Details of Cherepanov’s death remain murky (Updated)

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A day after the tragic death of Alexei Cherepanov, there remain questions about “whether he was adequately tended to after collapsing”:http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=3642466.

According to Russian hockey officials, there was no ambulance on duty at the arena where Cherepanov’s Russian team, Avangard Omsk, was playing. There’s also a question of whether a defibrillator on site was in working order.

Russian investigators said Cherepanov suffered from chronic ischemia, a medical condition in which not enough blood gets to the heart or other organs.

Still unclear is what the Rangers plans are to honor Cherepanov, or if members of the organization will travel to Russia to attend his funeral. Tom Renney suggested last night that even he would go if it would mean something to the family, but that’s unlikely to happen.

Update, 2:33 p.m.:  One quick clarification about my previous post. The Rangers are playing great, I am not contesting that at all. If you’re a fan and you’re not excited by this team, then you haven’t been watching.

But the important to remember is there are 77 games left to play in the regular season, and then, hopefully for the Rangers, the playoffs.

No team bases its season around what it does in October, and that’s why it’s important to ask questions about what steps this team might need to take to ensure its success extends beyond a couple of weeks. Maybe the answer is nothing right now. But that doesn’t mean you don’t at least consider your options.

The irony  is that in the two previous seasons, I took plenty of heat from fans for beating the “it’s still early” drum when the Rangers were off to a sluggish start and on pace to miss the playoffs.

I’m still beating the same drum. The difference now is you probably want the playoffs to start tomorrow.

All good stuff. I welcome all comments and criticisms provided they’re not laced with expletives.

It’s a long season, so settle in…

Update, 2:49 p.m.: The Rangers have not solidified any plans regarding Cherepanov, but their Russian scout Vladimir Luchenko would be a likely candidate to represent the team. Whether anyone else from the organization would be in attendance for a funeral is still undecided.

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  1. Sam (not the Great Weinman) on

    I was saddened and disheartened at the death of a 19 yo kid yesterday. Today, Im disgusted. Id never wish death on anyone and I’d feel bad even if it were a Red Sox, but the circumstances around the negligence involved witha 19 yo is disgusting. When Peter Gammons has a brain aneurysm and is in his car, someone calls 911. When Tedy bruschi has a stroke, he comes to play football not long after. Same with Paul Pierce getting stabbed 20 times and David Ortiz’ steroid induced irregular heartbeat or Jon Lesters “miraculous” overcoming of cancer “with all the money in the world in his support. New York Guys die in plane crashes and get forgotten about like theyre nothing, while Len Bias, a druggie scumbag and poor example to children gets memorialized by Everything Sox and Patriots Network ESPNs Bill Simmons. What is this world coming to, this kid deserves to mentioned, I didnt watch ESPN but he probably didnt even get a story like Bias has gotten 500 in 20 years.

  2. Do you think the Rangers could have a Cherepanov day, invite the family, have the players wear his number on their sleeve that game…that would be nice

  3. This sounds like a stretch seeing that the whole team has pretty much just gotten back from overseas; but the right thing to do here is to have the whole team go back and attend all funeral processions. Seeing that the kid was part of the Rangers family, that would be the right thing to do in my opinion. Wear the kids number for sometime at least.

  4. Bob said:

    “It is pathetic and stupid to make rookie Korpikoski a scapegoat to lack of offense, especially when we are 5-0. Did moron Renney think Korpikoski would score every game with only 9 minutes of icetime and no PP time?”

    Couldn’t you replace Korpi’s name with Betts’s name and make the SAME EXACT argument? Except oh yeah, Betts DID score.

    Can we trade Betts for Hollweg?

  5. Do you think the league would allow the Rangers to wear a patch on their jerseys with AC and his # for the rest of the year? they should definitely do a charity thing for his family or something….

  6. I agree on both of those last counts Jeever!

    I wonder if they could postpone some games or reschedule to allow the guys to go over there, but I don’t know if its feasible…

  7. It makes me angry that they didn’t have the proper precautions to help this kid.

    Negligence ended a young life. End of story. Whoever is in charge of this stuff over there should be ashamed of themselves. They’re borderline murderers.

    I hope Russia has an equivalent to criminally negligent homicide because that’s what it almost seems like.

  8. NO WAY IN HELL should this entire team fly all the way back over there, not this time, not anytime. Send a rep. If this happened during the summer, yes, but there’s hockey to be played, they killed this kid, it will never come out. No one thinks this is shady? Christ, the Russians had 100 grand shoved in their face to win the Victoria cup. He was killed in public for a reason, I wanna see his mri that he had this heart defect. If he had it, he shouldn’t have been allowed to play or be drafted. This kid was murdered, that’s my opinion.

  9. Did you read where it said the 3 doctors that were working on Cherepanov were beaten up on Tuesday morning?

  10. Whoa, crazy conspiracy theories…

    But, it does seem a bit much to me to suggest that a team of players who barely knew Cherepanov fly to Russia for his funeral. That seems like more than a little overdramatic, not to mention invasive of a very private family moment considering what the press reaction would probably be.

    Any more out of Jagr on this?

  11. doodie machetto on

    “Prucha:

    05-06: 30g in 68 games w Jagr spoonfeeding him (average 0.44 goals per game…shooting percentage 23%!!)
    06-07: 22g in 79 games (avg 0.27g/game…shooting % 16.2%)
    07-08: 7g in 62 games (avg 0.11g/game…shooting % 7.9%)”

    Someone posted these numbers in the last thread, I think it was Newman. But those numbers I think are a little misleading. Can you do it with an average TOI? I bet there is a bit more consistency in a per minute basis as opposed to a per game basis, because there is no doubts his minutes in each game dropped significantly each year.

  12. its horrible, i mean who kind of medical team leaves when there is still time left in the game and when people are in the arena. Also, who the heck doesnt have their so called “machines” working, you have to have a back up i even know that. Seems like the Russians dont care about Medical condition.

  13. That kid should have just pulled a Malkin and fled the country to come here. Just ridiculous. I can’t even believe what I am reading. An ambulance leaves the building early? Jesus, anything can happen during a game. What about the people in attendance? What if someone in the crowd had a heart attack? Dead batteries? Christ, I would jump ship on that shit ASAP!

  14. WILLY – your a lunatic for thinking that the kid was murdered. if this type of incident has never happene din sports then maybe, but this is the samwe thing that has happened to Jiri Fischer of Detroit 2 years ago, how about dee brown of the celtics a while back. This thing is uncommon but it DOES happen. Being drafted mean your part fo the RANGERS FAMILY. The team as a groups should travel back and attend all funeral processions as well as wear his # for the rest of the year.

  15. beth – It speaks volumes.

    I tried most of today to stay away from all the ‘interpretations’ of the events yesterday. After reading the translation in that link, and especially his blog entry, its just so hard to believe something like that can happen to such a great kid.

  16. 5 – 0. Great Start!!!!
    Really fun to watch.
    Give credit to Renny for putting Voros on the second line. Who misses Avery?
    Voros seid it best in his interview after the game. This team wins because of the work effort. The harder they all work, the more they will keep winning. I can see why he was a fan favorite in Minnesota. He’s hardworking, down-to-earth attitude, but still has that “in your face” presence on the ice.
    Every line this year can score on any given shift.
    Can’t wait till Wednesday. Buffalo looked good last night, it should be a good test. I hope Drury’s line can light it up!

  17. hahaha nasty, a career in rock band. i remember watching that behind the blueshirts episode.

    apparently there is going to be some kinda of criminal investigation regarding this cherepanov incident. but i do think its a little ridiculous to send the whole organization over to russia to pay respects. too much media attatched for a private personal matter. having a night at the garden paying respects to the kid is more than appropriate, and maybe wearing a number on the sleeve for the rest of the season is a really great idea.

  18. So the Isles will be without Martinek for 4-6 weeks. Think they’ll even notice? 11 GA in 3 games (incl the 7 to Buf) How much worse can it be out there?

  19. Just to keep you guys updated, so far Hollweg has played in 1/2 of a game (got kicked out of it) and suspended for 5. He’s definately going to be suspended for more games than he’ll play.

  20. “This sounds like a stretch seeing that the whole team has pretty much just gotten back from overseas; but the right thing to do here is to have the whole team go back and attend all funeral processions. Seeing that the kid was part of the Rangers family, that would be the right thing to do in my opinion. Wear the kids number for sometime at least.”

    That is a stretch and not possible. I think Mark Staal was the only player that knew AC.

  21. “They carry Cherepanov away in their arms. Jaromir Jagr removes his helmet and leggings, runs to the locker room and from it, already without skates, rushes to the medical office, where his teammate lies on the bed without breath. For the Czech, the game has ended.”

    Powerful stuff.

    There was definitely negligence but to call this an intended homocide is a bit nutty.

  22. Mike Francesa has a doctor on, and he said there would have been a 99% chance to get him to the hospital breathing with a defibliator. That is why this is so upsetting. A kid lost his life way too soon.

  23. they should have a better medical team over there, dont care if its a communist country or not. Medical Care is very important.

  24. That must of been horrifying for Jagr. I can’t even imagine how he must feel right now. There is a kid sitting right next to you, who idolizes you, and he just passes out. How do you recover from that?

  25. Thats why I said I question whether or not Jagr will even play again. That was the last thing on his mind when he went to Russia and you know how sensative he is.

  26. Jags is soooooo sensitive. He is amazing, i hope he can pull through this. He lived with Jags, Jags lived with Prucha. He takes guys in cause he likes teaching the younger players. What a great guy.

  27. I swear I got a little misty-eyed reading that article from Beer’s link… WOW.

    This is just such a tragedy.

  28. I also wondered if Jagr would ever play again at this, espescially in that league if he feels in any way that Alexei could have been saved by a better medical response

  29. I haven’t made any posts yet this season….just wondering where all of you Shanahan lovers are now?

  30. Cindy Crawford on

    Josh I just came on here to post this… What happened with Shanahan?? Sam, anyone? I thought his agent said he would be playing somewhere by last friday?

  31. “they should have a better medical team over there, dont care if its a communist country or not. Medical Care is very important.”

    That could have been why it took so damn long for the ambulance to get there.

    socialism/communism FAILS.

  32. joe come on now thats not necessary the man is probably hurting right now.

    if anyone wants a distraction… I was waiting for a friend of mine who is a huge fan of slap shot to post this first, but this was how Jo and I spent our Saturday night….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WNT3sMEHpA

    has anyone else had like a numb feeling all day over this totally avoidable tragedy…. I am sure yes…

  33. “The doctors put Cherepanov on a stretcher. Try to breathe life into the boy. Perform CPR. It is useless. Blood starts to trickle from Cherepanov’s nose.”

    Can anyone with medical experience explain the blood from the nose part? Is that normal in these circumstances?

  34. Voros was on NHL Live, and he said that he had a blood clot on his leg during his Devil days, and that because he was a Canadian, he would have had to wait a long time to get it treated up there, but that Lou made it possible for him to get it treated here much sooner.

    yeah, that nationalized health care is a disaster.

  35. Riche

    if they did cpr they may have broken a rib, maybe by continually trying and not medical professionals they fractured some blood vessels…… Not a medical professional myself so that just conjecture…

  36. I think NYr should play with an “AC” patch on there jersey’s. He might not have ever skated in a Rangers, or Wolf Pack jersey, but he was part of the Rangers family. And probably could have been one of the important pieces of this teams future, and possibly one of the next stars of the NHL. Fuggin depressing, that we wont ever be able to find out.

    That link gives me chills. Such a shitty situation. Jagr never expected something like this to happen, who would ? Plus he got so close to the kid.

    Russia sucks !! If this happened here in the NHL, America, or Canada, maybe Cherry would never play hockey again, but he sure as shit would be going to hockey games, being alive. They killed him, as far as im concerned. Its all on them.

    In that link, they had a pic of Zherdev on the bench alone, looking depressed with Dubi. Did he know Cherry ??

    I wonder what Arty Anisimov thinks aboot all this. He played with him on a few occasions. I couldn’t wait till next years god damn pre season games, to see those two reunited, and maybe have Grachev on the wing. Ugh, this is gonna be tough to get over.

    I originally wanted Esposito drafted, cause i knew Nyr would have a shot. But when Cherry kept falling, i was getting excited, hoping every team would pass on him, and Nyr would draft him. I was so friggin patient when it came to him coming over here. I had a feeling when he did, we would realize we might have drafted the steal of the draft. Its a damn shame how things turned out.

  37. Cherepanov suffered from chronic coronary ischemia.

    This is when plaque and fatty matter narrow the inside of an artery to a point where it cannot supply enough oxygen-rich blood to meet your organ’s needs, cramping of the muscle occurs.

    Ischemia of the heart can be compared to a cramp in a muscle, which is what the heart is. Very unfortuneate that this condition wasn’t properly diagnosed and/or treated before.
    Remember Jed Ortmeyer’s scare from a few years back? I hope that no other player, young or old, will have this happen again. Just think, if he had been at Rangers’ Training camp, instead of in Russia, the team doctors might have found it out in time.

  38. yeah whats been up with mara?
    hes been playing extremely well, been really tough… pushin people around, fighting… good low shots on net…

    and he took a home town discount for us…

    heres to more people like that!

  39. UVMCats
    October 14th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
    Cherepanov suffered from chronic coronary ischemia.

    This is when plaque and fatty matter narrow the inside of an artery to a point where it cannot supply enough oxygen-rich blood to meet your organ’s needs, cramping of the muscle occurs.

    Ischemia of the heart can be compared to a cramp in a muscle, which is what the heart is. Very unfortuneate that this condition wasn’t properly diagnosed and/or treated before.
    Remember Jed Ortmeyer’s scare from a few years back? I hope that no other player, young or old, will have this happen again. Just think, if he had been at Rangers’ Training camp, instead of in Russia, the team doctors might have found it out in time.

    Are you a doctor because that is not what I learned. it has nothing to do with fatty deposits

  40. Oh please. We just embarrassed the Russians in the Victoria Cup so they go after our star draft pick. OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE. MURDER

  41. wow
    maybe sam can just block peoples ip addresses…
    cause i have enough login/user names on other websites…

    or

    i could just buy a domain we can continually chat on where shit like that wount be tolerated

    for real
    you are definitely someone who thinks 9/11 was an inside job as well right?
    idiot

  42. Willy – you either have a SICK sense of humor, or you’re incredibly paranoid. Either way, SEEK HELP.

  43. Sam (not the Great Weinman) on

    9/11 probably an inside job by Bostonians….never won anything until after it…all i’ve ever heard when in that city right after 9/11 and in following years is people saying that new yorkers were arrogant and 9/11 sent them a message…would not be surprised.

  44. Jeever
    October 14th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
    Bob said:

    “It is pathetic and stupid to make rookie Korpikoski a scapegoat to lack of offense, especially when we are 5-0. Did moron Renney think Korpikoski would score every game with only 9 minutes of icetime and no PP time?”

    Couldn’t you replace Korpi’s name with Betts’s name and make the SAME EXACT argument? Except oh yeah, Betts DID score.

    That is really stupid, we all watched Betts for 3 seasons, we all know what he is all about, we all know that he can’t score, can’t pass and can’t hit. His PK ability doesn’t justify him being in NHL. Korpikoski is 6 and a half years younger, just a first year rookie and we all know he has the ability to kill penalties, work hard, very good defensively, can score and pass and can hit.

  45. i dunno why my comment is awaiting moderation…
    but in canse anyone missed it the memorial for cherepanov the link ios in my name

  46. bob – why did you come back to this blog from the newsday blog. we get it you don’t like betts. don’t have to say it in every post

  47. Anyone know if there is a way to send condolences to the family of AC?? And to offer support to Jags??

  48. Been reading everyone’s statements here the last two days…no place for me to do normal idiotic jokes….very proud of all the regulars here….

    Three years ago a girl I work with had her second heart attack within a year two feet away from me; I knew NOTHING about CPR…our first response team had 3 of the 4 regulars out that day; I frantically paged the entire building; finally I found someone who helped until ambulance arrived..I swore I would never be in that helpless, useless position again and volunteered to be trained in first response..I have only had 1 training session (last October) I just was informed this past Friday that our second session is this Monday the 20th; so I am no expert…but the one thing I remember being taught during the identifying the problem portion was that if the person is young ASSUME THE WORST…19 year olds do not pass out unless their is something terribly wrong; time is of the essence…I dont want to be a part of the blame game but I watched the 1 minute 42 second video on youtube and I saw no equipment…I know nobody WANTED this to happen but you would think at a hockey arena filled with fans and athletes that trained medical people with up to date lfe saving devices would have been available….

    so sad

  49. “It was really kind of a surreal thing for the players,” Grossman told The Associated Press. “He was skating in on a 2-on-1 with Jaromir and then they came back to the bench. Jaromir was talking to him and he told him he has to score on that play. The next thing you know, he collapsed.

    “(Jagr) went with him into the dressing room area and they revived him for some time and then he didn’t make it,” he said.

    Jagr was pruning this kid for the NHL… think it speaks volumes what a classy guy Jagr is. And the kid honoring his contract when he could have hightailed it to the US.

    This story keeps going from sad-mad-sad.

  50. LI Joe, we get that you don’t like me, but you don’t have to make it so obvious in your every post

  51. Bob – I would say most of my posts I don’t even think of you. still wondering what brought you back here did newsday not have enough posters there? and don’t you get bored typing the same stuff about Betts every time.

    actually you don’t bother me as much as Bob as you used to as Vinny Pooh and Yenner. so maybe you are trying to tone it down. comparing you as Bob to a few (not many certainly can be counted on 1 hand) others I would rather they stop posting than you.

  52. Don’t you get bored watching Betts? Don’t you get bored losing in the 2nd round? Don’t you get bored remembering all my screen names and then reciting them?

  53. bob – you had probably 20 names. I remembered those two and 1 or 2 others. still won’t answer the question on why you came back.

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