Where would the Rangers be without shootouts?

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The Rangers are now 4-1 in shootouts, including wins in each of the last two games. If there were no such tiebreaker, would they still be in first place?

What if they had to keep playing until someone scored an actual goal? Is it possible they’d still be on the ice, with a ragged and delirious Henrik Lundqvist stopping odd-man rushes at one end, and a tireless Blair Betts missing the net with wrist shots at the other?

The point is, the shootout, of which I am not a big fan, has helped gloss over some untidy efforts this season. But by the same measure, it also colored an otherwise encouraging showing against Edmonton last week in a negative light.

There is no real sense to it. Were the Rangers a better team last night because Craig Hartsburg, in a moment of temporary insanity, tapped Jarkko Ruutu? Does Nikolai Zherdev’s shootout goal mean he’s no longer in Tom Renney’s doghouse?

The answer is probably no on both. And yet the shootout, which conveniently disappears in the playoffs, takes on an oversized importance in the regular season. Sure, it’s fan friendly. But to steal a line from a friend, girls in bikinis would be fan friendly, too, but that doesn’t mean they should be deciding who’s in first place.

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Speaking of Zherdev, I wasn’t aware until this morning that the wing didn’t come out when he was named the game’s second star last night. One would assume it had to do with Renney’s benching of him in the third period, but it merits a follow-up.

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  1. sam u really do steal oher peoples material. This shootout post u just made is exactly what i was talking about to my roomate last night.

    big fan of the girls in bikinis by the way

  2. Zherdev didn’t come out because he was like the 1st or 2nd into the locker room and the guy in the arena that was supposed to grab him missed him. And instead of running out of the locker room to be named #2 star he just stayed in. It didn’t help that he wasn’t happy with the benching or how he played (he definately cares about his performance no matter what people have said in the past), but I think it was more of a miscommunication thing with the arena guys rather than him just ignoring it. Its happened before when guys had to run back out of the locker room, but since he was like the 1st in it would’ve been dumb.

  3. REPOST (for stats purposes):

    We really better hope Henke is like this all year and doesn’t hit his slump because we will probably be hurting without him. I mean I’m definately one of his biggest critics since he usually is great for only one half of the season, but this year its been pretty ridiculous, especially when you look at how bad 4 of our 6 d-men are at giving the puck away. Kalinin and Redden have been better, but Rozsival just finds a way to have everything hop over his stick and Girardi really must think hes Gretzky by setting people up in the slot at least once per game…except instead of an assist, he’d get a giveaway. I love what the kid does to get the puck, but his decision making with it is just brutal to watch.

    Stat of the day: Last time Henke has given up more than 2 goals was exactly one month ago against Detroit when he yielded 5. Also he has only given up 2 GAs in two of his 18 starts this year (Buffalo – 3, Detroit – 5).

  4. Sam – Keep up the good work on the ‘one stop shopping’. Love it. However, I disagree with your stance on the shootout. I DO agree that there are better ways to decide a winner though. Do you believe that the team would play, and be coached the same if the possibility of ‘stealing’ a point in the shootout wasn’t there? The topic is nothing but speculative, with no right or wrong. It’s a “what if?”. If a team wasn’t awarded a point for tying after 60min, would they play the same the last few min? (recent games excluded due to back to back come from behind 3rd period victories).

    Salty – I may print and frame that post you had about Renney. “On the fence” is the closest I think you’ve ever come to giving the guy credit for anything, and it provided a chuckle just knowing how much of a climb it’s been for you to get to the top of the proverbial ‘fence’. haha

  5. johnny – I think that’s the case too. But the media and fans will blow it out of proportion regardless. Never thinking that it could have just been a mistake.

  6. I think it’s time to stop complaining about the shootout. For better or worse, it’s part of the game for now, and every team has the opportunity to benefit from it. Yes, it has allowed the Rangers to make up for some sloppy play and the needs to fixed, but at least they’re showing enough character to steal these victories.

  7. The lst 3 wins, Henrik has been incredible, yet he faced 30 shots from the Devils, 23 shots from the Bruins and 27 from the Senators.

    All three games without our best forward who just happens to be a great two way center.

    Sorry, I don’t think Henrik is being overworked at all.

    Some of you guys may be praying for his “slump” to arrive so you can come on here and be proud that you were right, I don’t think it’s happening.

    We have played the most games in the league by far, the schedule only gets easier from here, lots of days off coming.

  8. Jonny D — You’re right about Girardi. And while Joe and Sam tore Z a new one last night —- after, of course, having no idea why he was benched in the first place —- none of Girardi’s daily gifts to snipers on the other team ever get a mention.

  9. Yeah Gresch, I hate Girardi.

    See him come back on ice and take a regular shift after getting stitches on his eye brow last night? What a pussie low life.

    I hate that guy.

    I hate guys who bust their ass all night like Girardi, it’s horrible.

  10. so… if the rangers make the playoffs this year, without 1/2 that equation, what happens? is it just “Lundqvist = playoffs”?

    ….

    If the playoffs began tomorrow? Abso-f*cking-lutely.

  11. I have a feeling there was an argument or something in the lockerroom during the 2nd intermission and that is why Zherdev and Voros were benched. Zherdev was really pissed when he scored in a shootout.

  12. Curly aka Dude — So in your world Zherdev deserves to be benched for a lackluster shift. But repeated giveaways by Girardi cannot even be mentioned.

    Nyuck nyuck nyuck!

  13. Other teams get the same bump from shootout points. If you take away every teams shootout points we are probably still top 3 in the east.

  14. uh in case you ahven’t noticed, D-men tend to get more time on the ice, because less of them are on the team… 4 lines of forwards (plus 3 scratches each night) as opposed to 3 pairs.

    You bench 1 d-man, another guy has to be there pretty much 1/2 the time or more (his regular pairing plus pairing him with the guy who’s partner got benched).

  15. Nah Gresch, I agree with you

    Girardi is horrible.

    Considering we didn’t dress a 7th defenseman last night, I would have put the peanut vendor in section 121 on the blueline and benched Girardi the rest of the game.

  16. REPOST

    Gresch…you clearly took the short bus to school. I am guessing you and Bob are the same person, but that’s just a supposition.

    I wrote: “You guys know any teams that have won a Cup with a crap goaltender? On the other side, have you known any teams that were OK in their system and bulwarked by a Vezina-like goalie? I know the answers to those questions. So should all you other dopes.”

    Hey Gresch you idiot. You are one of the dopes I was referring to. Basic English lesson for you: When you see the words, “On the other side,” in a sentence it usually means, “in contrast to the previous sentence,” you f-ing buttnut. You respond to that statement by saying, “Yes plenty of those guys go deep into June fighting for the Cup.” That was what I said you sh*t-for-brains. That was why I CONTRASTED it to the previous statement referring to winning a Cup with a crap goaltender.

    Gresch when you learn to read English and speak in sentences that make sense, then come back to this blog. For now, why don’t you and Bob go circle jerk each other.

    And by the way, how long has Renney been at the helm of the NYR? Is the team progressing upwards or downwards? You have the mental age of a 5 yr old I think. When are you due back in Boystown?

  17. Pay attention Stooges! As the record shows, I have never suggested Girardi be benched; Renney scotched the idea of a 7th defenseman actually pushing the resident 6 long ago.

    I am simply laughing at the fact that Girardi’s daily Lemieux-like feeds into the slot and onto the tape of the other team’s best scorer cannot even be mentioned —- by Sam and Joe in the booth, or you buffoons on this board.

  18. sorry Gresch, I go to the games, so I can’t really comment on Joe and Sam.

    Have you ever been to the Garden?

  19. Newman — You really are even STUPIDER than I thought.

    I was being sarcastic when I wrote: “Yes plenty of those guys go deep into June fighting for the Cup.”

    Teams with OK systems and Vezina goalies do not win Cups, dolt!

  20. I’m kinda waiting for Gresch to hate on Betts and call Renney a hyena. Its only a matter of time before he slips.

  21. It really bothers me that this Gresch guy actually uses the name of one of my favorite Rangers of all time.

  22. wow… Newman… might want to simmer down there rocky… aside from you being content with our goalie shouldering the laod while we continue to squeak by with impotent offense… your writing and question was not as clear as you might think it was… I personally read it over myself about 3 times in a mild attempt to figure out what exactly you were saying before moving on to the next post…. the bottom line is there is no reason this team should not be more of an offensive threat on the power play at the very least.

  23. Man, when they start asking you if you’ve ever been to the Garden, you know the ammo is running low.

  24. Gresch,

    You seriously need to get laid dude. With that name, it’s obvious you’re still harboring some animosity over Carol Alt being hot as fire — probably still kicking yourself for letting her go.

    You start all your posts with some kind of name calling. I don’t know who you think you are, but I can gurantee you’re probably not such a tough guy in real life.

    You can’t handle that you’re opinion — which is not the authority by any stretch — happens to not coincide with some of ours.

    Check yourself.

  25. *the only time he has had a slump was when he was worried that his father was going to die, he never has had a “slump” at any other time in his career*

    ….

    This phrase is worth repeating and will be referenced any time this poster tries to sound credible again. It is evidence of a bandwagoner who sees through rose colored glasses and would likely swaller a healthy tablespoon of throatgack from their beloved swedish prince, given the opportunity.

  26. “Jonny D—You’re right about Girardi. And while Joe and Sam tore Z a new one last night——after, of course, having no idea why he was benched in the first place——none of Girardi’s daily gifts to snipers on the other team ever get a mention.”

    Its because he makes plays on the defensive end and takes the body pretty well. Hes solid defensively for sure, but its his decision making with the puck that shows why he wasn’t drafted. I don’t hate the guy, but I also see his faults (which is something I’ve consistently done since hes been up with the Rangers). One of these days hes going to get burned by a bad giveaway. I mean the other night, had Bergeron scored on his tape to tape pass from Danny, that game is completely different. He just lucked out that Henrik was able to make the stop.

    I’ve noticed he tries to go up the middle now instead of making the simple chip up the boards like he used to do, which is why his game has kind of declined in that aspect the last half of a year or so. It should definately be pointed out more, but it probably won’t be since hes kind of a fan fav and does his fair share of good and hasn’t actually been burned yet.

    “I have a feeling there was an argument or something in the lockerroom during the 2nd intermission and that is why Zherdev and Voros were benched. Zherdev was really pissed when he scored in a shootout.”

    Um no. Z and Voros were benched because they were kind of dogging it in the game when guys like Betts, Sjoie, Korpedo, Dawes, and Fritsche were getting more offensive chances and trying harder than they were. Z wasn’t necessarily pissed when he scored, but more showing his frustration from just having a bad game. Of course the media is going to make it sound like hes upset or angry with Renney when I’m sure hes just frustrated with himself.

    Hes probably one of the most misunderstood players in the league and I really hope this isn’t the start of it here in NY or we’re going to ruin him even more than Columbus did. Hes a good kid who cares so much about his play and what people think of him that when he shows emotion about how mad he is by his own play, people take it to think hes frustrated with the people around him. If he was an American or Canadian boy doing the same things that he does now, he’d be considered passionate. But because hes a Russian player that was pretty much stolen from there by Columbus, hes a bad teammate that lacks discipline and only cares for himself.

  27. I found it funny that Salty berated someone’s post for its lack of English skills when he has problems spelling.

    I thought that was just special.

  28. Sjoey! THAT’S what you do when awarded extra ice time.

    Betts is 10goals per season away from a selke nomination.

    I hope Orr gets the opportunity to bitchslap ruutu on saturday.

    No more sympathy for Shanny, now (reportedly) turning down offers.

  29. The Devils won a few Cups with Marty….do you think they were an awesome team? I think they were an OK system with an awesome goalie….as in, team with OK system wins Cup behind Vezina goaltender.

    You like apples?

  30. damn my control and V keys keep getting stuck! howd my keys get so sticky???

    *the only time he has had a slump was when he was worried that his father was going to die, he never has had a “slump” at any other time in his career*

    ….

    This phrase is worth repeating and will be referenced any time this poster tries to sound credible again. It is evidence of a bandwagoner who sees through rose colored glasses and would likely swaller a healthy tablespoon of throatgack from their beloved swedish prince, given the opportunity.

  31. New Newman,

    right you are!

    I can think of a few teams who also rode a hot goalie all the way to the finals as well.

  32. haha salty. I sure hope that’s the case. But it musta been a 2-day conference then.

    newman – There’s a formula. That’s it. And you just have to have the patience and timing to put the right pieces together.

  33. The Devils defense was pretty amazing back then, however without Marty they don’t win those cups (maybe 2000 they would but the others I don’t think so). I made that point before, but when we had defenders that turn the puck over in our own end like its their job, Henke can’t stand on his head for a whole season and playoffs. They need to be better and more accountable in regards to outlet passes.

  34. Timing is critically important. A year ago I dumped all over Betts, among others, primarily for his utter lack of an offensive contribution. In retrospect, we now know that Hollweg held up the production of Betts and Orr, in just about every facet of the game, last year. They are markedly improved, now that the worst player in the NHL has moved on.

    This year, to dump on Betts for anything is utterly absurd. Except for Zherdev, Betts is playing the best all-around hockey of any Ranger forward, so far this season.

    Yes, I have been Mara’s biggest critic here, for a long time. But to dump on him now would be ridiculous timing. All four D’s not named Kalinen or Rozsival are making a huge contribution this season. Mara on D, and Betts among the forwards, have worked as hard as anyone to improve their game, and we should all be giving credit to them for actually performing above their natural ability level, up to the level of their considerable desire to produce and contribute.

  35. Ahmen Salty,

    it’s truer every time you repeat it.

    It’s quite amazing that Henrik has been a Vezina finalist each of his three years in the league despite this phantom slump he supposedly has EVERY YEAR.

  36. REPOST

    Does anyone have a link of the Ruutu shootout shot?

    I was at the game and as I recall it – the puck rolled off his stick to left, he curled ahead of the goal line and shot the puck at net.

    According to the rules, a player must stay in continuous motion (which he did) during the shot and the puck must not cross the goal (which it didn’t). The play is not over until the puck is shot.

    Ruutu is a dirty mother-effer but based on what I saw live and reading the rules, he didn’t do anything wrong. That said, I’d love to see the replay.

  37. cakewalk – Not often folks voice their ‘swing’ like that, nice job. And all true. I dogged betts his 1st year with the team. Then found out what his game was all about.

    johnny – GREAT point. Stevens, Neidermayer, Rafalski, etc. They were a well constructed TEAM.

  38. Technically the puck was shot b/c it did slide off his stick, albeit he basically whiffed. Second, he stopped skating forward and started skating completely perpendicular to the net with his back turned. Third, the reff had already blown the play dead and signaled.

    The “continuous motion” you’re referring to is a FORWARD motion. It doesn’t mean you can just skate cirlces around the ice continuously. I.E. you can’t go past the goaline with the puck. You also can’t go backwards with the puck. However you can skate backwards, going forward, as St. Louis often does.

    So, you’re a bit off and you’re stretching the “rule”.

  39. If the Devils’ system was just “OK” during their Cup years (limiting the scoring chances Brodeur had to face each game to the low single digits), then what do you call the Ranger system (pile up the scoring chances!) we are looking at today?

  40. It’s not just a coincidence that Canadian coaches prefer to blame European players first for not scoring before they blame Canadians. Zherdev, Prucha benched, but Dawes never misses a shift, even though he’s only played decently since Korpikoski showed up. Crosby pouts and dives but that’s ok because he “cares” — Jagr never dove, but he doesn’t care. It’s a joke, and the press rarely talks about it. It would be great to see an NHL team coached by a former European player — maybe we’d see some offense. But no Canadian GM will hire a European head coach. But they’ll hire Barry Melrose!

  41. as in, team with OK system wins Cup behind Vezina goaltender.

    ….

    Newman, this really something you want to take to the bank man? It’s just not something I would count on. We have the tools to be much, much better than we are (yes, even atop the East… I BELIEVE WE CAN BE BETTER)… I think that is, was, and always will be my point, and a lot of other peoples point. We are not “dominant” despite what the record shows. But we could be.

  42. Salty…have you taken your meds today? You’re saltier than usual.

    How do you figure that you read my post 3x and still cannot understand it and I am the idiot?

    Try this example and we will build on it. “That guy is the best player on the team. On the other hand, those two players couldn’t score on an empty net.”

    Read that 3x and tell me if you get it.

    Then read this (for the 4x I am guessing): You guys know any teams that have won a Cup with a crap goaltender? On the other side, have you known any teams that were OK in their system and bulwarked by a Vezina-like goalie?

    (Now maybe I should have included the phrase, “and won the Cup,” for all the remedial English students on the blog. As in I had been discussing “the Cup” and in the previous sentence by saying it doesn’t happen w/ a crap goaltender and then CONTRASTED it in the very next sentence, signaled by the words, “On the other side.”)

    Try again. See if you get it. I am guessing Nasty’s elementary school class can get it. Sorry if you and Gresch cannot.

  43. Good points Brandon. In reading the rule again it does say motion towards the goal line so I guess going away from the net ends the shot.

    As a side note – I don’t think the whiff counts. I seem to recall guys whiffing the shot and still taking it without the play being called dead. Also, isn’t one guy’s move to pretend to whiff the shot (ie a fake over the top) – I think we saw this twice this season although I can’t remember the player.

  44. And BTW do I want to go to the Cup w/ Hank supported by no one but himself? No. Of course not. (Do I think that is the case right now? No.) But for everyone to say that this team sucks but for Hank is just stupid.

    That’s like saying that the Giants sucked on their march to the Superbowl last year except for that they had Eli Manning.

  45. “It would be great to see an NHL team coached by a former European player—maybe we’d see some offense.”

    I don’t disagree with that at all. But 1/2 the league would be gone. No more enforcers.

    Dawes would be a better pick than Dubinsky in that league.

  46. Dude — This is how old I am. I went to the last game (vs. Detroit) at the old Garden and the first game (vs. Philly) in the present one as an eight-year-old with my father, a fan since the ’30s.

    Since then? Only probably been there to see the Rangers about, um, seven hundred times.

  47. “It’s quite amazing that Henrik has been a Vezina finalist each of his three years in the league despite this slump he supposedly has EVERY YEAR.”

    …..

    fixed/agreed.

    to call Lundqvist’s yearly slump’s “phantom” is really killing your credibility. That’s pretty much the only thing you CANNOT deny about Henke. He has hit a pretty big rut in each of his years… and I agree 1000% it’s very amazing he ‘s still been a finalist every year… that just goes to show how hot he is when he’s hot…. but you really dug yourself in a hole with this pearl of wisdom:

    *”the only time he has had a slump was when he was worried that his father was going to die, he never has had a “slump” at any other time in his career”*

    -Dude94

    P.S.- The Winter 2006 olympics called

  48. cake – WOW… lots of respect for admitting when you’re wrong. That’s RARE on here. NICE.

    Salty – you gotta admit to some extent, Renney is handcuffed by the contracts that we have… Yes we could be a MUCH better team, but with MULTIPLE LARGE contracts for a few years, its hard to make the moves that need to be done. For better or for worse, a coach has to do what he can with the team he has.

  49. actually KC – I mis-read that the 1st time. That (1) team would get pushed around pretty bad. If ALL the teams (which is what I thought you were saying) were coached by euro’s, then my reply applies.

  50. “Salty – you gotta admit to some extent, Renney is handcuffed by the contracts that we have…”

    What large contracts?

    Besides, I’m not even talking about making moves at all. I’m talking about working with what we have. Look at our PowerPlay… it should be top 10 at the very least. We’re at the bottom of the barrel.

  51. “Yes, I have been Mara’s biggest critic here, for a long time. But to dump on him now would be ridiculous timing. All four D’s not named Kalinen or Rozsival are making a huge contribution this season. Mara on D, and Betts among the forwards, have worked as hard as anyone to improve their game, and we should all be giving credit to them for actually performing above their natural ability level, up to the level of their considerable desire to produce and contribute.”

    Mara has really been our only awesome defenseman other than Staal. If I had to rate our D-men right now it’d look like this.

    Mara – just playing great all around and making very few mistakes. pay this man his money.

    Staal – Same, had a handful of bad games but that happens to 15 year vets…and hes only in his 2nd year.

    Girardi – Plays really well defensively and good in the offensive zone, but his defensive turnovers will eventually be killer. Does more good than bad but needs to be more responsible with the puck

    Redden – getting settled in I guess and has been ok, but we pay him over 6 mil to be better than ok

    Kalinin – hes probably the most offensive d-man we have, but he barely gets points. always in the rush, sometimes tries to do too much. has been better of late though.

    Rozsival – great guy that I never thought was all that good to begin with (laugh at me but Malik made him look better than he was), but really is just completely lost with the puck. I always said he was indecisive with the puck since 2 years ago, but most people said he was just patience. I mean I feel for the guy and I hope he improves, but hes a 2nd or 3rd tier d-man being paid near 1st tier d-man money.

  52. Gomez, Drury, Rozie, Redden. I think, cap hits for those 4 alone are 25M (give or take). I like Gomez and Drury, but I think they’re overpaid. Redden & Rozie I dont like as much, and they’re both overpaid. That’s 31M to fill about 19 spots. That limits a guy.

    Plus, we’re not set up to be such a great offensive team, can I ask why you’d say we should be a top 10 Power play? We REALLY lack finishers on this team to be able to say that.

  53. Newman, for what its actually worth, the reason I was confused by what you wrote was not as much in the writing, but more the point you tried to make… when I thought about teams that were really, REALLY carried to a cup by a goalie, I couldn’t think of any teams since Montreal last won in 92… so I read over to see if maybe I missed something, because that point kind of sucks and I didn’t think you’d be going back so far.

    As mentioned, Devils were a well constructed team, it may have been all about Marty… but why don’t they win every single year if that’s the case?

  54. GRESCH:

    I was there, too, Feb. 11, 1968, final hockey game in the old Garden (and final event for the old Garden) a matinee game vs. Detroit, which the Rangers came back from down 3-1, to tie. Great thrill in the pre-game ceremony to see Rocket Richard, wearing a Montreal red jersey, skate down to ninth avenue end and put the puck into the net, for the final time. I was sitting right behind that net.

    Walking out of that hallowed shrine for the last time was one of the most emotionally-gripping moments of my life. Really loved that place, great hockey and college and pro basketball memories, and I am one of many who can relate to growing up there.

  55. Being that I hate games ending in ties, and understand how strenuous regular season schedules can be (imagine the Rags having two triple OTs in Prague that would suck!), I am a fan of the shootout, and its magical disappearance as the regular season merges into the postseason.

    Plus on the upside it draws more fans–WHICH WE NEED THE STUPID NBA HAS MORE ZOMBIES WATCHING!

    To each his own, though.

  56. Gomez, Drury, Rozie, Redden. I think, cap hits for those 4 alone are 25M (give or take). I like Gomez and Drury, but I think they’re overpaid. Redden & Rozie I dont like as much, and they’re both overpaid. That’s 31M to fill about 19 spots. That limits a guy.

    ….

    Didn’t pick up my sarcasm? I loathe our contract situation and have come to accept that it will cost us *at least* one of: Dubinsky, Staal, Zherdev.

    why top 10? I think we have the tools and talent…just lack the guidance, PP system…

    NASLUND DRURY GOMEZ ZHERDEV DUBINSKY REDDEN ROZSIVAL(!?) STAAL

    there are teams that are able to turn lumps of shit into stars with the ma advantage….when we’re giving up shorties with all this talent I think it comes back to coaching.

  57. Salty

    “P.S.- The Winter 2006 olympics called”

    ummmm, didn’t Henrik lead to his team to the gold medal?

    Salty, this is how low you’ve sunk, you are desperately searching for instances when our goalie has had tough stretches.

    That’s sad, it’s sad.

  58. Walking out of that hallowed shrine for the last time was one of the most emotionally-gripping moments of my life. Really loved that place, great hockey and college and pro basketball memories, and I am one of many who can relate to growing up there.

    ……

    Yeah, but did you ever see Phish drop into an epic 2001 jam in the old Garden? ;P

  59. Jonny D… your sentiments on Niki Z are spot on. When you see the type of goal he scores, it is hard not to expect him to score every game. His aim is impeccable. He is the first true sniper we have had in years. Girardi is great at covering the man, but like everyone else here has said is a little scary when he plays the puck. The season is a long ride. We are only a quarter way through. It is great to be in first place, but the offense and power play really need some work. The stat about Hank only letting in more then 2 goals twice so far is amazing. Can anyone argue that we have the best goalie in the league right now?

  60. Cake

    That building was the best. So many kids remember the first time they entered a baseball stadium. For me it was the first Ranger game I saw in person — a matinee against Chicago in ’65 or ’66. I’ll never forget how close the stands were to the rink, the cigarette/cigar smoke hovering in the rafters, plus the shine of the Byrlcreem in Mikita’s hair!

  61. Since 1983, two Vezina winning goalies have played for a Stanley Cup winning team. Grant Fuhr and Brodeur, who has zero Conn Smythe’s.

  62. ummmm, didn’t Henrik lead to his team to the gold medal?

    ….

    and then what happened?

    Oh shit, my bad… I thought I was on a Rangers blog… How’d I get to Team Sweden’s 2006 website?

    Hank slumped BAD after the olympics, you monkey. NO ONE ON THIS BOARD BESIDES YOU WILL DENY THAT!

    Are you saying it’s okay to slump, because he lead his country to a gold medal? Is that your point? Do you think anyone on this board honestly gives a warm creamy diaper load about that gold medal? We -could- *WOULD* have won the division title if Henrik didn’t slump so damn bad after his olympic hangover.

    GET A CLUE, CHILD.

  63. JJP

    I agree, there was nothing wrong with what he did, i love how the team defended Hank, and one of the Rangers smacked his stick on the ice right when he passed by, but the puck never touched Hank, or the net, but if it went in it wouldn’t have counted, i don’t think you can take the puck all the way into the corner and shoot it. Hank was smart, staying down, cause he knew it was gonna come.

    Im just glad they won, but they have to continue it. The Nucks will be tough, but c’mon, if the Isles can beat theam, cant we ???

    Should be good, hopefully they step it up early in the game, as well as later.

  64. I hope that lowlife piece of shit Ruutu gets steamrolled by someone next game…whata schmuck! His entire game is dirty with the intent to injure…just like Simon and other dirt bags.

  65. Salt – sorry, its real hard to pick up sarcasm over writing…

    as far as our PP…
    NASLUND – good shot, but he’s on the tail end of his career.
    DRURY – more of a set-up guy, and he’s upsed more in the slot where he gets POUNDED.
    GOMEZ – more of a set-up guy again.
    ZHERDEV – a rare finisher, he Could rack up PP goals for us.
    DUBINSKY – a stud-to-be, just needs the time & exp.
    REDDEN – high expectations, I only hope he can actually meet them.
    ROZSIVAL – um really? you know he’s been having a hard time right?
    STAAL – he WOULD be great on the PP, but he’s gotta get ice time there 1st.

  66. SALTY

    It was a minor slump. He admitted he was playing hurt, then he eventually injured his hip i think it was, and missed a few games, and had a hard time playing after he came back, cause it was his first career injury, i think he said.

    He did slump last year, and he had a good excuse to slump, but in 06, it was mostly injury related. Cant do anything aboot it.

  67. Last night’s power play was atrocious, it really shows how much this team misses Gomez’s ability to carry the puck into the zone deep. The other thing I noticed was Rozsival playing too close to the boards. By the time the puck got to him, he stopped it and then wound up for the shot – there was no shooting lane and the penalty killers + goalie had already adjusted. He needed to be closer to center ice or at least inside of the right dot and just rip a one timer.

    Not to pick on Rozsival because all of the units sucked, its just that with all the criticism in the papers he’s the guy I keyed in on.

  68. Cake and Gresch-I’m too young for the old Garden, but I do have memories of walking through the corridor and seeing a huge billow of smoke in the air during games in the 70’s. And, the best part, beer sold in the seats! Although my dad took advantage of it since I was a kid.

  69. Hey, Salty was right.

    Henrik really let us down that year, we should never ever let him forget all he did to us after the Olympics.

    damn bastard

  70. I noticed that too, no shutouts for Henrik yet… Even Valley’s got him beat in that regard. WTH?

    1 thing I noticed… We never REALLY one-time the puck. When somebody shoots off a pass, they always take a second or 2 to settle the puck/slide it into the right position. Maybe if we actually 1-timed the puck more, it would catch D out of position and catch the goalie moving.

  71. “Luongo has 5 shutouts already. Just sayin”

    Henrik had the most shutouts last year, didn’t give him the Vezina though.

  72. Not to defend Salty, but he does slump it up big time. Its not like he hits a slight rough patch, but rather for half a season he just isn’t the same goaltender. It just shows you how amazing hes been when hes good that hes been nominated for the Vezina the last 3 years, but he would’ve won had he not been pretty bad for half of a year.

    last season he was great in the 1st two months, terrible in December and January and even early February, then turned it on down the stretch. (3.11 and 2.55 GAA in those 2 months with .875 and 891 save %)

    two years ago he was just awful in the 1st half of the season and absolutely amazing in the 2nd half. (2.83 GAA pre-ASG with 3.57 in October alone).

    his rookie year he started great with limited action due to splitting with Weekes and then played well until he got tired out and slightly injured after the Olympics.

    He hasn’t yet shown a solid performance over the course of a full season. I expect every goalie to slump and I’m not saying he needs to be lights out every night, but his slumps are more than just a couple of starts and usually end up sticking around for more than a month at a time.

  73. Staal

    Do you think its funny how this years dirtiest two players are Hollweg and Ruutu…two players that Chris Simon hacked and stopmed on and drew suspensions…..

    Just sayin

  74. ORR… I’m not faulting Henrik as much as I’m pointing out the clueless rat tail child’s misinformation. Henrik

    2005-06: It was the olympics “wore him out” for the remainder of the season. Lest we forget, we needed *one single point* in out last 8 or 9 games to clinch the Atlantic Division, and we couldn’t even force an OT against the likes of the islanders, philly, pittsburgh, boston… then swept out of playoffs.

    2006-07: Was this the migraines/teeth grinding? I don’t recall what the excuse was in 06, but Mid-season Lundqvist was pretty awful and disappeared for a while… a lot of us really grew concerned… another Jim Carey?

    2007-08: His father was ill and it affected his play mid season. He did turn it around…but for the third season in a row, he did indeed go through an AWFUL slump…

    I’m sorry… you just can NOT say Lundqvist has never slumped in his career. That’s all. The fact is he has never been SOLID for more than 2/3 of a season. He’s either breathtaking…or shit. *It’s documented.*

    But, I will take a goalie who has the ability to get extremely hot for stretches at a time (see: playoffs), than a goalie who is constantly “decent”…

  75. And for the record, we ALL want Henke to keep this up over a full season. But history shows that the chances of it happening aren’t in our favor. We’ll see though and lets hope he proves us wrong because if the team keeps playing like it has for the last couple of weeks, the only way we will win some games is if he stands on his head.

  76. Nah, I think Salty can’t wait for Henrik’s next “slump” to start.

    Just so he can come on here and boast that he was right.

    Because that’s all he cares about!

  77. i like tom renney and what he has done for this team over the past years, but i believe he is contradicting himself. How can u bench zherdev for coasting when the whole team was coasting, and then not bench rosival for coasting multiple games and being responsible for several givaways that led to goals.

  78. Besides arguably Colton Orr…The Rangers have exactly 1 player who is among the 5 best at his position…and that’s Lundquist- who by the way has given up more than 3 goals once in his last 50 starts!!

  79. Just so he can come on here and boast that he was right.

    Because that’s all he cares about!

    …..

    Please. I’m a Ranger fan beyond any players and very happy when I’m wrong about knocking players and they turn it on. (Drury)

    That said, you stupid mouse shit, I’m not knocking Henrik, but rather pointing out where *you* don’t know what you’re talking about. I’m hoping we’ve seen the last of Henrik’s big slumps because HE IS CARRYING US and we should not be so dependent on him, we should be doing more for him.

    Dumb bastard fanboy.

  80. i like tom renney and what he has done for this team over the past years, but i believe he is contradicting himself. How can u bench zherdev for coasting when the whole team was coasting, and then not bench rosival for coasting multiple games and being responsible for several givaways that led to goals.

    …..

    exactly… whether or not its the right thing to do/way to manage certain players…it’s raising an eyebrow…. if we were KILLING teams… no one would mention it… but we are squeaking by… so it raises concern.

  81. RENNEY: Defends Rozsival’s play – benches Zherdev. Now we know, Zherdev is not a “good human being” and Renney is an imbecilic coach.

  82. Jeever

    Not only a suspension but a LIFETIME BAN would be no problem to punch that crazy Ruutu back to Helsinki

  83. Salty,

    you point out Henrik’s rough stretches with a little too much enthusiasm, a little too much zeal.

    Tell me Salty, if Henrik has a couple of games where we lose and he gives up 4 one game and 3 the next that you aren’t going to get all excited and say

    SEE!!! SEE!!! I told you so!!! I told you so!!!

  84. Don’t disagree with you often Sam, but the shoot-out brings a degree of excitement that only a penalty shot would bring. Granted it somewhat compromises pure hockey, but adds a different dimension that attracts both old and new viewers.

  85. Maybe Renney doesn’t bench Rozsival because he already is getting booed at home. And once some of you “fans” get your way and have him on the bench, you will never let him forget it.

  86. Cakewalk:

    “RENNEY: Defends Rozsival’s play – benches Zherdev. Now we know, Zherdev is not a “good human being” and Renney is an imbecilic coach”

    Did Renney send Zherdev out there first for the shootout or was I seeing things?

  87. you point out Henrik’s rough stretches with a little too much enthusiasm, a little too much zeal.

    ….

    WELCOME TO THE BLOG KID, THATS ME

    There’s a special something about posters like you that get my fingers typing, I tend to get sick satisfaction out of absolutely burying fools like you when you say something SO stupid with SUCH authority.

    And the fact remains: you’ve been served and are still in shock over it… sound like you are in actuality the one grasping at straws here trying to come up with pointless jabs at me ya little rat…typing to spin me against Henke. Go back to the ORIGIN of the conversation you twit… *THE WHOLE POINT WAS THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE RELYING SO HEAVILY ON HANK and if he does start to hit a rough patch it’s going to be painfully obvious that he’s the only one keeping us at the top of the division. Rat bastard.

  88. Personally I can see benefits from booing, or not booing a player, but I generally choose the later.

  89. Did Renney send Zherdev out there first for the shootout or was I seeing things?

    …….

    You must be about 16-17 years old. Get a hint.

  90. Salty,

    you secretly are praying for Henrik to get hurt aren’t you? So he can come up with an other “excuse”?

    You are thinking to yourself “maybe tomorrow night it happens”

    Maybe, and then oh by God, you’d be able to come on here Thursday morning and tell all these people how right you were!!

    you are dying for that aren’t you

  91. uh salt, not to take a shot… you make some valid points, (which I can say even though I disagree), but when you reply with just a personal insult, it makes you look like that’s all you can come up with.

    either you’re in a REALLY bad mood today, or you’re letting your feelings make you sound like you don’t have a clue (but you really DO have some insightful thoughts).

  92. Lets see, so far, Salty has called me the following:

    a dumb stupid fanboy

    a rat bastard

    16-17 years old

    and a a bandwagoner who sees through rose colored glasses and would likely swaller a healthy tablespoon of throatgack from their beloved swedish prince, given the opportunity

    Is this guy really that easy to rile up? I’ve eaten up guys like you on these blogs for breakfast waaaaaaaaaay to long my friend!!

  93. sam,

    i’m really glad you brought this up. i tried touching on this in my previous post.

    if i were a coach with a solid goalie, a la henrik, my strategy would be to let the game play out to overtime, for the guarantee 1 point and leave the extra point in the hands of my best shooters and goalie.

    my guess is that it would be a lot easier playing a game “not to lose” than to play a game to win.

    the last two games have only proved the rangers being the better at skills competitions and not hockey.

    there’s a flaw in the game and i’m not sure what the solution is. perhaps 3 points for a regulation or OT win?

  94. so keep going, what more Ranger wisdom can you share with us all? Or was that the admission you don’t really believe the things you say and you’re just a troll…

    either way, carry on

  95. ” I’ve eaten up guys like you on these blogs for breakfast waaaaaaaaaay to long my friend”

    Try getting some fiber

  96. For the time being, let’s get back to Ruutu while dude94 thinks up his next gem…

    It seemed like Dubinsky wanted to go at it all game with Ruutu, but do you think Colton (or another) steps in instead just to “make sure” things are taken care of? I expect some juicy fireworks none the less…

  97. yeah, ok, LOL

    You are the one who resorts to personal attacks when you have nothing left to say, but I am the troll.

    That’s friggin classic my brutha!

  98. ogerp – good post especially the last idea. 3 pts for reg win vs 2 for ot or shootout wins would have teams go for it more in regulation. and make each game worth 3 pts

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