Crucial stretch (Updated)

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The best news for the Rangers yesterday, other than Henrik Lundqvist’s All-Star selection, is that the Thrashers pounced on the Devils, meaning the Rangers hold onto fifth place in the Eastern Conference.

It’s a long way from those heady autumn days when the thought of home-ice through the playoffs wasn’t met with a hearty chuckle.

Either way, tonight is a big one for the Rangers, and it looks like Stephen Valiquette, who needed stitches below his shoulder this week after a Dan Fritsche slap shot in practice tore through his pads, will get the nod.

Why Valiquette tonight and Lundqvist tomorrow? Maybe because of recent history. Lundqvist lost the last time out against Buffalo. Valiquette lost last time against Ottawa. So if you’re Tom Renney, why not flip-flop the two and hope for a better fate?

The game is the first of five straight away from the Garden for the Rangers, although it doesn’t really qualify as a road trip when you consider they’ll be home after the game in Ottawa on Saturday (weather permitting), take the bus out to the Island on Tuesday, then not fly out to Chicago until Thursday.

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On the Faceoff blog, Sam Borden and Rick Carpiniello “debate the biggest rivalries in New York sports”:http://faceoff.lohudblogs.com/, with Rangers-Islanders (but not Rangers-Devils) earning consideration.

Update, 1:30 p.m.: As expected, Marc Staal and Brandon Dubinsky were named to the YoungStars game Jan. 23. And Steve Valiquette is officially in net tonight.

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  1. Where is Marek Malik when we need him….I’d take him over Kalinin. Heck, I’d take Corey Potter over him but apparently my vote doesn’t count.

  2. doodie machetto on

    REPOST

    Fine, I’ll drop Potvin, I’ll admit that was reaching. But I also didn’t even think for more than 10 seconds, and Potvin put together a couple of very nice seasons in the mid 90s, much like Richter.

    As for Richter beating Marty a few times from 94-97, I’d like to point out a few things:

    1) Richter was in his Prime, Brodeur was in his first couple of seasons.

    2) Say what you want about the Devils’ “system,” but it never worked until Marty got between the pipes. That’s why no one will ever talk about Chris Tereiri.

    3) Richter had a GAA that was lower than 2.6 only once, when it was 2.57 in 94, the stellar season that I will grant him. By contrast, Brodeur has had his GAA be as high as 2.57 ONCE, in 05-06.

    4) Richter never had his save percentage as high as 91.5%. Brodeur has done it 6 times, the first three of which were 94, 97, and 98, all prime years for Richter.

    5) From 98-02, Brodeur DOMINATED Richter and the Rangers.

    To say he was a better goaltender than Brodeur is blatant homerism. It’s fine to hate Brodeur’s guts, lord knows I do, but it’s another to disregard his accomplishments.

    So let’s review the list: Roy, Hasek, Belfour, Brodeur, Fuhr, CuJo, Vernon. Even if you have a gripe with 3 of those guys, Richter is still the 5th best of his era. When you consider there are only about THIRTY goaltenders in the HOF, 5th best from your era doesn’t cut it. He doesn’t have the stats, he doesn’t have the hardware. He’s a great part of Rangers and USA Hockey history, but that’s where it will end for him.

  3. it has nothing to do with hating marty guts,(i do) it has to do with a goalie friendly system he played in, the trap. he saw fewer shots, and quality shots than richter did. and i’m sorry, but when they went head to had in big spots richter was better. belfour was good, cujo was good, but neither were as good as richter.

  4. My ONLY 2 cents on the HOF discussion.

    It’s the International Hockey Hall of Fame (in TOR).

    So based on Richter’s international play, a stanley cup, 300 wins, I’d say he’s a HOF. Maybe it takes a fairly weak class to get him in, but there are players that are in that did not have as great of a career.

  5. I guess the thinking was “put Voros in and see what he can do”

    I doubt we see much more of him until an injury (God forbid). Voros knows it too which is why he was all broken up.

    Although if Prucha (or Dawes for that matter) dissapears again he’d be the first to get the nod I suppose.

  6. Voros is taking an unfair rap on this blog. no dought he is a 4th liner, maybe 3rd, but he did produce early in the season. way more than any of our regular 4th liners could hope to produce in a season. i know he played with better players early, but put in the right role he would be a good 4th liner for the rangers. put him with betts and orr, scratch sjoostrom, and i think you have the right 12 fowards dressed.

  7. I stand corrected. IHHOF vs HHOF are 2 different ‘ideas’.

    However, I remember while watching the last few induction ceremonies they often referred to the World Cup when speaking of Stevie Y, Mess, Lemieux, etc.

    So I guess the question on Richter is if its based SOLELY on NHL competition or not. I still think in a weak class he gets in. May have to wait a few times though.

    (ok, so it was 3 cents)

  8. Beer Me!,

    The HHOF isn’t based on just NHL competition, if it were, a player like Vladimir Tretiak would not be a part of it.

  9. toymaniam, you’re right about prucha of course. but you have to understand that some here, who seriously call him a ‘one-dimensional player,’ want to be taken seriously … and if they change their opinion based on something like the EVIDENCE (!) it doesn’t make em feel too good. lol

  10. Bulldog,

    I think Voros early on was very appreciated… but on this squad of mediocrity it’s all about “what have you done for me lately?”

    Just ask Prucha.

    Sjoestrom kills penalties so that means he’s not sitting anytime soon I gues. But you’re right… he’d be a good 4th liner.

  11. Repost ( with spelling corrections )

    bottom line

    Brodeaur was a better goalie career-wise and…he got better after say 1999 when the devils actually played offense (led the league in goals twice)

    By 2002 Richter was 36 years old and dopey….

    Fat Marty is 36 this year

    during mid-nineties if you watched ranger games and you watched devils games and you didnt see that ranger games were shooting galleries and devil games were clucth and grab- 16 shots per game dances…well then there is no turning you around…

    I just said that between 93-97 Richter was better, beat him head to head and then endure injuries and a crappy team that fat narty never had to deal with….NEVER

    I also think Richter was better the Lundqvist so has that for Homerism??

  12. I dont mind the mindset that starting Vally tonight and Hank tomorrow may work? At least the boys wont be able to think HAnk can save them in net against the Sabres.

    So here we are again, beginning of the month with a 1-2 record and 9 games/18 points out there to be had.

    I’d be rather happy if we left this month over the 500 mark.
    Is 6-2-1 too much to ask for? Probably but thats what Im hoping,(praying for) at the least

    I agree though this month will really define the season for a bunch of our top PLayers.

    Gomez, Drury, Redden, Z, Dubi, Korpi – PErfect time for all of them to get there shit together and start scoring.

    And did anyone ready Zip’s idea about Bringing Anisimov up at center and moving Dubi to wing? I really liked that idea, though it will prob never happen.

    So what moves do you guys and gals think Sather will do by the end of of Feb? He HAS To start moving some pieces around if he thinks were getting anywhere past the first round. Can we all say D MAN! together?

    Im hoping tongiht starts the weekend off right
    Have a great weekend my fellow obsessed Ranger fans!

  13. Prediction:

    Valley gets 2nd shutout tonight.

    Or maybe the insomnia has gotten to me and I’m delirious.

  14. there are times i watch hank and think he is better than richter was. for hank to better, he has to a least get to the conference finals and be a much more consistant goalie. to many ups and downs with him.

  15. doodie machetto on

    Bull dog, I’m sorry, you’re suffering from blatant homerism.

    Fuhr is already in. 5 Cups, a Vezina, and a Jennings will do that for you. Also, being the best black player of all-time helps a bit too; it’s a disgrace that Willy O’Ree isn’t in the hall.

    Roy is already in. Four Cups, three Conn Smythes, five Jennings, three Vezinas, and multiple awards at the Juniors level. Also, all time regular season wins leader.

    Brodeur will be in, first ballot, and if you think otherwise, you’re SORELY mistaken.

    Hasek will also be in first ballot.

    Belfour stands a good shot with his cup, two Vezinas, 4 Jennings, Calder, two first team all star selections, and 3rd all time win total of 460+.

    CuJo is a harder case because all he has is his 4th best win total of 430+ and a King Clancy.

    Vernon has two cups, a Conn Smythe, and a Jennings, and is the winningest goaltender currently eligible for the HOF. He still isn’t in and has a more impressive resume than Richter. So figure he gets in before Richter. That’s another weak class Richter will have to wait through.

    And as far as the “international play” argument goes, only one goaltender in the Hall is there for his international play: Tretiak. Don’t even think of comparing the two.

    Hell, if international play matters so much, why not give Tommy Salo a look! Face it guys, Richter doesn’t get in.

  16. i think a winger that plays in the top 9 forwards has to a goal scorer. dubi is not. i am leaning towards the idea of trading dubi( he has good value) to help other areas of need, and calling up anisimov to replace him.

  17. do not disagree on fuhr, or roy(best ever). if you had to win one game against the worlds best, who do you want in goal, richter or brodeur. i want richter.

  18. jason – Thanks. I’ve been there 3 times. You’d think I’d know by now! haha btw…I highly recommend the trip.

    Then my vote would be a 1st ballot HOF’er.

  19. Beer Me

    I need to repost this because I wanted to point out what the writer said about Lindy Ruff
    http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/sabresnhl/story/544179.html

    I think the goalie swap was a smart move and the idea of AA coming up and Dubi moving to the wing sounds smart too. Will never happen. I like the idea of moving Dubi to the wing. He is really strong on the puck and along the boards. Maybe it will take some pressure off of him.

  20. “And did anyone ready Zip’s idea about Bringing Anisimov up at center and moving Dubi to wing? I really liked that idea, though it will prob never happen.”

    I saw it too Mikey. I like the idea. However I don’t think we’ll see it until after the deadline. Reason: Cap. Also, b/c the Juniors season will be over, so HTFD can load up their roster. They want to get those guys some time against some better competition, so ice time is at a premium. So to have Anisimov in NYR camp would allow ice-time for guys like Grachev in HTFD.

    I don’t know how much time you give Dubi to get out of this funk though. Something’s gotta give.

  21. doodie machetto on

    Lundqvist IS better than Richter. But he doesn’t have one thing that Richter had in truckloads: consistency. I don’t think Richter was ever really an elite goaltender (except in 94), but he played at a consistently high level every single year. Let’s say elite goaltenders are 9s and 10s, Richter never had an extended stretch below 8. In other words, he gave the Rangers a chance to win every night, but rarely stole games. No long stretches of poor play, but rarely played at a trule elite level. He was a big game goaltender though, and he played at an elite level in the playoffs and international tournaments.

    Hank, at his best, is the best goaltender I have seen since Hasek in his prime. The problem is he has very long stretches of poor play. When he’s on, he can steal games for the team over long stretches of time (like the first two months of this season). But, he also can have really long stretches of poor play, like the current slump he is going through.

    In other words, Hank has much more upside, but Richter has more consistency. If Lundqvist ever plays a whole season the way he played the first two months of the season, he is a lock for the Vezina and Jennings.

  22. Doodie,

    I’m not so sure I agree with your HOF reasoning. First, Richter’s “era” of goaltending is arguably the greatest goaltending era in the history of the NHL.

    Roy/Brodeur/Hasek is pretty good company, so he certainly doesn’t lose any clout for having played against those guys on a consistent basis.

    Ranking in an era means absolutely nothing. He may be the fifth best goaltender in that era — which I certainly don’t agree with — but he’d be the #1 goaltender in several others.

    The requirements for getting into the HOF beyond the tangible numbers are: Did X player dominate? Did X player dominate for a number of years? The answer to those questions are Yes and Yes.

    Given his Cup, World Championship, various accolades and significant contributions to the game, I think he has a legit shot at getting in.

    To say he was “dominated” by brodeur from 98-02 is utterly absurd. Those were some of the Rangers worst years as a franchise comprable to the Devils best years, point period. That has nothing to do with Richter and everything to do with the team in front of him.

    Brodeur was great, no question about it. But, he NEVER faced the kind of barrage of shots that Richter did on a nightly basis. For the most part, Brodeur makes his 25-30 saves a night and goes about his business. That’s one of the reasons he’s been able to stay healhty over the years.

    You can’t deny he’s benefited from the Devils defensive system.

    Richter used to get peppered. I’d remember nights where he’d stop 40+. I doubt Brodeur has faced 40 shots more than a handful of times in his entire career, if ever.

  23. If we are talking goalies in the HOF, If Vernon and Barraso can’t get in, then Richter certainly isn’t.

  24. Mako – I’m glad you did, because that can be interpreted a few ways I think.

    The first line of it is what hit me. “Ultra secure in his job”. 12 years, no cups. 1 trip to the finals. 2(?) trips to conf finals. 1 Pres trophy.

    Also made me think of Joel Quenville. 18 years (I think it was) in STL. 1 trip to the finals. 1 pres trophy. 23 straight years in the playoffs (of course the 1st 5 weren’t his, or whatever # of years it is). But as soon as they let him go, they’ve been a bottom feeder.

  25. doodie,
    you said it well on hank, i agree. still do not agree with you on richter, oh well.

  26. Henrik is definitely NOT better than Richter… no way, no how.

    He’s a good goalie. He has yet to put together a complete dominant season. He consistently goes through 1-2 months slumps where he is well below pedestrian.

    Richter didn’t have any of those troubles on way worse teams, let alone good teams.

    Let’s keep it real for a second… Hank hasn’t won shit. He has won NOTHING here. Until he wins a cup, he’s not the goalie king in my book.

    I’ll take iron Mike 100 percent of the time over Hank, any day of the week under any circumstance.

    Richter battled. On night’s where he didnt’ have it, he’d still compete.

    Hank let’s in a bad goal, he packs it in. He’s a moody European. The Garden fans are WAY too soft on this guy.

    I, for one, don’t engage in the “Hen-rik” chant when shots his the post. But somehow this guy gets them.

    Regards,
    Someone who has thought Hank was AVERAGE from day one.

  27. Richter couldn’t win the gold medal game, whereas Henrik did. That qualifies as a pretty big game.

  28. Most of Richter’s stats were when the game was wide open and there wasn’t much scoring. I’m not stupid enough to believe that Richter is better than Marty, but I think if you put him in his prime in the same years Marty played, his stats would’ve been better since it was more of a defensive league back then.

  29. Brodeur is a surefire 1st ballot HOF even if he never plays again. Richter is borderline and maybe his nationality counts for some points as well. Still I think his lack of hardware offset his international accomplishments (96 World Cup or whatever it was called and 02 silver medal).

    Interesting who will hold the crown as the greatest American goaltender. I say it’s a 3 way race *regular season stats:

    Tom Barrasso 777 GP, 369 W, 38 Shutouts, 3.24 GAA, .892 SV%
    Calder&Vezina in ’84, Jennings in ’84/’85, 2 Cups

    Mike Richter 666 GP, 301 W, 24 SO, 2.89 GAA, .904 SV%
    no awards other than 3 time All-Star, 1 Cup

    John Vanbiesbrouck 882 GP, 374 W, 40 SO, 2.98 GAA, .899 SV%
    Vezina in ’86, 3 All-Star games, no Cups (although he was a huge reason the Panthers made it to the finals in ’96)

    You could argue that Beezer and Barrasso’s GAA and SV% stats are inflated a tad because they played more of their careers in the offensive heyday of the 80’s, in which case Beezer looks like the best of the bunch.

    For sentimental reasons there were 2 Rangers that I thought were sent away just too soon before they won in ’94, Beezer being one of them and Gartner the other.

  30. hahahaha…from TSN

    “Coach Wayne Fleming is on his way back to Canada after Avangard Omsk of the Kontinental Hockey League parted ways with him in the middle of a game.

    In a bizarre decision, Fleming found out he was fired by the club during the second intermission of their game against Vityaz Podolsk on Thursday.”

  31. Beer, Totally agree
    IT’s just a situation where I d’ love to see what Dubi can do on wing, and Anisimov at center with his current scoring streak, wokring with Z could look prety sweet as well
    But your right not gonna happen til after the deadline if at all.

  32. Funny you mentioned that. That line popped out at me as well. EC finals 3 times, SC finals once.

    Hmmm I dont remember Quenneville being in STL that long. Only 1 WC final appearance…

    Which makes me believe that there are coaches can only take a team so far.

  33. forgot about baraso, he is another good one. not as good as richter. hank does need to win some more in the playoffs to be considered in richter’ class. but i think we tend to forget who the goalie was on sweeden’s gold medal team.

  34. mako – There may be some truth to that. No question. But I just don’t know how you determine how long it takes to make that decision? That’s EIGHT years for him in STL to try and do it. There would be people jumping off the Empire State Building if Renney is here 8 years! haha

    It’s also going to take the majority of the next 8 years to get our cap situation straightend out.

  35. pavel – Had to look into Kukkonen furhter. He’s on waivers b/c Breire is coming back next week and they need to clear cap room. Sbisa is also going to go back to the minors for the same reason.

  36. doodie machetto on

    UES, Frank Brimsek is the best all-time American goaltender.

    Tom Barasso had a good few years but not enough to put together a career. Same for Beezer. I’d put Richter above both of them no question. There’s a reason I didn’t include them on my list.

  37. “Defenseman Marc Staal, who missed Thursday’s practice at the Madison Square Garden Training Center but is expected to play tonight at Buffalo as the Rangers begin a five-game road trip …- Bergen Record”

    SAM – What’s the deal with Staal?

  38. Bull Dog:
    Barrasso and Richter had very similar careers, both American born, both Silver medalists, and wasn’t Barrasso also on the 96 world cup team? But Barrasso has more cups, more wins, and more individual hardware. You can personally believe Richter is a better goalie, but the stats dictate Barrasso goes in the hall first, and if Tom can’t get in, then Mike certainly won’t.

    Beer Me! : Lundy is 26, when Richter was 26, he was still the shakey goalie who flopped in the playoffs and couldn’t win a big game at all. In fact, I believe that was the age in which Richter was giving up tying goals from behind the blue line to Ron Francis, costing us our President’s trophy season. Lundy is doing pretty good with an Olympic gold already, probably several years before his peak.

  39. Beer:

    Staal was still at the garden looking for his jock in the seats after that Lang goal.

  40. doodie machetto on

    bull dog line, not to mention that Hank was the MVP of the Elisterien the year that a good portion of the NHL players participated. That says something. I wouldn’t put it on the same level as any NHL hardware, but it’s something. Also, he has already been nominated for 3 Vezinas, something Richter didn’t get in his entire career.

    Let me be clear on this: I’m not saying Richter was a bad goaltender. I think very highly of his skills and his time as a Ranger. But the HOF has higher standards than what he accomplished. 301 wins, one cup, no trophies, a world cup gold medal, and an olympic silver just isn’t enough compared to the other goaltenders in front of him. It will take SEVERAL weak classes for him to even start getting votes.

    And sometimes the teams you play for matters. Roberto Luongo is an excellent goaltender, top 5 in the NHL, and has been for several years. He’s going to be hard pressed to get into the HOF because he has played for such terrible teams his whole career. That’s just the way the HOF works.

  41. haha…nice one johnny O.

    From THN (this time). I wish they woulda just went to a 10min OT.

    “If a goalie wins in a shootout, he is credited with a win, but not a loss if he is at the losing end. The loss to the team would not count as a loss for the purposes of an official losing streak, but counts as a win for a winning streak.
    Teams that win the shootout are awarded one goal in the goals-for column in the standings, but players receive no credit for their work in the shootout.”

  42. I had the Richter vs. Henrik discussion the other night after the Montreal game. Henrik’s regular season stats certainly look sexier, but his win totals should be with an asterik because he’s only played with the shoot out. Although it’s worth considering he’s got nearly as many shut outs as Richter had his entire career in a fraction of the time. I know Richter played behind some pretty bad teams in the later half of his career but he also played on some decent ones too and had arguably higher quality defense in front of him.

    It will come down to the playoffs and as I told my friend during this discussion Henrik hasn’t exactly won us a playoff round like great goalies do.

    Obviously it takes a team effort, case in point no matter how well Richter did in ’94 it still took a Conn Smythe performance from Leetch, a legendary single game performance in ECF Game 6 from Messier and OT heroics from Matteau to hoist the Cup…but there weren’t many games during those playoffs where he didn’t make the big saves when needed to, only Game 5 SCF comes to mind.

    Throwing ’06 out, Henrik had good games against ATL in ’07, I mean he still got the SO in game 3 when he could have coasted after they built such a big lead so early. The team as a whole didn’t play well in the first few games against Buffalo but he was one Chris Drury backbreaking goal away from helping them steal the series. He looked good in the first 2 games against the Devils last year, but I think that series win was more due to the implosion of Brodeur and the team playing exceptionally well than Henrik necessarily standing on his head. Teamwide failure again against the Pens, but the big “what if” I had in that series was what if they won game 1? I can’t clearly remember those goals that they let up when they blew a 3-0 lead, but I have to imagine change some of those goals into big time saves and that series would have gone differently.

  43. doodie machetto on

    I wanted to add one more sentence to that: With all of the high quality, guaranteed HOFers that have retired during and since the lockout, there won’t be a weak class for quite some time, and by then, more sure fire HOFers will have retired (Chelios, Brodeur, Lidstrom, Jagr, Shanahan, Sakic, Fedorov, Niedermayer, Recchi, Modano, etc.).

  44. Dr.O(25)
    i think barrasso was richter back up on that team, not sure. i am not big into who goes into the hall and stats. im going on what i saw, and remember. barrasso was real good, came up with buff when he was 18 or 19 i think. won 2 cups playing for a pitt team that didn’t believe in defence. that says alot right there, but i still think richter was better. he was an atheletic goalie, didn’t just fall down and let the puck hit, like today’s goalies. as his career went on he became a great big game goalie. he was great in that world cup(game against russia in particular) and in the olympics year they won the silver.(again in the semis against russia)maybee i’m biased, just think he was one of the greats.

  45. Bull:
    You are totally welcome to your opinion, and Richter may be in fact a better goalie. I was talking purely about getting in to the hall. Whatever Richter has done, so has Barrasso, but just a little bit better.

  46. Let’s flip this argument to other end of the spectrum for fun. Worst Rangers goalies: Dunahm, Cloutier, Hirsch, McLean?

  47. good discussion here. and it makes me think how lucky Giacomin was to get into the HOF when he did, without so many of the credentials goalies today cannot do without

  48. I think Dubi on the wing could be a very good thing. Especially if we don’t move any centers, and we have AA and Grachev, who could be NHL ready coming up. Why not? It wouldn’t hurt. I actually suggested this yesterday. Any thoughts on this.

  49. doodie machetto on

    Mike Dunham was great for that first half of a season he was brought in via the trade. It was what happened after that which was so terrible.

  50. To me, it’s not even close. It’s like choosing between Derek Jeter or Jose Reyes in a big spot, no brainer.

    Hank couldn’t shine Richter’s shoes on his best day and Richter’s worst. Heck, half of Hank’s wins are coming via shootout. Dont forget Richter didn’t have that benefit, so you can’t compare wins.

    “Hank was the MVP of the Elisterien the year that a good portion of the NHL players participated. That says something.”

    What that says is NOTHING.

    Seriously Doodie, the Elisterien league? I was MVP of a video game last night, does anyone care?

    It’s not even up for debate until Hank wins an award that matters… the Stanley Cup.

    Or, outperforms another goalie in a playoff series that matters.

    He got beat by Miller 2 years ago and outplayed by Fleury last year.

    Richter won the Cup. Richter won the Cup. There’s nothing else you need to know; absolutely, positively nothing else.

    End of story — game, set, match.

  51. Hanrik will become the greatest ranger(and league)goalie ever when his career is over and know one will pass him for quite some time(if ever) baring any major injury>period…………If we ever get a d-man or two in here he’ll be un-real.

  52. Dunham…the Ranger record holder for single season sv%. What a fuggin joke that is. He was definitely the most frustrating!

    Nasty – With you on that. Gomer, Dru, Dubi, Betts, Aninismov, Grachev.

    Someone has to move to the wing (by)next season.

  53. It made me smile that TSN called Grachev one of the biggest steals of the draft. And in watching him play, I can see why they said that.

  54. That may be taking it a bit far ACDAVIDDC… but I’m with you on the d-man.

    Hank is being wasted on a defense first team that can’t play defense… and doesn’t have the scoring to overcome that fact.

    The worst of both worlds.

    On moving Dubi to wing:

    Whatever needs to be done to get him going again. He may be the third most important part of the Rangers getting back on track (behind Hank and the defense getting their heads out of their collective asses).

  55. One significant downside to moving Dubi to the wing would be to neutralize his skating prowess, and limit almost completely his ability to lug the mail from one end of the ice to the other. In that respect he’s one of the few centers in the league who can break down a defense and gain the zone on the rush.

    But that aside, the argument for trying him on the wing has merit.

  56. beer me,
    the depth is a center, i would trade on of them. can’t trade gomez or drury. the one with the most value is dubi. trade him to try to fix some of the holes on the roster. you use anisimov in his place. its the best way to go.

  57. doodie machetto on

    Nasty, I kind of like the idea of putting him on the wing, but moving him there won’t help the team for a couple of reasons:

    1) Dubinsky’s confidence is shot. Now imagine what it does to him if the team says, “We want to switch your position because you’re not cutting it at center.”

    2) If you move him to wing and bring up AA, which wing sits? Callahan has been solid, and Dawes-Drury-Prucha is actually working for both Dawes and Prucha. Zherdev and Naslund are must starts. That leaves Voros and Korpikoski. Voros, yes, an obvious sit. But Korpikoski? Has he been that much worse than Dubinsky lately? I don’t know.

    Maybe the answer is just swapping AA for Dubinsky straight up? Dubinsky doesn’t have to pass through waivers to get to the A. A trip to the AHL did wonders for both Callahan and Dawes last season.

  58. Wow, this love affair with Henrik borders on man crush. Hard to love a guy that much when he hasn’t won anything.

    The Rangers outshot Pitt for the series and we lost in 5 games. The Rangers also outshot Buffalo in that seris and we lost in 6.

    That, my friends, means something to me.

    This is the same guy that had a THREE GOAL LEAD in game 3 and then couldn’t make a save to keep us in the game there after.

    This is the same guy that blew a 4 goal lead against the Capitals 2 weeks ago and a 5 goal lead to the Canadians last year.

    He’s a headcase. He flat out doesn’t battle sometimes. He has to be feeling perfect, thinking perfect and make saves early on to be great.

    He’s good enough to get us somewhere, but he’s yet to prove he can put us on his back and win alone.

    He’s consistently inconsistent.

    Until we go into the playoffs and beat a better team on Hank’s back, he’ll get no credit for me and will never draw any relative comparison to Richter.

    Richter won series alone, as did Brodeur.

    We were WAY better than Atlanta and significantly better than the Devils.

    Arguably, we were not as good as Pitt or Buffalo… he lost both series.

  59. Steve “The Puck Goes In-ski” Buzinski is by far the worst goalie in NYR history.

    (You could look it up)

  60. doodie machetto on

    Richter won a cup? Big deal. Cam Ward won a cup. Nikholai Khabibulin won a cup. You gonna say Cam Ward and Khabibulin are better than Henrik? Get real. It takes a whole team to win a cup, not just one player.

    And Richter had the best year of his career that year. He was phenomenal. But one year does not a career make. Just ask Jose Theodore or Jim Carey.

  61. doodie machetto on

    Brandon, name one series that Richter won alone. Just one. The Rangers were the best team in the NHL in 94, so we favored in every series. This should be good. Good luck.

  62. Brandon: I didn’t realize you were related to Richter. It’s kind of funny seeing you call out other people for their Henrik mancrushes, when you so obviously have one on Mikey that is clouding your judgement.
    When Richter was Henriks age he hadn’t won crap, and most Ranger fans were ready to go in another direction after he flubbed the Pitt series in 92. Henrik already has 3 vezina noms and a gold medal, which Richter couldn’t generate his entire career.

  63. It was nice to a Richter-talk today wasn’t it? I miss that guy

    anyway…when do Rangers decide who their top six forwards are so they can concentrate on scoring… play some frickin offense and get a big hard-hitting 3rd line together? who along with the Betts line do all the banging and Pk’ng and energizing? isnt that still the secret to success?? Or have the past championship teams not taught them anything?

    It doesnt matter whether its the coach or the GMs fault anymore these two guys gotta figure thgis out..no?

  64. bull dog line
    beer me,
    the depth is a center, i would trade on of them. can’t trade gomez or drury. the one with the most value is dubi. trade him to try to fix some of the holes on the roster. you use anisimov in his place. its the best way to go.
    ………….
    I agree with that. I love Dubi. Not in a ‘man-crush’ way! But in order to fix some of the holes, a contract has to go out the door with him too. Our cap situation will confine us to the players on the roster now until at least $5mil is taken off the cap…hopefully before the next 3 years of Dru’s contract.

    If it’s Gomer we move, then we have no #1 center. I find it hard to believe slats would deal Dru. I don’t think he CAN move Redden. And I don’t know if moving Rozy’s $5mil is really the answer.

    Hope you all like the taste of sh!t. Cause we have a big ‘ol sh!t sandwich of a salary cap structure.

    (everyone will now proceed to take this as “I can’t believe you guys WANT to trade dubi”) It’s not that. We’re just screwed. And don’t have many options to fill those holes.

  65. doodie machetto on

    Just for the record, I can only think of one series that Richter one himself. And it wasn’t within his first 3 playoff appearances.

  66. Just read over at Zip that Dubi and Staal will be playing in the Youngstars game again. Nothing against Dubi, but how does he get the nod over Cally? I am pretty sure Cally still qualifies as a youngstar. Is Dubi coming back just b/c he was the MVP last yr? Anyone….

  67. Beer: unfortunately, unless Redden’s leg falls off or some NY cabbie takes him out, we are stuck with him for 5 more years. I don’t really want to trade Roszi, but he seems like the easiest to move, and we desperately need his 5 million dollar cap hit. At least Dubi is playing himself into a smaller contract every game.

  68. dr. O. – 100% man. 100%.

    Rob – Young stars game is Freshman vs Sophmore’s this year. Possibly there due to limited # of players available. It COULD have something to due with being the reigning mvp of the competition. Cally played a few games in the 06-07 season. Maybe they’re taking the ‘technical’ side of it.

    Perhaps if they made the exception for him, you’d have too many other players that fall into the same category?

  69. doodie machetto on

    Beer, I agree, we need to dump one of these contracts.

    That’s why I liked the idea of trading for Avery. We could bury him in Hartford, where he wouldn’t report, and suspend him. His numbers come off the books. We could send one of our awful contracts the other way. Maybe Rozsi or Redden since Zubov is finished for the year and possibly for his career.

    Even if he reported to Hartford, we still don’t have his salary on our cap. The only problem then would be worrying about him poisoning our kids.

  70. Beer
    The only thing that can save Rangers, capwise anyway, is a new CBA with another onetime penalty free by-out option, the conspiratorial side of me says a lot of GMs are already thinking that way….but then again I gave Sather way too much credit this past summer ( I thought he had a “plan” all along to get shanny in under the cap, to get sundin onto the team etc….in the end it was that idiot all along holding everyone up!!!)

    Who was that!

  71. doodie machetto on

    Whatever, I think it’s great that Dubi is going to that game. It’s a scoring fest, maybe he can go there and just have fun and maybe rebuild some confidence.

  72. “It doesnt matter whether its the coach or the GMs fault anymore these two guys gotta figure thgis out..no?”

    Right on Kaspar!

    It’s all scenery now. What’s done is done… it’s how you clean up the mess that counts.

    A good start would be to… I don’t know…

    START!!!

  73. doodie machetto on

    Oh and Brandon, if your “he won the cup” argument held any water, then Tom Barasso is better because they he won the cup twice. You’d also have to eat a slice of Brodeur pie because Brodeur won it 3 times. Osgood actually won it four times times, but the first time Mike Vernon was the starter (got the Conn Smythe too). Giguere won it once and got a Conn Smythe as a loser. That trumps Richter’s one cup and nothing else in my book.

    That would also be saying that Ward and Khabibulin are better than the following goaltenders:

    1) Luongo
    2) Kipprusoff
    3) Nabokov
    4) Every other goaltender currently in the NHL that isn’t named Brodeur, Giguere, or Osgood.

    I’ll give them DiPietro at least.

  74. This Richter/Lunqvist comparison is an interesting one. I would give Richter the nod but Lunqvist doesn’t have anything close to a Brian Leetch or a Jeff Beukeboom playing in front of him. Give Lunqvist that kind of defense and a Messier, Graves, etc….type players in front of him and I’ll take Hank in a big game anyday.

  75. That is true doodie. Chalk it up to another NHL gaffe. Starting to get used to that phrase.

    Also dood – I like that idea with Avery, as we discussed when the rumor started. I just think it’s too good to be true.

    kaspar – Wishful thinking, I know. But the cba would be renegotiated just a season before dru’s $ comes off, and rozy would only have a year left after that. Even if the “gods” allowed the onetime buyout, still too little too late. Damage is done. I like my sh!t sandwich with a toasted bun…you?

  76. Rob L – That’s a nice addition to the debate.

    This may not be something that can be settled till Hanks days are done.

  77. ” I’ll take Hank in a big game anyday”

    Hey gang…lets see Hank in a big NHL game first

    I think he’s gonna be great, and it all shouldn’t be on him either, Brodeaur had a stifling-boring ass system and Stevens-danyecko to help him win cups,but lets face it beating Atlanta and last years devils isnt exactly game sevens

  78. Interesting conversation I just had with someone here at the office.

    He was trying to draw a parellel from Prucha to Granato.

    Granato had what? Like 36 or 39 goals his rookie year? To Prucha’s 30.

    Granato was traded the following season after scoring 7 goals in the 1st half of the season. Shipped with Sandstrom to LA for Nichols. Nichols didn’t play bad with us, but not nearly as good as the 70 goals he put up with the kings the year before. But he was then dealt to EDM for Messier after posting just 25 as a ranger.

    Not that trading Prucha gets you Mark Messier. He’s a bit old at this point, so MAYBE. But it could be viewed as a constant progression to upgrade a team. Nichols in this case could be represented as Kovalchuk (just as an example).

    Now the part of this conversation at this point is that the g-damn salary cap negates the possibility in today’s NHL. Even though the trade compensation MAY be fair.

    But the idea behind the conversation was that you CAN trade a young player that has potential and that player COULD go on to put up 3-4 more 30+ goal seasons. But it’s not always the return on the 1st trade that reveals the end result.

    On a lesser degree, trading Niemenen for a pick, then that same pick for sykora. Sykora had a decent stint with the czech-crew of 05-06.

    Anyway, I thought the conversation was interesting enough, and relative enough to share. There was a little more to it, but the hell if I can remember every word.

  79. Rob L. ” I would give Richter the nod but Lunqvist doesn’t have anything close to a Brian Leetch or a Jeff Beukeboom playing in front of him.”

    Henrik had Malik and now had Kalinin, and Redden. They all play D just as horrible as Beuk did. Beuk delivered the hits but sucked on D.

    Anybody remember the big hit battles Barry Beck used to have with Lanny MacDonald?

  80. “Now the part of this conversation at this point is that the g-damn salary cap negates the possibility in today’s NHL. Even though the trade compensation MAY be fair.”

    To respond to my own thought…

    This is why the next CBA should have something similar to the NFL. Whereas when a player is brought into a team that technically wouldn’t fit under the cap could renegotiate, or simply restructure their contract to fit under the cap, year after year.

    I guess it’ll just take time for the NHL owners, GM’s, etc to get used to operating under a cap, and learning from past mistakes.

  81. Rob L, totally agree with you there.

    Richter never had to make as many 2 on 0 or 2 on 1 saves that Lundqvist has had to, and imagine if Beuk or Leetch deflected shots to the net like Blosi, Redden or Malik did. It would make this conversation way different.

    I think Hank is way more consistent than Richter on the low shots, but Richter had a great glove, so I will give him the high shots or Hank.

    They both look like they went to the same school for stick handling, b/c that is not a strong point for either.

  82. bull dog line on

    22figure8,
    thats not the way i remember beuk. i remember a solid harhitting dmen, playing agianst the opposition best forwards. did you see buek play?

  83. To chime in on the Richter/Lundqvist debate, its impossible to compare. One had a career, the other has three seasons under his belt. When Lundqvist is done playing, then you can start making the comparisons, its impossible to say what he’ll do over the next 8-10 years.

    I will say this though, as the highest paid goalie in the league – Lundqvist needs to be playing like a Roy, Brodeur or Belfour all year and in the playoffs.

  84. Guys….Dru, Gomer (6yrs each left? or 5? at like 7 per each), Redden 5 more at 6 per, Rosy 3 more at 5 per…..What is the cap? 52mm? Nearly half our cap in 4 players: 1 who really sucks night in and night out thus far, 1 who has sucked for the season save for maybe 5-6 games, 1 who is our best skater but gets in the O zone and then plays 1 on 3, 1 who is our captain and is invisible for 10 games and then does something for 3 or 4 before going invisible again.

    We, in a word, are f****ed.

  85. Bull dog- Yes I saw him and was at plenty of games. The guy delivered monster hits no doubt. Be has was s s s slow to the puck and gave it away just about every shift. He had the luxury of playing with Leetch who covered alot of his mistakes. Beuk was a great Ranger but please don’t put him and Leetch in the same sentence when you compare today’s D to 94.

  86. bull dog line on

    i think leetch had the luxury of playing with beuk. made sure leetch had plenty of space to do his thing, and to make sure nobody messed with him. you are underating buek.

  87. 22…while Beukeboom wasn’t a Norris trophy nominee he was far and away better than Redden, Malik, and Kalinin. Don’t you think?

  88. Actually it was Beuk who often covered up for Leetch when he was trapped up the ice. But most of all he kept the crease clear in front of his goalie, which is something we haven’t seen on the Rangers in a very long time.

  89. It’s also interesting to me that some believe now that Lunqvist is a top 3 goalie in the league while I don’t think Richter was ever that highly regarded. Maybe the goaltending talent overall now isn’t what it was back in the 90’s. The game is also completely different now than it was pre-lockout so that needs to be considered.

    Sam, the next face-off blog should be a Richter/Lundqivst debate. Get Sam and Carp to work on that….

  90. Ford
    we watch games now and everyone points at the TV in fear when we see a Ranger dee man in deep offensively because we all know whats gonna happen next…

    2 on 1 or 3 on 1 breaks!!!!

    95% of the time!!…. and you know what? thats not the pinching deemans fault and thats not the stranded deemans fault either…its this great defensive minded system that for some reason doesnt have forwards covering for pinching deemen…how can it be…but it does be…

  91. NYR fans loved Beuk because he was a bruiser. That’s why big D before him like Huber, Plett and Shaw weren’t loved because they didn’t crush anybody. I’d take Beuk over Redden, Malik and Kalinin because after he gave the puck away, Beuk would try to kill the guy not poke check like these statues do. But I wouldn’t say he was FAR AND AWAY better. Leetch benefitted from playing with him? Leetch was a great player and great players avoid the big hits because they see things faster than mere mortals.

  92. Beuk was a horrendous passer, could have used his oversized frame more, and iced the puck too much (I’ll never forgive him for all the icings late in important games)… but he was back there constantly when Leetch would “improvise”.

    Very important to that team.

    If only he coud’ve lofted pucks out of the zone.

  93. A more interesting question is would Beukeboom be a good player in today’s game???

    I have no doubt that Leetch would still dominate but I’m not as convinced that Beuke’s slow feet and style would translate.

  94. “and you know what? thats not the pinching deemans fault and thats not the stranded deemans fault either…”

    Come on kaspar. Even *I* agree to a lesser extent than most that our (highly paid)players need to be held more accountable by the staff. So now you’re saying that they don’t need to be held accountable?

  95. bull dog line on

    JJP,
    well you are not allowed to check any more in the NHL so he would spend alot of time in the box. he came up with high flying oilers, and the rangers of that era(post roger neilson) were a high tempo, dmen pinch team. he would do just fine today.

  96. kaspar

    That is exactly what I have never understood. In a system that is explicitly “designed” to forego offensive creativity/scoring chances, you would think that at the very LEAST, the type of scoring chances against would be infinitesimal.

    But no. Lundqvist ironically sees the same types of odd man rushes coming at him that are seen from a team playing firewagon hockey! And it amazes me that something so clear continues to be ignored by the beay writers and so many fans.

  97. doodie machetto on

    Beuk wouldn’t be able to play post lockout. He’d be like Kevin Hatcher in Philly. Looking to land the big hit, but speedy shrimps like Gionta would burn his statue for 40 goals.

  98. “Come on kaspar. Even I agree to a lesser extent than most that our (highly paid)players need to be held more accountable by the staff. So now you’re saying that they don’t need to be held accountable?”

    Leetch pinches and we worship him….

    A defensemen goes to the net isnt an offensive guy supposed to cover him??

    you cant blame the defensemen who’s left alone can you?

    Are defensemen never supposed to pinch??

    whats your logic?????

  99. beer me

    I think kaspar was saying that the forwards who are not covering for the pinching defenseman are not being held accountable by a coaching staff that claims to place a premium on sound fundamental defensive hockey.

  100. doodie machetto on

    Beer, I think the point he is making is that while the player’s aren’t great, there has to be some blame on the staff when this type of glaring error repeats itself with such regularity. I agree.

  101. yup, when beer me makes a post like that showing he just might not understand a very simple concept — defensemen are allowed to pinch, and are to be covered by the high forward — it worries me.

  102. Coach oversees players

    Coach is the boss

    Players do what coach says or else

    players dont do what coach says

    Coach confronts them

    They still dont listen

    guess who “has to” get the blame

  103. “IT’s just a situation where I d’ love to see what Dubi can do on wing, and Anisimov at center with his current scoring streak, wokring with Z could look prety sweet as well”

    I wouldn’t mind seeing Dubi on the Wing, but at the same time, just cause Artie is doing wel in Hartford sure as shit doesn’t mean he’s gonna tear it up over here. Ask Froggy how that’s going.

    I’d love to see him here though, im sure he’ll do good enough. But there’s no need to rush the kid.

    So, while i was gone, how many “Fire Renney” quotes were thrown out ?

  104. Beer

    Someone doesnt cover for pinching dee-men…why?

    I gotta couple of bosses here who dont really get along…sometimes it gets akward to be in between but sooner or later you gotta be a F**ing man right? And say one thing or another…

    I feel for Renney a little in this respect ( except he gets paid a few more dollars than I do)

    The coach has to call the player out…benches him ( not just the minimum wage guys either) and this might piss off Sather

    If he doesnt do this ultimatley the coach gets called out…

    but here in Ranger land no one is ever accountable…no one but the Pruchas and the Voros and that just cannot be

  105. Bull Dog,

    there is more pure checking in today’s NHL than before….what are you talking about?

    Back in the old days, they’d hug and grab and wrassle, but with the interference and obstruction gone, there is more hitting than ever.

  106. I missed a lot. Its hell here at work today. Beuke was definitely underrated, just like Jay Wells was. Just Like Samuelsson & Kaspar. Great post by most of you and you know who you are ;)

    RE: Dubi – I can see him as another Adam Graves. Smart with the puck & great puck protection, moves & skates very well.

  107. Tell you one thing- someone needs to hit Kaleta hard tonight and often- he should not be able to move freely whatsoever the entire night and if he doesn’t make it through the game….fine.

    This team needs to start making statements- yes, they need to win- but they also need to earn respect as a team that won’t get pushed around (I don’t claim to know what every team around the league truly thinks about us, but I can’t imagine they think “oh, they’re going to be physical.”)

    Let’s start playing with some urgency and get pissed off at a guy who literally broke Mara’s face.

    We hear this is a tight team in the room- someone show me some proof tonight. Mara went crazy last time, and rightfully so- someone else should step it up tonight- and this team should start playing more physically on a consistent basis*

    (* if you are Ryan Callahan and you are, for some reason, reading this- comments above do not apply to you- carry on as you have been)

  108. “but here in Ranger land no one is ever accountable…”

    kaspar – I agree with that. It’s the nature that the NYR have developed with Dolan & Sather at the helm. There’s no doubt there’s a trickle-down effect going on here. But until the changes come from the top, you’ll just have to enjoy your s-sandwich.

    I don’t know what to tell you about the nature of MSG today. The only thing I can offer to anyone is to not watch until the regime changes. Either that, or don’t live and die with each missed assignment.

    I completely hear you from a “logical perspective”. But we’re talking about THIS management team. THIS ownership/corporate leadership.

    I wish I lived in the dreamworld we all want to. I wish we won the cup every year. I wish we went 82+ games without an giving up an oddman rush.

    I wish my team would make the playoffs and give themselves a chance every year. THAT one I’ve gotten.

    Sorry that I’m please with the direction this organization has headed post-lockout. Sorry I’m happy knowing we are building a crop of young players that will be the future of the team. Sorry I like that this organization has taken a stance to play a certain style until they get it right. Sorry I’m happy when I take a step back and look at how depressing it was to watch the revolving door of goalies & coaches losing season after losing season. Mostly, I’m sorry that most fans don’t have the patience I have.

    I’m happy that we’re fighting for 1st with a team that is poorly constructed RATHER than fighting for 8th place with the leagues 2 top scorers & a #1 pick in goal.

    I realize I did not speak directly to the point of ‘who covers who’. That’s hockey 101, we all know there should be a high man in the slot to defend against just that. We SHOULD all know that this has been taught by this staff since day 1. The instruction is there, many times the execution is not.

    The accountability of the players…it’s not my decision if they make $7mil and take a seat in the press box for a game. If it happens, it happens. If not, I’d expect that a conversation has been had, video has been watched, and the message reinforced of how to play in a situation that by the time you’d reached the NHL should be second nature.

    I’m a fan that enjoys seeing a competitive team on the ice. A fan that is loyal to my organization regardless of if I agree or disagree with the players brought in or the strategy of the staff. A fan that sees no point in trying to micro-manage as an arm-chair GM/coach.

    I’m don’t need to make anyone see it my way.

    And your moment of Zen: Opinions are like assholes. Everybody’s got one.

  109. This is comming off of the NY Post article today by LB
    and this guy 1940 has a good point. This was his post:

    “Same old story, they’ll be battling for the 8th spot with a week left, saying “We know what we have to do. We put ourselves in this position, now we have to win every game”. Why not take care of that problem now, Sather? You know the weaknesses as well as we do. Address some or all of them now.

    It’s totally unrealistic to say Lundqvist has to carry the team. Yes, a hot goalie can carry a team once they’re in the playoffs, but to put the weight of 40 games (he’ll play what, 33-34?) on a goalie is not right. It’s just covering up all the other glaring weaknesses on this team. The wide open shots other teams get on the King, the breakaways (especially shorthanded), the rebounds that no Ranger D clears, the pounding the King takes cause no Ranger D will clear the crease….no way a goalie (ANY goalie) can win games consistently without a solid D in front of him.

    Sather has to decide…do we try to get in and get past the first round this year, or do we bring up the kids, sit Kalinin, Redden, and Roszival, and hope they can develop for a playoff run next year. I’d rather give it our best shot with the kids and see them make mistakes than watch those 3 losers stumble all over the place and either miss or barely get in.”

  110. Beer, I agree with your post about building from within and being patient, but it’s too late for that this season, and for the next few. Our bed is made, rather than panic and give up valuable player assets, the easy change to give a boost and kick in the pants is to get rid of Renney

    He seems like a very nice guy, and I’d like to see him do commentary, I’d hang on every word. But, he’s not the right coach for this team right now. The team can get to the finals with the right coach. the east is flawed. I believe Boston can be had if we get that far. Old, relatively unproven goalie, and they are a small team, smaller than the NYR.

    Let’s give it a run!

  111. Sorry had a few meetings so I couldn’t respond immediately.

    I think it’s comical to even debate who’s the better goalie.
    If you haven’t been to the building in a while, take a minute and look up to the rafters. Next to the 1993-94 Stanley Cup banner you’ll see the #35 with the name Richter above it. The two go hand in hand.

    I don’t even know how to respond to “winning the cup means nothing” when you guys are hyping up Henrik for Gold Medals (Yippee frickin’ doo) and NOMINATIONS!!! You do know what a nomination is? It means you were considered but DIDN’T win!

    Don’t get me wrong, I think Hank is a nice player. He’s the best goalie we’ve had since Richter, which doesn’t say much.

    But he’s not Mike. He hasn’t won the big games yet and he hasn’t won a second round, let alone a cup.

    You can’t compare the two until he at least meets wins a big game.

    The Rangers were good enough to beat Buffalo two years ago and they were good enough to beat Pitt last year.

    I’ll tell you this… If Mike Richter is in net, there’s ABSOLUTELY ZERO CHANCE he loses game 6 to Buffalo at home; on top of that, he’s not blowing a 3 goal lead to the Penguins midway through the game in game ONE and he’s DEFINITELY not losing game 3 either.

    Any and every single Ranger from 94 says the MVP of the playoffs was Mike, including Brian Leetch.

    It’s not even a debate. It’s silly.

    Henrik can continue to pile up the Vezina nominations in a goaltending era of inconsitency where back-ups regularly take the place of starters.

  112. LOL a guy in my office who doesnt like Avery as a person but liked what he brought to the Rangers. Said to me just now. “You know what the Rangers need right now??? They need to sign Avery. This team is dead and boring, they have no spark and no fire.”

    I just stood there with my mouth open bc I knew how much he didnt like him LOL

  113. “I was MVP of a video game last night, does anyone care?”

    hey if anyone has NHL09 for PS3 join my league: PS3 HEDZ

    NHL09 is the best game ever.

    (it’s going to be party mode)

  114. sore – I COMPLETELY understand why some think that’s the easiest decision. The fact is, that it IS the EASIEST. But it’s a F*CKIN COP OUT for fans or a GM at this point.

    This team has had the same hole or two in the roster and it had a 6.5mil band-aid put on in one spot. And a ‘past his prime'(who I like alot) winger to score goals like he did 5 years ago, AND a winger with flashy moves that are used when he feels like it, that was dumped by a team with one of my favorite coaches not having a problem having him shown the door.

  115. “Sorry that I’m please with the direction this organization has headed post-lockout. Sorry I’m happy knowing we are building a crop of young players that will be the future of the team. Sorry I like that this organization has taken a stance to play a certain style until they get it right. Sorry I’m happy when I take a step back and look at how depressing it was to watch the revolving door of goalies & coaches losing season after losing season. Mostly, I’m sorry that most fans don’t have the patience I have. ”

    Dammit Beer Me! get to the point!!!
    :)

    LOL

    Gotta go…lezzz gooooo Rangers!!

  116. Doodie – I enjoy reading comments by other rabid ranger fans, like me but ALL of your Richter bashing was much ado about nothing!! Obviously, you don’t like his body of work so maybe you can just get over it now and move on!!! But before you do, put Richter on the Devils from 1995-2008, at the same age as Marty Brodeur, and Richter does just as well as Marty!!!!

    Oh, and all the rest of you Ranger Fanatics, the best thing now is to realize that a Flyer, Cap, Bruin let down is coming!!! The Rangers will hold off the Devs for awhile and the Pens will come back too. Let’s just play with who we have (less that extra forwad or two) and see where they go!! Our team isn’t going to do much with Sather meeting out the contracts to some of these “comfy” veterans!!

  117. Leetch is the man on

    I love Richter dont get me wrong. I had season tickets from 92-2001. Richter was great but he just gets the praise he does now because he won the cup in 94. Before that everyone was pissed that we traded Beezer and not Richter. Lets be real winning the cup is huge but Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl and hes a career backup at best. That 94 team just had every single piece to the puzzle to win a cup. I personally think Hanks skill is a lot better than Richers hes hust been inconsistent. Richter used to let in soft goals and rebounds all the time except in 94 he played out of his mind. When its all said and done Hank will eventually win a cup and vezina and be know to be a better goalier in Rangers history than Richer.

  118. Hockeyman Rangers on

    I keep telling myself that I shouldn’t get so caught up in “A TEAM” but it is hard not too. I keep telling myslef I shouldn’t scream at the TV during games, again it’s hard not too. I told myself last year that I wasn’t going to worry about watching every game but I find myslef sheduling myself home every game night. What can I say I bleed blue. I just hope they can get together enough to make a respectable run in the playoffs. I say if they don’t they need to move the coach, we moved to new players and if that doesn’t work lets give that a try.

  119. “Sorry I like that this organization has taken a stance to play a certain style until they get it right.” — Beer Me (aka Jimmy Stewart in “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington”)

    Talk about an unintentional laugh line.

  120. With Lundqvist, the fans love him, the mgmt took care of him and gave him the $$. I’m not going to bash him but he hasn’t stole a playoff series yet. I think that to live up to his hype, he played his last bad game and goes on a hot streak that ends in June.

    If Richter didn’t win a cup, he’d probably be remembered for letting in that shot from the blueline vs Pittsburgh in the playoffs. He was on fire in 94, how many almost heart attacks does anybody remember during OT game 7 vs NJ? I’d really like to see Lundqvist carry his team in the playoffs like Richter did.

  121. 22 – For me, richters ’94 run was highlighted by the Bure penalty shot(on the road). That, and the back to back shut-outs to start the whole run in the first place.

  122. dm

    i think richter better than lundqvist

    roy and brodeur better than # 35
    he is equal to hasek and fuhr and better than the others

  123. Leetch is the man on

    Yea the penalty shot sealed the deal. I was at the game that pretty much is the highlight of his career. You hvae to remember also that Glen Healy played welled and a lot of games as a backup that year. I personally think that Hank should play 65 games and have Vally play 17. Hank seems over used a lot and worn down.

  124. Agree. Hasek over richter, much as i love him, without blinking. And Fuhr was an incredible acrobat, who faced a huge number of odd man rushes against

  125. really wish there wasn’t a cap

    we never would have won the cup in 94 or have the 92-97 era if there was a cap. yes from 97 to the lockout they spend like drunken sailors, but that doesn’t have to be the case.

    here is a trade i would do but wash would not
    any 2 guys from our team or org so yes even henrik and staal for AO. i would do it in a minute. wash would not.

  126. Richter stops Bure in game 4, Rangers go up 3-1. I know a guy who had tiks to game 7 but didn’t want to miss the cup. He spent $1000 to scalp a game 5 tik. Yikes. He was there for game 7 so the pain is probably forgotten.

  127. one could easily say that fuhr’s shutout in game 1 at the Island in ’84 was the hump that team finally got over. he was out of his mind in that game.

  128. beerme – tretiak is in hockey hall of fame in toronto. so int’l play does carry weight. they also have olympics exhibits there.

  129. Okay, does anyone out there have any thoughts on a REAL, possible in a true universe way that the Rangers could become a significantly better team? A trade that makes sense for both sides? A signing? Anything? Not fantasy GM talk.

  130. i’d do staal, hank and grachev for AO … and wash still wouldn’t bite. Duguay on TV said he thinks AO’s the best player he’s ever seen, bar none.

  131. I really can’t believe anyone would seriously advocate sitting Rozsival and Redden for guys in the AHL or OHL. How many defensemen can make that jump quickly and perform consistently in the NHL as a top 2 pairing?

    The Rangers are lucky they have the once in a decade guy who can do it in Staal and you can see he’s still on steep learning curve. Now the team is supposed to have three project players on D?

  132. “beerme – tretiak is in hockey hall of fame in toronto. so int’l play does carry weight. they also have olympics exhibits there.”

    joe – Someone else mentioned that before I think. That gives #35 a leg up on some other guys. He’ll get in eventually.

  133. beerme – re sbisa in your 11:37 post. is he allowed to go to minors since he was just drafted this yr. maybe because he is from overseas and not jrs?

  134. joe – It’s a good question. I’m not sure. What I read on tsn.ca sounded like it’s a pretty ‘non-chalant’ move. No risk.

  135. doodie machetto on

    “he is equal to hasek”

    You must be kidding. Please tell me you are kidding. Hasek is the most decorated goaltender of all time.

    Stanley cup? Check.

    Vezina? Check. Six of them. 94-95, 97-99, 2001. In other words, he got the Vezina 6 out of 8 years.

    Jennings? Three times.

    Hart Trophy? Check. Two of them, consecutive.

    Lester B. Pearson? Ditto.

    Olympic Gold? Check. Named best goaltender for the tournament as well. Was also named best goaltender of the World Championships twice early in his career.

    Lowest all time career save percentage? .922.

    C’mon dude, you can’t seriously think that Richter can be held anywhere NEAR Hasek, can you?

  136. Chris F,

    I think that’s really the problem…

    1st there’s not one move this team needs to make… probably 3-4.

    2nd any move would require giving up something too vlauable because everthing else we have is crap… either because of contract (length and/or money) or lack of talent.

    Who would take Redden off our hands? NOT ONE TEAM
    How ’bout one of our many interchangeable 3rd/4th liners? Not one team unless it was in a package deal.

  137. dm – 11:55 are you testing our reading comprehension. federov and recchi? as sure fire HOF?

  138. doodie machetto on

    Yes, Tretiak is in the HOF, but he is the only goaltender there due to international play. No other goaltender who wasn’t decorated for NHL play is in the Hall of Fame.

    As I said, if international play meant so much, Tommy Salo should get some votes. And why not Jim Craig?

  139. doodie – It’s the ‘total package’. Mikey has it all. Not to the degree of a lot of guys. But there’s enough there to get him in. It took Anderson what? Like 10 years to finally get in? Over the span of 10 years there will be a weak enough class to get him in.

    btw…I knew hasek was a great goalie…but that’s some serious hardware.

  140. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    (Brandon) Richter ‘s number hangs retired right by the other number that should not be retired , Adam Graves.

    Both Ritcher and Graves were good and were all stars at one time but they were not as good as they got credit for.

    Ritcher was so bad at letting in the low shots we EMBRACE king hendrick for his amazing low shot saves. I’d geuss 75 percent of pucks go in down low and a low 25 percent make it up high. So if Richter had the high and Hank had the low …percentages show that Hank will and can winn this better goalie debate.

    94 cup winning season with Richter stopping bure was so amazing because we all thought Richter would let it in!!
    Hank would have had it too. Hank is not playing as well a he can with the defense infront of him . I ‘d have hank in my net before Richter…just makes more sense.

    Welcome back ( ORR) dam salty wins that bet …what a trader he is.

  141. doodie machetto on

    Recchi has 1400 points (500+ goals) and has won 2 Stanley Cups. He’s currently 18th all time in points. Everyone with more points than him is already in, with the exceptions of Jagr, Sakic (because they’re still playing), Adam Oates, and Doug Gilmour. Maybe not first ballot, but he’s sure fire HOF.

    Fedorov is one of the best two-way players in the history of the game. Certainly no player with point totals anywhere near his were anywhere near as good as him defensively. One Hart and MVP. Two Selkes, including one in the year he won the Hart. He is the all time NHL leader in Russian born players in goals, assists, and points. First Russian born player to 1,000 points. Three cups. Not only sure fire HOF, but possibly first ballot.

  142. doodie machetto on

    Beer, my point is there are too many players in front of him in need of weak classes that Richter’s time will never come.

  143. newman drury and rozy 3 yrs left, gomer 5 and redden 5 all after this yr. i expect rozy to go back to europe like kaspar did in next yr or 2.

    also expect the cap to go down – a lot in the next 2 yrs. more in 2 yrs than next yr

  144. doodie machetto on

    LI Joe, he stole the Devils series that year. That’s the series I was talking about. In his 4th serious playoff appearance. But, he followed it up with a 4 GAA performance at the Flyers. So much for being “en fuego” as you put it.

    As for the Panthers in the first round, he was good, but he certainly didn’t steal it for us. The Devils in the next round was his finest playoff performance, even including the 94 finals.

  145. GREG L

    Good to be back. Lol, yeah he was being girly aboot it, but no big deal.

    As for the game tonight, ugh, i hate to say it but these days, i actually prefer Vally in net, cause Hank is playing like half a retard. Depressing shit.

  146. richter kept us in during game 6 vs the devs before the 3rd period. and in game 7 ot and double ot he was one goal away from losing. but he didn;t lose as he stopped all shots his way.

  147. I would LOVE if Jags came back, and signed with Nyr. He’s more of a leader than anyone on this team. I never would have realized it. All the Sabre fans i talked with were damn right, Dru isn’t much of a leader. Gomer, well, he’s to immature to be a leader. And real leaders don’t take pathetic lazy penalties. For the love of Pete, not even Malik took stupid penalties like he did. That one the other night, what the fugg was that jerkoff thinking ? Holding the stick while on the PK ? Idiot !

    After the way those two wastes are playing, i’d bring back Jags in a heartbeat. Maybe some of the chaos, and all the BS he went through in that shit league is enough to convince him to leave.

    You can say he “coasted” of what ever the fugg, but who was it that showed up in the playoffs each year ?? Dru ? Gomer ? Shanny ? NO !!! It was Jags.

    The funniest part is, Jags “coasted” and still managed to put up at least 25 goals 70 points, and Dru, and Gomer, trying to play their asses off can barely put up those points. Imagine if they coasted, they would be out the door.

    I wont get my hopes up over this thing though. No way it happens. A Miley Cyrus sex tape will come out before he returns to the NHL, and she’s like 15, so by the time she gets all slutty, im sure Jags will be making some babies or something, and wont have time for hockey.

  148. JJP

    Seeing this made me sad out of that article

    ““I don’t think it would be good to think about it,” Jagr said when asked if he had regrets. “I don’t want to look back and think I made a bad decision. Maybe I would be happy in the U.S. still. You never know. I don’t ask myself that question.””

  149. dm – well recchi especially reminded me of tommy john and blyleven in baseball. longevity never dominant. noticed oates and golmour not in yet anthough both should make it. as guys play a lot of games thery tend to put up numbers, i don’t see recchi or federov as automatic. have a bigger issue with recchi than federov.

  150. doodie machetto on

    That’s not winning the series for the team. That’s being solid and giving your team a chance to win. Which is what Richter was 90% of the time. Solid, giving his team the chance to win every night. But that’s not single handedly winning a series. If you want an example of that, look at the Sabres’ run to the cup in 1999. They almost won the cup that year (lost in game 6 of the Triple OT from the infamous Hull goal). 1.79 GAA and .939 save %. RIDICULOUS.

    My point is, name ONE person on that Buffalo squad OTHER than Hasek. I can think of two. TWO players from a team that made the NHL Finals. I think the only time I can come up with less is the Panthers in 97 (another great example- look at the Beezer that year).

  151. DOODIE

    I wasn’t into hockey at that time, but Hasek was the only person i knew on that team. The only other person i knew aboot was that Chicken Parm guy, that used to be on NBC. And i only knew aboot him cause he would argue with Hull, on NBC aboot how his goal “shouldn’t have counted”

    Point being, he’s a hell of a goalie, and anybody that gets into this game should know aboot him. Im glad to see he won a Cup before he retired, even if it was as a backup goalie.

    I like Richter, but overall Hasek is better. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kind of a homer, but eh, i got nothing against that.

  152. doodie machetto on

    What are you talking about. He was inducted in 2001. Along with Hawerchuk and Kurri, who coincidentally sandwich Recchi on the points list, at 17 and 19 respectively.

  153. doodie machetto on

    What are you talking about. He was inducted in 2001. Along with Hawerchuk and Kurri, who coincidentally sandwich Recchi on the points list, at 17 and 19 respectively.

  154. gartner was unlucky. played on a lot of good Cap teams that always found a way to gas themsevles in the p’offs, then got shipped out of ny right before the cup run. great natural goalscorer.

  155. JJP
    Thanks for the story about Jags…very intersting guy, always liked him and I feel like sending him my NHL center ice bill from last season

    I paid $169 so I could watch every Ranger game for the first time in like 20 years…When I saw him explode in last 5 regular season games and playoffs I knew he had dogged it all year…what can I say?

    he later confirmed saving himself…I feel he owes me $84.50

  156. bull dog line on

    suprised to see on this blog how few people realized how great hasek was. he and roy were the 2 best ive seen.

  157. Hey Bull dog

    Hacek was great!

    He is one of the few “nuetral-zone” trap goalies I give the same respect to the pre-trap guys

    I show my age but I never saw anyone better than Bernie parent from 73-76 and Cheevers played on this all-out balls to the wall offensive team and was left literally to fend for himself at times…he was really good

    The problem with the clutch-and-grab era goalie stats is similar to when people compare this eras great starting pitchers to Seaver and Palmer and Catfish and Carlton…guys who called it a bad game when it was uncomplete (whether they won or lost theyd apologize about leaving)to hear Clemmens or Maddox mentioned in the same breath gets my blood boiling…six inning guys man!!

    Thats little league

  158. i wasn’t saying hasek is bad. i think very highly of richter so it was more about praising richter than bashing hasek.

  159. Bull dog,

    I completely agree with you. Many people fail to realize Hasek was awesome. That may be because he was buried in Buffalo during the Bills 4 runs to the finals…i don’t know. But the guy only had 4 seasons where his SV% was below .915! He has 5 seasons of .930 or better, and another 5 over .910. His career SV% is .922!!! That is ridiculous.

  160. khl allstar game has several locals invloved per newsday blog. congrats KASPAR

    Team Yashin includes D Alexei Zhitnik, D Darius Kasparaitis and Yashin.

    Team Jagr includes No. 68, D Karel Rachunek, F Marcel Hossa and even former first-round pick Pavel Brendl, Neil Smith’s bad choice

  161. I think we get at least a goal tonight, maybe 2, from the line of Korpi, Dubi, and Z. Dubi was close against the Habs, and Korpedo will be shot out of a cannon

  162. Brandon
    January 9th, 2009 at 11:26 am
    Henrik is definitely NOT better than Richter… no way, no how.

    He’s a good goalie. He has yet to put together a complete dominant season. He consistently goes through 1-2 months slumps where he is well below pedestrian.

    Richter didn’t have any of those troubles on way worse teams, let alone good teams.

    Let’s keep it real for a second… Hank hasn’t won shit. He has won NOTHING here. Until he wins a cup, he’s not the goalie king in my book.

    I’ll take iron Mike 100 percent of the time over Hank, any day of the week under any circumstance.

    Richter battled. On night’s where he didnt’ have it, he’d still compete.

    Hank let’s in a bad goal, he packs it in. He’s a moody European. The Garden fans are WAY too soft on this guy.

    I, for one, don’t engage in the “Hen-rik” chant when shots his the post. But somehow this guy gets them.

    Regards,
    Someone who has thought Hank was AVERAGE from day one.

    Sorry but you’re 100% wrong. Richter usually went one good year one bad year over the coarse of his career. Once he hit his early 30’s his career went in the toilet alot of it was because of his knee injuries. Hell imo his worst years were 92-93 , the lock shortened 95 season and 00-01 when he was one of the worst goalies around. Throw in 95-96 where he played well but missed alot of time due to his groin inujuries. Plus he along with Leetch sulked in 97-98 over Mess leaving. His last good play was when he had a great first half in 99-00 but he hurt his knee and struggled the second half in 00 and stunk the next year before blowing out his knee again. Lundqvist has been amazing from his first game here anyone that thinks he’s average is a fool. He is right up there with Brodeur and Luongo as the best. He carried along with Jags this team to the playoffs. He has had struggles at times but for the most part he’s been an incredible franchise goalie.

  163. I love Richter but he can’t carry Hasek’s jock, Hasek was flatout the best player in the sport in the mid to late 90’s.

  164. Orr Hasek won his first cup as a starter with the Wings back in ’02 geez in ’08 it was his second cup.

  165. ORR !! What Is It Good FOR ??
    January 9th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
    DOODIE

    I wasn’t into hockey at that time, but Hasek was the only person i knew on that team. The only other person i knew aboot was that Chicken Parm guy, that used to be on NBC. And i only knew aboot him cause he would argue with Hull, on NBC aboot how his goal “shouldn’t have counted”

    Point being, he’s a hell of a goalie, and anybody that gets into this game should know aboot him. Im glad to see he won a Cup before he retired, even if it was as a backup goalie.

    I like Richter, but overall Hasek is better. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kind of a homer, but eh, i got nothing against that.

    LMAO HASEK ALREADY HAD A CUP BEFORE LAST YEAR. Geez man at least reseach before you post.

  166. do you think blueshirtbulletin would just die for 200 comments on a post? Me thinks so. Way to chase people away..that was incredible business savvy. not!

  167. Orr is back posting again? We need to get a banishment bet going again…graves9, any suggestions? maybe we flipped a coin thats heads on both sides?

  168. Brandon
    January 9th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
    Sorry had a few meetings so I couldn’t respond immediately.

    I think it’s comical to even debate who’s the better goalie.
    If you haven’t been to the building in a while, take a minute and look up to the rafters. Next to the 1993-94 Stanley Cup banner you’ll see the #35 with the name Richter above it. The two go hand in hand.

    I don’t even know how to respond to “winning the cup means nothing” when you guys are hyping up Henrik for Gold Medals (Yippee frickin’ doo) and NOMINATIONS!!! You do know what a nomination is? It means you were considered but DIDN’T win!

    Don’t get me wrong, I think Hank is a nice player. He’s the best goalie we’ve had since Richter, which doesn’t say much.

    But he’s not Mike. He hasn’t won the big games yet and he hasn’t won a second round, let alone a cup.

    You can’t compare the two until he at least meets wins a big game.

    The Rangers were good enough to beat Buffalo two years ago and they were good enough to beat Pitt last year.

    I’ll tell you this… If Mike Richter is in net, there’s ABSOLUTELY ZERO CHANCE he loses game 6 to Buffalo at home; on top of that, he’s not blowing a 3 goal lead to the Penguins midway through the game in game ONE and he’s DEFINITELY not losing game 3 either.

    Any and every single Ranger from 94 says the MVP of the playoffs was Mike, including Brian Leetch.

    It’s not even a debate. It’s silly.

    Henrik can continue to pile up the Vezina nominations in a goaltending era of inconsitency where back-ups regularly take the place of starters.

    Oh my fricken God you know jack about Ranger history. Who gacve up that putrid goal to Francis? Richter that’s who he was one of the main reasons they lost to an inferior pens team in ’92. Hank is better the only people that don’t think so are nostalgic about ’94.

  169. As Jason mentioned Richter killed the team in the 92 playoffs that goal to Francis was one of the worst ever. Richter was godawful in the ’95 playoffs in fact they don’t beat the Nordiques if not for Healy relieving him and winning a couple of game. He got lit up like a christmas tree vs the Flyers in 95. He was great in 94 and 97 but otherwise he was inconsistant in the playoffs and had some inconsistant regular season outside of 92, 94 and 97.

  170. Alamo I dunno have him and greg go on a double date with the bobsey twins? Or have Dr. House uhh wear him out?

  171. ROFL, hilarious graves9….you the highlight of the blog…if you leave, I will not post for 1 week…then ill come back for one week and leave again

  172. alamo – he is getting way too preachy about his own personal views on BB. on a real anti drury kick since the game right before christmas. i guess a lot here would agree with him but i sure don’t. sorry but just like drury i didn’t let that loss ruin my christmas either.

    also sold cherepanov down the river a month or 2 before he died.

  173. Graves I think Brandon started watching in ’94 and stopped watching in 97 lol. Richter had some great moments but alot of ugly ones too.

  174. the hyena is telling them not to play hard…fire the hyena…bench lundqvist, hire tortorella, trade staal, trade dubinsky…get zach parise for dawes and prucha

  175. Li Joe,

    I dont think much of Dubi’s writing skills either. Quite mundane. He needs a headline writer too. Im not available…busy writing about financial world and trying to trade this muck of a market. :)

  176. You do have to admit. Rangers rarely had a goalie recently who can stick handle like ‘Fatso’ or DeePee…. Richter was awful handling the puck.

  177. Mako,

    Fatso’s stickhandling ability made it impossible to dump and chase on the Devs….changed the rules he did

  178. Sergeantfrenchy on

    in responce to the early commensts about RIchter, Brodeur, clearly Brodeur has the more impressive career. More cups, better stats, ect. Id rank Richter with Cujo and Belfour. However, what needs to be said is how small Richter ans RIchter;s equiptment were in comparison, he was the best ATHLETE among them, merely because of the fact that he covered about 20% less of the net than any of the aforementioned goaltenders

  179. Alamano in honor or your greatness I’m gonna stop posting for about 5 minutes or so. Once I’m done with my where is waldo book I’ll be back.

  180. see bob’s comment in newsday blog. wants to do what the cups did to the one guy – to renney

  181. Thanks Alamo. Since I’m already pimping Dr. House out I could get her to go shopping at Victoria Secret with you.

  182. Guy Hebert was really guy at handling the puck bring him back and put him in the game whenever the puck is behind the net, once it’s time to stop the puck put Hank in there.

  183. Married with Children they just don’t make showS like that anymore instead we get dreck like Gossip girls. That’s it I’m off to the fox studios I wasnt Herman’s Head back on TV!

  184. Wow the Sabres wearing their terrific throwback uni’s they’ve got this game in the bag.

  185. graves i jusr remember when al was carpooling and was going to with victoria’s secret models. he did not know they were from victoria’s big secret (ie big girls)

  186. Anyone held the Msgulag guy spinning some stats to make Kalinin look good? Next up they’ll show stats that proves Paris Hilton is a virgin.

  187. Anyone who thinks Vally is so much better than Hank at handling puck didnt watch this first ten minutes..LOL

    Adventures in stick handling!

  188. Chris the Rangers pp will be feeding starving children after the game get off their back.

  189. At this point a succesfull PP is one where they dont give up a shortie…

    Joe and Sam agree with each other that Vally has been sharp with his stick this period…LMAO!!

  190. Can anyone go thru the center of the offense zone ice on this team??
    All long angled shots

  191. Kaspar this is for the past 4 years outside shots go in once every 1000 times… Hasnt changed with all these players its Tom Clueless and his sidekicks

  192. could be a good interview with one of the assts. good period we’re happy with it said as it’s 0-0

    MARA

  193. If the rangers resign mara i might pick up his jersey… I know im getting a Staal jersey sometime this year

  194. this team actually looked reasonably well-coached that period. Let this be a sign of things to come

  195. Prucha not the best player on the ice for the first time in the past few games.

    Bench him!!!

    (just kidding)

  196. chris i wonder if staal will ever wear 14 his number in jrs. once they know for sure re shanny. just a word to the wise

  197. HockeymanRangers on

    wd40 said
    this team actually looked reasonably well-coached that period. Let this be a sign of things to come.

    Your right wd, I’m just waiting for the breakdown.lets hope not

  198. Sjostrom did something good on the offensive end. He’ll get his next point next November.

  199. CCCP

    Actually, my dad tried to force me to get into hockey since i was born, but i hated it, then i started getting into it before the lockout.

    GRAVES

    Looooool, i thought you weren’t reading my posts ?? I guess you’re an attention whore. Get some friends, if anyone doesn’t know that YOU are jason, then id be surprised. Old man river, maybe you should take a leap off your roof, maybe the end result would be a little better than a broken hip.

    And i knew Hasek won a Cup with the Wings you fuggin loser. I was a big Wings fan. But the moron that you are, i said BEFORE he retired, kind of the same way i said it sucked that Jags, and Shanny didn’t win a Cup BEFORE they retired.

    Get a life, make some friends, before you get to old. BTW, here’s a friendly comment for you, don’t watch that new Brad Pitt movie, “The Curious Case Of Benjamin Button”, cause you might get your hopes up, lol douche.

    Anyway, boring first period, nice to see them come out with the lead. But i wont get excited aboot this game. Why should anyone be, they blow 4 goal leads at home. Pretty pathetic.

  200. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    Alright Almo , wanna bet!!?? Rangers win , you outts here for a week, Ranger lose ,,,im outts here. You can take graves9 with ya.

  201. “concentrate defensively” these two tools buy into the BS too. How about a spark of offense ? Some forechecking….

  202. These idiots just complimented Vally giving the puck away?
    “he made a good play putting into the corner” even tho a Sabre was there?

    I watched a couple of national broadcasts lately and it was very refreshing not to hear Sam or Joe

    I’d put the Sabres station on but those morons are even worse beleive it or not..they have heart attacks on every shot

  203. wtf is going on? is Sam and Joe are secret Connoly admirers? every second they talk about the guy…Connoly this and Connoly that… GET OUTTA HIS ASS AND CALL THE GAME BETTER!

  204. IMO I would REALLY like to see Prucha on the top line. I think Drury & Dawes are slowing him down a little….

  205. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    These DAM buffalo annoucers are just plane awful…Thay guy who scream all the time an’t call the player right and never corrects himself . His side kick Harry neale is as lame as it get but at least hes smart but both should just retire!!

  206. Greg L. I’ve got a 5 dollar bet with alamo that your next post will be incoherent. You wanna jump in on that one?

  207. ORR !! What Is It Good FOR ??
    January 9th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
    CCCP

    Actually, my dad tried to force me to get into hockey since i was born, but i hated it, then i started getting into it before the lockout.

    GRAVES

    Looooool, i thought you weren’t reading my posts ?? I guess you’re an attention whore. Get some friends, if anyone doesn’t know that YOU are jason, then id be surprised. Old man river, maybe you should take a leap off your roof, maybe the end result would be a little better than a broken hip.

    And i knew Hasek won a Cup with the Wings you fuggin loser. I was a big Wings fan. But the moron that you are, i said BEFORE he retired, kind of the same way i said it sucked that Jags, and Shanny didn’t win a Cup BEFORE they retired.

    Get a life, make some friends, before you get to old. BTW, here’s a friendly comment for you, don’t watch that new Brad Pitt movie, “The Curious Case Of Benjamin Button”, cause you might get your hopes up, lol douche.

    Anyway, boring first period, nice to see them come out with the lead. But i wont get excited aboot this game. Why should anyone be, they blow 4 goal leads at home. Pretty pathetic.
    Thanks for the laugh Orr. I missed your incoherent ramblings. oh yeah take a gun put it in your mouth a pull the trigger. Again you’re a load that your slut mother should have swallowed. Don’t respond to my post or you’ll get banned again.

  208. Buffalo has absolutely nothing tonight — the NYR cannot give a point away tonight, much less two.

  209. Figures. When you don’t have finishers no matter how much you dominate you have little wiggle room. Oh yeah Dawes is an idiot.

  210. Typical Tom Clueless game Rangers outshooting Buffolo 24-7 score 1-1 If I see Nomez,Naslund and Callahan start the next powerplay I`m goona punch Renny in the face

  211. I was really hoping to see them dominate this game… but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    That would be asking too much.

    Once one goal goes in, this team plays scared and befuddled.

    No way they win this one now. Their sphincters are tightening.

  212. Typical ranger game

    1 bone-head cross ice pass cancels out 27 long range shots
    each yeilds one goal

    Sam and Joe must get bonus money on shots on golas..its all they ever mention

    “rangers had 3 shots on each power play!!”

  213. greg L.,

    Im a ranger fan…i aint rooting against ’em…i take rangers…u take the bills

  214. this team needs more shots from the slot, the goalie cant cover the whole net straight on but from an angle he can….

    Tom Clueless probably has a hard on hes getting his low scoring game.

    Also realize what 1 power play goal would be doing for us now

  215. ….and the campaign to make you think Ryan Miller is playing brilliantly is on…”he’s the difference Sam!”

    I cant beleive I’d rather watch a game with Mike Dingleberry commenting

  216. Greg L if the Rangers lose this game you and Orr need to get in a car and pull a Thelma and Louise.

  217. wo some3 real brilliance on the site.

    tom blamind Drury(ie -1) on the goal.. shrewd, moron..Dawes a braindead move.

    then we have the other scholars who are critiquing 27 shots after 2 periods.. Yeah they have all been floaters from center ice, please clowns..

    The rangers have played well and are tied 1 to 1 because Dawes did not use his brain and they have limited finishers.

    Squak nonsense all you want that is the bottom line, they have a bunch of 20 to 25 goal scorers no Studs…

  218. I dont get it. Why was the Gomez line on the entire PP? They had a chance to change and didnt…

  219. Big test for Renney. If he plays for OT, we lose. If the Rangers are freed to play the same first 15 minutes of the 2nd in the first 15 minutes of the 3rd, they’ll win in reg.

  220. CCCP

    Lool, they’re treating him like he’s a retard, or a baby, everything he does is golden to them.

    GRAVES

    Awww, poor old man, did i hurt your feelings ?? Loool, im sorry, for an old guy you can get a little to emotional. I know your jealous cause im 18, but im no suicidal weirdo, so ill be around for a long time, but you, well, you don’t have that long to live. Have someone call me when you bite the dust, id love to draw “I love Isles” on your grave. Loool.

    Anyway, there Dawes goes again with that idiotic pass, of course Renney wont tell him not to do it, i mean, he did it before and it led to an OV goal, and he didn’t do shit aboot it. I love how those two morons Sam, and Joe are going nuts aboot the defensive play, then BOOM, their words are turned to shit.

    This is the kind of game the Ranger seem to lose. They get your hopes up, then they shatter you.

    GREG

    No sense in making a bet with old man Graves9, cause if you lose he’ll think it was only for Graves9, and not to his 5 other names that he uses to pretend he has friends. Poor guy. Speaking of bets, who was the other guy that did that bet ??

  221. Bring Back Jagr on

    Bring back Jagr. Put him on the 2nd line with Dubi and Prucha. I dont think there is anyone out there who can convince me that Nasland is better than Jagr.

    i hate sather.

  222. WTF dont they wipe off or clean Fischlers suit off before he goes on air? What is that dandruff?

  223. wd40 Tomclueless play for a win in regulation, you have a better chance buying a lotto ticket

  224. “maybe Dolan could bring back JD as GM and announcer kill 2 terds with one paycheck”

    My personal favorite line of the night

  225. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    (Graves9) Said to ORR :” Thanks for the laugh Orr. I missed your incoherent ramblings.” SAID TO ME : ”
    Greg L. I’ve got a 5 dollar bet with alamo that your next post will be incoherent.”

    SO incoherent is the word you learnt today?? Your quite the goof , ( Almo ) i respect that non-bet , good answer!!!

  226. bb jagr – except jagr wanted at least 3 yrs at $ 8 mm or more. naslund is making $ 4 mm each for 2 yrs. apples and oranges

  227. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ….says Greg L.
    January 9th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
    (Graves9) Said to ORR :” Thanks for the laugh Orr. I missed your incoherent ramblings.” SAID TO ME : ”
    Greg L. I’ve got a 5 dollar bet with alamo that your next post will be incoherent.”

    SO incoherent is the word you learnt today?? Your quite the goof , ( Almo ) i respect that non-bet , good answer!!!
    It is you’re not your Greg.

  228. Orr I’ve warned you before another post like that and your gone wishing death or threatening posts or personal shots are grounds for banning last warning ditto to you Greg and Graves enough with the nonesense.

  229. I dont like seeing any player hurt. Well…. Crosby I’ll make an exception for. But anyway, a part of me wishes it was Kalinin…

  230. Didn’t know LI Joe was privy to Jagr’s contract negotiations. Why would anyone believe what Sather said about Jagr? Of course Jagr wanted to be compensated for saving Sather’s job and making the team respectable. And frankly, he’s the only one on this team who would have deserved to be paid well. But Sather preferred to tie the team down for the next 6 years by overpaying Redden, Drury and Gomez instead of paying Jagr and Nylander who actually deserved to be paid.

  231. !! What Is It Good FOR ??
    January 9th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
    CCCP

    Lool, they’re treating him like he’s a retard, or a baby, everything he does is golden to them.

    GRAVES

    Awww, poor old man, did i hurt your feelings ?? Loool, im sorry, for an old guy you can get a little to emotional. I know your jealous cause im 18, but im no suicidal weirdo, so ill be around for a long time, but you, well, you don’t have that long to live. Have someone call me when you bite the dust, id love to draw “I love Isles” on your grave. Loool.

    Anyway, there Dawes goes again with that idiotic pass, of course Renney wont tell him not to do it, i mean, he did it before and it led to an OV goal, and he didn’t do shit aboot it. I love how those two morons Sam, and Joe are going nuts aboot the defensive play, then BOOM, their words are turned to shit.

    This is the kind of game the Ranger seem to lose. They get your hopes up, then they shatter you.

    GREG

    No sense in making a bet with old man Graves9, cause if you lose he’ll think it was only for Graves9, and not to his 5 other names that he uses to pretend he has friends. Poor guy. Speaking of bets, who was the other guy that did that bet ??

    Even for you that was a retarded. Yeah I’m jealous of a 12 year old that eats dirt and has sex with his own father. I’m sure watching Hockey isn’t the only thing he made you do. Btw you can’t figure out how long two weeks is my God are you stupid. Oh yeah when you die(choking on your father cock I’m sure) I’ll take a giant dump on your grave.

  232. Last 10 min, I would move Prucha & Zherdev on Gomers wing. Rotate 1st & 4th ever other shift. Unbelievable… Gomez cant score 5 feet out….

  233. kc – jagr was very clear he wanted to be highest paid. that translates to around $ 8mm. most likely 3 yrs since he then wants to play for his father. if he wanted to play here this yr all he needs was 82 pts i think which for him was very achievable.

  234. finally get an odd man rush what do they do?

    wait for the dee to catch up

    offense anyone???

  235. Li Joe
    Yeah about Jags..and like I said earlier I want him to pay me back a portion of my NHL package from last year for not playing until April..Im gonna tell him that to his face when I see him at red square

  236. Anyone know whether the KGB will be at this Russian all-star game? I had some issues with them in Petrograd as a kid..still a little leary

  237. Greg,

    If Dawes scores winning goal, i leave for 3 days….if prucha scores u leave for 3

    if gomez scores u leave for week, if drury scores i leave for a week

  238. HockeymanRangers on

    What the hell is up with Redden’s fag shot. Every time he shoots it has NOTHING on it??? Redden better give up his 3/4 of his paycheck he hasn’t earned much of it at all if any. He sucks

  239. hartford’s game was in springfield tonight. tomorrow in bridgeport. so if he;s being called up i would think potter would not get on bus to bridgeport.

  240. Just glad I dont pay $75 a game to watch this boring a** team…three offensive chances a night

    tomorrow should be a real snorer against the powerfull Sens…maybe watch Peewee’s Big Adventure…

    again

  241. finally get a chance and Dubi whiffs like Dave Kingman

    hopefully that lame youngstar game will wake up his scoring stick

    Peewee

  242. Tom gets his point!!!
    He is still way over .500!!!
    and….

    we outshot them too!! Sam and Joe are hooking pinkies!!

    Really…imagine paying top dollar to go to a game like this??

  243. HockeymanRangers on

    NYRanger4Life

    39 shots…1 goal. Wow. If Redden shoots like a girl, what does Gomez shoot like?

    Like a little girl.

  244. Zherdev, i love the little bugger, but he needs to watch film of the tireless effort that is AO

  245. well kaspar there is a football game tomorrow night if the game is too boring . on msg + by the way

  246. Renny is gonna go to his room tonight and spank the monkey ” ouuuu another shootout ouuu ahhhh “

  247. “Its the third period and its tied everyone wake up!!”

    “Its OT everyone wake up!!”

    “its a shootout everyone wake up!!”

    I tried everything but still they slept and then…..I let out a Labatts burp

  248. Whatever.

    Cue the SOT about how they played a good game and can take some positives from it.

    Fine.

    They played well. Time to start winning playing well.

  249. This team has no captain. At least JAgr could SCORE. This team lacks a pure scorer. F’en embarrassing to watch this team blow this game tonight. I caught myself numerous times , “what if jagr, what if Avery” I used to give Sather the benefit of the doubt. But gomez is brutal, drury is brutal, redden is brutal….They wont be good unless they are surrounded by better players…and they are not.

  250. 43 shots 1 goal- renny hockey????? more like nooooo fuckin goal scorers on this crap team. im drunk n pissed. why does every good player that comes here suck????? drury n z and naz all dfid the same move AND DIDNT EVEN MAKE MILLER MAKE A SAVE

  251. So I had the game while doing other stuff, but I did notice many of our shots being soft wrist shots that Miller gloved with ease (there most have been about 10 of them). What is with Gomez, this game really emphasized that he has no shot and his passing skills are way overrated.

    Thanks Renney with the brilliant choice of Drury over Dawes and Sjo. (At least he didnt take a slapper)

  252. Yeah Renney couldnt let down his $7mm captain against his former team. Thought he could be the hero

  253. kris – jagr was only good when he tried. he refused shootouts also. let’s not make him out to be God.

    this team is what it is somewhere between 6th and 10th in the east

  254. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    Yo Mako , im off for now…next game we will have to…kinda late on this one. Sam im sorry for calling names like ” goof” , that is a personal attack . He did attack me foist but thats ok ….im all good with the warning.

    BOOOOOOOO no hank in the shootout!!!!

  255. sam and joe are way too much homers. still better i guess than listening to the yahoo buff announcer

  256. Looks like Renney’s famous “hunch” rapes him, like Graves9 does to the young ones. Ugh, horrible night.

    That was extremely pathetic, which has been the teams case these days. Why cant these morons hit the fuggin net, its a god damn shootout, how can you miss ??

    Fuggin waste of a night, Vally plays another good game, but his teammates screw him over.

    We get closer, and closer to 9th place.

    I hope Slats can at least trade Drury. Gotta unload one of those contracts. Maybe he’ll wanna go to San Jose, if they can make room to bring him in, or if they even want him.

    Im with MikeA, im done with this team. I cant take them serious until they dump this idiot of a coach, and get rid of some of the players that clearly don’t give a flying fugg aboot winning.

  257. KRIS- U ARE RIGHT. GET SOME DAMN TALENT ON THIS TEAM AND NO ZHERDEV IS NOT OUR SNIPER. PLEASE JAGR WERE SORRY PLEASE COME BACK. hey mako, if i see tom renny with his faggoty intellectual bullshit one more time im gonna go down to ny and start takin hostages. 43 shots and the only goal from a weak wrister from mara. please GOD GIVE ME A NEW TEAM

  258. perhaps Jagr only tried when he wanted, which granted is selfish on his part, but it cannot be denied the last 15 games and the playoffs he was dominant. The thing about this team, we dont even have a player that could turn it on and dominate like that in the playoffs. We dont even have a true first line player on our team.

    I guess I’d rather have someone who “may” take it a little easy the first half of the season like Jagr and then turn it on when it matters (like the playoffs). PLus, you could argue that 90 percent of the Rangers have taken the first half of this season off.

  259. They played well and competed hard but this teams inability to finish continues to hurt them. The Defense collectively was very solid in it’s own end. The thing is when you are that bad of an offensive team one little mistake like Dawes made kills you. I though they got a better game out of Zherdev and Dubinsky as welll as Gomez. Staal coming off his worst game was back to his old self. Gomez had some good chances but he’s never been a finisher. The 4th line not only created the first goal but created the best chances. When Colton Orr has a better offensive game than guy like Drury and Naslund you’re in trouble. I like the game Redden played today good with the puck and joined the offense. It is a damn shame and is scary that this team dominated the Sabres for the first 35 minutes and all they had was a one goal lead and only came out of this game with a point. The 10-2 start to the season is becoming a distant memory. Valiquette had some issues with rebounds but the D did a good job of clearing those rebounds and imo he was very good in the third. Miller was pretty good but imo he wasn’t standing on his head like the gulag network suggests. Nobody goes to the net. Dawes besides for his turnover didn’t have as much jump as he has lately. Prucha was fine but quieter than he was the last 3-4 games. This team badly needs offense get Anismov up nd call Atlanta and see if they’re willing to trade Kovalchuk for a package built around Zherdev.

  260. Oh yeah very quiet game for Cally and did Korpikoski even play today. His close Sjostrom was much better than him.

  261. My Blue jackets whipped Ovechkin and the caps tonite!!

    Ken Hitchcocks 13 chins were wigglin happy!!

  262. Mike in IA

    Well you know that is what is gonna happen. I always wanted Jagr to stay & was pissed when Nylander wasnt resigned. They are BORRRRING. Not threatening in the least. They have their “moments” like when they played Detriot & SJ. But, Im tired of constantly getting let down. I mean why cant this entire team get motivated?!?!?

    Im also sick of hearing “this is the most complete game we have played….” BS because if it was, there would be another win on their record.

  263. ORR !! What Is It Good FOR ??
    January 9th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
    Looks like Renney’s famous “hunch” rapes him, like Graves9 does to the young ones. Ugh, horrible night.

    Goodbye Orr you try and post again and your computer will be disabilied disgusting post. I gasve you 25 chances your gone.

  264. Kaspars preseason predictions:

    Coyote 7th pl ( if they dont go bankrupt first0
    Jackets 8th pl ( and Tyuten is the man!)

  265. ORR !! What Is It Good FOR ??
    January 9th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
    Looks like Renney’s famous “hunch” rapes him, like Graves9 does to the young ones. Ugh, horrible night.

    Wow wow even for you that is disgusting enjoy burning in hell you classless lowlife. You deserve to get hit by a bus.

  266. jcl -jagr was a beast in the playoffs and down the stretch. talent wise he is a beast. unfortuantely he did not meet the 82 pts needed to bring him back. not sure 3 yrs and $ 8 mm more was what we needed. we clearly have to let some contracts expire and stop bringing in outsiders for next several yrs at least.

  267. HEY ORR, IM WATCHIN 2MOROWS GAME AND IF THEY DONT WHIP OTTAWAS ASS IM DONE FOR REAL. I’LL CHECK THE STANDINGS BUT THIS SHIT AINT GOOD FOR MY BLOOD PRESSURE. sorry for the caps for all the people who are very sensitive to big letters. freakin vally has an awesome ghame again and they reward him by sucking bigtime. how bout captain clutch scoring 6 seconds left in game 6 against us, but cant score on a breakaway. not just him but gomez. he couldve gave us the lead with that breakaway. what can i say, uhhhhhh ya know we tried hard and uhh yea nice outfit mr reporter. uhhhhh yea nice game there mr blowmez!

  268. This is my first post enjoy reading the blog and many of your posts but when someone makes posts like orr does is horrible. Seriously accusing someone of being a pedaphile is deplorable I can’t imagine how someone like that can be allowed to post on any board.

  269. OMG!!! “this is what happens when you play within the system” Brainwashed!
    “Its what i’ve been preaching all along” – You schmuck, when they DONT play your system they win!

  270. unfortuantely i don’t think that is sam with the grammar. he would more likely address it in his thread itself

  271. Graves –

    No I know. But Sam warned you too. Dont wanna see ya booted after saying something in retaliation… ya know…

  272. LI Joe-

    I completely agree. I dont think a 3 year deal would have been in the best interest of the Rangers. Who knows what the discussions were between Jagr and Sather. I wish they could have agreed to taking it one year at a time. Kind of like Selanne and Sakic do it. He definitely could have been useful this year, and the money probably would have been better spent than on Redden, Voro etc.

  273. Thanks Mako. Yeah well you know think about how much better this board was when he was gone for two weeks(although he kept coming back cause he couldn’t tell what two weeks were)

  274. jcl – agree jj for 1 yr would have been much better. the redden contract is a huge mistake.

  275. Ok answer me this. Why the hell was this team build the way it was if they deemed them team a “low scoring team”.

    ACK Drury!

  276. onecupin67years on

    talk about trades, do you seriously think that the NHL GMs are eager to make a deal for over paid NY’s garbage? they want the young under paid kids, and most of you guys couldn’t wait to jagr go ,he’s old, over paid , does nothing, etc

  277. Shocking to see Rozsival being no worse for wear there. I recall back in ’97 when Bryant Marchment got hit and the door opened and he slammed his head and ended up being carried off on a stretcher.

  278. Greg,
    If Dawes scores winning goal, i leave for 3 days….if prucha scores u leave for 3
    if gomez scores u leave for week, if drury scores i leave for a week

    These bets are all funny as hell because everyone making them knows damn well nobody is scoring.

  279. Someone should ask Sather what exactly he was thinking when he thought it was a good idea to build a team around players like Gomez and Drury? Oh wait, that’s right, the guy has been MIA for a year.

  280. onecupin67years on

    This team the way its built and coached won’t change for the better after 1/2 a season, its set in stone ,unless there is a dramatic change , like a coach or trading some youth dawes ,cally ,dubi, prucha ,farm hands and or draft choices for another over paid player who may help, but the cap works against the rangers making a big move.
    Dumping renney will only work short term, then the team will resort to the way its built.

  281. over paid does nothing huh? yea like our young guys doobs n korpi, and zherdev are really lightin up the scoresheet right? jagr even if he wasnt scoring was controlling the play and opening up room for yea u guessed it, dubinsky to get some goals. nobody on this team is capable of carrying a team of spuds like this one the way jagr did. i hate to say it, but this team doesnt have the players to make a push for playoffs like vthe last 2 years. when your 4th line is the best line in a game, ur screwed. this team will barely make the playoffs and if the same overpaid guys are still here by then, expect a quick exit

  282. I don’t like Renny — but the effort tonight was fine, and the play without the puck was much better. Did not like his shootout lineup (because Z hates to go first! and Naslund had a poor game! and Drury in the 3 slot is ridiculous). But you can’t lay this particular loss at Renny’s feet the way you can on so many other nights when the lack of preparation, motivation, effort and position is so clear

  283. onecup- ur absolutely right about the way the teams built. and the cap is hurting any movesd that could help the team. i just want to see gomez gone. i dont know he just pisses me off and hes a goof. if anybody gets traded i hope its him

  284. Leetchhalloffame on

    This team is positively awful. They will not make the playoffs as presently constructed. Sather better come out of hibernation soon.

  285. Sather is about as expert as a palsy victim doing brain surgery with a pipe wrench in building a competitive team.

  286. wd- yea renny isnt to fault, these guys just cant score and that sucks. i mean our backup gave up 1 goal and was great, but our top lines need to score. the 4th line was great and so was our d except giradi, but yea no goals from top 3 lines is pathetic. we played good but not good enough. if theres 1 positive from this its not the 1 point but the fact that we lost a game in a shootout. it seems as though the team feels as long as they keep it tiesd and get to a shootout, they will win. maybe now they realize that they have to score more than the othetr team to win. amazing concept right

  287. Alamo, graves9 & all the bobs on

    At least some good came out of the loss…. We got rid of the vulgarity of Orr…. I have no tolerance for foul language… Buh bye!

  288. onecupin67years on

    I blame Sather for piecing together a team of 3rd and 4th line players, each player IS interchangeable regardless where you play them, the results are always the same.
    I blame Renney ,because this team can play better but won’t , not can’t , but they won’t.

    And I blame these players who have it great in NY and just seem to coast because they don’t have to play for a Contract.
    And I blame Dolan because he’s a jerk off schmuck no nothing about hockey basketball and puts up with this shit.

  289. renney isn’t going to be fired so someone is going to have to wake glen sather from his cryogenic freezing chamber.

    he’s hibernating.

  290. Fwiw… Graves9 is a wonderful blogger…intuitive, original and funny…. Didn’t understnd why Orr was not cordial to graves9…. I also like the way graves9 just deflects them like gnat.

  291. Alamo you’re a regular Don Rickles If I may say so myself. We need a Dane Cook type here, you know someone that isn’t funny but for some reason keeps getting jobs for some reason. Orr was the Paulie Shore of the board nobody liked him no one wanted to see him but he wouldn’t go away.

  292. GRAVES

    Lol, quit pretending to be Sam, Greg, and that other “Isles Sucks” guy, you got something to say, just use your real name, you’re looking more and more pathetic.

    Last time me, and bob (Robby Bonfire at the time) had an arguement, Sammy boy was nice enough to send me an email. So you’re not fooling anyone you loser.

    MIKE IN IA

    Very true. I wasn’t happy with the year Jags has, but he was better than Gomer, and Dru, and showed up for the playoffs, unlike those greedy pricks. Jags is more of a leader, and i really didn’t think id want him back on the team as much as i do right now. Dru sucks, and is overrated, and i gotta give credit to True Fans, or who ever said last season that he’s overrated, and he’ll prove he’s a waste. That guy was damn right, Dru flat out sucks, and is doing nothing for this team, his offensive game sucks, his defensive game isn’t what anyone thinks it is, and he hasn’t been “Clutch” at all, besides in the shootout, but who gives a fugg aboot the stupid shootout, show up when we fuggin need you !!

    Gomer, well, he’s showing me nothing, he hasn’t done a good thing all year.

    I really cant stand this team, besides the kids of course. Pruchs is showing more heart than the “leaders”, and he’s not making anything close to the amount they’re making, and Renney wont even consider scratching them.

    This whole organization makes me sick. Dolan with his love for rapists, Slats with his love of overpaying, and Renney with his love for Vets, and hatred for kids.

    If they’re gonna tank, it would be nice if they just get destroyed every night, then at least we can get Tavares, or Hedman.

  293. Maybe some night the team will go all out with the forecheck. Tonight was a great opportunity to prove what it could do, but again they held back, keeping something in reserve, though I doubt anyone, if asked, could provide a plausible answer as to why they would keep anything in reserve, and for what reason. They could have just gone commanche on the Sabres in the sabres zone. But they did not, once again. They held back.

  294. “Orr was the Paulie Shore of the board nobody liked him no one wanted to see him but he wouldn’t go away”

    I bet you tell your family aboot me. Waah, there’s this guy named ORR on this Ranger blog, and he makes fun of me, waaah. Loool, either your 60-70, or 9-12 in age. Must be a sad lonely life, i think i seen someone like that on an episode of Intervention, would that be you ? And don’t say he’s a friend if you don’t actually know him, like you do with people on this blog, lol.

  295. Gomez played well tonight. many opptys.

    Do all you delinquents just like to bith and moan to other know it alls???

    They had 40 + shots and multi legit opptys..

    What one of your experts thought this team had high end top nothc goal scorers???

    THey have 1 guy on the team who has ever scored 40 goals in a year, and he did that about 4 yrs. ago.. They have some talented young players who also never scored 40 in the minors so this is what you have.. A team that will struggle to score that has to play defensive hockey to win..

    You want the Giants to pay like the AZ Cardinals??? AIn’t happening so stop the damn whining….

  296. ORR..What Is It Good FOR ??
    January 10th, 2009 at 12:04 am
    “Orr was the Paulie Shore of the board nobody liked him no one wanted to see him but he wouldn’t go away”

    I bet you tell your family aboot me. Waah, there’s this guy named ORR on this Ranger blog, and he makes fun of me, waaah. Loool, either your 60-70, or 9-12 in age. Must be a sad lonely life, i think i seen someone like that on an episode of Intervention, would that be you ? And don’t say he’s a friend if you don’t actually know him, like you do with people on this blog, lol.

    Orr are you fucking retarded? Wait don’t answer that I’m tired of you and your pathetic look at me attention whore bullshit. I think it’s funny that I make you look like a bitch and destroy you and all you can come back is you’re old lmao you’re old ouch that hurt. Go ride the short bus and lick windows like you usually do. Oh yeah btw just checked ip addresses guess whgat you and your imaginary buddy Greg are the same fricken person how pathetic.

  297. Bure is a hitman for the Russian mob bob. Why you wanna make a call and get him to take out the hyena?

  298. Nah, I’d just like to see someone scoring on a regular basis for a change. Bure on one leg is a better scorer than some of these pretenders we have playing for us right now. 43 shots! ONE goal. They made this goalie on Buffalo look like Bernie Parent.

  299. mikey mcdick section 312 on

    anyone read the recent news about jagr? hes signed to the khl through 09-10 but if he were to come back to the nhl he would want to play for mario… AND for the minimum offer 350,000 because he says that he owes his whole hockey life to mario. and he tried to stiff us for 3 years 8 million… shows how much he liked playing for us…

  300. Lol. I’d take him back in a heartbeat. What a pain in the … that guy was to the opposing team.

  301. reginald dunlop on

    another game of NOT going to the net……halak put puck in front of net all night the other night and no one to bang the puck in….watch how other teams capitalize when hanky kicks the puck in front with the gift rebounds….where’s marcel hossa when you need him…..tim kerr would have 30 goals already…….ha ha……our d shoots like someone will tip it…..but with no one in front goalie gets a clear view and makes an easy save…..this is the NHL….

  302. This team is a bunch of 3rd liners. Non of our top offensive players have been worth a shiat in the last month. Naslund is old. Drury/Gomez are a joke. Zherdev is INVISIBLE (just like his rep @ CBJ). Our defense is a joke.

    This team has NO F’N PRAYER.

    I say we crash for Tavares or Hedman.

  303. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    This Graves9 guy is a joke!!! Yo Graves , you lied about the IP adress ” Oh yeah btw just checked ip addresses guess whgat you and your imaginary buddy Greg are the same fricken person how pathetic.”

    Only thing pathetic is you , Orr is American and Im Canadian, you just can’t see that?

    Grave9 is a joke. I think he was being Sam!!

  304. The team was getting higher quality chances when Callahan was playing with Dawes and Drury. Cally could forecheck better then.

    Anybody else notice he’s not getting in nearly as much on the line with Gomez and Naslund?

    And, Gomez is taking lame ass shots from nowhere….it’s insane. nobody on this team has developed any chemistry with him in 130 games. WTF?

    Maybe Renney needs to commit 2 wingers to him for 20 games or so….

  305. oh, and Drury in the shootout is another reason to FIRE RENNEY NOW

    you’ve got Sjostrom who’s been a shootout stud all year, and Dawes and even Prucha who’ve filled that role in the past. Stop sucking drury off and play to win.

    Notice, Until the shootout, the fans there didn’t even bother to boo drury. Normally you’d think a team captain bolts for a $35M contract, and they’d be booing him out of the arena for years to come (at least, that’s what the NHL has come to…see Jagr in Pittsburgh and DC).

    But, not Captain Dreary, why bother?

  306. whataretheodds on

    Hey, Prucha didn’t register a point last night, does this mean Tom “The Human Douche Nozzle” Renney is going to exile him back to the press box?

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