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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s over: Sundin signs with the Canucks (Updated)</title>
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		<title>By: theflynn</title>
		<link>http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/12/18/its-over-sundin-signs-with-the-canucks/comment-page-5/#comment-120451</link>
		<dc:creator>theflynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brandon

Czech is right.

You are only partly right.

Coaching IS the problem. True, Sather has latched on to a bunch of 2nd raters in his &quot;player assessment&quot; mode, but it&#039;s the tactical movements behind the bench that occur which decide how the team will fare.
There&#039;s enough true talent on this team, that if used properly and in the appropriate instances that can decide the fate of a team. Renney is consistently inadequate in this regard ( and I have no idea what the other two assistants are doing to help out.) There is no reason ( as Brooks has FINALLY pointed out) for players like Roszival and Kallinen who continue to falter when subject to pressure and  continually get flustered in their own zone. There are different spot combinations that he could use ( for instance as he did the other night with Betts on the PP.) Good teams make this type of move all the time. Poorly coached teams remain chained to a rigid format and stagnate as a result.

He&#039;s strictly a prep school coach - nothing better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brandon</p>
<p>Czech is right.</p>
<p>You are only partly right.</p>
<p>Coaching IS the problem. True, Sather has latched on to a bunch of 2nd raters in his &#8220;player assessment&#8221; mode, but it&#8217;s the tactical movements behind the bench that occur which decide how the team will fare.<br />
There&#8217;s enough true talent on this team, that if used properly and in the appropriate instances that can decide the fate of a team. Renney is consistently inadequate in this regard ( and I have no idea what the other two assistants are doing to help out.) There is no reason ( as Brooks has FINALLY pointed out) for players like Roszival and Kallinen who continue to falter when subject to pressure and  continually get flustered in their own zone. There are different spot combinations that he could use ( for instance as he did the other night with Betts on the PP.) Good teams make this type of move all the time. Poorly coached teams remain chained to a rigid format and stagnate as a result.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s strictly a prep school coach &#8211; nothing better.</p>
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		<title>By: MAKO</title>
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		<dc:creator>MAKO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>czech

I need to add to your rant at Brandon.  

&quot;Scorers score goals. I repeat, scorers score goals. When you’re in the game, you’re in the game. Lines don’t score goals, players do.&quot;

Well then if goal scores only score goals then there will be 9-10 unassisted goals every game?  Lines absolutely score goals - they are called plays.

&quot;There have been plenty of player who’ve scored with regularity in more defensive minded systems… gomez being one of them.&quot;

Gomez has only scored 33 goals once in his career. Other than that season.  He has scored no more than 19 in every season of his career.  He is a play maker, NOT a scorer.

I also have played organized hockey when I was a kid, played college and in DIV 2&amp;3 in adult leagues.  So my playing experience is about 20+ years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>czech</p>
<p>I need to add to your rant at Brandon.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Scorers score goals. I repeat, scorers score goals. When you’re in the game, you’re in the game. Lines don’t score goals, players do.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well then if goal scores only score goals then there will be 9-10 unassisted goals every game?  Lines absolutely score goals &#8211; they are called plays.</p>
<p>&#8220;There have been plenty of player who’ve scored with regularity in more defensive minded systems… gomez being one of them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gomez has only scored 33 goals once in his career. Other than that season.  He has scored no more than 19 in every season of his career.  He is a play maker, NOT a scorer.</p>
<p>I also have played organized hockey when I was a kid, played college and in DIV 2&#038;3 in adult leagues.  So my playing experience is about 20+ years.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaspar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaspar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>howyagonnatellme:

I need a shot of something after reading that!</description>
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<p>I need a shot of something after reading that!</p>
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		<title>By: howyagonnatellme</title>
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		<dc:creator>howyagonnatellme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s no secret Tyutin has done wonderfully with the Bluejackets. The same guy we complained about regressing is one of the top guys in Columbus, and apparently the fans love him. 

Tyutin was a source of hope right before the lockout, and he played great his first season with the Rangers, but last year he clearly regressed. Now Columbus can&#039;t get enough of him.

Maybe he just needed a change of scenery...

Or maybe there&#039;s another key here.

Maybe the Rangers SHOULD have waived Prucha. If Petr gets waived, and succeeds... all of us in the &quot;fire Renney&quot; crowd has additional proof, beyond the regression of Tyutin, Prucha, and, this season, the disappearance of Dubinsky.

It makes no sense to let Prucha rot here. But if the organization worried about what might happen if they let him go? I find it just silly to think that 60 NHL goals is a fluke. Have stranger things happened? Sure. But you gotta give the kid a chance to get that back, otherwise you&#039;re wasting a potentially great asset. 

Is Dubinsky down the same path? Zherdev? I really, really hope not.

What makes Dubinsky better than Prucha? His fourteen goals last season... how many came from Jagr? How many of his assists were off Jagr&#039;s goals? Isn&#039;t that what we say about Prucha? Except for Prucha never, ever played with Jagr even strength, like Dubinsky.

I see Dubi&#039;s strength on the puck, his willingness to battle, his size are all great assets. But will we be talking about Dubinsky this way next year? I really hope not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s no secret Tyutin has done wonderfully with the Bluejackets. The same guy we complained about regressing is one of the top guys in Columbus, and apparently the fans love him. </p>
<p>Tyutin was a source of hope right before the lockout, and he played great his first season with the Rangers, but last year he clearly regressed. Now Columbus can&#8217;t get enough of him.</p>
<p>Maybe he just needed a change of scenery&#8230;</p>
<p>Or maybe there&#8217;s another key here.</p>
<p>Maybe the Rangers SHOULD have waived Prucha. If Petr gets waived, and succeeds&#8230; all of us in the &#8220;fire Renney&#8221; crowd has additional proof, beyond the regression of Tyutin, Prucha, and, this season, the disappearance of Dubinsky.</p>
<p>It makes no sense to let Prucha rot here. But if the organization worried about what might happen if they let him go? I find it just silly to think that 60 NHL goals is a fluke. Have stranger things happened? Sure. But you gotta give the kid a chance to get that back, otherwise you&#8217;re wasting a potentially great asset. </p>
<p>Is Dubinsky down the same path? Zherdev? I really, really hope not.</p>
<p>What makes Dubinsky better than Prucha? His fourteen goals last season&#8230; how many came from Jagr? How many of his assists were off Jagr&#8217;s goals? Isn&#8217;t that what we say about Prucha? Except for Prucha never, ever played with Jagr even strength, like Dubinsky.</p>
<p>I see Dubi&#8217;s strength on the puck, his willingness to battle, his size are all great assets. But will we be talking about Dubinsky this way next year? I really hope not.</p>
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		<title>By: noonan</title>
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		<dc:creator>noonan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jae: the ATL owner would be retarded to accept that trade.</description>
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		<title>By: czechthemout!!!!!</title>
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		<dc:creator>czechthemout!!!!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brandon-you don&#039;t have to play sports to be able to recognize if your team has an incompetant coach or not.Scorers have to be held accountable for not scoring,but only when they are not buring their chances.The problem with the team is that they are not generating many chances and that is squarley because of the coaching staff. A good coach,through his system, has to be able to put his players in a position to not only play good defense,but also to score.Than it falls on the players to bury their chances.You clearly don&#039;t watch many games because can you honestly say that the Rangers generate alot of scoring chances? the answer is clearly NO!!!!. Does Renney&#039;s defensive system prevent the other teams from getting many scoring chances? Once again the answer is NO!!!!.Only herculean efforts by the goalies have been responsilble for preventing a blood letting in almost every game.Contrast that with the Kings.They truly have a system that allows less than 25 shots a game.The problem with them is their goalteanding.That&#039;s what is holding them back.They Had 41 shots against us and at least 20 real good scoring chances.Only because Valli played the best game of his life were we able to beat them.If you don&#039;t beleive me,go on espn radio and see if you get a replay of Gomez&#039;s interview.

Quite honestly Brandon,no matter what I or any other Renney detractor says,you&#039;ll still defend Renney wheather we make sense or not.You see,you are like an abused wife.No matter what you&#039;re told about how bad the person is who is abusing you is,you still live in a state of denial and defend him.In fact there will come a day sooner rather than later that the &quot;coach&quot; and the Renneyaide that he spews,wiich, you and some of the other posters here have bought,hook,line and sinker will be gone,but you will continue to insist that it is the players fault and not his.It never is his fault you see,even he never takes responsability for anything that goes wrong.It&#039;s always blame the players,the media for the shitty powerplay,but never &quot;coach&quot; Renney.

And for your information,I played orginized hockey for 9 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brandon-you don&#8217;t have to play sports to be able to recognize if your team has an incompetant coach or not.Scorers have to be held accountable for not scoring,but only when they are not buring their chances.The problem with the team is that they are not generating many chances and that is squarley because of the coaching staff. A good coach,through his system, has to be able to put his players in a position to not only play good defense,but also to score.Than it falls on the players to bury their chances.You clearly don&#8217;t watch many games because can you honestly say that the Rangers generate alot of scoring chances? the answer is clearly NO!!!!. Does Renney&#8217;s defensive system prevent the other teams from getting many scoring chances? Once again the answer is NO!!!!.Only herculean efforts by the goalies have been responsilble for preventing a blood letting in almost every game.Contrast that with the Kings.They truly have a system that allows less than 25 shots a game.The problem with them is their goalteanding.That&#8217;s what is holding them back.They Had 41 shots against us and at least 20 real good scoring chances.Only because Valli played the best game of his life were we able to beat them.If you don&#8217;t beleive me,go on espn radio and see if you get a replay of Gomez&#8217;s interview.</p>
<p>Quite honestly Brandon,no matter what I or any other Renney detractor says,you&#8217;ll still defend Renney wheather we make sense or not.You see,you are like an abused wife.No matter what you&#8217;re told about how bad the person is who is abusing you is,you still live in a state of denial and defend him.In fact there will come a day sooner rather than later that the &#8220;coach&#8221; and the Renneyaide that he spews,wiich, you and some of the other posters here have bought,hook,line and sinker will be gone,but you will continue to insist that it is the players fault and not his.It never is his fault you see,even he never takes responsability for anything that goes wrong.It&#8217;s always blame the players,the media for the shitty powerplay,but never &#8220;coach&#8221; Renney.</p>
<p>And for your information,I played orginized hockey for 9 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Jae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to see Gomez and Redden gone. These guys have been lousy all year.

Trade to Atl: Gomez, Prucha, Fritsche, Kalinin &amp; Redden to Atlanta

NYR get: Kovalchuk, Williams, Reasoner and Havelid

lines:

Naslund, Drury, Callahan
Kovalchuk, Dubinsky, Zherdev
Sjostrom, Reasoner/Williams, Dawes/Korpedo
Orr, Betts, Voros/Korpedo

Staal/Rozsival (these 2 together seem to be doing well)
Havelid/Girardi
Mara/Potter or Fahey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see Gomez and Redden gone. These guys have been lousy all year.</p>
<p>Trade to Atl: Gomez, Prucha, Fritsche, Kalinin &#038; Redden to Atlanta</p>
<p>NYR get: Kovalchuk, Williams, Reasoner and Havelid</p>
<p>lines:</p>
<p>Naslund, Drury, Callahan<br />
Kovalchuk, Dubinsky, Zherdev<br />
Sjostrom, Reasoner/Williams, Dawes/Korpedo<br />
Orr, Betts, Voros/Korpedo</p>
<p>Staal/Rozsival (these 2 together seem to be doing well)<br />
Havelid/Girardi<br />
Mara/Potter or Fahey</p>
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		<title>By: noonan</title>
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		<dc:creator>noonan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i meant fine minus Redden..</description>
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		<title>By: Kaspar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaspar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WAIT I GOT IT!!

Redden to Ottawa for Neil?? 

Orr you are onto something.

Kaspars Girl friend is a big Ottawa fan,,,picture how everyone feels here about Ranger offense THEN MULTIPLY BY TEN how Sens fans feel for anyone other than the big three

Includes Vermette, Fisher, Kelly, Neil and the rest..makes Betts line look like the GAG line</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WAIT I GOT IT!!</p>
<p>Redden to Ottawa for Neil?? </p>
<p>Orr you are onto something.</p>
<p>Kaspars Girl friend is a big Ottawa fan,,,picture how everyone feels here about Ranger offense THEN MULTIPLY BY TEN how Sens fans feel for anyone other than the big three</p>
<p>Includes Vermette, Fisher, Kelly, Neil and the rest..makes Betts line look like the GAG line</p>
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		<title>By: noonan</title>
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		<dc:creator>noonan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>everyone stop bugging out.  the team is fine for right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>everyone stop bugging out.  the team is fine for right now.</p>
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