Rangers-Phoenix poaching continues


Yesterday it was the Rangers announcing they had signed on former Coyotes GM Mike Barnett as a special adviser to Glen Sather. Today I spoke to Frank Effinger, who was a Rangers pro scout until this month, but is now the Head Pro Scout for Phoenix (Frank, as “I’ve written about before”:http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2006/11/04/coming-full-circle/, also has the distinction of being my first-ever hockey coach, when I was a mite wearing my older brother’s 1972-edition shin pads. Despite that, he’s actually carved out a pretty nice career for himself).

Which leads me to point out again that despite the frequent comings-and-goings between New York and Phoenix, there are in fact 28 other teams in the NHL.

A quick review of some of the recent transactions between the two teams, which I suppose should begin when the Great One himself stepped out of a Rangers uniform and into an ownership position with the Yotes (by the way, these are all off the top of my head, so feel free to chime in):

<li>Rangers assistant GM Don Maloney leaves New York to become GM in Phoenix.

<li>Rangers trade Marcel Hossa and Al Montoya (both Don Maloney acquisitions) to Phoenix for David LeNeveu, Josh Gratton and Fred Sjostrom.

<li>Rangers trade Alex Bourret, another DMA, to Phoenix for a third-round draft choice.

<li>Barnett to Rangers.

<li>Effinger to Phoenix.

I’m sure there are more, but it’s hot in my office and I just had a big sandwich.

Stay tuned for some important news about the first edition of our new live chat….

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  1. Well, the ties between the organizations go back before Maloney taking the job, if you want to get into it.

    Wayne Gretzky PLAYED for the Rangers. And his next job in hockey was with PHX.

    Didn’t we trade Jamie Skidmark there? In a deal with Jeff Taffe/Fedor Federov?

  2. Sam, if you want to go even further back, we traded Kris King to Winnipeg during the ’92-’93 season. He later became the last Winnipeg Jets captain before they moved to Phoenix.

  3. NYR/PHX management is like an episode of Lost. There is a parallel between them and the Island/Dharma Initiative.

  4. From the last post –

    “Maybe smallest 1st and second lines-Yikes-Yikes!!

    “But there’s better 4th line players out there. ”


    Kaspar, Gomez/Gionta worked and Gionta has to be the smallest guy in the league.

    Beer, out of curiousity, who is a better 4th liner?

  5. so far we have gotten the crap end of every single one of those transactions…

  6. You know, I looked through more of the depth charts, and I found that it really depends on what you’re looking for. Just like my earlier post indicated. If you want a real defensive guy, they’re out there, and Betts is among the top, I guess.

    If you want a guy to score more than 1 or 2 goals a year, they’re out there.

    If you want a fighter, they’re there. So it really depends on what you’re looking for.

    It’s also hard to ‘know’ who the 4th liners are. Honestly, without the depth charts, I’d have a hard time naming more than a dozen that even play in the nhl, let alone really KNOW if they’re ‘better’ than betts.

    DET is an easy target if you want 3 guys that I’d feel comfortable with. But again, that team is so well balanced, you don’t need a “shut-down” line.

    So “better” is the key word there.

  7. Oh, I don’t know about that Leetch3. Any trade that sends Skidmark the other way is a win.

  8. DET is an easy target if you want 3 guys that I’d feel comfortable with. But again, that team is so well balanced, you don’t need a “shut-down” line.

    Beer, what about Downy (56 gp, 0g), Drake (65 gp, 3 g, minus12), Kopecky (77 gp, 5g), and Maltby (61 gp, 6g, minus8). Slightly more production, but is it really what you were expecting from the league’s “best” 4th line?? Doubtful.

  9. im hanging by a moment for this chat news

    and veratek isnt an all star for good measure

  10. That’s another problem, I’d imagine that nhl-wide, teams 4th lines change the most. So its hard to tell sometimes. Really, it’s a useless conversation due to the fact that “better” needs to be defined.

    But if those 14 combined goals from those guys is what you were missing, then there’s no problem with it. Just depends on what you’re looking for.

  11. Beer, what did you think about Ortmeyer? Replaceable? I don’t think Hollweg replaces him, but that’s sorta’ the role Hollywood’s now in with Orr being the “fighter.” Ortmeyer also gave us a 1-0 lead against the Devils in game 4, 2006 right?

    Let the “clutch” conversations begin!!

  12. Blue404Seats on

    Ortmeyer also gave us a 1-0 lead against the Devils in game 4, 2006 right?

    winning the extra effort award is close enough to the con smythe trophy

    btw that goal was i think one of 2 hes scored in his life, and if i recall it wasn’t a real shot on net

  13. They’re ALL replacable.

    I don’t even know how I ended up on that side of the conversation. I like betts! I just think that you can always find replacements.

  14. Ugh, Hollweg. His downside — hands of stone, terrible penalties at all the wrong times, lack of actual fighting skills — do not make up for the minor upside of being a locker room favorite.

  15. Blue404Seats on

    beer me… agreed… all replaceable except betts – hes one of a kind for a fourth liner

  16. vogs
    July 9th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    Your answer to who hit Lindros into the boards in Washington is none other than past Ranger Jason Doig. Traded from Dallas for Todd “thumb/heartbeat” Harvey.

    Lindros did then get up and go right after Doig and beat his a$$.

    Blair Betts was a decent trade for Chris Simon if I am correct?

  17. Anybody feel like me?

    This Ranger-Phoenix topic is a bore…lets talk about what hard hitting dee-man is available so we can trade a couple of the dozen or so 4th line/AHL players we have for him…..

    Anyone on Blackhawks…they are over the cap ( although I hear that Khabibulen may go to LA)

  18. Well……;last time I looked Bret Hedican was still unsigned, and he’s a great defenseman, but could possibly his coat of arms be a turnoff to prospective empoloyers?

    You know, the one with a crutch and double band aids, rampant on a bar sinister, with a pulmotor flagrant?

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