Hey, another victory!

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Nobody on this blog is celebrating, I’m sure, this victory over the Islanders. Nobody is putting any emphasis on it other than the Rangers did what they had to do. They had to beat the Islanders. Or, the other way around, they couldn’t lose to the Islanders.

But it wasn’t the Red Wings, and it wasn’t even the Flyers or the Panthers. It was the Islanders. So the Rangers should take the win, be glad that they did a few things well, be more glad that some of their big-money players decided to jump off the milk cartons, and move on.

They simply avoided a disaster last night. That’s it.

Some points in review:

1) As I’ve been saying for a while, I’m not sure Glen Sather ever intended to fire Tom Renney, and may wait until the season is over to evaluate his coach. It no longer is available on the internet, I don’t think, but Larry Brooks wrote the same thing in an early in the Post.

(We often write one story that appears in the early editions, with deadlines too early to include the game; then replace the early story with the story about the game; it’s standard procedure but sometimes some of our best writing isn’t seen by most readers).

Brooks noted that in Sather’s entire career as a GM, his coaches have been himself and his cronies/organizational people (Muckler, Ron Low, Ted Green, Kevin Lowe and Renney). He hired two guys from outside his circle: George Burnett and Bryan Trottier, and neither of them lasted 60 games. So it’s not likely Sather will go outside for a guy like John Tortorella if he was inclined to fire Renney. And he might not be inclined to do so, regardless.

Sam Borden and I discuss this over at the Faceoff blog.

2) Here are a few more voices, with whom many of you will strongly disagree, writing that Renney is not to blame for what’s gone on, or pointing out how hamstrung Renney is with the roster he has. 

Sam Borden wrote a column on Renney for The Journal News and LoHud.com today, and you can see that here. 

And the Post’s Jay Greenberg wrote on a similar subject, which you can read here. 

3) Last night marked the 41st anniversary of first game at the “new” Garden, which is now the second-oldest arena in the NHL. (Kenny Albert found out that Flyers goalie Doug Favell had the first fight in the building, against Reggie Fleming).

I was thinking this could be the last game in the building if they lose because the fans might tear it down.

4) I thought I noticed in St. Louis that Scott Gomez and — forgive me for saying this — Wade Redden were playing better. Last night was the best game by either of them that I’ve seen. And Chris Drury stepped to the plate, too.

I know there’s a lot of venom built up for these guys, but they may be your only hope of anything happening this year or in the next few years. They have to be better, because they’re not going anywhere, and much as it pains you, you might have to actually root for these guys to get it together. They will never live up to their contracts, but if they live up to their annual statistics that will have to be good enough.

I nearly fell out of my chair when Redden took that hit to clear the zone on the empty-net goal.

5) They have to play Petr Prucha every single game now, right? Or trade him. I’m sure he was one of the players Phoenix was scouting, with Don Maloney and two other Coyotes scouts in the building last night.

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  1. Jeez Carp. Don’t break an arm trying to pat Renney on the back. If Renney ever goes on trial for something, I guess we know who his defense lawyer will be.

  2. Korpikoski? I came in late and missed an explanation as to why he was not dressed for last night’s game. I hope his great play of late (called “scoring”) is not the reason Renney sat him. But, then, that would be better than his being injured.

  3. Korpikoski has an “upper body injury”. That’s why he was out.

    I’d move Prucha to Phoenix just to finally put an end to the drama around the guy.

    It’d almost have to be a draft pick coming back, just to free up some cap space for another move. I don’t see Phoenix giving up any players for him, at least none that we as Rangers fans would want.

  4. I just read that post by Sam Borden in the Journal News and really don’t agree with what he was saying….to an extent.

    Yes, we can discuss how little talent surrounds Tom Renney and how the players aren’t playing to their full potential, but to say the Rangers aren’t giving up on Renney isn’t true at all. As we have seen on numerous occasions, the Rangers’ heart just disappears in a game when they go down a goal or two and they let a flurry of chances happen; and just watch the opposing players skate around with ease.

    I think it’s pretty accurate to say that we have seen this at least five-plus times over the past two weeks, which is a growing concern, despite the recent win over the Isles. If they didn’t beat the Isles last night, there would be panic.

  5. I loved the Gomez goal. You can obviously see that he took a double take and his body language was like, “About f’ing time I get a damn lucky bounce!”

    Besides that, I hope this game builds some confidence for this team, especially with the next three games being crucial to our playoff hopes.

    Also, I am interested alot about this phoenix scouting presence. Prucha definately has to be the guy they are looking at, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they are looking at Callahan and Dawes as well. I feel they probably will be looking to get Callahan from us. The difference with Prucha and Callahan is Callahan “gets it,” meaning that he plays night in and night out with the same heart while Prucha has only proven to the scouts that he is willing to play with heart when his job is on the line.

  6. I like Renney and he shouldn’t shoulder the full blame for this. It all starts with Sather.

    However, Renney and his assistants need to coach the PP better and get it functional. Can guys actually try to move without the puck to open lanes?

    The coaches need to stop juggling lines so often. You would think that there would be some consistency by this time in the season.

    And they need to keep Prucha in the line-up every night. Unless you are getting something great back, he should not be going to Phoenix. He is one of the few who plays with emotion and makes things happen.

  7. I would be a lot more impressed with the “it ain’t Renney’s fault at all” crowd represented in part by Carp and Greenberg if they had only seen as many games this season as many of Renney’s detractors have.

  8. “Brooks wonders if Maloney might be interested in Rangers winger Petr Prucha or if the Rangers are interested in Coyotes defenseman David Hale.”

  9. The Isles are as weak as an NHL team can come. Seriously, this game is tied if an ECHL goaltender wasn’t in net. I’d even venture to say many amateur adult league goalies would have stopped Gomez’s shot. It was complete luck, a lousy shot right into his gut that got away from him.

    Truth is Renney’s system is stifling this teams offensive capabilities, which are limited to begin with. Renney is responsible for the players we have underachieving. Sather is responsible for not having the roster to compete with the best.

  10. I personally was pulling for the loss last night. This team simply cannot afford to go on the way it has for the last few seasons. Whatever needs to happen, NEEDS to happen. Redden Drury and Gomez squeaking out a fart of an appearance is a “good sign” but Renney will *never* have the respect from this team he needs to “right the ship” here and the opportunity to to gain that respect was lost LONG, LONG ago. (Ex. Renney can’t start “toughening up” at this point and expect anyone to take it seriously, he’s already shown his softness in nature and anything else I think the players will see right through, see a desperate man gasping at straws he’s never tried before, and will not respect it.)

  11. Sorry if i am not getting too giddy over Gomez’ play – i am actually quite angry!

    Yes he played well, dare I say, great yesterday! But the fact that he’s still capable of playing this way, and according to my count this is only the second game all season that he has actually put forth this effort, begs the question……Where the F have you been all season? I would actually be more accepting if i knoew his skills have diminshed this much, and that he just can’t do the things he used to. But this is not the case. So after signing a huge contract, playing in the best arena in the world for the best team and fans in the world, Gomez has given us TWO GAMES ALL SEASON.

    IF HE CAN STILL PLAY THIS WAY (as he demonstrated lasst night) THAN WHY DOESN’T HE PLAY THIS WAY ALL THE TIME?…or give us at least half the time.

    Can someone please answer this question for me?

  12. Why are you guys all so fixated on what Brooks writes? The guy has had an agenda all season, having thorougly trashed every move the team made in the offseason and predicted gloom and doom that, even despite the current downturn, has yet to fully materialize if you look at the big picture (winning record, fairly secure in a playoff spot despite their obvious deficiencies). Everything he writes, whether the team is winning or losing, is filtered through the context of his wanting the team to fail in order to vindicate himself. I find him to be thoroughly unprofessional as a beat writer in that regard, and I think that all of you, especially the other beat writers and the proprietors of this and other blogs, should get over him and think for yourselves.

  13. not to nit pick, BUT, why not…?

    You are right Carp, they didnt beat the Wings, Flyers, or even the Panthers – they barely squeaked by the worst team in the league – as admitted by their own fans – (give them a +1 for rivalry impact)…

    In reality, it shld have been an OT game – the Gomez goal was a softee, and correctly identified by maloney as not a “real” PP goal, as it was just a shot off a rush.

    Gomez/Drury/Prcha/Dawes/Cally played well and hard last nite; Redden did not (yes, he took a hit with 12 secs remaining) – but, he pinched in leading to an odd man rush; his passing, shooting and “checking” remains just just plain soft; Girardi is def tentative on offense because of him – worst contract in the league – DO NOT expect him to take another hit for for the rest of the season. Rosie had a bad game, but still prefer him to Redden.

    I know it repetitive, but I dont understand the prucha thing, as far as I can tell he does all those “get dirty” things that the coanches have been urging the team to do and gets benched – AND even drops the glove with a guy 30 lbs heavier and 4″ taller – lotta heart in that guy – Naslund needs to be rested.

  14. If they can continue to play well, I’ll be pleased. But it won’t really change the underlying problems this team has… whatever they are.

    Regardless, at this point, I think they could lose every game for the rest of the season and Renney would NOT be fired. If anything was going to trigger it, it would have been last night.

    Does Glen Sather even watch hockey games anymore?

  15. Doodie Machetto on

    As good as Prucha was offensively (very, VERY good), he was TERRIBLE in the defensive zone. He kept leaving his assignment at the point, most obviously on the Streit goal.

    But more than once he would go to the puck and leave his man. I saw him point a bewildered Dawes to the right point at one time during the game because Prucha was heading for no man’s land along the far boards.

    But his offensive work was so good, I don’t know how anyone could sit him right now. And I’m even more baffled about him not being on the PP. I can understand him not being on the PP late, just because it was more of a “don’t let them score a shorty” than a “lets score a PP goal” situation. But still, he should’ve been out on every powerplay before that.

    Oh, and bless his little heart, he fought Bergenheim, who outweighs him by almost 30 lbs.

  16. Carp,

    What is the scoop on Borden? What is his history and his experience? I mean he says, “Naslund is getting paid half of what Jagr did but is not half the scorer he was.” Now if you are talking about flash and command and dominance, I can agree with that statement. But Naslund has 35 pts in 59 games which would be around 48 pts in 82 games. Jagr had 71 pts in 82 games and loafed his ass off til the last 25 games of the season. So Naslund at half the value of Jagr was a good trade in pure points. We miss Jagr’s dominance for sure, but Naslund actually is better than half the scorer Jags was. So Borden muddles fact and opinion or is at least conveniently unclear to buttress his argument.

    His argument is not way off base, but it has more holes than just that. The players quit on Renney. Maybe not every game, but it is apparent that they don’t care. That is a direct reflection on Renney. They don’t like his system. To hear guys say stuff like, “We had to break the mold and just go out and play like we can,” (in the Washington game, their best effort over the past 10) means that they are tired of Renney’s system. After one of the losses Renney skated them hard for 30 mins and they came out and lost 10-2. What do you call that? If it sounds like a duck and looks like a duck….

    The players don’t like Renney’s system. And judging by the fact that it is like Lemaire’s and the Wild are in 11th place in the West, maybe those two need to figure out a new system.

    And the powerplay? Who’s fault is that? Not playing Prucha on it? Keeping Redden out there day in and day out? Sorry Borden, that is on Renney’s shoulders. Who the heck has them standing around tripod-style in a 5 on 3? Two guys camped on the doorstep of the goal waiting for the cross ice pass? Yeah, that’s really tough to defend. Either the Ranger players are uncoachable and stupid or the coaches themselves are clueless. You tell me. You know where my vote is.

    Maybe Renney has his hands tied by Sather and doesn’t want to disrespect his boss. But if at the end of the day Renney doesn’t have the balls to call the shots, he is in the wrong place. But to put the blame solely on Sather for the Rangers’ woes is misplaced and a cop out. Renney can’t get off the hook that easily. Shuffling lines multiple times a week or multiple times a game? Who the heck does that?

    I have said before that this roster is Sather’s fault but a good jockey can get a horse to run fast. 50-50 split of the blame might still be letting Renney off too easily. I could do better with the powerplay that much I can tell you. I sure as hell wouldn’t be giving up more SHG than PPG we score!

    On another note: Paul Mara has a torn labrum, I hear. No surgery needed right away but he will be playing with this for the rest of the season and then need surgery after the season (probably mid April!!) This also means that his shots from anywhere on the ice will be reminiscient of Straka’s last year when he had a tweaked shoulder. (My sources told me all of this…believe it or not, I don’t care…but I think this is the correct prognosis.) The media tells you it’s all good cuz he doesn’t need surgery. But reality is that he will be playing hurt and weak, if he plays.

  17. Doodie, Agreed, Prucha was bad in his own zone – but his contributions on “O” (great work on Dawes goal) offsets that, especially right now… as for PP – I would put him out there and let Hank worry about that – I am sure LQ would prefer 2 goals for, in exchange for two 2-on-1s against (as long as the “1”, isn’t named Redden).

    .on PHX as a trade partner -not a whole lot to get excited about on that roster – Jovo is past his prime (getting big money), I would prefer Derek Morris/Keith yandle over him.. David hale – not so good (and an ex-Devil).. they also have some good young guys with potential, but that would cost us some youth in exchange.

  18. Maybe Phoenix would offload Carcillo in a deal, he has been horrible this season. He could bring scoring to the 4th line, and some much needed grit in case the Avery situation doesnt work out (which I dont think it will)

  19. REPOST:
    Anybody else hear Henrik call Gomez “Mr. Muffin” in the Post today? Apparently because he has a soft shot.

    Good to know.

  20. “As much as I’ve been saying “OMG TORTORELLA!” I think Nolan would be the perfect coach for this squad.”

    Chief Nolan is a whiny little b****…

  21. the Streit goal was after Prucha had been slashed and was clearly laboring right?

    Rick,

    nice to see they finally have your profile not Sam’s on the page…

  22. onecupin67years on

    As long as sather remains as GM , why should he go outside the org.? and who would be willing to take such a job without full authority and power to play whomever,chose assistants and etc.?
    And ,why come here if sather may be going? The new Gm would choose his own loyalists.
    So, let the train wreck roll ,we’ll see in the playoffs if they make the playoffs, and the delay only gives dolan time to seek out someone with relevant hockey knowledge to replace sather and renney and etc.

  23. Prucha & Dawes for Carcillo & Derek Morris and still pick up Avery.

    Get rid of voros and buy out Redden at the end of the year.

    If Marbury and Jerome James can earn all that money doing nothing…why not Redden.

    Oh and fire Sather.

  24. Angry Whopper….put down the heavy medication…this team needs carcillo like it needs another wade redden. no idea where that came from but please, keep your whopper in your pants. silliest suggestion i have seen on this blog in dog’s age.

    prucha was chasing the puck on the streit goal yes. should dawes have shifted to the other side, maybe. staal and pru went to double team that guy with the puck. but what i don’t get is that 20 secs before prucha was slashes by freddy krueger and there was no call. i was surprised at that.

    anyway, any further updates on avery…anyone?

  25. PP is trying still trying to be “too cute”. rozy, girardi or redden wont shoot cause they are looking for the perfect deflection or slap pass. throw the puck in the slot, with a low shot which is very important, have both wingers drive to the front of the net while the center is creating traffic in front, sometimes have the wingers switch sides this way they are moving so they can get to a loose puck faster than the d-man that is idle for the opposite team. Ive seen this done by the canadiens when they had the best power play a year ago. Also if a d-man is a step ahead of us, our d-man should pinch, almost always, but not halfway the way we do it, if your going to pinch, do it with authority. Good teams d-men always pinch really good to keep plays alive. U dont need big players to do this, just team cohesion. I dont know how pearn doesnt know this.

  26. Carp.

    Your I-Hate-Glen-Sather agenda permeates every single thing you write. It’s getting old now.

    I understand you like to bash the team but that is getting a little old now too. How about giving us things that we can’t get anywhere else. I can read Ranger and Sather bashing at any number of message boards and fan sites on the internet.

  27. Gotta call a spade a spade, Redden did indeed take a hit to make a play, which inevitably lead to the puck being cleared out of the zone.

    I wouldn’t call it a $6 million play, but I can’t help to think that if he made more hustle and sacrificial plays like that we wouldn’t be on him as much.

    He just comes across as a lazy hockey player sometimes.

    Specifically, I noticed that when forward dump the puck into the corner on one-on-ones with him, he simply allows them to skate by unevaded, rather than getting in front of the guy and interfering (without touching) or pivoting and attempting to beat the player to the puck.

    Might seem like a small issue, but it’s plays like that which add up to winning and losing hockey games.

  28. DomivBaumgartner on

    prucha for carcillo is the worst trade ever. You’re giving up a small sized goal scorer for a under sized goon.

  29. Good post Newman.
    I just want the Rangers to win. It’s going to be like this the rest of the year. Up and down. They will push hard to get to the playoffs, and they should get in. If they get past the first round, they won’t get past the second round.
    Hale for Prucha would be a win/win trade. Gretzky’s would give Prucha the ice time he needs to show that he can score 30 goals again, and that will never happen under Renny.

  30. domi v baumgartner…thanks! agree! carcillo and voros are the same except carcillo has less scoring talent and more fighting talent. not what we need at all.

    brandon…word! i have been noticing that left and right. redden avoids all contact. can someone tell me why we don’t just send him down to the minors (zero cap hit, is that right?) or trade him somewhere and agree to pick up half his contract (is that possible?) to reduce our cap exposure? what am i missing?

  31. Steve, I don’t hate Sather. I don’t like him, and I don’t think he’s done a very good job, but I don’t hate him.

    Everybody’s talking about what’s wrong with this team, this roster, etc. Should I lie and say everything’s great at the top of the organization? Must be the trainers’ fault. Or Prucha’s.

    What do you want to hear?

  32. Knowing Sather, it’s probably Prucha, Dawes, and a first round pick to Phoenix for Eddie Jovanovski.

  33. mikey mcdick section 312 on

    i was at the game last night and boy everyone was on edge to start the game. I wish gomez could play like that every game. Id have to disagree with you on redden carp. Why is Redden on the pp? He misfired to girardi atleast 3 times that resulted in us having to clear the zone. Also on our last penalty kill redden tried to clear the puck twice in a row on his back hand and failed. Which resulted in the islanders making a line change while still in our offensive zone. That could have been bad news. We were calling for his head last night. The only thing positive he did all night was with 12 seconds left taking the hit to clear the zone that led shoes goal. He’s still a waste to me.

    I hope the boys rebuild from this victory and we can put up a good performance in buffalo. Btw i liked the new guitar solo in the goal song we were all rockin out haha.

  34. Would anybody else rather have Ed Jovanovski at 32, then Derrek Morris at 30? Eddie’s playing better right now.

  35. Newman,

    Look at Carcillo’s stats from last year.

    He has talent, lots of it and he is a guy with balls.

    look at the devils..they have clarkson..he would be our clarkson.

    Carcillo and Avery would bring passion back to this team..instead of the boring games I am forced to watch all the time.

  36. DomivBaumgartner on

    scratch that. Lisin and Jovo for Redden and Prucha, that way we give away a 26 year old small goal scorer for Lisin who is 22yrs, 6’2, 190 and has a lot of potential and could be a strong 3rd line winger.

  37. DomivBaumgartner February 19th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    scratch that. Lisin and Jovo for Redden and Prucha, that way we give away a 26 year old small goal scorer for Lisin who is 22yrs, 6’2, 190 and has a lot of potential and could be a strong 3rd line winger.

    And why would Maloney do this? He’s getting a younger but far worse player in Redden. Then he’s getting an older potential 25 goal scorer, for a 22 year old 20 goal scorer.

  38. doodie,
    the streit goal was a direct result of drury getting behind the puck, instead in front of the puck on the sideboards. staal had okposo tied up, and drury came in on the wrong side of the play causing an islander to come free with the puck to make the pass.

  39. DomivBaumgartner on

    Matt K. February 19th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    DomivBaumgartner February 19th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    scratch that. Lisin and Jovo for Redden and Prucha, that way we give away a 26 year old small goal scorer for Lisin who is 22yrs, 6’2, 190 and has a lot of potential and could be a strong 3rd line winger.

    And why would Maloney do this? He’s getting a younger but far worse player in Redden. Then he’s getting an older potential 25 goal scorer, for a 22 year old 20 goal scorer.

    throw a minor leaguer in there.

  40. Redden's A Theif (but a good passer) on

    Don Maloney may not be Albert Einstein. But he’s smart enough not to trade for Wade Redden with that contract. For that matter there are 29 GM’s in the league that understand how foolish that is.

  41. Hey Rick – you do a great job!
    Sather is to blame for the state of the Rangers
    Why he did not sign Jagr last February! to a 3 year contract is a joke.
    The Rangers are not that bad of team.
    Look what Lindy Ruff does with his lineup year after year.
    Renny could get a lot more from his players, if he had a clue.

    As far as a coaching change, again, Sather will not make the best choice for the team, he will make the best choice for himself. He will not hire a Tortarella or a Nolan
    he will only hire one of his boys.
    Hopefully he will make a mistake & hire Schonfeld

    Keep of the good work Rick!

  42. Carp – Don’t even bother responding to some of these fools. All it does is keep them around.

    Addition by subtraction never made a stronger case that it would here.

  43. DomivBaumgartner February 19th, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    Matt K. February 19th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    DomivBaumgartner February 19th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    scratch that. Lisin and Jovo for Redden and Prucha, that way we give away a 26 year old small goal scorer for Lisin who is 22yrs, 6’2, 190 and has a lot of potential and could be a strong 3rd line winger.

    And why would Maloney do this? He’s getting a younger but far worse player in Redden. Then he’s getting an older potential 25 goal scorer, for a 22 year old 20 goal scorer.

    throw a minor leaguer in there.

    A minor leaguer? That still won’t get it done.

    Redden 31 – SUCKS/Ridiculous Contract
    Prucha 25- 25 goal scorer
    Career Minor Leaguer?

    for

    Javo 32 – Doesn’t suck/Team Leader
    Lisin 22 – 20 goal scorer

    Still Not Gonna Get ‘er Done.

  44. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Rangers won last night only because of the poor opposition. Isles had them beat several times, it was only their inexperience and a crossbar that saved the game. It’s hard to want your favorite team to lose or not make the playoffs, but let’s be realistic. There is no way that this horrible “system” gets them anywhere and there is only one way to get rid it.

  45. Johnny LaRue February 19th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Rangers won last night only because of the poor opposition. Isles had them beat several times, it was only their inexperience and a crossbar that saved the game. It’s hard to want your favorite team to lose or not make the playoffs, but let’s be realistic. There is no way that this horrible “system” gets them anywhere and there is only one way to get rid it.

    I was at the game last night. The Rangers hit about 5 cross bars before the Dawes goal. While the Isles hit one all night. Yeah the system sucks, but don’t say a cross bar saved the game for us.

  46. DomivBaumgartner on

    Matt K. February 19th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    DomivBaumgartner February 19th, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    Matt K. February 19th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    DomivBaumgartner February 19th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    scratch that. Lisin and Jovo for Redden and Prucha, that way we give away a 26 year old small goal scorer for Lisin who is 22yrs, 6’2, 190 and has a lot of potential and could be a strong 3rd line winger.

    And why would Maloney do this? He’s getting a younger but far worse player in Redden. Then he’s getting an older potential 25 goal scorer, for a 22 year old 20 goal scorer.

    throw a minor leaguer in there.

    A minor leaguer? That still won’t get it done.

    Redden 31 – SUCKS/Ridiculous Contract
    Prucha 25- 25 goal scorer
    Career Minor Leaguer?

    for

    Javo 32 – Doesn’t suck/Team Leader
    Lisin 22 – 20 goal scorer

    Still Not Gonna Get ‘er Done.

    What do you suggest then? Sather really made some poor decisions eh?

  47. NYR have 23 games remaining. Currently they have 68 points. I think it was Renney, the math genius, who once said that it takes 94 points or better to clinch a playoff berth. Rangers have 11 home games and 12 road games left.

    That means the Rangers would need to go 13-10 for these last 23 games to get 84 points. Let’s take a look at their remaining games and determine where 13 wins will come from on this list –

    vs Flyers (4x) which consists of a pair of home and home series
    vs Pens (1x) in Pitt
    vs Debs (1x) MSG
    vs Iceholes (1x) @ Masoleum

    vs Carolina (2x)
    vs Montreal (2x)
    vs Toronto (2x) upcoming home and home
    vs Buffalo (2x)
    vs Boston (2x)
    vs Ottawa (1x) MSG

    vs Florida (1x) MSG
    vs Minny (1x) MSG
    vs Atlanta (1x) in ATL
    vs Colorado (1x) MSG
    vs Nashville (1x) MSG

  48. Rick,

    Prucha should be in the lineup over Voros and Korpedo will be back on Saturday. Prucha is no savior but Renny needs to play his best players bottom line.

    the Islander goal was clearly Prucha’s fault, he chased a guy down low only 50 feet out of position for Prucha.

    Man Streit is much better then Redden it is not even close…..

    Take any win but remove voros and add korpedo and maybe they can generate 3 goals!!!!Miracles do happen.

    Reitz needs to play smarter with the undisciplined penalties….Kalinan has been decent recently just trying to get it out of the zone no cutsie stuff…

  49. I can’t imagine how people believe the coach is at fault for the problems of this team.

    The team lacks all legit scoring, with an old Marcus Naslund leading the scoring charge. Historically neither Gomez or Drury has ever lead a team in scoring so why are fans expecting it now? Because they got paid 7 million? Sorry but that isn’t the coach or the players fault.

    Keep an eye on how many times the puck jumps over, bounces off or outright misses their sticks. how often are passes off the mark, preventing the D from one timing the shots from the point on the PP? These are little minor mistakes being made day in day out by a mediocre team which the good teams don’t make. They contribute to the losing but they can’t be blamed on the coach. The coach can only tell them where to position, not how to catch a pass. If you are in the NHL you should know how to already. Stop blaming the coach.

  50. no one has answered my redden question and i ask because i don’t know enough about minor vs big league in terms of cap space and whatnot….why not just send redden to the minors? doesn’t that free up cap space? what about trading him somewhere and only having to pay half his contract (like Jagr)?

  51. Because of Jagr’s success the past three seasons, Sather got off the hook with the media from his disastrous previous seasons. Now that no one on this roster can carry the team anymore, Sather’s incompetence is once again obvious.
    Sather’s disdain for the fans should also be noted. He has purposely gotten rid of any player who was popular with the fan base — Jagr, Shanahan, Avery, Kasparaitis, Ortmeyer, Barnaby, Leetch, etc. And as Carp noted, he only employs sycophants. And he probably won’t resign because he doesn’t want to give fans the satisfaction. Google his comments from the pre-lockout season — he’s a nasty egomaniac who has an exaggerated reputation in the Canadian hockey world.

  52. NorthCountryRanger on

    Why would we want anything from the steaming carcass that is the Phoenix coyotes? Who are we gonna get from that team that will help us score goals????? NO ONE… Shane Doan? good luck getting him w/o giving up Dubinski… + the guy is just perfect for the mold of team leader/top player on one team, but sub-par, inefficient, lazy and underachieving once he gets to the Rangers… Oli Jokinen?? Please, another dud in the making….. SEND MALONEY BACK TO PHX EMPTY HANDED AND DON’T LET HIM BE THE I TOLD YOU SO VOICE ON PETR PRUCHA!!!!!!

  53. New Newman – they won’t send Redden down because it would make Sather look bad. Period. That’s why he is NEVER going anywhere aside from a trade (which is a pipedream with that contract).

  54. * 4 of the Rangers remaining 14 games will be vs the Flyers…..All games vs them will be Post trade deadline.

  55. DomivBaumgartner February 19th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    Matt K. February 19th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    DomivBaumgartner February 19th, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    Matt K. February 19th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    DomivBaumgartner February 19th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    scratch that. Lisin and Jovo for Redden and Prucha, that way we give away a 26 year old small goal scorer for Lisin who is 22yrs, 6’2, 190 and has a lot of potential and could be a strong 3rd line winger.

    And why would Maloney do this? He’s getting a younger but far worse player in Redden. Then he’s getting an older potential 25 goal scorer, for a 22 year old 20 goal scorer.

    throw a minor leaguer in there.

    A minor leaguer? That still won’t get it done.

    Redden 31 – SUCKS/Ridiculous Contract
    Prucha 25- 25 goal scorer
    Career Minor Leaguer?

    for

    Javo 32 – Doesn’t suck/Team Leader
    Lisin 22 – 20 goal scorer

    Still Not Gonna Get ‘er Done.

    What do you suggest then? Sather really made some poor decisions eh?

    To get Javo and Lisin

    Rangers:

    Dawes 24 – Can Be 20 goal scorer in right system
    Prucha 25 – 25 goal scorer
    First Round Pick

    For

    Coyotes:

    Javo 32 – Team Leader/40 Points a Year
    Lisin 22 – 20 goal scorer.

    1st round Pick might be too much, but i don’t think Dawes and Prucha will get Javo and Lisin alone. I might offer a 2nd or 3rd first.

  56. Many peeps here talking about sending Redden to the AHL….Meanwhile, NYR’s are playing him 25 minutes a game! lol

  57. NorthCountryRanger on

    wake up people we need a REAL top scorer not JOVOcop! we need a player who’s gonna average a point a game!

  58. Redden's a Theif on

    Scratch that. Apologies. Gomez and Drury have NMC’s. Redden has a limited NTC where he supplies Sather with a list of 10 teams in which he will accept a trade.

    Somehow I doubt PHX is on that list.

  59. And the rumor mill last night at the Garden: The reason the Rangers played so bad Sunday against the Flyers was that Colton Orr was married Saturday and his team mates, well partied a little late with a early game Sunday. Carp, are truth to this?

  60. DomivBaumgartner on

    Matt K. February 19th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    DomivBaumgartner February 19th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    Matt K. February 19th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    DomivBaumgartner February 19th, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    Matt K. February 19th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    DomivBaumgartner February 19th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    scratch that. Lisin and Jovo for Redden and Prucha, that way we give away a 26 year old small goal scorer for Lisin who is 22yrs, 6’2, 190 and has a lot of potential and could be a strong 3rd line winger.

    And why would Maloney do this? He’s getting a younger but far worse player in Redden. Then he’s getting an older potential 25 goal scorer, for a 22 year old 20 goal scorer.

    throw a minor leaguer in there.

    A minor leaguer? That still won’t get it done.

    Redden 31 – SUCKS/Ridiculous Contract
    Prucha 25- 25 goal scorer
    Career Minor Leaguer?

    for

    Javo 32 – Doesn’t suck/Team Leader
    Lisin 22 – 20 goal scorer

    Still Not Gonna Get ‘er Done.

    What do you suggest then? Sather really made some poor decisions eh?

    To get Javo and Lisin

    Rangers:

    Dawes 24 – Can Be 20 goal scorer in right system
    Prucha 25 – 25 goal scorer
    First Round Pick

    For

    Coyotes:

    Javo 32 – Team Leader/40 Points a Year
    Lisin 22 – 20 goal scorer.

    1st round Pick might be too much, but i don’t think Dawes and Prucha will get Javo and Lisin alone. I might offer a 2nd or 3rd first.

    Jovo makes $6.2 million a year. we would be right up there against the cap which would make for absolutely no signings for a couple of years. Especially with the dire situation the economy is in, we’re more likely to see the cap come down.

  61. Drury was able to successfully clear the zone because he spends a lot of time golfing in the off season and has a chip shot that would impress Sam Weinman. Obviously the golf skill translated to hockey.

  62. DomivBaumgartner on

    NorthCountryRanger February 19th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    wake up people we need a REAL top scorer not JOVOcop! we need a player who’s gonna average a point a game!

    Rangers need to address two things!!!

    1. Number one center

    2. Number one D-Man

    we don’t have a superstar upfront or on the blueline. The GM signed a bunch of role players to big contracts.

  63. I HATE HATE *HATE* the “talent” argument and how it’s being used to absolve Renney of all responsibility. The team collapsing, playing down to weaker teams, low scoring, lousy power play, disorganized … these were problems LAST YEAR, they were problems THE YEAR BEFORE THAT. Years when we had Jagr, Shanny and much stronger core of defensemen. In fact these have been problems for the whole four seasons TR has been head coach, a time period during which we have had THREE massive turnovers in player personnel. So what? All the guys on all these rosters were lacking talent?

    +A league lead in “too many men” penalties is NOT A TALENT ISSUE
    +A league lead in short handed goals given up is NOT A TALENT ISSUE
    +Benching the players who are actually producing or giving them LESS ice time while overplaying the same handful of guys on even strength, on the powerplay AND on the penalty kill is NOT A TALENT ISSUE

    I’m willing to bet that if this continues Korpi, Dubinsky, and Prucha at the very least will become the new Marc Savards: written off as “not talented enough” because they were poorly managed until they break out on other teams.

  64. Doodie Machetto on

    Every year people talk about Jovo, and every year they need to be reminded: He has a NTC, and has openly stated he really likes Phoenix and doesn’t want to move his family.

    In other words, he’s not going anywhere.

    I do like Carcillo.

  65. Rick,

    I love your Sather hating (or disliking, whatever you want to call it). I hate him. He views this job as semi-retirement. I’m convinced he won’t fire Renney because he’s too lazy to make the effort to find a replacement. That would require interrupting a fishing trip. And God forbid the man did an interview to explain this mess.

    It’s about time the media started holding him accountable.

  66. I do think it’s better. The more the fact that Sather is responsible for this team is discussed amongst fans, the more the media will pick up on it. And the more the media holds Sather accountable, the more likely it is that he will eventually be removed. I realize that when you are dealing with an organization owned by Jim Dolan, this can be a very slow process, since he is not particularly responsive to what the public thinks (see Isiah Thomas), but I’ll take slow progress over none.

    Sather has to go. Firing Renney will not be a solution, since a new incompetent Sather-lackey will replace him.

  67. I really really hope they don’t trade Prucha. Once upon a time there was an undersized player on the NYR name Mike York who played with lots of heart and created some magic offensively and we traded him for a scumbag named Tom Poti. It broke my heart and if Prucha is traded, it will have an identical effect.

    I mean, does anybody actually think Voros is a better player than Pruchs? Nevermind the size. This team needs an offensive sparkplug.

  68. Prucha has a great heart, and so does Callahan. Drury can show heart as well and Dawes does on occasion… but what else do these four players have in common? They’re smurfs!

    Keep two (Pru + Cally), dump the others… this team is too small.. unfortunately, it’s unrealistic to trade Drury’s contract because of 1.) NTC 2.) $7.05m/y.

  69. Redden's a Thief on

    kph – Agreed on that.

    captainAvery – Mike York is how you’re going to defend not moving prucha? Really?

    Mike York pumped my gas for me last weekend.

  70. Jason, A young kid maybe college age told us. The girl comes from his town and he knew people that were at the wedding. Thats why i would like Carp to see if there is any truth to this.

  71. Whats maloney and Phoenix going to give us sjostrom v2?

    I like Sjo but we have enough players like him here.
    They should only be entertaining teams who will take someone like redden gomez or drury for the cup run

  72. “Henrik Lundqvist is likely all that’s keeping the Rangers from competing with the lowly Islanders for the services of John Tavares.”

    from the SI article, and what I have been saying all year… We would have 5pts if it wasnt for him

  73. Last nights win was nothing more than a moral victory. With the remainning sched the slide will continue and we won’t make the playoffs. The worst part is we still have renney as coach and sather as gm. Now that’s two oximorons for ya renney coach sather gm.lmao

  74. No Country For Old Rangers on

    Agree with Capt.Avery completely. That was a horrible trade, york for poti. People we all know what the real problem here is. Glen Sather. We are doomed until he gets fired or dies. What a pompous egomaniac of a schmuck. Maybe he’ll get cancer from all the cigars.

  75. I Bleed Rangers Blue on

    Interesting how all the game reports (Newsday, AP, etc.) unequivocally point how Prucha was obviously slashed but the zebras missed it. It’s time for Renney to recognize that casting empty praise about Pru is just that. Coach needs to step up and admit that not only is the kid a fan favorite, but his actions on the ice energize the rest of the team. As for those who say he turns it on only when he feels he needs to (like when he’s fighting to stay on the roster), maybe one of the seasoned leaders on the team (Capt. Dru, Asst. Capt. Gomer, etc.) can tell him, “Great job, now do that every time you’re on the ice.”

  76. Doodie Machetto on

    Truth, here is the proof that this guy didn’t do any investigation in his reporting:

    “They’re also relatively useless when given the man-advantage and *just as poor while defending against one.* ”

    Yeah, 2nd in the league in PK, just as poor as 28th in PP.

    “Redden’s six-year, $31 million pact”

    Wrong contract amount.

    The roster is loaded with underacheivers, yes. But why those underachievers receive so much icetime while the rest of the team struggles to get minutes is Renney’s fault. Why Petr Prucha sits out of the lineup is Renney’s fault.

    This team could be doing better if Renney wasn’t the coach and guys like Redden rode the pine. End of story.

  77. About last nights game – zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Put me to sleep already … a bad goal given up by the Islander goaltender gives me no cause to celebrate …

    We will see what happens in Buffalo ….

  78. New Newman –

    I dont suggest that Carcillo is in anyway the answer to the Rangers problems, I think he is a cheaper solution to the grit problem, than Avery (who we will probably not get, and even if we do, will be subject to every phantom call a ref will be allowed to make). Sent Voros down, and replace with Carcillo. At least he can skate, and reach his check and not get the his a?? kicked everytime he fights.

  79. Redden’s a Thief- Seriously? Are you daft?

    York: LW, 5’11, 185. late draft pick of rangers 26-24-50 in his first season with nyr, 14-17-31 in his second season

    Prucha: LW, 6’0, 175, late draft pick of rangers, 30-17-47 in his first season with nyr, 22-18-40 in his second season

    No, i don’t see any similarities there except for nearly identical size, stats, and draft position. Oh and both were gritty undersized players with a lot of heart who made plays and got on the scoresheet.

    Of course this organization doesn’t like to develop young talent so we shipped off york and will probably do the same with prucha. Yes, york didn’t flourish later on in his career but to deny the similarities and potential is just plain ignorant. get some knowledge, know what the F you’re talking about and then mouth off.

  80. According to Doodie on

    Doodie – The only players not underacheiving are Betts, sjo, orr.

    But when those guys get ice time, there’s still critcism.

  81. Redden's A Thief on

    avery – right over your head.

    York is in the AHL now. At 29.

    Dumping prucha would be wise. Woulda been better last season when he had some value.

  82. onecupin67years on

    make another trade with pheonix and we’ll exchanges has been’s and what if’s . prucha for your ’02 3rd rounder

  83. Damn, yet MORE rumours of the Rangers trading for another D. Why do the Rangers even bother with having a farm system. Christ Almighty, you would think Sauer-Potter-Sanguinetti are still three years away from the NHL in their development process.

    Can we just recall one or two of them and get off the GD “Backman,” “Strudwick” “Reitz” acquisition mentality band wagon, Slats? PLEASE just call up one of our own D’s

    DO WE HAVE A FARM SYSTEM OR NOT? After the Kalinen, Redden off-season disaster how about promoting FROM WITHIN once in a blue moon, on the blueline.

    Why does Sather HATE young Ranger D’s so much? Kalinen and Redden are better than Sauer and Potter are right now, is that it? You are NUTS, Sather.

  84. I Bleed Rangers Blue on

    What’s up with these pics of Orr in a monkey suit? Maybe that’s why he cancelled his meet and greet at Dagoon’s place (see the Rangers forum on hfboards.com).

  85. Rmant
    February 19th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
    I can’t imagine how people believe the coach is at fault for the problems of this team.
    ………

    Rembrandt, they started the season 10-2-1. They scored then!!!
    Jagr couldn’t score in this system, remember that?!
    Furthermore, the PP has been terrible for years!

    I’m glad you joined us, where’s your buddy *Beer Me* these days?! hahaha.

  86. York’s in the AHL now. Great. What’s your point? Prucha will probably be his linemate next year. Yeah York sucks now, but who knows what would have happened if we kept him.

    My point is simple; he was a young player with promise and we sold him and now we’re about to do the same with Prucha. We did the same with Kovalev, Savard, the list goes on

  87. TurcotteLives,

    Yeah, I play in a mens league occasionally down here. I play at the Pond in Newark, DE for Hope Creek in the corporate C league. I usually play open hockey there Tuesdays and Thursdays too, and sometimes Saturday nights at UD’s ice arena.

  88. onecupin67years on

    They said York couldn’t handle a full NHL season and lost his game at the half way pt.,so they traded him.But he was exciting and fun to watch.

  89. Doodie Machetto on

    “Doodie – The only players not underacheiving are Betts, sjo, orr.

    But when those guys get ice time, there’s still critcism.”

    Staal isn’t underachieving. Neither is Prucha. Callahan works his ass off every single shift. Korpikoski has been getting better. Paul Mara has been great for us this year.

    Dubinsky’s numbers are down (Centering Zherdev and Voros is VERY different from Jagr and Straka) but he still has worked pretty hard this season.

    Yet Prucha has been a healthy scratch most of the season and no PP time, Staal has gotten minimal PP time (and this is a recent thing!), Korpikoski sat most of the third period in St. Louis when he was one of our best offensive players the entire game, and Mara for some reason has been used as a third pairing guy the entire season, despite being one of our best defensemen this year.

    Meanwhile guys like Drury, Redden, Naslund, and Gomez can sleep through the season and get all of the PP time and crunch time ice time. That’s why Renney is terrible.

  90. God
    I just read the two article attachments that Rick gave us (thanks Carp)have these guys just stsrted following the Rangers since the losing streak started or something?

    They make it sound like losing Jagr and Shanny and replacing them with bad contracts like Redden is the reason poor Tom Renney is saddled with a team that cant score…

    Were these guys not following the 2007-08 Rangers?? Without Redden and Naslund ?? and with Shanny and Straka and Jagr??? They couldn’t score either!!

    Quit making this sound like its a recent revelation and Sathers complete fault that the team cant score…this story is really two years old now…Same old garbage

  91. All this talk about how this team has no talent and that is what TOM REDDEN have to deal with. Fine, maybe it is so (which I personally don’t think so) let’s turn this question around and ask… DOES TOM RENNEY HAVE THE TALENT TO BE THE COACH? Carp?

  92. lately i’ve had a hard time accusing the kids on this team of playing like garbage. i mean, the guys who are supposed to be leading this team have been terrible. if they could carry their weight even remotely it would make things easier on the kids.

    wade redden is on pace for 3 goals this year. career worst in multiple categories.
    scott gomez is -11. minus player for only the second time in his career.
    chris drury is -11. he’s a career worst as well.
    rozsival -14 and only 6 dmen have a worse +/- than him in the entire nhl.

    gomez – 8 mill
    redden – 6.5 mill
    drury – 7 mill
    rozsival – 5 mill

    …and that’s our core? really? fantastic job slats!

    26.5 million tied up in completely terrible contracts. it’s going to be atleast 5 or 6 years before we rid ourselves of the salary cap hell that slats has put us in. those contracts are unmovable.

  93. Doodie Machetto on

    I just got tickets to Howell/Bathgate night for 33 bucks.

    400s, but still, that’s like 2 for 1.

  94. Doodie Machetto on

    Ha, I bet there is someone from the blog that will be looking for me on Sunday to punch me in the face.

    I’ll be the guy in the Rangers jersey.

  95. Doodie Machetto on

    If there’s no kissing, then I don’t want to.

    CCCP, 408 is the section I’ll be in, I was answerin onecup.

  96. Sorry I’m so cranky but that was a very unsatifying win last night; worst team in the league and they played just like it… and there we are again hanging on for dear life!!
    Would we have beaten any other NHL team last nighT? seriously?

    With this same crakiness I need to remind everyone that we crucified Malik and even rozival for three years despite a great and good +/- numbers….we kept coming up with reasons that the statistic is meaningless

    Now we have a team THAT HAS BEEN OUTSCORED ALL YEAR… and everyone is talking about +/- like it means something more…

    The team is being outscored…of coure everyone is negative…

  97. Doodie Machetto on

    I’m pretty young compared to that, but I’m going to have stop skating soon because of foot problems. Unfortunately, having to retire prematurely due to foot problems like Forsberg isn’t automatically accompanied with Peter Forsberg level talent.

  98. onecupin67years on

    You Wus, I broke my ankle had surgery still played, had toe surgery and rotator cuff surgery haven’t played ,will play by march

  99. onecupin67years on

    lets meet , look for a schmuck wearing a CCM #9 ranger jersey with a C white jersey,that’ll be me

  100. DomivBaumgartner on

    EVERYONE!!!! BEAT YOUR WIFE POTVIN, BEAT YOUR WIFE!! BEAT YOUR WIFE POTVIN, BEAT YOUR WIFE!!BEAT YOUR WIFE POTVIN, BEAT YOUR WIFE!!BEAT YOUR WIFE POTVIN, BEAT YOUR WIFE!!BEAT YOUR WIFE POTVIN, BEAT YOUR WIFE!!

  101. Doodie Machetto on

    onecup, I’ve had my share of injuries (separated shoulder, concussion), but this foot problem isn’t something that I can’t play through without major surgery that I can’t afford. It’s causing me to develop arthritis in my ankles and knees and giving me lower back pain. This is all in addition to how much it actually hurts to skate hard. I can still skate recreationally without too much pain, but when I really push off for sprinting, it’s blinding pain.

  102. DomivBaumgartner February 19th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    EVERYONE!!!! BEAT YOUR WIFE POTVIN, BEAT YOUR WIFE!! BEAT YOUR WIFE POTVIN, BEAT YOUR WIFE!!BEAT YOUR WIFE POTVIN, BEAT YOUR WIFE!!BEAT YOUR WIFE POTVIN, BEAT YOUR WIFE!!BEAT YOUR WIFE POTVIN, BEAT YOUR WIFE!!

    I preferred the older vision

    BUY A PORSCHE POTVIN BUY A PORSCHE!

    Thank you, and RIP Pelle Lindburgh.

  103. little green men on

    quote:
    “Newman – I’m about 90% sure Redden has a NMC.”
    Does that stand for neutered, mauled carcass or not much concern.

  104. onecupin67years, I’m 63 & still play ( not like I used to) & I need rotator cuff surgery also. How long before I can use my arm again.
    Being in my 60’s is the new 40 !

  105. Mike,

    I actually couldn’t disagree more. I thought that Sports Illustrated column was an overwhelmingly biased article written by a notorious Devil backer.

    Don’t you think it’s a bit extreme to call the Rangers a “joke” comparable to the Devils? I mean, for all their success they still haven’t figured out how to put asses in the seats. It’s a “joke” that you can hear Rangers chants louder than Devils chants at any Rock game and it’s just year 2 of a brand new facility.

    This is also the same Rangers team that’s gotten the better part of the Devils for the past 3 seasons.

    It’s not like we’re in last place with no one coming to the games.

    Forget everything — at the end of the day, we’re still in the middle of the pack, we still sell out the building every night and the super stars still want to play here… for better or for worse.

    SO, to call the franchise a “joke” and to say the Devils are our envy is laughable to me.

    I wouldn’t want to be a Devil fan for all the cups in the world. They’re an unloyal franchise from management to the fans.

    That might be a recipe for winning, but I wouldn’t want to play there and I’ll never root for them.

  106. Brandon, what are you KIDDING me?

    Winning is all that SHOULD matter. This franchise is pathetic, if not at times. 1 cup in 68 years?

    But hey, as long as the seats are filled we’re fine?

    I hate the Jim Dolan Mentality.

    Take a look at this teams history….. I as much as the next person like to have a filled arena….. But to say you would’nt take the Winning over that is a bit much.

    Also, the Rangers inability to draft good 1st round draft picks over the years is a joke. Especially Sather.

    Also the Rangers in their history have finished in 1st place only 4 or 6 times in their HISTORY. Thats ALSO a joke!!!

    Give me Stanley cups over mediocrity!!!

  107. Tony from AZ February 19th, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    1. 22figure8 February 19th, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    Doodie, right next to Homo Larry.

    Larry is a homo ??

    Nah, a drunk girl started dancing next to him, trying to steal his spot light and then he pushed her out of the way. Hence why’s he’s a HOMO because he’s attacking girls.

  108. while the si guy let renney off way too easy, he was right about the state of the two franchises. we have overpaid and mediocre veterans that are currently and will currently handicap this team for the next 5 years. We have one or two potentially good offensive players in our system and really only one gifted offensive player in the nhl who is both inconsistent and misused by the coach. The Rangers are a joke b/c of Sather and Renney. Players come here to make millions of dollars, be treated like royalty and oh yeah play mediocre hockey with no fear of reprisal

    until redden and others are waived or bought out and sather/renney are gone this team is in trouble. I don’t see how anyone could think any different and who cares if we sell out the building, that just reflects poorly on us the fans b/c we are willing to pay hundreds of dollars to dolan.

    i will never root for the devils or any other team, but doesnt mean i cant hate the way the team is built/coached/playing

  109. I wish someone in the organization had balls like brian burke:

    Toskala required an MRI on his ailing hip this week and the test required the use of a dye that would make playing uncomfortable. So, the Maple Leafs promoted Justin Pogge again, but didn’t exactly lay out a welcome mat.

    “He has not earned the right to be here,” Burke said on a radio broadcast. “We are force-feeding this kid into the NHL. We need some kind of push on our starting goaltending, some realistic alternative. Our coaches seem reluctant to go to Cujo (backup Curtis Joseph). I’m not throwing rocks at the coaches and certainly not at Cujo. But this has to push Vesa to show him there is an alternative.”

    Wow, one arrow, four dead.

    It gets better:

    “We have to see what we have with this young man. He has not dominated at the AHL level. He has not earned this,” Burke said. “He’s big, he’s athletic, he’s competitive. He’s got a chance to be a starter in this league. We’re going to have to force-feed him a little bit. I like this kid.”

    Imagine if he didn’t.

    “If were in solid contention for playoff spot, we wouldn’t be doing this,” Burke said. “We decided to give him a certain number of games, we’re going to plug him in, we’re going to tell him when he’s going back. We’re going to announce to the world he hasn’t earned it so there are no unrealistic expectations on him. We don’t want to ruin him by rushing him. This kid’s got a chance, and we want to find out what we have.”

    That’s fair. Too many young goalies have been ruined by being thrown to the wolves. It’s good Burke lowered expectations.

    Nik Antropov will be a free agent this summer. He’d like a new contract and to stay in Toronto.

    “From my take, at this point, I don’t see any reason to put a new contract offer on the table here,” Burke said on the radio last week. “I think that this might be time for a change of scenery for Nik Antropov. I don’t think Nik’s play has merited that discussion to this point.”

    Antropov has contributed 2 goals and 2 assists and is plus-1 in the four games since being criticized.

    “I think he has played well since I questioned his play,” said Burke. “That’s not why I did it. I just had enough with the way the team was playing.”

    Wilson was asked Feb. 12 if Jeremy Williams was about to be sent down to the AHL Toronto Marlies — he was — and replied, “I think in the next week or two you’ll probably see somebody get called up who has played well in the minors and you want to reward those guys. You don’t want people in your organization, especially on a team like us that’s not a very good team right now, you want to make sure that they feel they have a chance.”

    Burke was asked by USA Today’s Kevin Allen how long it would take for him to reshape the Toronto lineup to his liking.

    “I don’t put a time frame on it, but the answer is as soon as humanly possible,” Burke replied.

  110. I disagree about Nolan. A step too far. He’s the antithesis of Renney – you can screw up forever with Renney ( as long as you’re a vet) and not sit out, but Nolan it’s one screw up and you’re outta there. There’s got to be someone who ranks in between these two extremes.

  111. You know what’s sad? Redden is makes 8 million dollars this year. That’s 700,000 less than Crosby and only a 1 million less than Ovechkin. Furthmore, Gomez makes only a million less than Alex the Great this year. I’m not going by cap hit, but by the amount of money being paid this year. Sather, you are a complete and utter idiot. Even if Sather COULD argue that Gomez is a first line player and Redden is a top pairing dman, he sure as heck cant justify paying them at the same level as the creme of the crop of the NHL.

    As for Burke. The guy has a lot of venom for Antropov, the guy is on pace for 60 points. His cap hit is only 2 million. Perhaps that doesnt speak to how he’s played in other facets, but can you imagine what Burke would say about the play of Gomez, Drury, Redden or VOROS!

  112. Forcrissakes…answer the question!!
    Who do I root for tonight? ( besides Blue Jackets obviously)

  113. Brandon said:
    SO, to call the franchise a “joke” and to say the Devils are our envy is laughable to me.
    I wouldn’t want to be a Devil fan for all the cups in the world.
    ……………….

    Brandon, you’ve some some dumb stuff before but this *might* take the cake.

    Now I think I know why i disagree with you so much.

    If the Rangers were winning and I was the only one at the Garden to see it…
    1)Start the march to the cup
    2)I’m getting complimentary upgrades to the ice-level empty seats
    3)Its going to be pretty easy to figure out which fan is getting a puck at the end of the game
    4)WINNING IS EVERYTHING!

    Seriously, if you don’t follow the Rangers with the hopes of them WINNING, I know why we disagree so much. I could careless about the frills and fanfare! That’s probably the biggest downfall of this team because they haven’t been forced to change anything yeT!

    Ahh… some of you are so frustrating.

  114. Miked, I totally agree about Burke. The Rangers missed out big time letting him go to Toronto.

    Carolina scored more goals against the Isles in 1 period than 3 periods for us. I don’t count the BS empty-netter.

  115. jerkins perkins(mike in ia) on

    wow now pens fans know what its like when the refs screw ya. clearly they are on the habs side tonight, callin everything on the pens and a stick to head non call against the habs

  116. jerkins perkins(mike in ia) on

    damn it idk who to root for in the pens habs game. i kinda want the habs but then i know were closer to them in the standings so… as long as its a reg. win i hate these 3 pt. games. id rather keep the lower seed teams down though so im rootin for philly, chicago and habs. carolina is gonna destroy fishsticks so theres no point there.

  117. boxcareddiehospodar on

    I like how the story mentioned how well gomez//redden/drury played.
    stop the nonsense. They beat the islanders who are horrible.
    this team is awful. saying they played good is an a joke.

  118. The Flyers score on many short handed opportunities because they are manipulating a very basic trend in the nhl : powerplay players are taking it for granted that they are a man up! In turn, when the flyers get the puck they don’t dump and change like the Rangers do. They actually pressure and go the other way. Let’s be honest, in the dumb and chase & interference era, before a team sets up in the zone, it is very easy for a team to play one man down. Hey, the Rangers are good at it! It must be easy!

  119. was just checking out the league point leaders…first ranger that shows up on that list in Z… his #61 in the league with 44 points!! 61!! next after Z at #77 Gomez with 40 points!! sad…

    speaking of Antropov… ill have him any time of the day over drury… the kid doesnt even make 2mil and got more points in less games than captain tin man

    Antropov 57 18 24 42
    Drury 59 15 22 37
    Sigh…

  120. CCCP
    February 19th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
    “Dan Fritsche scored for the Wild tonight”

    we should get him back… he looked great in a suit :)
    ………..

    Don’t you dare give away Prucha’s job, CCCP!

  121. Guy Lafleur on the Canadiens (in some cities, they call it like it is and actually ask for people’s heads to roll):

    “Carbonneau is operating like he has four (equal) lines, they play 1-2-3-4 every night. You just can’t do it. Even if the fourth line was the best one that night – they have to play to give the others a chance to relax, but your best players, let them play 25, 28 minutes a game if they can,” Lafleur told the Gazette.

    “(Carbonneau) won’t change his style. He should have done that before Christmas, even from the beginning of the season,” he explained. “Give your best players the ice time they need to play well, to get their confidence back, to prove to the organization what they can do.”

    Lafleur went on to say he does not think the Canadiens will make the playoffs and said it would be “catastrophic” if they missed out in the team’s 100th anniversary.

    Mark Messier on the Rangers: “I had a few problems with Silkie, er, Tom as our coach, but now that he too will be joining me as a card-carrying member and unofficial spokesman of Cold-Eze, I have to say that i think firing him would be the ultimate mistake for our company – er, the Rangers. And besides, we’re naming Chris Drury as the Cold-EZE leadership award winner for December, mostly for not allowing a silly blown 4-goal lead to ruin his Christmas. The sign of a great leader is enjoying the holidays despite the fact that your team is too weak mentally to protect an enormous lead in front of one of the premier goalies in the league. Who cares if they don’t make the playoffs? We’re retiring Tikkanen’s number next year and this way Dru will have plenty of time to make sure he and his family have a great Easter.

  122. Apparently Richard Park broke some ribs last night, possibly when he crashed into Lundqvist. That’ll teach him, out 4 weeks.

  123. @kc
    Remember when Sather signed Bobby Holik for $9,500,000? I couldn’t find any pre-lockout Sather quotes…could you post some please?

    @Paul
    That’d be hilarious if it was true…can somebody find out?

  124. trade dawes and voros for carcillo
    claim avery

    naslund-gomez-prucha
    zherdev-drury-callahan
    carcillo-dubinsky-avery
    orr-betts-sjostrom
    extra: korpo

    d-
    staal, rosvizal
    girardi, redden ( ugh…..)
    reitz-kalinin/potter

  125. Mark (the orginal) on

    So some sort of major story is going to hit Montreal tomorrow:

    I’ve been bombarded with e-mails tonight from several of my readers who were watching the Canadiens-Penguins post-game show on RDS (the French version of TSN) and the analysts report a major “bombshell” is going to explode in the Montreal media on Friday involving the Canadiens.

    No word yet on what the story is but I’ve been hearing from some readers that a story will appear in La Presse (one of the major papers in Montreal) that could potentially involve allegations of criminal charges against several Canadiens players.

    http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/Spector

  126. deadline deals ( realistically):

    trade dawes for carcillo and a draft pic
    claim avery
    trade kalinin and valley for Legace
    trade naslund to detroit for brad stuart

    korpikski-gomez-prucha
    zherdev-drury-callahan
    carcillo-dubinsky-avery
    orr-betts-sjostrom
    extra: voros, someone from hartford

    d-
    staal, rosvizal
    girardi, redden ( ugh…..)
    stuart-reitz/potter

    g: lundquvist/legace

  127. miked, That’s not a good trade..I am all for ANY change, but is that line-up any better? … I have been a dawes supporter (and admit he has vastly under-acheived this yr enouigh for bencning and/or trade) but we can do better than that for him – carillo is an under-sized fighter, with limited scoring ability (rather keep dawes; Voros for carcillo, sure).. watching some PHX games this yr carc’s game is pretty blah despite the PIMs (and I love PIMs)…also, I actually think their best “chemistry” line (I that hate word) is Dawes-Drury-Prucha (btw, why werent they used on the PP? – I mean, if they looked good at even-strength? — ohh, nevermind)

    upgraded to an ESPN Rumor.. Devils looking at Pronger…

  128. ..looking at trade proposal #2.. I like the addition by subtraction concept.. but, same comment as above (on Dawes and line up improvement).

    I would love to get rid of Naslund (the under-rated Sather stupidity signing), but can we afford to give up that much “offense” – and I use the term loosely – I mean Naslund plays well every 9-10 games and dawes about the same…

    I dont know, if it os dawes to PHx is would want Keith Yandle or Derek Morris in return …somehow, I just feel JoVo coming here and he is done.. ONLY if Maloney takes the REDDEN contract does that work for me

  129. Jack –

    After trading for Lindros. “Sometimes you have to be a lion.”

    After trading Zidlicky and Kloucek to Nashville for Mike Dunham,”Well, nobody’s going to give you something for nothing. If you want something, you have to give up something.”
    (not quoted in the media, the Nashville GM at the time laughing and noting that he did just get something for nothing, and had to give up nothing to get something).

    If there is a bombshell in Montreal it will be some sort of huge trade or they’ll fire the coach.

  130. OK, my bad, I got the article translated and they weren’t doing those things but apparently hang out with and were taped conversing with a prominent organized crime/drug trafficking dude. Sort of like if a bunch of the Rangers liked hanging out with the Gottis. No big deal.

  131. I know this is gonna sound really crazy and I’m gonna get a lot of heat for this but would anyone here be willing to bring back Kovalev as a UFA to play with Gomez and help kind of mentor Zherdev/Anisimov/Grachev?

    Thoughts? I’m ready for the plethora of tomatoes coming my way.

    Rangers should trade Voros and if they’re not gonna play him Prucha to Pho for Carcillo and then claim Avery like above. There’s your instant grit.

  132. Eh, I thought that Sather quote would be more tactless…that wasn’t so bad. Kloucek went on to disappear in the south with zero goals and zero assists. Zidlicky has had a decent career…three 30+ point seasons….

  133. I liked Kloucek, he was gonna be something special; poor guy never recovered from hurting his knee, they should have never played him that game, they were out of contention and he wasn’t 100%.

    Zidlicky would’ve been the PP QB although he might be free soon. He’s really not doing too well in the Wild system. He wanted too much money and Sather told him no. Funny, as that was when they were throwing millions to all the big names but arrogant Sather couldn’t give a little extra to Zidlicky or pay a little extra to Umberger.

  134. Jack-yeah, that’s the idea! You get Kovalev (who still may own his house in Mamaroneck) to mentor the young Russians. If AA/Grachev make the team then two of the three young Russians (yes, Zherdev is from the Ukraine, no need to get PC on me LOL) play with Alex while the other plays with Gomez. It would totally improve the attack.

    I know Alex has frustrated everyone here three times over but this would be strictly for a mentoring gig and he wouldn’t be the main guy; all they’d be asking him to do is help the young Russians adjust to NYC and for him to help take some of the heat of Gomez and Naslund. Plus a lot of the fair weather fans would eat it up.

  135. RICK since most give report cards on players, how about one on all of the NYR management from the owner down, with grades and explanations? And what’s with the articles coming out to support Renney? This has been a group effort to create this from last year’s roster, including many players not pulling their weight. I’ll take the post lockout pre Olympic TEAM, over most NYR teams especially over this bunch of unaccountables. Guess what the common denominators are over the last 4 and more.

  136. Sorry, I usually don’t read this blog after I leave work; quite frankly, most of you aren’t entertaining enough to bring me back into the forum post-work hours and Carp doesn’t usually make his post til’ the morning.

    Anywho, my comments on the SI article weren’t taken out of context. Obviously, winning is everything.

    Despite some major management issues that trickle down from Jim Dolan, the Rangers are a class act organization. And, to litterally call them a “joke” in a reputable and longstanding publication like Sports Illustrated is crossing the line.

    The Chicago Cubs haven’t won a World Series in over 100 years but they are regarded as one of the primiere organizations in all of professional athletics.

    So, sure, I’d rather be teetering on the franchise moving and have no one in the building every night in exchange for a handful of more Cups. But, that’s not the case.

    The reality is, and you can say what you want, the Devils can win 10 Cups in the next 50 and none will ever be more significant than 1994. And they can win 10 cups in the next 10 years and they STILL won’t be the Rangers.

    So, in response to the SI article and nothing else, the Rangers are not a joke, nor do they envy the Devils.

    If anything, it’s the other way around… AND it always will be.

    Save the “winning is everything cliche’s”; that’s erroneous and irrelevant to the argument.

  137. One BIG difference here is that the Devils haven’t been holding on to the past as long as the Rangers have…they’re not playing and re-playing their Cup win from ’95 in “Devils Classics”…they’ve moved on and re-built every year and have been better than us…every year…with the one exception being the playoffs last year. We’re going on 15 years now since the Cup that will “Last a Lifetime”, let’s hope to the Hockey Gods that doesn’t turn out to be true…

  138. That has nothing to do with the Sports Illustrated article at all.

    That’s just a random point.

  139. Actually, it was a response to your comment about the Devils relevancy…whether or not the Devils are “teetering on moving and have no one in the building every night” does not excuse the Rangers from making (or give them a free pass to make) some terrible decisions over the past 15 years…

  140. I’m not disagreeing we’ve made some of the worst decisions in all of professional athletics. Like I said, it’s a trickle down effect from Dolan and his cronies. No coincidence the Knicks have been a mess too.

    If the Rangers had private ownership, a la a Mark Cuban, it’d be much different here.

    That being said, from a franchise perspective, they’re a first class organization, which is why the biggest stars want to play here (money or not) and not across the river.

    So, they’re not a “joke” and never will be.

  141. We’re on the same page here…Shanahan is a good example to your point…he basically “settled” for the Devils this year…but we’ve got to right this ship or more players may begin to “settle” for across the river.

  142. Cant really get a handle on this Montreol story; listened to bits and pieces of an interview with the guy from Lapresse ( which by the way is known to throw big bombshells around about russian players and then back off…they did it to Kovalev more than once)

  143. Kaspar

    That is QUITE a story indeed. Yeesh. If something like that is true with the brothers, I wonder if Kovalev is tangled up in it too?

  144. Much ado about nothing it seems; just the French press trying to smear and crucify two of their best young players…who ,by the way, just happen to not be French….

  145. I just translated the RDS story from French to english

    http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/269591.html

    Thanks MAKO

    The guy is a criminal, into everything, he know the brothers Kostistan it seems…set them up with Limos and girls..has had phone conversations with them..the guy was arrested but not the players….so?

    French press needs an A-rod of their own

  146. Can we say big weekend? Carp, do you have any powers to make sure no liquor stores sell any alcohol or anything other distracting items to NYR players and that all the players get to bed and take a 5-hour energy before both games this weekend? Thanks!

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