Comments on: But where does he fit in? http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/09/09/but-where-does-he-fit-in/ News and insight about the New York Rangers Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:09:33 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Website http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/09/09/but-where-does-he-fit-in/comment-page-2/#comment-161437 Website Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:30:39 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/09/09/but-where-does-he-fit-in/#comment-161437 I wanted to comment and thank the author, good stuff I wanted to comment and thank the author, good stuff

]]> By: Cakewalk http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/09/09/but-where-does-he-fit-in/comment-page-2/#comment-97593 Cakewalk Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:47:17 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/09/09/but-where-does-he-fit-in/#comment-97593 Your endorsement of Shanahan because "he shoots a lot," is like supporting a ballplayer who strikes out too much because he "swings a lot." The game is about PRODUCTION, not style, or form, or mentoring crap, or dumping the puck into the zone, or anything else which deflects from the central purpose of outscoring your opponent. That grotesque excuse for an NHL D, "Wellington" Mara shoots alot, too. Check out his shooting percentage. Hell, if he scored on 10 per cent of all those shots he takes he would be the next Bobby Orr. Because he doesn't score with any frequency, his fan club minions rationalize that he "has a wicked shot." as though wicked, errant shots decide the outcome of games. What made George Steinbrenner a truly great baseball owner over the years was his identifying and swiftly dispatching those who did not produce up to a very high standard of production, whatever the cost to his organization. We need some of that permeating the MSG hierarchy mentality, and also getting through to some fans around here who routinely settle for less than the best from players they happen to like. I like Shanahan a lot for many good reasons, but I don't like him in a Ranger uniform in 2008-2009. I happen to like the Rangers more than any player who pulls their fortunes down. He is not bigger than the team. The team comes first with me, not the overbaked Public Relations player of the month human interest story. Your endorsement of Shanahan because “he shoots a lot,” is like supporting a ballplayer who strikes out too much because he “swings a lot.” The game is about PRODUCTION, not style, or form, or mentoring crap, or dumping the puck into the zone, or anything else which deflects from the central purpose of outscoring your opponent.

That grotesque excuse for an NHL D, “Wellington” Mara shoots alot, too. Check out his shooting percentage. Hell, if he scored on 10 per cent of all those shots he takes he would be the next Bobby Orr. Because he doesn’t score with any frequency, his fan club minions rationalize that he “has a wicked shot.” as though wicked, errant shots decide the outcome of games.

What made George Steinbrenner a truly great baseball owner over the years was his identifying and swiftly dispatching those who did not produce up to a very high standard of production, whatever the cost to his organization. We need some of that permeating the MSG hierarchy mentality, and also getting through to some fans around here who routinely settle for less than the best from players they happen to like.

I like Shanahan a lot for many good reasons, but I don’t like him in a Ranger uniform in 2008-2009. I happen to like the Rangers more than any player who pulls their fortunes down. He is not bigger than the team. The team comes first with me, not the overbaked Public Relations player of the month human interest story.

]]> By: Simple Simon http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/09/09/but-where-does-he-fit-in/comment-page-2/#comment-97592 Simple Simon Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:44:33 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/09/09/but-where-does-he-fit-in/#comment-97592 Your endorsement of Shanahan because "he shoots a lot," is like supporting a ballplayer who strikes out too much because he "swings a lot." The game is about PRODUCTION, not style, or form, or mentoring crap, or dumping the puck into the zone, or anything else which deflects from the central purpose of outscoring your opponent. That grotesque excuse for an NHL D, "Wellington" Mara shoots alot, too. Check out his shooting percentage. Hell, if he scored on 10 per cent of all those shots he takes he would be the next Bobby Orr. Because he doesn't score with any frequency, his fan club minions rationalize that he "has a wicked shot." as though wicked, errant shots decide the outcome of games. What made George Steinbrenner a truly great baseball owner over the years was his identifying and swiftly dispatching those who did not produce up to a very high standard of production, whatever the cost to his organization. We need some of that permeating the MSG hierarchy mentality, and also getting through to some fans around here who routinely settle for less than the best from players they happen to like. I like Shanahan a lot for many good reasons, but I don't like him in a Ranger uniform in 2008-2009. I happen to like the Rangers more than any player who pulls their fortunes down. He is not bigger than the team. The team comes first with me, not the overbaked Public Relations player of the month human interest story. Your endorsement of Shanahan because “he shoots a lot,” is like supporting a ballplayer who strikes out too much because he “swings a lot.” The game is about PRODUCTION, not style, or form, or mentoring crap, or dumping the puck into the zone, or anything else which deflects from the central purpose of outscoring your opponent.

That grotesque excuse for an NHL D, “Wellington” Mara shoots alot, too. Check out his shooting percentage. Hell, if he scored on 10 per cent of all those shots he takes he would be the next Bobby Orr. Because he doesn’t score with any frequency, his fan club minions rationalize that he “has a wicked shot.” as though wicked, errant shots decide the outcome of games.

What made George Steinbrenner a truly great baseball owner over the years was his identifying and swiftly dispatching those who did not produce up to a very high standard of production, whatever the cost to his organization. We need some of that permeating the MSG hierarchy mentality, and also getting through to some fans around here who routinely settle for less than the best from players they happen to like.

I like Shanahan a lot for many good reasons, but I don’t like him in a Ranger uniform in 2008-2009. I happen to like the Rangers more than any player who pulls their fortunes down. He is not bigger than the team. The team comes first with me, not the overbaked Public Relations player of the month human interest story.

]]> By: LI Joe http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/09/09/but-where-does-he-fit-in/comment-page-2/#comment-97574 LI Joe Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:19:00 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/09/09/but-where-does-he-fit-in/#comment-97574 Joe - with all the economic problems in the us i'm not so sure the cap will again go up and certainly not by $ 4 mm. re dumping players the roster is limited to 23 players and league minimum is approx $ 550 k give or take a bit. so unless we go with less than 23 players dumping a $ 750 k player saves at most $ 200 k since a league minimum player would replace. so I would really hate the idea of Shanny at $ 3 mm especially with 1/2 that impacting the following yrs cap. it's going to happen I just didn't want it to. and it will bother me more in 2nd 1/2 of season as his age will show even more with various ailments a 40 yr old gets. Joe – with all the economic problems in the us i’m not so sure the cap will again go up and certainly not by $ 4 mm. re dumping players the roster is limited to 23 players and league minimum is approx $ 550 k give or take a bit. so unless we go with less than 23 players dumping a $ 750 k player saves at most $ 200 k since a league minimum player would replace. so I would really hate the idea of Shanny at $ 3 mm especially with 1/2 that impacting the following yrs cap. it’s going to happen I just didn’t want it to. and it will bother me more in 2nd 1/2 of season as his age will show even more with various ailments a 40 yr old gets.

]]> By: Joe in DE http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/09/09/but-where-does-he-fit-in/comment-page-2/#comment-97551 Joe in DE Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:41:27 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/09/09/but-where-does-he-fit-in/#comment-97551 LI Joe, thanks for making a coherent argument and not resorting to name calling. I understand your point about deferring the salary, and I agree. However, the cap is going up about 4 million a year. We also have a glut of mediocre 4 line players, many of whom will play the majority of this year in Hartford. Dump one of them for a draft pick, and free up the car space. We have 750K left, dump another 750K from the 4th liner, give Shanny 1.5 now, and defer another 1.5 till next year. Come next season, the cap will rise about 4 mil, and our overall payroll can go up 2.5 mil. Also, next season Jagr's salary is completely off our cap, which helps. Shanny gets 3 mil overall and we don't really lose anything except a player who isn't really going to amount to anything anyway (and maybe gain a good new prospect). LI Joe, thanks for making a coherent argument and not resorting to name calling. I understand your point about deferring the salary, and I agree. However, the cap is going up about 4 million a year. We also have a glut of mediocre 4 line players, many of whom will play the majority of this year in Hartford. Dump one of them for a draft pick, and free up the car space. We have 750K left, dump another 750K from the 4th liner, give Shanny 1.5 now, and defer another 1.5 till next year. Come next season, the cap will rise about 4 mil, and our overall payroll can go up 2.5 mil. Also, next season Jagr’s salary is completely off our cap, which helps. Shanny gets 3 mil overall and we don’t really lose anything except a player who isn’t really going to amount to anything anyway (and maybe gain a good new prospect).

]]> By: BlueBlood209 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/09/09/but-where-does-he-fit-in/comment-page-2/#comment-97543 BlueBlood209 Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:05:56 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/09/09/but-where-does-he-fit-in/#comment-97543 LI Joe - We don't hold your shared opinion against you - you've made some good points and this is a debate. I would say I'd go as high as 1.5 to 2.5 max. depending upon whether you believe they've got another 2 in cap space (as some are reporting) or less than 1 as seems to be the more popular opinion. I wouldn't pay him what he got last year, and agree that we can't keep deferring until the following year. Salaries are going up faster than the cap. I'm not great at the number crunching, but I'd say he's worth 2 to us this year, if it can be done. LI Joe – We don’t hold your shared opinion against you – you’ve made some good points and this is a debate. I would say I’d go as high as 1.5 to 2.5 max. depending upon whether you believe they’ve got another 2 in cap space (as some are reporting) or less than 1 as seems to be the more popular opinion. I wouldn’t pay him what he got last year, and agree that we can’t keep deferring until the following year. Salaries are going up faster than the cap. I’m not great at the number crunching, but I’d say he’s worth 2 to us this year, if it can be done.

]]> By: LI Joe http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/09/09/but-where-does-he-fit-in/comment-page-2/#comment-97537 LI Joe Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:13:59 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/09/09/but-where-does-he-fit-in/#comment-97537 simple simon - aka bonfire you really need an attitude adjustment. i happen to agree with you on shanny but hate your attitude toward others here again i ask you shanny boosters = you seem to want to bring him back at all costs cap wise. especially if they're allowed to cap defer his salary. he is not worth it. and we do not need to hurt our cap for next yr to watch him deteriorate all season this season. and be less than zero come spring. happen to agree with bonfire on this just not the way he says it. i feel dirty now like i am agreeing with an islander fan by agreeing with bonfire. simple simon – aka bonfire you really need an attitude adjustment. i happen to agree with you on shanny but hate your attitude toward others here

again i ask you shanny boosters = you seem to want to bring him back at all costs cap wise. especially if they’re allowed to cap defer his salary. he is not worth it. and we do not need to hurt our cap for next yr to watch him deteriorate all season this season. and be less than zero come spring. happen to agree with bonfire on this just not the way he says it. i feel dirty now like i am agreeing with an islander fan by agreeing with bonfire.

]]> By: Joe in DE http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/09/09/but-where-does-he-fit-in/comment-page-2/#comment-97534 Joe in DE Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:11:07 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/09/09/but-where-does-he-fit-in/#comment-97534 Hardly a retard dude, I can read the stats. Meanwhile you're comparing hockey shooting percentage to baseball batting average. It's undeniable that Shanahan's production has gone down, but what player's hasn't? Gretzky scored 92 in 81-82, did anyone reasonably expect him to maintain that kind of production throughout his career? Even in spite of his age, he's still a guaranteed 20+ goal scorer, plays an important PK role, and provides intangible qualities of leadership and mentoring to our many young players. All at a bargain price and no long term commitment. Even with his lower production of the second half of the season, it's still more goals than the entire 4th line combined. Speedy Freddy only scored 12 this season, Hollweg 2, Orr 1, and even Prucha, who only scored 7. That's 22. Shanny scored 23. Wanna talk about shooting percentage? What about Gomez who has an even lower percentage, and scored only 16 goals in 8 more games. Granted, Gomez is a play maker and had lots of assists, but for 7 mil/per, you'd think he could bury a few more. Dump some dead weight, give Shanny 1.5 and defer 1.5 till next year. We're the 23rd lowest scoring team in the NHL. If we combine production with our stingy defense, we'll have a great season. Hardly a retard dude, I can read the stats. Meanwhile you’re comparing hockey shooting percentage to baseball batting average. It’s undeniable that Shanahan’s production has gone down, but what player’s hasn’t? Gretzky scored 92 in 81-82, did anyone reasonably expect him to maintain that kind of production throughout his career? Even in spite of his age, he’s still a guaranteed 20+ goal scorer, plays an important PK role, and provides intangible qualities of leadership and mentoring to our many young players. All at a bargain price and no long term commitment. Even with his lower production of the second half of the season, it’s still more goals than the entire 4th line combined. Speedy Freddy only scored 12 this season, Hollweg 2, Orr 1, and even Prucha, who only scored 7. That’s 22. Shanny scored 23. Wanna talk about shooting percentage? What about Gomez who has an even lower percentage, and scored only 16 goals in 8 more games. Granted, Gomez is a play maker and had lots of assists, but for 7 mil/per, you’d think he could bury a few more. Dump some dead weight, give Shanny 1.5 and defer 1.5 till next year. We’re the 23rd lowest scoring team in the NHL. If we combine production with our stingy defense, we’ll have a great season.

]]> By: Simple Simon http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/09/09/but-where-does-he-fit-in/comment-page-2/#comment-97529 Simple Simon Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:13:44 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/09/09/but-where-does-he-fit-in/#comment-97529 Interesting, regarding Shanahan's being a first ballot Hall of Famer. It's based upon what he did YEARS AGO, not lately. Lately he is a first ballot Charlotte Checkers unhealthy scratch, at best. And shooting percentage IS important, when it has diminished dramatically over the last three years. What are you saying, we need someone who can no longer score but it's ok because, in effect, he can still dump the puck into the offensive zone? Here is a guy who can no longer score, can no longer skate, and fuks up the club roster by taking a slot from someone more deserving who could better help (not hurt) the club's overall performance. But it's ok with you because you are steeped in your happy memories. You are not a woman, you are a retard. Both of you. Interesting, regarding Shanahan’s being a first ballot Hall of Famer. It’s based upon what he did YEARS AGO, not lately. Lately he is a first ballot Charlotte Checkers unhealthy scratch, at best. And shooting percentage IS important, when it has diminished dramatically over the last three years. What are you saying, we need someone who can no longer score but it’s ok because, in effect, he can still dump the puck into the offensive zone?

Here is a guy who can no longer score, can no longer skate, and fuks up the club roster by taking a slot from someone more deserving who could better help (not hurt) the club’s overall performance. But it’s ok with you because you are steeped in your happy memories. You are not a woman, you are a retard. Both of you.

]]> By: Simple Simon http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/09/09/but-where-does-he-fit-in/comment-page-2/#comment-97527 Simple Simon Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:04:56 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/09/09/but-where-does-he-fit-in/#comment-97527 Christ, if he drops dead on the ice you will still be touting his "comeback." Christ, if he drops dead on the ice you will still be touting his “comeback.”

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