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So here we are, at the most important three-day stretch of the Rangers’ season, starting tomorrow.

It isn’t only crucial to 2008-09, but also beyond.

The Rangers will take today off, have their mini-camp, which is critical for new coach John Tortorella to better implement his system. The Rangers have done a pretty good job learning it with so few practices, but they will really be able to sink their teeth into it between now and Thursday’s game against the Islanders.

But a lot of other stuff will happen between now and then. First, Sean Avery is sure to be thrown into the mix like a grenade into a room. No doubt, he will have an immediate impact, particularly Thursday (a fight is a lock, and some other antics, too). No doubt, for the rest of this season, Avery will help, and in the playoffs, too, if they get there. And they should.

I still question whether you want Avery, even at a discounted $1.9M, if it’s going to limit off-season activity — the re-signing of young restricted free agents, the signing of much-needed unrestricted talent. That’s an argument for another day. Avery’s coming, so the Rangers have to deal with the here and now.

Then, of course, comes Wednesday. The trade deadline, as you all know.

And my question to you, to Glen Sather, to anybody, is simple: Buy? Or sell?

If you’ve brought in a new coach and you’re going to bring in Avery, then that says to me that Sather is buying. I think that’s the absolute wrong move at this point — giving up prospects, young players or draft picks for a Keith Tkachuk or a Bill Guerin type. That will come back to haunt in the long run.

Unless you believe this team, as currently constituted, can actually challenge — can actually make a run toward the finals — then that’s just crazy and short-sighted. But I do think, with the coaching change, the Avery claim, and with Dolan’s and Sather’s track records, that they will go for it this year.

I’m on record: Bad move. Sell.

Anyway, here are the official game summary and event summary from last night’s game.

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  1. one cup—

    Your right normally, but with Prucha’s unjustifiable benchings this year I think he’s gonna let him play. He has a scorer’s touch that is needed on a team that lacks scoring touch.

    Tort’s has seemed a little gun shy with wanting to do drastic things, he seems to be feeling out the team. I dont think he wants to be viewed by the players and fans as a guy coming in here and dropping the axe on everyone. It seems everyone got a chance to wipe the slate clean and Prucha has been performing, and is well liked by the players and fans.

    He’s an RFA in the summer, so we control his destiny anyways and i think he will be allowed a fair shot to play his contract out.

  2. jerkins perkins(mike in ia) on

    hey if they go for it, fine. because you never know what will happen no matter how far off it seems, but only if they dump a big contract and not get an equally bad one. i think ryan smyth is a great player but he makes alot. i wouldnt get tkachuk either. so i dont know who sather will get that will actually make us a contender but i hope its not for the sake of youth

  3. Carp so the rangers should just stand pat and let everyone else around them get better? Or get slammed in the first round? They blew it last year by not doing anything at the deadline!! They can’t make the same mistake. With a goalie like Hank they could get hot. I’m not saying to trade Staal or Dubi. If they have a shot at a big scorer they should make it.

  4. ORR-

    you said it exactly right. Slats is dumb enough to give up first round picks for underachieving players but at the same time i’d rather have Antropov then pretty much every other first round pick that he has used in the past ten years he’s been GM.

    Antropov and White
    for
    Dawes, Voros, and a 2nd round pick is what i would do

    then i’d try and get whatever i could for Kalinin by trading him to a contender looking to beef up their blueline

  5. jerkins perkins(mike in ia) on

    it would be kinda funny though if a nonplayoff team took him just to trade with slats and he doesnt go for it and theyre stuck with him. lol

  6. jerkins perkins(mike in ia) on

    then i’d try and get whatever i could for Kalinin by trading him to a contender looking to beef up their blueline

    dont u mean, soften up their blueline

  7. onecupin69years on

    I think Sather will have to buy in order to justify his signings ,like George Allen used to say “the future is now”.
    They have to go for it now , why change coaches if you you’re not going for it now?
    They will try to sign Avery , make a move or two or none and go forward.

    I think this team will have to make the playoffs and go 2 rounds or more to justify keeping Sather,but making the playoffs will keep dolan fooled for another year .

  8. I’ve been preaching “minor tweaking” all year. This team has speed and a great goalie, but it needs size and it needs toughness. I dont know what Mark Bell can do, but im guessing he is just a playoff insurance policy in case of injury??

    I’d like the team to look something like this going into the playoffs:

    Naslund – Gomez – Zherdev
    Avery – Drury – Prucha
    Antropov – Dubi – Callahan
    Kopi – Betts – Sjo

    Rozy – Redden
    Staal – Girardi
    Mara – Ian White

    Orr – Bell – Reitz

  9. onecupin69years on

    Somerset, I agree Prucha has been shortchanged by renney and Sather for a couple of years. I don’t think sather is a fan of Prucha and I would be surprised if he isn’t traded.

    Remenber the teams that sather likes to trade with, coyotes and oilers and his idea of Edmontom like players from his cup winning days, Guerin, weight, Tkatchuk ,are likely teams and players Sather may have in his sights.

  10. Hey, Slats got Backman last year. Who knows, maybe there’s a Gm as dumb as him that would think Kalinin’s “vet presence” is needed.

    7th round pick would be perfect. Or just a mini broom for Redden, for when he spills some cocaine on the floor.

    Joe Mich said last night, that today the Stars might put Avery back on waivers. Anybody hear anything more on this ?

  11. Question re: Re-Entry Waivers on

    I read somewhere that if a team claims a player off re-entry waivers, they cannot be traded to another team, only demoted to the minors. Is this accurate?

    If so, that means we’re 100% guaranteed to get Avery back because no other team would commit to him.

  12. In two of the past three years Sather’s trade deadline moves have been disastrous, read Ozolinsh and Backman. Better no one than more of the same. The Rangers are still benefitting from a charmed life as far as injuries go, unlike most other teams they haven’t lost key players for long stretches (assuming we have key players beyond Henrik). But if they are to make a decent run for the playoffs and then compete there, they need Strudwick-like depth, guys who can step in if necessary. But the team should not give up high draft choices,

  13. UESBlueshirt on

    They have a bit of a barbell distribution in their salaries either they’re expensive or they’re cheap. The two players that would be easier to move and free up cap room down the road are Naslund and Rozsival. I’m not aware that either have NTCs and while they’re overpaid by probably around $1MM each they would help provide some 2nd line/2nd pairing depth to most teams that are realistically gearing up for a run.

    One of the several RFAs can also probably go but they’d only net basically the same in return.

  14. bull dog line on

    somerset,
    Dubi is now a left wing, and a top6 player under tortorella. betts, sjostrom, and dawes are the most likely players to be traded. look for the rangers to attempt to get bigger and tougher on the 3rd and 4th lines. that is probably why bell is here, to replace betts if he is traded, and to play a tougher game from the 4th line center spot.

  15. jerkins perkins(mike in ia) on

    betts? id rather keep him. hes a great pker and solid 4th liner. id rather get rid of dawes and voros.

  16. Betts and Sjo are one of the best penalty kills in the game. If one of them gets traded look for the other to be included. Teams will want them packaged.

  17. I just want to get back to the mini brawl last night in the corner where Redden did not grab on to Laperriere, how was he [Lappy] let out of the box and Orr wasn’t. I sat almost directly on the red line 10 rows up benind the penalty boxes and could see Orr standing up trying to look down by the scrum. Lappy should have got a game misconduct, a player leaving the penalty box after serving a penalty has to go to the bench and not join a altercation. I can’t find my rule book but cant beleive at our home Orr was not let out by the official while we were outmanned during the scrum.

  18. onecupin69years March 1st, 2009 at 11:51 am

    Carp, how about a non playoff team claiming then trading Avery?

    If Slats was smart he woundn’t do anything. Avery claims he’s only going to play for the Rangers. Which means if another team picks him up and trys to trade them to us, but we don’t bite, They’ll HAVE to trade him to us for nothing, after he bitchs and complains for about a week.

  19. bull dog line on

    jerkins,
    if you want something of value in return you have to give up value to get it. betts has some value, and is much easier to replace a 4th liner. this is not renney team anymore, the 4th line is not treated like a 1st line. betts is easily replaceable.

  20. Carp, YOU ARE WRONG

    I agree that Sather has messed up this team for this season and for the future. But we have one of the top 3 goaltenders in the league and possibly the best in Rangers history. You want the rangers to waste his best years and sell? That is wrong. We are missing a coupe things but put together a nice win streak and we can be the number 4 seed. Boston is showing they can be beat. We know we can beat jersey or Washington. It is wide open and a key scorer plus avery can bring us to the top.

  21. Paul March 1st, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    I just want to get back to the mini brawl last night in the corner where Redden did not grab on to Laperriere, how was he [Lappy] let out of the box and Orr wasn’t. I sat almost directly on the red line 10 rows up benind the penalty boxes and could see Orr standing up trying to look down by the scrum. Lappy should have got a game misconduct, a player leaving the penalty box after serving a penalty has to go to the bench and not join a altercation. I can’t find my rule book but cant beleive at our home Orr was not let out by the official while we were outmanned during the scrum.

    Simple. The Canadian’s hate us.

  22. jerkins perkins(mike in ia) on

    bulldog i realize that but who do u expect we will get in return for betts? i mean hes been one of the steadiest players on this team and is the main reason our pk is so good

  23. “onecupin69years March 1st, 2009 at 11:50 am

    Somerset, I agree Prucha has been shortchanged by renney and Sather for a couple of years. I don’t think sather is a fan of Prucha and I would be surprised if he isn’t traded. ”

    I think Sather IS a fan of Prucha, in fact a BIG fan.

    Sather is the only reason that Prucha is still a Ranger, because Renney had a personal vendetta against him and he would have been gone by now if Renney had his way.

    Before this season started, Sather said a few times that he wanted to try to get Prucha back to his rookie season form. Renney was obviously not going to let that happen.

    I’m just happy that we finally have an NHL-caliber coach who recognizes talent and heart. Whether Prucha stays or goes as part of a trade-deadline deal, I think he’ll be a big contributor down the stretch for whatever team he’s on.

  24. For the thousandth time:

    YOU CAN NOT TRADE A PLAYER FOR THE REMAINDER OF THAT SEASON IF YOU CLAIM HIM ON RE – ENTRY WAIVERS.

    No team can claim Avery and then trade him, it is not allowed per the CBA.

  25. bull dog line on

    jerkins,
    tortorella has been using alot of players on the pk. he is on record saying he likes to use his best players on the pk so they do not sit for 2min. i dont know what we would get for betts, but he does have some value to teams.

  26. How was the cross check on Shoes not a match penalty ? That was ridiculous. Apparently they’re trying to get fighting out of the game, while letting players get away with attempting to kill someone. Unreal. THAT is why fighting should not be taken out of the game. They’re will be more scenes like that, i guarantee it. Players will get so frustrated that they cant do anything, that they’ll lose their minds, and do something without thinking. At least with fighting, you settle the score and send the message.

    Refs SUCK !

  27. Id say sell too but I love the playoffs too much. And every year regardless of the chances I want the rangers to win the cup. That might sound shortsighted, because it is, but its the kind of guy I am. Go for the gold.

  28. eric March 1st, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    Carp, YOU ARE WRONG

    I agree that Sather has messed up this team for this season and for the future. But we have one of the top 3 goaltenders in the league and possibly the best in Rangers history. You want the rangers to waste his best years and sell? That is wrong. We are missing a coupe things but put together a nice win streak and we can be the number 4 seed. Boston is showing they can be beat. We know we can beat jersey or Washington. It is wide open and a key scorer plus avery can bring us to the top.

    Next time you try to prove Carp wrong know what your talking about. Lundqvist best goalie in Rangers history? Uhh, Richter, Giacomin, hey even JD was pretty damn good. Don’t label Hank “best” until it’s all said and done. Next, Hank is not a top 3 goalie in the league. Broduer yes is still top 3 not matter how much i hate him. Tim Thomas is playing top 3 hockey right now for Boston, which is kinda why he might win the Vezina this year. Next is Niklas Backstrom for the Wild Who ranks top 5 in wins, save percentage and average goals against. Lundqvist isn’t top 5 in any of those categories. And Missing a few things? We’re missing some pretty big things eric. We’re missing a #1 foward and a #1 defensemen. How are we going to get both of them at the Trade Deadline with our cap completely out of hand? You need stars to win the cup. And right now the Rangers are a bunch of career 2nd liners.

    Examples:
    Gomez – Jason Arnott, Joe Nieuwendyk, John Madden
    Drury – Sakic, Breire
    Redden – Chara, Phillips

    Those are our “BIG” free agents. None of them who had to play “superstar” for their respective teams. Now how can they be our #1 guys, when they aren’t even #1 guys to begin with?

  29. Why would anyone trade for a player that they passed up on waivers? They could have picked him up for free and passed.

  30. Eric – NO WAY this team gets through Boston AND Washinginton first of all. Second of all, no way this team gets through Boston WITH Pronger(which is looking like it’s going to be the case). And third, there’s certainly no way they get through the Wings or San Jose. These are all powerful offensive juggernauts that only need to get a couple of goals to shut the Rangers down. Absent a Jagr-type player, this team will be no different come the playoffs.

    Roc – The best deals that this team can make this season is to prepare for next year. That means grabbing a young, sizable goal scorer and a hulking stay-at-home defender in my book. Spezza would be nice, but you’re talking at least three NHLers going the other way. Atlanta’s Valabik is also on my wish list. But I can’t think of any ‘minor tweaks’ that would improve this team enough for a cup run.

    idov – Ozolinsh wasn’t a trade-deadline acquisition.

  31. nothing would suprie me
    I think everyone is expendable
    yet, the speed players seem to thrive under Tort
    & don’t expect them to go anywhere if Tort has lots to say about it
    so, who may go? Rozi, Dawes, Voros, Giradi,
    Picks don’t matter because Rangers won’t pick in top ten anyway, & Sather can’t draft well

    Who to get? NOT someone over the hill – Tkachuk, Guerin, etc
    We want someone who is still young and will make an impact
    Bouwmeester, LeCav, St.Louis, Cole

  32. Avery is a no-brainer to me. You get a proven NHL regular, with grit and toughness, speed, and the ability to score 15-20 goals a year, locked up for 3 years at 1.9/per.

    Tortarella will keep him in check, because Avery knows nobody else wants him. Even if they don’t like each other, there will be a mutual respect. Avery can play, Torts can coach.

  33. I would actually not be surprised at all to see Girardi dealt. Which is too bad because his contract is a bargain for a second pairing dman.

  34. If they get Avery then I only see a minor tweak. Carcillo or Neil or even that scumbag Ruutu; that’s your budget nastiness right there and all you give up is Voros and maybe a pick.

  35. Roc, if you think they’re good enough to make a run, then you buy. I don’t. I think they are woefully short of talent, and hamstrung by a salary cap, and if you give away kids/prospects/draft picks now, it will be worse next year.

    That’s my opinion.

  36. Now that was a fun game to watch.Not only the scoring but how Torts but Orr out there when it started to gey ugly. Renney almost never did that he was always so gentle. I also liked Schoney getting into it with Ian and then with Granato. Now could anyone ever say they could see that from renney,Pelino or Pearn ,if they say yes they could there full of it.
    Still say we need changes in personel to play this style. Again dawes was invisible.I see him and a few others on there way out by wed

  37. Doodie Machetto on

    If they claim Avery, the won’t be able to buy. They won’t have any cap room to work with unless any deal involves Prucha, Voros, and/or Kalinin.

    Nobody will want Voros, especially at a million a year for the next 2 years. We’ll be paying them to take him off of our hands.

    As for Kalinin, nobody will want him unless he comes with prospects/picks since he is UFA, which might make any asking price too high. For how liberal he is in signing UFAs, Slats is pretty shrewd when it comes to trades, so I can’t see him grossly overpaying for a playoff rental.

    As for Prucha, he’s in the same UFA boat as Kalinin, but teams could be willing to take him on with the hope of getting him under contract because of his goal scoring potential. But I think Torts likes Prucha (Torts complained of conditioning, but even Renney said Prucha had the highest fitness level on the team) and may try to convince Slats (and Prucha) to keep Prucha around next year.

    So, in other words, if they land Avery, I see them staying put at the deadline.

    But, a good indicator of whether they will buy at the deadline will be Mark Bell. If they don’t waive him, then they aren’t buying.

  38. carcards,

    St. Louis isn’t exactly young haha — don’t see how we can get Vinny L or Jay Bo under our cap though without shredding some salary first which seems impossible at this point

  39. By the way lets face it no one is taking Voros… He’s an AHL’er everyone knows it

  40. Mark (the orginal) on

    I say claim Avery, and pretty much stand pat. Is a guy like Keith Tkachuk going to be the guy that gets us to the Stanley Cup?

    Try and dump Voros and Kalinin. I would even think about trying to get something for Dawes. If Sather can dump an awful contract for another awful contract I guess I would be fine with that, but don’t sell the youth.

  41. I think if you add a great scorer like Jagr we are close to contending. Whoops, we had Jagr and Sather made let him walk.

    I think Kallinen fits well with Tort’s system, he’s got speed a shot and like to jump into the play. That’s why I liked him when the got him. But Renny did not let him play like that.

    Rick, I think in sports today, coaching is everything!
    I believe with a great coach a team of spirited, good, fast players can win. I think you add a scorer and a little more size to this team and they can contend

  42. Carp,

    Thank you so much for including the Game and Event Summaries! Insightful for those of us in Upstate that don’t get to see all of the games! For some reason, they think that Albany is filled with Sabre fans, so UNTRUE!

    Let’s GET AVERY and show the NHL what we’re made of!
    LET’S GO RANGERS!!

  43. Doodie Machetto on

    “Why would anyone trade for a player that they passed up on waivers? They could have picked him up for free and passed.”

    The Rangers are in a good spot to pick up Avery because they are at the bottom of the playoff teams, meaning other, higher playoff teams won’t have the opportunity to claim him before us. That’s why they would trade for him since they wouldn’t have had the opportunity to claim him.

    Someone above suggested that a lower team could claim Avery and then trade him to us, which would actually be a really smart move. It just depends on whether Slats will hit the panic button or not. Because there’s no way that the team below us will want him next season, so it’s just a matter of whether Slats can wait until the offseason to make the deal. If Slats *must* have him this season, they will definitely get a good return for a player they didn’t even want.

  44. gentlemen, ladies- here’s the best way to say it. We want to see this team improve but we don’t want to see them part with anything that they really shouldnt part with. Dubinsky, Prucha, Staal, Sanguenetti, Anisimov- these are all guys that we can’t part with for a playoff rental or an aging all star like Pronger or Tkachuk.

    Now, I think judging by ice time and the roles they’ve played so far there are a few guys- namely Staal, Prucha, and especially Dubinsky who are emerging as “Tortarella guys”. I think these guys are safe- most specifically I think Prucha is getting the chance to play because he has the effort and the nose for the net that Torts can appreciate and that just give me a gut feeling that they aren’t going to ship him out.

    With all that said, I dont think that means we can’t improve. if they could move a guy like Roszival in a big deal or even just create a package with a couple guys like Dawes and Kalinin and another piece with some up side that doesnt in turn rape our system and get say a Derek Morris in here I think you can improve the blueline simply by moving a couple of roster players. (Dawes is a great playmaker but probably isn’t going to score 40 goals in this league. IMO Anisimov may be better suited for this roster then he is)

    Lastly, Sean Avery is at the point where he wants to resume his career and even if he still has some demons left probably isn’t going to make a spectacle of himself. Especially with a no BS coach at the helm. If we claim him, so be it, he just better get used in the proper fashion and not do anything that’s going to cost us in the future.

  45. tdchi — I remember Ozolinsh coming in at the trading deadline and this is what it says on Wikipedia. “He was traded from the Ducks to the New York Rangers for a third-round draft pick (which the Rangers had obtained earlier in a trade with the San Jose Sharks) at the March 9, 2006 trade deadline.”

    On this question of the fourth line getting ice time. This is the only line that’s been together all year and they play as a unit. For most teams the fourth line is a dumping ground but in terms of defence, this is really a third line.

  46. evitageN
    I meant young as far as the way they play
    Bourque was still a young 40 when aves won the cup
    St.Louis can fly, pk, play the pp and can score anywhere
    Although he does not have size, he would be a perfect fit

  47. evitageN March 1st, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    By the way lets face it no one is taking Voros… He’s an AHL’er everyone knows it””

    I don’t care if he’s sent down to Hartford. I just want him and his salary gone. 1.2 mil is a lot of money for a useless player.

  48. Sather’s main focus now is himself. Jagr protected him from criticism the past 3 seasons, but now Sather is being slammed by all of the press. More than that, he is being called a complete failure. As well, he has changed his focus on team building every single year — he never sticks to one plan. So, he is now a desperate man — he doesn’t want to retire as a complete loser. Desperate men do dumb things, and it’s scary to think what he might do. And the other GMs know they can take advantage. It’s not a hopeful scenario.

  49. no way sather and dolan are sellers. Only if they were out of the playoff race would they even consider that. Sather will have to trade or waive plenty before next season.

  50. I don’t care about the score (well I do but that’s not the point)…

    That game last night was AWESOME!!!

    I know it’s against a bad team but christ! That was F-IN hockey for the first time in a while.

    Did you guys see how friggin HAPPY HANK WAS?

    That guy is pumped and it’s all because of the coaching change. I wasn’t a Renney hater… but not a fan either… in hingsight though… the change should have been made months ago.

    I love the emotion Torts and Shoney bring. LOVE IT

  51. ZzZz 13 ZzZz Rules !! says Greg L. on

    yo Matt , the Canadians don’t hate us …naw Canada likes the Rangers …its the Rangers effort to be different is what make most Canadians intrieged.

    LOOK HERE FOLKS …if we were sellers then RENNEY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN FIRED …WE my friends are window shoppers …

    (tschi) dont be so harsh on a fellow Ranger fan like eric …hes only seeing the optimistic side and IM ALL FOR IT TOO ….Ill bet your ( beep) that we dont lose those playoff games and you will be eatting your words when we beat these so called un beatable team…blaaaa …Yeah Patrick Roy took a mediocure habs team to the cup and if anyone here thinks we should tank it cuz we ~~just aint good enough yer can go and cheer for PHILLY!!

    Anyone here says we dont make some noise come playoff time ,,ill bet you right now….come on..if we are soooo bad in talent…then ill bet anyone that this version will compete and Jersy , Wash and Boston can all go suck an egg!!

    We window shop and dont sell anything in the tearms of youth..well get a piece or two but Glen wont trade anyone who willl help us next year…just watch. We are going for the cup , i know that ..and no one is gonna take a fall ..that job was aready taken from…Tom Renney.

  52. The thing is, Sather needs to get rid of the dead-weight that is holding the team back. I mean, if you can get something good (that’s stretching it, decent) for Prucha or Dawes, then by all means Sather should jump on that. A player like Ryan Smyth and Bill Guerin would be beneficial to the team, considering they play gritty and are not afraid to go in front of the net. Face it; Petr Prucha isn’t Rick Middleton. No-one on this team will be, and probably the best kid would be either Callahan or Dubinsky, whom I would not trade. Although Callahan is about 5’0″, he still plays a gritty offensive game, and those are the kind-of players you need. The Rangers need to bolster up the front with some big, power-wingers, and bolster the blueline with crease-clearing defencemen, if they want to make a playoff push/run. Again, look at the ’94 season; Mike Keenan had all these gritty players who would hit and fight anyone. Granted, these Rangers are not the ’94 Cup team, but if they acquire a power winger or two, and a big D-man, they have a strong chance to make the playoffs and make a deep run. And don’t forget about Avery, either.

  53. alex b (the poster formely known as czechthemout!!!!) on

    I think they can and should move Rozy,Voros,Dawes,and Betts.You would be shedding about 8 million in cap space,ten if you dump bell.Eight if you include Avery on the team.

    Rozy-is too indicisive and does not look like he can thrive in this system.He also has a decent trade value around the league,so he can be moved for some good assets.

    Voros- on the Amtrak train to Hartford to join another dumb signing in Riismiller.

    Dawes-decent talent,may one day score 20g and 30A.Should be packaged with Rozy for.

    Betts-good penalty killer,that’s it.Has very little value in Tort’s system.Should be moved for a draft pick.

    So here are the trades I would make.

    Rozy,Dawes,Brodie Dupont and a second rounder for Ryan Smyth,Jordon Leopold.

    Nik Antropov for a second and third round pick.

    Dubi-Drury-Ryan Smyth

    Antropov-Gomez-Zherdev

    Avery-Korpikoski-Callahan/Prucha

    Sjo-AA-Orr/Prucha

    Staal-Girardi

    Redden-Leopold

    Mara-Kalinin

    Looks like a pretty good lineup to me.

  54. Mark (the orginal) on

    I would hope Dubinsky Callahan and Korpikoski go no where. I am very surprised how the Korpedo has turned on his game. I wasn’t so sure of him the first couple months, but the kid can defintely play. If I had to get rid of a youth it would be Nigel, just because I think Avery is coming so Nigel will come out of the lineup anyway.

  55. You don’t even mention that Avery is going through re-entry waivers and any team below the Rangers in the standings can claim him. Will they get him, likely yes, but it’s not a definite.
    Why not be buyers, the EAST is weak and the Rangers can get hot and make a run at the Finals – look at Philly last year. There’s no reason to pack it in and sell.

  56. alex b (the poster formely known as czechthemout!!!!) on

    Almost forgot,I would trade Naslund to another team looking for some scoring like The Wild for Nick Shultz,or the Oilers for Tom Gilbert.

  57. ZzZz 13 ZzZz Rules !! says Greg L. on

    Any one of you guys ever said to Dubinsky or Callahan ‘s face that the Rangers should be sellers come trade deadline day … Dubinsky would call ya an idiot!! Play with passion for the golf course? Callahan would like nothing more that to take a run like the young pens did last year. Marc Staal would like nothing more that to make a run at the cup like his brother did last year….anyone wanna give up on this team should try emagine what Staalsie and the other young Rangers feel…these guys are true Rangers and I want every year with them to be a year that this could be the time!!??

  58. Mark (the orginal) on

    Alex- I would think Antropov is going to get a better return than 2 draft picks. Mathieu Schnieder who is 39 got a 2nd and 3rd from Montreal.

  59. To say Avery is coming here is a bit premature….and to indicate the 20 teams below the Ranger wouldn’t want to touch him makes me wonder why the Rangers would?

    Unless of course Torts has laid it in the line!! Coach Tippett (in Dallas) was “soft” like Renney, so looking forward to Torts showing him who is BOSS.

    That being said, Avery and Mark Bell are huge cap hits even this late in the season….we need to “SELL” if the plan is to re-sign some of the kids this summer.

    Our cap space is at .789, that will be the Sathers biggest challenge this week…and that doesn’t include Avery….You would think someone (Voros/Dawes?) will need to be put on waivers for Sather to re-claim Avery (or it will be real close $$$)

    Riche’….yah at the end of the game last night it was Hank looked to the rafters and said “thank christ, finally!”

  60. At the end of the day, all that matters is salary cap flexibility, and we don’t have that. If we trade or not trade Kalinin, he’s still on the books. One of our fat contracts (Redden, Roszival, Gomez or Drury) need to go, so at the very least, we can keep both Dubinsky and Zherdev. It seems as if Torts is giving Drury tons of ice, along with Redden. Maybe Roszival’s the man to go. You trade him along with Voros and that’s 6 million off the books. Bell can take his place. Dallas has been interested in Roszival all year, so maybe you trade the both of them to Dallas for a decent one of their young blueliners and a pick? Maybe Matt Niskanen and a prospect? How many teams even have the cap room to take a 4 – 5 million dollar hit, depending on what comes back to us? That’s what we have to look at… our future… and one of those guys has to go to keep our young core intact. Players like Korp, Prucha, Dubinsky, etc… most important.

  61. Tort I Taw a Puddy Cat on

    Rangers & Trade deadline
    =========================
    Gomez- Probably the most movable piece of the overpaid players club with Rangers. Front loaded contract and a No trade clause in contract that is more flexible than Drury’s. A few teams out West on the cusp of playoffs would not mind trading for Gomer.

    Drury- Sorry to say, but this Captain (cough) is not going anywhere. High priced contract, limited teams in NTC in contract, and the fact that they will give him a chance to redeem himself. Sorry folks !

    Prucha – If Dawes goes, he stays, and vice versa

    Naslund – Only 20 goal scorer on Rangers and making only $4MM per. Naslund is not going anywhere this year.

    Dubinsky – He will not be traded, Torts seems to like him…..Only way he goes is packaged with others for a guy like Nathan Horton or the likes….

    Voros – Consider him a goner especially since Bell is here.

    Dawes – 50/50 goner…..I can see him going for draft pick or a silly trade with Toronto for Antro. Maybe even Calgary.

    Rangers Defense – I truly believe the entire defense will stay in tack and they will keep all 7 NHL level dmen for the playoffs run and hopefully further. Even Kalinin will stick around…so get used to him this year!

    Betts/Sjo/Orr – Will all stay, as well as Korpedo and Cally. They will drop Korpedo down to 4th line in playoffs if need to sit Orr against a faster team.

  62. by SELL I ment DUMP…

    We are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO fortunate we have not been hit with ANY major injuries this season…(knock on wood)

    greg l says…”WIndow Shoppers”, I agree, because Sather has tied his own hands.

    Canada loves the Rangers!

  63. Tort I Taw a Puddy Cat on

    In regard to Hartford players, I could see the Rangers moving Bobby Sangz since they DZ who is probably alot further along as a total dman. I think Sather saw how holding onto a Montoya for so long cost them a wasted 1st round pick.

    Furthermore, we all know about the other local kid 1st rounder pick, Jessibust, especially everytime Zach Parise puts the frozen ring ding into the nets twine…..Ouch!! I could see Sangz going out West like Gomer..or maybe with Gomer packaged for Gaborik.

  64. TDCHI

    You never know what can happen. The Oilers beat the Wings in the 1st round in 06, and went to the Cu finals.

    There’s always upsets, you just never kow what can happen.

    Also, what has the B’s proven against Nyr ? The beat us 1-0 because if that idiot Dawes, and the other time they blew a 2 goal lead against us in the final 7 mins.

    They’ll sure as be tough, but you never know what can happen in the playoffs. That’s why hockey’s such a great sport. Every other sport people expect the best team to win easily.

    Go Devils ! Ugh.

  65. Rick….I agree sort of, I’m just not sure what will be “new”

    Word on the NHL street, is Torts had to agree to an “Avery Clause”.

    And I think Avery loves “New York” more than he loves “the Rangers”….he will show up, shut up, and play “the third line agitator role” very well.

  66. You know for a fact that Sather isn’t selling…

    Whatever he has in the works will probably be shocking to us, and it probably will turn out badly…

    But he’s going to do something and it’s not JUST Avery.

  67. I know :(

    I read some online paper in Denver (about a week ago) that the Av’s GM would love him back. I doubt Dru would waive his NTC.. I hate NTCs.. they should be illegal.

  68. doogie747 March 1st, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    at the end of the game last night it was Hank looked to the rafters and said “thank christ, finally!”

    Yes!! Great reaction by Hank!

  69. Matt K:

    “Hank is not a top 3 goalie in the league. Broduer yes is still top 3 not matter how much i hate him. Tim Thomas is playing top 3 hockey right now for Boston, which is kinda why he might win the Vezina this year. Next is Niklas Backstrom for the Wild Who ranks top 5 in wins, save percentage and average goals against. Lundqvist isn’t top 5 in any of those categories.”

    Matt, goalie stats are not necessarily the best indicator of how good a goalie is. Nik Backstrom is playing well–but nearly all goalies magically start playing well when Jacques Lemaire is behind the bench (remember Pascal Leclaire?). When you consider how good a goalie is, you have to think about winning a big game. If you have to win game seven of the finals, do you really pick Backstrom over Lundqvist? I sure as hell don’t!

    Tim Thomas is certainly top 3 this year, although Boston has a bizarre record for one-hit-wonder goalies (see Lacher, Raycroft, Carey). Brodeur is slipping in my opinion, but he’s still top 3 (although I hate to admit it). Hank is hovering for the third spot–along with Luongo (when healthy), Nabokov, and maybe one or two others (Kiprusoff when he’s on? Steve Mason if he can sustain it). Bottom line, if the game is on the line: Hank is one of my first three picks. When he’s hot, he’s as good or better than anyone.

  70. james/matt

    As of late, Kiprusoff is bang on!!! Which reflects on the whole Calgary team…Iginla, and the Sloppy Second boy himself Phaneuf is actually playing much better as well.

  71. I think they should stay pat. The young talent on this team hasen’t even come close to their full pontential. If they trade Dawes or korpikoski I guarantee they will haunt the Rangers in the future. If they could get anything out of Voros great, but that ain’t gonna happen. I also don’t think trading draft picks for a rental player is smart. They have no cap room, so if Sather feels he has to pick up Avery fine, but other than that stay pat. Build a great team over time. Ranger fans should have learned patience by now. It won’t take that long just stick to the plan says I

  72. I wouldn’t do too much, I think last night was a glimpse of whats to come…Avery is ours because no one wants him and he wants NY. If we could get Mike Cammalleri or Erik Cole for Dawes, Rissmiller and a pick would be nice. As for Kalinin either Derek Morris if Phoenix really wants to deal or Patrice Brisebois.

  73. kyle???

    You think Sutter is going to “give” the Rangers the hottest sniper in the NHL this year for Dawes and Rissmiller….use your brain!!

  74. Burke has already said he wants no less than a #1 pick for Antropov. and he is not worth it

  75. kyle
    March 1st, 2009 at 2:10 pm
    I wouldn’t do too much, I think last night was a glimpse of whats to come…

    ********************************************

    I completely agree. Here is what I think, its all hindsight know, but I would have wished Sather pulled the trigger on relieving Tom of his duties so Torts can come in and see what kinda of make up in the players he had to work with. That said, how they would have responded to the new “system” and if they still couldnt finish, then come trade deadline – I would make a deal.

    Seeing how last night they CAN finish and LOVE the new “system” I dont think they should change too much. I’d keep all the players as is and depending how they play in the playoffs, season over – I would then move a big contract to resign the kids. But that is just me.

  76. Hank is either ridiculous or awful. There’s not often he’s just “pretty good”… that’s the catch with him.

  77. BTW, I’m not a Sather fan, but the Mark Bell pickup was a good move. A former first-round pick, Bell was a promising young player with two 20+ goal seasons under his belt when he got into off-ice trouble and fell apart. Sather loves reclamation projects, and Torts might be the perfect coach for this kid.

    The scouting report on Bell used to be that he’s big, fast, likes to hit, gritty, and has a decent nose for the net and deflections. If the NYR can manage to get Bell back to form, he would be a huge upgrade over Voros. If not, well, they’ve lost nothing…

  78. Hank’s better than most on here are giving him credit for… if he had an AVERAGE offense in front of him we’d be talking about winning the East.

    Most night’s the guy doesn’t give up more than one or two…

    How many more wins would we have if we had a PP or a consistent scorer?

    Credit where it’s due guys… he’s been fairly awesome all year.

  79. I agree Riche. it’s no coincidence that the Rangers return to the playoffs happened when HL became their goalie.

  80. Doodie Machetto on

    “Guerin to NYR…you heard it here first”

    And that’s the only place you’ll hear it.

    Forsberg to NYR, equally likely.

  81. alex b –

    Not bad, but I’m not sure I’d delegate Anisimov to a 4th line role this year. I’d keep Betts and use draft choices in trade offers. We’ve got a lot of talent coming up the ranks. I’d be happy going two rounds in the Cup race and save my best for next year and a full Tortorella camp.

  82. supposedly Guerin is headed to Wash, though I don’t know what they want with him. they have plenty of scorers

  83. re-sign the kids….(in this order)

    Dubinsky
    Zherdev
    Callahan

    Korpickoski
    Prucha

    Freddie
    Dawes

    Reitz

    Oilers lost their Captain Ethan Moreau last night with a serious eye injury (ouch).

    Guerin (islanders) and Derek Morris (phoenix) both were pulled from their respective line-ups last night in order to wait for trades…

    I would hardly consider these two guys players to put teams “over the top” as far as playoffs go???

    Send Gomez/Callahan/Bell/picks to Edmonton for Penner/Cole.

  84. Absoluetly Joe…

    He’s been a Vezina finalist 3 times with guys named Malik, Redden and Kalinin in front of him.

  85. Bill Guerin is the last player I want. Couldn’t think of a player that would fit worse on this team. Honestly, what would he bring?

    We wouldn’t sign Shanny but we’ll trade for Bill Guerin? Wow, that’d be a monumental mistake.

  86. riche/joe

    Henrik is our MVP no question!! He was so happy at the end of the game last night!!

  87. no way do you trade Callahan and keep Dawes. dawes is everything that is wrong with them . too small and non aggressive smurf

  88. I would try and get rid either Gomez, Zherdev, Rosi, Dawes and Betts for picks and someone who can score. This will free up some roster space and more importantly cap space. Bring up AA from Hartford, hopefully Slats doesnt get Antropov, it will just impede another young kid getting a shot. I have seen enough of Zherdev, sure he has talent, but I cant take his turnovers and bad decision making anymore, plus he is not worth signing to a long term deal. The Rangers need a sniper/goal scorer, not a dancer on the ice.

  89. re: no trade clause……LMAO!!

    Where do these guys get off (morris/guerin), giving a list of teams they will only go to, like I said earlier, hardly the players that would put you over the top??

    Can someone find out who would be on Drurys list??

    (who on the rangers has an iron clad “no trade clause”
    reddon (summertime 3 teams), gomez (?), druery (?)

    Why do some people thing other NHL teams want our shitty small players???

    To get quality you have to give up quality!

    We are not going to be able to sign all these UFA’s this summer. I really like Callahan. But it is the same old story of us having 6-9 third line players….now we have Bell and Avery in the fold, we need to dump some of these players that are not (REALISTICALLY) going to be back with us this summer.

  90. swizzle81 March 1st, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    I would try and get rid either Gomez, Zherdev, Rosi, Dawes and Betts for picks and someone who can score. This will free up some roster space and more importantly cap space. Bring up AA from Hartford, hopefully Slats doesnt get Antropov, it will just impede another young kid getting a shot. I have seen enough of Zherdev, sure he has talent, but I cant take his turnovers and bad decision making anymore, plus he is not worth signing to a long term deal. The Rangers need a sniper/goal scorer, not a dancer on the ice.

    ————————-

    Love the dancer quote haha if we can get picks for Z, definitely — If Antropov is worth a 1, why the hell is Zherdev not

  91. you want to trade a kid, Callahan,23, with hustle,grit desire and

    14 G,10 A,+1,**206** HITS, making 600k

    for a guy known for dogging it, Penner,26, who has

    14 G, 15 A, +3, with only 59 hits, making $4.25 mill per year for the next 3 years to come after this

    no thanks

  92. I definitely don’t want Penner, he makes too much, let’s just sign Callahan to a fair deal… He’s a third liner who deserves some money ~1.5

  93. Chico Resch

    Carp, why would you ever question whether or not to have Avery?!?! He would do great things for this team.

  94. He’s been a Vezina finalist 3 times with guys named Malik, Redden and Kalinin in front of him.

    …..

    Oh really??? Redden and Kalinin were New York Rangers last 3 seasons?

    NEXT.

  95. To rid this team of one of its BIG fat contracts you are going to have to give up something. Not all the GM’s in the NHL are as dumb as Sather.

    We have zero cap space, so standing around doing nothing on Wednesday gives us a lot less options come July 1st.

    I see teams offering Callahan/Dubinsky big bucks on July 1st…how the hell will we be able to match…with what, monopoly money?? I’d take the draft picks for Zherdev, but something else has to give.

  96. nikyzherdev13 on

    First off someone mentioned trying to get Ryan Smyth, howvere he has a no movement clause and said last night he like Colorado and won’t be traded so forget about that one.

    The Rangers and sather usually deal with the same teams often – see Phoenix,St.Louis, Edmonton, Toronto maybe.

    So who does that mean might be in play? Jokinen on Phx-lonhshot, Jay McKee on Blues, Dustin Penner or another fwd or dman from the oil, maybe antropov on toronto-also a longshot.

    Heard that jordan staal may be avail, if so the rangers should try to aquire him somehow.

    Gone maybe betts, dawes, kalinin, rosie, gomer and nassie are long shots.

  97. joe

    Penner is not the right fit in Edmonton. I was able to watch a lot of games 2 years ago in Anaheim, and when surrounded by the right players (selanne/andymac) Penner is a very gifted player. Perhaps a nasland/gomez line would benefit from his big size/soft hands…

    How much do you think Dubinsky/Callahan will fetch on the open market July 1st?? I realize we will be able to “match” anything, but that is a dangerous game to play with these type of players.

  98. getting a rental ufa without giving up the top prospects or draft choices is the way to go

    that way you can let them walk in the summer if he flops, and you only give up dreck like Dawes or mid round picks

  99. Sorry Salty…

    my point was that he’s had some highly suspect guys playing D in front of him. My bad.

    I should have included Rozi in there. I think he scored more goals on Hank last year than he did on oposing goalies.

  100. Sign Dubinsky and Callahan now for a reasonable price before you have to match an offer…

  101. soft hands. soft player is more like it. just ask Edm. 59 hits. thats less than 1 per game for a big guy like that. horrible

    RFAs are not a one way open market. you not only can match, but if someone signs him you get draft picks in return depending on salary

    with UFAs you get nothing in return

  102. Mark (the orginal) on

    OFFER SHEET COMPENSATION
    $660,000 or below None
    Over $660,000 to $1 million Third Round
    Over $1 million to $2.0 million Second Round
    Over $2.0 million to $3.0 million First Round and Third Round
    Over $3.0 million to $4.0 million First Round, Second Round, and Third Round
    Over $4.0 million to $5.0 million Two First Rounds, Second Round, and Third Round
    Over $5 million Four First Rounds

    I think it will be interesting to see if any of our RFA’S get offer sheets. I mean Z is making 2.5 this year if someone were to offer him over 4 I think the team would have to take the compensation, and let him go.

  103. this team still wont make the playoffs.. they have allowed all these teams to catch them and with that i think they should sell if they could unload any of the big contracts.

    the rangers are done. one win doesnt change my mind.

    fla 4-1 pitt 2-0 .

    both teams over final 18 games will be better.

    i hope i am wrong

  104. right, Mark. and that is how the Oilers got Penner in the first place. and now they are dreading that decision.

  105. eric, Buff and Canes likely won’t make it. buff is missing their top scorer and goalie. and canes choked last night, and have missed the playoffs the last couple years the same way.

  106. joe you must be LI Joe…smarter than the rest of us, only your opinion matters….

    Check out Penners stats on the PPG line (penner/perry/getzlaf), the year Anaheim won the Stanley Cup…and his PP time with selanne/macdonald.

    Lowe was on drugs and Penner saw the $$ signs….what do you think a Dubinsky or a Callahan will do this summer when someone dangles $$$ of dollars in front of them??

    For anyone to think the Rangers have the Salary cushion to make any major deals in the next 72 hours, they are mistaken. Avery will push us to the limit.

  107. onecupin69years
    March 1st, 2009 at 1:13 pm
    What happened to NBC hockey game of the week today?

    They had to cancel due to the economy

  108. no, you can have Penner if you want him. I doubt most posters here would agree with you. we already have several overpriced vets. I doubt if many here want to add another one for 3 more years

  109. I think the Rangers should and probably will be neither buyers nor sellers. I think their bug move was hiring Torts and letting Renney go, which is a huge and great move. As of know we still don’t know what this roster is capable of. Carp I’m not sure how you can say we’re short on talent when Renney’s system effectively hamstrung these players for the last 4 months. Just the way boston has allowed their young – Kessel, Kreci, Lucic, etc to flourish this year, the Ragners needed to do the same thing with Dubinsky, Callahan, Prucha, Dawes and Zherdev. I’d say they will probably try to deal Voros ands Dawes for another defenseman and add back Avery and that’s it. I wouldn’t buy or sell – if they’re going to get hot and make a run in the playoffs, great, if not, well, they’ve got the right coaches in place going forward to work with Sather (or if they miss the playoffs hopefully he steps aside for Schoeny).

  110. Matt K. You are an idiot to say the least.

    We have been in the playoffs for the last 3 years for one reason. Lundqvist. Jagr played good a couple years ago as well. We have a terrible defense the last few years and lundqvist has been amazing. Yes i was not alive when Giacomin and JD were our goalies but to agree to sell during the prime of Lundqvists best years is wrong. We have players capable of playing great. Renney just had a crappy system where the forwards got no help from the defense pinching and we obviously dont have any great finishers. A goalie can win you a stanley cup and as long as Drury, Gomez, Dubi and the rest of their crap can put 2 or 3 in a night than we can compete. I agree we most likely arent a Stanley Cup team but to sell is wrong.

    Another point to make. When we sold and gave up leetch, kovalev, and all the other players what did we get? i dont see crosby, malkin or ovechekin playing in ny or anyone other good prospects. The best we got is a 8 goal scorer in dawes, 12 goals in calli and Dubi who scores once out of every 20 games.

  111. Carp- what do you honestly see happening with this team by 3pm Wednesday? If you had to name names who would you say gets moved/brought in?

  112. Doodie Machetto on

    “OFFER SHEET COMPENSATION
    $660,000 or below None
    Over $660,000 to $1 million Third Round
    Over $1 million to $2.0 million Second Round
    Over $2.0 million to $3.0 million First Round and Third Round
    Over $3.0 million to $4.0 million First Round, Second Round, and Third Round
    Over $4.0 million to $5.0 million Two First Rounds, Second Round, and Third Round
    Over $5 million Four First Rounds”

    That is not the correct compensation scale. I think it changes every year along the lines of the cap and league minimum salary. This is what it was for the past free agency period.

    $863,156 or less
    None

    $863,156 – $1,307,812
    3rd round pick

    $1,307,812 – $2,615,625
    2nd round pick

    $2,615,623 – $3,923,437
    1st and 3rd round pick

    $3,923,437 – $5,231,249
    1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick

    $5,231,249 – $6,539,062
    Two 1st’s, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick

    $6,539,062 or more
    Four 1st round picks

    I think Zherdev gets an offer sheet of 3.9, right under the ceiling of the 1st and 3rd. No way anyone gives up a first, second, and third for him.

  113. “Making the playoffs” is like Nirvana, Heaven, and Camelot to expedient, short-term patching idiots like Dolan and Sather. Right, make the playoffs for the next 10 years and it’s ok if we never, again, win the Cup. Why build for a Cup winner when it means we might actually miss making the playoffs a year or two, on the way? Best way, long-term, to ensure making the playoffs is to build for a Cup winner. The connection escapes retarded little minds, upstairs.

    “Just make the playoffs, baby,” is the philosophical backbone for this dis-organization. Who needs Korpi, Anisimov, Dubinsky, Dawes, Prucha, Sanguinetti, Sauer, Potter, etc., when we can get a Guerin or a Kovalev, or a Tkaczuk for about 10 Sykora minutes, down the stretch. Hey, we could have just resigned Father Time Shanahan and kept all our kids, as bad an option as that was.

    Now we know, Coach Tortorella was brought in here to make the playoffs, not win a Cup. Wonder if he knows that? He will by Wednesday’s trade deadline. Sather loves snooping around old junk yard sales, especially the dollar table. Sather has the I.Q. of a peanut.

  114. Hey, Peter, we don’t need to import another G.D. defenseman from somebody else’s junk heap! We have Sauer, Potter, and yes, Sanguinetti, who can run a power play, all of whom, whatever their youth and lack of NHL experience, are a major upgrade over Roszival, Redden, Reitz, and The Kalinin Monster. Sather just brought in Reitz for a donut and a cup of cold black coffee, what more do you want, EVERYBODY’s bargain sale rejects? Damn, this hiring from without because “we have nothing but junk down on our farm” is S I C K! And an indictment of what Sather thinks of his own drafting “prowess.”

  115. Hey, Carp, what parts of my proposal do you think is pipe dream and what parts are semi-realisitic?

    Package Valiquette, Prucha and pick to Colorado for Hejduk and Raycroft. Hejduk is signed through 2010 at 3.9 per, and the Avs desperately need a goalie.

    Package Gomez and Dawes for Andrei Kastsitsyn and Plekanec. Montreal needs a center, has cap space, and was a major bidder for Gomez in ’07.

    Ditch Voros.

    Kastsitsyn – Plekanec – Zherdev
    Dubinsky – Drury – Hejduk
    Avery – Korpedo – Callahan
    Bell – Betts – Sjostrom

    Staal – Girardi
    Redden – Roszival
    Mara – Kalinin

    Lundqvist
    Raycroft

    Honestly not sure what to do with Naslund in this scenario; I realize his NTC makes moving him unlikely.

    We’d clear a bit of cap space with these deals.

    Whaddya think, Carp? Are these trades doable and would they help?

  116. Mark (the orginal) on

    Doodie- You are correct with the compensation, took that from the original CBA, which is wrong because obviously the cap has went up each year, my bad.

  117. Just for you, Peter, we are going to bring back Backman, our “Brillant” trade deadline D acquisition of a year ago. Now go set off some fireworks in the street, you are so happy.

  118. ERIC –

    When we traded Leetch, Kovalev, etc, what we got was YOUNGER! Deal with it.

  119. the Pens have won 3 in a row with Cindy Crosby out. ha. maybe they found the problem

  120. Well at least Redden has looked better since Torts came on deck. Do you think he was slacking because he didn’t like Renny’s system? He sure looked like a tree out there at times before standing still, but in the past couple, he looks actually pretty decent

  121. cakeass
    yes we got younger. did we get any better or get anything out of selling all our best players? no. i am comparing that to a team now which is in a playoff hunt and has potential to win a round or two possibly. i hate sather and every move he has made. but with avery and lundvist, this team can do some damage

  122. Doodie Machetto on

    Package Valiquette, Prucha and pick to Colorado for Hejduk and Raycroft. Hejduk is signed through 2010 at 3.9 per, and the Avs desperately need a goalie.

    Package Gomez and Dawes for Andrei Kastsitsyn and Plekanec. Montreal needs a center, has cap space, and was a major bidder for Gomez in ‘07.

    These deals are just terrible. No to mention they would put us over the cap.

    Awful.

  123. guess i missed that then..

    RE: Redden
    he needs to grow some balls still, and he needs to be more of a QB than a bi-ch on the blueline

  124. Doodie — no, they would not put us over the cap. Go to hockeybuzz and check for yourself.

  125. The last thing I want is for Avery to come here and start friction between Sather and Torts. I hope there is a way we pass up Avery tomorrow. The pot doesn’t need to be stirred up just yet.

  126. Avery
    What is wrong with you people? Did u watch the rangers the last two years with Avery? All he did was stand up for his teammates, score goals, agitate the other teams best players and he kept our own players on edge which is great cause this team is full of players who play with no passion. Just like avery fought Malik last year, am i not the only one who wants to see avery give redden a beat down in practice and tell him to start playing like a hockey player?

  127. Another Avery item

    Also, am i the only very excited for the first interview that Giannone has to give Avery since there big fight when dallas was here? We also need avery to figure out who on the other teams is a minor leaguer. Without avery we would have no way of knowing this information.

  128. Doodie Machetto on

    “We have Sauer, Potter, and yes, Sanguinetti, who can run a power play, all of whom, whatever their youth and lack of NHL experience, are a major upgrade over Roszival, Redden, Reitz, and The Kalinin Monster”

    Yes, you know that Sauer, Potter, and Sanguinetti are all better then Redden, Rozsival, Reitz, and Kalinin based on Corey Potter’s two NHL games, and Sauer and Sanguinetti’s 0. What a prognosticator you are.

    Truth is Rozsival is a 3-4 defenseman on 26 teams in the NHL. His problem is that he’s compensated and used on our team as a 1-2 defenseman. He can’t QB the PP, but if he’s on the point in a supportive role, and actually releases that GREAT shot he has, he can put up 10 PP goals.

    Redden is terrible, no question, but he’s been better lately with Torts. I feel like we should give him a chance. Same for Kalinin, although that Smyth goal was largely his fault.

    But Sauer is looking like an AHL lifer, Potter also is looking like another 5-6 guy. Sanguinetti has potential, but he is just TERRIBLE at playing defense. So, we’ll see if he ever gets a shot.

    But there is no way that as of right now those three guys are better NHL quality defensemen than Redden, Rozsival, or Kalinin.

    Maybe Reitz, because I think he and Potter are about equal quality.

  129. Doodie Machetto on

    Sorry, let me correct myself. The Colorado deal would put us over the cap. The Montreal deal would put THEM over the cap. not to mention neither team would go for those deals, ESPECIALLY the Colorado deal.

    Yeah, give up your team’s best goalscorer for an impending UFA player and a fringe NHL goaltender, also an impending UFA.

    As for the Montreal deal, yes, give up your best promising young players for a 2nd line center. Yeah, another winner of a deal.

    Dude, this isn’t EA Sports. I don’t think they would even work there.

  130. first time posting. last nights game was awesome so happy to see the rangers get it together for atleast a game. cant wait to see avery back in blue, and we should get rid of redden and look for some young talent. i hate everything about redden, he even looks like a douche.

  131. Doodie —

    C’mon, dude. Maybe the deals are optimistic, but do you have to make me sound like a dribbling retard?

    My deal included Vally PLUS Prucha (who is younger than Hedjuk and has had a 30 goal season, lets not forget) and a pick. It might take a 1st round pick; I didn’t specify. So don’t make it sound like I’m proposing something totally bombastic. Plus, Avs are DESPERATE for goaltending. Who knows what kind of moves they’d make.

    Additionally, the Habs are going to be active. They could clear space, and they will. Check TSN, brother. Dandeanaut (sp?) has requested a trade–that’s 1.5 mill right there. That deal alone would make my deal close to fitting for them.

    BTW, Gomez would be a big part of their future, and giving up a 50 point winger and a smallish center for him isn’t out of the question. AND Dawes would fit well with that team–may even hit close to 40 points.

    So don’t condescend or attempt to belittle with your sardonic commentary.

  132. All I know is I want Korpikoski, Callahan, Dubinsky, Mara, Staal, and Girardi all back on this team next season.

    WHO CAN WE DUMP BLOMEZ ON!?

  133. Noonan —

    Minny, Columbus, and Montreal are all looking for centers.

    Yotes apparently want to move Jokinen, and some have suggested that a Gomez for Jokinen trade may be workable (of that I have my doubts, since Gomez is so expensive).

  134. yea isn’t gomez cap hit like 10 million next season? jokinen HATES ATL but IMO it’d have to be a package deal (first rounder, and maybe even a prospect) to land Jokinen for gomez.

  135. “Grachev just beat the Battalion’s record for most goals by a rookie (36). The record was previously held by Raffi Torres.”

    Of all the Rangers prospects I’ve seen play, Grachev is the only one who gets my hopes high.

  136. Carp
    Great post. Have to agree; outside of the entertainment value of having Avery, now that the new regime is in place it makes less sense.I would still take him rather than trading youth away for the other guys( Tkachuk, Guerin and other vets I absolutley agree with staying away from)although you might say that Avery and his 1.9 million a year cap hit is de-facto giving up youth…

  137. Kaspar

    I agree with you. Avery if they want to make a run at the playoffs. But, I would rather them make a move in the offseason, dump a big contract, sign all the young guys and perhaps find themselves a big winger. OR bring up Grachev or AA.

  138. Avery is a 1.9m cap hit for the next 3 years, and he gets more PPG than anyone on the team, except Gomez.

    With so many RFAs and UFAs, grabbing Avery is a safe bet. What if we don’t grab Avery, but somehow Prucha, Sjostrom, Dawes (oh no!), Dubi, Cally get offer sheets. Then what do you do?

    I’d love for Slats to dump a big contract, but it won’t happen.

  139. Re “There is no way as of right now those three guys (Sauer, Potter, Sanguinetti) are better NHL defensemen than Redden, Rozsival, or Kalinin.”

    There is a way – it is called having the GUTS to dump under-achieving vets, in favor of taking a good look at the best replacements your farm system has to offer. Safety-first, that is – the Glen Sather way of keeping players who are a pronounced liability, in lieu of getting rid of them in favor of taking a shot with your best kids, is the most self-defeating philosophy you can have in professional sports. Let’s say Sauer makes it big-time, Potter becomes a journeyman, and Sanguinetti busts = you come out ahead. Sticking with three guys, two of who are a colossal bust, and one, as you say, and I agree, a number 3 or number 4 NHL D, at best, represents the INDECISION which translates into losing ground, every time.

    And imprisoning your best farm club D’s in the minors until they are 24 or 25 is the best way I know to stay light years behind the forward-looking organizations like Chicago and Boston, which will probably compete with eachother in the Cup finals, in the next couple years, while the Rangers – WHOPPIE, continue to make or just miss making the playoffs. This team needs a new blueprint for success, DOODIE.

  140. “Showcasing Kalinin is like showcasing Bozo The Clown for the Bolshoi Ballet.’

    reminds me of the week leading up to the 10-2 loss; kept reading that the Stars were going to be looking over Ranger Dee-men in a possible Avery to Rangers deal…and then we get whooped 10-2…No trade partners for our dee after that

  141. Why would you dump 3 NHL D men to take a look at 3 minor league D men? Wouldn’t make sense to look at the D men first (say, in training camp/preseason/beginning of next year) before just dumping Redden, Rozsival, or Kalinin. Probably makes too much sense for you.

    Redden and Roszival are going to thrive under Torts, you can see it already.

  142. Carp — The third option would be to remain status quo, and ride things out. Colby Armstrong, who is an RFA, would be a great pick-up. And reasonably affordable, I would think. Draft pick?

  143. NYI POINT BLANK: Chris Botta reports the Islanders have sent out a series of texts saying there will be no news tonight on Bill Guerin’s trade status and no timeline on any announcements, leading Botta to conclude there is no trade

  144. Status according to NYRinPHX’s post.

    Bill Guerin’s trade will be announced by tonight do to the fact that Chris Botta is completely worthless.

  145. I don’t think the Rangers will do anything til we know whats going on with Avery.
    So until we know we get him or not we do nothing.

  146. Did you guys check out the Hockey Rodent’s take on Redden not stepping up for his team mates? Hysterical!

  147. I was at the hospital with my wife, who gave me another beautiful child, and got lucky that the game was on ch.11. As I was watching how great they did, the first thought that I had was they can get Torts system down and do dAmage in the playoffs. Once the NYR drug effects wore out I came to my senses and figured they should SELL, SELL, SELL. No sense giving up any youth for this year when they really haven’t shown any signs of doing anything in the playoffs.

  148. Tort I Taw a Puddy Cat on

    22figure8, best of luck & congrats on your new bundle of joy…..I am gonna guess it was a girl ! :)

  149. I think Betts is a goner. A team like Detroit or San Jose could use a good face-off guy and penalty killer.

  150. Mark (the orginal) on

    22figure8- Congrats, and in shocking news the baby was born on a day the Rangers actually won.

  151. Congratulations 22! Best wishes to all of you.

    He / she must have been the good luck charm!

  152. Tort I Taw a Puddy Cat on

    22figure8, in order to put a stem on the apple…you gotta keep your socks on and face north….

    ofcourse, like you, I have 2 beauty young girls (5yr & 1yr) and couldnt be more happy…

    the only downside is that they will never be eligible for the NHL : (

  153. Has Avery been waived whats to stop Dallas from just leaving him in the AHL? I mean he is across the country what is he bothering them. And if he was waived down to the minors isn’t he not hitting the cap? Wasn’t that the point of waiving Rissmiller?

  154. Mark (the orginal) on

    Jorek- Yes he is not hitting there cap, but they are still paying him his full salary right now, so when claimed by the Rangers or whoever they will only pay half.

  155. jerkins perkins(mike in ia) on

    but hey 22, i got my lil girl into hockey its the cutest thing man. shes turning 3 in april and she keeps askin me when im bringin her to a hockey game. sucks i live in iowa now cuz all shes gonna get is the iowa chops! but yea good for you and keep pluggin away champ, im sure you’ll get a son

  156. I’m not so good with these cap hit numbers but Guerin is being paid 4.500 for this year…So do we need about 1 million in space to take on his contract for the remainder of the season??

    That being said, will Avery also cost us 1 milion for the remainder of the year?

    If we only have .789 cap space something has to give.

    Congrats 22figure8, she can always play at the Olympics…and a hockey scholorship would help as well!!

  157. My dad took me to my first game when I was 8 or 9 so my oldest, 22 months, has a wait. Plus I sit in the blues, not a great place for kids. No greater feeling than bringing a child into this world. 6/14/94 was definitely one of the happiest days in my life, but having a child is the best. Thanks everybody!

  158. Long term contracts will kill this team (and the NHL).

    If the NHL is trying to convince Agents that the Salary Cap will hover around $56 million next year and then drop between $6 – $10 million in 2010-11 Sather must be stopped now!!

  159. I think Betts is a goner. A team like Detroit or San Jose could use a good face-off guy and penalty killer.

    …..

    Unfortunately, I agree, I think he’s done here. I *really* like Blair (Bel-Aire, as they call him!), but he fit into Renney’s system much more than he ever will under Torts’. I wish Blair the best, and if he’s going to get dealt I hope it’s to a real contender and he gets to be part of something special.

    Prucha, there’s a guy I will really be disapponted if they let go right now. It’s so CLEAR that he will *flourish* under Torts… please don’t let the kid go, not yet. There is so much upside there.

  160. jerkins perkins(mike in ia) on

    salty- yes prucha will do much better not only under torts system, but because hes actually playing!! i hope betts doesnt get traded. hes a great player for the money he makes. last night i was watchin the avalanche feed and they were sayin how prucha was a 30 goal scorer and had such great potential but has dried up. what they didnt say was he hadnt played regularly at all this year and when he did he got barely any icetime. last season he wasnt good but im glad we still have him and i think sather really wanted him playing and thats another reason rennys gone

  161. jerkins perkins(mike in ia) on

    i really would like to know why renny was so down on prucha. he mustve talked alot of crap about renny and renny found out or somethin. but then again he isnt known for his defensive prowess. thats probably half of it but there has to be somethin else to it to play voros dead ass instead

  162. RE: Zipays blog…

    Who would we give if we were in on this??

    I mean it might not even be bad as the Islanders were stuipd enough to sent Comorie and Bergenhim for Mccamond

  163. Mark (the orginal) on

    The Islanders deal was great for them. Mike Comrie was not there future as he is a UFA after this year, and was being paid 4 million dollars this year.

    They got back Mccamond who is also a UFA, and they got back an all important 1st round pick. Islanders are set up to have a great draft. I am sure more picks will be coming to them as well when they dump Guerin.

  164. what they didnt say was he hadnt played regularly at all this year and when he did he got barely any icetime.

    ….

    ya but you really can’t expect the in depth analysis of Prucha to be known anywhere really outside the immediate fanbase/media…

    At a glance, the Prucha situation does seem like a “dry up, flash in the pan” thing… (hell, he might really be “washed up”… but I seriously doubt it, only way to really know is to hold onto him a little longer and see what he’s got)

  165. reginald dunlop on

    I just want to get back to the mini brawl last night in the corner where Redden did not grab on to Laperriere, how was he [Lappy] let out of the box and Orr wasn’t. I sat almost directly on the red line 10 rows up benind the penalty boxes and could see Orr standing up trying to look down by the scrum. Lappy should have got a game misconduct, a player leaving the penalty box after serving a penalty has to go to the bench and not join a altercation. I can’t find my rule book but cant beleive at our home Orr was not let out by the official while we were outmanned during the scrum.

    evidently you can’t see the penalty clock from your seats, or know the game of hockey….the penalty to Laperriere was on the clock and he got back on the ice when the time expired…….Orr’s and Sjostrom’s were coincidental penalties with the four minutes given to McCormick …those penalties all ended at 1743 but they can’t get out until a whistle….Laperriere could re-enter play to even up the sides….the next scrum occurred at 1748…a whole five seconds after Laperriere’s penalty was over……LEARN THE GAME…..

  166. Take An IQ Test Please on

    Wait let me get this right: There are people here who want Glen Sather to make trades to fix the bad moves that Glen Sather made in the first place.

    What part of how dumb an idea this is do these people not get?

    Some of the people and their ideas make me think that they should require IQ testing before allowing them to post.

    Oh yea Glen Sather is going to fix the Rangers at the trade deadline after all these years of screwing up the franchise.

    And I have some scenic beachfront property to sell you in Phoenix.

    The best move that Sather can make would be to retire and let Schoeny and Tortorella fix the mess he created

  167. IQ test

    Great points. Regardless… trade deadlines are too exciting. In this day and age most fans of pro sports suffer from immediate gratificationism. Not gonna change. All analysis falls short. Fans want a chance. Now.

  168. Congrats 22 – i’ll be in your shoes in 7 weeks (although for me its 1 boy + another boy on the way). They’ll both be encouraged to skate but Ice Hockey’s not a major sport over here, kids want to play soccer, rugby or cricket.

    Back to NYR: I can’t help thinking Roszi is on his way – all talk of Kaberle, Kuba and Leopold makes me think Roszi’s salary and role on the team will mean he is making way for one of the above (and if not he free up plenty of salary to add a forward). As for Guerin or Smyth, its not worth it, neither will make us a real contender – we’d be better hanging on to the draft picks, we’ll be needing youngsters to make up the numbers while we’ve got those big 4 contracts on the books over the next 4-5 years.

  169. Let the record show that I think Avery is a pretty bad idea at this point. Under Renney, fine… but we don’t need him with Torts here. Next season, it will become issue after issue again… Avery… a distraction and a liability.

  170. Hey, Jerkins Perkins
    Iowa eh?

    My sainted cousin used to be playing coach of the old Waterloo Blackhawks years ago…..are they still around?

  171. JP at 12:06 AM says about Prucha: “then again he isnt known for his defensive prowess”, a comment that is made quite a few times on this blog. While I agree that he is not anywhere near a Selke winner like Datsyuk, Peca, Yzerman, etc. I disagree that he is a major defensive liability. I think that is a myth created by our dearly departed late “coach”. If you watch the few games he played he has always raced back when needed and made quite a few good plays to break up odd man rushes. Last game he went down to block a shot, something I have seen him do many times while something I have never seen Dawes do.

  172. Doodie Machetto on

    I’ve been on record since the end of last season that I don’t want Avery here. I still don’t, especially now that we literaly do not have enough cap space to keep him and our RFAs.

    I really hope Torts gets some say in roster decisions.

  173. jerkins perkins(mike in ia) on

    salty- yea around here u better do that or they’ll jump on u later. i think i said somethin good about renny once or somethin bad about the team and now im a renny lover.

    fran- all i know is we have the des moines buccaneers, dont know which league they are in, and the iowa chops, the ducks minor league affiliate. i moved here 3 years ago but have never heard of the waterloo blackhawks. its pretty far north from where i am so they still might be there. all i know is the iowa stars who the chops replacedd used to be the dallas affiliate and i seen hanks brother joel here it was pretty cool.

  174. Doodie Machetto on

    Toyman, watch Prucha in the defensive zone. He frequently loses his positioning and leaves his point man open while chasing the puck. That’s not what he’s supposed to do in that situation. That’s hockey 101: wings cover the point.

    Just like another hockey 101 that our defense doesn’t seem to grasp: on an odd man rush, play the pass and leave the guy with the puck to the goaltender.

  175. jerkins perkins(mike in ia) on

    toy- yea but pruchas also tryin to impress the new coach too. i even seen zherdev lie down to block a shot the other day. im not sayin he should be a selke winner, im just sayin that was one of the reasons renny didnt play him, and im sure theres more to it, just thats all i could really think of that renny wouldnt play him

  176. We NEED AVery!!!!!
    Make him captain! Lord knows he would do a better job at it then Drury. Drury has no leadership assets whatsoever. No fight, barely scores. DO you think Drury would actually drop the gloves with anyone?? Real captains do that.

    BTW, the hockeyrodent has no business blogging this team or even having his own website. He does a TERRIBLE job. Whether they win or lose, he consistently looks for ways to bash the team. He’s brutal!!!!

  177. jerkins perkins(mike in ia) on

    doodie- yea actually i remember i think a game against the habs at home where he totally messed up and let his man free for an odd man rush that they scored on. either that or it was the islander game where streit came in from behind and prucha was supposed to be coverin him, and it led to a goal against. i see him do things like that sometimes and he needs to work on it

  178. “Just like another hockey 101 that our defense doesn’t seem to grasp: on an odd man rush, play the pass and leave the guy with the puck to the goaltender.”

    They MUST have been coached to do that by Renney and staff. No way would all of them consistently make that mistake and never be called out on it by their coaches. That is something everyone learns well before Peewees. No way all 7 of them don’t get it. That’s coaching.

  179. The Avery thing is a real gamble… just like any trade with anyone would be at this point I guess, mostly because of the new coach.

    Our “big tradeable assets” are all big question marks because we don’t know how they’ll fare (or how the sytem will fare without them) under the new regime, for example:

    Prucha… completely blackballed by Renney… now getting consistent ice/pp time

    Betts… integral part of Renney’s PK and logged a ton of ice time… now seems expendable.

  180. “”Just like another hockey 101 that our defense doesn’t seem to grasp: on an odd man rush, play the pass and leave the guy with the puck to the goaltender.”
    They MUST have been coached to do that by Renney and staff. No way would all of them consistently make that mistake and never be called out on it by their coaches. That is something everyone learns well before Peewees. No way all 7 of them don’t get it. That’s coaching.”

    This is a pretty standard comment on this blog. Traditional coaching theory is to always negate the pass and that is what was taught for many years. That’s great for kids but that theory has since evolved for higher levels.

    If you always play the pass you are in essence giving the puck carrier a breakaway, a high percentage shot. Depending on the circumstances you can challenge the puck carrier.

    Think about it, you’re defending a 2 on 1 versus Ovechkin and Brashear. Do you let Ovechkin go practically one on one with your goalie or do you make Brashear take a pass and try and get a good shot? Which situation is more likely to score a goal, that’s the situation to try to negate as a defenseman.

    Not saying you don’t usually play the pass but its not a hard rule in coaching anymore to only play for it.

    Taking the critical thinking a step further, do you think these guys got to the NHL by not knowing how to play a 2 on 1? If the defensemen where standing in front of you and said to “you guys don’t know how to play 2 on 1s, they teach you this in PeeWees” do you think they might disagree??

  181. Mike in IA

    Do you really think these guys are trying to “impress” Torts? They are just playing hard the way they should have and the way they have always wanted to. I have seen a completely different team these past 3 games. This is the team what went 10-2 at the beginning of the season.

  182. Re Betts

    any chance he finds offense under Torts like the defensive forwards on the Devils (Pandolfo and Madden) did with a new coach?

  183. Riche’

    I think Shoney told Torts how important Betts & Sjo are on the PK. I mean it is RANKED SECOND in the league. They arent expendable for the price, they are definite keepers. Besides, Torts was quoted in the media how the liked the way they both played on the PK.

  184. from Domi’s article…

    The Rangers have approximately $3.45 million of pro-rated cap space to spend approaching Wednesday’s trade deadline, with $1,937,500 of that presumably committed to Sean Avery. Waiving Mark Bell would clear another $1 million or so, but the Rangers may be keeping the forward as potential protection against losing out on Avery, who will be placed on 24-hour re-entry waivers at noon today by Dallas.

    so we have 3.45 to play with? how is that…

  185. not till noon tmrw re avery.

    betts has no offensive ability. if they can get a decent pick for him id trade him right away b/c hes a ufa and not worth paying any more than what he currently gets just to kill penalties

  186. Pete

    The fourth line isnt expect to be very offensive. And all 3 players on the 4th line cost under $2mm. They are VERY good at what they do and just because they dont score doesnt mean each player doesnt do their job right. When have you see Orr take a stupid penalty? or any of them for that matter. If you cant see what Betts brings to the team, they Im sorry you really dont know the defensive side of hockey.

  187. PruBelongsOnTheIce
    March 2nd, 2009 at 10:31 am
    He’s going on waivers today at noon. He will clear tomorrow at noon.

    He won’t clear though, so expect some news today.

  188. uh please i see what betts brings to the table, but i also think we can teach younger kids to kill penalties and for less money. so if u can get a decent pick for him id move him. and the 4th line doesnt have to bring a lot of offense to the table, but they should bring some. look at the detroit teams that have won cups, their 4th line would always chip in some big goals, that really never happens with our group of guys. i admire their effort for sure, but they have no hands

  189. No one wants Betts. Betts’ hockey abilities are a dime a dozen . By that I mean,no hands, no nose for the back of the net, but alot of hustle. An upgrade to a player who can check as well AND put the puck in the net 10 to 15 times a year is what the 4th line needs.

  190. I think Betts is the hardest working Ranger since the lockout. He does, however, have considerable trade value for his PKing.

    Unfortunately, getting rid of Betts will worsen the PK and overall ability of the 4th line. I know he doesn’t score much, but he shows lots of heart on the ice and is a great teammate.

    I’d move any of our “stars” before Betts (besides Hank).

  191. I agree with Mako, that fourth line is effective on both a cost basis and what they’re asked to do. The only way I see the Rangers doing anything with any of those guys is if they had the foresight to say “we’re bringing player X up from Hartford and we need to get him ice time”, which seems unlikely or if they’re convinced both Orr and Betts will want more money as FAs next year that they can’t afford, so why not capture some value by trading them now.

  192. PruBelongsOnTheIce
    March 2nd, 2009 at 10:31 am
    He’s going on waivers today at noon. He will clear tomorrow at noon.

    He won’t clear though, so expect some news today.

    Teams have 24 hours to put a claim in on him. Pittsburgh can wait until 11:59 tomorrow to put their claim in and since they’re below the Rangers in the standings, he’s theirs. So we won’t know anything until tomorrow afternoon unless Dallas put him on waivers yesterday.

  193. SELL & JJP

    Yeah I know. He is VERY hard working. I dont remember which game it was but he put on a PK clinic and Sam & Joe replayed the clip. He blocked 2 shots, broke his stick, blocked another shot and kicked the puck out of the zone. These are typical plays by him and you dont see it because it not ever highlighted like it was in that game. Its what he goes in EVERY game.

  194. This whole Redden contract still baffels me. There has to be a performance clause in his contract. He is an aging player. You mean to tell me to protect himself Sather’s lawyers wouldnt tell Reddens agent “Well what happens if he plays like sh*t? We dont want to be handcuffed to him with no key” I cant imagine him getting stuck with him for six years with out a way out. I know we dont see the fine print. But there has to be. Wouldnt it make sense?

  195. UESBlueshirt on

    I think Sather & co. took a gamble on him needing the cliche “change of scenery” since he had worn out of his welcome in Ottawa.

    Unfortunately they gambled $39MM on red and the roulette wheel stopped on black.

  196. UES

    I know they gambled, but there HAS to be a way out. Like I said, I dont think Sathers lawyers would have let him get stuck with him for 6 years with out a way out.

  197. Doodie…Sometimes you make good points. Other times you pontificate like you are Emile “F-ing” Francis and you created the game.

    You actually think you know more about hockey than the coaches and the players on the NYR? Why the F are you a blog guy and not a pro scout or an assistant coach or GM?

    “That’s hockey 101…”

    Well dude, keep your phone lines open because I think Slats might be calling for the new GM slot. You actually think that NHL defensemen forgot how to play D in 2 on 1s or that it was coached the “incorrect” way as you suggest.

    Laughable….Get over yourself.

  198. there is no out in redden’s contract, it’s not allowed in the cba. We can only trade him to a team that he hasn’t blocked (good luck there), waive him or buy him out. Those are the only options.

  199. if anyone was going to answer me about nhl on the numbers or whatever that site is nevermind… I think I should stop posting it was my second really dumb question of the day… and its still really early…

    (the orange means they are estimates and I don’t know what my problem was there)

  200. UESBlueshirt on

    Maybe if we win the Cup Redden will retire? Laughable.

    I kind of gave everyone a bit of a clean slate after Renney got fired. Redden earned back a few shreds of respectability when he scored in Toronto. The D in general has just looked sharper under the new system. I think they were feeling the strain like Henrik where they knew they had to be perfect in order for them to win since they weren’t scoring goals.

    The passing out of the defensive end has gotten a lot better. Point is, they’re not getting systematically beaten like they were before. As much as we know they don’t have a Norris trophy candidate on the blueline, you had to think that the constant blown coverages and lack of organization when it came to breakouts was not all on the players. It too often looked like no one knew what everyone else on the ice was supposed to do. Now that every knows they want to get puck out and up the ice quickly there’s a ton more cohesion to their game in all 3 zones. Look at the Devils for instance. I’d say man for man they’re about even with the Rangers in talent, but the Devils D knows that their job is to get the puck to the forwards and they spring a ton of odd-man rushes.

  201. Is Aves a Ranger yet ?

    Anyway, im getting a little nervous, everyone keeps telling me that Slats is getting Guerin. Ugh, i don’t know aboot that one.

    I just hope they keep Pruchs, and get rid of Kalinin, and Dawes at least.

    As for Betts, and Shoes. Eh, no big loss, losing one PK’er isn’t the end of the world. Korpedo has looked damn good on the pk, and remember Aves was a damn good pk’er for Nyr paired with Straka. Im in favor for a physical 4th line, so i wont cry if they get dumped, and wont care if they don’t.

    I just wanna see them win !

    It sucks the Pens are in 8th place right now, i don’t want them to make the playoffs, unless they verse the Crapitals in the 1st round. Then im all for it.

  202. i dont think we should dump on Renney now that he is gone. He helped us get to the playoffs 3 years in a row and more importantly taught our kids how to be good defensively.

    Those defensive teachings are gonna be monumental in our young players development. Zherdev was given up on by Ken Hitchcock for his horrible D-play and lazy back-checking, but under Renney he has been great in those facets.

    Because of Renney, Blair Betts and Freddie Sjos have more trade value, and Korpikoski has been a solid 3rd liner in his 1st season.

    I think having Renney set the stage for Tort’s will be a great complementary progression for our players. In the past they have groomed their “D-game” and now under Tort’s they will be able to be more creative in their “O-Game”

    I also dont think Sather has done a bad job in recent years at the deadline. Summer free agency … yes, but his deadline deals have been fine.

  203. jerkins perkins(mike in ia) on

    also with redden and players in similar situations, they can always be waived if they dont perform well. but redden has been playing better and hope he gets even better especially on the pp.

    mako- yea i think some of the players were tryin to impress torts. some guys wanting to keep their job and some wanting more icetime.

  204. I’m not trying to take away anything from the players or the staff but if there ever was a time to play hard its been the last few games. There has to be guys on the team who don’t want to get traded/demoted or have something to prove to a new coaching staff.

  205. “You actually think you know more about hockey than the coaches and the players on the NYR?” — New Newman

    Actually what is kinda sad is that many people on this board who have likely never even put on a pair of skates knew more about what was wrong with the Rangers than the previous coaches did.

    Because everything Tortorella has said about the way these players should play this game is almost word-for-word what quite a few anti-Renney posters had been writing for almost a year.

  206. jerkins perkins(mike in ia) on

    orr- as much as i like aves, i just dont see him coming here and having the effect he had last go round. i would rather just save the money for our free agents next year. although i think by getting him we increase our chances to go further and if we played jersey it would be some good stuff to watch. very entertaining but idk, im for it if sather can dump a big contract so we can sign doob, Z, korps, vally, etc.. as for betts, i really like the guys effort and pk skills and think we should keep him. if anything get rid of voros and sjoe. betts makes peanuts and is earning his damn check and then some compared to other guys on the team.

  207. Sather Free agent signing have been horrible since the lock out. Here are just a few: Kevin Weekes,Marek Malik,Matt Cullen,AAron Ward,Patrick Rissmiller,AAron Voros, and Jason Ward.

    As for trades: Adam Hall for D.Moore, Sandis Ozolinsh for a pick. Need I say more.

  208. somerset

    Good points on Renney, he did build a solid foundation from which to build.

    And the Rangers needed another coach to get them to the next level, and I am sure as heck glad we got this coach. Now Torts needs a better scoring winger and a hard-nosed defenseman.

    Lets not forget Torts had Vinny, St. Louis, Boyle and Richards in Tampa Bay. We don’t have a Vinny or a St. Louis or a Boyle, but we might have more depth.

  209. renney didnt improve our young players at all, if anything they all regressed the longer they played for renney. staal may be the exception, but renney did nothing to improve his offensive game despite the fact that he is our best defenseman at the age of 21

    anyways the coward is gone and now its time for torts to teach these players how to play nhl hockey

  210. jerkins perkins(mike in ia) on

    i also realize betts is more of a fit in rennys system but still think he has a role for this new coach. i also think our pk style is very aggressive and a few players like cally and korpi are good at it. so yea its easy to replace betts and i also think torts was tryin new guys on the pk because betts may indeed be lookin to get moved. so either way, no huge loss but still i always fel much better when betts is on the ice killin penalties than other players.

  211. Roc –

    You haven’t even come close. Cullen and Aaron Ward were both good pllayers who Renney misused. Those are some of his BETTER signings. If you wanna play, play well: Zdeno Ciger, Igor Ulanov, Dave Karpa are my personal favorites, and that was all in one year.

  212. alex b (the poster formely known as czechthemout!!!!) on

    Renney should just shut up already and move on.I’m sure he’ll get an asst. coach gig somewhere down the road.He will never get another head coaching job in the NHL.

  213. “Here are just a few: Kevin Weekes,Marek Malik,Matt Cullen,AAron Ward,Patrick Rissmiller,AAron Voros, and Jason Ward.”

    IMO, Cullen should’ve been signed instead of Drury (and we could keep Gomez).

    Rissmiller is a 4th line replacement for when Betts, Sjo and/or Orr are gone via free agency. Rissmiller is a solid 4th liner, don’t let his 2 game performance fool you.

    Voros is a waste.

    Ward is a decent player, but he got us Avery.

    Weekes was a solid backup, IMO.

    Malik… :(

  214. Speed Ranger, SELL! SELL!
    Avery’s fate will be unknown until 11:59 am tomorrow.

    It could be much later. Don’t all the other teams not claiming him have to be given time to claim or not claim?

  215. jerkins perkins(mike in ia) on

    anyone see the lightning flames game last night? holy crap we are damn lucky to have hank in net for us!!. 8-6 game. crazy. my god cammalerri has been awesome for calgary this year. hes a sniper i wish we had

  216. Thats 24 hours and 9 minutes before you can call Avery property of the Rangers once more…..

    I don’t see Sjoes getting traded, he’s an RFA and seems to fit well with the team and the style of play. I like Betts, but him, Kalinin and Mara are all UFA’s at end of season and most likely to get a little value in return (and can be replaced with a Potter/Sanguinetti/Moore/Byers)

  217. think anyone can put a claim in anytime b4 noon tomrw and just the lowest ranked team gets him at noon

  218. jerkins perkins(mike in ia) on

    the teams have to claim him or he clears waivers and if nobody claims him before rangers, then we will pick him up

  219. “Because everything Tortorella has said about the way these players should play this game is almost word-for-word what quite a few anti-Renney posters had been writing for almost a year.”

    That’s nice but doesn’t Tortorella actually have to put up some wins either this year or next before you can start patting yourself on the back?

  220. No Dominic, not forget aboot it, fahgettaboutit.

    Looks like we’re gonna be here a while…

  221. Peter-

    I was talking about post lockout. Cullen and Ward were disappointing. Ward more than cullen.

  222. alex b (the poster formely known as czechthemout!!!!) on

    And this is why the Wild suck!!!!! Lamere(SP) and his trap happy style does not work when you are not allowed to clutch and grab.His team connot score and they go out there and aquire a journey man center for the playoff drive.

    As a side note,it looks to me like the trap happy coaches are being fired left and right! It’s the best thing that can happen to this great game we all love.

  223. JJP

    I’ll stop patting myself on the back when you start acknowledging how you blind you were to the previous coach’s incompetence.

    But by the nature of your post, it sounds like you’re still not sold on that point …. which simply confirms my sense of how stuck in the mud you remain.

  224. One thing is for sure… Torts is going to need bigger, tougher players in order to play the way he wants to.

    Renney was defense, positioning and transition, very little physical play because it most likely got a player out of position.

    He needs more git up front and with Drury, Gomez, Zherdev, Naslund, he isn’t going to get it, he needs more size for his style of hockey to be
    successful on a consistent basis,

    At least that’s my opinion

  225. I hope we do some selling to create some cap space for a legit 1st line player and or 1st pair defensemen.
    That from my perspective would be the better choice for next season and beyound. Give the coach some real horses to ride, right now you have some willing colts and some donkeys
    but no Stud.

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