Head-scratcher: Voros in for Korpikoski

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Whatever ails the Rangers of late, I’m fairly confident the problem cannot be traced to Lauri Korpikoski, who has instead been one of the Rangers’ few bright spots the past few weeks.

Tom Renney said Korpikoski hasn’t been a problem, either. But that still won’t prevent the coach from sitting the rookie down so that Aaron Voros can get back in, where he’ll presumably play on a line with Brandon Dubinsky and Nikolai Zherdev.

If the Rangers need more size, why take out a player who has actually been one of the team’s most physical forwards?

“Getting Voros back in, getting his game back into the lineup, and his presence at the net to help our power play,” Renney said when explaining his rationale.

When asked if the move was a reflection of Korpikoski’s play, Renney shook his head. “No, he said. “It’s a matter of getting Voros in and I had to move someone. It’s as simple as that.”

Renney went on to acknowledge that Voros, who has been a scratch the past two games in part because of a drop-off in his fitness level, has worked his way back into shape; and that the move tonight was an effort to reward that.
“For him it’s about sustainability, too,” Renney said. “If he’ll do it, fine. If not, somebody else will get the chance.”

——-

As for my previous post about Sean Avery’s nightclub reunion with his former teammates, don’t pull those No. 16 jerseys out of the storage bins just yet. The New Year’s Eve run-in with Avery may have only been a coincidence.

“We just ran into him,” said Nigel Dawes. “We didn’t know he was going. It was pretty much like we got invited to the same party.”

I asked Dawes if he thought Avery would ever be welcomed back into the Rangers dressing room.

“At this point it’s tough to say,” Dawes said. “With the way the room is now, I don’t think it would be easy for him to come back. Stranger things have happened. But everyone gets along in this room and there haven’t been any disturbances. I don’t know exactly what happened (in Dallas), but it sounds like something.”

OK, fine. But there’s a very good chance that some of us — myself certainly included — may have overrated the importance of a team needing to get along perfectly.

By all accounts this team is one of the tighest Rangers groups in years. And look where that’s getting them.

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  1. Who cares about Avery. I guarantee he does not come back to NY. But if he did, I wonder how he and Vally would get along? lol

  2. OMG this just keeps getting worse and worse. I cannot take another day of Renney as coach. I swear.

  3. I just had a tuna and swiss wrap for lunch. Not only is my stomach turning, but I can’t get the tuna smell off my hands. Any one have any suggestions for 1. How to get the smell off, and 2. What I am supposed to say to my wife if I can’t get the smell off? Ha.

  4. What happened to Tom’s statement about holding players responsible, including his “key members”? Same old, same old.

  5. Unreal. Renney is clueless. How about taking Dawes out? The guy has one good game then goes invisible for a month!

  6. I don’t care who gets along on this team. Bunch of pampered pansies. If anything, I would bring him back just to stir the pot. This team needs a kick in the balls.

  7. howyagonnatellme on

    You ruin Prucha and you’re going to ruin Korpi, too?

    STOP THIS RIGHT NOW. The problem isn’t Korpikoski or Prucha or Dawes or anyone else Renney has tried to take it out on. THE PROBLEM IS WITH GOMEZ AND DRURY AND REDDEN AND ROZSIVAL. All the guys we play MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of dollars to no produce.

    I’ve come to the conclusion Renney just doesn’t like effort. That’s what kills him about Prucha, and apparently about Korpikoski. These kids TRY.

    UNREAL. Korpi has been a bright spot in the past dismal month. I personally think he’d be served well with another year in the minors, but he is doing the little things, being an aggressive forechecker, fighting in corners, the whole nine years. Whereas Voros shouldn’t have been scratched over his fitness level, he should have been scratched because he has been COMPLETELY INVISIBLE since November.

    Un-freaking-believable. A part of me is impressed it wasn’t Prucha, but holy hell.

  8. So Voros was sat down because of conditioning? Not for his overall lack of production and bad penalties. So after only 2 games out he’s miraculously back in shape.

  9. Good observation by Sam – remember last year when Avery got into with Malek? Didn’t Malek’s game pick up after that?

    Maybe there is something to be said for having a little disorder/dislike on the team, challenging each other or forcing players to play hard for your job….

  10. at least SOMETHING is changing with the PP… Voros started the year well, maybe he’ll find it back with the PS line.

  11. Voros helps the power play? WTF? Since when? Gimme a break.

    I hate to admit it, but everyone that called out Drury and Gomez as pretenders and everyone that claimed Renney didn’t know how to adjust or excel seems to have been more on the nose than I ever thought possible.

    Please, Voros, do something. Anything. Prove me wrong. Crush Crosby and score. Oh, maybe that’s it. Maybe Renney will have Voross straight up runCrosby early to get Sid loco.

    Hey, enough with the Avery BS. Please. Dead horse.

  12. Phalanx (Chris in MA) on

    “Western Canada Survivor

    Is there a reason Colton Orr needs to play 82 games per year?”

    He needs to play tonight in case that goon Crosby goes after one of our ‘stars’.

  13. howyagonnatellme on

    He’s using Voros as an excuse not to play Prooks on the PP.

    Can’t justify scratching Prucha now, so he’ll put him on the line with Drury, where both Drury and Prucha sucked it up during the beginning of the year. No chemistry with them, even though Prucha HAS found chemistry (at least, goals) with Gomez and Dubinsky. Give Prucha a game or two without goals, and we’ve seen the last of him.

  14. one of the Rangers BIGGEST problems with the power play, since even before the lock-out was getting guys planted in the slot. Drury does it, but he’s like 4 feet and takes an ever-loving BEATING. Voros can actually handle it. It doesn’t take that much skill to be a screen or block the goalie’s vision. He can help the PP THAT way.

  15. I’m baffled. Why not sit Orr or Sjoestrom? It makes no sense.

    Nasty1,

    try rubbing a stainless steel spoon on your hands… that works for garlic (don’t ask me how) maybe it’ll work for tuna.

  16. are there any “fire renney” chants at the garden? have they been picking up steam recently?

  17. “Sustainability.” From a guy who rewards lifeless, awful play from this team’s top earners with even more ice time.

    I wouldn’t buy a toaster from this nonsense-spewing toad, much less a used car.

  18. The day he sits Drury or Gomez will be the day hell freezes over.

    I almost can’t believe Sather sits there and allows this to happen to the team he put together then again I look at the team he put together and I think is this guy honestly paid.

  19. what an idiot Renney is HAHAHHAHA yea Voros is gonna help the powerplay by just standing there. I seriously am not liking this dude anymore.

  20. oh yea who really cares if they all get along, cause unfortunately that doesnt happen on the ice.

  21. haha, THIS team is a joke? you should have tried being a Rangers fan pre-lockout. THOSE teams were jokes. This team actually CAN compete.

  22. Sit Gomez. Kalinin. Redden. Drury. Anyone else. Oh I forgot they are veterans and how they play doesn’t matter because they were all once good and don’t need to change their game or workout routines.

    Of course Renney sits Korpido because he holds new guys to different standards than veterans. He’s been working harder than just about anyone and THIS IS WHAT HE GETS!

    I guess you have to be a bright shining star like Marc Staal to stay off the bench in Renney’s book. Not just a hard, scrappy worker who has been stepping up his game.

    I’ve stuck up for Renney all along but he has really gotten under my skin lately. Way too much pride and little preparation for other teams.

  23. The kid killings continue…

    What am I supposed to tell my kids about wanting to grow up and be a Ranger now??

    Somebody??

  24. Or vinegar…vinagarette is even better…with a nice glass of wine, some mozart and finger painting

  25. so riddle me this, voros is benched because he got out of shape and will be given power play time instead of prucha who remained in shape even while benched for eternity and has scored 16 pp goals in an nhl season. “quite honestly, at the end of the day does that identify with what we’re trying to establish here”???

  26. NAsty1

    Lemon juice. cut one in half, rub all over your hands til its crushed to pieces, then rinse and repeat.

    Worked for me when I used to fish.

    Speaking of Fish, Renney is beyond me even criticizing anymore
    the man is just retarded.

    Sam can you PLEASE ask Renney some tough questions?
    PLEASE!!!!!!!
    WHy do you consistently deny Prucah PP time?
    Why isnt Staal permanently planted on a PP unit?
    Why dont you sit ANY of your High paid players who are not producing? Wheres ther accountability?
    Why cant you get your team to look like they give a shit for jsut one game?
    Can I have an interview with SAther?

    IT’s time for accountability
    Im chanting R-E-N-N-E-Y next game i go to a game when were losing to get the F ing message started

  27. Anyone think Renney has a personal hatred for Prucha? Does Renney have a daughter/wife that Pru’s been tappin’?

  28. kasper… that’s easy, just tell your kids they won’t be able to play in the NHL until they’re better than daddy.

  29. “kasper… that’s easy, just tell your kids they won’t be able to play in the NHL until they’re better than daddy.”
    Jeever 1-05-09

    Ok Jeevs…I’ll tell the girls what you said ;)

  30. “I’m baffled. Why not sit Orr or Sjoestrom? It makes no sense.”

    Because Orr owns Crysob and the Pensys (you must have missed their last game) and Sjo has been impressive as of late and is not the problem.

  31. Sam,

    I’m sure this is a sticky subject for you, but have you and your fellow beat-writers ever considered a media blackout of the Rangers, in response to Sather’s blackout of you?

    I know that, compared to say politics or financial news, sports isn’t quite as pressingly important, but as a member of the media don’t you feel it’s your collective responsibility to cover the news? The NHL is a business that’s interested in being as public as possible, and I feel that if you refuse to cover the Rangers, the league would have to take notice and begin insisting that Sather make himself available.

    You do a wonderful job with the benchings and scratchings and rumors, but, speaking for myself, I’d like a little more in-depth insight as to where Sather thinks he’s taking his team, and why he feels his current vision is failing so spectacularly.

    I think you and your colleagues owe it to your readers to start getting a little more aggressive in your reporting.

    Very respectfully.

  32. You guys know you can’t dress as many players as you want right?

    Everybody was bitching and moaning that Prucha couldn’t get in the lineup. Now he is, and you’ve found something else to bitch about.

    I was pulling for korpi to make the team since first glimpse of him in the preseason. Still glad he made the team. Glad he got the time he’s gotten. But are you really bitching about a rookie with 30gp’s so far this year that has 1 goal, 2 assts, and is a -5?

    Korpi’s got a great NHL future ahead of him (hopefully for the NYR). But be real here. His sitting tonight is not earth shattering.

    Valid points to sit Sjo or Orr. Not so much Orr with Goddard on the other side. And that every player on the team has said they feel better off with him in the lineup. Sjo I could see. If he came out of the lineup tonight, it’d be: “He hasn’t done anything wrong to be scratched”.

    Sather put a team of 2nd, 3rd, 4th liners together. Did everyone suddenly forget that??

  33. Nasty – It’s like a sea urchin. You have to pee on your hands.

    And to get it off your breath?

    See above.

  34. Who Needs Lohan on

    Yeah Nasty, there is only one way to get rid of that smell but you’ll need some Vaseline first!

  35. Who Needs Lohan on

    Sam wrote… “By all accounts this team is one of the tighest Rangers groups in years. And look where that’s getting them.” Tightest as in close-knit or tighest as in their coach is an obtuse tight ass an it reflects on all his players?

    And Sam, how could you not use that PowerPlay conversation as an opportunity to mention Staal and Prucha as needed help on the PP??? You disappoint me sometimes….Just sayin’

  36. Ha, yeah, I tried the spoon and it worked a little bit. I just rubbed some chocolate and peanut butter on my hands and then washed them. Smells like peanut butter now, but anything is better than tuna. I smelled like I was hanging out with the Hookers from the Point.

  37. howyagonnatellme on

    Beer Me,

    It’s about watching kids be pulled in and out of the lineup, despite the fact that Korpi has done all the right things. He’s not scoring, but he’s been working hard. He’s noticeable.

    Aaron Voros, though, hasn’t been. He’s been invisible since early November. Since Dubinsky has been on vacation, Voros has done nothing.

    As it was mentioned before, Prucha managed to stay in GREAT shape despite being out of the line up for an extraordinary amount of time, whereas Voros lost it WHILE he was playing. Voros, apparently, only has to maintain a certain level of fitness to keep playing, to “sustain,” whereas Prucha… well, who knows what Renney’s even thinking.

    We’ve seen Prucha’s confidence get killed. Voros did the wrong thing, Korpi did the right thing, and Voros gets rewarded by getting stuck right back into the lineup at Korpi’s expense.

    This whole conversation is silly, though, because the truth is that Prucha will be pulled right out of the lineup after a game or two that he doesn’t score a goal.

    I still don’t like that one of our most consistent, youthful players, who gives heart 100% of the time, who is working hard to remain on this level, is getting scratched, to reward someone who spent most of this season invisible.

  38. beer me, yeah, everyone was “bitching and moaning that prucha couldn’t get in the lineup” and they were right that he belongs there. and you (along with the other renny droolers who were killing anyone who defended prucha) were wrong. as usual.

  39. reason #573 why renney should be FIRED.. voros was out of shape but miraculously is back in shape within a weeks time.? i think not pal, voros has done nothing to warrant a roster spot for the better part of 2 months.. yet you let prucha rot in the press box and since you dusted him out of the moth balls he’s been one of your best 2-3 forwards or players overall.. get a clue renney if something is working don’t go back to “your guys” just because.. “your guys” have done a sh*tty job for the most part this season.. pull your head from your ass and maybe you’ll realize dubinsky needs a seat too he has’nt done a damn thing since october.. well then again niether has half the team..

  40. Just in case anyone missed it, the Flyers are now in first place with the Rangers tied with the Devils for second.

  41. Nick!
    Can I join the Tom Renney fan club too??
    I can bake brownies, do invitations for events etc etc…

    Plus I have experience…I used to run the Malik fan club

    Let me know

  42. wow, this is a blatently bad move by Renney…i don’t care what the numbers show, Korpiskoski has been better than Voros will be tonight. Korpi still is sitting on only 4 points but has played a high energy game and used his size to his advantage…why not sit Orr? I guess Renney’s feeling is that they need Orr in to shut down Crosby which I can understand because I get the feeling Voros is to self centered to limit himself to a shutdown guy…still, Korpiksoki-Dubinsky-Zherdev is still more dangerous than voros-dubinsky-zherdev, that ship sailed. Now I can still understand that Voros may be a better option for the PP because he is taller and more experienced…will it play out? We’ll see….

  43. I’ve been patient with Renney, but after hearing his comment about “We’re a 2-1 team” on the night that we lost 2-1 really hit home. And now that he’s benching one of the few recent sparks in the sputtering offense, Korpi, as though Voros has a guaranteed spot as long as his fitness is up is really making me lose faith in him. Put Voros on the PP to stand in front–that’s all he really can do offensively–and he just can’t compare to Korpi as an all-around offensive threat. Plus Korpi is no small fry like the rest of our offensive contributors as of late (dawes, prucha, and callahan). Roszi keeping shooting from the point–maybe Kalinin will join in. As for Redden, the best play he’s made all season was clocking the caps captain–what a 39 million dollar joke.

  44. Voros has done nothing since the first few games… If he doesn’t do much here, waive him, put in Korpedo and roll with these lines…

    Naslund Gomer Prucha
    Korpedo Dubinsky Zherdev
    Dawes Drury Callahan
    4th line

  45. great.. Instead of sitting SJustrom or Orr(really he sucks) so he can fight whiptydoo, they sit a energetic rookie who has played well except he cannot shoot the damn puck(on this team he has a lot of company).

    Well the good news is Bobby Orr Kalinan will be in there tonight to crap in his pants and give up a few juicy turnovers in his own zone.

    more great news from rangerland…

  46. Oi. Well atleast he didn’t sit Prucha. But cmon- Voros has been ineffective lately. All these lil moves are just a form of running in place. Seems as though Renney just doesn’t have the answers anymore…

  47. howyagonnatellme on

    Here’s coach Tom Renney’s explanation for the line switches: “I am looking at it kind of from a power-play perspective. If I decide to go down that road tomorrow and beyond, what it does is it might give us an opportunity to throw a completely different look out there as a power play unit and make it a little more competitive as to whether you’re getting that opportunity.” http://njmg.typepad.com/rangersblog/

    And Voros just gets added to the powerplay? After being “out of shape” not to mention INVISIBLE for months? This is called a competitive PP that everyone has a chance to make it? Meanwhile, Voros just gets plugged right back in?

    Does Korpi know Renney said this?

    Does Prucha know Renney said this?

    Does Prucha cry himself to sleep every night?

    Is this the biggest joke you’ve ever heard, or what? Unreal.

  48. yeah VOros has done nothing except on this team he is like the 6th leading scorer.

    Professors yeah keep on playing that effective 4th line after all they have about 5 goals this year..

    BRAIN SUrgeons…

  49. Good read from the rodent’s blog.

    Caps Laugh At Renney

    And justifiably, so. Apparently, Cap bench boss Bruce Boudreau played his opposite like a violin Saturday night.

    “We put both Alexes on the penalty kill. The Rangers have “given up now twelve short handed goals which is the most in the league. So we thought if we can get some offensive guys out there a little bit more we might get an opportunity to get a goal.”

    As for Alexander Ovechkin’s shorthanded goal being offsides… Not by my reckoning. David Steckel’s heel is on the line at the moment AO fakes the slapper.

    As for Mike Green’s romp down the weak side unmolested for his power play tally… Here’s how shocked he was:

    “Usually (the back-door play) is not that wide open… Semin took advantage of it and made a great pass to myself. We don’t really get a chance to work on it too much because teams are so cautious of it but tonight it was wide open.”

    I have been harping on this “swivel heads” problem for months now. Yet nothing changes on the Blueshirt backcheck. They still get caught gazing at the puck with not a one of them glancing behind. When it happens once or twice, you can blame the players. Now? It’s on the coaches failing to fix it.

  50. The fact that Voros is out of shape scares me..

    Obviously he is not the greatest player on earth or our savior ( which makes this move curious even more)

    But I gotta admit, if he scores 15 goals this year in say, 70-75 games, and Renney lets-commands-demands that he clog the crease I wont kill the guy…if you would have told me all that in August I’d say thats Ok…Dubi and Dawes will score 20 each and we’ll be aight…

    Those guys, even though i like them, are the real disappointments this year..coach influenced or not

  51. Hockeyman Rangers on

    NEW POLL
    What do you think of the NY Rangers coaching this year???

    __ Fire Renny

    __ Keep Renny

    __ Give him until the end of the season.

  52. One last thing…then I gotta do work…

    has anyone else here noticed that whenever a Ranger defenseman pinches in you can almost predict and shout out “now they’ll be short on the counter-attack” and it happens EVERY TIME????!!!!????

    No one ever covers for a pinching dee-man

    Coaching?
    Idiot players?
    Avery??

  53. Who Needs Lohan on

    I wish more teams were as candid about our shortcomings as the Capitals are. Embarrassment is exactly what this team needs…

  54. Remember the days when you were younger and would go down to breakfast and have to swipe your morning wood up so the elastic from your boxers or sweats would keep it pinned to your stomach, so you wouldn’t knock over the OJ or syrup with your lance, and so your poor mom wouldn’t have to see it. Ha, man, those were the days.

  55. I agree Lohan, I want this team to feel pathetic and embarassed. When Ovechkin flat out said that we stopped playing hockey during the game that we blew the 4 goal lead, I was glad he said it. He was 100% right. We need to be called out, embarrassed, and ridiculed. We SUCK and we need to do something about it. Get Donald Trump or Vince McMahon to be our new GM, they will have no problem firing someone, ha.

  56. “I was trying to lure you out on last post :)”

    How so Kaspar? Honestly, I just skim everyone’s posts now. sorry.

    wd- based on 2 games back in the lineup? haha

    I expected korpi to be in and out of the lineup all year. I’m actually surprised he’s played 30 of the first 40.

  57. I have been out of NYC and in PA for since early Friday. I saw my beloved Rangers fall from 3rd to 6th place in the EC in one weekend. If now isnt the time to press the panic button I dont know when it is.

    Lohan

    I have only seen one coach in my 30 years of watching hockey & Rangers hockey get the best our of their players whether it be embarrassing them or other wise and that was Mike Keenan. It seems ever other team in the NHL holds players accountable, calls them out. Coaches are fired at the drop of a hat when teams dont play well. All except the Rangers. And yes it IS at the top – when they have the same owner who REFUSED to fire Isiah Thomas with 3 of the WORST seasons for the knicks and a sexual assault case. WTF what is wrong with these ppl? Do they not want to win Championships? And up your ass with that “oh they are just contempt with getting seats filled BS” Wouldnt another Championship PUT people in the seats??? Wouldnt a great exciting hockey team put people in the seats? That logic never made sense to me?

    So yes with all of their multi-year, multi-million dollar signing. They are the absolute joke of the NHL.

  58. Who Needs Lohan on

    I can honestly say I prefer devastating losses to squeak out victories right now. Its our only chance for the future.

    Bring it on annoying rah rah Ranger fans, I’m sure someone will criticize me for that one.

  59. Nasty – you really need to start your own blog with nice little anecdotes like that!

    Prediction:

    Therrien’s tenure ends before Renney’s.

    And to answer that poll… Renney will be here through the rest of the season/playoffs. Another 2nd round exit and he could be replaced. Only way he’s not is if there’s a significant injury resulting in losing the series. Need to get past 2nd round to come back. I have no problem with that. But drawing the conclusion that we won’t(at this point) is a little ridiculous.

  60. Phalanx (Chris in MA) on

    At the next GM meeting or wherever… Sather should motion to add the following to the rulebook. “Should team A be called for a penalty, team B has the option to decline the man advantage and play 5 on 5. Should team B choose to decline the powerplay, the guilty player (from team A) still serves his penalty time.”

    … its still a work in progress

  61. “I saw my beloved Rangers fall from 3rd to 6th place in the EC in one weekend. If now isnt the time to press the panic button I dont know when it is.”

    Pitt fell out of the f*ckin top 8 over the weekend. And did so by losing 6-1 to the f*ckin PANTHERS! If they’re not hitting the panic button, there’s no reason the NYR should.

  62. for those of you who want to sit Orr tonight..
    if you can stir your short memory up …the last time we played the Pens ,Orr was def was effective in throwing off Cindy’s game…
    I for one would like to see more of that tonight

  63. Looking over the standings, and I see that the off days have finally caught up. Now the Rangers have the same number of games played as almost everyone else in the conference (39-40). That makes point and stat comparisons more meaningful now. It was weird, just a few weeks ago, trying to compare things like goals allowed, but realizing the Rangers had played like 6 more games than everyone else.

  64. MAKO-The Fog, Fred Shero did a pretty good job as Rangers coach.

    Beer- You’re letting your shield down and responding to some of these whiners?

    From what I’ve seen today, Prucha is all of the sudden the next coming of Gretzky, Voros can get a hat trick tonight and some of you will still be whining that Korpi got shaffed, people are telling Sam Weinman how to do his job, some of you actually hope for the Rangers to lose so their future is brighter and Nasty has stinky hands while daydreaming about his kiddie morning wood,

  65. Who Needs Lohan on

    Beer Me wrote…
    “Only way he’s not is if there’s a significant injury resulting in losing the series.”

    That made me laugh pretty hard because no such significant player exists

  66. “From what I’ve seen today, Prucha is all of the sudden the next coming of Gretzky, Voros can get a hat trick tonight and some of you will still be whining that Korpi got shaffed, people are telling Sam Weinman how to do his job, some of you actually hope for the Rangers to lose so their future is brighter and Nasty has stinky hands while daydreaming about his kiddie morning wood,”
    22figure8 1-05-09

    Hey 22!
    you forgot to mention that I volunteered my baking services and my invitation printing abilities to the Tom Renny fan club run by Nick

  67. Beer 2 things

    1. Pens have their own issues to deal with and have been teetering along 5, 6 & 7th place all year. With a combined 110 points from Crosby & Malkin two players dont make a team :)
    Big deal they are 9th in the EC – they will eventually get their team together. Like I said in my earlier post. Other teams will pull a trigger or two if that red light starts to flash. Not the Rangers. I would bet they ride out the season with Renney, Pearn & Pelino even if they completely tank the rest of the season.

    2. Im not a pens fan.

  68. onecupin67years on

    Renney made the Voros decision based upon his horoscope, or he’s throwing darts at the roster and hit voros’s name.
    Well, Pitts lost 4 in a row rangers 4 out of 5 ,guess who won’t lose 5 in a row?
    Lets see if they give up another “shortie” tonight.
    The weather is always sunny and dry in renney land ,where everything is Rosy.

  69. Agreed, Orr needs to be in v. Pens because of Godard and to mess with Sidney “The Beast” Crosby. You know, in case Crosby decides to start a fight with our equipment manager or something.

  70. “voros can get a hat trick”

    hey 22 figure, shoot for some hypothetical that’s more likely. such as Renny running his bench so that there isn’t a shortie against, or a too many men penalty, or a shot on goal during a power play.

  71. The Pittsburgh Post reporter Barry Looks wrote that today is a golden oppurtunity for the Penguins to get two points, because the Rangers are reeling, their captains are partying with Sean Avery etc….

    What did NY Post writer Larry brooks write today?

  72. Who Needs Lohan on

    Orr harrassing Crosby equals 10 – 15 minutes of icetime or less for any of the players who actually have a chance to net one. Sounds like another 2-1 thriller. Fasten your seatbelts folks. Isnt sports supposed to be entertaining???

  73. 22

    Maybe I should have been a little bit more clear. I was born in 75, yes I was watching hockey at that age – loved it – but too young to appreciate Shero when he coached in the late 70’s.

  74. Mrs.Flimstein on

    Lauri korpikoski is my favorite player.
    He has the same name as my daughter Laurie, except she has an E .I loved Rod Gilbert and and Avery , now lauri is my favorite he’s so cute, what the hell is wrong with that renney guy anyway .OY , I could vomit!

  75. I stayed up until almost 4 the other night just to get the part of Monsters Ball where Billy Bob tags Halle Berry. When she starts saying, “Make me feel good, make me feel good.” Ha. I was so tired, but I love that part.

  76. Sjostrom and Korpikoski are the same exact player. I rather Sjostrom sit but I’m not gonna go crazy over a guy with 1 goal in 30+ games sitting.

  77. “Sjostrom and Korpikoski are the same exact player. I rather Sjostrom sit but I’m not gonna go crazy over a guy with 1 goal in 30+ games sitting.”

    Graves9…..cooling down the furor

  78. Who Needs Lohan on

    Wouldnt it have been fun if Drury got a night of pine???? Would have been fun to watch him with a mouthpiece and visor sitting up in the rafters…

  79. “Nasty 1 January 5th, 2009 at 11:50 am
    I just had a tuna and swiss wrap for lunch. Not only is my stomach turning, but I can’t get the tuna smell off my hands. Any one have any suggestions for 1. How to get the smell off, and 2. What I am supposed to say to my wife if I can’t get the smell off? Ha.”

    The best way to get the smell out is to eat an onion… so when ur wife asks u “Nasty 1, whats that smell?” at least it’ll smell like onions… lol

  80. Beer nobody buried Prucha more than You well besidses for Renney how bout giving Kid Chaos some credit?

  81. Lohan
    thats not too far fetched

    This team needs a kick in the A** no matter what Nigel Dawes says

    Avery

    fire the PP coach

    Bench hi paid guy

    Trade a hi paid guy

    The media going Larry Brooks in force

    Something something something

    you can just see it all slowing down into molasses, apathy and excuses

    WAKE THEM UP!!!!

  82. So Renney says this about Voros:

    “For him it’s about sustainability, too,” Renney said. “If he’ll do it, fine. If not, somebody else will get the chance.”

    Korpokowski GETS that chance, he does great, and…. Voros gets his job back? On what grounds?

    Look for another too-many-men penalty tonight, cause none of the players know who to skate with anymore.

  83. graves9, if i had a nickel for every opinion beer me has gotten right about this team, i’d have nothing.

  84. Beer Me wrote…
    “Only way he’s not is if there’s a significant injury resulting in losing the series.”

    That made me laugh pretty hard because no such significant player exists
    ……….

    Almost true. Hank is a significant player.

  85. Speed how did he do great? He played exactly like Sjostrom does. Korpikoski is just another 4th liner on a team with way too many of them. What pisses me off is that Voros will be on the pp over Prucha.

  86. Who Needs Lohan on

    CCCP, maybe he is excited. Remember how excited the announcers were about the aerial blimp views of the Winter Classic!!!

    And Kaspar, it IS far fetched! We all know something like that needs to happen, but yet we all know it wont!

  87. “the definition of insanity is doing the same thing and hoping for a different result” I’ve seen this quote like 1,000 times the past couple of months in regard to the Rangers.

    Now something changes and its “That’s so stupid!!!”

    Hell, how many people on the board were saying “Prucha’s Done!” a month ago?

    maybe that definition of insanity applies to complaining too?

  88. check that, i’d have $0.05. because i agree with beer me that hank is a significant player

  89. wd – you’d actually be loaded. Because renney will be fininishing the season as the coach.

    “graves9
    January 5th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
    Sjostrom and Korpikoski are the same exact player. I rather Sjostrom sit but I’m not gonna go crazy over a guy with 1 goal in 30+ games sitting.”

    Agreed there graves.

    And I give Prucha a lot of credit for coming back in the lineup and producing. Let’s just give it 10 games or so and see if it keeps up.

  90. Who Needs Lohan on

    Beer Me,
    You cant argue the fact that the team plays better more responsible D in front of Vali. So Im not so sure how significant that is….Staal would be our biggest loss IMO.

  91. The difference in the way I feel about prucha and the way most feel about renney is that I WANT prucha to do good.

    I also want him to be a nice part of a package deal at the deadline ;)

  92. graves9 – well I guess I mean, Korpokowski did his job, yes he is 4th line. I like Sjo too, they do their jobs. Voros didn’t. TOTALLY agree Prucha would be the way to go.

  93. Lohan

    We all know that Renney has no b@lls when it comes to benching his “star” players. Prucha last 3 games, 3 goals. So, Renney has to LOOK for an excuse for Prucha to be benched now or he will REALLY look like an a-hole.

    The game is on Versus tonight. It better be broadcasted in HD because last time – it took them 10 min into the first to fix it.

  94. “I was trying to lure you out on last post :)”

    How so Kaspar? Honestly, I just skim everyone’s posts now. sorry
    Beer Me! 1-05-09

    Beer

    the reason is because without you here to defend him all everyone can do is try to “out-do” each other with reasons to fire the coach…

    How I tried was to send secret messages out…if you take the third letter of every other word from every single post, translate the letters into Lithuanian then re-convert back to english (lower case) then…with the exception of “long sound Vowels” spell the new word out vertically..it would say Beer you!

    I assumed you’d know what I meant….

  95. First, Merry New Year everyone!

    Second, so much for hoping the new year would bring some new, fresh thoughts to this team. Shorthanded goals, Redden on the ice for almost every goal against, no one hitting anyone carrying the puck up the ice, etc.

    Third, on the Voros thing….remember, this is all about protecting Sather’s ass. He went and got Voros this season (along with Redden, Fritsche, and Rissmiller…what an offseason for the guy!) So Renney has to keep his boss happy by playing Voros. But Renney just says stupid things to cover it up. Rob L. touched on it way above and others did too…the guy was out of shape and in a week he is back to playing shape? Wow! The guy is a friekin Lance Armstrong.

    Fourth, sitting Korpi over anyone else mentioned seems like the right move (if you have to play Voros) because you can’t take Prucha out, nor Dawes, and the SOB line was on fire versus Pitt last game. Remember Orr owned Crosby, drew a few penalties, and kicked Godard’s butt. You need Sjo and Betts on the PK, so therefore the SOB line stays in tact. Look, I don’t like playing Voros anymore than anyone else, but think Sather and think Renney doing what he needs to do to stay in good with the mgmt.

    5th, btw, who saw Crosby’s “fight” on Jan 3. What iota of respect was left in me for Crosby (trust me it wasn’t much at all) just went out the door. He jumps this guy while the guy has his head down and was just winning a faceoff. I mean if that wasn’t the biggest cowardly move in the history of the NHL it has to be in the top 5. If the refs were really on their game, they would have given him 5 mins plus 2 and then let him back in the game with 12 mins left in the 3rd. Florida would have come after him.

    6th, the Pens are maybe the only team in the league playing worse than the NYR!

    7th, Zach Parise signed a deal at the beginning of the year. 4 yrs, $12mm. And we signed Redden, Roszival, and Drury for just a touch more. Sather should be put out of his misery already.

  96. Lohan – I know you’re a jokester…but there’s no chance in hell that (and before I say it, I’ll state that #18’s my favorite current ranger) losing staal in a playoff series would be more significant than one of the best tenders in the NHL.

    But they certaintly play better D in front of Vally. Because they have to.

  97. jeever, all the people who were saying “prucha’s done” are the same bunch who think renny is doing a bang-up job. can you not make out the distinction?? if the “Decider” has been proved consistently bad, why should anyone trust the changes he makes, esp. when they come with his nonsensical explanation??

  98. Ranger rooter on

    How about taking out Sjostrom? He tries hard, but offensive skills are lacking. Dawes has been better of late and Korpi seemed to be coming on.

    How about taking out Kalinin or Redden? Can’t watch them anymore.

    Need a win badly tonight with Montreal coming in!

  99. kaspar – my bad man. I can’t believe I missed that! haha

    So in other words, the toilet needed a cleaning.

  100. “Western Canada Survivor January 5th, 2009 at 11:53 am

    Is there a reason Colton Orr needs to play 82 games per year?”

    —–
    Yes… Orr wants to break Cal Ripken Jr. all time record for consecutive games played… oh wait… that’s —-basketball- :P

  101. Beer Me,

    You know Prucha won’t get 10 games to see if he still plays well. Renney can’t wait to scratch him from the lineup. Just the fact that he’s putting him with Drury proves that. His shovel is ready to bury that kid.

  102. wd – to me it seemed like 90% of the posters were saying Prucha’s done… and it sounds like 90% are bashing Renney now.

    so either there’s 2 totally seperate halves that completely stop posting, or some people are saying both.

  103. jeever – There was a big “mish-mosh” of opinions. But as long as there’s someone around to tell us all who’s OPINION is right or wrong, we’ll be fine.

    prucha25 – You’ll….ooops, I mean HE’LL get as many games as the staff & MANAGEMENT want to give him. Right up until the deadline when he can play as many games as he wants in EDM!

  104. Western Canada Survivor on

    We’ve been initiating the Fire Renney chant in section 311 for three years running now-it has finally been gaining some momentum over the last three weeks.

    Might I also add that we are tied to a team starring Scott Clemmensen and Jay Leach-what does that mean? Coaching!

  105. Who Needs Lohan on

    Beer Me,
    I am joking somewhat but at the end of the day the team plays better D with Vali in net. They probably score a few more goals for with Lundqvist but at the end of the day who really cares right? The seats are full…..

  106. “Renney went on to acknowledge that Voros, who has been a scratch the past two games in part because of a drop-off in his fitness level, has worked his way back into shape; and that the move tonight was an effort to reward that”.

    I wonder if anyone called Renney out and asked him why the above did’nt apply to Prucha who was always in top game shape but sat out for an extended period?

    No, I didn’t think so…

  107. Lohan – I agree that they play better D in front of their backup. I’d also say that 99% of the teams in the league play better D in front of their backup too.

    I don’t think it’s a mystery to anyone. At least I hope not.

  108. bingo, that’s the ticket, trade the only guy who plays his heart out every shift he gets to EDM! the only guy who ignites the crowd at MSG! who actually gets some emotion flowing, enough that his name is chanted! whose production, pro-rated, puts him in the top three goals scorers on the team!

    this is why beer me is such an unintentional comedian.

  109. Voice of Reason on

    So based on Renney’s actions, he’s saying the reason the Rangers lost to the Caps was Korpikoski.

    Or that the Power Play needed Voros. How come the Power Play sucked all the other games Voros dressed???????????????

    PLEASE GET RID OF THIS MAN….PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!

  110. wd40
    January 5th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
    bingo, that’s the ticket, trade the only guy who plays his heart out every shift he gets to EDM! the only guy who ignites the crowd at MSG! who actually gets some emotion flowing, enough that his name is chanted! whose production, pro-rated, puts him in the top three goals scorers on the team!

    Good post. I couldn’t have said it better myself.

  111. CCCP

    Do you think Therien will put Malkin & Cindy on the PK? LOL If so then you should win your bet :P

  112. They actually shoulda traded prucha last season when they coulda gotten something else they needed.

    If you want to get back the pieces you need, you have to trade something of value. That simple.

    Peter Prucha is NOT a 1st line winger in the NHL. Peter Prucha is part of a group of 6-7 2nd & 3rd liners on the NYR. He is only 26, his contract expires at the end of this season.

    You trade him as soon as he gets hot.

  113. Who Needs Lohan on

    most teams do yes. most teams play better after their coach is fired too! Right Beer Me?????????????

  114. Most teams don’t lohan. Only the ones that succeed are remembered though.

    How many coaches did we go through over the last 10 years? Where did it get us?

  115. Lohan

    While I usually agree with that last statement. TB didnt really make a case for your argument :(

  116. I can’t believe how great the devils did a few years back when they fired Claude Julien?

    How’s he doin now? Must be a horrible coach.

  117. Scratching Korpi is just the latest illustration of why Renney is incapable of running this team with any degree of long-term success. You people that are so quick to dismiss Korpi as a 4th-liner are imbeciles. This is his 1st real experience with the varsity, and he’s already shown that he’s very strong on the puck, is a good skater, a hard-worker, and has a hard shot. If you had any hockey sense, and spent some time actually watching the games instead of coming on here to bitch about everything, you’d see things you can’t know just from looking at the numbers. Folks complain about the need to give the youth a chance — well, here’s a perfect opportunity to let a kid with some upside develop some chemistry with a young center like Dubi. Give Dubi, Zherdev and Korpikoski a few games of real ice time and see what they do together. But yet again, at a time when the focus should be on building, we watch Renney and his brain trust deconstruct.

  118. MAKO…

    I bet extra $1 for each time Cindy or Malkin is on the ice killing penalty…

    also, look whos coaching TB… and that team just got some sort of internal issues… so cant really have them as an example

  119. Who Needs Lohan on

    In your honest opinion BeerMe, whether its temporary or not, would the NYR surge with a coaching change?

  120. 22figure8
    January 5th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
    Yeah, the Rangers played great after Roger Neilson was fired and Tortorella came in to finish the collapse.

    It was Ron Smith. Geez get a clue on Rangers history. Torts coached the last few games of the 99-00 season. Neil Smith wanted to fire Muckler early that year and replace him with Torts but Checketts veteoed him.

  121. Vancouver did worse after renney, worse after keenan too.

    Philly fired hitchcock after a 1-6-1 start. Finished the season last in the entire NHL.

    There’s no proven success in mid-season coaching changes. There a mistake.

  122. Who Needs Lohan on

    I dont think we have the right personel here that is for sure. But at the same time…this team needs a kick in the ass….

  123. Beer Me!
    January 5th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
    They actually shoulda traded prucha last season when they coulda gotten something else they needed.

    If you want to get back the pieces you need, you have to trade something of value. That simple.

    Peter Prucha is NOT a 1st line winger in the NHL. Peter Prucha is part of a group of 6-7 2nd & 3rd liners on the NYR. He is only 26, his contract expires at the end of this season.

    You trade him as soon as he gets hot
    That’s absurd. You’ve got a brutal offensive team and you wanna trade away a guy that can score? Prucha imo is a second liner that can score 25 goals if he gets pp time.

  124. Lohan – In my honest opinion?

    I think this team would have the same success with or without a new coach mid-season.

    The variable in this is that the roster would have to stay exactly the same.

    I think moving Redden or Rozy or Gomer or Dru would have more of an impact. And would also fill a gaping hole on the ice. Pick one.

  125. graves – I’ll respect your opinion, and would expect the same. That said…do you think he’ll be a Ranger opening night next season?

    Tony Amonte was playing some really good hockey at a really young age when he was traded for 2 nobody’s.

    Marion Hossa was traded last season. Arguably the best offensive player on ATL at the time. I say arguably b/c I think his game is more rounded than Kovy’s.

    Wayne Gretzky was traded.

    There’s no absurdity to trading him at this point. IMO.

  126. CCCP

    I was just making a point. Whatever their issues are, firing Melrose didnt do anything for the club. Usually clubs “turn it around” when their head coach is fired. Not in this case…. ;)

  127. See, that’s just it Lohan. With obvious holes in the roster, we’re really f’n lucky that this team was ready to go out of the gates with a roster that wasn’t picked to do much more than finish mid-pack. Which is where they very well could. I just don’t get why everyone’s all up in arms over the team playing to where they were expected to. This wasn’t a cup-team in Sept. Why would it be now? A new coach does not make this team better than Boston or San Jose or Detroit.

  128. Here’s what we know: They don’t play hard. They don’t have a clue when without the puck in their own end. They have 12 shorties against. They have almost as many bench minors. The PK has been really good, but has slipped as Hank’s play has slipped (I think that tells you something). The PP is a league-wide embarrassment. The lines remain in chaos.

    Do any of these problems, culled from a vastly longer list, NOT fall at the feet of the head coach?

  129. If my wishes come true, Gomez, Redden and Kalinin are somehow all traded as salary dumps, but we get Hossa in the offseason, as well as re-sign Zherdev, Cally, Mara and Dubi, and Anisimov is ready next year..

    That or we dump Gomez/Redden for Kovalchuk and have him with Z and Ani next year.

    I CAN DREAM DAMMIT!

  130. Beer

    I think the most expendable is moving Redden. There is always an upside to Gomez & Drury – I just dont know what that is yet LOL. With Redden you cant get much worse, well there is Kalinin. Potter would be the go to option. But 3 of those 4 players you mention cant really be moved.

  131. Mako – I totally agree with that. And I hope Gomer’s here for the length of his contract, if not more.

    This team has roughly $25mil(annual cap hit) tied up in 2 centers and 2 dmen.

    Regardless of ability, that doesn’t make any sense.

    Take $7mil of that and call it Marion Hossa on Gomer’s wing, and bye-bye PP problems.

  132. Beer it all depends on how his season ends. It also depends if Renney is back next year.

  133. why do people say that renney should be in youth development? he shouldn’t be anywhere near our younger players

  134. Yeah, I f’ed up the timeline with Torts, but I think ‘ve got a clue on Rangers history.

    Watching the game vs Caps, I was thinking how nice it’d be to see the Rangers play with the same fire as the Caps. While I don’t praise or bash Renney, I’m sick of seeing FIRE RENNEY in evey other post. If he doesn’t get far in the playoffs, he’ll be gone.

  135. Who Needs Lohan on

    Rudolph wrote…

    January 5th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
    Here’s what we know: They don’t play hard. They don’t have a clue when without the puck in their own end. They have 12 shorties against. They have almost as many bench minors. The PK has been really good, but has slipped as Hank’s play has slipped (I think that tells you something). The PP is a league-wide embarrassment. The lines remain in chaos.

    Do any of these problems, culled from a vastly longer list, NOT fall at the feet of the head coach?

    BeerMe, what is your response to this? Yes, the personnel is far from ideal but dont you think this team is better than the effort you see each night?

    If I put that kinda effort into my job I would be fired. And here I am sitting here at work blogging about the Rangers. Oh sh!t, back to work!

  136. I have to be honest…I don’t think Voros back in the line-up and Korpedo out does a damn thing. I don’t see why everyone has there panties in a bunch. Seriously its still the same story…
    Now Renney thinking its gonna change the PP is funny though. What difference does it make if Voros is camped out in front of the net? The puck never gets to the front anyway, hell it barely ever gets across the blue line.
    But don’t worry guys if Renney sits Orr tonight, Pillow Man Redden has the teams back…

  137. “…There’s no proven success in mid-season coaching changes. There a mistake…”…..at least they get a head start on next season, if that’s the case.

  138. Rob – He’s largely responsible for the young players on this team. Sorry to break it to you, but he was the director of player development when these guys were drafted.

    Graves – It’s all in that phrase. “It depends how this season ends.” I think you move the players you can, and see where it takes you. Re-assess when they tell you you’re schedules over.

  139. A mere 2 years ago, post-sweep via the Devils, the Rangers had more promise than any other team in the league, along with an abundance of young talent to call upon for the future. Most agreed, we were arguably one or two players away from being a SERIOUS cup contender.

    Fast forward to the present, we’re hanging on by a thread to even salvage this season.

    Glen Sather made every single WRONG move possible between 2005’s end and now. He actually managed to make the team worse with every addition. You actually have to TRY to do that.

    We didn’t need Chris Drury — Scott Gomez was enough. We didn’t need Wade Redden — Rossival was enough. We didn’t need Aaron Voros or Patrick Rissmiller or Dan Fritsche — arguably, Ryan Hollweg was enough. We didn’t need Marcus Naslund — Brendan Shannahan was enough.

    He lets our STAR walk in Jagr and the fan favorite and catalyst Avery walk as well; doesn’t pursue Orpik, doesn’t get into the bidding for Boyle and doesn’t impress Hossa.

    So, what did this guy do?

    He gave Tom Renney a patchwork lineup and said “here, do something with this.”

  140. 22figure8, at this rate there’s a really live shot they don’t make the playoffs. of course all the droolers already have their built-in excuses should that happen.

  141. Heres a thought, we all hear about THE SYSTEM and how the players coming up from Hartford fit right in HA HA When it comes to regressing young talent and actuaully impeading their progress Renny and HIS SYSTEM are to blame. Did you ever wonder why Ken Genander WHO couldnt even make a Rangers team when they SUCKED is the coach of our talented youth.The problem is from the top down its like a plague of Yes Men announcers included who damn this team and orginazation to mediocracy.Total Anarchy is the only solution

  142. Also, who gives a damn about who plays and who sits.

    They’re all THIRD and FOURTH LINE PLAYERS!!!!!

    This is a team of THIRD and FOURTH LINE PLAYERS! Lori Korpikoski is a fourth line player, so is Aaron Voros; do you really think it matters which is in the lineup?

    This is what we have to pick from?

    Let’s start Patrick Rissmiller.

    It’s the top two lines and then {Insert Whoever}

  143. wd40…can you say draft pick…maybe we trade up to number 1.
    hehe but then again Sather will probably f*ck that up too

  144. Kurt, if these players were so “talented”, a system wouldn’t regress them.

    Talent is talent.

  145. Beer

    I agree with that as well. And reading about next years cap woes would put the Wings in a sketchy predicament. Zetterberg, Samuelsson, Hudler, Franzen & Conklin are all up in their contract. Hudler being a RFA. If Hossa gets his cup this year? Will he be willing to go to a different team? If Hossa comes CLOSE to getting his cup, will he want to stay another season with the Wings?

    Its insane how much money is tied up in 4 players…. :(

  146. Who Needs Lohan on

    Having to decide between Renney and Sather at who is worse is equivalent to having to pick between Hussein and Ahmadinejad.

  147. “BeerMe, what is your response to this? Yes, the personnel is far from ideal but dont you think this team is better than the effort you see each night?”

    Honestly lohan? I don’t know, I hope so. I know that we play 82, not 40. And no trophies are given out in January. But I DO believe that this teams record before dropping of the last 5…when we were 22-10-3, is better than ANYONE predicted.

    Just too laid back to panic in January. Actually…I think our 6-5-1 record last month was the best Dec we’ve had post-lockout. (did I say that already today?)

  148. Brandon

    “Hanging on by a thread?” Come on arent you being a little over dramatic. The last 3 season the Rangers have played their best hockey in the 2nd half of the season. So dont give up on them. There is plenty of hockey to be played…. be happy they started out well and have their problems NOW and not in March & April.

  149. Brandon do you have a Tom Renny poster on your wall PLEEZ you make me wanna puke. Renny had every input into this team and his lackey Pearn was behind Redden. Yes Slats is as much to blame but lets face it ” TOM CLUELESS ” is still WELL CLUELESS

  150. brandon, a “system” absolutely can “regress” a player. Look at Kovalev. Campbell thought tim sweeney was twice the player, so he goes to pitt where they played him 25 minutes a game and he finally “developed.” talent is squandered all the time by rotten coaching. See prucha, petr.

  151. Brandon hit it. It really should be FIRE SATHER but we know that’s not happening. Glen “anybody can win with that payroll” Sather tried to buy every free agent and that got us out of the playoffs. Then the lockout comes and he tries a jr Devils approach. The guy blows. He won his cups at Edmonton and him coming here is no different than all of the other, past their prime, overpriced old players that have been here before.

    F-Dolan

  152. Mako – Detroit’s cap troubles next year could be 1 of 2 things.

    1) Make them mortal again.
    2) Make every single player in the NHL look like a bunch of greedy mf’rs. Almost every guy on that team makes below their market value.

  153. No one ever argued Kovalev wasn’t talented. Teams wanted him; they still do.

    Sometimes players need a change a scenery or can benefit from playing in a different system, but to say that a “system” can totally and completely ruin a hockey player is absurd. At the end of the day, it’s up to said player to perform. These guys make A LOT of money. I don’t know about you, but I can’t just walk up to my boss and say “well, I don’t want to work under your system; I’d do better with this boss, trade me to his team.” They’d fire me.

    For better or worse, I have to a job to do every day and so do these guys.

    The kovalev example is terrible. Everyone in the league knew he had talent; everyone wanted him; everyone still does. He didn’t get along with Campbell, point period. He needed a change of scenery, not a change of system.

  154. Beer Me!
    January 5th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
    Most teams don’t lohan. Only the ones that succeed are remembered though.
    How many coaches did we go through over the last 10 years? Where did it get us?

    Beer, i respect you, but honestly that is a dumb comment. Get a clue. Who cares if they didn’t respond positively to their coach getting fired, in those days the players came there to make money, and retire. Winning wasn’t something they wanted to do, they just didn’t care. Those teams couldn’t make the playoffs, the last 3 Ranger teams, along with this one can make the playoffs, and win the Cup, if they try hard enough. They all love Renney, at least the Vets do for the obvious reason, and i wanna see how they respond when the coach that they love oh so much, is fired. Sometimes you gotta do things like that to get your players going.

    Now, for the Voros situation. I have no problem with this, im curious to see how he responds to being scratched for the first time, but in place of Korpikoski? How is that the right move? Chris Dreary has not even done a positive thing in his last few games, ever since the Cali trip, so why does he get to stay in the lineup over Korpikoski?

    Tom Foolery needs to get fired, cause he’s dragging this team down, anyone who thinks otherwise doesn’t have a brain, and must be abusing drugs. Also, you know what, if they fire him, and that leads to nowhere, then who cares, cause that just means this team wasn’t good enough, and maybe that will make Sather unload some of these waste’s, and buy these ridiculous contracts out.

  155. The idea being set forth here by the Renney brigade that poor Tom knew he was going to struggle heading into this year is as wrong as it is insulting to anyone with a memory.

    Go back to the pre-season and read his quotes! He was thrilled with the make-up of this roster!

  156. That is why they are an elite team…

    Mostly every player on their KNOWS they have a shot at winning a cup every single year (must be a great feeling) and they take below what their worth would be in the free market.

    The sadist in me wonders what they would be like with LQ between the pipes.

  157. Mako,

    I meant “hanging on by a thread” as just a way of exaggerating. I think we’ll make the playoffs, but let’s get real — Glen needs to man up and waive all this dead weight so we can get serious about making a trade.

    Time to suck up the ego.

  158. graves – worst excuse ever. Seriously.

    If it didn’t matter, then why was there a revolving door?

    “Who cares if they didn’t respond positively to their coach getting fired,…”

    “Winning wasn’t something they wanted to do, they just didn’t care.”

    Firing coach after coach for almost a decade was extremely detrimental to the future of the franchise at that time.

  159. “Go back to the pre-season and read his quotes! He was thrilled with the make-up of this roster!”

    Find a coach that’s ever said otherwise. Just one quote will do. Thanks.

  160. Brandon

    Well, I wish there was a way to do it. But we are stuck with these players. Unless things become so bad that management leans on them to waive their NTC. Which I really dont see happening.

  161. Brandon, you must be Renney’s son, or just Renney in disguise. Sather is to blame for bringing these players in, but Renney is the worst. Lundqvist is the reason why he has coached this long. Without him, who knows what he’d be doing right now.

  162. mako – Sometimes I wonder what LQ would look like on most teams! Nothin wrong with that!

    I’d trade LQ for AO. Anyday of the week. Twice on sunday.

  163. brandon, ha right, the kovalev example is terrible — for you! because it wrecked your argument

  164. Beer Me! I cannot tell if you are the original Beer Me! but I coulda sworn that last year you said you were not going to post here too often. Now I see you as maybe every other post on the board….is that really you Beer and did you go back on your previous statement of not posting here?

  165. Western Canada Survivor on

    I’m not going to disagree that Sather has made some crippling moves, but I can’t give Renney a pass and here’s why. Boston is 13 points ahead of us and can anybody on this board actually say that Boston has better players that we do? New Jersey is tied with us without Marty Brodeur! I hate to break it but the Eastern Conference is not that good this year and most teams do not have the roster we have.

    We are first in the east in too-many-men on the ice penalties; obviously first in the league in shorthanded goals against; 25th on the power play; negative goal differential…the list goes on. You don’t sign Gomez, Drury, Naslund, etc to get to the 2nd round every year. This team needs a coach that can hold them accountable. Look at the Blackhawks. Same team this year and last year. They made a ballsy move by firing Savard and they have been brilliant under Quenneville.

    Renney is simply not the right man for this job and I have been saying this for three years.

  166. Beer

    OOOOOH…. Now THAT made me smile :) As much as I love LQ, AO has my “hockey heart” LOL

  167. ford – meant quotes, not names. Anyone from a team that isn’t on record as being in a rebuild process? 1?

    newman – It’s me, this time. But it’s been very very seldom since around xmas time. The story never changes here. Ahh…the good ‘ole days.

  168. Beer the prior few posts bashing you was bob posing as me. I don’t attack people like that.

  169. Western Canada Survivor on

    Some other pressing questions:
    To repeat-why is Colton Orr in the lineup every night? Fritsche has 4 points in 15 games, Sjostrom has 4 points in 38 games. Why does Sjostrom play every game?
    Why is nobody ever double shifted (i.e. Zherdev)?
    Why was Lauri Korpikoski on our first line-talk about setting up a kid for failure?

  170. Beer, do you honestly believe that Renney can bring this team to the Cup finals? He is to nice to these players, with the way he treats his Vets. He lets THEM run the team. Shanahan was hurt, Renney wanted to play Parenteau, but Shanahan kept saying he was alright and he wanted to play, so Renney played him, and made him worse. He continues to endlessly ruin Prucha’s career, and still is doing it after he scored two goals in the last two games. Why move him with Dreay who has been terrible? Move him with Gomez, and Naslund. All the times he let Jagr run the PP, instead of changing things up, and he still does it, not changing things up. He clearly cant motivate his Veteran players, where was Gomez, and Dreay, and Shanahan, after the Devils series? Nowhere to be found, leaving Lundqvist and Jagr all alone to do all the work.

    This guy is a BAD COACH, through, and through. Im tired of his ridiculous quotes, and his pathetic excuses. Im sick that his Vet players like Dreary think blowing a 4 goal lead doesn’t matter, and at least they survived enough to get a point, and how Goemz thinks blowing a 5 goal lead these days is kind of funny. This team makes me sick, and its all Renney’s fault. The only players that care on this team are the ones that don’t make a lot of money, and are not overpaid, and the ones that took pay cuts to sign with this team. Everyone else just wants their paycheck.

    THAT is what Renney gets out of his team. Its up to Sather to do the smartest thing he has done since getting Avery, and that’s firing Renney.

  171. You know my viewpoints anyway Newman, we’re all essentially broken records. I’m sure you can tell when it’s me or not, right?

  172. I couldn’t even imagine to say there’s massive groups of players out there in any sport that don’t play to win. yeah they’ll go for the most money and all that, but its not like they line-up for the opening face-off and say “gee I hope we lose 5-0 tonight, just as long as I don’t break a sweat”…

  173. graves9
    January 5th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
    Brandon, you must be Renney’s son, or just Renney in disguise. Sather is to blame for bringing these players in, but Renney is the worst. Lundqvist is the reason why he has coached this long. Without him, who knows what he’d be doing right now.

    bob why the hell are you pulling this shit again? Seriously get freaking help.

  174. bobgraves9
    January 5th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
    Beer, do you honestly believe that Renney can bring this team to the Cup finals? He is to nice to these players, with the way he treats his Vets. He lets THEM run the team. Shanahan was hurt, Renney wanted to play Parenteau, but Shanahan kept saying he was alright and he wanted to play, so Renney played him, and made him worse. He continues to endlessly ruin Prucha’s career, and still is doing it after he scored two goals in the last two games. Why move him with Dreay who has been terrible? Move him with Gomez, and Naslund. All the times he let Jagr run the PP, instead of changing things up, and he still does it, not changing things up. He clearly cant motivate his Veteran players, where was Gomez, and Dreay, and Shanahan, after the Devils series? Nowhere to be found, leaving Lundqvist and Jagr all alone to do all the work.

    This guy is a BAD COACH, through, and through. Im tired of his ridiculous quotes, and his pathetic excuses. Im sick that his Vet players like Dreary think blowing a 4 goal lead doesn’t matter, and at least they survived enough to get a point, and how Goemz thinks blowing a 5 goal lead these days is kind of funny. This team makes me sick, and its all Renney’s fault. The only players that care on this team are the ones that don’t make a lot of money, and are not overpaid, and the ones that took pay cuts to sign with this team. Everyone else just wants their paycheck.

    THAT is what Renney gets out of his team. Its up to Sather to do the smartest thing he has done since getting Avery, and that’s firing Renney.

    Another post posing as me. Bob can you please drop dead?

  175. typical beer me: “Find a coach that’s ever said otherwise.”

    followed by the scramble back:

    “Anyone from a team that isn’t on record as being in a rebuild process?”

    classic!

  176. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    Gooooo Rangersssssss , whoohoooooooo anyone wanna bet ?? bet bet bet?

  177. You know what the Graves imposter might just be orr. I’m still thinking it’s bob but it might be orr. Anyway I’m out for an hour or so if you see any posts by my name know it’s bob posing as me.

  178. graves – appreciate the heads up on that. This blog has seen FAR better days.

    “This team makes me sick, and its all Renney’s fault.”

    All I can tell you is that maybe you should just follow basketball or something then. Sorry to hear.

    “Beer, do you honestly believe that Renney can bring this team to the Cup finals?”

    Tough question. I’d say no. Because I don’t think any coach could make the finals with this “roster”. “Team”? Sure. “These players”? No.

  179. Whether or not Tom Renney is the right man for the job, it doesn’t really matter until we bring in some players who are above third line caliber. Or, at least start paying guys what they’re worth so we can sign a guy that’s above third line caliber.

    IMO, Chris Drury is a third liner. I’ll probably get some heat for this, but I really believe it. I watch him night in and night out and don’t really see too many differences between a guy like him and a guy like Ryan Callahan, who’s having a MUCH better season then Dru.

    Drury is the kind of guy you need on a team to win championships, but he can’t log first line minutes and doesn’t do dick on the power play. He’s like a really good 7/8 spot hitter in the lineup. Occassionally you expect him to come up with a clutch him, but he’s not going to belt 40 bombs and put you on his back in the ALCS.

    On the flip side, Scott Gomez can play first line, but we haven’t brought in anyone that he can play with, which leads me to believe he can’t play with ANYONE, so he’s really not a first line player either.

    So, who is a first line player on this team?

    EVERY single team in the Eastern Conference has a first line player but us (well, except for the fishticks).

    Plain and simple, we don’t have any talent.

    There’s no coach in the world that could come in and right this ship. First, it starts with personnel, then it ends with coaching.

  180. wd – You musta taken lessons from Salty. Always looking for a way to spin a conversation. The intent of my post was clear. If it went over your head, I apologize. If I could draw pictures on here I would for you to understand.

    There’s no chance you find a coach with a team that finished between 1-20 in the NHL last season that would say he doesn’t like the players on his team. Not one.

  181. Anybody going to the game, please start a “Fire Renney” chant. Id love to hear that, and see the look on that wormy c*ck s*ckers face.

    Graves9, could you please stop posting as me ? This is my name, LMAO. Im not gonna stop, i had this name a few years ago, then you came along and used it, and told me to use graves99, or something like that. So now im back, and i want my name back.

    Im not bob, for your information. Im definitely not bob, im actually smarter than that dolt.

  182. Almost every post finishes like this
    “Renney has to get fired”
    “Fire Renney”
    “Renney is the worst”
    “Tom Foolery needs to get fired”
    to the casual reader, I wish you all knew how fuckin dumb you sound. You would think you’d get sick of saying it by now! There is nothing new to say so just say the same old stuff, and guess what nothing is changing or going to change at least not till the end of the season so for at least the next 4 months we are going to have to read the same shit over and over and over again.
    I’ll still scan the posts for the very few thoughtful, common sense non knee jerk posters but for the most part, this blog has become irrelevant.

  183. when the same situation is going on for way too long, it’s okay to perseverate “renney needs to go”

  184. amen broken record.

    Sam is even starting to feed into it.

    “Head Scratcher”? No, not really.

  185. Western Canada Survivor on

    See I just can’t agree with the argument that we don’t have the talent to compete in the Eastern Conference. With the exception of maybe Philadelphia and at times Pittsburgh, the Eastern Conference is the definition of parity. Plus Henrik Lundqvist has the tools to be the best goalie in the East (he is certainly paid to play that way even if he has more off nights than most) and that should be a real competitive advantage in the playoffs.

    Under great coaching, guys like Wheeler, Lucic, Krejci, and Hunwick are killing it up in Boston, but look at how much Dawes and Dubinsky have struggled this year; Korpikoski gets consistently benched. The Bruins aren’t even completely healthy and we have lost only like 5 man games to injuries!

    Might I also add that we nearly missed the playoffs the last two seasons and only made them because of some serious March winning streaks.

    There is a reason Renney has been a career junior coach.

  186. Western Canada Survivor on

    I don’t think my Renney posts sound dumb-but perhaps repetitive considering I’ve been calling for this guy’s head since 2006. I would agree though that he is not going anywhere, but to some of you on the board, when you invest over 2k per year in season tickets, your expectations are a little higher than this consistent BS every year.

  187. beer me, intent? the intent of the original post was to point out that Renney thought this year’s roster would be better than last year’s! which of course undermines your brown-nose drooling that he has had nothing to work with.

    you’re a wriggler and a weasel-worder, but to each his own.

  188. Beer Me

    With respect, the broken record is the mindless defense of the coaching staff by people like you —- no matter how much contrary evidence piles up out there on the ice for all to see.

    You are saying the same things you said months ago, while the effort and cohesion and integrity of the team has gone right into the toilet.

    Broken record? Hardly — every dau brings fresh material for those who see Renney is in over his head. The only broken record I hear is the excuses that keep getting trotted out to protect the coach, no matter what.

  189. “I can’t believe how great the devils did a few years back when they fired Claude Julien?

    How’s he doin now? Must be a horrible coach.”

    Beer me! 1-05-09

    Beer me! thats the point man…they went to the second round of the playoffs that year…thats as far as we have ever gone…you rememebr that as a failure???

    talk to me man…

    Gotta go soon

    Go rangers!!

  190. kaspar, i think beer me might be taking an eight count after that one ….. by the way, Julien’s replacement swept the Rangers in the first round that year.

  191. bull dog line on

    beer me,
    i know it was quite a few posts back, but i have comment on youre tony amonte traded for two nobodys comment. those two nobodys were brian noonan, and stephan matteau. two very important players in the rangers cup run of 94.

  192. You fellows can complain about Renney all you want, he’s not going anywhere. I doubt Sather would deny him the chance to become the only head coach in the Eastern Conference to make the playoffs four consecutive seasons. So, in the meantime, enjoy the wins and accept the losses.

  193. Honest question,

    Do you guys (as in pretty much everyone but Beer and I) feel Renney being fired is a priority over Dan Fritsche getting waived or Wade Redden traded, or Brendan Shannahan even, signed?

    As in, you feel good about going into the playoffs with this team with a new coach?

    Conversly, I’d MUCH prefer to go into the playoffs with a different team with a few new players and Renney as the coach.

  194. bull dog line on

    brandon,
    it is alot easier to fire the coach.you have to find a willing partner to trade, and hope they have what you need. i think the fireing renney has more to do with being tired of the rangers going one and out in the playoffs, and that is where they are heading again. the anti renney people see that, the pro renney people dont.

  195. If I were GM for a day… Clearly, this would give me no time to make a BIG trade, so just the small relatively easy moves I would make.

    What I would do:

    – Immediately waive Dan Fristche, Dmitri Kalinin and Aaron Voros, no questions asked.

    – Bring up both Dan Potter and Bobby Sanguinetti (ready or not, for better or worse)

    – Make a real hard sell to Dallas to trade Wade Redden and a prospect for Sean Avery.

    – Send Lori Korpikoski back down to Hartford, bring up Anisimov.

    – Sign Brendan Shannahan

  196. Hahahahaha…. Torts replaced Roger Neilson, Hahahaha, that’s great. His excuse was he mistaken the time line, yeah, by 7 years and 3 head coaches. Classic.

  197. bull dog – how can you say that we’re headed for “one and out in the playoffs”? we have no idea what could happen in the playoffs.

    Granted, the team isn’t looking that scary to play against. And the way things look right now, I’d be happy to make the 2nd round with the team as it is. But you never know what could happen 3 months from now.

    Look at San Jose. They’ve kicked ASS in the regular season each year and tanked in the playoffs. who knows if they’ll change that this year or not?

  198. – Immediately waive Dan Fristche, Dmitri Kalinin and Aaron Voros, no questions asked.
    – Bring up both Dan Potter and Bobby Sanguinetti (ready or not, for better or worse)
    – Make a real hard sell to Dallas to trade Wade Redden and a prospect for Sean Avery.
    – Send Lori Korpikoski back down to Hartford, bring up Anisimov.
    – Sign Brendan Shannahan

    AGREE WITH ALL…EXCEPT THE PROSPECT GOING FOR AVERY

    sorry for caps

  199. bull dog line on

    brandon,
    i would not waive voros, i think he has more value than given credit for. agree with you on the D, and avery, leave korpikoski up. he doesn’t need to play every game, but he is getting good experience when he does. it might be to late for shanahan to help, i think that ship has sailed.

  200. ford January 5th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
    Broken record? Hardly—- every dau brings fresh material for those who see Renney is in over his head. The only broken record I hear is the excuses that keep getting trotted out to protect the coach, no matter what.

    Ford I’m looking for the fresh material. I still see Renney coaching, I see less and less excuses and I’m on board for Renney to go…but this board and its posts for the most part are the same every day. Whats laughable is the incessant “fire renney” crowd consistanly calling for his head. it’s like running into a brick wall, your never gonna get thru it. You are powerless, and until someone WHO MATTERS sees the problems and makes the necessary front office changes your only going to running into that wall.

  201. “Look at San Jose. They’ve kicked ASS in the regular season each year and tanked in the playoffs. who knows if they’ll change that this year or not?”

    Jeever 1-05-09

    The San Jose Sharks are the A-rods of hockey

    I dont care if they go 70-6-6….until they go to frickin final I dont wanna hear any of these talking heads “oh they are very deep and very talented and very fast and very hard hitting bla bla blah”

    win a second round series well-ya?

  202. newman – fritsche was part of the z deal not a free agent and we got rid of backman as part of that deal so no complaints there. of course redden, rozy and kalinin signings were another story entirely

  203. Brandon, I’d consider that question more seriously if there was even the faintest possibility anyone, anywhere, would take Wade Redden’s contract.

  204. Question:

    If there is virtually no possibility that any team will trade for Redden, why can’t we waive him?

    Glen’s ego aside, give me one reason we should not?

    Burke did it with Schneider in Anaheim; others have done it as well.

    I mean, why not?

    He’s not helping the cause and he’s not helping our cap situation, so we might as well fold the hand and save our chips for a bigger pot.

  205. Western Canada Survivor on

    Take or leave my Renney comments. What might be just as disconcerting is that we have a spectral General Manager/President. Guys like Brian Burke and Ken Holland, championship calibre GMs are always available to the press and are always visibly evaluating their teams. Last year, Sather made one public interview and it was to the friggin Edmonton Journal! His seeming disinterst and ineptitude does not make me feel very comfortable at this juncture in time.

  206. Broken Record

    Powerless, of course. But maybe only to a point. Because when even a sweetheart like Sam Weinman begins to question Renney in a way that was unthinkable even three months ago, I think it is because he is hearing from many diehard fans who are appalled by the effort, lack of accountability, etc.

    I’m simply saying that the question of Renney’s incompetence is now in the air, it is discussed around the league, it is not bottled up in some forbidden hidden spot.
    And I think a small reason for that is due to forums like this where the man on the street can be heard. And that man over all is not happy about the way this team is managed or coached. And I think that filters upward. A little, anyhow.

  207. Western Canada; I’ll shamlessly defer to an old post of mine:

    While other GMs are watching film and scouting players, Glen Sather is fishing and smoking cigars.

    While other GMs are on the phones trying to strike deals, Glen Sather is shining his knob to pictures of the 1980 Oilers

  208. while i hate renney as a coach and sather as a gm, the only chance anything really changes with this team is for them to continue to lose and not make the playoffs. Dolan is an idiot and the only way he will make sather do anything is for them not to make the playoffs at all. i hate to say i want the rangers to lose, but it would be in this team’s best interests now and going forward for them not to make the playoffs.

  209. Brandon, who’s Dan Potter ? Does Cory have a brother down in the farm that i don’t know about ? I wouldn’t get rid of Voros, but Fritsche i would.

    Graves9, lmao, if you think Orr is copying your name, then why not just copy his name, ya loser.

  210. I hope this team loses every game or the majority of the season, i would love to have a shot at getting Tavares, or Hedman. Of course, we can draft one of those two, and they will become stars, and we wont have the money to resign them, lmao, go figure, huh ? Good job Sather.

  211. Graves 09,

    I meant to call him “Harry Potter”. I don’t call him Cory. Thanks for pointing that out though.

  212. brandon your 3:43 post

    hollweg and shanny were enough?

    ENOUGH FOR WHAT – they were the 2 worst players in the playoffs last yr

  213. Happy New Year Rangers Reporties

    Pretty interesting news regarding Avery… I would have paid a lot of money to be at that party and witness that interaction, not to mention it was probably a pretty ridic party if that many “high profile” NHLers decided that was the place to be in NYC.

    Aside from that, not much to say. Even I will admit it’s broken record time around here for both sides of the Renney fence, although it does make me laugh to see almost everyone coming around and finally facing the facts.

    this is a great post by ford.

    *With respect, the broken record is the mindless defense of the coaching staff by people like you——no matter how much contrary evidence piles up out there on the ice for all to see.

    You are saying the same things you said months ago, while the effort and cohesion and integrity of the team has gone right into the toilet.

    Broken record? Hardly—- every day brings fresh material for those who see Renney is in over his head. The only broken record I hear is the excuses that keep getting trotted out to protect the coach, no matter what.*

    Well said.

  214. LI Joe,

    I’d take Ryan Hollweg and Brendan Shannahan over Patrick Rissmiller, Dan Fritsche and Aaron Voros ANY DAY of the week.

  215. All the teams in the east have weaknesses….Pascal Dupuis is on the freakin FIRST LINE in Pittsburgh. Boston’s goalie didn’t play in the NHL until he was like 30, and Washingtons goalies are weak and unproven.

    Anybody talking about “First Line Players”, what do you mean by that? Who are those guys in Boston? Marc Savard? David Krejci (in basically his 2nd season)? Phil Kessel (who was a -18 in his first two seasons, while getting half a point a game)????

    There are very few guys out there that are the first line players anybody here talks about. Kovalchuck, Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, Chara, and a handful of other guys that are all-stars year after year. Get used to it. Most teams have none of those guys. Some have one, and the Penguins, Wings, and maybe the Ducks have more than one.

    Even with the nonsense sather has pulled, this team is, top to bottom, pretty much right up there with any in the East talent-wise.

    Coaching makes a big difference in hockey, not just in the X’s and O’s, but also in the motivation and mood of the room.

    This team lacks leadership both in the suits behind the bench, and the uniforms on the bench. Bring in a coach who will breathe some fire, and you’ll see a better team. Drury played hard for Lindy Ruff, yet he looks like a zombie here after just 3 months without Shanny and Jagr leading the team.

    The team needs nothing more than an energy infusion. Just as they play better defense in front of Vally, they’ll play better for a new coach.

    remember, 90% of the game is half mental!

  216. I’m back if anyone believed the last 3-4 posts of gibberish was me they’re lost. FakeGraves we never chatted go back to posting as bob would ya?

  217. NYRanger4Life on

    Why do people keep suggesting Tort’s would take over for Renney should he be canned?

    Torts is on record to have said that he would not be interested in the rangers gig should his good friend Tom Renney be fired….

  218. wd (not trying to pick on you), but where have you heard anything about “Renney’s incompetence is now in the air, it is discussed around the league”…?

    I read The Hockey News magazine, a recent edition listed the 100 most inflential people in hockey, listing people from media, players, coaches, GMS, owners, commissioners of other leagues, and other people “influential” to the game. They listed Renney, in a positive light (I think he was listed in the 60s or 70s somewhere).

    I’m not saying I agree with it 100%, but that’s a completely impartial view on Renney and what he’s done with the Rangers. And they seem to think he’s doing a fairly good job.

  219. Salty, well first welcome back, I guess
    also for those of you with low level comprehension, I stated I don’t like Renney, but we all or most get it, he needs to be fired. But every day I come on here and I read the same thing. Its recycled posts from the day before. There hasn’t been a fresh thought or idea on this blog since September.
    its awful, and you all sound like broken records sorry but you do.

  220. Sore and True,

    Think you left quite a few players off you’re pretty modest list:

    How about?

    Alexei Kovalav, Adrei Kostsysin, Vincent Lecavalier, Martin St. Louis, Zach Parise, Eric Staal, Thomas Vanek, Nathan Horton, David Booth, Dan Briere, Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, Danny Alfreddson, Jason Spezza, Danny Heatley and Nik Antropov… just to name a few.

    Those are FIRST LINERS

    We had Jaromir Jagr. Now we have a team of third liners.

    Id also argue that Boston has a team of second line players; I also think they’re going to be much more average the second half of the season.

    They do have Milan lucic.

  221. mako – actually it’s 5 players the cash is tied up in – have to include Henrik (not talking results just cash outlay)

  222. LI Joe

    No we were talking about the dead weight or “underachievers” of ‘players’ not LQ who are on this team. I dont mind the cash that is tied up in our franchise goaltender who was Vezina nominated 3 years straight. Unfortunately, this was his year to win it because of Marty’s injury. But, hands down Nabokov is sure to win this year.

  223. beerme – re your 4:02

    didn’t ron wilson say the leafs were essentially in rebuild mode

  224. Brandon,

    you kind of proved my point by putting Kovalev up there. He was here 2x, and neither time did he light up the league. I’m talking about guys that are at the TOP, regardless of linemates, regardless of coach, regardless of their biorythyms, or any of that other stuff.

    there are some nice players on your list, but I think at least half your list is guys with either a very short track record, or big performance gaps in their past.

    Jeff Carter had 53 points last year in 82 games. Nathan Horton has never gotten more than 62 in a season. And Brandon Dubinsky has virtually identical career numbers to David Booth.

    Those are the same guys you’d have Sather sign for 7 years at $50 Million bucks, and then complain 4 months later that they are busts!

  225. Brandon, not meaning to attack YOU in my last post, but my point is there are very few guys who perform regardless of circumstance.

    If Gomez, Roszival, Redden, Dreary, and others are underperforming what we think they’re capable of (and they are), we need to change their circumstance. The easiest and fastest way to do that is to bring in a new coach. The players can’t get worse, the power play can’t get worse, the annual results can’t get worse, the too many men penalties can’t get worst, can they????

  226. “Broken record? Hardly—- every day brings fresh material for those who see Renney is in over his head. The only broken record I hear is the excuses that keep getting trotted out to protect the coach, no matter what.”

    Not every mention of Renney in a positive light is an abject
    declaration of love and support. Every time anyone like myself or maybe Brandon says they don’t think the coach is the biggest problem on this team, half this board jumps in with the standard “you’re so stupid and blind comments.”

    It’s actually kind of amusing, as most of these same posters don’t really use any solid rationale to back it up except for the latest loss or turnover (two events that actually do happen to even good teams).

    Do I think Renney is Scotty Bowman? No. Do I think he’s Barry Melrose? Also, no. I haven’t really seen the argument yet to convince me that he’s that bad or that good.

    I still view his getting the team to playoffs the past two years as a positive. In a salary cap environment, getting your team into the playoffs isn’t bad – you’ve already done better than 14 other teams. Sorry, I’m a realist. Obviously, I want the Rangers to win the Cup but I don’t have huge expectations with the current team Sather has assembled.

    If the team misses the playoffs or gets swept in the first round, I’ll reevaluate and probably view Renney in a more negative light. That said, I’m waiting till it happens before I pass judgment.

  227. if i recall our only goal was dubi to prucha last game, so renney is gonna split them this game? i hope this isnt true, those 2 looked good together.

  228. brandon 5:18 post

    another reason i’m glad you’re not gm. i mean shanny is bad enough but hollweg – what drugs are you on

  229. Renney had little if nothing to do with the rangers making the playoffs the last two years. They made it in spite of him. If not for Jagr/Henrik and Avery two years ago the rangers dont make the playoffs. And how about how bad are powerplay has been for the last three years, that alone should convince you that Renney is a bad coach. You think other coaches would not practice the pp more and not switch the players used on that pp? And how about how many times this guy changes the lines. Other coaches may change lines during the game if something isn’t working, but how many change the lines almost every game?

    Who cares if the team makes the playoffs if u know they have no chance of winning the cup? Even worse, if they make the playoffs, nothing will change and dolan will just raise ticket prices again

  230. boxcareddiehospodar on

    This is why Renney is horrible as a coach.

    You could sit dawes or Sjos but he picks Korpi.

    Did we practice the power play this week?

    probably not.

    How do you spell moron = RENNEY

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