Petr Prucha doesn’t read this blog

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I won’t take it personally that Petr Prucha says he doesn’t pay much attention to what’s being written about the team, or more specifically, him.

If anything with Prucha it’s a necessary measure of self-preservation. During most of the last few seasons and definitely during the Mats Sundin Saga, Prucha’s name has been mentioned in trade rumors. But because he’s been able to shut most of it out, he hasn’t let it affect him.

“I’m not reading newspapers, so I don’t know what’s being said,” he told me today. “If you start reading the bad things about you, then you start thinking it’s true. That’s not going to help you get back in the game. You should be focusing on hockey, not the other stuff around hockey. So I was just trying not to focus on what I was hearing in the locker room from (the media) or my friends. I think that helped me. It would probably lower my confidence if I read some of that stuff.”

I’ll have a full story on Prucha in tomorrow’s paper. The kid has been great the past half-dozen games. One would think he’s earned himself a job for the time being….

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  1. I wonder what kind of contract Prucha will be looking for… I think it’s reasonable to assume he’d get an offer for 2.5-3m assuming he keeps his play up for the rest of the season.

  2. howyagonnatellme on

    One would think he earned a spot. I would have thought that back in early December when Prucha scored the GTG against Pittsburgh, but Tom find ways to surprise us.

    So much for all of us who have been calling to see this kid play since October.

    Good to see him keep his head up. He’s dealt with more trade rumors than I can remember in the past three years.

  3. I think that if the Rangers don’t resign him and I hope they do (I believe he will take less $$ to stay here maybe 2 year 2mm contract based on todays numbers. If he reaches 15 goals and 15 assists he might be offered more than 3mm, it just may not be from the Rangers) he will go back home to play. He would have a much better chance of sticking around if Renney is not behind the bench.

  4. Yep if he came here – he would be pleasantly surprised at 90% of what he reads. Im hoping he keeps up the great work.

  5. Most of the jackasses who dislike him (and you know who you are) are shutting their mouths [or not typing their gibberish] because they’ve been proven wrong. Most of those same people also dont’ see a problem with Tom Renney’s coaching style. Whatever, Renney’s still an azzclown. He’d ruin every young player’s confidence if it meant keeping the “trust” of the 7million dollar players. Eff Renney. Eff all the guys making 5million plus (besides Hank, of course).

    Its funny, even bad players go on streaks. Rozsival and Redden have both played better. I wonder about Drury (Captain ‘Durrrrr’, sling my stick over my shoulder, be lazy, not back my teammates up, let ref’s call penalties that my teammates question while I go back to the bench), Gomez, and Naslund…when do they even go on a semi hot streak?!

  6. For the inspiration and general good of the team offer Renny a new contract via one way out to THE SYSTEM farm and give Pru a contract he deserves,if not for PURE WILL POWER and persevering above and beyond the shit hand he was dealt. The guy showed more gut and hustle than 90% of his teamates and a work ethic that is what the Rangers and an attitude that is what they should be

  7. The timing on the resurrection of Prucha and the Shanahan situation is interesting. The Rangers couldn’t unload Prucha’s salary .Shanahan hung on. It now appears that something must have been said by Ranger management about the situation to Shanahan.

    As Lunquist and Valliquet go so goes the Rangers. Stay tuned. They may make the playoffs.Maybe.

  8. stand corrected:

    Prucha has been playing his ass of on a nightly basis and should be rewarded w/ more playing time. I was not a fan of his, but I recognize the work he has put in.
    __________________

  9. howyagonnatellme on

    Does anyone want to clarify for me if Prucha is a RFA or UFA come the summer? Curious.

    Thanks in advance to anyone who knows.

  10. Prucha has been playing well and deserves a spot for the season.

    Prucha appears to be much stronger on the puck in the Ranger zone from what I have seen.

    Before we give him a new contract maybe we can play out the season!!!!

  11. If everyone on the team played with Prucha’s fervor, sense of urgency and heart, this team would sit solely atop the eastern conference

  12. Is that site right? That they only have FOUR forwards under contract for next year? If so, maybe Prucha will stay. of the wingers available to resign behind Naslund as potential “Top 3 line guys”, we’ve got Cally, Dawes, Prucha, Zherdev, Korpi….too small, not enough goal scoring.

    All of those guys are restricted, so maybe we could resign 3 or 4 if we wanted to. The concern is we have no size at all on the wing….I guess it’s conceivable that we could have a few 30-goal scorers in that mix if things break right. I mean, in 09-10, isn’t it possible that with a more aggressive system, and some chemistry, any of these guys seems like they have it in them to potentially get to 30: Naslund, Zherdev, Prucha, Callahan, and Dawes.

    but we’ll never have size with that group, no matter how many goals we score. We’ve got to have the smallest “top 6″ wingers in the league, and probably the smallest “top 9″ forwards in the league.

    Kind of a mess Sather created to say the least.

    UGH.

    If it’s gonna be as bad as it looks, with cap constraints, I’d like for the team to just keep the guys I like rooting for.

  13. Does anybody know what the orange numbers are on this page:
    http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=NYR&season=0809

    With all these forwards as RFA’s, we’re not necessarily dead in the water. We should be able to sign them relatively cheap, or get compensation for them and bring up guys like AA or Grachev next year (if ready).

    I mean, I’d be much happier if Gomez, Drury, Redden and Roszival were off our books after this year, but it could be worse if all these wingers were unrestricted

  14. Joe in DE, Amen. and beyond the nuts and bolts of his game Prucha also inspires the crowd with his guts and effort which is so important and which is a response no one else gets on this team except for Hank

  15. I will preface this by saying I haven’t been a big Prucha fan and say he deserves the ice time he’s been getting of late due to his play. And yes, I hope he proves me wrong.

    Despite his recent strong spurt of games, here’s why I’m not expecting much – last year he was nowhere and the first ten games of this year he was nowhere. There always the same arguments constantly brought up on why Prucha should always be in the lineup –

    1. He was great those two seasons
    Its funny how people will use past performance to shade a discussion towards their viewpoint. Prucha and Redden are actually two perfect examples. Both have had good seasons in the past but were off their game last year and the first part of this year. Yet fans overwhelmingly want Prucha to play and Redden to sit or get traded. I would almost argue that were more likely to see Redden return to form as he sustained a high level of player for longer than Prucha ever did.

    2. He doesn’t get enough powerplay time
    You can talk about Shanahan taking his powerplay time or whatever but the fact of the matter is Prucha only had to outplay Dawes, Hossa or Callahan last year to keep his spot in the lineup and he couldn’t do it. This year its Voros and Korpikoski, and he’s finally playing better than they are.

    3. Its not only about scoring, the rest of his game is strong too
    I think it is only about scoring with Prucha. Do you think that Prucha’s game is so complete that some other GM out there wouldn’t take a chance trading for a restricted free agent that makes $1.6mn who has “scoring potential”, plays well without the puck and can play good defense. The worst case scenario would be he proves you right and then you’d have to pay him fair value. This rationale really sticks with me because I’m sure over the past few years plenty of scouts have seen him but no trade or even a legitimate rumour has surfaced.

    4. Only Prucha gets held accountable
    I think there is some truth to this but I don’t think its just Prucha – it extends to all the wings on the margin. Listen, you dress 18 skaters each night and Prucha can’t play defense or center so ten spots are out. Naslund, Zherdev and I would argue Callahan are playing better, thirteen out. Team philosphy seems to be to dress a tough guy every night, fourteen spots taken. Dawes has been an incumbent and Sjoestrom is the best size/speed fit for the checking line. That leaves Prucha, Korpikoski, Voros, Fritsche, and previously Rissmiller all fighting for those last two roster spots. Its not hard to see why he hasn’t been in the lineup that much because his play hasn’t forced Renney to keep him there (unlike now) and there have been other options.

    Like I said to start, I hope he proves me wrong but I’m not going to dramatically shift my stance on him until he’s put together a solid 20+ games. It appears to me that he’s finally gotten the message that he needs to play his ass off to stay in the lineup, hopefully he keeps it up.

  16. Is Renny a UFA ( Useless F***in asshole) next year ? Ah doesnt matter who would want him unless maybe him Pearn and Pelino go to Ottawa,hey it would be fair after all we got Redden and they did vouch for him. Hey maybe he can go back there too

  17. JJP everyone outplayed Hossa but Renney stubbornly kept playing that stiff game in and game out. I recall him breaking up the HMO line to get Hossa in the lineup when the Rangers acquired Sykora three years ago.

  18. Some people seem to forget what Prucha brought to this team when he came up. Needless to say, had he been left in the lineup like Callahan, we’d be praising his efforts day in and out. I admit to thinking he was going to get killed playing the way he did. Seems to me he’s put on some muscle since he got blasted on the boards in Philly last year.

    Go Prucha!

  19. JJP, you’ve had 200+ games to see that Renney’s a second-rate coach, and you haven’t figured out that one yet. So the idea that 20 more games from Prucha is going to help you see the light there is pretty unlikely.

  20. Prucha should be named Captain….He has more heart than any Ranger I’ve seen since Gravey was here.

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  22. Typical wd40, you just attack as opposed to putting together any sort of rational argument. We all get it, you don’t like Renney but unfortunately you can’t really back it up with any sort of dissertation of facts.

    You can’t win without getting to the playoffs and Renney has got the team there three years in a row, better than 14 other coaches every year.

    Enlighten us all, show us that you’re more than a troll.

  23. I wonder if I can finally buy that Prucha jersey that I’ve been holding off on for over a year…

  24. JJP Moe Larry and Curly couldve gotten us to the playoffs 3 yrs in a row with the talent and people we had. Imagine if we had a coach who had some real insight into how hockey should really be played and how to MANAGE THE TALENT YOU HAVE WITH A STANDARD OF PASSION Oh I`m sorry we do have Moe Larry and Curly but the retarded version

  25. Hey JJP Can I join the Troll Squad, just listen to Tom Clueless`s jiberish and inain reasoning to his game plans and thats reason enough for me. What other coach stifles the progress of the youth of the franchise by juggleing lines,putting out a inept powerplay ALL SEASON LONG and even from last year. The true mark of a good coach is to do the most with what your given not take what you have and turn its strengths against itself to impose A SYSTEM that doesnt work with this personel and this team

  26. I guess Kurt, you didn’t really back anything up with any sort of clear fact so you’re in (explain Staal, the penalty kill).

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  28. “Prucha should be named Captain….He has more heart than any Ranger I’ve seen since Gravey was here”

    Damn right. Although these days it doesn’t really matter anymore, its just a meaningless letter to most. It doesn’t change the way a player plays, but maybe it can make them worse, just ask Dru how that’s going.

    Anyway, on TSN it says if Lecavalier wants to get traded, he will go to the Habs. Ugh, fuggin nightmare right there. That would just suck. Id trade half this team for Vinny. Anyone but Staal, and Hank. Now there is a real leader.

  29. howyagonnatellme on

    JJP,

    “Both have had good seasons in the past but were off their game last year and the first part of this year. Yet fans overwhelmingly want Prucha to play and Redden to sit or get traded.”
    That may be a little hypocritical, but at the same time Redden makes significantly more money than Prucha and is a defensemen, who yes, have more responsibility. Prucha makes a mistake, and whoops, no goal is scored for the Rangers. But Redden makes a mistake and a goal is scored AGAINST the Rangers. Completely different ball game. Also, I for one want to give Redden a season to settle down in NY for I judge, even though his play has been disheartening. There is a matter of Redden looking like he’d rather be sleeping while on the ice, as well, while Prucha tries his heart out.

    “You can talk about Shanahan taking his powerplay time or whatever but the fact of the matter is Prucha only had to outplay Dawes, Hossa or Callahan last year to keep his spot in the lineup and he couldn’t do it. This year its Voros and Korpikoski, and he’s finally playing better than they are.”
    Firstly, what are the circumstances of Prucha playing poorly? Never having the same linemates? Never knowing if he would be in the lineup or not? Prucha said in an interview not too long ago he didn’t feel like he was a part of the team. He was nervous to make plays. Renney had this guy consistently worrying about if he was making the team or not. You can’t get consistency when you don’t give consistency back. Prucha was so worried about messing up, he couldn’t play his game the way he wanted too (i.e. make those plays we are all excited to watch him make now). If I am right, and this is the case, Prucha’s “poor” play falls on the coach. Meanwhile, I don’t think he’s play was all that poor. He wasn’t always noticeable, but that’s no different than Dawes, or Korpi. (And God knows Voros has been invisible.) Considering past performance, it’s common sense that this guy needs to the powerplay to succeed, and he was never given the chance on it since early last season. When the PP struggled last season, taking Prucha off of it was the ONLY CHANGE Renney bothered to make throughout the entire season. And then, a lack of special teams seriously hurt come the Penguin series.

    “Do you think that Prucha’s game is so complete that some other GM out there wouldn’t take a chance trading for a restricted free agent that makes $1.6mn who has “scoring potential”, plays well without the puck and can play good defense.”
    No. That doesn’t mean he DOESN’T have a more well-rounded game than given credit for, however. And considering the energy he brings to the team, I think a player like him is sourly missed whether they are scoring or not. Do you want to watch Gomez and Drury and Redden dully skate around the ice with no drive, no passion? Not me, thanks. Give me Prucha, who works hard, who drives to the net, who will hit whatever moves despite his size. Yes, that wasn’t his game late last season or early this season. But when you almost get healthy scratched (if it wasn’t for a PR move by probably Glenn Sather) in your HOME COUNTRY as a season opener, I think that puts a little damper on your energy parade. Prucha went from playing like he was the size of Chara to playing like the small guy he actually is. And that sucked. But that’s because he was so nervous to make a mistake, he’d find himself jobless yet again. I have a feeling he’s tired of wearing a suit everyday.

    “This rationale really sticks with me because I’m sure over the past few years plenty of scouts have seen him but no trade or even a legitimate rumour has surfaced.”
    You have no idea about the talks that went on. Neither do I, but I have a feeling Prucha has been named prettttty often as trade bait considering how often there is a rumor about him. Also, you have no way to know what Sather wants in return. Or if they even want Prucha to go anywhere… if Prucha tears it up somewhere else, Rangers fans will not be too happy with their coach or GM, will they be?

    “Listen, you dress 18 skaters each night and Prucha can’t play defense or center so ten spots are out.”
    Ok, we agree there.

    “Naslund, Zherdev and I would argue Callahan are playing better, thirteen out.”
    As of right now? There is not one winger playing better. And IMO, Prucha has the potential to score as many goals as Naslund and Callahan. Pure talent wise, Zherdev wipes Prucha clean and Naslund is talented, too, although old. I agree that all three of those players, however, NEED to be in the lineup, even at the expense of Prucha.

    “Team philosphy seems to be to dress a tough guy every night, fourteen spots taken. Dawes has been an incumbent and Sjoestrom is the best size/speed fit for the checking line.”
    Dress a tough guy who Renney never send out when intimidation is needed (actually, he DID do that the other day with Chris Neil, I was impressed). But OK, tough guy. Dawes an incumbent? Because Prucha’s NOT an incumbent? No one has wore a Rangers sweater for longer than Prucha on the whole team! Not to mention Dawes disappears for games at a time. Sjostrom, IMO, is more talented than to be shunned to the fourth line, and actually, Callahan would make a good fourth liner, too, but he is producing now with the big guys, which is awesome. But, I see your point re: Sjo. I completely disagree about the Dawes incumbent statement… he was a rookie last season… but ok.

    “That leaves Prucha, Korpikoski, Voros, Fritsche, and previously Rissmiller all fighting for those last two roster spots. Its not hard to see why he hasn’t been in the lineup that much because his play hasn’t forced Renney to keep him there (unlike now) and there have been other options.”
    Which one of those players have the offensive upside Prucha brings? None.
    Which one of those players have wore the Ranger sweater longer? Who is the “incumbent?”
    Renney STARTED the season with Prucha on the oust, which was NOT merited by Prucha’s preseason play, or the fact that he was the best conditioned Ranger to come to training camp. He also started the season with Voros on a hot Dubinsky and Zherdev’s line, when he could have put Prucha, who had success with Dubinsky last season. Korpi got the chance over Prucha.

    You can only argue that Fritsche and Rissmiller didn’t get gifted chances over Prucha. Well, poor Rissmiller; we see what happened to him. And Fritsche, (despite what, one goal?) got THIRTEEN straight games as a Ranger. Prucha didn’t.

    Even when Prucha played really good hockey in early December, Renney found it fit to scratch him instead of do something with his unproductive 7 million dollar centers. After he scored that GWG against Pittsburgh, got into a fight in Montreal, and was the only player moving against Calgary. I went to that pathetic game. The only player with legs was Prucha. Maybe Orr. And what does that say about this team?

    And what does it say to the players that Prucha got scratched after that effort?

    Sorry for the long winded response.

  30. jjp, what are your “facts?” On the one hand you say don’t cite the past in discussing Prucha, then you do just that in pimping for Renney. You wanna ignore 52 goals in Prucha’s first two years, but you wanna credit Renney for playoff appearances for those very same seasons.

    This is why is its hard to take you seriously as an observer of this team, above and beyond the fact that your opinions are almost always weak.

  31. I thought the discussion was on dissernable facts of why Renny is an sub par coach, but I guess you were right visa-v Pru Even Helen Keller could see Clueless had a hardon for Kid Courageous and quite UNWARRANTED. If it was a mere mortal Clueless wouldve ruined both his confidence and HIS GUT PLAY. Now on the other hand when youre down by 2 goals play Renny hockey and put out the 4th line. We could argue sensibly forever but when someone like you has a love affair with a Clueless coach I`d rather save my typing skills

  32. howyagonnatellme on

    Also, where have you been, Sam, Steve, etc etc? The fans have been calling for Prucha since October, and I feel like the beat writers were so, so quick to write him off as just a product of playing with Jagr on the powerplay, despite the evidence that Prucha had scored several legitmate goals without Jagr’s assistance, particular during his second season, the 22 goal campaign.

    I love that you are writing a story about Prucha NOW, Sam, as I enjoy hearing about other players besides the usual from time to time, but why wasn’t there an outcry of support for Prucha time after time when so many fans and blogs all over the internet constantly called for him again and again?

    Love the work you guys do, but Steve Zipay flat out blew off questions re: Prucha on the PP during his live chat a couple weeks ago, saying that his success was limited to Jagr. It’s like he just ate all the BS Renney throws around without questioning it at all.

  33. CCCP – that is not my email. i was letting tony from az (and i guess others) know of someone who was looking to sell. i had copied it and sent an email to myself. i saw it on blueshirt bulletin a few days ago

  34. Brooks had been all over Renney for not playing Prucha most of this year, he was the only scribe to do so.

  35. howyagonnatellme on

    I’m a sister, actually.

    Us girls know our hockey :-P

    But thanks.

    And yes, Graves, I was about to mention that Larry Brooks has called him out on it all year. I disagree with Brooks from time to time, but he is at least willing to stir the pot (sometimes too much…lol). But good for him.

  36. Really great post howyagonntellme, I don’t agree with all your points but well thought out.

    wd40 and Kurt – not so much. wd40’s reading comprehension still needs some work. Guy, I mentioned the past it was my first bullet. I remember the more recent past, 68 games with 8 goals up until recently.

    Just to clarify, when I called Dawes the “incumbent” it wasn’t from my perspective but rather the coaching staff’s. I agree Dawes probably should have been/should be lumped in with the others competing to dress but the coaching staff obviously feels differently.

    “Which one of those players have the offensive upside Prucha brings? None.” Agreed based on the past but then Prucha played a whole season with nothing to write home about. Korpikoski/Voros/Rissmiller/Fritsche – I’m not saying they played any better but the coaching staff needed to give them a look. I think its obvious that Sather hoped one or two of the guys in the group of Prucha/Dawes/Voros/Korpikoski/Fritsche/Rissmiller would have a breakout for the team on the cheap.

    I agree that Prucha is great to watch and from all reports has tons of “heart” to play but there are probably 20 kids in the AHL who will play/practice with the same discipline but won’t ever be NHL players. It sucks but its true.

    I also should have added in my original post that the Rangers must see something in him otherwise he would have been traded like Hossa or completely buried like Fritsche/Rissmilller by now. Its seems like its on Prucha’s shoulders to force it.

  37. I wish we had 19 more Pruchas on this team. His play of late has breathed life into a lifeless team.

    GO PRUUUU!!!

  38. Howyagonnatellme
    “”Even when Prucha played really good hockey in early December, Renney found it fit to scratch him instead of do something with his unproductive 7 million dollar centers. After he scored that GWG against Pittsburgh, got into a fight in Montreal, and was the only player moving against Calgary. I went to that pathetic game. The only player with legs was Prucha. Maybe Orr. And what does that say about this team?

    And what does it say to the players that Prucha got scratched after that effort?””

    I couldn’t have said that better myself. You got me mad all over again!! Great post!!

  39. JJP are you a politican cause you backpeddle like one and speak with a uncanny resemblence to Renny Hmmmm

  40. Plus, there were some players, I think it was Gomez that sort of indirectly criticized Renney for scratching Prucha the next time he did get back in the lineup. So, the players thoughts on this subject isn’t far off from us fans on this.

  41. REPOST
    “kaspar can’t talk moving or eliminating franchises without including the isles”
    LI JOE 1-12-09

    You know what; I know they dont draw but look how badly they have been run since the end of the dynasty…I mean if you ever want a lesson on how to kill a franchise just study the Isles from ’88 to 2008( I mean they even traded me!…not mention some other rejects like Luongo, Jokinen etc)

    Whats more interesting to me is that the Devils draw just as consistently bad as the Isles do and this in spite of being one of the better teams of the last 15 years..what did they miss the playoffs one time…If they ever go down for a period of time..say after Marty retires..whats to become of them? To me their fans have no excuses..Isles fans have dozens

  42. howyagonnatellme on

    JJP,

    Thanks for the compliment.

    I remember the more recent past, 68 games with 8 goals up until recently.

    “Just to clarify, when I called Dawes the “incumbent” it wasn’t from my perspective but rather the coaching staff’s. I agree Dawes probably should have been/should be lumped in with the others competing to dress but the coaching staff obviously feels differently.”

    Then you, like several people out there in Rangerland, disagree with the coaching staff and feel they are given parity to some players over others? The coaching staff feels differently; yes, I understand that, but that behavior is EXACTLY WHAT is pissing us all off about Renney.

    “Agreed based on the past but then Prucha played a whole season with nothing to write home about.”
    He also played that whole season with no power play time. He’s put on the PP, and bam! One game, two goals against the Leafs in January. And then he gets promptly removed from the powerplay. How can you even wrap your mind about that decision? And again, Prucha’s lack of production I am blaming on the coach, so yeah, he didn’t produce, but that means nothing to me unless you prove it is PRUCHA’s, not Renney’s fault that Prucha didn’t produce.

    You could stick me on the NHL rink for 60 minutes a night, plant me right in front of the goalie. I may, one day, score a goal, if I wasn’t killed first, because it bounced off my head into the net. That doesn’t make me talented.

    Same goes for a player who gets his icetime reduced from about 14 minutes a night in his rookie season to 7 in his third season. That’s cutting his ice time in HALF. Powerplay time is even worse of a decline. It doesn’t make him not talented because he can’t score the same amount of goals each season despite not getting nearly the amount of ice time or quality line mates.

    “Korpikoski/Voros/Rissmiller/Fritsche – I’m not saying they played any better but the coaching staff needed to give them a look.”
    He could have given them a look at the expense of Orr or Sjostrom or Dawes or anyone else, not just Prucha. And Prucha wasn’t subbed out so they could get a look at the other plays, he was part of this whole audition.

    “I think its obvious that Sather hoped one or two of the guys in the group of Prucha/Dawes/Voros/Korpikoski/Fritsche/Rissmiller would have a breakout for the team on the cheap.”
    Wrong. Isn’t this obvious? HE SIGNED TOO MANY FORWARDS. He knew this when he did it. He’s not an idiot. He just kept SIGNING FOWARDS meaning a CURRENT FORWARD wasn’t going to be on this team. And it was clear who Renney and Sather hoped it would be when Prucha was doing extra sprints after practice in Prague. Sather hoped he would sign Mats Sundin or Brendan Shanahan, too, and get rid of Prucha. But something fell through… Sundin. A trade. Whatever. And suddenly, when Shanahan gets comfy with New Jersey, Prucha gets put back into the lineup and is playing powerplay time.

    HELLO! Isn’t this SO OBVIOUS!? Isn’t so obvious and offensive it kills me. Prucha was the odd man out from the day training camp opened. Whatever deal was in Sathers head… and with Sundin and Shanny falling through… didn’t come into reality, and all of a sudden Mr Prucha’s back and he’s doing his thing again.

    “I agree that Prucha is great to watch and from all reports has tons of “heart” to play but there are probably 20 kids in the AHL who will play/practice with the same discipline but won’t ever be NHL players. It sucks but its true.”
    Very true. Good point if Prucha didn’t have two seasons of NHL success behind him. However, he does, making him better than all of those AHLers who will never play.

    “I also should have added in my original post that the Rangers must see something in him otherwise he would have been traded like Hossa or completely buried like Fritsche/Rissmilller by now. Its seems like its on Prucha’s shoulders to force it.”
    !!!!!!!!!

    !!!

    Prucha WAS buried! He couldn’t be sent to the minors without being picked off waivers, and trading him would get us next to nothing because he hasn’t produced (despite the fact that I don’t think it’s his fault, no team is going to give us more then a fourth rounder for a player who is a healthy scratch half the time.)Plus, trading him exposes the fact that he’s actually, believe it or not, good at hockey, and exciting to watch at that.

  43. Leetchhalloffame on

    We’re getting a little carried away here with all this Prucha Praise. Yes he’s played better but he ain’t no life saver, or for that matter season saver. Let’s get a grip here.

  44. howyagonnatellme on

    Kurt- No prob, brother. lol :-P

    God, it feels good to get this stuff off my chest man. lol

    Prucha25- Gomez is SO a Prucha fan. “The bench almost cried” when Prucha scored, according to him. “The best teammate he’s ever had.” Gomez gets a star for that one.

    When the bench erupted when Prucha scored against the Pens, that’s how you know what type of player Prucha is. I’d rather have 20 Prucha on the team and never win one game (although they would, lol) then watch some of these other players skate around and get paid millions for it.

  45. Howya DAMNNNNNNNNNN thats good maybe JJP will make you a member of the Troll Squad too due to the fact that Renny`s jibberish doesnt mezmerize you

  46. Thank you for clearing that up LI Joe … is anyone looking to sell any tickets for upcoming games? i am very interested :)

  47. howyagonna, Prucha went from 12:59/game with powerplay time of 2:53/game in 06-07, to 11:38/game with powerplay time of 1:38/game in 07-08.

    That’s not the loss of ice time you’re making it out to be, yet his production went down big time.

    Two shifts less overall a game and one less a game on the powerplay. You earn powerplay time by being good at even strength, he wasn’t last year or at the beginning of this year.

  48. JJP

    I do agree with your assessment of Prucha, but unlike you I have always liked the kid. Fortunately, WD40 has made his rational arguments earlier on in the season, like most of us have :)

  49. Also, that’s great that Gomez likes Prucha but I would rather have Avery again and no one getting along on the entire team but them winning.

  50. After reading these posts, I now truly believe that Petr Prucha is a combined version of Bobby Clarke, Jari Kurri, Mark Messier, and Wendell Clark. Now it’s all clear.

    Prucha for MVP!!

  51. jjp, when you write things like “from all reports [Prucha]has tons of ‘heart’ to play,” don’t you recognize you are outing yourself as a dope or a blind man??

    Because if you need to refer to “reports” instead of taking in what is right before your eyes, something ain’t working right.

    For the final time, the coach slashed Prucha’s playing time last season to a fraction of what he had had before Shanahan arrived …. and denied him power play time altogether. Why is it so frickin hard for you to understand that such moves will decimate production??

  52. wd40 – I watch every game and while I see Prucha trying hard, I also see him on the ground a lot. Which means he’s out of the play and out of position.

    I have yet to see you quote me anything other than your personal observations, which are so “obvious”. Have you ever even played?

    According to your logic, past production without production in the present warrants tons of icetime. Shanahan should have had 30 minutes a night by that logic.

  53. jjp, I was the tenth/eleventh forward on my college hockey team in the early 80s. We only played three lines regularly so I didn’t get many minutes. satisfied?

  54. I think I have it figured out, as to where Sather and Renney are coming from with the younger players – SADISM. Skating Bobby S. in the warm up then not playing him, then returning him to Hartford = Oh God, just more of the same steerage class treatment all young recalls in this organization get. Like Sangs really needed to take a trip to spend 10 minutes with the team. Like Potter really needed to fly to the west coast and sit on his butt for three games. Kalinin, of course, is so great, he can never be sat down for a stretch so that a kid can get a look. Of course the team invested MONEY in Kalinin, and to admit it blew the deal would be, well, embarrassing. These two management clowns are IDIOTS! And Dolan is worse for indulging them and for acting like we don’t exist. Just think – we care more about this team than does the owner.

  55. And the debate gets even Diceier Score WD 10 JJP 0 Ya think Renny is getting out the Kool- Aid for the team if they dont buy into the system Worked for Jim Jones. That may be a dark statement but after watching Renny ruin so many so fast drastic times make for drastic statements LOL

  56. JJP

    You write: “According to your logic, past production without production in the present warrants tons of icetime.”

    If I’m not mistaken, isn’t that exactly what Renney, whom you like, is doing?? Because all I see are Gomez and Drury and Redden playing insane minutes that bear no relation to their “present production.” How do you square that?

  57. I can see it all now Pearn and Pelino spiking the water bottles and Tom Clueless sitting there going ” c`mon boys drink up oh betts and orr here drink from my bottle

  58. Satisfied wd40, too bad you can’t make any additive contributions other than snarky bullshit.

    Ford, which player is the better center or d-man in the organization that gives the team a chance to win? Kalinin/AHL guy fine, granted. Who is better than Gomez, Drury, or Redden?

  59. JJP

    I didn’t suggest supplanting those guys, though that might be nice. I suggested limiting their minutes in favor of other players who have more going on a given night. Or even, as Ruff and Carlyle and Stevens and Tippett have done, benching A-listers for a game to deliver a message that lax, lazy play will not be tolerated — especially by team leaders.

  60. howyagonnatellme on

    JJP,

    “Prucha went from 12:59/game with powerplay time of 2:53/game in 06-07, to 11:38/game with powerplay time of 1:38/game in 07-08.”
    He got more ice time his first year. Now count the games he didn’t play or had Blair Betts as his center. I’m not saying you’re wrong; his production did decrease without a doubt. The question is WHY his production fell, and several Ranger fans are point to 1) his confidence (destroyed by the coach) 2) ice time and 3)linemates.

    You also didn’t include his 2005-2006 year when he got about 3 minutes and 45 seconds worth of PP time a game and over 13 minutes (I think over 14 minutes) of ice time a night. So while it’s not as drastic of a drop as I said, it’s more drastic then you’re admitting, too. Still more than half his PP time.

    “You earn powerplay time by being good at even strength, he wasn’t last year or at the beginning of this year.”

    He was good at the beginning of last year? I seem to remember NO ONE being good, and everyone struggled to score. Including Prucha.

    But who get’s held accountable?

    Ah. My point exactly.

    The point isn’t that Prucha’s a savior or Wayne Gretzky or anything. Just that he’s gotten an unfair deal and he’s much better then given credit for. And those of us who like Prucha (and the Rangers) would like to get something out of that 1.6 million dollar salary we’re paying him.

  61. just for the record, I totally disagree with the idea that you have to play or have played organized hockey to know what you are talking about. I know plenty of people who have never been on skates but understand very well what is happening on the ice when they’re watching a hockey game.

  62. As the hockey rodent points out often, Prucha is the only Ranger who makes unconventional, improvisational plays, with the exception of Zherdev. Couple that with his effort and he is the Ranger I want to watch the most, except for Hank.

    His play againt Ottawa where he held on to the puck even when he was on his knees and set up a goal without even getting up is a good example.

  63. moab, both goals were a result of zerdev making a great pass and prucha making a great pass

    so its true in both cases… imagine them skaing together on the same line

  64. Ahahahaha, stupid Knicks. I hate that sweaty slimy piece of shit Curry. Cant jump to conclusions with that stuff, but even so, its still kind of funny. Ah, i hate basketball. Its all aboot money when it comes to those players. Same with the NHL but not as bad as the NBA. Hockey players have more class than football, basketball, and baseball players combined.

    That’s why i only like hockey. Also chick tennis. Im a sucker for long legs, and those noises Sharapova makes. Gotta love them.

  65. I am glad everyone is so happy about Prucha. But keep in mind, the guy has been sitting for most of the season. His legs are fresh. I think this whole Prucha thing has been played brilliantly by Renney and Sather. They have a guy with talent, but a guy who can’t hold up for 82 games. A 50 game season will be good fr both Prucha and the Rangers.

    If only we could overcome Sather’s other decisions. . . . .

  66. LI Joe, or somebody else, please explain the difference between a restricted and unrestricted free agent? (ummm, other than the “un” part).

  67. cwagatti …

    Good Post and thats the first time i’ve heard that take on Prucha’s Play.

    I really think the ONLY REASON Prucha is getting ice time now is to raise his trade value come Feb/March.

    Prucha is a RFA next season, Chances are he will be traded, but whoever suggested that he would take 2.5-3.0 million for us to re-sign is crazy!!!!

    The RFA compensation for a 2.5-3.0 mill offer sheet is like a 2nd AND 3rd round draft pick. The Rangers would take that in a heartbeat, and no team would give that much up

  68. Prucha is in a strange spot…

    If he makes the most of his TOI and continues to score, it will help the team make the playoffs and probably help Renney keep his job.

    I don’t know which I would prefer… Prucha having a chance to prove that Renney is a fool for benching him, or for Renney to be fired in disgrace.

  69. Tom Renney is one of the best coaches the organization has seen you would rather have a mellow team than a team that cant take a loss or 10, thats why they are in the NHL. And for those of you who do this stop naming players like they are your teammates you sound like clowns.

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