UPDATED: The day after a win

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First, this is what I hear: That despite the crisis nature of last night’s game … and the crisis isn’t over until the Rangers follow up their 5-4 shootout win over Washington with some sort of string of victories … I keep hearing that Glen Sather is not and was not close to making a coaching change. That is what I hear. I don’t know if that’s absolutely certain, because trying to talk to Sather is like trying to get a sitdown with the Wizard of Oz. But part of me believes he won’t panic and fire Renney unless it gets a lot worse.

Some thoughts on last night’s game, which was sure better to watch than the previous five, regardless of the outcome of the skills competition that decided it:

1) The Rangers attacked, they went to the net — Markus Naslund’s sliding goal a great example of what can happen when you do — got a couple of rebounds, countered effectively and aggressively. They got it started with back-to-back fisticuffs (we used to call that “synchronized fighting” in the pressbox) and banged all night, and it was like old-days hockey in a lot of regards.

2) That Alex Ovechkin is a monster. People compare him to a young Mark Messier, and he absolutely is all of that with more of a pure goal-scorer’s skills than Messier had. That combo of speed and strength and mean and skill is rare indeed.

3) That said, the Rangers did a pretty good job on him, and when the three stars were announced I thought Paul Mara should have been at the top of that list. He was in Ovechkin’s face all night long, and Ovechkin in his. The big guy didn’t score until the skills competition (he didn’t put on his hat and sunglasses for this one). Callahan defintely earned the star he got, but Mara should have gotten one. I don’t normally pay much attention to that post-game tradition because the selection process is pretty flawed, but this time I thought it was pretty clear who did the best job during the first 65 minutes.

4) Just wanted to let you guys know that the Renney Line Generator posted in the comments yesterday was a huge hit at the Garden last night, especially among the media. So simple, yet so hysterical.

5) Renney should pull five names out of a hat and make that his No. 1 power-play unit, because nothing else works. The silliest, most shocking moments came before and during a 5-on-3. The Rangers were on the power play when a delayed penalty against the Caps was signalled. They still threw the puck around, trying to make a play rather than just giving up the puck to get the two-man advantage. It must have been 12-15 seconds before Scott Gomez figured it out. You give up the puck in that situation to get a whistle and a longer 5-on-3. Then, with the two-man advantage, a Zherdev pass between the point men, Rozsival and Redden, went right between them and down the ice. THAT CANNOT HAPPEN!

6) Fans screaming “SHOOOT!” don’t help.

7) What ever happened to Sergei Fedorov?

8) I still hate the shootout.

Pretty busy the next couple of days, so I don’t know how often we’ll be posting. But we will have the usual running commentary for tomorrow night’s game in lovely middle-of-nowhere Sunrise, Fla., and of course an early (12:30) gamer for Rangers-Flyers from the Garden Sunday.

 

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AFTERNOON UPDATE:

Everyone skated at practice today, which means Kalinin is likely good to go. Whether Renney goes with that time-honored tradition of not changing a lineup after a needed victory remains to be seen. That can’t bode well for Prucha, obviously.

Sean Avery’s AHL debut is still tentatively scheduled for Saturday. Not official yet.

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  1. REPOST from previous thread

    “We’ve gotten to the point where we have to go, we can’t just stand around and hope for mistakes,” Markus Naslund said. “Obviously we have to have good support on the puck, but we have to read and react instantly and with passion.

    “If we’re going to lose, at least it will be by trying to make things happen instead of allowing teams to walk all over us. That has to end. Everyone here feels the exact same way.”

    Any Renney fans want to take issue with this? After all, this is the OPPOSITE of what your hero has imposed on these players since before Thanksgiving. Anybody?

  2. Like I was screaming at the television while Joe was speaking, the Rangers did try to give up the puck to get the 5 on 3! The Capitals stood around it for a couple of seconds until a Ranger (I think Zherdev) picked it up and tried to make a play as Lundqvist got to the bench. The Capitals didn’t even touch it when the whistle was blown, I don’t think.

  3. REPOST FROM LAST POST

    ” saw a FIRE SATHER sign way across the Garden. I was in 315, I saw it on the other side…I was so proud of whoever that was. Sec 222 or 333? around there?”
    Salty 2-12-09

    Hey Salty!!

    That was a FIRE EXIT sign….How many empties at that point? :)

  4. caps were smart during that delayed penalty.. wouldn’s go near the puck when it was in the corners.

  5. Carp

    Is it completely lost on the media that the players have essentially staged a coup against Renney’s terror-based system? How can this not be the story above all others coming out of last night’s game???

  6. That was a FIRE EXIT sign….How many empties at that point?

    Hey now…

    I forgot about the delayed call that went far too long. Also forgot about the pass through the guys, although it looked like neither actually attempted to catch it either.

    What happened to Fedorov? Do you mean that in a good way or bad way? I thought he looked pretty spritely for a 39 year old role player.

    Carp… what your take… Reitz vs Kalinen (and how will Renney justify putting Kalinen back in…?)

  7. Great Post Carp!!!!

    Glad to see you appreciate Ovechkin too. I posed a question last night. If you had to build your team around a player who would you pick? Gretzky in his prime or Ovechkin. I’d pick AO – every day of the week and 10 times of Sunday. The kid is a monster – I mean probably the best player I have ever seen play, he really does have every quality you want in a player.

    The PP is just horrible.

  8. Yeah that delayed penalty was a joke. I mean just throw a soft floater to the net. Again I think this prooves the braindead-ness of the people playing the PP and the coach behind it.

    Riguere: I read your post and translate it as, “The players said F it, revolted, and played their own spirited game that bucked the system. Therefore they were making a huge statement against Renney and his system.” Is that right? If so, I wholly agree.

  9. ford
    February 12th, 2009 at 11:03 am
    “Carp

    Is it completely lost on the media that the players have essentially staged a coup against Renney’s terror-based system? How can this not be the story above all others coming out of last night’s game???”

    I SECOND THIS EMOTION BIGTIME.

  10. The Rangers did make a mistake during that delayed call– they didn’t drive to the net! if you’ve got some cutesy puck avoidance going on by an opposing penalty kill, you explode toward the net, that forces them to play the puck or give up a high quality chance. Instead the rangers tried passing it to the caps….

  11. Thought I heard them quoting Renney during the game, something along the lines of not worrying so much and attack. If so this would agree with Naslunds comments. Not sticking up for Renney before you all start jumping down my throat, just sayin’

  12. Honestly, If it WAS Renney who told them to “not worry so much and attack”, then I’m very glad to hear that. If it’s true that Sather’s not even close to making a move on Renney, then the next best thing we can hope for is a more aggressive game plan

  13. So Naslund spoke out AGAIN! Rangers fans are not stupid… they get it…WE GET IT! I respect him a lot just for speaking out his mind and letting EVERYONE know AGAIN that there is an imposter in the room –>> TOM RENNEY

  14. Hockeymanrangers on

    Yea the 5 on 3 in last nights game was pitifull. All 5 players just stood still, like their opponents would move out of their way if they got the puck. It’s called skate around boys find the holes. My wife screamed at me b/c I was screaming at the TV so loud telling the players to move don’t just stand there. Bless my wife for putting up with a Rangers fan.

  15. I would like to have seen more talk about Federov and solo camera shots of him….you know, for the people who are passionate about hockey, not just the NYR.

    I loved him growing up as a kid…what an exciting player he was…and at 39 he still is…imagine having Federov on your third/fourth line? Wow, he can still skate.

  16. Doodie Machetto on

    repost (and I’m glad you pointed out the 5 on 3 also Carp)

    They managed to get a win and score a few goals, but the win came in the shootout, after having almost half a period’s worth of PP time, about 40 seconds of which was 5 on 3. In other words, it shouldn’t have taken the shootout. That PP is dreadful.

    And speaking of the 5 on 3, how long did it take them to turn the puck over? Everyone get out of the way and just throw it at the goalie. Or even if you can’t do that, since it’s automatically a faceoff in the offensive zone when there is a penalty call, just get it to the point and stickhandle out and into the zone. The offside stops the play, and even though it was deliberate, you get the offensive zone faceoff. Instead they wasted 20 seconds trying to get the puck to a Caps defender.

  17. Carp,

    In all seriousness… what can be done about Redden, besides “hopeing” he plays better?

    Can they buy him out in the offseason? Can he be waived? To me his contract is the only thing from keeping us from righting this ship… even if it doesn’t happen this season.

  18. Rick,

    I tend to agree. I had Gretzky posters all over my wall when I was a teen. But AO has better defensive awareness than Gretz, oh and he his like a Mac truck ;)

    Have you ever met or interviewed Gretzky?

  19. Signing Avery would be fine with me if I knew we would unload Dredden’s contract now or in the summer.

  20. Salty
    February 12th, 2009 at 11:03 am
    “Carp… what your take… Reitz vs Kalinen (and how will Renney justify putting Kalinen back in…?)”

    —–

    Kalinin and Reitz will have to play paper, rock, and scissors! And then, when Reitz wins Renney will say “Well Erik, Dmitri was here first, so too bad for you”

  21. Jack

    I thought Federov looked great. He’s still such an incredible skater @ 39! Funny though… if we had him we’d probably try to build a team around him rather then letting him settle into a background role.

  22. Stop hating on the shootout! It’s better than a game ending in a tie. The only flaw with it is that it makes some games worth more than others.

    If the NHL was serious about it, it would adopt a 3-2-1-1 system, where a regulation win is 3 points, an OT/SO win is 2, and a OT/SO loss is 1 point, and nothing obviously for a regulation loss. This way, 3 points are alloted in all games and there is more of an incentive to get it done in 60 minutes.

    But ties – and the two-line pass rule – were the worst thing about hockey, in my opinion.

  23. Carp, awesome photoshop picture

    I don’t understand how a team works harder 4 on 5 or 5 on 5 then they do on a Powerplay L@L

  24. Personally, a continuous overtime with 3 on 3 action would be awesome in my opinion..as much as I hate basketball, the idea of a game not ending in a tie (or skills competition as most of you like to refer the shootout to) is cool. 2 points for a win, no points for a loss – itll provide more incentive..clean and simple.

  25. Take Redden off the Power Play and PUT STAAL ON THE FREAKING POWER PLAY!! HE PLAYED THE POWER PLAY ALL THE TIME IN JUNIORS!!!

    I don’t doubt that he would keep things simple and provide a steady hand on the power play…anything is better than Redden back there.

    I wish Renney would sit Redden when Kalinin comes back…never thought I would say that aloud.

  26. Jack, I just meant that Fedorov (everybody mis-spells it) was once an MVP/Selke candidate every year, who once scored 56 goals, and who had 10 seasons of 30 or more (plus 20 in 42 games in the lockout year), and while he can still skate better than most NHL players, he doesn’t score any more. I know he’s older now, but he hadn’t scored in years.

    And it’s not a knock on him, I just wish we could have had more of the old Fedorov, who was on his way to being an all-timer. He still goes to the Hall of Fame, no doubt.

    Salty, I think CCCP answered your question. I have no idea.

    MAKO, I know Gretzky quite well from the three years he spent here. He truly is The Great One. Hate to drop names, but I’m proud to know him.

  27. Carp, thank you for pointing out the absurd fans who scream “Shoot!” everytime someone comes near the puck on a power play. It’s so annoying. Part of the man advantage is to find someone open in an area where they have a good scoring chance, not JUST shooting from everywhere on the ice with a body right in front of you. Sure, the Rangers power play still blows, but I cannot stand the fans who seem want 15 angle shots in a 2 minute power play.

  28. The lack of this coaching staff to do ANYTHING about the powerless play all season is the biggest indictment of them.

  29. srangers….Take a day off from the blog please. This is your penalty for quoting that assclown Eklund on this blog. That guy is the biggest loser in the hockey blog world. Talks smack all day. None of it ever amounts to anything.

    You might as well start posting your own trades that you want to see right here and then try to get people to think it is possible. Oh wait, never mind, people already do that here.

  30. St. Bernards School Dad on

    Carp, I know Wayne too. His oldest boy was in the same class as mine when he was playing for the Rangers. He is a complicated guy; a lot darker and more bitter when the cameras are off than you would ever imagine.

    Ask Luc Robitaille what kind of a guy Gretzky is. The guy’s back is littered with scars from the Great One’s knife. The guy’s hate for Luc was completely irrational, and btw he didn’t exactly stand up in the media for Messier vs. MSG in ’97. To be as great as he was, you have to be all about Number One, and Gretzky is more about Number One than anyone I have ever met.

  31. Doodie Machetto on

    “That is AWESOME!!!! I never EVER heard a bad word about him. Thanks for sharing that :)”

    Well, now you have.

  32. I loved 99 on the ice. But you really think for a minute that he knew nothing about his wife and Rick Tocchet (his ass’t coach) and their gambling ring?

    I mean I was born at night but it wasn’t last night.

    Sorry to talk baseball, but just like anyone out there who thinks Andy Pettitte only did ‘roids 2x. Sure Andy. Keep thumping your Bible…we believe you.

  33. If anyone still doubts that our coach has “fear” issues… watch him look away during the shootout.

    This guys is afraid and coaches that way.

  34. Forcrissakes,playPrucha! on

    Why does Redden get PP time every time! Why won’t he put Staal out there on the PP and forgive me for being redundant here but Petr Prucha…HELLO!!!!

    Anyone who blames Pearn for the failure on the PP, please realize that Renney is HEAD coach. Pearn and Pelino are assistants. Anything they are teaching comes from Renney.

  35. Forcrissakes,playPrucha! on

    “We’ve gotten to the point where we have to go, we can’t just stand around and hope for mistakes,” Markus Naslund said. “Obviously we have to have good support on the puck, but we have to read and react instantly and with passion.

    “If we’re going to lose, at least it will be by trying to make things happen instead of allowing teams to walk all over us. That has to end. Everyone here feels the exact same way.”

    WOOHOOOO!! Naslund is quickly becoming one of my all-time Ranger favorites!! GO NAZZY!!!

  36. Carp, glad to hear you hate the shootout. No other sport has a skill competition to determine a winner in OT. At least none that I know of. I know fans stand & cheer during a shootout but they stand & cheer for every goal scored. I’d rather see a 10 minute OT – 5 on 5 !

  37. DomivBaumgartner on

    The most important W last night was not for the Rangers but for a Ranger. That’s right, Colton Orr won his first fight against Brashear in 6 tries. I love when the heavyweights go at it.

    Hey Media, Enough with all the political jargon about fighting, it’s been part of hockey since the leagues inception. I think they shoudl get rid of the instigator rule and let the players police. Its sad to see a great hit and some role player stick up for his teammate on what many would consider a “clean hit”.

    If you let the players police, the superstars will have more room and scoring will come back to where it was in the 80’s. Gretzky was successful because of people like Somenko and McSorely.

  38. No one should fool themselves into believing that help is coming from Hartford. It’s obvious that some of the talent down there can become legit NHLers but none of them will make a sudden impact worth putting them in the line up now (see: Dawes, Korpi, Potter, Anisomov, and every other Wolf Pack member who has been up)and giving up on a possble run in the playoffs this year. Only a rare gem comes straight up and makes a large impact and none from Hartford are that good. The rest will slowly assimilate and find their strengths over time. So no more living in Disney World for you proponents of call ups.

  39. “That Alex Ovechkin is a monster. People compare him to a young Mark Messier, and he absolutely is all of that with more of a pure goal-scorer’s skills than Messier had.

    Carp, I love watching Ovechkin, and he is a monster, and he has a great touch, but please don’t compare him to the one of the most prolific scorers the sport has ever known. If Ovechkin has the longevity to amass 694 goals, we can start comparing apples to apples.

  40. As far as the current team goes I believe, though they really aren’t strong enough to win as is, they do have the make up to make a decent playoff run and make some noise. I believe if they get Avery that will add some much needed sandpaper to a week “gentlemanly” line up. Plus, he can put the puck in the net which is a dire necessity as we all know.

    But 2 other problems can be fixed with the current line up and will immediately improve their chances of winning:
    Rosival must simply shoot!!! shoot!!! shoot!!! And so shoudl the entire team. but he absolutely MUST get rid of his shooting phobia and start letting it rip. Next, is movement. With the exception of last night the team simply doesn’t move. Not only do all 5 of them stand perfectly still on the power play creating no passing/shooting lanes but the move slowly on breakouts through the neautral zone. They mus concentrate on constantly moving and skating hard EVERYWHERE….

  41. Greg, Alex Ovechkin is a great hockey player, the complete package. Not like today’s prima donnas (Cindy Crysbaby)If he were a Ranger we’d compare him to Jesus Christ.

  42. I don’t think the answers are by any means in Hartford… But we continue to bring in players like Fritsche, Voros, Isbister, Krog… As opposed to giving our guys a chance. It’s a bloody shame that we’re playing this guy Reitz instead of one of own boys.
    Worst job in the world = trying crack the Rangers line up from Hartford… NYR goes out of its fckn way to avoid playing their prospects.

  43. Tony,

    soccer ends in penalty shots… I was pissed they finished a World Cup match that way…

    It was a while ago but I think it was scoreless so they had penalty shots to determine the winner…

  44. Greg-

    He is not comparing career stats between Messier and Oveckin, but the characteristics between the two, which are readily comparable. In fact, though Messier is clearly one of the best goal scorers of all time, Ovenchkin has already demonstrated physical capabilities that Messier simply never had. It’s a very fair comparison in my view.

  45. 700 goals / 50 goals per season = 14 seasons. AO is most certainly on track to contend with Messier’s numbers. It is apples to apples (at least in terms of scoring).

  46. Where is the Renney Amen Chorus today, to tell us what our own eyes didn’t see last night? The “system” was abandoned, the team attacked, drove the net, played hard instread of fearing their shadows! Of course they were still brutal in their own and on the PP. But at least they COMPETED!

    Where is my team??? So I sing:

    “Now! Lobster, now! Timbo, now! JJP, and jason,
    “On! Gargoyle, on! Beer Me, on! Staal Wart and Brandon;
    “To the top of the Kool-Aid stand! to the top of the wall!
    “Now dash away! dash away! dash away all!”

  47. Salty-

    You make a good point but I think Reitz (who has played well) brings to the line up something that none of the Hartford players can or will (at least not yet). And that is size and toughness and meanness. That play doesn’t just come up because there is a natural insecurity when you are brought up from the minors. You are still finding your place and feel comfortable, whereas a more veteran player just comes in and gets mean, and man do the rangers need meanness….

  48. “Rick Carpiniello February 12th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
    srangers, consider the source. of course they’d love to unload that salary … but who is going to take it, and for what?”

    —–

    Rick, do you really think the Rangers want to unload Rozsival? I’m not saying he’s untouchable but his play his been steadying of late and good D-men don’t grow on trees.

    I’ve also pointed out on here before that the two highest paid D-men across all 30 teams make an average of $4.7mn, so I don’t think he’s grossly overpaid albeit he might be the only large contract that can be moved.

    The Rangers got lucky that Staal has progressed so quickly but its tough to imagine they will be so lucky with both Sanguinetti and Del Zotto. Don’t you think the defense and transition game gets worse if Rozsival gets traded?

  49. Great one Santa, I think last nights mutiny was better than the one against Capt Quieg on the Bounty. Hey can ya see Nazy with his hands around Renneys neck kicking his azz into a lifeboat LOL

  50. Santa, in fairness to Staal wart, he joined the Forces of Light a few days so he shouldn’t be on your list.

  51. I happen to really like Reitz and would think he’d be a big part of our playoff run, assuming we get in and assuming protein breathed Renney keeps him in the lineup over Kalinen. It still bothers me that when one of our guys goes down long term we’re so quick to ignore the “prospects” and seek “veterans”… Its not like that in other organizations.

    That’s fear.

  52. on that 5 on 3, they did try to get rid of the puck, albeit after a few ticks of the clock, but the cap player smartly didn’t play it, so they went into PP mode with hank pulled and then finally got the whistle. on Z’s pass that you say went right up the middle between the point men, it was deflected as far as i could tell. i hate defending anything about this PP, but…

  53. greg, Messier ammassed great numbers by being a great player for many years. No doubt. But he was never a pure goal scorer like this guy (or Mario, or Jagr, or Bossy). He had 50 once and that was in the big-scoring era, on the greatest offensive team ever assembled. I’m not detracting from Messier at all. He said it himself, that he never considered himself a goal scorer. Ovechkin certainly is, and he will get 50 a bunch of times, in the “dead-puck” era. That doesn’t mean I’m putting him anywhere near Messier on the all-time greatest players list.

    JJP, you’re right. Good D-men don’t grow on trees. But bad contracts apparently do on the MSG tree. If he were half his price, they’d never try to unload him. But their cap is so bad they almost have to try.

  54. Get rid of the SO turn OT into 4v4 for 5 or 10 minutes then 3v3 for 5 or 10 minutes

    Followed by 2v2, 1v1, and goalie on goalie

  55. I love that Line Generator link, never gets old lol

    That Sather comment is very sad to hear, I can’t believe Renney isn’t on Sather’s radar. It’s absurd with the way he is running this team.

  56. Doodie Machetto on

    “on that 5 on 3, they did try to get rid of the puck, albeit after a few ticks of the clock, but the cap player smartly didn’t play it, so they went into PP mode with hank pulled and then finally got the whistle. on Z’s pass that you say went right up the middle between the point men, it was deflected as far as i could tell. i hate defending anything about this PP, but…”

    That’s BS. You throw it at the goaltender, not a defender. It forces them to play the puck. And the Rangers sat around watching the Caps defender not touch it. Not to mention they could have just taken the puck out of the zone and brought it back in offsides. The faceoff would automatically be in the offensive zone because of the penalty.

    It was just more poor play by our PP.

  57. They can’t do 3 on 3 in OT because of penalties. 4 on 4 is the limit, then when there’s a penalty it’s 4 on 3. And I believe, unless this has changed, if there are two penalties on the same team, that becomes 5 on 3, not 4 on 2.

  58. Doodie Machetto on

    “They can’t do 3 on 3 in OT because of penalties. 4 on 4 is the limit, then when there’s a penalty it’s 4 on 3. And I believe, unless this has changed, if there are two penalties on the same team, that becomes 5 on 3, not 4 on 2.”

    You’re right about the 2 man advantage in OT. But that just begs the quesiton about why you can’t just have 4-3 be the single man advantage in OT if the sides started 3-3. Instead of subtracting, you add.

  59. greg
    February 12th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
    “That Alex Ovechkin is a monster. People compare him to a young Mark Messier, and he absolutely is all of that with more of a pure goal-scorer’s skills than Messier had.

    Carp, I love watching Ovechkin, and he is a monster, and he has a great touch, but please don’t compare him to the one of the most prolific scorers the sport has ever known. If Ovechkin has the longevity to amass 694 goals, we can start comparing apples to apples.

    *****************************************

    Greg

    LOL he’s almost half way there LOL Not bad for 3 1/2 years in the league :)

  60. Salty….”Reitz a big part of the playoff run…”

    That might be the most optimistic post I ever heard from Salty….

  61. Rick, picture of Sather from yesterday’s blog, and picture above of the wizard of Oz, meet photoshop. Anyone wanna give that a try? Would love to see it.

  62. Very original Santa. But I never advocated any system, just said I don’t think Renney is that bad a coach or this team’s biggest problem.

  63. …Have the rule changed. Make a 3 on 3 over time and then penalties will add players to the other team.

  64. I say play at least a 10 min 4 on 4 OT and eliminate the rule that says if you pull your goalie in OT and get scored on then you lose the point you would have gotten for the regulation tie.

  65. Hockeyman Rangers on

    I thought they should not give either team a point until after the first overtime is over. And then if it’s still I tie give them each a point. Not crazy about the shoot out but these guys play enough games as it is you can’t let them play into the night forever.

  66. I think they’re going to make the playoffs, as much I’d like them just spiral out of control and see Renney lose his job. God damn would I love to see Renney fired in such a cruel way… He thinks he’s so clever with his “cerebral approach to the game”…. Such a hack.

    Anyway back to Reitz, if we make playoffs and have any intention of not getting swept, you have to have Reitz in the lineup. The guy hits HARD and very clean. Hollweg hit hard but I feel like it was rare that he’d land a hit “flush” with another player…seemed like he was always a step behind them and they’d squirt out avoiding most of the contact (until he’d get em from behind). Reitz seems to be good at catching guys in bad positions and making them pay for it with a good clean hit. The bomb he layed on Brashear last night was a thing of beauty, I wish I could have seen it from the other side of the ice.

  67. When was the last time any of you seen a soccer match? They only go to penalty kicks during championship games final rounds where one team must advance. But before they even get to the penalty kicks teams play two 15 minute overtimes to try to determine a winner. There was a “golden goal” rule where if the team scores in the OT the match is over. Now that rule doesn’t exist anymore and teams must play out entire 30 minutes of extra time even if there was a go ahead goal during that time, and if the score is still tied only then the outcome is decided by penalty kicks. After having two 45 minutes of regulation time, I hope you don’t expect those players to keep running nonstop for 45 minutes each time till someone scores a goal. And to say that one doesn’t like soccer because of the penalty kicks is like saying “oh, I don’t like to eat because later I got to poop it out anyway, so what’s the point?” …im just saying

  68. I’m going to defend fans who yell “Shoot!” during the powerplay.

    I think fans understand that it is not a good strategy to just shoot the puck everytime you touch it; working to create high-quality shots is better. But, it is an even worse strategy to NOT SHOOT THE PUCK AT ALL. If the PP actually created a high-quality shot once in a while, I think fans would be much more patient while the team is trying to create. But, since that doesn’t happen, I think fans are completely justified in their impatience. Shooting often, and hoping for a screen, goalie incompetence, or just a plain-ol good bounce, is far better than dancing around with the puck near the blue-line for two minutes. So, without regret, I yell, “Shoot!”

  69. Per Anrew Gross: Naslund playing the point during 5 on 3 practice today.

    Renney trying something different on the PP?

    Alert the media.

  70. For the folks who keep wanting them to SHOOT…..

    It’s pretty tough to get off a good shot on goal from your own end of the ice without icing the puck, which is where they play 75% of their game time.

  71. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! on

    Yeah (Mako) thats right , Ovechkin may be climbing the all time list pritty fast ….but hes playing in a childs playground…no touching , no holding , no putting your stick on somebody , 2 fricken referees so there are more penalties and more PPs.

    greg is right about this , yes Rick and Rmant and Tony , OV is kinda comparable and we know he is a pure goal scorer but Messier never played in this so-called “pussy” league and if he didnt have joel Otto draped all over him and practally wearing Otto like a shirt most night ..MARK MESSIER would have so many more goals and Gretskzy too. They only started adding the 3rd assist to the stats the last decade..how many more points and assists would Mark have…..too many!! So I rest my case greg is right and apples will never be apples!!!

    ( can’t believe im defending our Messiah ) OV and all his russian talent will get his BLOCK knocked off ! One of theses days when he runs at the wrong person . Don’t get me wrong I like him , but not when people start comparing him to my Rangers.

  72. Cindy Crawford on

    Carp I have a question for you…

    WHY IS STAAL NEVER ON THE PP.. AND EVEN MORE FRUSTRATING… HOW DID HE NOT SEE THE ICE ONCE ON A 4 MIN PP LAST NIGHT?!?!

    – This kills me.

  73. I was going to post after reading Naslund’s comments, but Ford’s post says it all, and is worth repeating because it sums up the feelings of those of us who hate Renney’s system, and this shows they can do ok if they ignore him, and his stifling, handcuffing, hangback system.

    however, one other thing needs to be pointed out. the Caps are not a tight checking team. they play wide open, and are susceptible to giving up good scoring chances.

    also, I would much rather see Paul Mara on the PP than Redden, who is useless. at least Mara has a shot, and desire

    ———————————————–

    ford February 12th, 2009 at 10:34 am

    Pretty simple. When the terrified anal-retentive coach is tuned out and the players play to win by attacking instead of “waiting for mistakes” as Naslund said, it is possible for good things to happen.

    Renney the Frightened will reappear any moment now, and undoubtedly you will see the play-to-lose trap in Florida on Friday. But in the meantime, all you people who have told us “Renney has actually overachieved with this bunch” look at the tape from last night and learn the lesson it tells so plainly: When freed to play hockey instinctually, the Rangers’ level of play rises dramatically.

  74. Speaking of OV. He started some sh$t last night – hitting everybody etc not even playing the puck. I loved the way NYR responded. They hit him back. Paul Mara was an animal and should be praised for his continued effort.

    Great Job Rick!!

  75. Cindy Crawford,

    I’m guessing Sather and Renney know if Staal is put on the PP he’ll show flashes of offensive brilliance and score a lot of points on the PP which we wouldn’t want… We like to win games by 1 remember?

  76. alex b (the poster formely known as czechthemout!!!!) on

    Great comments by Naslund.They clearly have had enough of Renney’s “system” crap of five in the play/picture.I hope they continue being aggressive and drive to the net.The game last night was the most entertaining game I’ve seen in two and a half months.Redden was once again just brutal and needs to be sent to Hartford.Any dman,I repeat any dman from Hartford can play to at least his level at a fraction of the price.I would also bring up Sags and let him play the point on the powerplay to see what he can bring.I would go with seven dmen and 11 forwrds.Double shift Cally or Z with the fourth line on an alternating basis instead of having Voros in the lineup. Can’t hurt.It is embarrasing when you are on the power play for almost an entire period and still can’t score.Enough!!!!!

  77. Cindy Crawford on

    Evitagen.. wow i am so stupid, i cant believe i couldnt figure that out on my own.. thanks for clearing it up!

  78. unless I’m mistaken, Mara did not play in Dallas because of illness. and boy, does it show that he is the glue on the Rangers team.

    we saw that feature on him when he was miked up, and he clearly is the personality of the team.

    if anyone deserves a letter on his jersey, it is Mara, who is more captain material than Drury ever could be.

  79. cindy and evitagen…i like the discussion. here’s a serious thought though: hands down staal is our best even strength d-man. i am guessing that in their infinite wisdom (note: slight sarcasm) the staff wants staal’s energy focused on 5 on 5 or PK. i am also guessing that by next year, his TOI increases and you will see him more on the PP then.

    you know these coaches…they like to play these vets and really get their money worth by keeping them on the ice regardless of whether it’s the best team they have.

  80. Matt Yes – I saw that too.
    I cannot stand when guys just run around hitting and no one retaliates.

    Mara could easily be an “A”. Redden is such a huge dissapointment – shame.

    Too bad Prucha wasn’t part of the attack last night. Voros was good but I still prefer Prucha effort over Voros effort.

  81. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

    Yep, you’re right. I’ve seen the games when they replayed the 94 series and wow the refs really did let them play.

    Today’s game is sh*t – effin’ stick level to the ice – penalty. BS!!!

  82. Cindy Crawford on

    newman – Some good points but if that is their way of thinking I disagree..

    Like you say.. Staal IS our best and most consistent DMan. That being said, he should be on the PP. I think they should be more concerned with other guys (i.e.Redden) as far as getting them focused on 5 on 5 and stuff.

  83. billy

    he has to clear reentry waivers first kind of like the way the Isles signed Dubielewicz and then lost him….

    CCCP

    no offense meant… I was just annoyed becuase I was a kid and the team I was rooting for lost the championship on penalty kicks… no I don’t expect them to play the whole night long… but it burns… how would you like the Rangers to lose the Stanley Cup on a shootout…

  84. If we had to pay someone 6.5 a year i’d rather it be Staal… And this way if we had no Redden we could lock up Mara for another year… AT least Kalinin’s gone at the end of this year =\ If we put Redden in the AHL maybe he’ll jump ship to Europe and we won’t be responsible for his contract like Vrbata did? That’d be wonderful!

  85. I am reading on the other sites of all the love for Mara after a pretty good effort.

    Relax.. He is a nice 5th or 6th d man. People are talking about giving a 29 yr old career underachiever 5 yr. deal, nothing like ashrewd ranger fan to throw around to many years and to many dollars as usual..The guy was a 1st round pick and has had a decent career but give me a break, is he better then Redden? Absolutely then again so are all the other d men except maybe kalinan and reitz.

    Yeah Prucha can’t get in vs florida you do not want to disrupt the MOJO from the big win, then what was the excuse the previous 10 games????

    Prucha deserves better and he is better then guys in the lineup…

    hopefully the morons will play with a similar forecheck and go to the net friday like they did last night..

  86. oh i think that wihtout a doubt 90% of the people here disagree with the coaching philosophy and use of players. but sadly our vote counts for shite….

    and i do think staal is an all-star in the next 2 years but not quite worth 6.5mm a year…not quite at all. very few people are worth that much….and we have 3 of them on our roster. yikes.

  87. Adding a player instead of subtracting a player for an OT PP would never work. Once it’s over, there would still be 4 players on the ice for one team. If they did it that way, they’d have to let it go to 4v4 after the penalty was over to give even strength.

  88. Newman, great point these people on all teams make too much money… Of course NY has to give out the money to players since they have it… But I wish all contracts were incentive based, then you wouldn’t have Weeny’s like Redden

  89. right now the Habs are reeling even worse than the Rangers. they’ve lost 9 of 11, and are getting blown out regularly.

    look for Mtl to be VERY active in the trade market real soon.

  90. Doodie Machetto on

    Salty, I beg to differ with you. Reitz is nothing special. He’s a young Strudwick, except he’s a little faster and a worse fighter.

  91. I’m not suggesting giving anyone a 5 year contract. don’t put words in my post. I simply praised Mara for his hard work, hustle, desire, and team attitude.

    I never said a word about a contract.

  92. Doodie Machetto on

    nakedjoe: yeah? so? That looks fine to me. It goes to 4 v 4 until the next stoppage.

    Hypothetically you could have 5 v 5 in OT right now. If there is a 2 man advantage it’s 5 on 3. They kill off both penalties before a stoppage and you have 5 v 5.

    So how is it that 3 v 3 wouldn’t work?

  93. Someone explain to me how Perry Pearn, the architect of that dreadful power play, still has a job?

  94. CCCP,

    Good point about how shoot-outs are used in soccer, only in single elimination tournaments or where there’s a necessary tie break in a home and home situation (Champions League). Still, the world’s most popular team sport has decided some of its the biggest tournaments in a shoot-out (last year’s Champions League final, the 1994 and 2006 World Cup and many others) so hockey isn’t quite unique to this problem.

    At least in hockey the goalie gets a fair chance at stopping the shot. That and a hockey goalie takes up way more the net than a soccer goalie takes up.

    Going back to Fedorov, absolutely loved him growing up. First personalized jersey I ever got was a white Red Wings jersey in 1994 with his name. I was at the game last night and you could tell he’s still a smooth skater, but has certainly lost a step since his prime. Tough to say where his offense went, but I’m sure his worth to team is also keeping Ovechkin and Semin happy that they’re playing with a fellow countryman that’s a living legend. Remember, the Wings did for that for Fedorov with Larionov and Fetisov with the Russian 5 unit.

    Two goals last night came from driving to the net (Callahan and Naslund) and the other two came from parking bodies in front. It doesn’t always pay off, but when they consistently apply pressure or at least focus the team on attacking it should yield better results than trying to unnecessarily cycle the puck around perimeter, which has been a problem this season with the offense during 5 on 5 as well as the PP.

    As jealous as I was watching a guy like Ovechkin run around the ice, the player that most impressed last night was Mike Green. He’s got more goals than any of our forwards. He has the makings of a hybrid of Scott Niedermayer and Al MacInnis. He’s not afraid to rough it up a little as well. With his leg drive he can take out his fair share of opposing forwards.

    Florida is not going to be an easy number tomorrow. I saw a stat that they have the most goals from their D in the league. If anything the Rangers need to play very aggressive up front in order to neutralize the Panthers from generating anything from their D. If they allow the Panthers a free exit out of their zone by dropping back into a defensive posture, they’ll lose the neutral zone and it will be a long night of chasing around the other team.

  95. the NHL went to the shootout and 4on4 because teams were playing for ties in OT. now teams are playing for the shootout in OT. eliminate 4on4 and the shootout, and go back to the way it was. 5on5 and if you tie, you tie. it is alot more of pure hockey that way. a win is 2 pts, and a tie is worth1pt. no more 3pt games.

  96. mikey mcdick section 312 on

    haha whats even more annoying/funny about the people who sit in the blue is that they count every pass we make on the powerplay BEFORE they yell shoot. I still believe we take too many shots from the point where all the shooting lanes are blocked. we have to take more odd angle shots.

  97. Agravaine February 12th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
    CCCP
    no offense meant… I was just annoyed becuase I was a kid and the team I was rooting for lost the championship on penalty kicks… no I don’t expect them to play the whole night long… but it burns… how would you like the Rangers to lose the Stanley Cup on a shootout…

    —-

    Agravaine… none taken… I was just trying to explain… what was the team you were rooting for? And yes, I would definitely hate if the Rangers lost the Cup on a shootout! Don’t get me wrong I don’t really like the “skill competition” but at the same time I don’t mind it during regular season ONLY to decide the outcome of the game. If playoffs in hockey were decided on shootouts that would completely killed the game and take away the meaning of winning the Stanley Cup.

  98. Could we package Gomez, Redden and Renney for Lecavalier and Tortellini? Hell, I’ll even throw in a jar meat sauce.

    I only watched 10 minutes, but the hockeyrodent(.com) is saying this win was far from a “victory” and more of a fortuituous collection of events. I hope he’s wrong (but he usually isn’t).

    I did see hilights of Hank dropping to his knees quicker than … well, I don’t want carp cleaning this post out. But he’s going down fast.

  99. Doodie Machetto on

    “I still believe we take too many shots from the point where all the shooting lanes are blocked. we have to take more odd angle shots.”

    No, the problem is they don’t move their feet to create openings up top. IF you just pass it around the perimeter without any other movement, the defense can stay in the box in front of the goal, eating up the shooting lanes. You need to move with and without the puck to pull the box apart and create openings. Also, the occasional work down low and throwing it in front of the net/centering pass to keep the defense honest would help create more space up top.

  100. Doodie Machetto on

    I like the 3 on 3 idea. I never had given it much thought, but now that I have, I really like it.

    Also, another idea: Make regulation wins 3 pts, an OT win split 2 and 1, and then a tie(NO SHOOTOUT) worth only 1 point a piece. It eliminates the phantom 3 point game while at the same time punishing the teams that don’t go for the win

  101. Doodie, I’m not going ape over Reitz but I think he’s much more effective on the ice than Kalinen and ads a MUCH needed snarl to the lineup… nothing wrong with a “young strudwick” added to this joke defensive corps. not something that will get us a cup, but in a hypothetical Game 7, I’d rather have the threat of Reitz over Kalinen.

    Speaking of threats, watching AO live last night… everytime you see him lurking quietly, almost skating sloppily around, away from everything, you just feel like theres a shark in the water.

  102. here is a way to reward those teams who do play to win in regulation.

    make the second and third rounds of the draft go in order of most wins in reg.

    that way, teams who play just to get loser points would be picking near the bottom of the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

    it would be a good incentive for teams to play to win

  103. Doodie Machetto on

    e.m. thats terrible because youre punishing bad teams for just being bad. how are they to improve if they are forced to eat crap during the draft?

    Salty, I agree Reitz is better than Kalinin, but you made it sound like he was the best defenseman we had.

  104. CCCP True to NY fashion I am a mutt 50% Irish and 50% Italian… had Ireland gotten that far I’d have been rooting for them as well… but I tend to go with Italy for soccer and Ireland for rugby (don’t watch Italian rugby unless you want to laugh or feel better about the Rangers… on that thought go ahead and watch it)

  105. Salty,

    About AO, I was at the game a few days before Christmas and I spent a large part of that game just watching him on the ice. The way he plays is unlike anyone else. He hangs back, lets the play develop in front of him and then will jump into the play out of no where. He is extremely explosive at any second and he really gets a lot of every shot he takes.

    I think he is easily the best player (all around and just scoring) in game today.

  106. not so, doodie. some of the teams with the most OT losses are Philly, Det, SJ, Chi,

    and the weaker teams are still getting their first round top picks.

  107. Prucha to Pitsburgh for Whitney and a high draft pick

    Oh Eklund your one silly basterd!

    Why would we trade one of our top pine boys to go play with crosby to put up points against us?

    As retarded as Eklund is, this seems more likely as Sather is a COMPLETE RETARD and would actually make this trade

  108. Agravaine,

    They play two totally different styles. Cindy likes to be on the rush and likes the one to make things happen. His style is nothing special though he is a great player.

    He is the poster boy because he is Canadian and AO is Russian. They are both great players but AO is the complete package, the guy can hit the guy can score, he is exciting. And he always has a smile on his face.

  109. Got ya! that is a sweet mix (thubs up)! I honestly always root for Italian team as well, then for England… for the same reason…Ukrainian National team isn’t strong, although they played very well in the last world cup and Russian national played great during Euro 2008 advancing to the third place matchup! But Italian football is great! Even thought they always have great attacking players its their strong play on defense that makes them so great! Rugby is one tough sport too…American Football is a “girly” version of Rugby. I wonder how many people on here watch rugby. But let’s not drift away too much; this is hockey blog after all!
    FIRE RENNEY! Now, that’s better! LoL

  110. Salty, I agree Reitz is better than Kalinin, but you made it sound like he was the best defenseman we had.

    ….

    Best? No way in hell. Most physically threatening that we have? Could be.

    ………………..

    He hangs back, lets the play develop in front of him and then will jump into the play out of no where.

    I also noticed him staying WAY HIGH like at our blue line when the rush was going the other way because he knew he had to be heavily covered back there. It’s funny to see him skate like a slob at times.

  111. Just eliminate the point for the overtime loss. Can keep regular OT and shootout, because teams will be pushing hard to win it in the 3rd period and OT because it’s 2 points, or nothing.

    Now then, that leaves you with a shootout determining the entire 2 points of the game potentially, but there should be far fewer shootouts with the bigger push to win in regulation/OT. It leaves the shootout as it should be, a last resort to bring a close, competitive, hard-fought game to a final, timely conclusion. These teams played 65 minutes all out (no killing time to get that OT point, no playing OT defensively for the shootout, etc), and then resort to a shootout.

    It also eliminates the “3 point game” issue. And makes it easier to track and compare standard W-L records instead of W-L-OL.

    So there.

  112. It’s funny to see him skate like a slob at times.

    Then you must love watching Voros skate all the time.

  113. MikeyNJ

    That guy is so full of crap. I think you’re right that Sather would do something so stupid as to acquire an underachieving defensive with a large contract (See Redden and Rozy). However, that trade cannot happen because of the cap…and who do the Rangers have that they could trade and other teams would actually want?

  114. MikeyNJ – Actually, you would be the *complete retard* if you did not make that deal as the Rangers GM. That would be rediculous from the Pittsburgh side. Why would they trade their second-best defenseman *and* a pick for Prucha who rests in our press box?

  115. agree, SCX. but you don’t need points at all.

    just 2 columns, wins and losses

    no points are needed

    however, you’ll never get the weaker, small market teams to agree to it because the OT points keep the ILLUSION of a playoff race going longer into the season than if there are only wins and losses.

  116. what makes fans upset is the coaches using guys like Betts in the OT. that shows they are playing for the shootout

  117. Anyone else get mad at Gomez’s choice on that 2 on 1 with Dubinsky? He shot so soon! The passing lane was still open and available. I don’t know, it sure seemed like he took that shot from the top of the faceoff circle, but it could just be my ANTI-Gomez Goggles that I wear during every game.

  118. Aggravaine-Sick Cally video! He’s been my favorite player since they brought him up for good before St. Patrick’s Day 07. He just works hard and plays every shift like it’s his last shift; punk rock hockey.

  119. im sure it would take a lot for the rangers to give prucha to the pens, but i cant see the pens giving up whitney for prucha at all. there are talks that whitney would be a key part of a trade for bouwmeester. pens did try and get prucha two years ago, allegedly offering malone which sather turned down (malone is certainly overrated but prob would have been good with jagr)

    Also renney would probably insist prucha doesnt go to the pens b/c then he would be further exposed when prucha put up huge numbers.

  120. Of course has no intention of replacing Renney. That would be saying that Sather thinks this roster can win.

    Replace Renney and it opens the door for the blame to be focused upon Sather where it really belongs. Replace Renney means someone would have to face the fans/media and explain why they believe this flawed roster can win.

    If anyone is expecting Junior to fire forget it and you can blame your fellow Ranger fans for that. Junior sees the cash from the MSG sellouts, he see sthat waiting list for season tickets and he thinks all is great.

    As long as we feed Junior’s wallet then nothing will change.

    Rangers will go into the playoffs as a6 7 seed, make some cash for Junior then get eliminated.

    Rangers need a franchise wide meltdown to force change

  121. Of course has no intention of replacing Renney. That would be saying that Sather thinks this roster can win.

    Replace Renney and it opens the door for the blame to be focused upon Sather where it really belongs.

    ……..

    wow, completely flawed logic.

    of course sather “thinks” this roster can win, he get credit for putting it together (although we believe coaching requested certain players).

    It makes the most sense for sather to fire renney to lay blame on the coaching staff and not his beloved player selection.

    if sather makes big trades it shows that he made mistakes.

  122. Forcrissakes,playPrucha! on

    prospect park

    Just the fact that they are trying to get Avery back looks to me like they think that’s all this team needs. It’s a shame, really, when you think of the damage being done by Renney’s horrible coaching. And I’m not only talking about the Prucha situation.

  123. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! on

    (Jeffluke)
    Alright sweet observation,,i was wonder if antone would bring that up! I was sooooo mad because Gomez should have passed the puck to Dubbie!!! The angle was there , i was thinking ant good team with goal hungry player would have made that pass..Gomez makes dumb choices alot and that was definatly one…

  124. Forcrissakes,playPrucha! on

    zZZZzzzz

    You are talking about the 3 on 1 right? I wanted to smack Gomez after that.

  125. FYI:
    Voices: Howie Rose is on the NHL network right now, it’s real good and more Rangers stuff than Islanders… Kenny Albert is also on in a few days.

  126. Spiderpig : you are correct in your earlier post. The caps just refused to touch the puck…and I THOUGHT the rule was that if they COULD play it they had to and the whistle blew. The made an effort to not touch the puck to try to reduce the 5 on 3 time. That may be something the NHL has to look in to, a way to say the play is dead when it can be played, that is if that isnt the rule already.

  127. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! on

    yeah it was that 3 on 1 , why why why did he shoot? He can’t shoot , and btw I think its awfull that Prucha isn’t in the lineup!

  128. “The Captains Driven: Chris Drury” is next on NHL Network! I’m having 4 cups of espresso to stay up through that program!

  129. play prucha 7:33

    your boy has as much chance of going to the hall of fame as i do. all either of us has to do is buy a ticket.

    btw – prucha will be 27 later this year. he is hardly a kid anymore. i fully expect him to be playing in europe next yr

  130. LI Joe
    i fully expect [prucha] to be playing in europe next yr
    …………..

    Hahaha. Some team will give him a chance and he’ll average 25 goals for a couple years and I can’t wait to save this post and prove you wrong YET AGAIN, LI Joe.

    Do you remember all the disagreements you had with your “favorite” 3?? (Salty, wd40, TFBRWB). You have to admit you were wrong, Renney’s smoke and mirrors (actually, it was mostly a product of Lundqvist’s brilliance) was finally removed… and 3 fans here called it. I’d like to compare us to the FLY line, except minus the cocaine and strippers nor the stick to the mascot mid-section. But equally as effective.

  131. UpstateRanger, I just vommited a little … no ALOT and all over my computer.

    Besides that crazy game where the Rangers killed what seemed like 19 5-on-3s, when has Drury been captain-like this year? Maybe the other 2 shootout winners. 3 games out of 50+plus?!!!

  132. The Captains Driven: Chris Drury” is next on NHL Network! I’m having 4 cups of espresso to stay up through that program!

    …………

    That show cannot cover anything past 2001. Drury is a GOD DAMNED DISGRACE. I’M EMBARRASSED THAT HE’S AN AMERICAN PLAYER.

  133. “What makes his leadership special is he doesn’t have to say anything,” Dubinsky said.

    “That’s good to know,” Drury said, when told Dubinsky’s thoughts.

    (OK, now who else on this team doesn’t want to say anything?)

  134. An interesting stat on size and success. As per hockeyfights.com, the Rangers are now 9th in the league in fighting majors, with 40.

    Detroit has 7 (dead last), Washington has 20 (28th), San Jose has 26 (25th), and Boston has 30 (17th). The Devils have 44 and the Flyers have 55, 6th and 2nd respectively. But what it does show to me is that there is not a direct relationship between being tough and being a good team. Sure, Anaheim won with strength, but the skill sealed the deal. The Rangers need to worry about putting the puck in the net and keeping it out of theirs. knocking people on their ass is not the top priority

  135. I’d like to compare us to the FLY line.

    …..

    That’s awesome.

    Pretty tough to keep denying what we’ve been right though. I mean I honestly get embarrassed for people who are still defending Renney these days. In my day to day life when I hear it I’m just like “yeah, I dunno what it is”…. but around here, I know everyone here is tuned in, watching the games, and most importantly, getting the “purest” Ranger info out there. There’s no excuse for people on this blog to not see the reality of the situation IMO. Guy in the office, guy on my team… I know they are fans but they are still “casual” fans that are not as tapped into (see: obsessed with) the dynamics of the team. They think Sam/Joe/Trautwig’s word is gospel.

    If you read this blog everyday, you should know better.

  136. I don’t despise Drury…I think he is a decent player when playing his role as a steady two way 3rd line center with some scoring ability. It is hard to believe though that he is a good leader. This team needs a strong vocal presence in the locker room… Chris is not that leader, and having a crappy season doesn’t help at all.

  137. “What makes his leadership special is he doesn’t have to say anything,” Dubinsky said.

    That’s Dubinsky being an absolute *class act*, and more of a leader than Drury will ever be.

    It’s comical to me that this show exists. I would get an ulcer if I watched it.

  138. so the lineup stays the same after a win and after a 5 game losing streak, just like the PP & the coach, SOS!

  139. I checked that line generator again and it is in fact the source of Renney’s dominant combinations as proven by the comment which he puts in asterisks to *remind himself:*

    ***Please note that Petr Prucha is a healthy scratch***

  140. “Joe in DE February 12th, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    An interesting stat on size and success. As per hockeyfights.com, the Rangers are now 9th in the league in fighting majors, with 40.

    Detroit has 7 (dead last), Washington has 20 (28th), San Jose has 26 (25th), and Boston has 30 (17th). The Devils have 44 and the Flyers have 55, 6th and 2nd respectively. But what it does show to me is that there is not a direct relationship between being tough and being a good team. Sure, Anaheim won with strength, but the skill sealed the deal. The Rangers need to worry about putting the puck in the net and keeping it out of theirs. knocking people on their ass is not the top priority”

    ******************************

    Joe
    Perfect post!
    You dont want to play chicken but in the last couple of games Orrs fights have had “0” impact on the game…he’s still a great fighter but…as soon as he knocked Rupp silly the other night the Devils roared out two goals…net impact…zip

  141. jerkins perkins(mike in ia) on

    3-0 sens over philthy. 3rs period. elliot is a damn good goalie. made me think about last night that even though it was a close game it was a game in which hank didnt play that well and we found a way to get it done.

  142. Forcrissakes,playPrucha! on

    LI Joe

    I didn’t mean I thought he was HOF material. It would be nice if he did put up decent numbers elsewhere to rub Renney’s face in.

  143. jerkins perkins(mike in ia) on

    i think the voros fight last night was like him trying to do anything at this point to stay in the lineup cuz he isnt doin anything else. its kinda funny cuz orr had a decent fight and then voros follows it up gettin tossed on his ass. just cant do anything right these days for him huh? the prucha situation is so strange. i wish he would just put on like 20-25 lbs of pure muscle just to see if renny would put him in. i cant figure it out but it could all be because he didnt go to hartford when they wanted him too. now hes prob gonna play maybe 1-2 more times till seasons end.

  144. jerkins perkins(mike in ia) on

    anyone know if i can watch the wolfpack games online. seems atdhe doesnt show ahl games but if anyone knows where i can watch let me know. greatly appreciate it.

  145. true fans 8:02

    my disagreements with the 3 of you were more about attitude and drury / gomez. i was not then and never have been a renney supporter as he brings the whole team down not just the young guys and prucha

  146. LI Joe, Prucha in his pitiful number of games this season has done more good pro rata than your boy Drury has by a mile. And if you don’t think there are a number of NHL teams who will gladly pay him to play here rather than head to Europe, you are wrong. AS USUAL.

  147. cccp 8:18

    well with the current group of centers drury is acting as 2nd center as neither dubi or betts has proven to be anywhere above 3rd center or 4th in case of betts

  148. LI joe writes: “i was not then and never have been a renney supporter”

    yeah right, which is why you used to condemn everybody back in Nov for not getting off the topic of how awful Renney as a coach was. You were the RINGLEADER of that brigade to stay away/avoid from that topic. So it is amusing now to read that you were never in his corner! LOL

  149. wd40 – i thought you and i agreed not to respond to each others posts. in have no use for you and i have a feeling the feeling is mutual

  150. wd40 – last post to you. all i was saying was you didn;t need to post it 20 times a day. with your attitude tearing down others posts.

    i am pro drury and pro gomez. never was and never wil be pro renney. i am as much pro renney as i am pro wd40 except without the hate toward renney

    NOW WE’RE DONE

  151. jerkins perkins(mike in ia) on

    who cares if he defended renny when the rangers were winning and in first place? why would u have to attack the coach if they are playing well beyond what any of us thought to begin with? i defended renny too at first but yea hes made some big mistakes and still has no clue about fixing the damn pp and putting the guy who scored half his goals on the pp in the lineup. people change their minds u cant get on someone for what they said months ago

  152. LIJoe… Drurys experience and skill set should definitely put him above Betts. As for Brandon, in his young career, he already showed that he can play with skilful line mates, quickly adjust to their level of play and be very effective … something Drury or Gomez couldn’t do last year and definitely not this year for the most part. Also, Dubis leadership qualities is something that will put him above Drury in a very near future…guaranteed.

  153. cccp – dubi has what 8 goals. he is 3rd center – he’s no longer with jagr. a big part of all of our offensive players failing numbers falls on renney and his stifling system. let’s see how they fare with a better coach that we will hopefully have next yr.

    dubi will not be the future leader either. that would be Mr Staal.

  154. mike in ia, Why? because once upon a time anyone who dared question Renney here was attacked for being a fool, an idiot, a moron. “He’s overachieving! He’s doing a great, great job!” HAH! Thank God that nonsense is no longer standard or acceptable here or on any other respectable Rangers site.

    Now that the worm has turned, it turns my stomach to see someone like li joe try and rewrite history. Because don’t the people who were RIGHT about this tool from the start have a little more credibility than the ones who thought he was Scotty Bowman (or at the very least not a negative) from the getgo? You and I know the answer to that question.

    The jury is in. And people like me and true fans and Salty and Ford have been proven RIGHT all along, and it is ridiculous for someone like li joe to try and glom on to that stance. Because he wasn’t there when it mattered, and he knows it!

  155. Leroy Jenkins:
    who cares if he defended renny when the rangers were winning and in first place? why would u have to attack the coach if they are playing well beyond what any of us thought to begin with? i defended renny too at first but yea hes made some big mistakes
    ……..

    wd40’s point is that a few of us saw the flaws when the team was like 14-6-2. We saw the collapse coming. LI Joe defended Renney and called us wrong! He said we were just cynics. As it turns out, we may be prophets and if being a prophet made us cynics, then we’re guilty of both.

    Point is, we criticized Renney while Jenkins and Joe praised him.

  156. true fans – at least rememnber why we hate each other. it was never over renney. it was over drury and gomez.

  157. Joe, I really don’t hate you. I hate the devils and penguins, i hate crosby, but I don’t hate anyway who loves the sport.

    Our BIGGEST disagreements have come over Drury. However, you and *BEER ME* (where is that son of a gun?) have come on here, many a time, and bashed myself and others for criticizing Renney. Rewind to the end of November/early December and it will be there.

  158. true fans – i bashed you for criticizing drury not renney. i was never pro renney as i feel a major part of the criticism toward drury and gomez would cease if we had a better coach. i’m also antoi sather as his contract for redden is grounds for dismissal.

    no need to go round and round on this.

    beer me was the major supporter of renney not me.

  159. alex b (the poster formely known as czechthemout!!!!) on

    wd40-

    I have posted on here and several other blogs with Li Joe.
    Unless I missed something about his posts back in Nov,I know that he is not a supporter of Renneys’.You are right about many of the others though.I have been a fervent critic of the hyena since the Buffulo series.I don’t think he could coach his way out of a paper bag! If not for LQ,Jagr,and Avery to a somewhat lesser extent,Renney would been a desk jockey a long,long time ago.

  160. alex b (the poster formely known as czechthemout!!!!) on

    Jess @ prospect park-

    I see you’ve ventured over to this blog Jess. I guess all of the one sided opinion is a little boring. Never the less,I see you’ve stoped drinking the Renneyaide! congradulations and welcome to the light.By the way,I still enjoy reading your prospect updates from time to time and I completly agree with you on Grachev,he looks like a steal! Is there any scenario where he can be brought up this year?

  161. Rangers have now been involved in 54 shootouts since its inception in ’05

    why is that important?

    because it is the MOST in the NHL

    that is the absolute proof that Renney is playing for the shootout more than anybody else.

  162. alex b (the poster formely known as czechthemout!!!!) on

    Stat-

    Renney is a scared little man! I watched him close his eyes during Cally’s shootout attempt. What a wuss he is.That’s just his nature I guess and that’s also the way he ocaches wich is scared!!

  163. *LI Joe,* I’m sorry man (kinda, but not really), but i’m gonna put you in your place.
    …………
    wd40
    November 23rd, 2008 at 10:26 pm
    When is the Renny chorus line of Brandon & Dude& Beer Me and the others you know who you are gonna show their faces? Buncha P’s, if you ask me, LOL.
    *LI Joe*
    November 23rd, 2008 at 10:38 pm
    wd – it is the weekend. some of those you named usually post from work. i believe that is your 2nd post calling out people today, i see you are another class act who is happier when the Rangers are losing.
    ……………
    Gresch
    November 22nd, 2008 at 6:48 pm
    Maybe a predictable response from me, a Renney critic. But I wonder if Dubi doesn’t have a lot of CoachVoice in his head—- “don’t do this, don’t do that, or you’ll end up benched like before”—- that is grinding down his instincts and spontaneity.
    *LI Joe*
    November 22nd, 2008 at 7:05 pm
    gresch – *i’m not a renney hater nor am i a renney lover.* I did think Dubinsky was mentally tough so I hope you’re not right on him letting renney ruin his enthusiasm for the game. all i know is right now the price of poker is going down for Mr Dubinsky. as JD would say he is costing himself some fishnakels.
    ………….
    *LI Joe*
    November 20th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
    topcorner – i have a bigger issue with the anti renney faction bashing others on this and other sites. they hide in waiting and when a loss or 3 occurs their venom comes out. just as much toward selected posters here as the coach.

    I am a Ranger fan not a Renney fan (but *not a hater either)*
    ………..

    But by bashing us, the Renney-bashers, and by picking your sides with Beer Me you were passive aggressively supporting Renney.

    Thus your beef was over Drury AND RENNEY!

  164. true fans –

    the 1st you cited was getting on him for getting on other posters. he was deliberately calling others out

    2nd was taking a dig at dubi where i feel he’s massively overhyped

    3rd – same as the 1st\. getting on others for picking on posters. if your beef is with renney have at it.

    where in these did i EVER say he’s a good coach and doesn’t deserve criticism. where did i defend renney.

    between you and a couple of others – i actually hate more than isles fans. and i never thought i’d say that as long as i lived.

    for some reason it’s not enough to have our hatred for each other to be about drury or gomez. you have to make it over renney and make me a renney apologist when i never was and certainly not now.

  165. Bobby Orr was the greatest player I ever saw, better than Gretzky, Howe, Lemeiux etc.

    Some players are great offensively, some players are great defensively, some players can play a physical game and dish out big hits, some players are good fighters. Bobby Orr was all of them. He was tested his first year in the NHL, nobody tested him after that.

    He played hurt and that shortened his career. Bobby Hull said that Orr was better on one leg than the other guys were on two legs in the 1976 world games.

  166. As part of a promotional gimmick, the New York Rangers decided to have short spelling bee for some first graders at center ice during an intermission.
    The first child was asked to spell “cat”.
    The child said “C-A-T, cat” to which the fans started yelling, “Aw come on, give him another chance!”

  167. speaking of Bobby Orr-

    Bobby Orr walks into an ice cream parlor. With some discomfort, he slides onto a stool and orders a banana spit.
    The waitress asks, “Crushed nuts?”
    He replies, “No, bad knees.”

  168. wd40 sucks sucks sucks on

    Its ironical that my boys wd40, Salty, ford, etc all claim to have pointed to the eminent demise of the Rangers. Except that it hasn’t happened. Last checked the Rangers are still in the playoff hunt and have made the playoffs every year post lockout. And when they do it again, how will you explain it?

    Next they’ll tell you, the coach isn’t capable of leading them to a Cup win. Ummm, just like 29 coaches every year..oops they all suck too.

    Same dudes will tell you that the defense sucks (Redden, Roszival, Kalinin), the centers suck (Drury, Gomez) and third/fourth line sucks (Sjoestrom, Voros, Orr, Betts) but its really the coach’s fault for a losing streak.

    These same sorry mofos complain about everything, the Rangers could be in first place and you’d still hear it. They’re the experts and you’re not, just get past it.

    You couldn’t possibly understand the Rangers like they do, when a player or coach says or does something, anything – its obviously out of fear or idiocy – these guys know everything, not cause they’re in the locker room or on the bench but because of what they’ve seen on TV.

    Wah wah wah.

  169. How did that Drury show end up? I cannot for the LIFE of me believe they bothered to put that together. That is honestly a wet handed slap in the face to Ranger fans and hockey fans alike, to make a TV special about the leadership qualities of that C level hockey player who could not get a team fired up for a game if his damn life depended on it.

    FWIW, my biggest gripe with LI Joe was the fact that he came after me for using the term “locker room cancer” and considered it an offensive term. That was one of the most ignorant things I’d ever heard at the time. We’ve gone back and forth at eachother and disagree on most issues, but I do appreciate what he brings to the blog as far as salary cap and contract knowledge goes.

    And although I do spit some serious venom at times and rip/mock peoples posts/ideas, I don’t think I really *hate* anyone here… I might hate your posts and what you think/your perceptions/thought processes/writing styles… but everyone here is still just a fan of the same thing, and we all want the same thing… a passionate & successful hockey team to watch.

  170. Tom Renney and Glen sather are out in the woods hunting when Glen collapses. He doesn’t seem to be breathing and his eyes are glazed.
    Tom takes out his phone and calls the emergency services. He gasps: “I think my friend is dead! What can I do?”
    The operator says: “Calm down, I can help. First, let’s make sure he’s dead.”
    There is a silence, then a gunshot is heard. Back on the phone, Tom says: “OK, now what?”

  171. lenny, I completely agree about Orr. The GREATEST! The only hockey player I ever saw who made me nervous when he was behind his own net, planning his rush 200 feet from Giacomin!

    true fans, li joe is now (whaddya know!) a Renney detractor. Giving him EVERY possible benefit of the doubt, he is extremely late to the reality party. In November, if one is being very generous, he was “uncommitted,” though as you point out, continually running to aid and comfort know-nothings who were rabid Renney enablers continually abusive to Renney critics.

    Li Joe NEVER condemned the hate spewed toward Renney critics —- and he routinely defended Renney bootlickers.

    How he now wants to be seen on the side of the angels is an insult to everyone who had it right back in the day when he was ANYTHING but on board.

  172. salty – i still have my opinion of you over that term and that opinion will never change largely because of that. so i guess we both think the other is ignorant. but i never wished you dead in a fire something you can’t say the same for.

    most of the time i choose not to take your bait as it’s simply not worth it.

  173. I enjoyed seeing them scoring again and glad it was more than one or two goals, but…
    the wasted multiple chances on the powerplay took away alot of the satisfaction for me..

  174. Q: And when they do it again, how will you explain it?

    *A: Unconscious goaltending, most likely… let’s cross that bridge if we get to it.*

    Q:Same dudes will tell you that the defense sucks (Redden, Roszival, Kalinin), the centers suck (Drury, Gomez) and third/fourth line sucks (Sjoestrom, Voros, Orr, Betts) but its really the coach’s fault for a losing streak.

    *A: Yep. I’ll speak for myself at least. These guys suck (not 4th line), but they don’t HAVE to suck. They were all good/great players at times. Renney is clueless as to how to squeeze quality playing out of them.*

    Q:These same sorry mofos complain about everything, the Rangers could be in first place and you’d still hear it.

    *A: You DID hear it, and we were CORRECT about it. They way we were winning/getting points in many of those games was not a quality that was going to last, and it hasn’t lasted.*

    Q: these guys know everything, not cause they’re in the locker room or on the bench but because of what they’ve seen on TV.

    *A: couple that with the experience of paying attention to every move the team makes for a few seasons, and you start to pick up on what’s what… recurring themes and problems that go untouched. Sorry if you don’t feel perceptive enough to have an opinion of whats right or wrong with the team. Obviously something is wrong when youre blowing BIG leads and losing games 10 to 2. Things are not hunky dory with NYR, and once again, we will be clawing tooth and nail down the stretch for a playoff berth… and it didn’t hav to be this way, but we did tell you that it would be this way.*

    &drops mic, walks away&

  175. C’mon guys and gals, can’t all just get along? Let’s give a little love and make this world a little better like Zigey Marley once said (see the Estevez/Sheen Men At Work Soundtrack). We’re all Rangers fans and remember, nothing comes easy, all Rangers fans should know this :)P

  176. wd40 – i’ve asked you a few times now to stop referencing me. i want renney gone becuase i think he has a bad influence on all offensive players including 2 who are now taking a lot of heat – gomez and drury. if you choose to go back a few mos i said i wanted him gone so you would stop complaining.

    there is a big difference between being pro renney and wanting him gone. i guess you never heard of a gray area. like in the middle. where i was all the time. now that drury and gomez are suffering offensively i want renney gone as i feel they are unjustly criticized for actions of their coach. trust me by the way you’re no angel.

    don’t worry i’m not trying to join your club. i JUST WANT YOU TO STOP REFERENCING ME NOW CAN YOU DO THAT

    PLEASE

  177. wd40 sucks sucks sucks

    When you actually get down to talking about specifics, ie. Renney’s trapping against the Islanders and Thrashers, his inability to tap the emotion of his players (see repeated references by Naslund, etc.), his pathetic sterwardship of the power play for three straight seasons, his incredible personnel decisions (Aaron Voros??) maybe then you can be taken seriously.

    I invite you, at your convenience, to explain why you think Tom Terrific’s “defensive” trapping since mid-November, which by the way led to TWICE as many odd man rushes against than happened when they were attacking/forechecking, has helped this team. Remember now, as we saw last night, this team started 10-2-1 by pressuring the puck … whereupon Renney decided to pocket his chips and run out the clock on the season. (P.S. They ain’t done so well that way)

    Tell me how and where I’m wrong. The floor is yours.

  178. I think what this blog needs right now is a GROUP HUG! C’mon everybody…gather around and HUG!! Kaspar…no hip-checks Plz

  179. If the Rangers play the way they did last night for the rest of the year (insert jokes hardee har har) they’re gonna be fine; two words-dirty and ugly.

    Also I’ve said it like 8 zillion times by I stand by my thesis; as long as this year’s team makes the playoffs it’s a success even if they lose in round 1. This team will not contend for the Cup until the big four Anisimov/Grachev/Sanguinetti/Del Zotto and a few other surprises are ready and have a few seasons down.

    LI Joe-I know we’ve had disagreements on these prospects and Sather’s OK at best drafting records but I TRULY believe and support the two Russians, I think Del Zotto is gonna surprise a lot of people and if Sags turns into a more emotional version on Tom Poti at best..I’ll live with that.

  180. “salty – i still have my opinion of you over that term and that opinion will never change largely because of that. ”

    this is why I’ll forever consider you “book smart” with a complete lack of “common sense/street smarts”

    My own mother battles with breast cancer. I don’t *like* cancer, it’s an awful sickness that claims lives way too early. Cancer spreads within and slowly affects that which is around it and a very bad way, much like a person like Sean Avery or in our case I believe it was Marek Malik who was causing problems in the locker room. You may very well consider me cancerous to this very blog at times. *It’s not a shot at cancer patients in any way, shape, or form, and I don’t see where in the world one could logically deduct it to be an offensive thing to say.*

    If someone says, oh, my sign is “Cancer”, does it offend you? Do you know where the term “Cancer” for the disease comes from? “Cancer” translates to the crab, who’s legs spread out. They call Cancer “Cancer” because it looks like a crab the way it tries to spread out all over.

    I learned this when my mother was diagnosed long ago, and I obviously don’t take offense to an expression that is not geared to offend anyone. I don’t expect you to comprehend this, but it’s something that hits home with me as well and it’s worth explaining again whether or not it gets through to you or not.

  181. li joe, you have opened stated you hate me. (Comical, that some guy like me on the internet could get you so worked up that you would use the word “hate.” Pathetic!) As a result why the EFF would I agree to do ANYTHING you ask me to? I will continue to reference you anytime I wish to, esecially when you try and cloud the record about your beliefs!

  182. salty – i dropped that matter a long time ago. realized i could not win. why you chose to revisit it at 11:40 is beyond me. probably because you like pushing peoples buttons. like i said – most of the time i try not to react to anything you write. because when i go back and forth with you nothing good can come of it.

  183. wd40 – i asked you nicely. even used please. so i’ll ask again. please stop referencing me in your posts and i’ll do the same

    PLEASE

  184. Not to get into this debate because I respect all the posters on this board but I’ve noticed at work that everyone has become too uptight and “offended” by everything in this country nowadays, you say hello to someone and they try and serve you with a lawsuit for “emotional distress” or make up something ridiculous. It’s pathetic. I believe in free speech as far as it’s not gonna endanger people or you go overboard like our buddy Avery. It all goes back to what the late-great George Carlin and Bill Maher talk about; “the p@ssification of the American male.”

    I leave you all tonight with a quote from Jack Nicholson from Tim Burton’s great 1989 Batman; “This town needs an enema.” but replace town with country.

  185. Hey I missed the group hug

    CCCP…slow night
    Looks like Li Joe takin a beatin

    Lennynyr

    My Favorite player of all time was Bobby Orr..luckily got to see him when I was a kid….last full season 74-75…maybe his best…I’m not checking but I believe he turned 26 that season…anyway

    Here is my all time( part ranger)

    Defense: Orr and Leetch
    Fowards: Mario, Mess, Bossy…I know I know
    Goal: Roy

    Take a look at Bossy’s ten year career
    http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/b/bossymi01.html

  186. Bossy was a great player to be fair an unbiased. He was this sickly skinny kid who looked like he was gonna die from malnutrition so that’s why a bunch of teams passed on him but he could score. A little before my time but I’ve watched highlights.

    Orr is a student of the game; he’s up to date and is a great agent, heck, he look how much money he got our boy Tom Poti down in Washington.

    I know he’s not on there and wasn’t an offensive player, but I respected Rod Langway a lot. I HATED him on those Caps teams that always seemed to go deep in the playoffs back in the days, but it was a hate that came from respect.

    Some players that were a lot of fun to watch for me; Gartner (wraparound!), Domi, Francis, Macinnis and his shot, Fleury, Bure, Tik, Graves, Iafrate.

  187. Salty-It depends, I’m actually happy with the election results so if you’re going there can’t agree with you on that. I HATED Bush and I HATED his father probably as much as I hate Redden. LOL. However, this PC stuff is completely ridiculous and everything offends everyone nowadays and lawsuits/lawsuits/lawsuits. I respect everyone’s opinions and beliefs of course whether Right/Left/pro-Renney/anti-Renney….except pro-Esposito…what he did to this franchise angers me to this day even though I became a full-time fan in 89. If he showed up at my house and told me the world was gonna end and he’d save me I’d tell him “dude, you traded Ridley and Miller for what and a first rounder for a coach you fired after a year?! Get the #%@% off my lawn I’m calling the cops.”

  188. nah I just mean as far as pussification goes… everyone is hyper sensitive.

    Anyone with a letterhead can make a stink cause their personal feeling got hurt and sponsors are too scared to stick with offensive media.. i dunno, thats just one thing…. i cat get into this now I gotta go have some dreams

  189. Rick, you’ve got to go to all games from now on. You’re good luck. At the game myself. They played like the first 15 games of the season; attacking, skating hard & checking but most of all playing with some passion. Line combinations worked fairly well. Redden’s got to go & Staal got to be used on the power play. If Avery gets through re-entry he would really work great with Dubie & Z. Rick, honestly, what’s the chance of either the Phily or Montreal picking Avery. They are below us in the standings. Could Avery refuse to go to either team.

  190. …just watching the highlights from around the league thoughout the year.. . there are no rangers in the mix: no staal, dubs, cally, dawes; no dru, gomez; even Z; obviously no prucha.. no nice goals; no great hits .. drafting has been awful; signings awful, trades awful…

    …how does sather have a job?..esp considering the highest payroll in the league.. disgraceful.

    PS – some nice saves by LQ in the highlight reel

  191. ReferenceLIJoe on

    I am officially referencing LI Joe. He appears to be a middle-aged man with unresolved anger issues from childhood.

    I am also referencing Tom Renney and his (often) boring ass hockey team.

  192. This has nothing to do with the thread of comments by all you crazees, but if you stop & think that we live in the biggest/greatest city in the world and we have two of the biggest losing-est pro teams!!! The Rangers & Knicks are an embarrassment to major sports in the biggest city in the world!! How can that be?? I’m not saying the ownership needs to put together an all-star at every position because that never works!! But how do other cities, in hockey especially, always field highly competitive teams who win most of the championshiops in their sports? Boston, LA, Detroit? They have great b-ball or hockey teams Every year!! MSG has oogatz!!!

  193. jerkins perkins(mike in ia) on

    why instead of talking hockey or rangers i see people bitching and complaining about the dumbest crap. i still dont understand, or even care if somebody did like renny or supported him, so freeakin what? who cares. people got their own ideas about whats good for the rangers. but instead of talkin about the last game or the next game you talk about stuff that happened either months ago or years into the future. lifes short man just enjoy the game. i know-its been hard for me too but maybe they start playing like they did against the caps the rest of theseason.

  194. That’s a great montage, but only one problem with it…every goal he scored he was wearing an “A” on his upper left chest…

    But you are right…it was nice to hear Sam say “It’s A Power Play Goal”…I almost forgot how it sounds…

  195. Hey guys I’m not saying that this is the case because it’s only been one game, but does it seem possible that Renney has finally had a talk with his players and they are going to change it up. Carp it would be great if someone from the media could dig deep and talk off the record to see what happened. It maybe….maybe is something that you hear about years later that so and so said this or the coach had a fight with so and so. I know it’s only one game but we can all hope.

  196. Jerkins – happens a lot round here – you voice your own opinion and all of a sudden you’re an “idiot” or worse. I think too many people on here can’t understand different viewpoints, and all too often fire off insults because they don’t agree.
    Small-minded idiots won’t stop me posting – although its hard to join in some times when your in a time zone 5 hours ahead..!!

  197. Forcrissakes,playPrucha! on

    Salty is right @ 11:55 pm

    There was a streak there after the hot streak to start the season where the Rangers were winning but winning ugly.

  198. Costanza, i’ll trade you, Beer Me, JJP, Brandon, and Gargoyle in order to keep WD40 … and perhaps LI JOE can stay, but only because while I think he/she and I disagree on everything (except wanting to win the stanley cup) he doesn’t resort to the low-blows like many of the other Pro-Renney’s out here.
    …………….
    UKRanger
    February 13th, 2009 at 9:01 am
    Jerkins – happens a lot round here – you voice your own opinion and all of a sudden you’re an “idiot” or worse. I think too many people on here can’t understand different viewpoints, and all too often fire off insults because they don’t agree.
    ……………
    If you rewind the tape, “we” were once the outcasts and “we” were once slandered and ridiculed for not drinking the punch at *Beer Me’s* Friday Night Lights Renneygades.

    Turns out, “we” (ford, wd40, salty, dubi or not dubi) WERE RIGHT. When the team was winning in November, they weren’t good wins. They were Lundqvist making 28 saves, of which 21 were some combination of penalty shots, breakaways, odd-man rushes, or ridiculous one-timer high-quality scoring chances.

  199. Salty bravo!!!! I’ve only been posting for a short time, and I already said that from what I read no one wants to say I told you so, but it’s true. The biggest reason the Rangers were in first place was because they played more games then anyone until this last month or so. They weren’t winning with confidence they were winning by the skin of their teeth and anyone with a hockey mind knew they would drop back once other teams played the same amount of games. Winning in the shoot out isn’t going to take you far in the playoffs, and just because Renney made the playoffs doesn’t make him a good coach. He has taken outstanding players from other teams and turned them into non confident, question everything, unsure type of players. Most people see this and if you don’t then you have your own opionion but like most here I believe that these players didn’t become bad hockey players over night. In Renney’s system yes they did, what does that tell you.

  200. Forcrissakes,playPrucha! on

    Cynar you are 100% correct. I have said before that I think the biggest “cancer” on this team is Tom Renney.

  201. Forcrissakes,playPrucha! on

    PS. That is why I really don’t think it’s fair when Redden gets bashed like he does. He really hasn’t been coached too well.

  202. 2 in a row tonight boys!

    Keep an eye on David Booth tonight, slick 23yr old american kid with 20 goals this year.

    Anyone notice Patrick Kane’s enormous slump? 5 pts in his last 18! That’s very young Ranger-esque.

  203. Forcrissakes,playPrucha! the only thing with Redden is his game was slipping in Ott. and the fans were getting on him. Then he signs a monster contract and the fans are on him here to. I’m not saying Redden has suddenly become a bad player but I think he was hoping to come to NY and not have to be the star defensemen. I’m not really sure how to read him. I don’t think he signed here to be the number 1 guy, and now they look to him for all this offense. Again I think it goes to show how the coaches are handling this team and what they expect. And like you pointed out the coaches I agree have not helped him much.

  204. So Philly got detroyed last ngiht by Ottowa (Great for us, were still in 5th)

    But the Panthers blew out Carolina as well

    So again, tongihts game HAS to be like the one against Washington. TOTAL AGGGRESSION!! Charge the net, garbage goals, second chances

    If we play liek we did on Wed were good.

    Oh and Fire Renney

  205. FYI Rupp has not played for the Devs since Orr knocked him out…upper body injury….I think it means, “his head still feels like it’s not screwed on right.” Did not play vs Isles the other night.

  206. That line generator is fantastic! I can’t stop laughing. Is that what he actually uses?!? Just kidding. Maybe he should use that for the PP as nothing else works!

  207. Tonight’s game we really need to “up our battle level”… we really “need to compete” and “get dirty”… if we do that we can “gain some traction”.

  208. BTW Agravaine,

    Nice video… loved the black and white stuff intermixed witht the color. Might be cool to cut back and forth between the two on one photo. It would allow you to up your # of cuts to the beat. Just a thought.

  209. Riche I could do that… I have some other vids where I keep up to the beat more often but its just the matter of how many photos of a player I have. I was happy to se I have enough pics of Pru to put together a video (I didn’t think I did since I don’t go to many games and he doesn’t play many)

    anyway yea I could have used pics over in black and white or sepia along with color but I feel that is cheating sometimes…

  210. Not cheating if it looks good. Trust me. Sometimes you have to make the best with what you have. I could tell you stories!!!

    On of my all time fav pieces I had almost no video for… I had to “steal” from on air footage but I cut it in a way that made it look completely different. I’m sure if the photog that shot it saw it, he/she would recognize their shots… but it didn’t look at all the way it aired originally.

  211. Doodie Machetto on

    “Turns out, “we” (ford, wd40, salty, dubi or not dubi) WERE RIGHT. When the team was winning in November, they weren’t good wins. They were Lundqvist making 28 saves, of which 21 were some combination of penalty shots, breakaways, odd-man rushes, or ridiculous one-timer high-quality scoring chances.”

    How was I not included? I made a bet with someone while the team was 10-2-1 that if they finished any higher than 7th place I would never post here again.

    I forgot who that was though. If the team misses the playoffs, he has to never post here again.

    7th or 8th is a push.

  212. Forcrissakes,playPrucha! on

    Cynar, you’re right. We don’t know how good Redden is or isn’t and won’t until the coaches try to light a fire under his a@@, old school. He probably thinks he’s doing fine by how Renney keeps giving him all this ice time and PP time.

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