If a power play scores a goal, and no one’s there to see it….(Updated)

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It is not unusual for your loyal correspondent to skip a road game  (which I suppose makes me not-so-loyal, after all), but tonight’s game in San Jose marks a rare occasion: a regular season Rangers game in which not a single New York paper will be represented.

Both the Daily News and the Record have traveled regularly with the Rangers this season but skipped the week-long West Coast trip. And while the New York Post and Newsday were present for the back-to-back games in Anaheim and L.A., both papers decided to have their reporters return home rather than wait around an extra three days for tonight’s game against the league-leading Sharks.

The damage could be minimal. Since the Mats Sundin Saga has passed and the NHL is now in the midst of its Christmas roster freeze, there’s likely to be little in the way of news outside of the actual game, which we can all watch on TV or hear on the radio (and it’s not like a travel budget stopped Larry Brooks from writing “this critical and convincing argument of where the Rangers’ real problems lie”:http://www.nypost.com/seven/12202008/sports/rangers/sathers_cap_woes_simply_indefensible_145092.htm)

But what happens in the game is very often only part of the story. And there’s always a chance of an injury or an event behind-the-scenes that requires greater scrutiny. Plus, in this era of consistent cutbacks at newspapers, with hockey coverage already suffering worse than other sports, it’s still a dangerous precedent. For someone like myself who is technically on vacation and who has been more a reader than a reporter the past few days, I’ll be the first to admit we’re all missing out.

According to people in the Rangers organization who have been with the team for years, it’s the first time they can remember that at least one beat writer hasn’t been at a game. Granted, its a practice that’s become fairly standard in cities like L.A. and Phoenix, where hockey is seen as a fringe sport at best.

But this is New York, and Rangers fans expect more.

Update, 5 p.m.: A quick clarification: For one, Zipay says it was a mutual decision between himself and his editors at Newsday to have him return home after the first two games. And it’s fair to say both reporters would have stayed in California if the Rangers signed Mats Sundin.

Fair enough.

Also, no lineup changes for tonight, meaning Corey Potter truly was only called up for insurance purposes.

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  1. But but but Bettman says the league is in great shape and the fact that not one paper in ny is covering a game like this says alot imo.

  2. RE POST

    JOE

    Ohhh, okay. Yeah, he’s like Crosby down there. Just goes to show you how you cant compare the AHL to the NHL.

    HOUSE

    I agree, people do try to act all cool when they boo. I seen it, some loser trying to impress his gf who looked like Rocky Dennis from the movie Mask. He says “Ohh, i bet i can go down there and score goals, this team sucks, why do i root for them. booo”, ugh have another beer you fat fugg !!! And root for the Devs !

    Did anyone ever see this video of this fan making fun of Steve Sullivan when he got hit with a puck, and Sullivan see’s him, then later in the game the puck flips over the glass and hits that same fan, and he’s bleeding, and Sullivan skates over to him and points and laughs at him. Its hilarious, and perfect karma. Its on youtube somewhere.
    Anyway, its sad that the Isles have a better PP than Nyr. Its really embarrassing, all they have his no name players, and old guys.

    This system is the problem, get rid of Renney, and the system goes with him. The Devs were great on the PP last night, and have been for a while. They used to suck just like Nyr, if they can change, why cant Nyr ?? Its pathetic.

    Actually Nyr scored PP goals, in 3 straight games, but the last was a Penalty Shot, and before that was a rewarded empty net goal, so it doesn’t really count.

  3. Is it possible to send Kalinin to the minors? I know he would have to go through waivers and other teams could claim him, but seriously, at 2.1 million and a minus 1000 on the season, are there actually teams that would bite on him? Even if they do, how would you feel about paying half his salary and freeing up a million to do whatever with? This would also allow Potter to assume a regular spot or allow for Sang to make an appearance with the big club.

    Thoughts?

  4. Of all the games so far this season, this is the one I’ve been waiting for…are we really a contender???
    The team should have had a good couple days off, the drama surrounding Mats Sundin is over….my level of expectation is high.

    I just hope they play well..I guess when you practice your power play and you have the leauges best PK to practice against you suck!! lol

    And about that power play, well no one should be booing them…and I’d like to see two tape to tape simple passes resulting in one good shot (that is of course if they can gain the zone)….

    San Jose is coming off a huge loss, they don’t lose at home, so who knows what will happen.

  5. Just another sad indication that hockey is a “third world country” when it comes to sports. People are missing the most exciting, action-filled sport that there is. It’s their loss. Only us die-hards really care.

  6. “Drury – 25 goals last yr and on pace for 23 or 24 this yr. kills penalties and strong defensive presence. have him on my team *anytime*.”

    Even at $7M/year? That’s why you’re one of the rah-rah fans who is happy to get a foot in the playoff door and nothing more. Drury is a giant waste of money, an AWFUL leader/captain motivator, and the chain in the handcuffs that will hold this team back for years. No surprise, Joe, no surprise at all.

    Drury = #2 most overpaid player in the NHL according THN.

  7. tonights game is a game where you should get completely blitzed sooo you dont even know who won or lost. I honestly dont know whose gonna win tonight, I think the Rangers will get to a shootout HA.

    If the team is gettin pounded there are many shows on tonight, just in case….

    I for one would freakin sit Kalik he is horrible, Joe Thorton is gonna skate around him soooo bad.

  8. “San Jose is coming off a huge loss, they don’t lose at home, so who knows what will happen.”

    I’ve got a pretty good guess.

  9. ThisYearsModel on

    Let’s see……..newspaper circulation is down nationwide. Here’s an idea…….let’s screw the most loyal of our sports section readers……the hockey fans. We are Rangers fans, but tonight, we may as well be fans of the Kings or Coyotes. And just think……we can’t blame Dolan, Sather or Renney for this one.

  10. Lindy Ruff benched his top line for much of the second period the other night against NJ for not competing hard enough.

    Tom Renney not only doesn’t use such a lever but doesn’t even seem to recognize the difference between effort and floating (see Redden, Wayne and Gomez, Scott).

    Again, we are talking about a defensive-minded “system” where multiple scoring chances against are generated every period and where the Rangers’ play without the puck remains a parody of solid hockey fundamentals.

    I know, I know. The team is ten games over .500. But Ponzi schemes also look tremendous until suddenly they don’t.

  11. Salty i think like that sometimes, it feels good alittle when it does happen to this team for some reason.

    I miss jaromir sheesh this season was not what i expected. I am still adapting……..

  12. Flyers killing the Red Hot Caps 6-1. I know their(Flyers) goaltending is spotty as usual but imo the are the most talented team in the Atlantic. I would be very surprised if they don’t win the division. They have three lines that can score(even without Briere) with anyone. I wish we had one line that can score let alone dominate. Timmonen has found his stride as has Coburn and Sciba is alot like Staal.

  13. Why would anyone, as a fan, want Nyr to lose ? I don’t understand that at all. Its pretty sad actually.

    I get pretty fuggin pissy after a loss, believe me, but id never be happy aboot it.

    Jeez, sometimes i think Bob is more of a fan of this team than some of the people here. Of course that’s if half the team was gone, especially Betts, and Renney,

    Anyway, i hope Nyr wins tonight. big game. They had a decent game against the Wings, coming back from being down 2-0, and nearly pulling a win, if it wasn’t for a BS penalty, and of course Rozi being retarded, and standing around like a retard.

    This team isn’t complete, obviously, they still need a few pieces to be semi complete. They can start by getting rid of Kalinin, but i still believe they can win the Cup. Even if the team isn’t a good as some of the others out there.

  14. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    Like a kid that didn’t get the gift he wanted under the tree the Rangers are looking at the toys they do have.
    Drury over-paid …bla bla bla , like we didn’t know that. Why whine about it? Just like the Captain of the boat yer on ,,hes over paid and ya want a new one ? Naw cuz the next captain would be over -paid too!!! No one comes to NY for less and Drury and Gomez were no different. If they cared about economics they prob would have taken less but were offered the going price…Try being Kevin Lowe with Penner’s huge contract. Coach Mactavich even said in the press that Penner is treating his new contract as a finish line , not a starting line. Talk about ripping your own players!!

  15. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    (graves)
    Sorry but i know now , you are a Flyers fan !!! Flyers suck and they wont win the division , pathetic if they did.

    I agree (Orr) why would anyone like it if they lose? You guys nuts!!?? Didn’t you guys get enough losing in the 80’s??

    (dr houwse) why you like it a bit when they lose…it is cuz yer still bitter about Jagr and the high priced vets.
    Don’t be that way ..Rangers are first in the Atlantic and they got over 20 wins not because they fluked it!!just let out a cry ( i did) poor Jagr is out , i know it does suck!!!!!
    (salty) wanna bet they dont!!!? come on , id say they win or just lose by a goal . You said they get smoked , or ya hope….if you take that bet …who ever loses can’t post here for 1 week!!

  16. Yes I’m a Flyers fan retard Greg. They have the best record in the league in the last 5 weeks oh boy do they suck. This is the difference between me and you I can hate a team and still give em credit. I detest the Devils but I can admit that they’ve had an incredible run the last 15+ years.

  17. jared – 1/2 cap hit only happens if claimed on the way back up from ahl. if just waive on way down if claimed does not count vs our cap at all

  18. Salty
    December 20th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
    I flat out hope the Rangers get smoked tonight. There, I said it.
    ……..

    Embarassing.

  19. GardenFaithfulinFLA on

    Wow some group of Ranger fans. Do you go around telling 5 year olds there is no Santa too?

  20. You can flip anything Bettman says upside down, to get the truth. As regards no beat reporter at the game, when I lived in LA and attended every Rangers visit there, I could have filed a report with any interested NY newspaper, as a fan, as a first-hand witness at the game, with a NY perspective. Why don’t they think of that. There are literally thousands of Ranger fans living in LA, and as I recall, we were quite vocal, compared with the local fans of the Kings. A little creativity goes a long way. The papers in New York are falling down on the job. In this era of the internet, it is derelict not to have a first-hand account of the game, and getting it from a real fan would be a nice, not-so-Renney-ass kissing account, for a change.

  21. I am not happy with my own life so i pick on the rangers to make me feel better. if they don’t win the cup i will be right and it will make me feel better. ok their i said it.

  22. I have to laugh. I like Mike Francesca, but too much he talks about “big town” New York teams and fans and how they would never go for this or that small town mentality. “That would never play here in New York” is his pat line.

    What do you think, Mike, of “big town” NY not having a reporter at a Ranger game vs. one of the two best teams in the National Hockey League? Sort of “Green Bay chicken shit,” right Mike?

  23. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    Flyer Suck!!!! Who has more points??? Rangers do!!!

    SAID BY ( graves) ” Flyers killing the Red Hot Caps 6-1. I know their(Flyers) goaltending is spotty as usual but imo the are the most talented team in the Atlantic. I would be very surprised if they don’t win the division. They have three lines that can score(even without Briere) with anyone. I wish we had one line that can score let alone dominate. Timmonen has found his stride as has Coburn and Sciba is alot like Staal.

    You keep picking those idiots to win the division!!Most talented team in the Atlantic!!??? COME ON , Pittsburgh kills them in talet. Grave , you are on glue!! Flyers lover you!!Sounds like your jealous of Philly,,your a weak Ranger fan ,,get lost already .

  24. Salty is a long timne member here. While I don’t agree with him most of the time at least he knows the game and adds something. I think we’d be better off with him around than some of the 3rd graders that post here.

  25. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    Yeah Graves , you are one of ’em . You never have anything interesting to say.

  26. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ….says Greg L.
    December 20th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
    Flyer Suck!!!! Who has more points??? Rangers do!!!

    SAID BY ( graves) ” Flyers killing the Red Hot Caps 6-1. I know their(Flyers) goaltending is spotty as usual but imo the are the most talented team in the Atlantic. I would be very surprised if they don’t win the division. They have three lines that can score(even without Briere) with anyone. I wish we had one line that can score let alone dominate. Timmonen has found his stride as has Coburn and Sciba is alot like Staal.

    You keep picking those idiots to win the division!!Most talented team in the Atlantic!!??? COME ON , Pittsburgh kills them in talet. Grave , you are on glue!! Flyers lover you!!Sounds like your jealous of Philly,,your a weak Ranger fan ,,get lost already .

    If you’re a day over 12 I’d be shocked. Btw the Flyers have played 3 less games. They are what 2-3 points behind the Rangers? I hope to God you get Hooked on phonics for the holidays. Oh yeah the pPens have no depth up front. The only area the Rangers kill them is goaltending I hope Hank carries them to the division crown but I’m skeptical.

  27. (Nice try… But I’m educated enough to never make a there/their error)

    Why do I hope they get flat out smoked? I want to see changes. Changes won’t come if the keep keeps “getting away” with how they are playing… I know that is too difficult of a concept for most of you to comprehend…

    With that said, Greg L…. You’re on. Rangers win tonight I won’t post for a week. None of this one goal difference, its win/lose.

  28. Greg you can’t spell and are totally incoherent. You seem to be mildly retarded as well. GET BACK IN YOUR CAGE MONGO.

  29. i hate when the rangers lose, especially at home, cause that drive home from MSG completely sucks. It is like horrible cause all you wanna do is like go off on someone.

    I am not bitter at all, the only thing i am bitter at is the $500 casino night ticket ha. Yes i still miss Jagr :(

  30. Jesus Christ Greg learn to fucking spell. Oh yeah your puncations are all in the wrong places. You also seem to know nothing about Hockey or being coherent. The Flyers went to the East Finals last year and are on the Rangers tail this year how do they suck?

  31. I think tonight may be another one of those nights where we see how bad this team really is. Whereas last game, we saw how bad they were, but it wasn’t reflected in the results. Tonight it will be borne out.

    Oh, and Philly would destroy us right now. So what if their goaltending stinks? We scored two off LaBarbera on a bad night for him. Certainly the caliber of the opposing goalie is of no help to the Rangers.

  32. Salty, um…not that I ever like your posts or agree with you but…you hope they get smoked, because you will then see changes? Did a certain Devils game in recent memory cause any shake ups? how bout the Panthers game? and you think if they get smoked tonight your gonna see changes…lol dude…keep posting…

  33. # Salty December 20th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
    I flat out hope the Rangers get smoked tonight. There, I said it.
    Salty, shame on you. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME on you !
    There, I said it

  34. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    The flyer suck because they have that logo on the front!!
    So what , I get a lil excited and throw in a few more comma’s n stuff . My spelling has been excellent for most of my posts . HAHA
    ( Salty) ok , fineee win or lose…ok , Deal on!!Rangers win , i don’t post here for a week and if Sharks win , you don’t.
    Yo ( Jason) you twirp , you could n’t find your head this morning?? eh? Cuz it was up your ass!!

    (graves) You with all that retard talk…look at you , hahahaha ps love your name …another number that should not be retired!!

    Gotta love my fellow NYR fans ….HAHAHAHA love it!

  35. LOL

    I just really enjoy seeing Renney eat shit.

    As for Drury, it’s never been as relevant as it was yesterday… So yeah… I’m still right about it. It’s going to continue to fuck us while Drury plays on our 3rd line. Face it… I’m still right about it and now I have THN to back me. ; )

  36. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    ummm wait Salty , Sharks win , I don’t post. Rangers win , you don’t post . Sorry got it mixed up because of other flyer fans in here screwing me up.

  37. Greg you f*cking idiot, you have the bet backwards.

    Sharks winning means you shut the f*ck up for 7 days (which starts at the last whistle, btw)

    Not that I really expect a child like you to honor the bet either.

  38. Thats right Salty your “right” about it…like Sundin would have just turned this team right around…actually if we had paid him what he wanted you would have another “overpaid” player to bitch about…meanwhile Drury is the real smart man here…who wouldn’t have signed that contract? He’s playing the same as he always does, and smiling all the way to the bank…Good for Drury! Sather sucks!

  39. Drury is 2nd line. Dubinsky with Sjoe and Voros is 3rd line. Dubi only moves above 3rd if with Z or if Gomez and Drury are together.

  40. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    (Salty Peanuts)
    Yeah , you dam right i’ll honour that bet!!RE-READ MY LAST POST before you open you big trap and say I got it backwards! Duh , I know. The only idiot is a goof like you saying that you hope we get smoked!!??? YOU BETTER honour that bet when you lose buddy. Probally older than you anyways you lil punk. My back is fine , I shoveled tona of snow today already!!

  41. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    yeah Staal wart is right , who would n’t have signed that contract. If the Rangers didn’t get Drury or gomez , those two would be playing somewhere else with the same amount of cash. Sather is to blame for handing out the cash. Players have bills to pay and they will take any amount they can.

  42. This is exciting! A real live bet… We need more of these around here!

    As for Sundin, don’t be confused Wart, I never wanted him. Simply pointing the first of MANY times we are going to miss out on players because of these contracts… And when you see these players not busting their asses every night as the sundins, kovalchuks, boumeesters, whoevers, pass on the rangers…. You’re going to be an absolute fool to not resent our overpaid fat cats. You on the other hand Wart seem proud of Drury for taking advantage of NY’s overoffering and “laughing to the bank”…. Classic Wart.

  43. Nothing major is going to change when the Rangers are in the top half of the conference at the midpoint.

    Bitch all you want and hope for them to lose but there is plenty of upside to this team.

  44. Beer me!

    This blog is very negative today.

    Rangers win in shoot-out 4-3; Renney figures out a way

    :)

  45. I don’t honestly expect changes… I’m just disgusted. I want to see Tom Renney embarrassed and exposed over and over at this point. The man is an arrogant cuckold who needs to be taught a lesson. The more times, the better as far as I’m concerned.

  46. thats right Salty…the smart one is Drury…anyone including you would sign a big contract to make lots of money…get off your soap box
    As far as proud…I could care less…unlike you I realize that I have less than no chance to change or affect the situation so…I move on and enjoy the game for what its worth

  47. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    Game time is in a lil over 4 hours , Salty ya better type alot before we hear that final horn sound … The Rangers will win in a shoot-out and sweep the western trip.

    Tall order I should say so given that the Sharks have lost a couple in a row and will be steaming mad. Sick home record to ta boot!

    Look on the brighter side :

    1)In road games guys like Rosival and Gomez escape the boos from msg and play rather well.

    2)Sharks may be upset but the 2 game losing streak shows they are a little weak right now.

    3)Rangers are on a streak of there own and they feel good about the western trip , they got nuthing to lose!!

    4)Pressure of losing at home will be on the Sharks.

    5)Rangers want to show that they don’t need $undin!! So they will be fired up!!

  48. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    awwww Graves9 it’s ok . Make fun all you want , I don’t hate you Flyer fans …but ya think your team is soooo Big and scary !!! OHHHHHH Big Deal . Flyers suck!!!!

    Hate to say it Salty nuts but anyone who hates thier coach so much that they want thier team to lose is absolutely pathetic!! Lets count all the people who agree with me on this one.

  49. Greg L.

    Care to up the ante?

    Rangers win in *regulation* I’ll take 2 weeks off, lose in regulation you take 2… Whatta ya say?

  50. San Jose has not lost at home in regulation at all this season. Real test tonight guys. I hope we hand them their first. I definitely like the pace of the games against the Western teams. Should be an exciting one.

  51. Rozsival was somewhat better in Tuesday’s 3-1 victory over the Ducks and in Wednesday’s 3-2 overtime victory over the Kings, but Redden’s performance in Los Angeles was appalling and Kalinin’s work in both games was equally horrendous. There’s no logical reason why Potter shouldn’t play tonight in place of either Redden or Kalinin.

    If the first 36 games represent an accurate picture of what Redden has to give, then he simply cannot be a Ranger. The same holds true for Kalinin. But even if they remain on the team, they don’t have to play every night, and even if they play every night, Renney has no excuse to give them ice time at the expense of Marc StaalMarc Staal , Dan Girardi and Paul Mara.

    Staal – an all-star in the making – Girardi and Mara have not just been the club’s most reliable defensemen from Day 1, they have been the best puck-movers, the most physical and the most passionate. Good for them, not so good for the Rangers.

    Great stuff by Brooks.

  52. GardenFaithfulinFLA on

    Bad or good the Rangers are my team. I’ve stuck by them thick or thin for the past 18 years. Yeah, the team has issues but they’re still my team and I will pull for them always. I may have problems with them from time to time and get frustrated as many do and granted most of the complaints that are posted may be legitimate but it is out of my control. But for so-called fans to flat out hope they lose that’s a load of crap. I envy the folks that have the access to go to MSG and be a part of it. If I knew that I would miss it this much – I probably would have reconsidered moving here. Instead I pay for MSG Network and NHL Center Ice and sacrifice other things so I do have the games so I can cheer them on – even if it is 1300 miles away. When I first moved here I didn’t have the option to get the games, yet I sat by my computer every game and listened to the radio broadcast. As it states in my name FAITHFUL.

  53. I agree greg…

    sort of embarrasing is…

    “a regular season Rangers game in which not a single New York paper will be represented.”

    insulting to the fans, season ticket holders, and the team

  54. Jeez, massive losers on this blog. Like Staal said, its pretty dumb to hate a coach so much that you’d want the team to lose a shit load of games. Pretty pathetic.

    One of the main reasons why i cant stand the majority of Ranger fans. They’re all pretty much fake. Its sad.

    SALTY

    I don’t remember how you were back when i first came here, but i don’t remember you being such a fake fan. Unless i just missed most of those posts.

    Im sure even if you lose this bet, you’ll come on here with a different name, like that other guy with no life. I forget his name.

    Go Rangers !!

  55. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    Well Salty , we have 3 fans so far …Staal,Garden Faithfull and doogie!! That agree its pathetic and embarrasing to want your team to lose because ya hate the coach.
    2 weeks for regulation?? but I said Rangers in a Shoot-out.
    I can’t take that bet but I’m thinking ….

  56. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    Orr agrees too now thats four!!!
    Nice to see all this crap said to me earlier is proving a few things on this blog . Real Ranger fans are showing up and the Flyer fans who SUCK like thier team are posing as True Ranger fans.

  57. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    Rangers go go go lets show chugga chugga CHEECH CHOO that our team is good. Hopefully Cheech will come to NY. Must win this game boys , we need points!!!

  58. LI Joe,
    Yeah man, I don’t know. I will be honest and say that I wanted Mats to be signed to a one year deal and at the same time to shed some salary by sending away some high priced players. It didn’t happen, so be it. I was wrong. I do firmly believe that NY is really where he would have rather been, but he wasn’t going to get enough green here. In the end, I think that is what it was all about. It is a business, and in this day and age, you very rarely hear of a person taking less money to play where they really want to play. Just the way it is. I am not going to hate on Drury or Gomez or Redden or Rozy because they make sooooo much money. I will hate on Redden and Rozy when the play like shit because they play like shit. Drury and Gomez, I never expected them to be these HUGE point producers so I am not going to hate on them too much, even though they have both been very inconsistent. Drury needs to step it up and Gomez need to have a winger who can play with him. Plain and simple.

    I am not sure why people keep suggesting Cheechoo. Yeah, he is a good player, but why would San Jose trade the guy when that team should not be touched on tinkered with in any way what so ever.

    I didn’t expect much on this West Coast trip, and I have been pleasantly surprised up to this point. So if we can somehow scratch and claw and win again tonight, I will go to bed with a HUGE shit eating grin on my face and be happy with 6 points.

    It’s funny, because we all know damn well this team needs to fixing, and is far from perfect. But I will be any of us, if we were at a game, and being outplayed, but were winning, or hell, even won the game, and had to hear an opposing team say that we suck, the first thing we would do is to tell them to read the fuc*ing scoreboard. So as far as I am concerned, nuff said. I will take points however we can get them and just hang on the hope that some changes will be made and that we can improve our team. But I will never wish for our team to lose. To each their own and I am not telling anyone how to root or not root for the Rangers. I just want to win and keep getting points and get home ice in the playoffs.

    Let’s Go Rangers!

  59. Guess you don’t have full confidence they can win a game *the real way*… It’s cool.

    ORR… Please… Aside from the fact that I honor my bets, I don’t think someone like me could ever hide behind a different name… My posts are too recognizable…

    My saying I’m looking for a bad loss really got some of you excited huh? It’s sad how certain concepts are completely lost on some people… Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom to really see what it takes to get to the top. Rangers squeak by a lazy SJS tonight and they come home thinking they are A OKAY… I don’t necessarily think that’s a good thing. Not if you want to see this team mature and morph into a hard working team.

  60. Greg go jump of a bridge or something. I’m more a fan than you’ll ever be. Chechchoo isn’t a free agent you dolt.

  61. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    well said Nasty1 , nicely put . Thats 5 Salty!!!
    Go Rangerssss !! Im f**king pumped for game time!!! Rangers Jersey’s are cool , win or lose it’s worth the bet . I just wanna watch ’em play!

  62. rock bottom???? You think a big loss tonight will bring about whole sale changes???

    This is team that is comming off an embarrasing loss, and has a 16-0-2 record at home…I would just like to see the rangers have a great game…

  63. Why don’t you both predict point producers from both teams. Pick 4 guys from both teams that you think will get at least a point in the game tonight. The person with the most points has to _________________.

    Any thoughts here?

    Ha.

  64. I personally have no beef at all with Salty. He is free to have his opinion. We have had our differences in the past. He doesn’t agree with everything I say and I don’t agree with everything he says and the world goes round and round. But I am liking this whole bet thing. Makes things a little more interesting tonight.

  65. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    (Salty)
    Thats it Rangers win in Regulation …knucklehead !! Ante is up !! 2 weeks now is what ya want …im in!! No fake names ,no comming on at all in 2 weeks . Any breaking the rules by comming on earlier the guy will be branded with the name WELCHER before he is adressed in every post he sends. 2 weeks Rangers win in Regulation . I’m in .

  66. i spent alot of time in the late 90’s, and early 2000’s rooting against my favorite team(the rangers) in all sports. i did this because i felt loosing would eventually bring about the changes needed to make my team good again. so i understand salty rooting against his team. this team does need changes in order to get to the next level,(cup contender) most notably a new coach.

  67. I know nothing about SJS beside joe and jon….

    I loves litttle “competition” he thinks we have over supporters… I never in my life imagined many people here if any would even understand where I’m coming from, let alone side with me… Have fun with your game kid… Talk now.

    Pathetic how he’s “looking for” the shoot out…. Just like big uncle tom!

  68. NASTY

    They’d be willing to get rid of him, with Setoguchi having such a great year, and all these players stepping it up, like Marleau, etc. Cheech is off to yet another slow start, and he made up for that the last two seasons late in the year. He only has 4 goals 4 assists this year, and has missed a few games due to injury.

    Its not like they need Cheech to win. As for Nyr they can use a potential scoring winger, plus he’s still young, he’s only 28. Im not sure what the Sharks would want from Nyr, but im sure they’ll definitely consider trading him away for another piece of the puzzle.

    I think its a good move, if its possible, which like i said, i think it is.

    I wonder if we’ll see Boucher in net tonight since Nabby gave up 6 in the last game. Who knows, but either way it will be tough.

    Hopefully Rozi has another decent game. Kalinin needs to step it up as well.

    Leafs are beating the Pens 3-1, hopefully they can hang on and win that. That would be nice.

  69. Awesome… Good show Greg… Way to step up.

    I agree that the betting is awesome Nasty… Totally more interesting.

    Only thing that sucks is its gonna be real tough for me to watch this game… I hope the place I have to go tonight has it on…

    (Just got on the metro north this thing is PACKED with drunk college kids home from school headind into the city… Should be interesting.)

  70. I want in on this bet. Just for kicks.

    I say Nyr wins 3-1. Cally, Dubi, Drury score, and Pavelski scores for the Sharks, and Hank makes 24 saves. And Grier still looks as ugly as ever.

    Orr vs Shelley !!!!! Orr kicked his ass two seasons ago, and bloodied him up.

    Gotta avoid the shootout, they have Roenick. He’s deadly in the shootout.

  71. JR is hurt and out for a bit. If any of you have a BlackBerry download THN.mobi. Great app for the phone.

  72. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    Penguins losing 5 -2 in the 3rd , nice going Torontah!!!
    GOOOOOOO Rangers !!! and I wanna see a Fight fight tonight!!!! Lets kick the ‘evah livin shit outta ’em !!! 4 -2 for us!!!!Bet BET BET BET BET!! omg I feel like Fred Flintstone!

  73. While I understand WHY Salty feels that a loss could bring about changes, I want them to win. Losing to the number one team in the league isn’t going to cause anyone to make any serious changes to the team. Not anytime soon at least.

    I don’t post here often but count me in on the bet. We win in regulation tonight!

    Lets go Rangers!

  74. I never heard of someone wanting their team to lose because they hate the coach. BUT! you have to take it from where it is coming from folks seriously.

    LGR!!!!!

  75. Interseting stat about San Jose is the number of draft choices they have in their current line up..great scouting staff

    first round draft picks
    Goc 2001
    Setoguchi 2005
    Michalek 2003
    Marleau 1997

    cheechoo, nabokov, clowe, ehrhoff, cavanaugh, pavelski, plihal, murray all draft picks

  76. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    …6 ….7 Ranger fans agree now .Krispy hit the nail on the head! Ranger rob yeah look where its comming from.

    (SALTY ) Looks like ORR and Krispy are in on the bet . That 2 weeks from each of them plus my 2 weeks ..wow Looks like we wont see you in …umm..er…Feb 2009 sometime.

    GOOOOOOOOOOOO RANGERS!!!!!

  77. Believe me when I tell you I understand where Salty is coming from. But at this point, I wouldnt want the team to lose. The only time I wanted them to lose and was literally rooting against them was to blow the last 15 games of the season so they could have had a chance of getting Ovechkin in 2004.

  78. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    Mako makes it 8 which is great!!! Yeah Mako your reason was because you knew we were out of it and thought maybe a few losses more may get us a good pick. What did we get with our pick that year? Blackburn ugh??

  79. We shouldn’t complain too much about Kalinin. He’s here for only one year so we can always dump him then. Redden is a different story though.

  80. Greg

    Yep, exactly right. But it was Al Montoya who they drafted 6th. Korpi 19th ;)

    Funny how most draft picks never really seem to pan out consistently for the Rangers. Hmmmmm I wonder why.

  81. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO LET GO RANGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I have a good feeling about this game. Would make the holidays so much sweeter if they were the first team to beat them at the tank in regulation!!!

  82. can we forfit this game cause this is gonna be uglier than the seeing the little kitner boy spill out on the docks

  83. This looks like an ECHL team vs a future cup champion. Boyle is winning the Norris trophy this year.

  84. mako did you know your name is a type of shark?

    Mako it’s all psychological. You yell rangers everybody says Huh? What? You yell shark we’ve got a panic on our hands on the Fourth of July.

    i have a feeling the only fun im going to have tonight is displaying my jaws quotes knowledge

  85. Thank goodness Z didn’t pass to Gomez on that goal- he passed about two other times and Gomez gave it right back to the Sharks….I think Z could stand to be more selfish

  86. ————————————————-
    # graves9 December 20th, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    This looks like an ECHL team vs a future cup champion. Boyle is winning the Norris trophy this year.
    # deja December 20th, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    rangers go in the box. sharks bring the puck in the zone. puck goes in the net.
    ———————————————-
    some fans we have here.
    no wonder garden is dead unless we are up.

  87. cup94,

    Being a fan doesn’t mean being blind. I am a die hard fan but if I see them playing poorly, I am going to criticize them.

    Deja was just making a Jaws reference there by the way.

  88. can you imagie if Naslund and Zherdev were killing penalties since game 1 instead of useless Betts and Sjostrom? We would have at least 8 more shorthanded goals, and our 4th line would actually be able to score if it was Byers-Anisimov-Korpikoski

  89. who is going to establish a physical presence on this roster?? The play without the puck is still scary, like as if Beer Me is coaching.

  90. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    Did that anouncer guy refer to Zherdev as ” puck hog??”…I thought I heard him say that.

  91. Redden and Kalinin looking as weak as ever. Mara’s penalty was taken because tyhe Rangers couldn’t clear the zone because on 3 separate occassions Kalinin was manhandled off the puck. Redden just looking to give the game away. Horror show.

  92. at least the pre-game outed Redden and Roszi and Kalinin as the horrid slackers they have been …. of course Maloney drove the discussion, and Micheletti looked sick in having to agree, but it is probably noteworthy that even a tepid critisicm got on the air.

  93. ill drop the gloves for you krisp. no hetero.

    Its unfair to group me in with the people who scream fire renney every 5 minutes or trade this guy or that guy or betts sucks after every game because i dont post that shit. i said fire renney once…once during the devils game last week because it was truly a disgrace. i watch every game every freakin year if i want to be sarcastic and pesimistic is my god given right as fan. as for your name Cup94 thanks for letting us lesser fans know when we won the cup last we wouldnt have known without your reminder.

  94. KrispyNYR December 20th, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    cup94,

    Being a fan doesn’t mean being blind. I am a die hard fan but if I see them playing poorly, I am going to criticize them.

    Agreed.
    But to hate on your team after a few min of the game?

  95. At Staples the other night, the Rangers’ fans I sat near and spoke with were negative re: individuals as follows:

    1) Kalinin

    2) Voros

    3) Renney

    Needless to say, I was amazed at how little shit Redden attracted.

  96. 2 goals off of BS calls. Calls were weak, no doubt. But after the time out was called the tightened up. good forechecking. Man, SJ shoots the puck from everywhere. Its good to see an elite team play once in a while.

  97. cup94,

    I’ll give you that, its a bit early to determine how this game will go. But everyone is allowed to have an opinion and deal with the situation how they please.

    In the end all that matters is that the Rangers win, right?

  98. Ford –

    I think Redden’s past play with Ottawa is keeping others criticisms of him at bay. Unlike us all ;)

  99. for Cup94 cause hes still missing it

    sarcasm – 1: a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain2 a: a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual

    do i have to define irony and wit too?

  100. drury’s vitality & energy & thrill to be alive and a Ranger, as shown in his latest interview with Deb, has me convinced he’s on methadone

  101. I must say I am extremely disappointed in Korpikoski, I never had very high expectations of him, but he looks like a Betts clone out there–solid defensively, but not much else, no hitting, no energy, no extra effort, no agitating, no scoring or offensive creativity.

  102. KrispyNYR December 20th, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    cup94,

    I’ll give you that, its a bit early to determine how this game will go. But everyone is allowed to have an opinion and deal with the situation how they please.
    —————————————-

    And i do have one.
    Some of the fans here are just pathetic.

  103. MAKO

    Maybe you’re right — all I know is Redden was brutal AGAIN the other night, as he’s been all year, and very little crap comes his way from the faithful I was surrounded by in LA/

  104. bro i had a four year streak of rangers trivia snapped at the end of last season just because someone clowns on the team as a means of stress relief doesn’t make them a pathetic fan.

    when adam graves had a signing last year i waited for 3 hours in the cold with pneumonia.

    and are they really playing take me out to the ballgame at the pavilion?

  105. hey bob:
    “can you imagie if Naslund and Zherdev were killing penalties since game 1 instead of useless Betts and Sjostrom?”

    Is this the #1 PK in the league…??

  106. cup94, the reason the Garden is dead most nights is due to Renny’s fear of employing emotion by demanding HITTING and CREATIVE hockey

  107. doogie747 December 20th, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    hey bob:
    “can you imagie if Naslund and Zherdev were killing penalties since game 1 instead of useless Betts and Sjostrom?”

    Is this the #1 PK in the league…??

    LOL doogie. so true.

  108. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    ZZZZZZ wont let us doWn. More to come …

    Should have Dubi centering that line cuz Gomer can’t think of the right pass and shoots a weak shot on net.

    (True Blue) I was thinking the exact same thing on how Z shot instead of a easy goal pass to Gomer. Gomez could have botched the shot. Just watch ol Hank vs Nabokov . Hank wants this one bad.

    (BOB) Yeah on the PK If Naslund replace Betts and have Zherdev as the first unit we would have more short handed goals …I agree. But then I dunno . I just say have Staalsie on the PP.

  109. ya…lol.. you know what Staal Wart…

    Was watching the pit/TO game, jordan s was wearing the “A” played well, Eric had an off night in carolina…BUT we have the Staal with a brightest future!!! He is fun to watch

  110. I dont think I want Naslund on the PK. Hes an older guy and needs to stay as fresh as possible. The less time he is on the ice when he isn’t actively trying to score the better.

  111. mako, yeah Dunham blew. Almost as much as JD blew him when he played a few decent games early on in his Ranger career — “who says the Rangers don’t have a good goalie?”. if I had a nickel for every time that fat blowhard shill JD trotted out the party line I’d be as rich as Caroline kennedy

  112. we need to make a huge deal with Don Maloney.

    Prucha, Korpikoski, Rozsival for Hanzal and Lisin

    Betts and Fritsche for Tkachuk

    Gomez, Redden, 1st rounder, Sanguinetti, Sjostrom for Kovalchuk and Hainsey

  113. Mara laying his hand on someone is HOLDING
    but the guy wraps his arm around drury and is tugging on him but that’s not called..
    I don’t know..

  114. bob
    December 20th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
    we need to make a huge deal with Don Maloney.

    Prucha, Korpikoski, Rozsival for Hanzal and Lisin

    Betts and Fritsche for Tkachuk

    Gomez, Redden, 1st rounder, Sanguinetti, Sjostrom for Kovalchuk and Hainsey

    See Doogie747…October

  115. If Renney doesn’t pull Kalinin or Redden out of the lineup after tonight’s game it proves he has no balls.

  116. I miss the days of ulf samuelson and beukaboom, we dont have any d-men that take the body.

    WHOO CALLY!!!!!

  117. “Anyone else thinking that Dubi is rotting on that line? Screw Sanchez, put Nazzy and Z with Dubi!”

    I agree, dirty Sanchez sucks, and our top line should be Naslund-Dubinsky-Zherdev

  118. Voros is incredibly inconsistent… but for $1m I don’t care.. it’s that $6.5m defensively liability and $7.05m penalty killer that piss me off.

  119. I feel terrible for Girardi…Redden is dragging him down and because Redden is so absolutely attrocious, Girardi has to to be physical for Redden…I don’t think I’ve ever seen a defensemen shy away from physical play like Redden…
    He is Malik #2

  120. Naslund back on the ice after shaming himself on third sj goal — after he wussed off the ice he oughta have a broken wing at least

  121. Voros was great when he screened goalies and put up points with Dubi… now it’s Callahan who crashes the net and makes shit happen, meanwhile Voros just misses his checks… ugh

  122. staal wart, when will the coach understand Redden as you understand Redden? ron wilson benches big names, sutter benches big names, lindy ruff benches big names.

    but Talkative Tom refuses to deal with the obvious, which makes him completely useless to a team with ambition

  123. “bob
    December 20th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
    we need to make a huge deal with Don Maloney.

    Prucha, Korpikoski, Rozsival for Hanzal and Lisin

    Betts and Fritsche for Tkachuk

    Gomez, Redden, 1st rounder, Sanguinetti, Sjostrom for Kovalchuk and Hainsey

    See Doogie747…October”

    what does that mean?

  124. I dont understand why Voros has abandoned the way he played at the beginning of the season?

    RE: physical play. How can one of the smallest players on the team have the most hits on the team and almost the most in the league? But Redden who is 6’2″-6’3″ and Rozi the same height not hit at all?

  125. bob December 21st, 2008 at 12:03 am

    “bob
    December 20th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
    we need to make a huge deal with Don Maloney.

    Prucha, Korpikoski, Rozsival for Hanzal and Lisin

    Betts and Fritsche for Tkachuk

    Gomez, Redden, 1st rounder, Sanguinetti, Sjostrom for Kovalchuk and Hainsey

    See Doogie747…October”

    what does that mean?

    wow bob.
    besides having no clue, you are slow

  126. I guarantee that if Redden was coached by a man who did not have Sather’s prong buried deep inside his intestines, he would at least show an EFFORT out there.

  127. “I dont understand why Voros has abandoned the way he played at the beginning of the season?”

    maybe it was the “Renney effect” happens to most players under Renney. After first 5 games Zherdev totally stopped hitting. This is what happens when the coach is a clueless idiot, that can’t get his players give 110% effort.

    Another reason is he might be banged up.

  128. Well first bob,
    your trading 10 players for 5…
    Prucha who we know isn’t good, Korpedo who we have no idea if he’s good…yet and Rozi who has struggled mightily this year? who would take that trade? What GM would say OK thats good?
    Betts and Fritsche? Betts great at what he does and Fritsche…for a washed up old player who doesn’t kill penalties like Betts…I would even do Betts for Tkachuk.
    Then the doozie…Gomez, Redden, 1st rounder, Sanguinetti, and Sjo for Kovalchuk and Hainsey…who is gonna set up Kovalchuk?
    I can’t even address this idea…
    Would this trade turn us into a Cup contender?
    It all just prooves a lack of what is going on…and common sense.

  129. zZzZ 13 ZzZz rules!! ....says Greg L. on

    Alright Boys 3rd period comming up and we start on the Powerplay !! Lets score a PP goal and a late goal at the end . Get 2 points and get the hell outta here .

    bet bet bet BET!!

  130. This games pissing me off. The D is looking embarrassing as always.

    Im telling you, for the love of god, i have no god damn clue why Kalinin, or Redden, or Rozi or who ever doesn’t get scratched for AT LEAST a game.

    Ugh, hopefully they step up this period.

    If not, ill see you in 2 weeks.

  131. Prucha, Korpikoski, Rozsival for Hanzal and Lisin

    Betts and Fritsche for Tkachuk

    Gomez, Redden, 1st rounder, Sanguinetti, Sjostrom for Kovalchuk and Hainsey

    Kovalchuk-Hanzal-Zherdev
    Tkachuk-Dubinsky-Naslund
    Dawes-Drury-Callahan
    Voros-Anisimov-Lisin
    Orr

    Potter-Girardi
    Staal-Mara
    Kalinin-Hainsey

    Coach: Hartley or Laviolette or Tortorella
    Assistant coach: Graves

  132. Rangers have gotten off to horrible starts to the first two periods. Nabokov’s G.a.a and save percentage are fairly medicore. Boucher has likely out played him. Nabokov has been the rebound king tonight. Cally is flying around even more than usual. He imo will score 20 goals this year. Zherdev looking dynamic shift and and out. Dubinsky playing his best game in a long time tonight. Redden and Kalinin need to be taken out back…………

  133. Wilson, Ruff, Sutter – no Cups. Maybe sitting players doesn’t work.

    I only point this out because the general attitude on this blog is that somehow Renney is incapable of coaching the Rangers to a Cup. I would prefer to think that the coaching only provides a minimal edge and that the players win/lose games.

    I actually think the coaches above are great but in the mindset that is rampant here – that only a Cup win is a distinguishing achievement, they suck.

  134. “Prucha who we know isn’t good, Korpedo who we have no idea if he’s good…yet and Rozi who has struggled mightily this year? who would take that trade? What GM would say OK thats good? ”

    Don Maloney–he has seen play a lot and he drafted 2 of them and he loves them, especially Korpikoski, he was going crazy when he drafted him. They got plenty of offensive forwards there.

    “Would this trade turn us into a Cup contender? ”

    all 3 trades and a coaching change will make us Cup contenders.

  135. “Good job bob. You made the defense even worse.”

    Potter is better than both Redden and Rozsival put together.

    3rd pairing would get about 14 minutes a game, mostly against 3rd and 4th lines, so they would be ok.

  136. Dubinksy started carrying puck more a few games ago and he is looking good even tho the pig of a coach Renney loves stifling creativity.

  137. “Why does Gomez always shoot from a horrible angle?”

    because he is a moron and an overrated player and playmaker.

  138. jesus, the goo that Joe M spews because McClellan takes an obvious time-out is insulting to any hockey fan with an IQ over 40

  139. After this borefest, I’m going to play be-a-pro in NHL 09, put it on rookie, and injure every player on the other team with my 6’9″ d-man!

  140. ChrisS

    Yes he does. Not many players in the past have had talent which this kid showcases night in and night out. Its something to see. I always have called him the “poor mans Ovechkin” LOL

  141. “who is gonna set up Kovalchuk?”

    Zherdev is our best passer. Hanzal, Dubinsky and Anisimov are good playmakers as well.

  142. Gomez shoots from bad angles if there is no pass- he’s trying to create a rebound off the goalie. It’s a good play.

  143. Pavel
    December 21st, 2008 at 12:40 am
    After this borefest, I’m going to play be-a-pro in NHL 09, put it on rookie, and injure every player on the other team with my 6’9” d-man!

    Borefest! Dude are you blind?

  144. A good coach this team would be playing like this 70% of the time. With Renney they play like this only when they abandon Renney’s brilliant system

  145. The game got exciting like 2 minutes after I said that. The Rangers are deviating from the Renney system and they’re playing great… HMM!!!

  146. Rangers should have absolutely won this game. BS calls & Reddens F*UCK up cost them. They played great in the 3rd.

  147. can the last ten minutes of the game be played when the team is not behind? That is the $64K question with this coach.

  148. I don’t care what anyone says…this was a great game and the Rangers played great from Zherdevs goal on…
    outside a 2 cheap ass calls in the first few minutes…and the 2 PP goals this team could definitely have won this game. The Rangers had better chances and the entire 3rd period was Rangers.

  149. Hey look at it this way. They didnt get blow out. They played great the almost the entire game. Those two calls cost them. Great game boys.

  150. Staal

    Agreed. I bet you the Sharks coach will probably chew their asses out tonight. They are luck to skate away with this win. Rangers showed they can play with the best tonight.

  151. Why can’t we play with this kind of energy all the time? I just don’t get it. If not listening to Renney causes us to do what we did in that third period, wear some earplugs at the practices and do your own thing guys!

    Anyway, time to honor a bet. I had a blast tonight guys, see you in two weeks.

  152. Nice job by the officials to swallow their whistles in the 3rd with the Rangers speed causing interference, hooks and trips galore. It’s nice to cash in a deuce on a 5-3 when they won’t make those calls late in the game.

  153. MAKO,
    haha i like that.. “poor man’s ovechkin”

    As for the game: you have to like the effort.. We could of easily won had we gotten one bounce here or there. and Our power play looked pretty decent-i think so atleast.. But this is pretty telling to how our season has gone so far- outworking the other team, yet without that true goal scoring winger we can’t get over the “two goals a game” hump.

  154. MAKO,
    the Sharks are lucky to skate away with this win, just like the Rangers were lucky to skate away with a win against the Kings.
    When the Rangers skate like they did in the 3rd period, they can easilly skate with the best teams.

  155. Solid game by rangers vs more then solid team.
    Great effort, too bad they came up short. They deserved at least 1 point.

  156. Ok, can I get a quick head count of who is banned for 1 week and those banned for two before u guys take a self inflicted vow of silence?

  157. Staal the Rangers undoutably outplayed the Sharks in the third period but imo the Sharks outplayed the Rangers in the first two periods.

  158. It came down to Zherdev not attacking the puck on the boards on that 3rd goal. He saw Naslund there and either didn’t realize he was hurt or just didn’t go get it. Henke should’ve made the stop, but the fact is it should’ve never gotten to that point.

    Also Mara can be so good at times, but then hes also such an idiot. Seriously, stop holding. You get called for it every game at least once.

    Rozsival took a selfish penalty going after Setoguchi after he got hit late. Early in the game its fine, but when its the 3rd period in a 3-2 game against the best team in the league, you can’t do it.

    Gomez really feels safe now that the Sundin rumors are over. WHY DO YOU SKATE INTO FOUR SHARKS WITH TWO MINUTES LEFT IN THE GAME?!?!? Typical for him to turn the puck over in key points in the game.

    And awesome fake out by Girardi to close the game out. We had one last rush and he didn’t know what to do and faked himself out and that finished the game up.

    Overall it was a solid end to the 2nd and all of the 3rd, but this is a game they definately had a chance to win and gave it away on bad penalties and a lack of defensive effort by Zherdev.

  159. Oh and if you actually watched the game, the 3rd goal wasn’t Redden’s fault. Like I said, Zherdev glided to the puck and didn’t even make an attempt to get it. Thats not Redden’s fault. You might want to blame him just because hes hated, but he can’t control when he makes a good play around the boards and the person who is there doesn’t go after it.

  160. ChrisS –

    Agreed. I love Cally, I like Dawes – but a few goals here and there isnt going to cut it. They need a big tough, sniper on the wing. Grachev can certainly be that for them in a few years. But that is a few years, ya know.

    Staal –

    Yep agreed. I actually think that LA played better than SJ tonight. IMO they Sharks didnt know what hit them when the Rangers played the way they did in the 3rd. I have to hand it to them, they really played fantastic in the 3rd. They shouldnt beat themselves up over this. They have a big game against the Caps.

  161. Jonny – that holding on Mara was weak. He shoved him. If anything, it should have been a roughing.

  162. Jonny D

    Are you kidding me? Even the two tools calling the game called that a week play. He completely flubbed that clearing. AANNNNND he did it on his back hand. If you know ANYTHING about basic hockey. Clearing attempts on the back hand in your own zone are a NO-NO to coaches.

  163. johnny d im sorry but that was a terrible analysis of the game… terrible d by zherdev?? r u kidding me? a) he scored taht shorty on nothing but defense, b) the goal ur talking about hank should’ve stopped but i am not blaming him, it was reddens fault…also girardi’s mistake yea ok i agree but common tehre were 7 seconds left in game and puck was in defensive end, chances of anything happening was like 1 in 100… gomez’s rush in, tahts sorta his job lol… get puck in set up for others…

  164. contemplating eitehr going to caps or devils game… probably will go to devils… as i have a feeling rangers will have sorta same game knicks had last night after a west coast trip…

  165. Rangers were done in by slow starts in the first two periods and shoody d by the three stoodges of Rozsival, Kalinin, and Redden. The Sharks have arguably the best puck moving dman around in Boyle. He creates offense for himself and moved the puck to their top flights forwards. Thorthon is a freaking beast he just finds guys in great position time after time. Hank really kept the the team in the game the first 15 minutes of the first. Zherdev was just as good as we’ve seen him this year. He was dynamic and flashy almost every shift. I though he and Gomez clicked fairly well tonight. Callahan has been the most consistant forward all year and he kicked it up a notch today. He drove to the net all night hit everyone in sight. He was rewarded with another big goal to tightened it up. I thought Korpkoski and Sjostrom were fantastic tonight. They used their speed to create a forecheck and drove to the net if only either guy could score. Dubinsky looked like he turned back the clock to October tonight. He carried the puck with confidence and played with a chip on his shoulder. Hopefully he uses this game to get on a roll. The third period was one of the best periods of the season. Nabokov was akward at times but he was big in the third. The last few minutes changed when the Thotrthon line had a huge puck possesion shift and the Rangers couldn’t get the puck the last 2 and a half minutes. Next week to ten days will be tough with Caps coming up twice and the Devs and Isles(who also play their hearts out against the Rangers)

  166. reginald dunlop on

    piss poor night for the stripes………horrific call on rozsival……zherdev gets tackled to no call and ton of interference on dump ins not called…..plus linesmen missed 3 offsides…….piss poor………trade rozsival, dawes, prucha if not using him, voros, kalinen….if no market down to hartford to clear up cap space….need a banging winger and a d man to scare people……otherwise this is what the season will be….

  167. Mako we’ll see on Grachev he could end up being a bust nobody is a for sure impact player. It wasn’t that long ago that Lundmark and Brendl were projected to be the Rangers version of Bossy and Trottier.

  168. Man, if we could get an ACTUAL PP Quarterback … This team would be solid!!!

    Rozsival and a 1st for Thomas Kaberle. . .

    and the sick thing is it would clear about 800k cap space since Rozy makes more money

  169. Joe in DE (actually in NJ tonight) on

    Very winable game tonight. Bottom line is that you’re not going to win playing 40 minutes of hockey against the top teams. It didn’t work on Detroit, and it didn’t work on San Jose.

    Renney’s “defense first” system can eat my ass. This team is something to behold when they play a puck possession game. They don’t need Sundin, they need Renney out. The Rangers play the way they did in the 3rd for 60 minutes, they can play with the best teams in the west, and probably crush every team in the east.

    Redden needs to be shot to the moon

  170. All Hail King Henrik on

    At least they gave them a game. It’s easy to forget that San Jose IS the best team in the league. The NYR really took it to them in the third period.

    What a weak way to start the game with a 5 on 3. I can’t stand when the refs dictate a game rather than the players. Just like the Detriot game, we dug ourselves a huge hole in the first 5 minutes. If we could’ve only played to a draw through the first tem minutes in both those games…

  171. All Hail King Henrik on

    P.S. Renney’s needs to look no further than San Jose for a “system”. They, like Detroit, play a supremely talented puck-possession game. This NYR team is built for such a system, and when given the opportunity, they can play it very well (as evidenced in both this game and the game vs. Detroit). If they played like this every game, not only would the offense improve, but the defense would improve as well. We were promised an up-tempo puck posession game, with close attention payed to defense. What happened to that? There’s a reason that SJ and DET are the best two teams in the league; in addition to their talent, they play the ideal system for winning in the “new” NHL. I do not understand why the Rangers have deviated from this style of play.

  172. I never said Zherdev’s defense wasn’t good. The goal he scored was because of a great defensive effort by him. But on that 3rd goal Zherdev just kinda sat there and watched the puck, probably because he looked up and saw Naslund and thought he’d get it. Its one of the wingers job to get that puck out of the zone and Nazzy was hurt and Zherdev didn’t skate to it at all. I’d be the 1st to blame Redden for anything but one of those wingers has to get that puck.

  173. All Hail King Henrik on

    Joe M. is insufferable (Sam is not far behind).

    Henke probably should’ve stopped that 3rd goal, yes, but I didn’t think it was as bad as Joe was making it out to be. WTF Joe? He tongues the opposing players balls night in and night out and is NEVER critical of anyone…Henrik gives up one so-so goal (the angle wasn’t THAT bad) and he’s all over him during the game and afterwards as if he’s someone of authority. Give me a fucking break. What a tool. I can never stand Joe because he is so objective and never critical, to see him be so critical of NYR best player all of a sudden is as big a joke as his commentary. All of a sudden, he’s immensly authoritarian and must state just how bad that goal was, OVER and OVER again. F__k you, Joe. He needs to go, Maloney is 1000 times better.

    Note to Joe (& Sam): it’s okay to have a [i]slight[/i] bias for the home team, d_ck. Listen to all 29 other announcers and you will hear just that: hometown bias to varying degrees (I am not saying to take it to such disgusting level as say Boston’s announcers or Chico, but shit…a little subjectivity wouldn’t hurt the hometown fans.)

    Excuse the rant, but Joe (and Sam) are growing more and more insufferable with each passing game. Their giggling, and frustrating objectivity are disgusting.

  174. “johnny d im sorry but that was a terrible analysis of the game… terrible d by zherdev?? r u kidding me? a) he scored taht shorty on nothing but defense, b) the goal ur talking about hank should’ve stopped but i am not blaming him, it was reddens fault…also girardi’s mistake yea ok i agree but common tehre were 7 seconds left in game and puck was in defensive end, chances of anything happening was like 1 in 100… gomez’s rush in, tahts sorta his job lol… get puck in set up for others…”

    Yeah Gomez’s job is to setup people, not turn the puck over. It was an awful giveaway. Naslund was going to the net and dragging defenders with him while Gomez skated right into all of them. He always does that in clutch situations. Hes so gifted with his speed but his decision making is that of an AHLer sometimes.

    Also I’m not pissed about the Girardi thing at the end, I was just pointing it out because it was funny how he faked himself out. haha.

  175. ok I watched that 3rd goal again, still think Zherdev should’ve gotten there, BUT the major issue I have is that Redden should’ve just played the puck around behind the net because Gomez was on the far boards wide open. There was a bunch of open ice there even though its in front of the Sharks bench. So yeah, I’ll blame Wade for that one too.

  176. Salty
    December 20th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
    loneranger, I didn’t even say that… I was quoting someone else. Although I agree, there are maybe 3-4 players who are OVERachieving and NONE of them are who we NEED to be over achieving. Sorry man, but you’re just a dumb dick.

    Sudden loss of memory Salty- get your crap together. If hot air were bucks you could underwrite our country with a massive bailout
    Salty
    December 20th, 2008 at 1:13 am
    You guys are all smoking crack. All this talk of trades is giving me gas. Dubinsky? Really?! Callahan = Rissmiller?! The biggest issue this team has is lack of a decent system and no accountability; and all that stems from the coaching. Not every AHL allstar can hack it in the NHL. I have a distinct feeling that if we ditched Renney, Pearn and Pellino, suddenly we become a much more prolific offensive team and still be defensively minded. Every player that comes here underachieves. I can’t think of one player on our roster that is OVERachieving. Maybe a couple are playing to their ability. We trade good young talent, they’ll go elsewhere and show us how wrong we are. The replacement we get will inevitably underachieve as well.

  177. Prucha, Korpikoski, Rozsival for Hanzal and Lisin

    Betts and Fritsche for Tkachuk

    Gomez, Redden, 1st rounder, Sanguinetti, Sjostrom for Kovalchuk and Hainsey

    Kovalchuk-Hanzal-Zherdev
    Tkachuk-Dubinsky-Naslund
    Dawes-Drury-Callahan
    Voros-Anisimov-Lisin
    Orr

    Potter-Girardi
    Staal-Mara
    Kalinin-Hainsey

    Coach: Hartley or Laviolette or Tortorella
    Assistant coach: Graves

    yea bob, that 1st ine would for every 5 goals they scored would give up 10, the only place id put kovy would be with doobs

  178. Yesterdays loss had nothing to do with the coaching – pick on something else Renney-bashers. They played well but just got off to a terrible first 5 minutes of the game

    Couple of things:
    1. Is there anyone in this league more overrated passer/player than Scott Gomez? I agree with you jonny D – he’s is supposed to be known as a playmaker, but he turns over the puck all the TIME! This guy has been a real disappointment!
    2. Speaking of disappointments how about Drury. How many games have we watched where we barely notice the guy on the ice? I mean, there are games where I asked is Drury playing? when he was. It just seems like he vanishes too much.
    3. Voros – he is awful! big guy but dents like a tin can. Great first half dozen games of the season, but then what happened?
    4. Zherdeve was by far the best player last night. THis guy is underrated and plays his ass off both ends of the ice.

  179. esterdays loss had nothing to do with the coaching – pick on something else Renney-bashers. They played well but just got off to a terrible first 5 minutes of the game

    Couple of things:
    1. Is there anyone in this league more overrated passer/player than Scott Gomez? I agree with you jonny D – he’s is supposed to be known as a playmaker, but he turns over the puck all the TIME! This guy has been a real disappointment!
    2. Speaking of disappointments how about Drury. How many games have we watched where we barely notice the guy on the ice? I mean, there are games where I asked is Drury playing? when he was. It just seems like he vanishes too much.
    3. Voros – he is awful! big guy but dents like a tin can. Great first half dozen games of the season, but then what happened?
    4. Zherdeve was by far the best player last night. THis guy is underrated and plays his ass off both ends of the ice.

  180. why the Rangers want Keith T…. he is old as you people say.

    Drury is out there he does the little things, that is who Dru is. Stop expecting him to turn into like a scoring machine. He does the small things that people cant.

    Voros is like nowhere to be found. Was he on the ice last night?

  181. Who Needs Lohan on

    The real question is….

    Do the NYR not play like they did in the last 10 minutes all of the time beacuse

    a)their coach’s “system” doesn’t allow them to
    b)the players dont play with enough effort and passion until they are behind and desperate
    c)a combination of a and b
    d)both the players and coaches enjoy reading our post-game criticisms

  182. The mark of a good team is playing poorly and winning at the same time; the mark of a lousy team is playing as well as you can and losing. The reality is, that since the bang-up start in October, beginning with early November, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and New Jersey have all widely out-played the Rangers. If this trend continues, the Rangers can expect to finish fourth in the division, and it is not looking like we have the coaching or the personnel to turn it around.

  183. czechthemout!!!!! on

    Some thoughts on the game-

    First,I cannot emphisize how bad Wade Redden is!. His play has simply been horrid in almost every game.He is arguably the worst dman on the team,and the most overpaid player since the advent of free agency. I cannot beleive that the Rangers don’t have pro scouts who should have dk’d this asshole from even consideration as a signee. If Penis Pern recommended this clown to Sather,he should be fired just for that,forget about how horrid his running of the powerplay is.I mean it’s pretty embarrising when even a scrub like Kalinin is outplaying you,and Kalinin really sucks!!!!!!!!!!

    As for the game,it is quite obvious that when ever the Rangers play anything remotly close to a puck pressure,hard forcheck style similar to that of the Sharks and the Wings,they are a team that can do alot of damage to in this league.Unfortunatly,their coach either won’t allow or is to damn stubborn to emply it until the team is desperate.

    Although I don’t blame Renney specifically for this loss,it is more of an overall sympton of why I believe he’s not a good coach.He continuously fails to understand what type of players and talent he has.The Rangers were at times dominant
    in the thrid period when they were unleashed on the Sharks.Only the superb goaltending of Nabakov saved the Sjarks ass from a certain defeat.

    As for some of the individual performances;

    Cally-oustanding! He is starting to find his offensive game after Renney’s incsecent styfling of it.He needs to be allowed to let that part of his game to flourish.I think he can easily be a thirty goal player if given the proper linemates and minutes by the “coach”.

    Zherdev-was simply great tonight.Even in Renney’s prevent offensive system, Z looks like he may get around 80 or so points.Oh,he was also great at both ends of the ice tonight.

    Dubi-was real good tonight.He was strong on the puck and was creative with it,setting up sevral chances,only one was converted,unfortunatly.

    Staal- Was good as well.Mot as good as he was in L.A. and Anaheim.

    The King-Was good accept for the third goal.That being said,if Redden the putz makes the right play,that goal never happens.

    Overall,the team played like it did not belong on the same ice as the Sharks in the first 30 minutes(Renney’s “system” ).In the second half of the game they not only showed that they belong on the same ice,but were at times dominant(Renney’s “system” NOT!!!!!!!!!!)

  184. I am gonna go with B, their is passion limited. They seem to only get up for the real tough teams, and lax against the crappy ones.

    I am proud of them alot, minus Redden and Voros i personally dont like those two, but great job by everyone else.

  185. Staal played well, but that first goal was on him. He turned the puck over and didn’t cover his man.

  186. Who Needs Lohan on

    Although the Sharks have an edge in overall talent, I felt that their was one glaring difference between the two teams and that is the way they are coached to play. Michelletti consistently praised the Sharks going to the net which caused many scoring opportunities, especially in the first 30-40 minutes. I argue that they dont “go to the net” much more than the NYR do. The difference is, is that their forecheck is relentless, their players are swarming, moving FORWARD OR SIDE TO SIDE IN THE OFFENSIVE ZONE! This causes probably over a dozen more opportunities per game than we get, which is why the NYR always seem to have significantly less scoring opportunities than the opposition (despite what Sam and Joe tell you the SOG totals are) We only do that type of forecheck when we are down with half a period to go in regulation. That is the coach, NOT the effort of the players. So, when we are NOT in those last 10 minute desperate situations, our forecheck is usually 1 skater, usually moving BACKWARDS TOWARDS THE DEFENSIVE ZONE, either throwing a stick at the puck but always making sure to be aware of getting back into the defensive zone.

    Hence, to answer my own question from before, the reason why the NYR dont play the way they did in the final 10 minutes all the time like the Sharks or Redwings do is solely as result of the coaching “system” that we employ. Its only when Renney flips the desperate switch that we start to look good.

    Moral of the story, if you want to get points and play for low scoring games that may get us a shot at a regulation tie or to squeak out a 2-1 Renney special then Renney is the man to get you into the playoffs. But if you actually want to win a cup and not face an early exit, you need to make a change cause we couldnt compete with Mon, Bos, Was, Pit and probably couldnt beat PHI or NJD in a playoff series. We sure as hell couldnt win a 7 game series against a SJ or DET. It all depends on what your ultimate goal is. Mine as a fan is to win the cup. You????

  187. Lobster, Gomez had me yelling at the tv last night. Watching him skate up the middle with a good head of steam into the O zone and passing it off to the Shark’s d men when he could have taken a shot or at least dumped it deep. He did that too many times.

    I don’t think you can really let Renney off the hook for the bad start. Should they have not been prepared to come out strong going against the best team in hockey right now AND they are undefeated at home? Does Renney not understand the situational aspect of this game?

  188. PS. Zherdev is worth his weight in gold. There can’t be enough good things said about this kid. Sather made a fantastic trade. Too bad he offsets his good trades with horrific UFA signings/contracts.

  189. Does anyone else notice that since naslund/Zherdev moved from playing with dubi to gomez- that NASLUND has been invisible. He does not contribute anything to that line. I think he’d be much better suited on a line where he can handle the puck a little more- I would put him back with dubi/sjo.

  190. Naslund is the Sundin/Shanahan capitulation to signing an old guy every year, for this season. More imports like this we don’t need.

    Look, with Kalinen, Rozy, and Redden, and always with the possibility of a Mara collapse to his previous two season sub-par standard, this team just does not have the D to make an impact beyond Round 1, and frankly, just making the playoffs looks like a major accomplishment for this team, and is far from a certainty.

    Factor in Renney’s passive, “don’t make a mistake” style of suffocating his own players and I say it is just about time to start looking ahead to next year – starting with not making any desperation trades which involve parting with any young players or prospects for old junk, with one exception – Rozy and Prucha for Avery I think we could live with, if just for the emotional lift it would give us.

  191. Czech: Don’t you mean Cally can be a 20-goal scorer if given the right teammates? He is a very hardworking player, but his pro offensive skills are limited. He cannot pass the puck well and his vision of the ice is limited. What he does well–and this is no small thing on this edition of the Rangers–is shoot and pounce on infront opportunities. Thru 36 games Cally has only 3 assists; heck, that’s one less than Dawes (with no PP time) has in 10 fewer games played. Note also that not one of Cally’s nine goals is a game winner. He has not been able to deliver regularly in crunch time, but for that matter neither have many of his teammates.

  192. We have Dubi,Calli,Dawes,Prucha,Naslund,Veros,,,and 2-3 other guys that are all 3rd line or 4th,line players.We also have 5,,5th and 6th D-men.
    Sather, your job is to get rid of half of those guys and get us 1 tough d-man,and 1 person that can score.
    Lets face it know matter who is the coach of this team WE DO NOT HAVE THE PLAYERS TO GO VERY FAR IN THIS LEAGUE.

  193. Lone Ranger and Czech

    You’re both right. Any professional coach who has any smarts at all, will be able to win with this team, less the defensive mopes..we all know who they are. The talent is there. It’s just badly used by a coach who doesn’t comprehend what is happening on the ice.

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