more than you.”

    I live in NY and I’m a huge Rangers and Mets fan, but I still want to push a lot of other fans down a flight of stairs sometimes.

  78. Its kinda pathetic the ONLY reason prucha’s gone is because of Renney. Once Shanahan showed up, Prucha lost his role… immediately. Now that’s true even when Shanahan had like 1 goal in the final 25 games 2 years ago and very few at the end of last season.

    The point being this, had Prucha kept his spot he stays around a 20-goal scorer last year and this year. If Prucha is a 20-goal scorer (getting ice time, PP time) he doesn’t get traded. Renney deserved to be fired just for how he stunted that kid… I hope Renney gets a job in the Rangers front office so I can meet him at a game and share a piece of my mind. Oh yea, and to ask him how he did as head of “player development.” Nice job renney, what else can you fail at?

  79. Carp LOL… i am sorry man, i hope u didn’t lose any sleep over what i said at the last thread… here, this is what i said:

    Rick horoshyj maljchik = Rick is a good boy!

    Rick lyubit Rangers = Rick loves the Rangers!

    Sleep well tonight Rick. :)

    P.S. I can throw in few more if you’re interested.

  80. Don’t put Renney anywhere near a Ranger kid ever again…

    Have him run the alumni dinners or something…he can try and fit Vic Hadfield’s head thru the doorways and tone down Duguays scarf collection

  81. I cannot wait to see Torterella, Orr, Avery, Mara, Callahan, Dubinsky, Staal, and Girardi vs. John Stevens, Carcillo, Mike Richards! Oh man.

    Now, folks, that’s a huge upgrade! This (NYR) has a much different face now. Consider what would have happened if the leaders were Renney, Drury and Rozsival?! Those 3 get smacked around by the now Carcillo’d Flyers! Torterella will not have that, I love it!

    Have you all seen Carcillo’s scouting info on TSN? I’ll summarize:
    Assets: Has the potential to be the next Sean Avery.
    Flaws: Has the potential to be the next Sean Avery!

    Those 4 games are going to be fun.

  82. UESBlueshirt on

    Yeah NY teams always have targets on their backs.

    They’re viewed as the large market teams that drive up contract prices (and ticket prices). If they win then everyone says they bought the championship. If they lose they are mocked for having a high payroll and not winning a championship.

    As another Mets fan, they’ve certainly earned a bad reputation the past two seasons. However I think it wouldn’t have created nearly the media buzz if it was say the Reds/Pirates/Astros/Padres/etc. that had their seasons end that way versus a NY team.

  83. while there may be some anti-ny sentiments in canada, i think these deals were that bad in themselves and given the rangers team as a whole.

    you just knew sather was gonna be the gm to take on antropov, a player who has been streaky/lazy his entire career. burke publicly criticized this player and had absolutely no desire to resign him despite the fact that he is 6-5 and is under 30. What does that tell you about the player? He is a less talented Alexei Yashin (little taller, but never even put up close to Yashin numbers and equally as soft). GIving up a 2nd and 3rd round pick for him is a lot especially b/c realistically there is no way/reason to resign him

    Morris is another player that is a career underachiever who was not going to be resigned by his own team. Phoenix didnt want Carle’s salary clearly and they got Upshall in the other deal. This just looks like a trade for the sake of a trade. Kalinen was playing better and Morris isnt much of an upgrade offensively or defensively.

    Lastly no one thinks the rangers are any threat in the playoffs, so this makes the deals even worse. The rangers are fighting to evenqualify for the playoffs and these trades dont improve our chances that much. There is no method to Sather’s madness, he does just grab at straws, that is why these moves and sather were so highly criticized

  84. Now that he & Renney are both gone: can we get the REAL story on the saga w/ Prucha??? Thanks.

  85. Minny fans not happy, and I don’t blame them

    ………………………………………………….

    Any team more or less makes a covenant with its fans to do the absolute best it can. In the case of the fans, they have shown incredible devotion and dedication to the Minnesota Wild selling out every home game in team history up to this point. The fans have made its merchandise amongst the top selling teams in the league, and have filled the arena to over 100% capacity for the last few seasons. That covenant is a trust between fans and ownership. The actions or in this case the inaction of this team is a huge betrayal of that trust. With the team’s fortunes this season clearly heading south, the Wild opted not to be a big seller and chose not to trade soon-to-be unrestricted free agents Stephane Veilleux, Martin Skoula, Marc-Andre Bergeron, Kurtis Foster, or star winger Marian Gaborik. It seems strange a team that will likely not qualify for the post season did not even attempt to trade off assets with the hope of acquiring picks or prospects for the future.

  86. Its an NY thing…

    Living in New England there is a mix of Yankee and Redsox fans…to hear a sox fan speak you would think that the sox never signed a free agent or hi-priced star…they have conviced themselves that the sox system built the teams of Schilling-Martinez-Ramirez-Lowell-Beckett-Lowe-Ortiz-Damon-etc…

    its the big bad new yorker syndrome…it makes people talk stupid

  87. onecupin69years on

    Sad sack NY teams
    #1- Rangers-winning one cup in 69 years
    #2- NY Knicks -last won in 73 had a great run in the 90’s

    #2 and 3 are neck and neck

    #3- NY jets last won in 69 and haven’t had a good run too inconsistent year to year.
    #4 NY mets- last won in 86.can’t go down the stretch on fire .

    And the rangers really frustrate because with sather, each year is lets make the playoffs and hope for the best.
    He’s been rebuilding what for 8 years?
    At least with Neil smith the rangers WON and had a good nucleus and were competitive under his reign.

  88. “Any team more or less makes a covenant with its fans to do the absolute best it can. In the case of the fans, they have shown incredible devotion and dedication to the Minnesota Wild selling out every home game in team history up to this point. The fans have made its merchandise amongst the top selling teams in the league, and have filled the arena to over 100% capacity for the last few seasons. That covenant is a trust between fans and ownership. The actions or in this case the inaction of this team is a huge betrayal of that trust. With the team’s fortunes this season clearly heading south, the Wild opted not to be a big seller and chose not to trade soon-to-be unrestricted free agents Stephane Veilleux, Martin Skoula, Marc-Andre Bergeron, Kurtis Foster, or star winger Marian Gaborik. It seems strange a team that will likely not qualify for the post season did not even attempt to trade off assets with the hope of acquiring picks or prospects for the future.”

    …Well..at least they always have the exciting play of coach Jaques Lemaires nuetral zone trap to watch!!!!! wooo-whoooo!!!!

  89. pete, almost 40 y.o. Mathieu Schneider brought a 2nd and 3rd rounders, so the Antropov deal looks ok to me

  90. Seriously is it ever going to come out as to why Renney had something personal against Prucha? And I dont wanna hear the jock strap story LOL

  91. UESBlueshirt on

    But what happens if the Pens miss the playoffs?

    Shero took a big gamble last year to get Hossa, they didn’t win and he left and they waited too long for Hossa to decide and let a lot of their important role players walk. He even had less work to do keep the team competitive because of Crosby and Malkin. He took a team that was a potential dynasty and made them into fringe playoff team. Not to mention they have a similar top heavy cap situation with a lot of cap tied to Crosby/Malkin/Staal/Gonchar/Fleury.

    I’m not trying to absolve Sather from his mistakes, but he is not the only GM to have missed the mark.

  92. Everyone stick your head out the window and listen…

    Hear that screaming, yelping, wailng, crying of grown men?

    Hear the banjo riff from “Deliverance?”

    You guessed it. Playoff invoices are here.

  93. Shero also made a great trade. he got rid of Whitneys big contract and got a winger they needed plus a topnotch prospect in Tangradi, who is right behind Tavares in the OHL scoring

  94. Hockey tonight!!!! Saweeett , time to kick some MUTHA F****ing azzzz!!! This time I mean it , sure sure I say it all the time but come on …we KILLED the Avalanche last game , and I mean wiped ’em out …hate to say it but we beat ’em so bad it was boring at the end….weird ,, usually boring at the end when were getting killed.

    Have some fun tonight there Doodie ,Pavel and Orr , Our new system is all about ATTACK , AND setting the “tone” at the start , just like we want!! Islanders always play us tough but tonight is a lil different …We destroyed Colorado and if we don’t kill these fishheads its because our new players need time to jell , thats all.

    Petr Prucha plays posse , perfecty puts pucks off post , poor petr!! (Mike D) , Petr is still young , who is to say how he’ll end up , Im not saying he is Marty St.louis but Marty was given up on at an early age , just like Brett HULL too. Calgary dumped him off and The Blues cashed in.
    Marcel Hossa wasn’t too bad either. Mike you say Prucha needs to be with a skilled player …does n’t everyone? Not comparing but if Jari Kurri didn’t have Gretzky , he could have been waisted away …

    Homegrown talent traded at an early age for rent a players , that doesn’t sound good but as (ORR) said earlier it opens up for guys like AA and other to come up.

    We have grit that can score — Avery callahan dubinsky
    We have a guy who knock you out —Colton Orr
    We have speedy guys — Gomez , Drury Avery
    We have creative guys — Zherdev Dubinsky
    We have Marc Staal
    We have a kick azz coach — Torts / Sheof
    We have an ALLSTAR netminder — Hendrick Lunqvist
    We have a dam good checking line — Betts ORR shoey
    We Have the best Penalty Killing in the league
    We have a Finnish flash —Korpi
    We have new Blood —Morris Aves Ant

    * Just 2 points and no suspensions tonight , Dam Torts fires up our boys so bad we fighting now all the time!!!

  95. Maloney made out pretty good, not sure how you see his turning down upshall and carle for morris a bad thing?? He ends up getting 3 for 1 and then trades Carcillo for Upshall and a 2nd rounder. I think he made a pretty smart move there.

  96. I dont think Pens Miss the playoffs…its either one or both of NYR,Habs ( whoever chokes more) and one or both Carolina or Sabes (whoever has less injuries)

  97. Aaron…
    You’re getting the snot beat out of you by a one armed street midget….

    named Mary

  98. Aaron…
    You’re getting the snot beat out of you by a one armed street midget….

    named Mary

    LOL

  99. Doodie Machetto on

    “Aaron…
    You’re getting the snot beat out of you by a one armed street midget….

    named Mary”

    Looks like Renney will lose his parking spot.

  100. Aaron Voros
    March 5th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
    Where am I right now? Hartford? Anybody know?

    You are lucky – you are not on your way to Minnesota. And when you are, you will wish it was Hartford!!

  101. BTW Morris has a nasty right hand when he uses it, but is sometimes unwilling to take off his gloves

    Sounds like another Redden eh?

  102. Guys I got a question for u. My roomate wont be home until 830 and he wants me to wait to watch the 2nd period with him should i wait?

  103. Fischler's Ghost on

    Voros,

    You’re sitting in an empty locker room staring at a bag of pucks and wondering how two of those are worth more than you.

  104. Matt K – Good point on Redden/Morris – and now that Kalinin is gone, I predict the fans will have far less tolerance for Redden’s slow, soft, un-engaged play.

  105. e.m.

    just checked out tangradi, woah! That kid could be fierce competition in a year or so.

    20 yr old 6’4 221lbs
    2nd in the OHL in scoring

  106. Doodie Machetto on

    Morris is a big defender who doesn’t play physical and is bad at offense.

    Where have I heard that before? Big defender, bad at offense…. I know.

    Morris=Marek Malik.

  107. Doodie Machetto on

    matt, you can wait for him to watch the 2nd period.

    Just make sure to watch the first while he’s gone.

  108. According to Zipay, the Isles may have to call up two D and a forward for tonight’s game.

  109. Rob C , Yes there are envious , most of those places and almost all the media love to see the Rangers fall…Everyone is still upset that back in the day , like 10 years ago when the Rangers Bought everyone with an un limited budget..Jelousy and now they love to see us fall….

    Hockey News is dumb and It being Canadian has nothing to do with it (True fans) Canadians are NOT mostly LEAF FAN….haha funny , but come on , your speaking like all of Canada follows the Leafs…Just thier tv Network just like MSG is to the Rangers. Im in the west and the people around here are Canuck , Calgary, Edmonton fans…maybe a few Habs and some Leafs but mostly US western Canadian fans HATE TORONTO AND MONTREAL , and I mean Hate!!! Kaspar yer dead on!! Yankess , they treat us like were the Yankees.

  110. (UESblueshirt) Canada’s Big 2 are The Edmonton Oilers and the Calgary Flames. Montreal and Toronto are the Original 6 teams but not the BIG 2 . Montreal thinks they are but have been losers for the last 20 years unlike Edmonton and Calgary.

  111. Some players who were underachievers elsewhere can come to NY and be charged up by the city and play well, like Jagr or Zherdev. Other players come to NY and can’t handle the pressure, like Drury or Redden. It will be interesting to see how Antropov plays here. Morris is already nervous and has never played or lived in a big market town, so he doesn’t sound so promising. Time will tell. The Bruins on Sunday will be the big test for everyone, including Tortorella.

  112. Doodie Machetto on

    “Montreal and Toronto are the Original 6 teams but not the BIG 2 . Montreal thinks they are but have been losers for the last 20 years unlike Edmonton and Calgary.”

    Montreal is the last Canadian team to win the Cup, so… not really sure what you’re saying here.

    Edmonton and Calgary haven’t won it since 90 and 89, respectively. Sure, they’ve both been to the finals once since then, but almost only ocunts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

  113. Morris, even if he is soft for a big man, and even if he doesn’t do anything for the power play, should be decent defensively. And if he doesn’t knock bodies around, that’s OK, as long as he pushes them out of the crease, even if it’s gently.

    I know I am a little late with this, but I just found out that Morris is “soft” Come on! Don’t we have enough soft D-men on this team?….like everyone, except maybe Mara? Her i am after the deadline yesterday hearing this guy was a former first rounder, and thinking that Sather brought him in to bring in much-needed toughness. then I find out that he is soft and gentle.

    What gives? The last thing this team needs is more pus%&**# on defense!

  114. doodie and jeff thanks for responding, but its tied at 1 to 1 i need one more persons vote. thanks

  115. Angry Whopper on

    kc – right about the Bruins.

    If this Ranger team after 4 days off cannot come out and absolutely pummel a team with all ahl prospects (except Jon Sim) and an ahl goalie, there’s no point in watching for the rest of the season.

    Rangers win 4-1 (minimum)

  116. i wouldnt say zherdev has played that well yet given the skill he has. right now he looks like a top five pick who will never play up to his potential. i am not saying give up on him, but i wouldnt even mention him in the same sentence as jagr, faults and all

  117. Interesting take on Avery:
    [tries to quantify agitation. not an easy task. interesting nonetheless]

    March 3, 2009, 03:26 PM ET
    Avery by the Numbers

    by Timo Seppa

    After much anticipation, Sean Avery is back with the Rangers.

    You love him or hate him. Or maybe both.

    A friend of mine who watches the Stars closely said that in his time with Dallas, Avery was perceived as ”a lousy teammate” who was a headache for the coaching staff, but that he was “one of the hardest working, no quit guys on the ice out of the whole bunch of them”. None of those varied comments are probably news to anyone. Putting the bad PR aside, does that make Avery more of an asset or a liability? As most opinions on him are polarized, it might be valuable to look at the Avery by the numbers.

    At first glance, you might be disappointed. There is not much remarkable about most of Avery’s stats. Goals, assists and plus/minus are all very pedestrian. But the crux of Avery’s game is agitation.

    There has always been spirited discussion in hockey circles about the value of agitators. There are many factors that cannot be easily quantified, such as the value of intimidation and getting the opponent to lose focus. What can be quantified are the number of penalties that a player draws and takes. While the best players at drawing penalties are typically high skilled players such as Ovechkin and Crosby, Avery has been among the more efficient “pests” in the NHL at this skill, drawing 8 more penalties than taken in 2007-2008 and drawing 4 more penalties than taken over 23 games in 2008-2009. In comparison, many of Avery’s fellow instigators take more penalties than they draw.

    The value of eight or ten more penalties drawn than taken over the course of a season is pretty marginal, though. At a typical power play percentage of 19% for the NHL this year, that amounts to a value of two goals or less over 82 games. The Rangers currently have an abysmal power play percentage of 14%, but a superb penalty killing percentage of 87%. If the Rangers could improve their power play significantly –perhaps with a trade deadline move– while keeping their excellent penalty kill intact, perhaps the bottom line value of Avery’s agitation would be enhanced.

  118. Matt R March 5th, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    doodie and jeff thanks for responding, but its tied at 1 to 1 i need one more persons vote. thanks

    Listen to the game on the radio. Technically your not betraying him, but your still know whats going on.

  119. matt k why should i listen id rather just watch then and rewind to beginning of 2nd. but thank u for responding

  120. “Guys I got a question for u. My roomate wont be home until 830 and he wants me to wait to watch the 2nd period with him should i wait?”

    your joking right?

  121. completely being serious noonan. im leaving work now and going to the gym. i anxiously await ur response noonan

  122. Matt , …If he can’t make it why do YOU have to suffer!!?? If he has like beer or something to bribe you …and you have nothing , then ya have to wait , but If he has nothing to give you that forces you not to watch it , tell him soory man , im a Rangers fan and another Ranger fan said for you to do the right thing and watch that first period!! You owe it to him and to your self as a loyal fan and in all honesty , if he can;’t watch it , then you HAVE to!!!

  123. Matt R

    TIVO it. Why do you set up some candles, make a nice dinner, then you and your roomate can snuggle up on the couch together

  124. I have a gooood feeling about tonight! I just got a job, was accepted into grad school, and I’m gonna eat some wings for dinner. Today is a good day, my friends.

    37-0 Rangers.

  125. Just watch it, and when he comes back, say you were watching cartoons or something.
    ………………………….

    under Renney, that would be true

  126. Carp, you should change the name of the blog to Strangers Report for the remainder of Sather’s reign here.

  127. Matt R if you really want to watch the Strangers game you could just keep it on then when he comes back be like “DAMN IT! Stupid remote is broken, sorry bud!” or “I have no idea how this got on, I was watching porn”

  128. Said by TRUEFANS:
    So there are plenty of things to hate on Sather and the Rangers for… plenty. But I still hate on French-canadiens and Cindy Crawford so I think it’s mutual.
    Avery said it best: “Visor wearing French Canadians running around throwing big hits with nothing behind it.” He knows… and he’s back tonight!
    ************************************
    That my friend is perty dam funny because thats how all the Canadians around here feel , Quebec tried to separate from Canaduh eh and now they are shunned by most of Canada. Have to admit that was good.

    Doodie , Monreal won the cup , yeah yeah but they suck , they only win cuz they have retarded fans who always clap and cheer….OMG a 2 on 1 OMGOMG wwhwhwoooo!!! , Thats how they are…hell if I was playing and heard fans cheer me like that id play like ovechikin lil brother!!! Calgary and Edmonton are just better and the others TRY to be something…

  129. If anybody cares Pru Dawes and Kalinin are expected to play for Pho tonight.

    And if you don’t care, you can bitch at me all you want but I won’t be reading.

  130. Sally
    March 5th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
    I have a gooood feeling about tonight! I just got a job, was accepted into grad school, and I’m gonna eat some wings for dinner. Today is a good day, my friends.

    37-0 Rangers.

    ++++++++++

    sally good for u! big conrats! 37-0 is good enough for me!

  131. Yeah, that roommate thing was definitely pretty weird.

    Unless you have a DVR and you can just record the game from the beginning and then start watching from the beginning, and even that is a stretch, I would say no dice.

    Tell you roommate to check the score from his cell phone, and get over it. If my wife asked me to wait to watch the second period with her, I would probably not even give her a response, maybe laugh it off and say, “There you go being cute again,” and then watch the game. Nobody has any business at all making that kind of request unless they are offering you money, some really good food, alcohol, or sex.

    And Matt, unless your roomie is a she, I would hope all or at least one of those mentioned above are in play, except for the last one.

  132. whos this “fathom” GoCoyotesGo guy yaping his peace and has the nerve to say hes outta here and wont read if we respond…hey Carp , Mr Rick …can you ban that guy!!?? Im glad he said what he did cuz i am gonna flip over to see how Dawes is used and how Prucha looks in a ‘yote suit.

  133. GoCoyotesGoBackToCanada on

    Winnipeg Jets reborn. Shane Doan still around

    since your not reading, you won’t mind me saying go Prucha, the hell with Dawes and Kalinin

  134. ahem…Sounds like there is a big roommate DRAMA going on here…if u know what i mean… Matt R, as i mentioned before, u should get a different roommate…the one that is not into hockey… so next time there be no questions like that :)

  135. GoCoyotesGoBackToCanada

    I’ve never been to Canada. I’m sure it’s full of renneys and sathers and have no reason to go there. And since you didn’t bitch at me I read :)

    I say the hell with Dawes and Kalinin too.

  136. DOODIE:

    Maloney was here and seeing Prucha and Dawes BEFORE Renney ran them into the ground. They are not the same players they were two years ago. Their confidence has been shaken and it remains to be seen if they can get their game(s) back in another environment. I wish them well, but where the Rangers are concerned, these two may never have more market value.

    Also, to those who are upset that we gave up so much to land Morris, look at it this way: Maloney wanted Prucha and Dawes for Morris. Slats said, you also take Kalinin off my hands and it’s a deal. So that the Rangers got a positive in Morris, and dumped a wretched negative in Kalinin, all at once. Of course you have to give up something to get something. To my mind gaining Morris and dumping Kalinen is at least a fair exchange for the Prucha and Dawes package of 2009.

    If I were GM, my counter offer to Maloney would have been: Dawes, Kalinin and Betts for Morris, keeping Prucha and promoting AA, which really should be done now. We have promoted Girardi, Callahan, and Korpikoski, in-season, in the last couple years, with good results. It is becoming WAY past time to make the AA in and Betts out move. And I appreciate what Betts has contributed this year, out from under Hollweg’s yoke. But TIMING is everything and this is AA’s time, and Betts has had a much longer tenure in New York than any of us thought he would have.

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