Drawing the line on lines (Updated)

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The Rangers practiced today without Scott Gomez, Wade Redden, and Colton Orr — all of whom were being treated for assorted undisclosed ailments — so it was difficult for the team to practice in any real lines.

But chances are if everyone was healthy, the lines still would have looked different than they did last night, just as the lines from last night looked different from the game before.

Does it matter that Tom Renney keeps switching up his combinations? The players I asked today mostly said no, that none of the combinations have been effective enough to merit having to stay together. But the other part to consider is that those lines aren’t given a chance to be effective when they keep getting jumbled.

Call it a chicken-or-the-egg argument. Even Renney said last night that the fact that the lines keep getting switched prevents the team having things like line meetings, or even just developing some intrinsic chemistry.

On whole, lines in hockey are overrated. I love writing about them in my blog because they’re interesting and shed at least some light on team’s strategy. But it is the rare team that doesn’t mix up its lines on a fairly consistent basis.

Still, this season has been an extreme, which is probably a byproduct of the team’s personnel overhaul over the summer. Whereas last year the team had truly unique players in Jaromir Jagr and even Brendan Shanahan who couldn’t play with everyone, this year’s Rangers are more interchangeable, which allows Renney the flexibility to move players around like chess pieces. But at some point, a team can benefit from consistency, which Chris Drury acknowledged.

“I think the goal of every player is to get on a line and stick there and have all four lines rolling and never have any changes,” Drury said. “But the reality is they do change. You just have to be able to roll with it. Instead of coming to the rink and saying, ‘I’m a center or a right wing or a left wing. You just come to the rink and say, ‘I’m a hockey player.’ And where they put you, they put you. You just have to play.”

Some notes:

<li>Scott Gomez said he’s healthy enough to play, although he did acknowledge he’s nicked up.

The conversation today elicited memories of his classic line from last spring, “If you’re completely healthy at this time of year, there’s something wrong with you,” he said then. “That was one of my Gomerisms,” he said today.

Either way, none of the players out today are expected to miss any time.

<li>And speaking of missing time, the Rangers will be facing the Devils without Martin Brodeur for the first since Nov. 5, 2005, a streak that goes back 30 games. Prior to that, the last time Brodeur missed a game against the Rangers was Dec. 5, 1993. I believe Brandon Dubinsky was still in diapers.

But now Brodeur’s loss is Kevin Weekes’ gain.

“He’s a good goalie,” Renney said. “He’s worthy of a starting job in this league. He did a good job for us under some tough circumstances.”

<li>Regarding players reportedly bailing out of the locker room after the game last night, it’s true many this season have often been in a rush to retire to the players-only areas after games. But that’s been the case  after wins, and it’s true of young players as well as veterans.

The problem isn’t necessarily players looking to dodge the media since every request I’ve had to speak to a player has been met. The problem may just be a lack of the same type of commanding personalities, most notably Jagr and Shanahan, that dominated this team in the past. Drury always talks because that’s his job as captain, and others such as Markus Naslund, Henrik Lundqvist, and Brandon Dubinsky have been accessible as well.

But there are others, including Gomez and Wade Redden, who have been more elusive. A lot of that has to do with the fact that, like I mentioned, both are nicked up and are often receiving treatment after games. But on whole, there seems to be a desire by some players to try to fly under the radar.

Again, if you ask for a player, you’re going to be able to talk to him. The Rangers have always been good about that (the reclusive general manager is a different story). But it’s not like they’re going out of their way to court the media, either.

More later…

Updated, 3:36 p.m.: From Chuck Gormley in South Jersey, it sounds like “Brendan Shanahan is close to signing”:http://www.courierpostonline.com/article/20081111/SPORTS04/811110341/1002/SPORTS, and the Flyers remain a front-runner.

“Is Philadelphia a serious contender?” Rick Curran said Monday from his home in Devon, Pa. “Absolutely. There are people Brendan needs to talk to before he has all the information to make a decision.”

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  1. Re Post of my line if Mats signed…

    Naslund-Sundin-Zherdev
    Drury/Callahan-Gomez-Dubinsky ??
    Voros-Callahan/Drury-Dawes
    Sjostrom-Betts-Orr

    Gomer better be seriously fugged up, cause like i said the other day, that would explain a lot. He’s no good if he isn’t 100%, cause he plays like a retard on skates.

  2. Repost-

    MAsTercard gold iS So UNbelievable at paying for DINner, Im So COMpletely serIous about It Guys!

  3. For the players trying to fly under the radar, maybe they should go play for Atlanta or a team no one cares about.

    This is New York. I love it when players try to hide themselves from the media.

  4. Damn, I meant:

    MAsTercard gold iS So UNbelievable at paying for DINner, Im So COMpletely serIous iN talkinG about It.

  5. nasty – that’s f’n awesome.

    faithful – I thought it was just frustration. apologies my fellow ‘faithful’. I actually missed it the 1st time I read it, then re-read it and was like ‘naaaahhhhh’. haha

    Also wanted to comment on Colton Orr’s level of “fighting decency” by not unloading a hail of fists into the back of Stortini’s noggin.

  6. Damn, it must be the bad swiss.

    MAsTercard gold iS So UNbelievable at paying for DINner, Im So COMpletely serIous iN talkinG about it.

  7. Sam is right on that one for sure. There aren’t very many teams out there that DON’T juggle their lines game after game. We don’t notice it cause there’s no way to pay that close attention to every team in the NHL. Just plain ignorance by many Ranger fans to be honest.

    You also have to consider the fact that if you want to trade players, you have to play players. And if said players were performing well, you wouldn’t have to move them in and out of the lineup.

    It’s NO surprise that there are 3/4 players being shopped. As there should be. But you can’t just bench them repeatedly and expect to get anything back other than a courtesy phonecall to say “no thanks”. The result of that is juggling lines.

    Trust me…once you see a trade or two made, the lines will start to solidify.

  8. “He’s a good goalie,” Renney said. “He’s worthy of a starting job in this league. He did a good job for us under some tough circumstances.”
    ………..

    Sam – Was that followed by a : “No, seriously!”

  9. Richard – If you’re around…I’m headed to Atlanta tomorrow and I think it was you that recommended (through a friend) Dantanna’s (sports bar). I think we’ll be checking it out. But I highly doubt I’ll be able to catch the game down there.

  10. I can’t wait until tomorrow night when the Rangers make Kevin weekes look like Martin Brodeur.
    The Rangers are masters at making an ok goalie look like a Vezina trophy winner.

  11. Nasty!

    I got Fed up paying bIlls so my masteRcard doEs not woRk unlEss I kNock-kNock on the Ex-wife’s door. go Yanks !

  12. Scotty 2 Hotty on

    ORR

    Here are some UFA/RFA d-men next summer that are a physical presence (? means i’m not sure if their a hitter)

    Komisarek, Mike
    Bouillon, Francis?
    Sekera, Andrej
    Malik, Marek (had to)
    Scuderi, Rob
    Gill, Hal
    Kukkonen, Lasse?
    Foster, Kurtis?

    not such a strong list though

  13. Ah, reminds me of the old comedy adage – if you flub your joke, just repeat it and correct yourself three times. :-)

  14. i got Fed up paying bIlls so my masteRcard doEs not woRk unlEss i kNock-kNock on the Ex-wife’s door. go Yanks !

    There
    Thats better

  15. The NHL postlockout made a stated commitment to have greater access to the media to reconnect with the fans they didn’t want to lose, did they forget this already?…I think one of the challenges the NHL faces is the lack of the big personalities which draws the interest of the casual fan or even non-fan…you root for and root harder for the players you feel you know well. What fan doesn’t feel like part of the team? If we had it our way we’d want access to inside the dressing room, but understand that’s players only,etc and that’s fine but you need guys who can come the camera and know the fans. As far as Glen Slather, he’s been weird ever since the purge of 2004. I’ve always wanted to know what the reporters thought of him. Sam, do you ask for the GM and don’t get access? What’s the deal all about.

  16. ” can’t wait until tomorrow night when the Rangers make Kevin weekes look like Martin Brodeur.
    The Rangers are masters at making an ok goalie look like a Vezina trophy winner.”

    Rob, the only goalie they dont make look like Brodeaur is…..Brodeaur

  17. the capital “I” was accidental…

    did anybody else notice the other game last night? Lightning/Capitals? Or as I like to call it, Poti vs. Malik?

  18. Nasty

    I shouldn’t have tried to copy your game……its supposed to be FIRE RENNEY

    I was going to try HIRE TORTAREL…HIRE TORTERELL….HIRE TORTA…but would have had more trouble with that!

  19. Not a big shocker that Redden hides from the media after the game he was known as a guy who wasn’t accesable to the media his last few years in Ottawa.

  20. Ha, it is ok Kaspar, as you can see I screwed mine up like 4 times before I finally got it right.

  21. Komisarek on this team would be fuggin sweet !!!!

    Well the Habs have been losing D-men season after season. Souray, Streit, maybe he’s next ??? And we can overpay for him , yaaay.

    He’s from NY, so who knows. But then again he’s good buddies with DiPietro, so ugh.

  22. Beer Me!

    “He’s a good goalie,” Renney said. “He’s worthy of a starting job in this league. He did a good job for us under some tough circumstances.”
    ………..

    Sam – Was that followed by a : “No, seriously!”

    Typical Renney feel good rhetoric. He should be a politician.

  23. Beer…you and I agree on most things on this blog mostly. But I have to disagree with you (and Sam) on this last one.

    Sam said, “On whole, lines in hockey are overrated.” You agreed with him. I disagree with both of you.

    Why did they used to call Hadfield, Ratelle, and Gilbert the GAG line? Because they played only every few nights together and got goals in those games? NO! GOAL-A-GAME meant that every game they were good for a goal. Remember Straka-Nylander-Jagr of 2006? They didn’t even have to see each other to know where the other two were. I mean don’t make me go into a long laundry list (wikipedia/google aided) of the famous lines of Rangers and others in history. The reason people have linemates is to establish chemistry, know what the other guy is thinking, and where they might be going.

    I mean by your guys’ logic, why doesn’t the coach just throw all the forwards’ sticks in the middle of the room and split them into 3s before each game?

  24. Great link Rob! and yes, great to see someone is doing something…

    Checketts and JD are doin a good job down there…Shanny on the way

  25. I dont think lines are underarted at all…while I realize the importance in being able to mix and match ( injuries, penalties,match-ups etc) i think its important to develop the chemistry of 3 guys, while mixing it up often enough to keep them aceptive to change….

    My problem with Renney is he seems to get three guys working then he breaks them up!!

  26. Ohhhh….I don’t think they’re “overrated”. But I DO think that too much is made of it in NY. 29 other nhl teams do the same thing. Perhaps not to the extent as we do. But 29 other nhl teams don’t change their roster the same way as we do. 29 other nhl teams also don’t have 9 3rd/4th liners on their teams either.

  27. kaspar – what’s the point of having 3 guys on the same page, when there’s 9 others that aren’t.

    12 fwds on a team. not 3.

    you’re excused though…you WERE JUST a dman!

  28. OK, my work day is over. Catch up with all of you later.

    P.S.
    Sundin is coming!!

    Peace and Ass Crease,
    Rev Run

  29. “kaspar – what’s the point of having 3 guys on the same page, when there’s 9 others that aren’t.

    You mean like Spezza-Heatley-Alfie???

  30. There are resources out there to follow line combos in the nhl. I know it seems like more often than not, I DO have the time to keep track. But unless I’m being paid a salary to do just that…I’m not that interested to prove the point.

    TSN.CA’s “Ice Chips”
    Yahoo.com’s nhl ‘team reports’ will show them also. Updated a few times a week.

  31. Watching the Flyers-Isles abortion of a Hockey game both teams suck and blow. Flyers have taken like 8 or 9 penalties and were down 5 on 3 twice and the Isles can’t score pretty funny.

  32. Nasty 1
    November 11th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
    OK, my work day is over. Catch up with all of you later.

    P.S.
    Sundin is coming!!

    Peace and Ass Crease,
    Rev Run

    Ronnie Sundin is coming back to the Rangers?! Wow I am so excited and I can not hide it.

  33. Valiquette is coming to Manhattanville College this Thursday at 8pm, in the Castle!!! Hell yeah. <3

  34. The Rangers have to re-sign Dubi and Zherdev this offseason so it leaves the Rangers little money under a cap that will drop next year. It leaves them little money to make any free agent signings this coming summer.

  35. graves – I read an article yesterday regarding the cap ‘dropping’. And its highly unlikely that it will.

    The players escrow fund is in place for such an instance. The players pay *10%* of their salaries into this every year. Whether they’re Nigel Dawes or Crysob.

    It would take a HUGE loss of revenue to deplete the escrow and on top of it, need to reduce the cap to keep revenues and salaries at the agreed values.

    If there’s one thing that went right with the CBA negotiations, it was to protect the owners/gm’s/players from a cap ‘drop’.

    So, surely the contracts are a concern. But I’d bet on it staying the same.

    It won’t take long for the NHL to be able to say that next years cap will be the same if not higher than this year. It’ll most likely coincide with beginning of the signing period for rfa’s in january.

  36. At the end of the day, it’s all about the revenue’s vs what % of player salaries draw from it.

    Season ticket renewals increased from last year, eventhough gate receipts don’t look to be as high as they were. The Winter Classic is also a huge money-maker for the league. What tix will be available to those season ticket holders haven’t gone on sale yet either.

    For us, it’ll actually go “up”. Since we’re paying bonus this year, for players no longer on the roster. Some $700k or so I think.

  37. BEER ME!!, I live in NYC and will not be in Atlanta. Thanks anyway for the invite. I a sure you can get the game it is a matter of having time in your schedule to watch, no?

  38. “The NHL is more popular than ever… except in Atlanta. tee hee’

    I tell this story before but what the heck…

    Attendence going up is relative; this girl I work with went to a Leaf game…paid $175 for one ticket

    later in year took her family of 4 to Miami…for $30 she got 4 tickets with coupons for 4 free sodas and 4 free hotdogs ( it was a Tampa vs Fla game “battle of Fla game”)

    ….even with those kind of prices the game did not sell out

  39. Kaspar, you nailed the problem with your Miami story.

    The NHL has too many teams!

    10 of them need to go.

  40. Aside from chemistry, I think lines are important just because it’s a good way to match up the strengths & weaknesses of your team.

    If your center is a real speedster, it won’t be good to put him with a slow wing who can’t keep up. Having 3 passers together is no good, and neither is having 3 snipers. If you have a small guy, put him on a line with a bigger guy so your team isn’t getting slammed all over the ice, etc.

    You have to mix & match to emphasize each player’s strengths, and cover for their weaknesses.

  41. haha, my friend and I rode the train to NYC once, and figured out a way to eliminate 6 teams, re-align the conferences, and even it out… We tried going to the NHL Offices, but Bettman wouldn’t speak with us. What a hoser.

  42. Renney’s decisions on lines and playing time perplex me. Voros is leading the team in goals, but last night he plays 10:34 and averages 12:11. He should be out there. For comparison sake, Holmstrom in Detroit averages over 15 minutes on a team with more scoring flash. We make it too easy for goalies, there’s no screen or disturbance. They see the point shot the whole way through.

    Zherdev and Dubi only average right around 15 min per game, and considering the PS3 line has been the hot hand, maybe we should consider riding that horse a little more. Korpedo got 7:40 of ice time…that’s not even a fair shot

  43. Very sick how the Rangers gave 2pts to Edmonton. It was clear that the Rangers made the Oilers look like a minor league team . We just could not score ! My brothers a big Oiler fan and Bla bla bla the oilers goalie is better than hendrick he said…makes me mad!! We lost to those chumps but I do like what I saw in team dominance against the Oilers. We got 1 pt and never serendered the 2 to our conference. We need to sink those shots. period.

  44. Dubi or not Dubi on

    So I’ve figured out what is missing from this team, it’s not Shanahan, it’s not a big hitting defenseman, it’s PERSONALITY.

    They are simply a BORING group of players, headed up by Drury, the king of the PC postgame interview and Gomez who hides from the media, etc. I could deal with that if they did some exciting things on the ice, that’s why we love Callahan, Zherdev, Hank, and when he’s not on the coaches bad side, Dubi. Who, other than those guys is really fun to watch? Orr might be the only guy I missed, but who else?

    Teams need to score on the rush in the new defensive NHL, even when the Rangers carry the puck in, they almost always just carry it behind the net and wait for everyone to get in the zone. BORING! In the third period when they are winning by a goal or two, they trap and sometimes give up 5 goals in 7 minutes. BOR… well, not boring, but something else.

    THAT is why this team misses Jagr, Avery, and Shanahan, because they all had such dynamic personalities on and off the ice.

  45. Mike are you related to bob? Btw even if the cap stays the same it will be hard (read:impossible) to re-Sign Dubi and Zherdev and get a dman as well.

  46. Pavel
    November 11th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
    The cap will always go up. The NHL is more popular than ever… except in Atlanta. tee hee

    I wish it was true. The whole attendance reports that Buttman and Daly truimpants are bullcrap. Alot of times the attendance will say there’s 12,000 at a Panthers game when in reality there’s maybe 1200 fans at the game(if that)

  47. Breaking News: Free agent forward Brendan Shanahan moves, (sort of). The sniper of the New York Rangers for the past two seasons agrees in principle with the New Jersey Devils. Details to follow.

  48. Ha, no. But it sounded real right? I’m bored. My buddy, a Devs fan, called me earlier and said he heard Shanny was signing in Jersey tomorrow. That would suck.

  49. Who cares if Shanny signs there? The Devils won’t be a threat when Martha is out for 3-4 months!

  50. Once Rolston, Holik, and some others are back It wouldn’t shock me if they trade Gionta for goal tending help.

  51. Dubi or no dubi,
    I totally agree. That’s why the only line that I like is the ps3 line. Everytime they score they dive on the ice in celebration and go nuts. That is motivation. If we lose any one of those three players I will be devestated. And I know that dru has been amazing recently and rediscovered his scoring ability, but I still don’t like him as captain. Of course I don’t know what he says behind closed doors, but when he is on the ice it’s apparent he doesn’t talk much. Plus he is very streaky. A captain should be consistent. I like dubi for captain in the near future. Oh yeah and mara is amazing.

  52. graves,
    Do you think there’s any possibility of him uniting with his buddy gomer for a bunch of crap on our team, a reduced salary, and a pack of press

  53. All Hail King Henrik on

    UGH! Pissburgh just came back from down 5-2 to the wings to tie it at 6-6 with ~ 20 seconds left. Staal has a hat trick. F–king Pens…Detroit better win this in OT. And the best part is Pissburgh has a 1:57 PP to start the OT.

  54. graves,
    Also, I agree with your attendence statement. I go Florida games all the time and there is very little people there. And when you are there they do everything possible to try to get you back. They basically give out free tickets these days to try to get people to go. When the rangers play Florida you will see there is about 1/4 rangers fans. It is obsurd. NHL will never have any significance in this country.

  55. All Hail King Henrik on

    As for tomorrow’s game. Despite what Sutter (and Renney) will tell you, Weekes is TERRIBLE. In 05-06 and 06-07 (when I wasn’t into the blogs) whenever I’d turn on the Rangers game and see that Weekes was the starting goalie, I would automatically concede the win. I just knew we were going to lose. And if we were to win, it was going to have to be 4-3, 5-4. It seemed like Weekes gave up 3+ goals in every game he ever played for the Rangers.

    If we don’t score at least 3 goals on Weekes tomorrow, I’m going to go balistic.

    For TWO YEARS I watched him LOSE games for the Rangers…now the shoe is on the other foot. Nevermind making him look like Patrick Roy, we had better make him look like Dan Cloutier.

    I wish Kevin all the best in NJ, but NOT TOMORROW NIGHT. LIGHT HIM UP NYR!

  56. All Hail King Henrik on

    Disgusting. Pittsburgh beats Detroit 7-6 in OT. Detroit was up 5-2 to start the third period.

  57. Patrick Hoffman on

    Sam,

    Scott Clemensson started a game against the Rangers in November of 2005. The Rangers won in a shootout thanks to a goal by Petr Prucha (remember him) and some timely saves by Kevin Weekes.

  58. All Hail King Henrik on

    Scratch that, they were up 4-2 to start the third, Zetterberg scored early to make it 5-2.

  59. Who Needs Lohan on

    A few points….

    1st, a comment one what Nasty1 said earlier today

    Nasty 1
    November 11th, 2008 at 11:00 am
    “This team is so scared to take chances to start games. If they played like they did in the second and third period, they would be on the winning side of most games. It is like they are scared to make a mistake so they are cemented to the ice and not moving around or making plays. We have a more than capable goalie and they should have all the confidence in the world in him. We need to start taking chances and playing desperate right from the drop of the puck. It is so damn annoying.”

    There is a great explanation for this, its cause Renney is a reactionary coach. He lets the other team dictate how the game is going to be played and then adjusts. All you Renney lovers will disagree but it seems pretty evident to me.

    2nd, on the NYRs problems. We can blame Perry Pearn’s PP, or the size of the D-Men, but its pretty simple….we lack a 40 Goal Scorer and could use a 30 Goal scorer while we are at it. Think about how much we have been all over Drury for not scoring all season. Well guess what, he now is tied for the team lead with 6 goals, if that aint scary i dunno what is.

    3rd, I’m starting to see the big negative with Zherdev, and it became quite clear last night. He has a bad attitude and my guess is he will butt heads with his teammates if he hasnt already. Twice last night he showed up (T-O style) Dubinsky. While the announcers tried to say he was frustrated with himself for not scoring, he was clearly upset that first Dubi didnt expect the hard cross ice pass, and then later he was visibly upset with Dubi for trying a wrap around when he was open for a moment in front. Did anyone else notice this? He seems a bit frustrated with the lack of talent around him. Sundin could fit nice with him on the wing. Anyone else like Callahan-Sundin-Zherdev? I do!!!!

  60. what the HECK
    November 11th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
    graves,
    Also, I agree with your attendence statement. I go Florida games all the time and there is very little people there. And when you are there they do everything possible to try to get you back. They basically give out free tickets these days to try to get people to go. When the rangers play Florida you will see there is about 1/4 rangers fans. It is obsurd. NHL will never have any significance in this country.

    Well the Nhl was the hottest sport around after the Rangers won the cup in ’94. They signed a huge contract with Fox to broadcast the game as well as renewing with Espn. So what does Buttman do? He gets the owners to lockout the players which killed the sports momentum. If that wasn’t enough he overexpanded the game to the south. He for years promised to put in rules to get away from the trap(in reality he did nothing) don’t get me started on the lockout in ’05. He just wanted to get rid of Goodenow and break the union. Now the games is stuck on the freaking hunting a fishing network and the sports continues to market itself woefully.

  61. what the HECK
    November 11th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
    graves,
    Do you think there’s any possibility of him uniting with his buddy gomer for a bunch of crap on our team, a reduced salary, and a pack of press

    Nah the Devils aren’t trading him to their biggest rival(espicially considering he’ll wake up from his slumber if he’s reunited with Gomez) Next year however who knows.

  62. What a pathetic game by the Wings. How can THEY blow a 3 goal lead in the 3rd, that hurts.

    Staal has massive potential, im still surprised he had such a bad sophomore season. Ugh, he ruined my night.

    As for Shanny, if he signs, he better sign after the game. I don’t wanna see him tomorrow.

  63. Zherdev had obvious chemistry with Naslund, but apparently Renney missed it. Or was still afflicted from the blow to the head.

  64. Detroit losing tonight was ugly. As ugly as us in Montreal last year and as ugly as in Toronto this year. See folks, it happens to GREAT teams too. And make no mistake, Detroit is a GREAT team. I’m not making excuses for us, but on any given night during the course of the regular season, those kind of games can happen. It will be interesting to see if Detroit comes back strong after this or if it sends them on something like what we are going through right now.

    Sundin is coming!!

  65. Weekes was pretty decent. Remember true believers, it was him who officially ended the non-playoff drought with that HUGE shoot out win against Philly in 06. That glove save he made was unreal. Also, I’ll never forget what he did in 02 along with Ron Francis and Bates Battaglia to Fatso and the Devils in the playoffs as Carolina got to be THAT low seed team that had a crazy run that year (see Rangers 79, Rangers 86, Oilers 06, etc.)

    Plus the dude got his hubcaps ripped off in effin Tarrytown thr season after the lockout, so cut the dude some slack.

  66. Weekes was pretty terrible here. He had his moments here and there but at best he was no better than medicore. It was rather obvious about a week into the 05-06 that Hank was the far superior goalie. Renney drove me a little crazy shoehorning Weekes into some pretty big games early on to try to get him going. I recall the Flyers and Sens lighting him up that year(which lead to Renney finally turning over the full reigns to Hank.)

  67. what the heck re your post at 9:33

    dubi is nowhere near ready to be captain. i went to the fans thing tonight as guest of a season tix holder.

    Gomez was amazing especially when he stood up for Orr after a question was posed to Orr about being slow. pointed out he is now used against Crosbys line and has a lot more speed. Dubi would be in way over his head as captain especially when we have Drury Gomez and Naslund. Gomez showed very strong leadership qualities throughout the q&a.

    by comparison Dubi at 22 was more the target of jokes.
    I see Dubi as an A when Naslund goes but he needs to wait quite a while to be the c here.

  68. 3rd, I’m starting to see the big negative with Zherdev, and it became quite clear last night. He has a bad attitude and my guess is he will butt heads with his teammates if he hasnt already. Twice last night he showed up (T-O style) Dubinsky. While the announcers tried to say he was frustrated with himself for not scoring, he was clearly upset that first Dubi didnt expect the hard cross ice pass, and then later he was visibly upset with Dubi for trying a wrap around when he was open for a moment in front. Did anyone else notice this? He seems a bit frustrated with the lack of talent around him.

    ……

    I didnt see this, elaborate?

    Lack of talent? I think we have enough talent… just missing the guidance to put it all together and make it work… fucking renney… I’m trying to give him some credit but its becoming pretty clear its all about Hank, again.

  69. Joe you’re talking players meeting with the fans a little too serious. He is a young player who gets his chops busted as all young players do. All the interview he does he comes off a mature player that is a future leader. He was a leader in juniors and the Ahl. He is on the verge of becoming one here.

  70. graves – not counting henrik i would put dubi 4th on leadership list. behind the guys with the letters. gomez came off as a real leader especially how he handled a touchy question posed to orr. so dubi at 4th on leadership is not bad at all at age 22. just saying he has to wait his turn when we have very good leaders here. i would def put him ahead of the high priced dmen

  71. To whomever commmented on ice time, specifically Voros. This is the same as it’s been with some players in the past. If you play certain players fewer minutes, they do more with the time they’re out there. Certain guys aren’t conditioned as well as others either.

    Richard – Sorry, but it wasn’t an invite my friend. Just looking for the person that gave me the heads up on a sports bar to say ‘thanks’.

  72. li joe,
    That is why I said in the near future. I know he’s not ready yet, but I can see his game and leadership skills have been growing tremendously.

  73. “It’s worth pointing out that Avery loves womens clothing and played with dolls as a young child” -classic

  74. what the heck

    near future implies a yr or 2. i think it’s closer to 4 or 6 yrs. i would rather have drury or gomez be captain. gomez was very impressive as a leader last night.

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