Rangers spend yet another day off ice (Updated)

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Tom Renney has again decided to give his team the option of staying off the ice, the third such day in the last 10. Eight players — Chris Drury, Blair Betts, Nigel Dawes, Dan Fritsche, Paul Mara, Dmitri Kalinin,  Wade Redden, and Henrik Lundqvist — skated anyway, while everyone else will have off-ice conditioning at 11:30.

This comes a day after a practice that was certainly hard on conditioning, but which Renney himself acknowledged wasn’t geared around teaching. That means not enough time to work on the power play or the defensive lapses that have continued to mar the team’s game.

What is Renney’s justification? I would imagine it has something to do with the fact that the Rangers will play three games in four days, and don’t have a true day off this week (following the back-to-back Friday and Saturday, the plan is to fly to the West Coast on Sunday).

But it still strikes me as odd, even troubling given the team’s play of late. We’ll meet with the coach shortly in hopes of getting an answer.

Update, 12:54 p.m.: So here’s the Tom Renney today about why there was no on-ice workout today:

“Just to change it up,” Renney said. “We went pretty hard yesterday got a real good conditioning day, and we had an off-ice session to supplement what we did off the ice.”

I asked the coach about whether he has enough opportunities to teach, which is something he’s expressed frustration with before.

“We did good video,” he said. “That’s the other byproduct with days like this and even yesterday. Just to make sure we do video to supplement what you might be trying to do on the ice and might not get to — or choose not to. As long as you have the opportunity to spend time with guys in front of the screen one-on-one or as a group, that’s teaching.”

But is video enough when it comes to an area like the power play?

“We do it every day. Pretty much every day we do the power play, and the video doesn’t lie,” Renney said. “So when you supplement the video with the on-ice work, that’s usually pretty poignant.”

Renney acknowledged that a day like today had been the plan for some time, and in talking to players both privately and on the record, it didn’t sound like they had a problem with it.

One discordant note, however, came from Chris Drury, who acknowledged he’d like to spend more time working on the power play.

“I do like practicing it,” Drury said. “I know it’s a hard thing practicing with one-timers and deflections off the ankles or pucks off the face. It’s kind of a tough area to keep going over and over at it. But I wouldn’t mind doing it a little more.”

In other news, Wade Redden is a possibility for tomorrow, although Renney said he was still leaning toward Corey Potter.

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  1. I can hear the chants now soaring through the garden rafters and past Messier’s retired banner: “FIRE RENNEY”

  2. This is beyond ridiculous.

    How on earth can he justify not, at the very least, working on a few set plays or concepts on the powerplay? They are the second-worst offensive team in the league, but they don’t need to practice?

    Sorry but it’s all downhill from here.

  3. Who Needs Lohan on

    Hey Sam, you say you will ask the necessary questions, but will you? See my post from the other day if you need a reminder, but someone needs to ask the real questions here! And if Tom uses the word NATUUUURALLLY in his response Id appreciate it if you punched him in the face!!!! Thanks…

  4. Goodness, you people are absurd.

    Anyone ever coach an NHL team?

    Anyone have a PhD in athletic training or strength and conditioning?

    Anyone know what it’s actually like to manage a team through an 82 game schedule?

    This is not a defense of Renney. This is me pointing out that it’s very easy to sit here and criticize a coach’s methods when the team is losing. Let’s see how the week plays out.

  5. Still Defense first BS

    “It’s amazing what kind of platform [defense] can serve to your offensive game,” Renney said. “We have to use quickness and a good second and third effort. In terms of trying to get some more scoring, we gotta fight [inside]. We’re not a really big team up front, so we gotta be quick [and] we gotta pounce.”

    No sh*t they arent a big team. This is the team YOU wanted.

  6. I can’t stand Renney but..

    I wouldn’t be able to tell you the training schedule of the Redwings or penguins and how that relates to success/failure..

    I’d rather stick to blasting him for pushing a psuedo-defensive system as the key to helping the offense ( as he did in todays Post artticle)and repeating that his whole system is based on Lundquist playing superbly or…losing

  7. Rob C,

    I have a BS, MS in exercise sciences and numerous certificates for strength and conditioning. The body does need rest, however there are 24 hours in a day. take at least an hour. Its their day job.

  8. Peter Laviolette please put us out of our misery.

    Also, can someone please tell me why this team doesnt ever seem to get one timers? Im watching NHL on the fly earlier(should have been studying) and all I see is one out of every 3 goals is off a one timer.

    Also why is it that crappy players night in and night out bury the puck on wrist shots to the top shelf and not one of our players can do that ever(again using NHL on the fly as an example)

  9. So your PP is at zero, you have the highest percentage of Short Handed goals in the league, and a pretty tough sched coming up after Atlanta and what does renney do? Day off boys!

    I swear to God this guy is making me insane.

    If this was my job, and I didnt hit my sales for the quarter or lost a huge sale because of my lack of preperation and work ethic, would my boss give me the next day off? NO!

    And if HAnk is on the ice, I’m sorry, but I’m telling the two PP units, hopefully redesgined with new personell, to lace up your skates and get the hell out there with him.
    Your Best Player, your Franchsie building Goalie, is out there killing himself thinking he has to be better when in reality, he’s not the problem, and the rest of the team is on the stationary bikes. Unreal.

    Am I wrong?
    Is Renney retarded?

    How can you not be practicing the Power PLay AT ALL!

    Sam Please ask Renney what kind of acid he’s taking, cause I think it’s maing him Hallucinate that the PP is first in the league instead of the PK.

    Please Sam, ask him a tough question today and beat him up about the PP.
    This is just so absurd that he’s not even concerned with it.

    Here’s some set questions you can ask:

    1.)By ignoring the MAJOR problems you have with the power Play, is it your hope it will jsut magically get better?

    2.)Does your defense first system that you’ve been blabbing about cover for your system not working with this new team?

    3.)Do Prucha and Staal EVER get a chance to be on one of the PP units for at least an entire game? BEcasue not sure if you noticed, your top players on the PP have done ZERO!

    4.) Why oh why would you EVER even think to Put Kalinen on any PP unit?

    I’m like everyone else here SAm, jsut absolutely flabergasted about the decisions this Brain surgeon is making recently

  10. Howyagonnatellme on

    If they worked on the PP or any strategies yesterday this wouldn’t be a big deal. We’ve heard time and time again how well conditioned the Rangers are… and that’s great, and to be commended. But at what point is it just plan silly to ignore the powerplay woes? That we are 29th in the league offensively? At what point does this become completely embarrassing?

    And in all honesty, it’s about a million times more fun to watch offense than defense. Watching the Calgary game was not only depressing, but it was boring. The most boring hockey game I have ever attended.

    We may not be coaches, but we have the right to express disappointment in this team, and in Renney, who’s decisions are constantly questionable. Gomez on wing? REALLY, Renney? We played shorthanded at even strength for about 30 seconds on Sunday! How in God’s name does that happen?

    Forgive me for being annoyed that the boys get another day off, while we continue to pay out the nose for tickets to games that they’ll show no heart in.

  11. GardenFaithfulinFLA on

    I mentioned this earlier – What I’ve been able to determine about this so-called ‘system’ is: musical lines every 30 seconds so no one knows who they’re playing with on any given shift and if they should be on the ice or not thus causing bad line changes (hey you-you’re on the ice. . . no wait comeback I didn’t mean you . . . I meant him or the eenie-meenie-minee-moe method), breaking up combinations as soon as they show signs of possibly gelling, stunting the growth and crushing the confidence of the younger players, not holding the ‘leaders’ of this team accountable and depending on Lundquist to cover up all everyone’s (those on the ice and those behind the bench) mistakes while being hung out to dry by his teammates. Sounds like a good system to me.

  12. The Rangers are a poorly conditioned team. How many times have they had to hussle back to prevent a 2-on-1 or 3-on-1, only to result in a goal?

  13. Just taking a shot here, but maybe it’s burn out factor? I mean it is a long season and we all know they came out of the gates strong… they’re in a down spiral obviously right now.

    Is Renney thinking that shoving their faces in it right now isn’t benficial for now or for later down the road?

    I dunno just a thought.

    Sometimes putting the pedal down harder won’t help.

  14. Rob C:

    I’ve played my whole life from Pee wee’s to College.
    And been on winning and losing teams throughout the years.

    Not once did I ever have a bad game, let alone a shut out or two losses in a row, where any of my High School or college coaches didn’t either beat us up the next day with a tough on ice conditioning practice, or work on what the problem was relentlessly.

    Tough Love works sometimes.

    So whatever Renney’s style is, or how it is to be a coach, one thing is for sure – HARD WORK PAYS OFF

    So there’s no excuse to not have the PP units out there, yesterday and today doing drills, practicing set plays, and trying to make sure all future shorti chances are averted.

    Oh and Sam, PS, can you ask SAther for a quote, cause the guy has been invisible for what 30 games so far this season? I’d like to get his take on how HE thinks the PP and the team in general is doing without the “look at the standings” BS Answer

  15. Mikey –

    I totally understand your point. But a lot of what Renney GETS CREDIT FOR AROUND THE LEAGUE (yes, other people think he’s a good coach, believe it or not) is that he knows how to handle the often fragile psyche of his players.

    I don’t disagree that you need to work on problems. Eventually you need to fix your weaknesses, especially when they involve facets of the game like the power play.

    BUT, part of his approach has always been to not put too much pressure on his players. Rightly or wrongly, Renney clearly believes the problems on the power play stem from the Rangers overthinking it and putting too much pressure on themselves. Whether or not he’s right…I don’t think we know yet.

    Know this: everyone is aware that the power play has been terrible. There are different methods to go about fixing it. What happens if it comes out and goes 2 for 4 against Atlanta and the Rangers win? CLEARLY, some of you will still complain that it didn’t go 4 for 4. But everyone’s entitled to their own opinion, Tom Renney included. He is the COACH after all.

  16. leatherneckinlv on

    It is alarming that they dont practice tactics and strategies..both on 5 on 5..4 on 4 and the powerplay especially when you look at the +/- on this team…the +/- on this team is very accurate and indicitive of the team play…I personally like Renney and yet beginning to doubt if he is a head coach material..he is more suited as an assistant coach in my opinion….that game against the Flames where a player was missing on the ice for 30 seconds is no one but renneys fault for changing up the lines so often..with no continuity and the shuffling of players it is another indication of why this team has no chemistry..also its time to do with Kalinin as was done with Rissmiller…and shed his salaru to another team in the nhL via a trade or make it a hartford salary

  17. Does anyone think that the reason he doesn’t work them harder is because he knows its his system killing these players??? Maybe he fears the revolt that would happen

    I’m just sayin…..

  18. Think about it?

    Gomex paid 7 million to be a playmaker? He cant play with Jagr in this system..he plays with Callahan or Dawes…now the idiot system is not only not working but its breaking down and…Gomer thinks ” renney mucks everything up and now I gotta be punished doing sprints??”

    Its a possibility no?

  19. Kaspar

    You and Riche’ may be onto something. Renney always “boasts” about the Rangers being “the best conditioned team in the league” if so? Then IS IT (like you said) the system that they are breaking down from? Maybe it is mental & emotional fatigue. I dont doubt that these guys want to win. There is no fun in losing. But somewhere along the way something is lost. Again as I have asked before. What is the harm in brining in a sports psychologist? or a motivational speaker like Tony Robbins? I mean it sounds silly but, it may work…

  20. Howyagonnatellme on

    “But a lot of what Renney GETS CREDIT FOR AROUND THE LEAGUE (yes, other people think he’s a good coach, believe it or not) is that he knows how to handle the often fragile psyche of his players.”

    Tell that to Marek Malik.

    Or Petr Prucha.

    Or Brandon Dubinsky, who a lot of people blame his slump on the benching he took a while back.

    I’m not saying Renney is awful or that he DOESN’T handle his players well, as he did wonders with fragile Jagr. But I don’t think this argument always flies.

  21. MAKO
    One reason for not bringing in the outside shrink or motivator may be that the answer is real simple…not saying my theory is correct, its a possibility but simple answers are never given to the press, especially this PC-talking renney guy

  22. Howya –

    Hope you were being sarcastic in this quote “as he did wonders with fragile Jagr. But I don’t think this argument always flies.”

    As Jagr had 123, 96 & 71 point seasons nice decline in points under Renney’s “handling system” LOL

  23. Howyagonnatellme; I think you were onto something and should have “included” Jagr in the list;

    120Pts
    96Pts
    75Pts
    Gone!

    Maybe thats not handling him so good, maybe?
    dont know if he could have gotten more out of him or not but I remeber jagr saying last year something like “The hardest thing in hockey is to score, but we play defense, …anyone can play defense..uits easy..thats why so many people play that way”

    anyone remember that

  24. Kaspar
    December 9th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
    MAKO AND I WERE SEPARATED AT BIRTH

    You think Mako has the same nose?…poor guy.

  25. Sam, I’ll tell you why Renney is taking it easy on these guys. He’s a yes man and wants to be friends with them. He’s got a geek complex since childhood and it means a lot to him to be liked.

  26. Is it possible I was just getting old(er) and I couldn’t keep up with the changes in the league? I had 120pts that season and worked my butt off all season…then in the playoffs… I gothurt, and then we got swept.

    Next season I tried to ‘save some’, and we got a little further in the playoffs.

    Last season, I saved up all my energy, didn’t mind not getting 90+ points because I understood that getting older, and playing hard everynight didn’t help me much in May. So I took it easy, and everyone saw how nasty I was in the playoffs since I had the energy.

    I know I was there, so it’s easy for me to see. So I understand if you guys overlook those facts.

    Why are we still talking about me anyway? Avery told me to go get the “moolah doolah”. So I did. But I haven’t gotten paid in like 2 months. Oil prices are down.

  27. Howyagonnatellme on

    Jagr said, specifically, that Renney was one of the best coaches he played for (if not the best, if I remember correctly). And he DID do wonders for Jagr, who was hurting in Washington, which is why I didn’t include Jagr on that list. Jagr was getting older, and yeah, he didn’t fit the Rangers’ defense style, which are additional reasons for his decrease in production.

    I might have included Jagr, but didn’t think to based on the success Jagr saw under Renney his first season, and the way Jagr still holds the utmost respect for Tom Renney. Although, yes, it is possible Renney was part of Jagr’s decrease in production.

    Do Prucha or Malik see Renney the same way? Doubt it. Although both DID have success originally under Renney.

  28. Howyagonnatellme on

    Jagr said, specifically, that Renney was one of the best coaches he played for (if not the best, if I remember correctly). And he DID do wonders for Jagr, who was hurting in Washington, which is why I didn’t include Jagr on that list. Jagr was getting older, and yeah, he didn’t fit the Rangers’ defense style, which are additional reasons for his decrease in production.

    I might have included Jagr, but didn’t think to based on the success Jagr saw under Renney his first season, and the way Jagr still holds the utmost respect for Tom Renney. Although, yes, it is possible Renney was part of Jagr’s decrease in production.

    Do Prucha or Malik see Renney the same way? Doubt it.

  29. On the topic of the 30 self-induced shorthanded stint… I wouldve LOVED to see any player on the bench just say ‘f-ck it’ and jump on the ice. Didnt matter who… it wouldve made my day

  30. C’Mon guys, this team was utterly dominant their first 2-3 weeks of the season. There were games where our offense controlled the puck for 15 out of 20 minutes of periods. It’s a matter of heart, and guys like Dubinsky, Voros, Gomez, Kalinin, Redden, and Roszival are all playing as if they’re all secure in everything and there isn’t a care in the world. We need the determination and heart to continue like the way we were.

  31. “I do like practicing it,” Drury said. “I know it’s a hard thing practicing with one-timers and deflections off the ankles or pucks off the face. It’s kind of a tough area to keep going over and over at it. But I wouldn’t mind doing it a little more.”

    One Timers???? When was the last time they actually tried that??????? Do the rangers even know what a one timer IS????

  32. Jagr HATED playing in Washington. He actually wanted to come to the Rangers from the Pens. There werent any of his “country men” except for Bondra on the team who he was friends with.

  33. Howyagonnatellme, Jagr also said that the 4th line (back in ’05-06 Hollweg-Dominic Moore-Jed Ortmeyer) was the best 4th line he’s ever had on any team. So what he said about Renney I would take with a grain of salt.

  34. Can we talk about Potter?

    I thought Potter played really well, except for two or three plays, which is to be expected from a guy making his NHL debut. Besides, he had to deal with a handful, being paired with Kalinin.

    Sam, any chance we could get some more thoughts from good ol’ RenRen about Potter? I guess he was pleased if he’s leaning toward using him again.

  35. You watch Elmer Fudd across the river fire coaches when theyre in first place; replacing them how nay times??? three??? in the last week of the season twice now??

    I just hope Sather has some guts and can see thru this shoot-out driven winning record; take out the goal you get for winning a shoot-out the Renneygers have been outscore this season…

    You want players worked out hard as punishment
    Sather should be having this stubborn coach do one-arms…on the ice!!!

  36. Howyagonnatellme on

    Prucha25,

    I agree with you 100%. This wasn’t my justification for keeping Renney around, though, that was my reasoning for not throwing Renney under the bus for Jagr’s lack of production along side those players Renney HAS hurt, like Prucha, Malik, etc. Because it is clear to me, at least, that Renney has destroyed Petr Prucha.

    My point just was that despite his rep for “knowing his players,” which is occasionally the truth (like with Jagr) it can also be very far from the truth (see the mismanagement of Prucha, the Dubinsky benching, the Malik handshake-whatever issue).

  37. Howyagonnatellme, Ok, I understand your point. I am furious with Renney for the way he has ruined Prucha. It’s heartbreaking, actually. Prucha makes one mistake from Renney’s perspective and he goes in the doghouse while a guy like Gomez is out there along with Drury doing NOTHING and keep getting rewarded with more and more ice time. I’m beyond frustrated with this organEYEzation.

  38. Howyagonnatellme on

    Prucha25,

    No one is angrier about Prucha than me. I fully understand your anger. In fact, it’s better that I DON’T get on the Petr Prucha subject. It’s the reason I’ve been annoyed with Renney for over a year… but after the Calgary game (which I attended) I see no hope in Tom Renney any more. I’m beyond angry. After the Prague incident, I don’t know how Prooks puts on that uniform everyday.

    When Joe spent the whole game last Wednesday talking about how “Prucha hasn’t scored in a full year” I almost punched my television.

  39. GardenFaithfulinFLA on

    Einstein – Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Remind you of anyone?

  40. Howyagonnatellme and Prucha25

    i must have cursed Joe mich 5 times about that crack of “Pruchas first goal in a year” and i think he did it a couple of times

    Idiot announcers, Idiot coaches, how do we root for this team?

    I leave that one wide open for one of you viscious Bas^%$@s

  41. Kasper

    Elmer Fudd:

    “On April 2, 2007, Lamoriello once again took over as interim head coach after firing Claude Julien. The firing took place with three games left in the season, when the Devils had the second-best record in the conference and were on their way to setting a franchise record for regular season wins.[2]”

  42. Leetchhalloffame on

    Prucha ain’t the answer. He may not have had many chances this year but he needs to be moved. Renney sounds like he’s sticking pins on a list of what not to do and then coaching based on where the pin lands. Power play with the non-production and all the SH goals against is a disgrace. Oh where, oh where have Voros and Dubinsky gone from their hot starts to the season?

  43. Kaspar

    Because we LOVE the TEAM. Not the Management or the Media that surrounds it. Well all except Sam LOL

    I was going nice on them…

  44. Thanks Mako

    and Elmer has won a few cups hasn’t he…

    If its good enough for Fudd its good enough for me….

    I cant remeber exact circumstances but I think L Robinsion once replaced Robbie Ftorek and later Lou took over for a burned out Robinson

  45. GardenFaithfulinFLA on

    One discordant note, however, came from Chris Drury, who acknowledged he’d like to spend more time working on the power play.

    “I do like practicing it,” Drury said. “I know it’s a hard thing practicing with one-timers and deflections off the ankles or pucks off the face. It’s kind of a tough area to keep going over and over at it. But I wouldn’t mind doing it a little more.”
    ———————————-
    Then as Captain why doesn’t he call his team on the ice after regular practice and work on it?

  46. Howyagonnatellme on

    Kaspar,

    Thank you, someone who makes sense.

    Prucha only played TWENTY games in that span of “a year.” Never getting PP time, and he never knew if he would be in the lineup and who he would play with. He spent some games only getting about 5 minutes a night, playing along side Blair Betts. It’s just so unfair to act like he’s been given chance after chance, when he’s been giving nothing but conflicting stories and a headache from the bench. Again, I honestly don’t know how he wears the uniform.

    What’s the odds we see Potter in the lineup tomorrow? I’m really hoping Renney goes with Potter, he had a good game, and there’s really no use in rushing Redden back.

  47. Rob C December 9th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    “But everyone’s entitled to their own opinion, Tom Renney included. He is the COACH after all.”

    Yeah, Hitler was the dictator after all. Did that make his opinion a sound one?

    Some of the players are starting to go public with their frustrations over Renney’s ineptitude. Maybe he’s not “Teflon Tom” after all. Now it’s our turn to raise our voices in protest.

    When you see Renney taking this reasonably talented team into the toilet with him, it’s our duty as fans to let him and the organization know that we aren’t going to shut up, bend over and take it any more. I hope the “Fire Renney” chants get louder and more numerous at every home game until Sather realizes that he has no other choice.

  48. “I hope the “Fire Renney” chants get louder and more numerous at every home game until Sather realizes that he has no other choice”

    rocketnyr ….

    Is it a fact they were chanting that the other night?
    I read someone here thought they heard that chant but not for a fact??

  49. I am glad Renney’s leaning toward Potter for tomorrow. I want to see the kid get another game or two in. He looked good on Sunday.

  50. Kaspar

    Yeah Ftorek was fired with a handful of games left in the season Robinson took over and Won the Cup. 2000 right? Dont know if Fudd was behind the bench for that last few games. I think Robinson & his last nerve was…

  51. I was at the Garden on Sunday and I didn’t hear Fire Renney. There were several “Sloppy Seconds” chants though. Perhaps on TV, that could sound like “Fire Renney”?

    That said, if they lose tomorrow, and if they’re playing poorly on Saturday (I’ll be at the game), I have every intention of starting a “Fire Renney” chant up in the 400s. Hell, I started that “Crosby Sucks!” chant in the October game which was apparently well heard on TV and got a Sam Rosen comment, lol.

  52. I think the Rangers have given Prucha every opportunity to reprove himself. They’ve sent players down (Dawes, Rissmiller) while he’s been on the roster. He’s getting paid a lot more than his on ice production deserves.

    Argue all you want about him not playing on the power play but tell me where in the NHL does a guy earn power play time without being good at his job at even strength.

    The five minutes of ice time isn’t exactly factual, he played two games last year with under five minutes of ice time – the rest are nine plus minutes and probably average around ten to eleven minutes.

    At the end of the day I think the reason he’s still wearing the uniform is he’s a professional and Renney is a professional. It sounds like there is a mutual respect, Prucha knows he needs to score to play and the organization hasn’t given up on him quite yet by trading him or waiving him.

  53. So this is the reasoning of an intelligent coach who just came off of two embarassing losses for not having a full practice:

    “Just to change it up,” Renney said. “
    Are you kidding me? What Tom, you want these guys to lick your ass and buy you a Beer after the game? Your the COACH!!. So GO COACH.

    “We did good video,” he said. “

    Again one of the dumbest answers. Video = Hard work? I don’t think so. You aint fixing sheet with this attitude

    But is video enough when it comes to an area like the power play? – Good question Sam!!

    “We do it every day. Pretty much every day we do the power play, and the video doesn’t lie,” Renney said. “So when you supplement the video with the on-ice work, that’s usually pretty poignant.”

    I swear to God if this idiot uses the word “poignant” one more time I’m gonna throw up. What the F is so “poignant about watching your zero % PP not changing?
    And if your CAPTIAN is saying he’d like to practice it more, then you know Renney is jsut full of sheet.

    Are you FINALLY gonna change personell on the PP?
    Are you ever going to admit it isnt working and use PRucha, Staal, Shoey, or ANYONE else who isnt on it currently?

    Renney acknowledged that a day like today had been the plan for some time, and in talking to players both privately and on the record, it didn’t sound like they had a problem with it.

    Who’s gonna complain about a day off?

    So let’s sum up what just happened.
    -Video reviews to get caught up on how horrible the PP is?

    -The COACH asks the PLAYERS if they want a day off and its all democratic = Day off. Again any business running like this would be OUT of business within a week.Horrible results = rewards?

    -The Coach says they practice the PP everyday, yet the Captain, in the same interview time, says he’d liek to work on it more. Some one is LYING

    Sam, I’m jsut over Renney’s idiotic decisions & comments today.
    I just can’t take it anymore toady.

    Talk to you all after we get 5 PP chances and zero goals from it on Wed night.

    I

  54. Chants are a start. I would obviously join one in a second.

    The other thing to start spreading the message and vibe is making/printing signs… even standard photo copies… Big Bold dark font. FIRE RENNEY on the front to hold up. Maybe on the back a write up featuring FACTS about the record and where we’d be without the shootout, etc… A list of all the points we go over here daily to maybe help some of the garden idiots understand what’s been going on on that bench for the last 3 years despite making the playoffs.

  55. Here’s my second placard:

    WE NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE IN THE NUETRAL ZONE AND MAKE APPROPRIATE DECISIONS WHILE ON THE ATTACK WHILE NEVER FORGETTING TO BE EFFICIENT IN THE DER…WHATS THAT GLEN?WHATDID YOU JUST SAY?

    YOUR FIRED!!!

  56. Mikey in NJ; Renney says “we do it every day” I think he means they look at video of PPs everyday. I guess to Renney that equates practicing. Another reason he needs to be out of a coaching job.

  57. PS. The MSG crowd needs to chant, “PRUCHA!” when they are on the PP. Maybe Renney will figure that out.

  58. Hey LIJoe..come back in man!

    I’ll bet those NFL layoffs include the geniuses that came up with that Buffalo game in Toronto heh?

  59. How about the chant of “Yukon Cornelius”
    I think that is what Im gonna change my user name to LMFAO

  60. Anyone post over in the BlueSeats? WTF is going on with that blog? I used to be a regular poster there and it never accepts my comments. Im starting to take it personal :P

  61. Yada, Yada, Yada….its like a broken record round here. Fire Renney because of this, and that and he can’t make a decent fajita..he’s got to go.

    Its all very well doing on ice work, but you have to back it up with some examples of where they were out of position, or demonstrate how they move the puck too slowly on the PP or keep getting out of positions and giving away shorties…thats where video comes in…and i have no problem with the coach changing the routine: the team is in a funk and donig things differently is a way to snap the players out of their current mindset.

    I’m not saying Renney is god, but while we are in 1st place in the division its pointless calling for his head. If we don’t make the play-offs or exit in the 1st round again i’ll join in the calls for his head, but until then my attitude is “come on boys, snap out of it, prove the doubters wrong…i believe in you”.

  62. ……….
    Despite many off-season changes to the roster, the Lightning are the worst team in the NHL, with a 6-13-8 record. In the 11 games they have played since Melrose’s demise, the Lightning have won just once.

    When Melrose was asked if that statistic gave him any glee, the former coach was very candid.

    “I’m not going to lie to you, yeah it does, and any coach who tells you otherwise is a liar,” Melrose told the Fan 590, adding, “I hope Tampa Bay doesn’t win a game in the next year.”
    …………….

  63. “I’m not saying Renney is god, but while we are in 1st place in the division its pointless calling for his head. If we don’t make the play-offs or exit in the 1st round again i’ll join in the calls for his head, but until then my attitude is “come on boys, snap out of it, prove the doubters wrong…i believe in you”.”

    I’m with ya on that 100% UK.

  64. Mako; maybe you’ve been banned for un-rennyious commentary??

    I had that happened to me at the Hockey News whenever I’d call on them, as a 3rd party, to be more critical of the league; my comment would be there and then after a few minutes wooooosh!! it was washed away…I even went to a different story once to post one and said “i’m posting here because they wont let me post it on the story its about” it was there for half-a-day..other people started saying”yea they do that to me too!” by the end of the day mine and everyone else who chimed in were deleted…you’d think I was exposing the real killers of JFK or something; you know…The Backstreet Boys…..

  65. Barry melrose is laughing all the way to the bank with close to 3 yrs pay from TB. and getting his espn gig back on 1/1. and if i was a TB fan i would love for my team to lose ALOT to get the number 1 pick again. and in 4 or 5 yrs be a powerhouse.

  66. Hey beer
    You think melrose would go as far as calling other coaches and giving away the goalies weak spots???

  67. We’re first in the divison, but we also have what, 7 shootout wins? Renney puts the 4th out in OT so we head into the shootout. That is absolutely moronic.

  68. OK beer me, you are down and on the record — if this team misses the playoffs or exits in the first round, you too will then be calling for Renny to be fired.

    extree extree read all about it!

  69. Same old story with you guys.

    Thankfully, none of you will ever coach an NHL team, let alone the Rangers.

    This blog isn’t even a microcosm of Rangers fans. It’s an exception b/c most people don’t believe Renney is the problem.

    The problem is personnel.

    Get a clue!

  70. wd – I won’t have to “call for it”. He’ll be reassigned upstairs anyway.

    Kaspar – no. “Barry Favre”??

  71. Man I thought Colins Cambelle sucked as a coach he looks like Scotty Bowman next to Renny!!!!!!!!! The only Renny system I want to see is his ass riding one of those Good Humor ice cream carts down on the boardwalk in the middle of January. Maybe he can sell that shit like he is selling HIS SYSTEM here. FIRE THAT SUMMERS EVE SMELLING RENNY

  72. I like that this place has gotten semi-cheery. It’s a nice change. It helps avoid realizing how bad this team has been playing. I love seeing the team through rose colored glasses, and everything’s alright in the world. Sundin and Renney will fix it all. I can only hope.

  73. HAHAHAH even still Kaspar – Its a problem internally with the site its self. I have tried to email Brett Cyrgalis about it… who knows what is going on over there…

    You should read some of the comments they are almost as bad as us…

  74. Hey Brandon

    I guess Roger Neilson( may he rest in peace ) wasnt the problem either. At least Mess had the sence to get his ass fired and I guess if it wasnt for Iron Mike we wouldnt have seen The Cup either. I agree the coach isnt the whole reason for winning or losing but ya gotta have a clue and the will to enforce it

  75. Brandon, I hate to tell you this but I’ve been reading this blog for year’s and the people on here are some of the most knowledgeable I’ve ever met when it comes to the Rangers and hockey. We may all not see eye to eye, but the truth remains that if someone is taking time out of their day to post on a blog or to read 98 postings from other posters, they’re probably a die-hard and they’ve probably been following for awhile. I have alot of friends outside the sport who follow, NONE of them are as up to date with the team as the guys on here…sorry. I just think the level of commitment people have to this blog is a sign of their devotion to the team and knowledge of the game in general. If most people here are saying fire Renney, he probably needs to go. If most people are boo’ing Renney in the arena, that doesn’t necessarily say much because many of them only know 5 minutes of hockey from the FAN or from a short article in the post…unlike many here who dissect TSN, ESPN, and other blogs for the nitty-gritty on the team and the league. I understand where you’re coming from but I agree to disagree with you on that.

  76. Hey Beer Me!
    thanks for the article…
    Funny, 2 of the last 4 cup winners fired…and both American to boot!! (conspiracy?)lets play
    you need to go back to 1999 to find a coach who has won a cup still coaching ( not counting last two winner) 4 have been fired in last season and a half!

    2008 Babcock
    2007 Carlyle
    2006 Lavilotte
    2005 lockout
    2004 Torts
    2003 Burns
    2002 Bowman
    2001 Hartley
    2000 Robinson
    1999 Hitchcock
    1998 Bowman
    1997 Bowman
    1996 Crawford

  77. Look at the most disappointing games since 06/07 that were also the most important (all in playoffs):
    OT Loss to Buffalo (twice in 06/07.. didn’t Kalinin score one? lol)
    Game 1 vs Pittsburgh debacle (went back on their toes like in the 5-0 MTL game)
    Game 5 vs Pittsburgh on Hossa’s offside OT goal

    OT OT OT OT OT OT OT

    No shootouts in the playoffs.

    Fire Renney.

  78. “This blog isn’t even a microcosm of Rangers fans. It’s an exception b/c most people don’t believe Renney is the problem.”

    There’s a solid argument. Brandon’s “most people” versus the many who come here every day and register their opinion. Who would you choose as representative of Rangers fans?

    Careful throwing those “clueless” comments around, bucko.

  79. “The problem is personnel.” …so Fire Sather & Renney will probably be gone too.Renney said these are the guys he wanted. Guess he’s just a YES man to Sather…..” poignant.”

  80. And for the last time… with out their 7 SHOOT OUT WINS that Lundvist won for us & Zherdev, SJOSTROM, Naslund etc

    What would their record be? They arent winning in regulation. When you ask stupid questions you get our “broken record” brilliant answers :)

  81. “Kaspar:

    Hey beer
    You think melrose would go as far as calling other coaches and giving away the goalies weak spots???”
    _______

    That would be hysterical, but useless. Nobody needs any more help to beat Tampa.

  82. It’s true that Z, Nas and Sjo win us the shootout (along with Hank), but they’ve had a combined ZERO breakaways during regulation this season (so it seems).. not to worry.. Drury’s had like 10 breakaways and one goal.. the rest he has the predictable slap shot.

  83. Phalanx
    They probably dont need help, you r right but doesn’t Melrose seem like that type of guy;

    Like Deam Wermer said in Animal house “He’s a sneaky little Sh**”

  84. “Brandon, I hate to tell you this but I’ve been reading this blog for year’s and the people on here are some of the most knowledgeable I’ve ever met when it comes to the Rangers and hockey. We may all not see eye to eye, but the truth remains that if someone is taking time out of their day to post on a blog or to read 98 postings from other posters, they’re probably a die-hard and they’ve probably been following for awhile. I have alot of friends outside the sport who follow, NONE of them are as up to date with the team as the guys on here…sorry. I just think the level of commitment people have to this blog is a sign of their devotion to the team and knowledge of the game in general. If most people here are saying fire Renney, he probably needs to go. If most people are boo’ing Renney in the arena, that doesn’t necessarily say much because many of them only know 5 minutes of hockey from the FAN or from a short article in the post…unlike many here who dissect TSN, ESPN, and other blogs for the nitty-gritty on the team and the league. I understand where you’re coming from but I agree to disagree with you on that.”

    Agree 100%. Im terribly happy that I found this place because i get to talk/read (for the most part) intelligent banter about hockey and the rangers.

    Hell, I have a buddy up here who claims to be a ‘diehard hockey fan’… and he text’d me last night saying ‘hey, i heard avery was suspended. whatd he do?’

  85. “Kaspar

    Phalanx
    They probably dont need help, you r right but doesn’t Melrose seem like that type of guy;

    Like Deam Wermer said in Animal house “He’s a sneaky little Sh**” ”

    Yea… hes does seem like that kind of guy.

  86. Fair points True Fans. I’ve been reading this blog for a while now and I would agree, most people in here are knowledgable, but I want to stress “most”, as in not “all”.

    The average fan doesn’t believe Renney is the problem. So, the suggestion of chanting “Fire Renney” or brining signs to the game are dellusional, simply b/c no one is going to join in, unless you guys all sit in the same section.

    Following the team closely doesn’t make your opinion correct. I attend 35+ games a year and watch the rest just like you guys. I also have played the game at a very high level, have an appreciation for the history of the game/team and read anything I can get my hands on.

    That being said, I vehemently disagree that Renney is the problem. I can’t even look at coaching when I see a roster with more holes than any other team.

    The Messiah himself couldn’t save this team. We need to bring in a star and only a star can right this ship.

    We have 3 lines of 3rd line players. We’ve overpaid for two defenseman who are underperforming and we’re paying two forwards 40-goal-scorer type money to finish the year with less than 50 points and no big goals.

    So, it doesn’t really matter what line you throw out there or who QB’s the power play or what your forecheck is until you can bring in a guy who likes to score. And when I say “likes”, I mean not going to pass up a scoring opportunity from 5 feet out with no one in front of him down 2 goals in the third period.

    Yeah, Mark Messier might have ridden Roger Nielson out of town for good reason, but that team also had Adam Graves, Brian Leetch, Alexei Kovalev and a young Sergei Zubov.

    We don’t have a star. Our star is our goalie and as much as I like Hank, he’s not Mike… never has been, never will be.

    So, call for Renney’s head all you want, but at the end of the day, who on this team is going to score GOALS???? That’s all that matters.

  87. kaspar – nice list. messed up too that Hitch was out of coaching for a few years since, then coached the flyers, now onto CLB.

    I don’t have time to get into the discussion, but let’s look at Lindy Ruff tomorrow. If I’m not mistaken, he’s been in Buffalo for 11 seasons or so and hasn’t won jack. Well, actually I think he DID win a “Jack” Adams Award. … So let’s say he hasn’t won sh!t. But still there over a decade.

    1 Finals appearance 10 years ago (won jack adams that year)
    3 conf finals appearances
    1 first round exit
    1 2nd round exit
    3 times missed (incl last year)

    outta here for the day

  88. The anti-renny gang believes he’s not coaching to the best of his players potential..so therefore they do not score

    The Renny-supporters think the coach is doing just fine..its just the guys dont score goals

    and round and round we go

  89. Brandon

    If you had made this “personnel” argument in the early, very successful stages of the season, instead of cheerleading with colorful pompoms for Renney as you were, your posts would be easier to take seriously.

    You didn’t. So I don’t.

  90. Gresch,

    I’ve been talking personnel since the off-season, and I haven’t seen much of your name in here pre-October (my apologies if you’ve been here longer) so that’s probably just a product of you joining the conversation later in the game.

  91. Yes!! I remember you from there now. LOL I got a NO-NO warning because I was commenting on how DEEPEE do that “q*eer” Chest Jump thump when they win. Now you knowby stating that how long ago that was. And I spelled that questionable word just like how I did now. I got a warning from Jess (tool).

    Anyway. I was actually talking about the Blue Seat blog on the post web site. :) Smart good guys over there… Just like here. Im glad to be apart of it now. I have read all of your comments for a while now :)

  92. Brandon

    Maybe you were all over the subject in the summer. But I have been here consistently since training camp, and read nothing from you about the horrid personnel when the team was playing well in the season’s first three weeks. Not a word.

  93. * Dipietro & _______ Insert Islander name here, so that q*eer chest jump thump thing. Sorry my bad…

  94. So, the suggestion of chanting “Fire Renney” or brining signs to the game are dellusional, simply b/c no one is going to join in…

    ……

    Agree’d. This is why I proposed putting literature on the back of the printout with FACTS as to why they should consider joining “the movement”.

    Agree 100% that most fans don’t know/care whats going on on the bench. The Garden is full of sheep night in, night out. That’s not to say anyone who supports Renney is necessarily a sheep… it’s just saying that many garden fans might not think of Renney as a factor because they have just never thought anything very far past “potvin sucks”. I think it would be fairly easy to sway a casual fan against Renney with some simple FACTS and a little influential write-up.

    Think about it…All you’d really have to do is sell the point that Renney is well on his way of losing/ruining Lundqvist and I think you’d have the Garden ready to rock.

    It’s not about mindless chanting. It’s about informing people and pushing the message. I think the message would get moving pretty quickly, especially if we keep getting shutout at home.

  95. Daily, I reference “personnel” as the reason for this team’s problems and susequent reason why Renney should not be fired.

    I’ve also combined that with saying if there is anyone that should “go”, it’s Sather. Which clearly implies that personnel is the problem.

    If you’re referring to a few posts I made in early October about Renney being a top coach in the NHL, I still stand by that.

    I see nothing to challenge otherwise until we have the right peices to the puzzle.

    Those posts have been minimal to my personnel posts, so you’re a bit off.

    I’d say otherwise if you were spot on.

  96. Whats the matter Salty?
    Don’t trust the TV announcers/ media to provide that stuff??

    (No offense Sam)

  97. That’s fine and dandy, but the GM needs to go first. If you want to take them both at the same time, so be it.

    Here’s a guy who’s gone through more coaches then Kristin Dupre went through politicians. He’s also been here for 10 years and have relatiely minimal success.

    It annoys me that you guys want Renney gone before him.

    Perhaps if you admitted Glenn messed this whole thing up (BTW, he hired Tom) then maybe I wouldn’t argue against Renney going as hard.

    Fact is, Glenn has NO CLUE what he is doing and is WAY past his prime.

  98. Salty makes a great point – I completely agree.

    Brandon, I agree about your points on the roster. I think you fail to mention two parts though: Renney’s “system” which is supposed to be defense first is clearly not working because there are odd-man rushes all over. Renney’s “system”, when its put away late in games the team is losing, proves to be hampering the team because they are more successful then than at any other points in the game. You also fail to mention that Renney is over-playing guys who are playing lazy or bad. He did it early with Drury, now with Gomez, and in the middle with Rozsival. That’s just bad coaching. He also benched Dubi and Z when they had committed far less egregious errors than other players were (because they’re “not veterans”) and while I’m on this rant it’s increasing to more than 2…Renney also juggles the line so well Barnum and Bailey should ask him to audition. He had a very good line in Naz-Dubi-Z but they got broken up because of 1 bad game. Well, Tom Renney, that line was the only one who produced any consistent offense in the past 6 weeks. And he broke them up, as he always does.

    Renney may not be the cause of this team’s failures, there are ALOT of missing pieces in the roster, but he sure ain’t doing anything to help them. He’s impeading their success, mis-managing the bench and time, he’s lost most player’s trust, and he’s even allowing LAZY players to continue playing 20plus minutes a night…All those things lead to lazy performances and hanging Hank out to dry. Therefore, I’d have zero problem if Renney walked. Salty points out that it won’t be so easy and the ways to do it, but I really think this ship is sinking and the right coach could right this ship before it hits the bottom.

    Brandon, if you also consider past performance…the ship was sinking two years ago when the Rangers were in 10th place and aquired Avery to finish something like 27-9-4 [something ridiculous like that] and when Avery came back from injury last year they were sinking lower down the conference and Avery’s return sparked the team again. Without Avery, Renney may have already lost his job. I credit Renney tremendously for managing the personality of Avery and the locker room around him. Obviously, Dave Tippett never figured it out. But Renney has to credit Avery for likely having saved his job at least once, if not twice.

  99. Fair points. We should be playing signficantly better defense in his system.

    That’s the best argument I’ve heard for him being fired to date. The PP, 4th line, line comobs have all been nonsense up until that post.

    I’ll give you that.

    But, to play devil’s advocate: Defense gets pretty boring when you’re not scoring, and I think this team lacks some major confidence right now which is affecting their play on both sides of the ice.

    It also doesn’t help that Kalik and Redden may be the worst pinching D-men in the NHL.

  100. No, I’m simply wondering why when the team started so well you weren’t ringing the personnel alarm bell —- the way that others like me were ringing the coaching alarm bell in spite of that quick start.

  101. Brandon, you forgot 1 part…Rozsival probably is the worst pinching D-man in the NHL!! haha…main point is that I agree with you. I really do.

    I found something interesting: Its the SI predictions which were posted the week Avery was aquired in 2007 (2006-07 season). http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/scott_wraight/02/06/power.rankings16/1.html
    They say:
    “New York Rangers (25-23-4)
    Where’s the production from the first line? Jaromir Jagr, Michael Nylander and Martin Straka have been nearly invisible over the past three weeks. Maybe all the big minutes they piled up in October and November has caught up with them. Brendan Shanahan’s lack of production isn’t helping. After bolting out of the gate with 12 goals and 18 points in his first 13 games, the veteran winger has lit the lamp just four times in his last 22.
    Early Prediction: *11th in East*”

    Avery saved his bacon that season and I think w/o Avery Renney’s already out of town.

    I think Renney is an OK coach. He’s the best we’ve had in awhile. He’s an awesome personalities manager (similar to Joe Torre). But is he the guy for this team? I’m not sure, I don’t think he cracks the whip hard enough. He makes mistakes, but who doesn’t right?! My general belief is that if Renney stays, I believe the Rangers may be jeopardizing their playoff chances becuase players really aren’t working very hard and Renney’s system is suffocating player’s talents. Obviously, if they get close to missing the playoffs you’ll see Renney fired near the end and either Sather or Schoenfeld will finish the season. But right now, us fans who are the pessimists are prognosticating a significant fall come February, March, April…the outlook for this team seems bleak under Renney. I don’t think he can be replaced now, they lead the division afterall. But if they keep dropping like a stone, cut Renney and hope someone else will spark them.

    Maybe that’s part of it too…the only guys out on the ice with any spark are Hank, Mara, and Zherdev…that’s just sad. If Renney can’t start a little spark, try someone else.

  102. Brandon Sather has set Renney up. If he fails he’s gone. Sather only goes when Dolan’s pocket gets hurt. Renney with the best personel is not a good coach. He is a smart hockey guy. He’s pretty much reached his level. 2nd round exits are as far as his ability will take him. He’s just riding Lundqvist. He destroys the offense and the power play. He’s a defensive system & penalty kill guy, that’s not a head coach. He looked good in the past because he had Jagr , now look at his offense. ZILCH!….This is Sather’s disaster, and he will bury Renney for it, unless he gets to the playoffs. This team has no shot at the finals as is.

  103. Brandon
    Hank isnt Mike—– PLEEZ I loved Richter too BUT he had Leetch,Bueke,Ulfie and a list of other OUTSTANDING dmen in front. I wonder how Hanks GA and win% would be if he had 1/3 of that defense corp. Renny is a MORON and he`s gonna ride Hank till he either punches him in his face or he burns out like Blackburn

  104. PS Dont forget it was Rennys boy Pearn who vouched for Redden and wanted him here. What does that tell you, That the coaching staff is a bunch of PUSSY lovers

  105. I would take Poti at $3.5million over Blowzusall and GoodReddence any day, how sad is that? Blowzival at 5million and Redden at 6million just can’t offer that much more than Tom Poti did.

    It’s funny, I made a similar comparison between Drury and Cullen yesterday. For $3.5million much of RangersNation wanted Cullen out of town…now that Drury’s here and making twice the salary, he’s got almost exactly the same numbers and nobody says anything. Very interesting.

  106. Kurt

    “That the coaching staff is a bunch of PUSSY lovers”
    – – – – – – – – –

    I love PUSSY too! should i feel bad abOOt it? lol

  107. Yup… “..everyday we do the power play, video doesn’t lie..” It certainly doesn’t. The PP is horrendous and predictable, like a bad video. Chalk talk, walk through, run through.

  108. The Rangers as a team are totally out of sync [Renney’s fault] individually each player is mentally confused [Renney’s fault] they are totally without leadership, behind the bench and on the ice. === Z makes a tape to tape pass to Gomer and thiers no shot WTF == Z if you keep making passes like that , I’m going to make you a healthy
    scratch for a game or two.

  109. Ralph, you blame Z for Gomez forfeiting many of his chances to shoot? Sit Gomez! He’s not playing defense or setting anyone up (which is what he’s supposed to be good at) anyway!

  110. Sam:

    What in your view is Dawes’ immediate—and long-term— future with the Rangers. Is he completely out of the team’s plans? I’ve not heard any questions or comments from or to the coaches concerning whether they are considering putting him back in the lineup in an attempt to address the team’s scoring woes. He scored 14 goals last year in limited playing time and, if he caught fire, could help. He’s one of the few who doesn’t generally hurt the team defensively even when he’s not scoring. (Last year’s +/- leader at +11).

  111. Scary stats: Both Dawes and Callahan have identical .3 points per game totals to this point in the season. Cally with 9 points in 30 games played; Nigel 6 points in 20 games played. (Dawes is down from a .475 points per game last season when he totaled 29 points in 61 games.)

  112. They seriously look at video of the PP and haven’t figured out whats wrong. Here’s what they setup as:

    http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3686/rangersppop3.png

    I can tell you about 100 things that are wrong with that picture, but the two most important are the following:

    1) They setup on one side of the ice, so the PKers on the other team only have to cover a smaller area of ice, instead of spreading it out a bit and making them travel further to get the puck if they pressure. Also the shots are so much easier for the goalie to stop because he never has to move off his angle. If you spread the ice a bit more, you get the goalie moving side to side which increases the chances of him being out of position enough when you can rip a shot passed him.

    2) The shot is coming from the corner, and in the case of Mara, Girardi, and Redden, the shot is usually a floater from the point that isn’t even on the ice (usually about waist high) and it gets blocked and cleared before it reaches the tops of the circles. Kalinin is the only one that takes a quick slapper, however he always misses the net while Rozy doesn’t shoot that much (even though he’s improved).

    In that case, I don’t see why Redden doesn’t move more towards the middle so him and Girardi force them to spread the ice and end up being a bit closer together so they aren’t making long passes from D to D. Now mind you I don’t support using that PP strategy as when I play and coach, I like to keep the puck moving across ice to get the goalie moving from side to side, but this strategy can work if they set it up right.

  113. Oh and I should also say, that I know a key to this strategy at times is to get the puck low to where I have Nazzy listed in that diagram. Then Girardi would creep down behind the D and stuff it home into the wide open net, but they rarely do that and its not open as much as they would like because Drury needs to come more to the slot. I think they just need to decide if they are going to shoot from the point or keep the puck low in the corner. Seems like they want to keep it low, but end up just shooting it from the top because of the lack of puck movement and just skating in general.

  114. Thnx MOM! thnx for letting me use your VCR… and doing my laundry last week

    P.S. I LOVE YOU. THOMAS

  115. akayama – you do make me laugh. have to admit you are devoted to dawes. but comparing him to others not performing – at a 24 point pace for the year, as gomez says what can i say.

    the deal is some of the so called best players have to produce (gomez, drury, dubinsky, the high priced d men). if they do then the Rangers can put you and I in the lineup. or pick any from cally, dawes, korpo, fritsche, prucha. i think it might be about the style renney preaches since the scoring issues are not old and existed when jj and shanny were here as well.

  116. Dubi or not Dubi on

    I really don’t know if Sather is a worse GM or Renney is a worse coach. Sather has gone through what, four coaches and how many different directions? However, Renney wanted this style of players to play his style; he didn’t like the way Jagr played and Jagr didn’t care to play for him (Anyone else think he could have scored 85 points if he wanted to?).

    I’d also like to share a little story. My high school football team had 25 guys on it, we were easily the best conditioned team in our division. All we did was conditioning, but not much practicing. We finished 1-7. My point is that you can skate until you throw up but if your team isn’t practicing what it’s bad at, you just can’t win.

  117. Mako

    So this is where you wound up? I was wondering what happened to you. The Blue Seats still functions, and the old
    gang is still there. YOur posts missing were proably due to the system. I had y, and (now the Type Pad} system it changed everything around. It wasn’t personal. ( I thought that too.) We also lost Rikil and watchtheleafs, too but that may be due to transfers.

    I’m surprised to see this many Renney antis here…some of these blogs still seem to extol him in God like terms.

    From my perspective…the major problem with this team is lousy trading by the GM and a head coach who is more suited to the Ivy League than the NHL.

  118. alex b (the poster formely known as czechthemout!!!!) on

    There is a reason why people are given homework when they go to school.It is what is needed to PRACTICE the current work being done in class so that one can get better at it.Someone should tell professor Renney that in order to improve something,it is necessary to PRACTICE IT!!!!. This is a proven method verified by thousands of years of human history.

  119. I wonder if Renney runs around talking about what a great book he just read, and then, when pressed on it, remarks that actually he never read the book, but he saw the movie.

  120. LI Joe:

    Don’t worry; my devotion to Dawes may be rivaled ultimately by my devotion to Grachev when he finally shows up at the pro level. Meanwhile, my true fix is Ranger success; at the end of the day, I want to win and don’t care what combo of players contribute. I would say an obvious shortcoming of the Ranger PP is how slowly they move the puck around the zone; too much hesitation and inaccuracy in passing and shooting translates to everything (puck and/or player) arriving too late to be of consequence. A successful power play is ultimately like the legal definition of obscenity: you know it when you see it. The Rangers have produced too few stellar plays with the extra man; when you add the “obscene” number of shorties they’ve given up while having the extra man, the Rangers should be executed for failing to execute!

  121. Tomorrow, in lieu of a morning skate, the team will instead be playing against the Thrashers in NHL 09 for the XBOX 360 – that may not seem realistic, but each player will, in fact, be using the new “be a pro” mode. It’s really pretty poignant as player preparation and participation goes, presently.

  122. I think Sathers EGO will make him sign Sundin!!

    It scares me to think of some of the trade combinations he might come up with to make this happen….cause I believe it will happen.

  123. Akayama49

    This is to notify you that you have been cited for using a Renney catch-phrase — “at the end of the day” — in your last post. This is just a warning.

    But should you resort to “Quite honestly” or “What we need to identify with” or “poignant” (especially when discussing video tape of the Rangers’ power play), you will liable for significant fines and/or imprisonment.

  124. Ford,
    haha I find myself saying “quite honestly” from time to time- It always makes me think of renney.

  125. theflynn

    Hey!! no I was trying to be funny about the “taking the personal” about the site. Yeah I have tried all sorts of ways to post on there. If you do still post tell all the fellas I say hi and I wish the damn site would take my posts. Damn I think I posted like 15 times LOL

    Thanks for saying HEY

  126. Yeah the argument posed by Drury about guys getting whacked by shots, etc if they practice the PP is ridiculous. Here’s an idea – practice gaining the zone! Practice carrying it across the blueline, or dumping and chasing, and then setting up from there. And then, do everything but take the shot. Get guys moving to the net, cutting back door, gat some one touch passing going, quickly, to get the defense out of position along with the goalies, and open up shooting and passing lanes. Is the only goal of the PP shots from the point?

  127. Quite honestly, I like it when Renney says naturally because it makes it seem like he knows which parts of hockey are just “part of nature” and the other parts that arent

  128. FORD

    Astute observation. Guilty as charged. (I think I’ve even started using the term “puck management”, while in the presence of children). In an unrelated matter, I sat in my season seats on “Kids Day” and observed how appropriate the game was, a 4-0 loss at home to the team in 15th place in the conference, in that how better to indoctrinate 5000 new, young Rangers fan to the true meaning of rooting for the Blueshirts. Expect occasional grief, offset by periods of exciting hockey. True Ranger fans know that truth, and you’re never too young to learn it.

  129. Aside from the blue seats there aren’t many real Ranger fans in attendance at any game.

    A neighbor who knows I’m a Ranger fan invited me to a game last season in his company’s luxury box. There were 15 “fans” in the box, but me and one other guy were the only two who gave a shit about the game.

    The other 13 stood in the back by the bar drinking and “networking” and not once did they turn around, even when a goal was scored.

    I had season tickets in the blues from the late 70s until ’90, and there weren’t many non-fans in attendance. If you didn’t pay attention to the game back then, someone would tell you to get your ass out to the corridor if you wanted to talk. Times sure do change.

    Most of the kids attending the games now have the most expensive Ranger jerseys on, and their faces painted, but all they care about is getting their faces on the big screen. That’s because the parents aren’t fans either. I think most parents bring their kids to a Ranger game only because they couldn’t get tickets to the circus.

    The point of all this is that it’s gonna be tough to get the fans fired up enough to demand Renney’s head. Most of them, aside from the blue seats, are like sheep and clueless. The only way it’ll happen is if the fans in the blue seats lead the insurrection.

  130. C’mon guys, the real reason Renney gave them the day off is so they could go to Best Buy and get their Blu Ray Copy of Dark Knight and make their own commentary and put it online like in the bonus features.

  131. Easy there rocket. I have seasons in the greens and my 7 year-old doesn’t miss a single play out there, he’s as diehard as they come. In terms of the quality of fans I think little has changed. Anyone with even a passing interest in hockey wouldn’t bother going to the game to sit in a coporate box because they’re too damn far from the ice. Beyond that I think the fans have an excellent sense of when the team is playing well and when they’re not. This team’s been getting booed despite being in first place for weeks because they’ve played badly.

  132. Beyond that I think the fans have an excellent sense of when the team is playing well and when they’re not. This team’s been getting booed despite being in first place for weeks because they’ve played badly.

    …..

    Great point.

  133. With Sather heading for retirement whats stopping him from signing Sundin and maybe talking someone into taking a Rozy off our hands by including a Dawes or , dare I say it, Dubi?

  134. “C’mon guys, the real reason Renney gave them the day off is so they could go to Best Buy and get their Blu Ray Copy of Dark Knight and make their own commentary and put it online like in the bonus features”

    Ahahaha, so true.

  135. I think we are going to win tonight, but not convincingly and mark my works, Bryan Little is going to score a goal on us.

  136. Best case scenario:
    We beat up on a very bad team tonight and it gives us confidence and then beat up on Jersey because we just own them the last little bit now, and then we play very well and beat Carolina, in front of Sundin who is attending the game and it makes him decide to play in NYC at a decent enough price that we don’t have to have a fire sale to get him.

    Worst case scenario.
    We beat up on a very bad team tonight for most of the game and get “chances” but don’t put the puck in the net. So we lose.
    The we lose to NJ and go further down the shit tank.
    Then we play against Carolina and Matt Cullen scores a hat trick against us, and at the end of the game Colton Orr, “accidentally” collides with Cullen and breaks his face open. Then Sundin decides, “Hmmm, with a big chunk of Vancouver’s travel time out of the way, and all that money on the table, I think I will sign there, instead of playing for this shit show of a team.”

    Remember NYR fans, Hockey is Different Here!!!

    MUWAHAHAHAHHA HA HA HA

  137. Kaspar December 10th, 2008 at 8:09 am

    With Sather heading for retirement whats stopping him from signing Sundin and maybe talking someone into taking a Rozy off our hands by including a Dawes or , dare I say it, Dubi?

    If Dubi goes I think I’ll puke and then start following the KHL…

  138. It is sad to say, because I have some really great things in my life, and when the Rangers are playing well, it just makes everything a little sweeter. But when they are losing, I still have those same great things going on, but it just isn’t the same. Know what I mean? I guess that is the life of a Die Hard. Let’s Go Rangers!

  139. Good to see a community of knowledgable fans. I’m assuming some of you also play?

    I’m not the best guy on the ice by any means, but I’ve been playing long enough to know that most “chemistry” only comes about after playing with the same guys for awhile, and learning how they read the play and see the ice.

    Every once in awhile, 2 guys will click immediately, but I think the coaches should be able to figure much of that out during practice. Bottom line is that as bad as the rangers power play has been, for the most part, they’re losing games at even strength (thanks to consistently outstanding PK and PK goaltending).

    Lines need time to develop. Renny is haphazardly rolling the dice, and it’s hurting the team. He needs to stick to some combos.

    Also, the D-men are given too much liberty/encouragement to pinch, which is why we see the 3 most “offensive minded” of them getting caught in hellacious positions game in and game out. we need to systematically scale back on the pinching and D-men on the rush. It’s not creating any offense, so let’s drop it and stabalize things here.

    The talent is good enough, and there’s enough youth here to have a better team in April than we do now, even if there are no acquisitions. Let’s go with that plan for now, and see how it shakes out after the next 10-15 games. And find a damn spot for Prucha on the PP.

  140. Peter

    Agreed. My father always had season tickets sec 317/318 seat 4&5 row A. Used to bring my mother when she was prego with me LOL even when I was a baby I went fell in love with the game and the team 33 years later still a die hard. – Worst decision I ever made. My Father had SC Finals tickets he asked me which game I wanted to go to. There was game 5 & game 7 in his hand. I took game 5 and said “Pfft this series isnt going to game 7″ You could imagine my how I felt….But I had a fantastic celebration nonetheless

  141. “It is sad to say, because I have some really great things in my life, and when the Rangers are playing well, it just makes everything a little sweeter. But when they are losing, I still have those same great things going on, but it just isn’t the same. Know what I mean? I guess that is the life of a Die Hard. Let’s Go Rangers!”

    _______

    Im the same way. When the Rangers are playing well, it seems to just be the ‘icing on the cake’ so-to-speak. But when they are playing as they have for most of this season… it brings everything else down a notch

  142. “It is sad to say, because I have some really great things in my life, and when the Rangers are playing well, it just makes everything a little sweeter. But when they are losing, I still have those same great things going on, but it just isn’t the same. Know what I mean? I guess that is the life of a Die Hard. Let’s Go Rangers!”

    DITTO

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