The Korpedo returns and Dawes sits (Updated)

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Tom Renney wouldn’t commit to it, but seeing how Nigel Dawes was still on the ice skating sprints while Lauri Korpikoski was already resting in the locker room, it’s safe to say The Korpedo will make his return tonight at Dawes’ expense.

The other scratch will be Petr Prucha, who will be replaced (again) by Dan Fritsche. Should all else remain the same, you could count on on a line of Korpikoski at left wing, Chris Druryat center, and Fritsche at right.

It took only four games for Korpikoski to work his way back after his demotion from Hartford. One of those games, on Saturday night, saw him scoring a hat trick; and if you combine that with the Rangers’ uneven  performance in Washington on Saturday, the time was ripe for his return.

“I think I feel more comfortable with the puck now trying to make more offensive plays and get some scoring chances,” Korpikoski said. “You can see that already today.”

Maybe, but of course it didn’t hurt that Henrik Lundqvist took today’s optional skate off and was replaced by former Manhattanville goalie Chad Killam, who has proven to be a bit of a confidence builder for Rangers shooters in the past. Hey, whatever works.

Meanwhile, I asked Korpikoski what he struggled with in his time with the Rangers. The rookie was a minus-3 with just a single shot on goal in seven games, but he was also saddled with the down-low defensive responsibilities of a center while tonight he would presumably be back at wing.

“I would say I was too careful to not mistakes,” he said. “I was concentrating maybe too much on the defensive side. Now I just have t play the game and use my strengths and be more offensive.”

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Meanwhile, the more pressing question is: what is behind Chris Drury’s new nickname, “Raymond”? I pressed Paul Mara on this since the defenseman was the one who coined it, but he said he had to check with Drury first. So then I asked Drury.

“We’ll let that one dangle for a little while,” the Rangers captain said.

I will not sleep until I have an answer (OK, that’s probably not true).

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Raise your hand if you remember the last time the Rangers played the Oilers at the Garden. You got it: Mark Messier night three seasons ago. The Rangers won in OT.

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Henrik Lundqvist is in goal for the fourth straight game.

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Somewhat related to Korpikoski’s recall, I asked Renney who he would be unwilling to play on their off wings? This could be an issue if the coach did want to use both Korpikoski and Dawes on the same line since both are lefties. The coach said the only player he wouldn’t use in such a situation is Colton Orr.

Most forwards will say that they actually prefer the off wing in the offensive zone because it’s easier to get off a one-timer. The challenge lies in the defensive zone because you’re receiving and giving passes on your backhand.

Update, 12:41 p.m.: OK, since “Gross went there”:http://njmg.typepad.com/rangersblog/2008/11/does-it-pass-the-logic-test.html, I’ll go there, too: Do you really think the Rangers would trade Brandon Dubinsky and Petr Prucha for Jay Bouwmeester? And if so, does Jay Bouwmeester now have some sort of magical powers that I didn’t know about?

Please. While I don’t doubt for a moment that the Rangers are shopping Prucha — and my guess is that their asking price could be dropping by the day — it’s fair to say Dubinsky isn’t going anywhere. In fact, other than Henrik Lundqvist and maybe Marc Staal, there’s not a player the Rangers would be willing to trade less at this point.

Update, 12:56 p.m.: And here’s the “link to the Rangers’ fashion shoot for Men’s Journal”:http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=391588 starring Drury, Scott Gomez, Wade Redden, Markus Naslund, and Henrik Lundqvist. According to Drury, the players did not get to keep the suits, proving that they all need new agents.

Update, 2:25 p.m.:  I always thought my job as a Rangers beat writer along with my experiences in the wild world of beer league hockey meant I had some decent insight to offer.

But I can’t compete with a guy who won a Stanley Cup as the Rangers GM.

Check out Neil Smith’s new web site, “NHLGM.com”:http://www.nhlgm.com, which features his various musings on hockey and other related interests. The site does seem like a marketing attempt by Smith to lock up some corporate speaking gigs, but it does have a cool video in which he talks about the 1994 team.

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  1. Well, Prucha’s had his chances. Dawes needs to sit, too. Korpi and Fritsche provide some size, and maybe Drury will click with these two.

  2. Well seeing as neither Prucha or Fritsche have amounted to much in the early part of this season, I think this subbing in one for the other kind of cancels things out and the team comes out even.

    As for Korpikoski replacing Dawes. I like Dawes, but he has really disappointed me so far. Seems like a logical choice given Korpedo’s hot streak in Harford. It sucks that I won’t be home for the game :(

  3. What is the logic in switching both? Korpikoski for Dawes is the right move for 1-2-3 games. Then you get to see if the move was successful. Add Fritch/Prucha and you can’t tell as clearly why either move may have worked (or not).

    ?????

  4. I missed Thurs. game (work) and Sat. game (wife-dinner) so I’m really looking forward to tonights game. Plus I’m going Sat. Yeah, good for me.

    I’d like to see Fritsche get a good 4-5 game look instead of this in one/sit one cycle. Can Dawes be sent down without waivers? He might need the Cally treatment.

  5. Sam,

    Maybe this is a bit of a stretch but “everybody loves… Raymond”

    I dunno. First thing that came to me.

  6. I would sit Colton Orr and play Prucha again. He is hustling and drawing penalties … Do you think the Oilers are going to ‘goon it up’? … Heck no. Sit Orr …

    The 4rth line has played well but has missed many offensive opportunities…

  7. I was at that Messier night game…Jagr in OT…great game that was…the referees made some AWFUL goal calls though…like that Peca goal.

  8. Some on this board dodn’t love him…

    Though I think everyone did when he was scoring that shorty against Tampa!!!

  9. KOFFY

    They have that one kid Stortini, but he’s not that tough, he fights goons but gets his ass kicked most of the time, and MacT told him not to fight as much. Voros is more of an even match. But they have this MacIntyre guy, but he might be injured.

    Im disappointed in Dawes as well, i think he’ll eventually get it together, but it sucks that he’s off to the start that he’s on.

    Im not to sure aboot Fritsche, id prefer to see Pruchs with Dru, and Korpedo, but eh. I wanna see what he can do after sitting a few games. Hopefully its a little more than what Dawes, and Pruchs has done.

  10. The message Renney sent to the league Saturday night:

    STEP RIGHT UP, STEP RIGHT UP! RUN OUR GOALIE & PAY NO PRICE!

    Sickening.

  11. doodie machetto on

    He looks a bit like Ray Romano. Although, he doesn’t have that Kermit the Frog voice to accompany it.

    Good to see Korpedo get another shot, and also good to see Dawes finally sit.

  12. doodie machetto on

    “he doesnt have that bad of nose. Joe Torre on the other hand has a huge one.”

    Ray Romano has a Kermit the Frog voice, Joe Torre has Gonzo’s nose.

  13. “Gotta go to the net. Yeah, Gotta go to the net and score some goals. Yeah definitely, score some goals. Yeah.”

    hahaha that’s the Raymond I thought about.

    Sam makes an interesting point about the back-up goalie helping confidence in practice, maybe they should try that more often. Does it really help to practice against the shut-out King every time. It could be argued that it should make the players better shots but man I could see how it would be frustrating.

  14. Agr – See along time ago, before Tom Cruise became an a-hole, he made this fantastic movie with Dustin Hoffman. Rainman. Raymond Babbit(Hoffman) was an autistic man…the brother of Tom Cruise. Contanstantly repeating himself was one of his ‘ticks’.

  15. “Most forwards will say that they actually prefer the off wing in the offensive zone because it’s easier to get off a one-timer. The challenge lies in the defensive zone because you’re receiving and giving passes on your backhand.”

    Yes and No. This would imply that you’re sending passes through the middle of the D-zone. As opposed up the boards (and out of the zone). Something that you shouldn’t be doing ANYWAY, regardless of which way you shoot. (Neutral zone/different story)

  16. Aww. Raymond Babbit = Rain Man “got to go to kmart. Yeah, got to go to kmart and buy my underwear. Definitely kmart, Yeah.”

  17. In Trautwig’s interview with Paul Mara last week he asked him about the “Raymond” nickname and Mara said it was name given to Chris at BU. Not sure how Mara came about calling him that though since Mara never played college hockey.

  18. Trading Brandon Dubinsky would be one of the worst moves in the history of Sather’s tenure as Rangers GM…and that’s saying a lot because there have been some absolutely terrible moves!

  19. I can see Prucha, Dawes, and Sanguinetti for JayBo. With Del Zotto coming up, and looking much better than Sanguinetti, I would have no problem with this.

  20. Off wing on offense is not an easy question. Shooting position is better, while rushing to the net and/or playing deep isn’t so. Every NHL player is proficient in backhand passing, so that should not cause any problem, while scooping the puck off the boards is definitely a disadvantage for off wing in own zone. The other complicating factor here is that forward must only play a certain side in his own zone. On offense it is not required and LW could be found on right side, centre at left, RW by the goal, etc.

  21. I live in Orlando and I’d drive through the night just to throw things at Sather if he did that.

  22. If the Rangers ever went through with that trade, and I don’t think they will, it will rank up there as one of the WORST trade decisions in the history of professional athletics — not just the NHL, but all sports.

    Dubinsky is a couple years off from being a bonafide superstar whose not only capable of putting in 40, but plays both sides of the ice with authority as well — not to mention we have him at a cheap price for the time being — in return, you get a guy who’s slightly overrated and making a big contract. Moreover, 2 out of our last 3 picks were puck moving offensive minded defenseman in Del Zotto and Bobby Sanguinetti, which would baiscally render those two players worthless to the organization b/c they’d never play.

    To even suggest that trade to be a rumor is just pure and completely assanine reporting.

    If that were to happen, I would seriously reconsider giving up my season ticket until Slats left the organization.

  23. Prucha, Dawes, Sanguinetti for J-Bo. Id definitely do that, but obviously Rozi would have to go as well.

    Then again, im really hoping Sags isn’t a bust, and its way to early to give up on him because of Del Z’s pre season. It would be nice to have some reliable D-man to replace some of these guys, like Sags, Del Z, and Potter, and who knows maybe even Sauer if he can stay healthy.

    But i think the Cats are gonna get greedy with J-Bo. They’ve been getting royally screwed through trades with some players, especially Bertuzzi, ugh, nightmare trade, and Jokinen in my opinion wasn’t that great of a trade, even though they got two good D-men. They’ll probably want a 1st rounder on top of those 3 players. Which in my opinion is to much. The guy’s good but i think Pruchs, Dawes, and Sags is more than enough.

  24. BRANDON

    Its only Hockeybuzz reporting, no need to worry aboot it. That Eklund guy needs something to talk aboot during the season, cause Hockeybuzz is quiet and boring, unless its the trade deadline, or the off season.

    Slats isn’t a moron like some think. He can do dumb things but he’s smart. Im sure he knows Dubi is the future of this team along with Staal, and he wont move them for anything. Remember in 07, Holmgren supposedly wanted to trade Forsberg for Staal. Everyone probably thought Slats would do that but he didn’t. He has some brains in that ice cream loving head.

    Don’t forget, J-Bo is a free agent after this season. Cant risk losing to much for a guy who might leave.

  25. I think he has great insight to younger players, despite some drafting blunders, but clearly he’s a bit behind on what some veterans are worth in a salary cap game.

  26. One of Renney’s weaknesses as a coach is his miss-management of on-ice personnel (think last years playoffs, Game 3 vs. Pens., rangers scored 2 quick goals to tie it up and then Renney puts the energizer-bunny-on-crack out there when the building was already flowing with energy – we all know what happened next) Prucha’s another perfect example… He’s a niche player and is most deadly as a sniper or garbage-man on the power play. If Renney has no plans for him on the PP then they need to offload his salary in a trade, because he will not produce with 10 min of full-strength ice time.

  27. Yeah I’m sure The Panthers will take forwards the Rangers don’t want and a flawed prospect like Sangunetti for their best dman. As usual Orr is lost. Never for a second would I think of trading Dubinsky. As for as Korpkoski hopefully he’ll play a more forceful game and be more willing to shot than he was the last time he was up.

  28. Brandon – you have season tickets? Where at? I do too, and usually agree with your opinions. We should have a drink at the Garden one night.

  29. ORR !! What Is It Good FOR ??
    November 10th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
    Prucha, Dawes, Sanguinetti for J-Bo. Id definitely do that, but obviously Rozi would have to go as well.

    Then again, im really hoping Sags isn’t a bust, and its way to early to give up on him because of Del Z’s pre season. It would be nice to have some reliable D-man to replace some of these guys, like Sags, Del Z, and Potter, and who knows maybe even Sauer if he can stay healthy.

    But i think the Cats are gonna get greedy with J-Bo. They’ve been getting royally screwed through trades with some players, especially Bertuzzi, ugh, nightmare trade, and Jokinen in my opinion wasn’t that great of a trade, even though they got two good D-men. They’ll probably want a 1st rounder on top of those 3 players. Which in my opinion is to much. The guy’s good but i think Pruchs, Dawes, and Sags is more than enough.

    One of the dumbest posts in this blogs history. You are one of these fans that think your favorite team can get a big time player without giving anything good up. Oh yeah please for Gods sakes learn to spell and oh yeah your grammar sucks.

  30. ORR !! What Is It Good FOR ??
    November 10th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
    BRANDON

    Its only Hockeybuzz reporting, no need to worry aboot it. That Eklund guy needs something to talk aboot during the season, cause Hockeybuzz is quiet and boring, unless its the trade deadline, or the off season.

    Slats isn’t a moron like some think. He can do dumb things but he’s smart. Im sure he knows Dubi is the future of this team along with Staal, and he wont move them for anything. Remember in 07, Holmgren supposedly wanted to trade Forsberg for Staal. Everyone probably thought Slats would do that but he didn’t. He has some brains in that ice cream loving head.

    Don’t forget, J-Bo is a free agent after this season. Cant risk losing to much for a guy who might leave.

    Uhh outside of the voices in your head Holmgren was never willing to trade Forsberg for Staal. It wasn’t even a rumor anywhere. Well maybe Eklund’s site but it’s bullshit.

  31. Brandon I’m a huge Dubi far but I think him being a future 40 goal guy might be a bit of a stretch. I think he’ll be a guy that puts up 25-30 goals along with 75-80 points a year. He might have a year where he puts up 90-95 but for the most part I think he’lll be around where I project him to be.

  32. Rumors are Steve Ott might be available. He’s a nice agitator who can score you 10-12 goal and will fight. I would check out what it’d take to get him.

  33. Hey, I wasn’t taking a real jab at the Captain, just poking fun as a guess. He just seems so even-tempered and single-minded, I can see him getting a little repetitive when the pressure’s on.

  34. How can anyone say don’t trade Dubi,lets see what we get for him or anybody for that matter,only one untradable guy on this team and thats Hank.EVERYONE else for the RIGHT deal

  35. The only person I would trade Dubi for is Bob. Because he would make the people on the other team just kill themselves. They would have to forfeit and then we would win the game.

  36. Fuggin Orr…
    How do you arrive at the point where Dawes, Prucha and Sanguinetti is more than enough for the Bow meister?
    So 2 small guys who can’t score and who don’t have enough size to throw a big hit PLUS an unproven defenseman are worth the Bow meister…I don’t think so…
    Like the “Dubi Trade” this also is a load of BullSh$t

  37. Richter, and Graves. Wow, you guys keep mentioning my name. How obessed are you with me ?? You keep using my name, i hope you’re not in love with me cause that would be pretty gross. Sick bastards.

    But to answer your post Old Man Graves, they may have to trade him for nothing, he’s gonna leave anyway. At least they have a chance at getting a 3rd liner with SOME offensive upside, and a player like Dawes who could be a potential 20 goal scorer, and a 1st round draft pick like Sanguinetti. But obviously you’re an idiot who simply can not read, so i have to keep answering your idiotic retard posts. I said they’d want a 1ST ROUND PICK AS WELL. Go to the doctor old man, your eyes are shot. That’s 5 times in the last 2 days that your pathetic old ass tried to make me look dumb, and failed miserably by jumping the gun on my post, instead of reading it through. Ugh, you and Richter should grab a beer, and visit the doctor together, might be fun. Who knows maybe you can make a homemade sequel of the Bucket List, hahaha, loser.

  38. Hey guys, and everyone getting all over Orr there. The post he made was in response to my post. I am the one who originally said that. So direct your anger and whatever else at me. I got no problem with it. In fact, I welcome it. Just the kind of mood I am in today. So honestly, bring it :)

  39. Fine Nasty 1…
    How do you arrive at the point where Dawes, Prucha and Sanguinetti is more than enough for the Bow meister?
    So 2 small guys who can’t score and who don’t have enough size to throw a big hit PLUS an unproven defenseman are worth the Bow meister…I don’t think so…
    Thats the kind of mood I’m in…LOL

  40. STAAL

    Jesus H Christ. I have nothing against you, i think you’re funny with the “fuggin” stuff, and i don’t take it as an insult, but more as a funny bash towards me, which i like, cause it is funny. But you have to read what i wrote. I said id do that trade if it were possible, but they would get greedy, and they’d want a 1st round pick in there.

  41. Well, sometimes people need a change of scenery to start producing again. I think Prucha can succeed on another team where he is getting more minutes and power play time. Dawes, I kind of feel the same way about. I think Dawes can still turn things around with us though. Sanguinetti, if I remember correctly, was wanted in any package we were offering last year in any trade attempts. So that is where I drew my conclusion from. Now, do I know if a team would take that chance now? No. But I do know that JayBo is not happy in Florida and does not want to be there. A GM and a coach does not want a player with their organization that doesn’t want to be there. So, he might take less than what one might expect to take, especially when they are getting players in return that are hungry and have proven in the past that they can perform and who are still young.

  42. ACDAVID

    I don’t know. I thought Dawes was gonna be the guy that would have the great season, and Dubi, and Staal would have decent sophomore years, even though its still early. But the was Dubi’s been playing, i just cant see them trading him. He’s slowly becoming a real leader on this team, and he’s showing some massive skill.

    Hank, Dubi, and Staal are untouchable.

    Unless of course, we’re talking Kovalchuk, then Slats would definitely consider.

  43. Rangers always seem to lack size and toughness. Yeah, a true agitator like Avery not only throws off the opponent but raises the battle level intensity of his own team who realize they have to man-up and be ready for whatever. We need that up front….Forget Boumeister, let’s target Thrasher’s former 1st rounder, 6’7″ D. Boris Valabik. OK, some skating and lateral mobility issues, but the kid is on the cusp, has a great work ethic, and is tough as nails.

  44. I’m in my late 20’s but yes I’m old as dirt. Since that’s the most (somewhat) coherent comment in your post that’s all I can respond to. As far as obession oh yeah you respond to each and every post of mine with more stupidity. I just corrected your silly post where you suggested they can get a top dman for two badly struggling undersized forwards and a Ahl dman that doesn’t have a clue in his own end. Every team can top your package of player. Plus once again the Rangers have little cap rooom.

  45. GRAVES

    I get to respond cause you keep mentioning my name, so i have to defend myself. Of course you’re the one being classless, so i have to match that.

    The sad part is, im having fun with it, you seem to be taking it personal, which is very very pathetic. You need to lighten up, who knows maybe if Nyr wins, you might be less of an idiot, and a little more mature.

    Oh yeah, that wasn’t my trade suggestion, i just said id definitely DO that trade, but i clearly said it wouldn’t be enough, and once again for the 3rd time, they would want a 1st round pick. Read !!! Reeeeeeead Mr 20’s.

  46. Richter, and Graves. Wow, you guys keep mentioning my name. How obessed are you with me ?? You keep using my name, i hope you’re not in love with me cause that would be pretty gross. Sick bastards.

    But to answer your post Old Man Graves, they may have to trade him for nothing, he’s gonna leave anyway. At least they have a chance at getting a 3rd liner with SOME offensive upside, and a player like Dawes who could be a potential 20 goal scorer, and a 1st round draft pick like Sanguinetti. But obviously you’re an idiot who simply can not read, so i have to keep answering your idiotic retard posts. I said they’d want a 1ST ROUND PICK AS WELL. Go to the doctor old man, your eyes are shot. That’s 5 times in the last 2 days that your pathetic old ass tried to make me look dumb, and failed miserably by jumping the gun on my post, instead of reading it through. Ugh, you and Richter should grab a beer, and visit the doctor together, might be fun. Who knows maybe you can make a homemade sequel of the Bucket List, hahaha, loser.
    hEY BUDDY HOOKED ON PHONICS AIN’T WORKING HUH? wHO CARES IF A FIRST RD PICK IS THROWN IN THE TRADE PACKAGE? It still sucked. Okay I’m gonna stop posting like you now. Who cares what my age is? I don’t bust on you because of your age I bust on you because you have shit for brains. Btw nice try at ”comedy” nobody laughed.

  47. Sorry Orr,
    I’m having the sh!ttiest day…bad fuggin headache, seminar this weekend so no down time and I feel burnt…I swear I read your post but I confess my brain is fuggin fried.
    Please people just skip over my fugged up musings today cause…well like I said there fugged up!

  48. Fair points Nasty 1
    BTW I think I need a story to turn this day around and give me a laugh. Fuggin ARGH!!!!

  49. bwayblueshirts on

    GRAVES

    I get to respond cause you keep mentioning my name, so i have to defend myself. Of course you’re the one being classless, so i have to match that.

    The sad part is, im having fun with it, you seem to be taking it personal, which is very very pathetic. You need to lighten up, who knows maybe if Nyr wins, you might be less of an idiot, and a little more mature.

    Oh yeah, that wasn’t my trade suggestion, i just said id definitely DO that trade, but i clearly said it wouldn’t be enough, and once again for the 3rd time, they would want a 1st round pick. Read !!! Reeeeeeead
    For someone who isn’t offended and ”having fun with it” you seem to be quite angry at Graves no? Didnt you get banned from Blueshirtsbulletin for being a general doucebag? Stop posting and get a job or go to school fool.

  50. “How can anyone say don’t trade Dubi,lets see what we get for him or anybody for that matter,only one untradable guy on this team and thats Hank.EVERYONE else for the RIGHT deal”

    acdc – I agree. You never rule it out in a league where Gretzky was traded. In fact, I think the majority of the top 5 goal scorers in history were traded. Without checking facts, it’s a guess.

    jeevs – good luck on your date. lol jk dude.

  51. I try to ignore you Orr but good lord your posts are so stupid it’s hard to. As Richter stated you can throw in a first round pick and it won’t do shit becasuse the package is a shitburger. Oh yeah learn to spellll learn to fucking spell.

  52. Hey Orr,

    Is it my understanding that you want JBo for Dawes, Prucha and/or Sanguinetti and a 1st rounder?

  53. BWAY / STEVE / RICHTER / Any other name you wanna use to pretend you have friends

    Yeah, this is fun. Only a complete idiot with no life you would take this personal.

    And i did get banned from BB, only because unlike the pussies in there, i had to call out Jess, for being a know it all wannabe Nyr fan, who thinks he’s the shit. Of course i got banned for it, but who cares.

    You sure do know a lot aboot me. I hope you’re not stalking me. You have to be, since you know that nobody is laughing at my “comedy”, You must have cameras set up outside some of the posters houses. Don’t do anything Charles Manson’s followers would do.

  54. Gretzky, check
    Howe, no
    Hull, check
    Dionne, check
    Espo, check
    Gartner, check

    The list stops there with Mess, Stevie Y, Super Mario. But then continues with Lucky Luc. No one is really untouchable.

    I’m not condoning the trade by ANY means (at this point). But you never say never.

  55. Geez Orr you seem to think you’re better and smarter than everyone huh? Are you related to Mike Fatcesa?

  56. JASON

    Ugh, no !!! Id consider taking J-Bo for Pruchs, Dawes, and Sags minus the 1st round pick. But id have a hard time giving up on Sags so early, even if Del Z turns out to be a great draft pick.

    But no, i don’t want to throw a 1st rounder in there for him cause that’s to much in my opinion. But at the same time, i wouldn’t want J-Bo unless he’s replacing Roszival.

    GRAVES

    There you go again. Keep responding. It seems like the 18 year old is gonna have to be the bigger man, instead of the 50 year old. So ill stop responding to your embarrassing ass, since you clearly wont. Get a life buddy, and get some Life Alert while your at it.

  57. I’d like to think that’s right nyr/phx. I’d prefer the ‘no-no’ @ home. But really, I’d just like to beat a few Western teams this year.

    As important as the win, I’d like to see the PP perform well. And for korpi to get involved as much as possible.

  58. They’ll lose tonight everyone will go crazy. House will have about 75 posts where she begs Shanny to return while others demand they get Sundin. The Rangers will beat the Devils and go on to win 3-4 in a row.

  59. Orr, even with moving those 3 players, with getting J-Bo we’d still be over the cap.

    Any trade involving a player with more than a salary of $3mil won’t fit under the cap unless Roszival gets moved and I have a hard time seeing a team take him seeing how overpaid he is.

    I hope I’m wrong about that last part but you’d have to find a sucker to take him at the dollar amount and length.

  60. Yea, you’re right. Hanks about due for a no-no. He’s probably fired up after the last game too.

  61. Life alert hahahahaha oh my sides are splitting. I’m nowhere near 50 but I gotta wonder do you talk to your dad like this? If you even know who he is. Stop with that retarded Boumester trade suggestion already no way would Florida make that trade.

  62. ORR !! What Is It Good FOR ??
    November 10th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
    JASON

    Ugh, no !!! Id consider taking J-Bo for Pruchs, Dawes, and Sags minus the 1st round pick. But id have a hard time giving up on Sags so early, even if Del Z turns out to be a great draft pick.

    But no, i don’t want to throw a 1st rounder in there for him cause that’s to much in my opinion. But at the same time, i wouldn’t want J-Bo unless he’s replacing Roszival.

    GRAVES

    There you go again. Keep responding. It seems like the 18 year old is gonna have to be the bigger man, instead of the 50 year old. So ill stop responding to your embarrassing ass, since you clearly wont. Get a life buddy, and get some Life Alert while your at it.

    You can’t stop yourself can you? Btw it’s I’ll not ill idiot. You’re lucky that Sam is a clueless putz because otherwise you’d get banned. You are a classless braindead loser who couldn’t score with a freaking hooker(besides for your mom)

  63. Beer

    Hull and Dionne were way past their primes when they were traded and Espo’s better years were past him (they also got a great return on him back).

  64. Orr! Why am I such a retard??? on

    What the fugg? Graves You 50 year old senile clown shutup or ill fugg you up. take some life alert and get a live. Richter Shutup you stupid fugg get a life you obessed loser. Jason Pruchs , Sangs and Dawes is enough for Boum but the CATS will get greedy.

  65. jason – yes they were. They were probably once also considered ‘untouchables’ by their respective fan bases too. The point is that there’s no such thing.

  66. The Russian Diva on

    Bou wouldnt solve the Rangers problem which is GOAL SCORING. The defense has been OK and we have Hank.

    How many millions are we paying Gomez/Drury/Naslund/Redden and how many goals are they producing? Something is wrong when Voros is our leading scorer. If the Rangers are gonna make a deal, especially involving a great player like Dubie, it better be for a scorer.

  67. Beer No question nobody is an untouchable and some of the all time great got traded. Of coarse almost all of them didn’t get traded early in their career. I forget if Brett Hull was traded or waived by the Flames anyone recall?

  68. Well playing Strudwick on the second pair is better than hitting someone with a car like he has in the past.

  69. Craig just appreciates good facial hair. 1/2 of the Oilers probably can’t grow any yet.

    I gotta ask, is that the REAL Sam Weinman? Or an imposter, trying to restore order?

  70. Well Beer,

    I agree but also, in the case of Bobby Hull, he only played 9 games after he got traded at the age of 40 so there was no such thing as “untouchable” in that case.

    Dionne there was still some surprise to but while I don’t think he was “untouchable” he was as close to it as it gets.

    As for Espo, I think the trade worked out for both teams. If you look at it back at the start of the 75-76 season, who would have thought that Jean Ratelle (with all the success and friendship he had with Rod Gilbert) and Brad Park (2nd best D-man other than Orr in his day) would have been traded themselves?

  71. If Bouwmeister straight up replaced Rozsival, it’s an upgrade. I actually wouldn’t have any problem making that trade. Rozsival is terrible on defense and has reverted to an inept PP point man quite early (remember last year he got to 12 goals pretty fast and then plateaued).

    This team needs scoring wingers and defensmen who can play defense. The d-squad is pretty bad, Rozy, Kalinen, and Redden are all suspect in their own zones and Hank DOES A LOT to cover up for them. I would like to find a stat on odd-man rushes and breakaways because I bet the Rangers are in the top 7 or 8 teams for most allowed. Add to that the defenses ability to help with loose pucks, what help you ask?! Exactly!!

  72. btw jason…the ‘hull’ on that list is Brett. Not bobby. but it applies just the same. although brett put in another 187goals for the stars and wings, and added his name to the cup.

  73. Beer,

    That makes all the difference then! Brett Hull signed as a free agent with the Stars, Wings and Coyotes. The only trade for him came from Calgary to St. Louis when he was just Bobby Hull’s son and not “The Golden Brett.”

  74. I respectfully disagree Beer, although I usually agree with many of your points.

    I think in a salary cap era you have to label a few young guys “untouchable” in order to be competitive. The only way to succeed is to build around a handful of players when there is a cap.

    If we were to “clean house” at some point, the guys that are staying are Dubi, Henrik and Staal. The list falls off significantly from there. In fact, anyone else on the team can be traded and I would have NO problem with it whatsoever.

    If you get rid of any of those guys, who represents your young core to build around? Certainly not Nigel Dawes and definitely not Lori Korpikoski just yet.

    If you go trading guys like Dubinsky when he is young, cheap and productive you’re setting yourself up for a sisemic fall from the top of the conference to the bottom.

  75. It’s a free country. Their aren’t any.

    GOD FORBID Hank goes down next season in January (for the remainder). The Rangers are in 1st in the NHL and have no signs of letting up. Ryan Miller is available, but the deal maker/breaker is Dubi.

    Pack your bags Mr. Untouchable.

  76. I see what Beer’s saying though… Say Washington or Pittsburgh runs into money issues, can’t afford Ovie’s/Crosby’s salary anymore. They offer to trade either one of those to the Rangers for Dubs or Henrik and a couple picks, as a salary dumping move. I’d take that in a SECOND.

    There’s guys that are normally untouchable, but sometimes horrendous deals are made, and if its lop-sided in our favor, I’d give up a guy for a TOP of the league guy?

  77. Miller’s going nowhere anyway and he’s tied up long term. Gotta come up with a better example you lazy bastard lol.

  78. Ted Leonis is a billionaire so he’s not running into money issues any time soon. I wouldn’t trade Hank straight up for Crosby call me crazy but I wouldn’t.

  79. Gravey – it was just a quick example off the top of my head real quick… obviously its not realistic and there’s like a 99.9999% chance of that NEVER happening… but in the incredibly OFF chance something like that came up, it could happen.

  80. Think about it though. Eric Lindros in his first 6-7 years was one of the most dominant players in recent memory the reason he didn’t win a cup was because he was on teams with goalies that couldn’t stop beach balls. In 95 the Flyers imo were a better team than the Devils but Hextall was a complete sieve in that series and they lost. In ’97 The might have still lost to the Wings in the finals but it would have been competitive with better goaltending.

  81. JASON

    Yeah, it would be tough finding someone to take Rozi’s money, but i think someone would take it. He has a good shot, overpaid or not, some GM’s probably think he can fix a teams PP.

    Im happy to see that the Habs PP isn’t doing to well, probably a little better than Nyr’s but even so, it makes me feel a lot better. Plus Souray, and Streit are doing good, so that must make it worse for them.

  82. Avery is probably jealous on the fashion thing – Shanny too.

    Nutgirl – good posts made me laugh with the rainman. and good hockey insights as well

    graves – 2:27 gave away your alt identity. pretty funny and good to see you agree with me on the good dr.

  83. Orr, Graves9 and whoever else is involved in that little spat…please stop…its like reading a little lovers quarrel.

    Did anyone see the goal last night by Hemsky…unreal…hopefully one of our defensemen step up on that play and take the body…that goal was sick

  84. Heading for the Garden soon. Must admit greatest disappointment so far this season has been Nigel Dawes performance to date. Here’s someone who got an opportunity to progress on the good year he had last year, and has produced almost nothing offensively. His past record would indicate above-average finishing ability, but, so far, nothing has worked. It would be great if Renney can light Dawes’ fire, but i think it has to come from Dawes himself stepping up and making more happen on the ice.

  85. Not that long ago Dawes played on a wing on the top line for the Canadian Junior team in the World Championships. His linemates? None other than Mike Richards and Ryan Getzlaf!!
    And it was Dawes who led the line in scoring!!So there’s some talent there.

  86. THAT WAS LONG AGO. Just like when Prucha scored goals with Jagr, THAT WAS LONG AGO. Its time for them to go.

  87. Hey guys, just a heads up. http://www.hockeygiant.com has jerseys 75% off, I just bought a Prucha jersey (I know, I know, but I needed a primary white jersey for pick up games) for $37. They have Kasparitis too. Plain jerseys are $20, and they have Hartford Wolf Pack jerseys too. Get em while they’re hot!

  88. Everybody scores in Juniors. I believe Sandy McCarthy scored 40 goals in juniors and topped out out 10 goals in the Nhl. Dawes was a really good player last year his horrendous training camp just foreshadowed his bad play early this season.

  89. All Hail King Henrik on

    Enough with this silly trade talk. If Slats trades Dubinsky, for anyone less than Kovalchuk (some will probably still be pissed at this move) he will make a complete joke of the organization.

    Unless we’re getting an ELITE YOUNG CENTER back (i.e. Malkin–yes I know it’d never happen, just making a point), I highly doubt Slats trades Dubi. If he does trade him it will certainly go down as one of the worst trades this team has ever made. Especially when J-bo gets an 8 million per offer from some desperate team and bolts.

    Ecklund is a tool and unless Sather is on crack, this trade never happens.

  90. All Hail King Henrik on

    Forget all the nonsense.

    LETS GO RANGERS!!!!!

    They had better be out for blood tonight. I want to see them DOMINATE.

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