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No changes against Habs

January
7

If you expected there to be a different lineup two nights after one of the Rangers’ most complete games of the year, you haven’t been paying attention.

So that means Lauri Korpikoski and Dan Fritsche will be scratches, and Aaron Voros will skate on a line with Brandon Dubinsky and Nikolai Zherdev. Despite the Rangers’ success on Monday, that line was quiet, so stay tuned to see if it fares any better tonight.

In other news:

  • Don’t forget, 7:30 start tonight.

  • The rest of the All-Star game participants will be named at 11:30 tomorrow. The Rangers will most likely have only one representative, and it’s almost certain to be Henrik Lundqvist, who despite being a three-time Vezina Trophy finalist, has never played in an All-Star game.

    But that doesn’t mean Lundqvist would be the lone Ranger headed to Montreal. The rosters for the YoungStars Game will be announced on Friday, and I would have to think Marc Staal is a lock to represent the sophomores.

    Staal and Brandon Dubinsky (who was the game’s MVP with two goals) played for the Eastern Conference last season in Atlanta, and the defenseman said it was a valuable experience just being around the All-Stars.

    “I remember testing (Zdeno) Chara’s stick and trying to flex it and it almost broke my wrists,” Staal said. “That was pretty cool. It was kind of eye-opening to see all those great players in the same room.”

    Of course, Staal isn’t far off from making it to main game himself. He has clearly been the Rangers’ best defenseman this season, and is already in the upper tier for his position in the league. What doesn’t help at this stage in his career he is still a stay-at-home player, although most people agree his offensive game will continue to emerge in the years to come.

    “I think for an All-Star Game in the past, it’s usually guys who have great offensive games. There are occasionally guys who don’t have great numbers, but you just don’t stand out as much.I think now more than ever people recognize the value of stay-at-home defensemen.”

    If the Rangers do get a second representative in the YoungStars game, it could be Ryan Callahan, who is still technically a second-year player.

  • This entry was posted on Wednesday, January 7th, 2009 at 11:47 am by Sam Weinman.
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    113 Responses to “No changes against Habs”

    1. Jeever

      wow we’re almost playing against the entire all-star game starting line-up. how underwhelming.

    2. Jeever

      staal – ask and you shall receive.

    3. Beer Me!

      Staal: “Come on Sam time for a new post…please!”
      Lohan: “Staal…why? so you can read about a meaningless lineup change?”

      Weinman: “If you expected there to be a different lineup two nights after one of the Rangers’ most complete games of the year, you haven’t been paying attention.”

      lol

    4. Jeever

      You know, I noticed something… There hasn’t been news, or the expectation of news ever since the whole Sundin thing went down. I’m kinda surprised there’s not even any speculation anymore. Weren’t people saying once Sundin signs, it’ll start a domino effect?

    5. beth

      I hope tonight doesn’t go to OT.. I’ll be at the Garden tonight and it seems every damn time I’m there we go to OT.

    6. Jeever

      I’ll take OT if it means a win. I guess I just won’t sleep tonight.

    7. Who Needs Lohan

      Yeah BeerMe, that made me laugh as well…

      Jeever…if you haven’t read my posts before, they are filled with sarcasm. It was a chance to add humor so I took it. I guess I failed miserably!!!

    8. Beer Me!

      good point jeevs.

      lohan…unbelievable timing

    9. Beer Me!

      http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Checking-the-temperature-of-the-NHL-coaches-hot?urn=nhl,132551&cp=1#comments

    10. Phalanx (Chris in MA)

      Im already sick of hearing about the stupid all-star game. How on earth can the starting lineup (for both conferences) consist of 4 teams total? Thats absurd.

      Furthermore… of those 4 teams, not a single one is at the top of their conference… nor their division.

      I’ll probably watch the youngstars and the skills comp and skip the ‘main event’. The AS game is a joke.

    11. Staal Wart

      Thanks Sam…
      I just like fresh posts…less crap to scroll thru.

    12. Beer Me!

      http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/michael_farber/01/07/coaches.hotseat/index.html

    13. Jeever

      haha my highlight of watching last year’s AS Game was when each player announced themselves, Kovie said “Ilya Kovalchuk – Atlanta Trashers”. I love that silly man’s accent.

    14. Staal Wart

      Beer,
      after reading that article
      most posters on this blog are crying…

    15. nyc 18

      why the 7:30 start tonight?

    16. Chris F.

      So, with the Rangers scoring two PP goals, does this mean they’ll continue to have longer practices with more time devoted to the PP? Or would that be too much to ask from professional athletes in this day and age? I know, I know, they get soooo tired.

    17. Jeever

      sorry Lohan – didn’t know you were being sarcastic. I retract my former, current, and future comments regarding it.

    18. onecupin67years

      The NHL all star team should have an

      over paid and underachieve ballot. Gomez and drury, Dipietro, Rozival, Redden etc

    19. Beer Me!

      ...kubina, the entire ottawa senators, jovo-cop, penner, mccabe, etc.

      The list goes on and on.

    20. Jeever

      GOTTA have Finger on that list.

    21. beth

      nationally televised on TSN nyc 18 may have something to do with that.

    22. jason

      Sean Avery a lousy teammate? Say it ain’t so!

      http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1150404/index.htm

    23. Duguay

      I went on record last night in Harlem saying that Avery would bring something to this team that they don’t have right now.

    24. LI Joe

      someone on prev thread was wondering why orr plays all time.
      google james dolan and put in key words orr and fedoruk and you’ll have your answer

    25. 22figure8

      Hey Beth, I would have taken OT at my last 2 games. The shutout vs Calgary and that CRAP effort vs NJ 2 Sat’s ago.

    26. beth

      don’t get me wrong, it’s fun, especially when we win but damn it’s frustrating

    27. bull dog line

      yeah,orr won a fight against fedoruk last year. that is all he is capable of, he can’t play.

    28. Nasty 1

      I am hoping for a good solid game tonight. We have to stay out of the box against the Habs. They have some great passers on this team and on the PP they will shove the puck right up hanks ass and over the goal line while inside of hanks ass, thus it will be a goal against us.

    29. Beer Me!

      I don’t know nasty. They’re ranked below us on the PP. That’s damn near impossible.

      Not that we need a parade to the box. But they’re most dangerous on the rush. So NO PINCHING dmen!

    30. Beer Me!

      I f’n hate the MTL canadians too. I usually need to take a deep breath and count to 10 before these games.

    31. Who Needs Lohan

      Jeever, any time I have a chance to say “quite honestly” I will take it!!!!

      I know someone else that does that….

    32. bull dog line

      i hope the rangers open it up tonight. i know that plays into the habs hands, but it sure would be fun to watch.

    33. cwgatti

      Bring Avery back. He was the heartbeat of the team. This buddy-buddy nice crap is annoying and a sure fire first round exit. You need onions in th playoffs, and this team ain’t got em.

    34. Nasty 1

      Well they have owned us on the PP.

    35. Pavel

      There isn’t a single MTL player that deserves to be in the ASG!

    36. Beer Me!

      Although, now that I think of it, I’m anxious to see how their PP works, and why it’s so ineffective.

    37. Pavel

      Their PP started to suck when Streit left… and now Streit leads d-men in points and most are on the PP… hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    38. Hockey83

      Sean Avery will probably go where all unwanted hockey players end up, the KHL. It’s a perfect fit. None of the other players will speak english, so they won’t understand his insults. If Chris Simon can be a superstar there, then anyone can.

    39. Beer Me!

      Not tryin to be a d!ck nasty, but they haven’t scored a ppg on us this year. Believe it or not, that 6-2 beating they gave us were all at even strength. ouch.

      No excuse to take penalties, I know what you’re sayin. But they haven’t gotten past our killers yet.

      BTW…
      MTL has not won @ MSG in their last 4 visits.

    40. graves9

      The young stars game sucks. Also it’s a bit ridiculous because all the young stars are already in the all-star game.

    41. LI Joe

      bull dog line – do what i said and google it. you’ll see dolan is behind orr playing every game

    42. Salty

      I thought Orr was relatively effective against PIT. I don’t understand how on THIS team of all teams people point fingers at the bottom tier players like Orr & Betts. Those guys do their jobs. THEY are FAR from the reason this team is tumbling in the standings, just as predicted. Those of you that say “Orr’s not even fighting.”.... Trust me, he’d love to fight 3 times a night. He’s taking orders, and doing what he’s told. He’s there to be a THREAT and to make the rest of the twats on the team making millions feel ‘safe’.

      Look at last time we played PIT. He drove Crosby INSANE. He plays a role. I like having him in the line up most nights. You have a bag full of clubs, and you need a Colton Orr in there.

    43. Kaspar

      REPOST

      Jeever I read your post about ranger “O”

      yes-I continue to see them having problems going to the net and when they do they are successfull—-anyone Remember renny commenting on this a few weeks back? He said that “is” in his system but the players simply “were not doing it”.....strange

      also along those lines..One of my kids asked me these two questions while watching a run of Rangers games recently…

      1)Are the Rangers the only team that does line changes with 12 seconds to go in a period? ( they were losing in all the instances that she had seen this)

      2)How come every time the other team comes at the rangers end there are 2 or 3 guys spread out ( she meant center and two wings in formation) but the Rangers either send one guy in against 3 opponents or…(this was funny and happened three times in a row) they send two or three guys in all right on top of ech other…on the same side of the ice!!

      I swear I wasnt egging her on…

    44. Patrick Hoffman

      Who thinks that Korpikoski should be playing instead of Voros? While it was nice to see Voros in the lineup on Monday night, I didn’t think he was all that effective.

      Thoughts?

    45. Beer Me!

      salty – Right on. The problem is, is that voices like that are the one’s that seem to resonate through other fan-bases and make us all look like a bunch of j-off’s.

      It reminds me of jay & silent bob strike back when jay says:

      “And all these people who read that sh!t think the real Jay and Silent Bob are a couple of f*gg*ts ‘cause of that all these d!cks are writing about the comic book Jay and Silent Bob! And maybe one night, me and Lunchbox’ll be macking some b!tch, and she’ll be like “Oooo! I want to suck youse guys d!cks off. What’s your names?” And I’ll be like, “Jay and Silent Bob.” And she’ll be like, “Oh—I read on the Internet that youse guys were little f*cking j-offs.”

    46. LI Joe

      kaspar – i’ve seen them change with 5 secs left

    47. PuxInOz

      Orr is in because we don’t have anyone else to do his role (or he would be sitting) however he is not the guy we should be looking to replace. We need to dump a big salary (or 2) and gain a spark in our lineup. I think we should be thinking of being a contender for the cup next year.

    48. Kaspar

      Salty
      Agreed on our 4th line..
      line one…hi scoring
      line two…secondary scoring
      line three…checking
      line four….fight, PK, grind,

      Yea if all the other lines did their jobs like the 4th line did we’d be better off

      only problem is, like a lot of people say, to see Betts-Orr-Sjo out there twice in last 4 minutes of a game that we are down by a goal or two is just nutzzzzz

    49. True Fans Bleed RW&B

      Salty, per usual, your on-point. People (including the blog host) will take swipes at many of the minions saying they’re not up to par (calling out 3rd/4th liners and rookies) when clearly the problem is the “big” players. Oh well.

      Weinman’s paragraph here sums it up: “If you expected there to be a different lineup two nights after one of the Rangers’ most complete games of the year, you haven’t been paying attention….Despite the Rangers’ success on Monday, that line was quiet, so stay tuned to see if it fares any better tonight.”

      What’s scary is that a game featuring odd-man rushes galore (including 2-on-0) could be called a complete game? Haha. And the other fact is that a line cannot go one game being silent without it being dismantled and/or players being scratched the next game. Oh well.

    50. True Fans Bleed RW&B

      Everyone looking for a little news, what does this mean?!
      http://www.nypost.com/seven/01052009/gossip/pagesix/avery_at_large_147264.htm

      January 5, 2009—

      SEAN Avery (above) is a free agent in more ways than one. The former New York Ranger showed up at Bungalow 8 New Year’s Eve on the arm of – his brother. A spy at the club said that Avery and his girlfriend of several months, Kelly Klein, have split – “They’re no longer together.” Avery was dumped by the Dallas Stars last month after he made a nasty comment about his ex, Elisha Cuthbert. He tried to make up for lost time at Bungalow 8, flirting with women and hanging with former teammates Scott Gomez, Chris Drury, Nigel Dawes and Marcus Nasland.

    51. Kaspar

      True fans

      That went around yesterday…Dawes told the press they ran into him accidenatlly…like they were all inveited w/o knowing Avery was invited too….

      then they all did the worm together…except Drury cause he’s too classsssssssssy

    52. Jeever

      Kaspar –
      2)How come every time the other team comes at the rangers end there are 2 or 3 guys spread out ( she meant center and two wings in formation) but the Rangers either send one guy in against 3 opponents or…(this was funny and happened three times in a row) they send two or three guys in all right on top of ech other…on the same side of the ice!!—————————————————————-

      that’s EASY. so somebody’s there for all the DANG DROP PASSES!

    53. 22figure8

      Beer Me! has SHOWTIME.

    54. Salty

      Alright… Time to start pulling some strings and trying to get into Bungalow…. First the Tranny Shanny party and now the Avery reunion… That place must be quite the scene… Anyone been in there?

    55. Kaspar

      Beer me has snapped….

      he watched the “alternate ending” to Clerks and saw Dante get shot…

      Sorry

    56. Salty

      Beer Me,
      If I cost Drury one d-sucking in his life, I will be happy.

      I already spoiled one of Matt Cullen’s illegit relationships(anyone remember this) ... I’d be happy to cost Drury a beej cause of some bunny reading my posts and realizing he’s overrated and even more overpaid than poor Cullen ever was…. Sorry Cully, if only I’d known!

    57. CCCP

      Does Cindy “big lips” Crybaby really has IQ of 125? According to the ad on the right he DOES! Boy, this is when u start missing “Larry the naked guy” ad…

    58. JJP

      Salty – Totally agree with your assessment of Orr and the fourth line.

      Is 4th place, battling for the division lead really a tumble for this team or would you agree that maybe the expectations/performance at the beginning of the season were high and the team is now playing to a more realistic level?

      I think we had this discussion at the end of October. My point at the time was I didn’t think the assembled team was a conference champ and I wouldn’t be upset if at the end of January they were 4th or 5th.

    59. PuxInOz

      Oh yeah and sean avery is a virus. I’d rather not make any changes if it means he stays off our roster (even in the minors)

    60. Phalanx (Chris in MA)

      Salty

      “I don’t understand how on THIS team of all teams people point fingers at the bottom tier players like Orr & Betts. Those guys do their jobs. THEY are FAR from the reason this team is tumbling in the standings, just as predicted. Those of you that say “Orr’s not even fighting.”.... Trust me, he’d love to fight 3 times a night. He’s taking orders, and doing what he’s told. He’s there to be a THREAT and to make the rest of the twats on the team making millions feel ‘safe’.”

      Spot on

    61. Kaspar

      Scott Gomez makes goofy faces during the national anthem..I want him to leave the country

    62. Nasty 1

      Beer, I didn’t think you were being a dick. I think I am just scarred for last year, that I keep seeing PP goals against us from Montreal in my head. Ha.

    63. Salty

      JJP

      I believe: No reason this team can’t/shouldnt be BETTER than they were to start the season. They were loose and free, to start the season and were molded into something else by poor guidance and invisible leadership.

      I believe this team, as is, has the potential to make noise… I don’t see it happeneing though…. Renney has lost em.

      Pathetic that people are still buying the idea that THE RANGERS NEED ANOTHER STAR.

      WAKE THA F UP. WAKE THA F UP. WAKE THA F UP. WAKE THA F UP. WAKE THA F UP. WAKE THA F UP.

    64. Nasty 1

      If we start to get blown out, you can pretty much guarantee that Bad Girls Club will be on steady repeat on the Oxygen Network all night long. That might be the only thing more ridiculous than the NYR this year. Sometimes you can’t help but watch though.

    65. Jeever

      wow its intervention time for nasty.

      Oxygen is NEVER the answer. at least give drugs a TRY.

    66. Nasty 1

      The heroin and morphine just doesn’t do it for me anymore though.

    67. wd40

      beer me has had the resolve to stick to his (negative) guns on Prucha, even though I think he’s nuts re: the topic.

      can I ask others who wrote Prucha off (and you know who you are) and who have been quiet on the subject what thier current thinking is now?

    68. Jeever

      Kaspar – he’s not making faces, he’s just goofy looking.

    69. Phalanx (Chris in MA)

      Kaspar & Jeever –
      I think hes still trying to decide if hes a Mexi*can* or Mexi*can’t*

    70. Jeever

      I’m one that kinda likes Renney and likes Prucha (not sure if there’s a lot of us out there). The whole Prucha thing really hurt the respect I had for Renney a lot.

      I think he got a raw deal THIS year. Prior to this, I think Prucha had a firm hold on a 2nd line (with PP time), but when Shanny was signed, it bumped Prucha from both. But this eyar, I didn’t understand why there wasn’t a movement to try to restore him.

    71. Jeever

      Nasty – have you tried sniffing white-out? its a classic but a good one.

    72. CCCP

      u guys know so much and make so many good points… i wanted to add something of my own, but i just dont know what?
      oh, i know!! FIRE RENNEY!! (had this been mentioned before?):p

    73. Nasty 1

      White out, markers, paint, everything. Raw hamburger meat on my gums, gasoline, whip its, robitussin. Nothing works.

    74. Jeever

      hey CCCP…. NINETEEN——EIGHTY!

    75. 22figure8

      CCCP misses Larry the naked guy.

    76. bull dog line

      you guys keep calling it the 4th line. it is not treated as a 4th line. that line is put out there after goals for and against. it gets put out on the ice in big spots late in games. to coach renney they are not a 4th line. there are many real 4 th lines in the league, and they contrubute ia all phases, not just fighting. so it not wrong of me to expect more from the so called 4th line. use them like a 4th line, i will stop complaining. and i guess playing relativly well now passes as acceptable.
      beer me i’m sorry voices like mine make you look bad to other fan bases, would never want to upset the all knowing ranger fan.

    77. New Newman

      Sam….My bro and I are going to stop by and see you tonight. “After coming off one of the most complete games of the year…” Were we watching the same game that saw the Rangers take 8 penalties, including 5 in the first (or 10 mins worth of a 20 min period)?

      We need to talk…

    78. CCCP

      lol Jeever…i’ll take that as a compliment… also don’t forget… miracles happen only once.

      22figure8… i do miss Larry the naked guy… at least when Larry takes a dive he does it with class…and he not as irritating as the “Cindy the child”

    79. Phalanx (Chris in MA)

      bull dog line

      “you guys keep calling it the 4th line. it is not treated as a 4th line. that line is put out there after goals for and against. it gets put out on the ice in big spots late in games. to coach renney they are not a 4th line. there are many real 4 th lines in the league, and they contrubute ia all phases, not just fighting. so it not wrong of me to expect more from the so called 4th line. use them like a 4th line, i will stop complaining. and i guess playing relativly well now passes as acceptable.
      beer me i’m sorry voices like mine make you look bad to other fan bases, would never want to upset the all knowing ranger fan.”
      _

      And who’s fault is it that they get played more than they should? Not the player’s fault … its the coaches.

      If they were treated as a true 4th line (as they should) then no one would expect more from them.

    80. JJP

      Prucha has strung together three good games, he deserves to be on the ice. He also was missing in action those first 10 games or so and all of last year. He needs to be consistently scoring if wants to stay in the lineup, lets see if he can do it.

    81. bull dog line

      Milan Lucic, Boston’s tough guy.
      11goals 15 asst, plus16,and 84pims. ben eager on Chicago, 7 minutes a game, 8 goals, Detroit does not dress anybody for that roll. again should we expect more, or should Orr not play.

    82. Akayama49

      I gave my regular seats to the Pittsburgh game to my son and his girlfriend. But then I decided i actually wanted to attend the game, so i called the Garden and they sold me a single seat in Section 80, Row A, seat 5. I get to the game about 10 minutes to seven and discover my seat is located right next to the gate where the Rangers emerge from their lockerroom. Even better, I’m practically on the Penguins bench. Thus began a very unusual night at the garden for me. I’ve been attending games for 45 years and I never had quite the experience I had monday night. Forget that it was avery solid, entertaining game for Rangers fans. Sitting where i was, I got a fairly obstucted view of the action, with players, sticks, coaches and trainers darting in and out of view. But the sense of being involved in the action and seeing the action from the players perspective was something special. As the Rangers exited each period I urged them on. Among the hilites of course was high-fiving Nigel Dawes as he was named a star of the game. Same with Paul Mara. I kept messing up Malkin’s skates as he needed resharpenening several times during the game. What struck me most was how young the players are—gosh we think a 32-year old player is old.

    83. Jeever

      wow… Orr’s not the bestest ever. we should just waive him. might as well do that with about 20 of the other guys, cause there’s better examples of comparable players in their positions/situations too.

      hell Tim Thomas is putting up better #s than Henrik. let’s drop him too. well now what?

    84. ford

      JJP

      Prucha, even when he isn’t consistently scoring, does far more away from the puck and in the corners with his effort and his hockey sense than quite a few guys ahead of him on the ol’ depth chart. I think one should broaden the basis for judgment beyond just him, because I don’t see the same standard applied to other cases.

    85. Dave

      “The NHL all star team should have an

      over paid and underachieve ballot. Gomez and drury, Dipietro, Rozival, Redden etc”

      Redden is very overpaid, but believe it or not, he’s not really underachieving. He’s right on par with his averages on the past two seasons (not including plus/minus).

      I went into more detail on my blog, linked from my name.

    86. wd40

      prucha needs serious legit power play time to maximize his chance of helping this team win. and there is no reason whatever to deny it to him, given his track record and the shittiness of the present PP

    87. bull dog line

      jeever,
      youre right. lets just accept less from everybody. Orr played halfway decent, against Pitt, lets retire his number. Betts has only been minus 20 over the last 3 years, hey thats pretty good. plus he is 48% on faceoffs, why thats great thats almost50%. and Orr, well he once beat up todd fedoruk, lets play him every game just in case we need him to fight. and sjoostrom scored a goal this year, what a season he is having.

    88. Akayama49

      Speaking of Dawes, there is no truth to the rumor that I am his agent or relative. The game winner against Pittsburgh was his 3rd of the season out of 7 goals total. That brings his total to 7 game winners out of 21 career goals (32%), an astonishing high percentage. I know its a small sample (100 career games), but i believe it’s indicative of his potential. A career total of 17-18% game winners/total goals scored puts you among the elite in the historical career category. The best have been Sergei
      Fedorov, Jagr and Roenick all between 17 and 19%. Shanahan was 16.5%.
      Also Dawes now ranks second on the team in +/- with +7.
      Staal leads with +8. Only two other plus players, Zherdev and Betts.

    89. Riche'

      I’ve been negative on Prucha wd40…

      I’m here still.

      Has he played well lately? Hell yes.

      Did he deserve more of a shot than he got? Probably.

      Am I happy he’s proving me? HELL YES!

      Will he keep it up? I dunno.

      If he doesn’t keep scoring/getting assits/drawing penalties should he keep playing? NO

    90. Jeever

      not saying everything’s perfect… there’s always room for improvement. but you’re hell bent on comparing them to the top guys in their class, that’s not realistic. they have a ROLE. Its not to score, OBVIOUSLY. Any scoring they do is icing on the cake.

      Mark Streit has 32 points on a DISMAL Islanders team, Marc Staal has 7. Doesn’t mean he’s a complete failure, he’s just got a role to play, and its not camping out in front of the goal net and looking for offensive rebounds.

    91. a casual observer

      People that think Orr shouldn’t be playin on the 4th line really don’t understand hockey. He is a dynamite role playing 4th liner. His positional play, discipline and skating have all improved and he is certainly one of the toughest guys out there. If your mad that he doesn’t score goals then you really don’t understand the game.

    92. Riche'

      proving me wrong I meant

    93. Chris

      In response to that Avery Article, I wouldnt mind him back if we could dump fritshes BS contract and pay the half from Dallas b/c of waivers… and sitting orr and playing avery on a 4th unit with Sjostrom and Betts

    94. Beer Me!

      wd-The problem here is that you don’t contribute anything to any conversations. You just bring up things to try to piss people off, all along putting yourself in a position that others have recognized that you just don’t contribute to a knowledgable conversation. Don’t worry about what my views are on the team if you don’t agree. Get over it.

      Salty will tell you that I used to despise everything he ever typed here. But even he (sorry salt) contibutes on a level that I don’t think you’re capable of.

      And if you want my repsonse on Prucha, it’s the same as it’s always been. It’s win/win if he performs. It’s a win so that it increases his trade value with the deadline less than 60 days away, and it’s a win because it helps us…win.

      Our team is small up front, and he’s a 1-dimensional player. We have plenty of those guys who make less than $1mil right now. Not that 1.6 is that hard to digest, but add it to the rest of the $ we could be saving, and I’d rather see him moved.

      He’s played very well since coming back into the lineup. But I just don’t buy into the ‘what have you done for me lately’ campaign. Same goes for ‘negative contributions’ (for lack of a better term). I’m not going to bury Dubinsky cause he refuses to shoot the puck, the same way that I’m not going to S prucha’s D because he got on a hot streak. We already have one midget that’s on a hotter streak anyway.

    95. Nasty 1

      S the D baby. S it. HAHA

    96. Beer Me!

      “Prucha has strung together three good games, he deserves to be on the ice. He also was missing in action those first 10 games or so and all of last year. He needs to be consistently scoring if wants to stay in the lineup, lets see if he can do it.”

      That’s exactly it. If he’s not scoring goals, there’s not much else he brings to the table.

      Other players get away with not scoring b/c they kill penalties, fight, hit, whatever.

      And don’t give me “oh prucha hit this guy or that guy”. Prucha throwing a hit is like me farting on someone. It’s an inconvenience sure, but has little or no effect after that.

    97. 22figure8

      Bull Dog- you gave us stats from tough guys from 2 top teams, how about tough guys from 2 bottom teams. Orr does his job. He gets the puck and either clears the zone or dumps it in and puts on pressure. Sometimes he’ll miss a shift as Renney puts somebody else (Z) on the wing. He’s not going to score and that seems to be what you want.

    98. JJP

      Ford – I agree with you that the basis for playing shouldn’t just be limited to scoring but I’m not a believer that Prucha is an effective player in the lineup without that element. The only guys in the lineup I think Prucha can knock out are Dawes, Voros, Korpikoski, and Fritsche (non factor).

    99. Jeever

      could you imagine ACTUAL midget hockey? that could be the COOLEST sport EVER.

    100. LI Joe

      bulldog – since you seem not to want to look it up and are amking me do it (again) read here why orr plays. blame the owner

      http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/blog/2007/03/dubinsky_liffiton_back_to_hart.html

      After that game, Garden chairman James Dolan apparently blew a gasket and lambasted both GM Glen Sather and coach Tom Renney for not dressing Orr, according to two persons familiar with the issue. “He said, ‘What the bleep is going on here?’’ according to one person who asked not to be identified.

      Since then, Orr has played in all 15 games

    101. Beer Me!

      jeev – check youtube! haha…there’s gotta be something.

    102. True Fans Bleed RW&B

      bull dog, you’re missing the point. Blair Betts is a plus+1 Drury and Gomez are minus-10 and minus-4. Those two only have 5 more points than Dubinsky and they play 5-7 minutes more a game! They get ALL the chances at the end of games and almost ALL of the PP time.

      Colton Orr and Blair Betts don’t just jump on the ice when they want to, Renney puts them out their and over-uses them!!! Guess what! Part of why Renney uses them so much is because Drury and Gomez haven’t been that good! Put the responsibility where it deserves…our top players…our ‘captain’ [shoot me for having to still call him that]...and the coach!

    103. Riche'

      An inconvenient farter…

      ha

    104. 22figure8

      Beer Me!
      January 7th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
      “Prucha throwing a hit is like me farting on someone. It’s an inconvenience sure, but has little or no effect after that.”

      The great Beer Me! never ripped a lethal beer fart on anybody? Jeez I let one creep out last week and my wife came into the room 10 minutes later and said,”what’s that SMELL?”

    105. Jeever

      “And don’t give me “oh prucha hit this guy or that guy”. Prucha throwing a hit is like me farting on someone. It’s an inconvenience sure, but has little or no effect after that.”

      Wow Beer… I NEVER want to hang out with you. you might feel the need to “inconvenience” me, and I’d be plenty pissed.

    106. Beer Me!

      haha 22

    107. LI Joe

      chris re your 4:08 comment, fritsche is not that much above minimum, and was not a freea gent but rather part of the Z deal where we also got rid of BAckman and his more than $ 2 mm contract.

      re avery HELL NO. someone posted a link here today (or prev thread) re avery from SI. if you read that and still want him, what can i say we would never agree on anything

    108. Beer Me!

      “Wow Beer… I NEVER want to hang out with you. you might feel the need to “inconvenience” me, and I’d be plenty pissed.”

      Yeah, but then you’d just go about your business after that. With little or no after effects. It’s possible I could stain my shorts, but whatever.

    109. Beer Me!

      new post

    110. True Fans Bleed RW&B

      Beer Me…nice to see your criticism of the second and third teir guys hasn’t stopped. As much as you rip on wd, you have the same song and dance everyday (that is if you’re man enough to show up…ie. the Rangers won!)

      To criticize Dubinsky and Prucha is a moot point. BOTH have been stunted by the dumbness of Renney. Prucha hasn’t had a chance to build chemistry with anyone, and when he did (Dubinsky and Zherdev) he was effing moved off that line!

      Dubinsky had awesome chemistry with Z early this season…Renney broke them up. Needless to say, Drury and Gomez are still on pace for 40-something point seasons and we’re here criticizing a guy who makes 1.6million and another guy who’s probably around 700K and only playing his second full season.

    111. Salty

      For those who say talking on the internet will never cause real tangiable differnce… I want you to read the article below… PhantasyTour is my other internet haunting for passionate Phish fans and making Rolling Stone news is something I’d consider a pretty big deal for a little internet movement started by upset fans.

      Watch your fugckin head Renney… We’re coming for you next!

      http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/01/07/phish-fans-hungry-for-trey-anastasios-old-tone-present-guitarist-with-ross-compressor/

    112. LI Joe

      played 1/2 season – drury and gomez on pace for 54 pts not 40 something (still not great but at least get it right). dubinsky on pace for 10 goals compared to drury’s pace of 22. see i can look at stats too

      http://rangers.nhl.com/team/app?service=page&page=Stats

    113. Voice of Reason

      Every game Renney sits Korpikoski in favor of Voros reaffirms how moronic he is.

      The Dubinsky line was the only line that was ineffective on Monday. They need a tenacious forechecker, that can back up defenders in the neutral zone. That is Korpikoski…

      Voros is too slow… And has scored 3 goals in 30 games, and has played a regular shift and some power play….That sucks!!!!!

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