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UPDATE, 10:13 a.m.: The spending spree has already begun! The Rangers have re-signed Matt Zaba. Let’s just say if this is the big splash of the summer, your team is in trouble.

So what are the odds that the Rangers re-sign anyone before noon tomorrow?

Well, think about it for a second: You are an impending free agent. You have had all spring to entertain offers from your own team, and in roughly 27 hours, you will now be able to entertain offers from the rest of the NHL as well.

I am not an economics professor — in fact, I can barely balance a checkbook — but it only makes sense for you to see what’s out there, especially given the “exorbitant sums already being handed out”:http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=242037&lid=headline&lpos=topStory_nhl to players who are not exactly Hall of Famers.

That being said, there is the possibility that the Rangers submit to the fear of the unknown and present one of their free agents with a contract offer enticing enough to sign now. So for instance, not wanting to risk Michal Rozsival being offered $5 million a season, the Rangers come in with a comparable sum today, all while appealing to the sense of security and loyalty Rozsival has developed in New York.

The odds of this happening are pretty slim, especially since this could have easily happened a week ago, too. But who knows: with the deadline approaching, some teams might now be feeling the heat more than ever.

Either way, stay tuned to the blog over the next few days. We will be monitoring everything closely, so don’t forget to check back often..

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  1. I don’t want to see jagr and his buddies anymore. It’s time to make this team Drury’s and Gomez’s. Jagr was good for the rangers to help them back to being a respectable team and making the playoffs but it is time to move on and get younger.

  2. I just want this team to be better after the dust settles. I am a jagr fan but I don’t need shanny or most of the other UFA’s. We need solid and fast D.

  3. onecupin67years on

    The economics of sports makes it difficult or impossible for the the long time fan to passionately root for their teams. Its all about the money for the owners and players.Most fans forget this,so they root and cheer with wins and groan with the losses,often times its the fans not the players who are more affected by the losses. So who cares who the rangers sign or don’t sign ,for these players its the cash not the hoisting the Stanley cup which matters most to them.

  4. This is for sure.
    Avery–gone
    Straka–gone
    Jagr–gone
    Rosival–gone
    The rest are a ? mark.
    I still say a MAJOR trade is coming with 2 of our wingers’ and a d-man,and a minor league player or two.

  5. I understand the need to build for the future but even the future isn’t guarenteed. In order to be competetive this season they must sign at least Jagr and Avery and possibly even Rosival if they aren’t able to pick up Campbell or Orpick. All of this talk about bringing up the young guys sounds great but all young guys aren’t going to get you deep in the playoffs. At least by signing Jagr to a 1 year deal and Avery to a 3 year deal in the ballpark of 3.5 they have a chance to make a run. The future is bright but the present can’t be dull.

  6. Salty, how about Detroit? I’m pretty sure they have the cap-space. The only problem with him signing there is that just about all of their players are “team” two-way guys.

  7. Put yourself in any players place and ask if you would do anything different. Are you telling me that if you worked in the hospital industry and a competeing hospital was going to give you an extra 2 million dollars to work at their hospital doing the exact same job that you would refuse simply for loyalty to your hospital. You are nuts and its naive to believe that would happen in pro sports. Remember, this is their lifestyle, their employment, their future. Their careers only last about 10 years, after that they become used car salesmen. I don’t blame one of them for chasing the money.

  8. So i can’t say I’m surprised Malone signed for 7 years at $4.5million a year – – he is, afterall, the latest “playoff wonder-child” (broken nose, slapshot to the face, product of a great offensive squad…for past references please see “Chris Drury”).

    However, I can’t imagine how this guy won’t be bought out in about 3 years. He played 1st or 2nd line time with Malkin, Crybaby, Hossa, Gonchar, and Sykora basically all year. He also played top-PP minutes, and had 50-something points. Wow. This UFA market is going bananas. I wonder if Campbell will get something like a 6-year deal worth $8million per. IF there are enough teams in the pot, it’s not that far off – and that would be WAY overpaying for him.

    Liles at $4million seems about right. The guy often scores mid-teens in goals and 35-50 points a season. If Tyutin’s slated to make $3.3million than Liles is worth about $4million’ish.

  9. Posts like Rmant’s I think give way too much credit to Jagr and such. I think the team will _absolutely_ be competetive without him. The current roster could not get us “deep” in the playoffs either, I don’t know what makes you think this year would be different… look at Philly…they took the time to do a thorough rebuild and it *really, really paid off for them*. I pray to the heavens that we let this assclown Jagr try his luck elsewhere. He has way too much control over this team, and thats not healthy.

    FACT: *We should have traded him at the deadline.*

  10. Colorado Mark on

    ACDAVIDDC: So you think that 3 of our top six forwards are gone (No mention of Shanny) And we are going to trade 2 more wingers? So you are think the Rangers will get rid of more than half our starting forwards? It sounds more like a Rotisserie/NHL 09 scenario. I think we will see changes, but Renney is more comfortable with guys he knows. I have a hard time believing there will be that much of an overhaul.

  11. glad to see orpik rejected pens offer..anyone know what the terms were? i’m thinkin he gets a little over 4/yr.

    i agree with moving on without jagr, shanny, rosie..i would like avery back but hopefully he won’t put the screws to the rangers..

  12. Salty, how about Detroit? I’m pretty sure they have the cap-space. The only problem with him signing there is that just about all of their players are “team” two-way guys.

    …..

    I can’t imagine a team as perfect as DET throwing a guy like Jags into the mix for any reason whatsoever! They are not losing any key guys this offseason and Jagr’s got way too much ego & baggage to go to a team that is already functioning so well. I don’t think he’d want to go to a team where he is CLEARLY not “the guy” either. I could be wrong, but it really seems like Jagr needs to be the focus… you throw him on DET he’s far from it.

  13. Salty, Do you really think that Callahan, Dawes, Dubinsky and Sjostrom are going to get us anywhere near the playoffs? I am a fan of all of them but they are simply part of a bigger puzzle. Without talent such as Jagr this season is a loss whether you like it or not. As a fan I am not willing to wait another 2 or 3 years before I cheer like I did at MSG this year during the playoffs just to hope that the new “young” Rangers get us back to an exciting second round. And for the record they easily could have won just about every game with Pittsburgh. They were very competitive, they just met a very hot pittsburgh team which peaked at the right time.

  14. At thsi point, and I’ve been a JAgr supporter from Day 1, that we should just let him go. His comments only make it easier, all his “Me, I, and Mine” talk does not spell out team to me. Plus he has to know Sather is nto building the team around him this year, and can’t. Bye bye JAgs you were good while you were here.

    Straka, Malik, are definitely gone.

    So I’d say let Shanny come back for one more year, give him the “C” and retire a Ranger, let Drury and Gomer have the “A”s, put Shanny on the third or 4th line with diminshed minutes, and who knows maybe since he wont be hurt he’ll have a good final year?

    RESIGN AVERY, sice JAgs is gone, well have the $$ to do that, go after one of the big D men, and get another winger for Gomer.

    Im really afraid of what Sather is goign to announce in the next 24-48 hours.

  15. you’re right salty. If anyone missed the interview over the weekend, I know that blueshirtbulletin had a piece on it, and hockeyrodent had a decent ‘version’ too. Jagr wants to go somewhere that’s HIS team. Det is certainly the wrong place.

    right again that jags shoulda been dealt at the dealine.

    But, the only reason I think this team didn’t go “deep” into the playoffs is just that(above). Pitt dealt what they had to to get the player they needed. We didn’t. Bottom line is that they were serious about it and felt they had everything else in place. Either slats didn’t try, couldn’t get it done, or wasn’t interested.

    I’ll tell you what though…I wasn’t big on Orpik earlier on, but 2 years now we’ve been needing a physical dman, and haven’t gotten one. and it shows. If we go into this season without one, I won’t be very optomistic. Unless Staal hit the ‘roids.

  16. Steve Schwartz on

    At some point, the Rangers are going to have to move on without Jagr. If he believes he can–and should–still be the focal point of the offense, maybe it is time to bid him a fond farewell. He is not that player anymore, certainly not for an 82 game season, and he is not worth tying up a ton of cap space for a multi-year deal. Avery…different issue. Avery is a terrific asset, when he is healthy, but he is often NOT healthy. But, New York is a perfect fit for him. He is a little off-center ,and NY loves that kind of personality. Before he runs off to some other organization, he ought to step back and think about the problems he had with management everywhere else he has been…before New York. Maybe a little home town discount would be the samrt thing for him to do. And, finally, for as much fun as this current group of Rangers has given us, they have not gotten past the 2nd round yet. Thoughts of losing players like Jagr, Shanny, Roszival, etc. are hard to have, but, it is important to recognize that this group is limited. Maybe it is time to replace some of the older, aging parts and bring in some new blood!

  17. Rmant, i disagree. I’d rather miss the playoffs entirely using the year wisely for the cap (planning for future signings/trades) and developing young players rather than win 5 post-season games.

    The Rangers were competetive with Buffalo last year as well, but they lost in 6 games. Perhaps if those are 7 game series, it would be possible to argue the Rangers COULD have won them but they lost in 6 and 5 games. The Rangers WILL NOT do any better if they resign Jagr, Avery, and Rozsival this year – so why waste the money and that ice time (this comment specifically referring to Jagr and Rozi)??

  18. So I’d say let Shanny come back for one more year, give him the “C” and retire a Ranger, let Drury and Gomer have the “A”s, put Shanny on the third or 4th line with diminshed minutes, and who knows maybe since he wont be hurt he’ll have a good final year?
    ………

    No more freebies! Shanahan’s done.
    Thanks for 2 seasons, we’ll make you an “MSG Pro-files!” Take care.

  19. As a fan I am not willing to wait another 2 or 3 years before I cheer like I did at MSG this year during the playoffs just to hope that the new “young” Rangers get us back to an exciting second round.

    ….

    Sorry man, but this is what is wrong in NY sports. No one is willing to wait for anything. Everyone here knows how incredibly short we fell from the Cup this year. Things need to change, keeping Jaromir Jagr is not the answer, and paying through the nose for Avery is another bad idea as well. If the Rangers want to be competetive, you find players compatible with the million dollar men they brought in. It’s a very simple concept, lets see if they even bother trying to follow it.

  20. True blue, I am not saying we should sign Jagr to a multi year deal. If you let Shanny go and give Jagr one year with incentives applied next year you have a chance to make a run this year while not at all sacrificing the future or the cap. Teams don’t make roster decisions based on giving “ice time” to younger players, not to mention that there are no younger players that would earn Jagr’s first line minutes. We don’t even have a first line (Callahan-Gomez-Dawes??). And Rozy is a must unless another top d-man is signed. You can’t compete without a number 1 d-man. And they have an obligation to compete.

  21. Dump JAgr, Rosi, Straka is gone anyway, so is Malik
    .
    Keep Shanny for leadership support, fourth line duties and to wear the C in is retirment year.

    Resign Avery for two years at 3.5? Would that be so retarded? Since no JAgr, we have less cap issues and more $$ to maneuver.

    Sign Orpik, Campbell or another big hitter Dman (Not saying Campbell is) and get Gomer a winger.

    This seems like a non issue as we as fans can see and KNOW what needs to be done. And pretty much we’ve all been saying the same things for the last month (JSut inserting different players into the mix)

    I’d honestly rather have Hossa than Sundin, at least he wont be retiring the year after. And again wihtout JAgrs payday, he’d be Gomner’s winger, problem solved.

    Can Sather be this stupid?
    Will he really try and Sign Sundin?
    I pray not.

    Dawes, Shoey, Valli – offer sheets
    MAra – Keep with reduced pay, again he’ll take it he loves NYC & NYR and is good at what he does

  22. Salty- We waited long enough. They have not been in the playoffs in years. It’s been a decade for god sake. Just two years in exciting playoff runs and everyones a Ranger fan again. It’s fun again. I’m not interested in relieving the early 2000’s just to hope Bobby Sanguinetti is as good as michal Rosival. You make it like Hartford is stacked with Sydney Crosby’s. Hate to break it to you but they aren’t. If they were they would have cracked the NHL lineup already. What is needed is a good, affordable mix of top talent and young horses to give us something to cheer for. And I only advocate signing Jagr for one affordable incentive laden year. By then the young guys will be ready and next years pool of quality free agents will be up.

  23. TrueBlue

    I kind of agree, but is Sather really going to have no “Older statemen” on the team other than Gomer and Drury?

    Im just trying to rationalize what the hell is goign through his head. Probably why he told Shanny to wait and be patient, one plan wiht JAgr, one without, probably meant one plan with SHanny, one without.

    Should he not be resigned? YEs he shouldnt

    But this is Sather were talking about,and I doubt he’s going to do the RIGht thing for the team.

    Just preparing myself for the worst when it happens.

  24. But o nthe other hand- If it’s Sather’s idea to let everyone go this year and save the cap space for the huge crop of quality UFA’s next year I am all for it.

  25. It’s pretty clear so far who has read Jagr’s recent interview and who has not. (hockeyrodent.com)

    The guy is *not* going to sign for a “bargain” number and he is *not* going to want to be on a team where he is not the main focal point. At this point, it’s very hard for me to imagine him coming back, and if he does, we will be giving up *way more* than just cap space, we are giving up complete integrity and giving up faith in the signings of Scott Gomez and Chris Drury. The time has come to part ways. The time has come to make some real progress.

  26. True blue, I am not saying we should sign Jagr to a multi year deal. If you let Shanny go and give Jagr one year with incentives applied next year you have a chance to make a run this year while not at all sacrificing the future or the cap. Teams don’t make roster decisions based on giving “ice time” to younger players, not to mention that there are no younger players that would earn Jagr’s first line minutes. We don’t even have a first line (Callahan-Gomez-Dawes??). And Rozy is a must unless another top d-man is signed. You can’t compete without a number 1 d-man.
    ………….

    Rozy is NOT a number 1 d-man. Hutchinson could have done what he did last year. Staal WILL be better this year than Rozy.

    Teams DO PLAN for the future – if you sign a Jagr then there will be less time for ALL OTHER WINGERS including UFA/RFAs and young talent.

    We didn’t have a first line last year – not until 60 games into the season after Dubi took a second hack at centering it and Gomer and Drew each couldn’t mesh well, twice. They still made that “great run” to lose in the second round. Don’t be worried about first-line chemistry. It’s going to be a rough season on many other fronts.

    If you give Jagr incentives applied to next year, guess what, IT HURTS OUR CHANCES OF SIGNING UFA’s *NEXT YEAR!!!!* Therefore, you are sacrificing some of your future AND your future cap space.

  27. onecupin67years on

    Its not like the Rangers are a player or two for seriously competing for the cup, they’re half a team away,d and forwards, Let jagr and the the other overpaid old timers go ,thats what they should have done to leetch and richter when the had trade value not Ranger fan value.And many players put cash before winning thats for sure,I do find fault for that,then there is no incentive to win for a better pay day.

  28. I am not sure who ever used the word “bargain”, interesting when peopel insert words to strengthen their argument. I sure did not. I said incentive laden, which does not imply bargain. And I also advocate allowing him to be the main focus of the team since he deserves it and is far more valuable than Gomez and Drury. And I’m sorry, did someone mention integrity? How does that even make sense. Unless you can post the quote I’d say you just completely made up that they were signed and ever told that Jagr would be removed and it would be “their” team. I see you do not rely on facts, instead create things to bolster your argument.

  29. Scratch defencemen John-Michael Liles and Adam Foote from the list of available free agents.

    Sources tell TSN that Liles and the Colorado Avalanche have agreed to terms on a four-year contract worth an average of slightly more than $4 million per year.

    So Forget about Liles being a Ranger

  30. Doodie Machetto on

    “Adding some intrigue to the story, last week the Lightning hired former Penguins’ player Greg Malone as their head pro scout. Greg Malone is the father of Ryan.”

    That’s why Malone took as little as he did. He could’ve made 5.5 on the open market, easily.

    Truefns, you pointed out his linemates and what not, but there is mre to Malone’s game than points. He’s a big dude, and he plays with that size. He’s a power forward. A brilliant passer like Crosby, or a brilliant finisher like Malkin isn’t going to make him rack up that many more points because he isn’t a sniper, and he isn’t a set up man. The guy scored 22 goals his rookie year, on an AWFUL Pittsburgh team, right before the lockout. Now, Pittsburgh played a different game then he does, using a lot of one touch passing to open up lanes and eventualy find someone open for a tap-in or something like that. Malone isn’t that fancy of a player to really be into that.

    Tampa Bay will be interesting next season. They have a lot of weapons up front (Lecavalier, St. Louis, Prospal, Malone, Stamkos), but they still have no defense(can you seriosly name someone other than Dan Boyle without checking?) and their goaltending is potentially suspect (Smith was good as Turco’s backup, let’s see how he handles a whole season).

  31. This team needs speed and size up front, a tough combination to find.

    Do Kveton, Zaborsky, Grachev, Weiss, Anisemov and Cheraponov all have NHL ability?

    If indeed they all stand to be NHL regulars then I don’t see how the Rangers can make long term offers to this years UFA crop.

    All of these guys I just mentioned are going to be in the NHL in three seasons.

    So if you add Prucha, Dawes, Moore, Callahan, Dubinsky, Parenteu, Sjostrom, Gomez, Hollwegg, Orr, Drury and Betts then you subtract two or three due to trade or waivers (Prucha, Hollwegg, and Partenteau to the AHL) plus one or two UFA’s up front there’s your forward core for 08-09.

    Staal, Mara, Toots, Girardi, Potter/Liffiton, UFA and Strudwick? on defense

    Vally and Hank in net?

    That leaves a lot of money under the cap.

  32. 1. Rmant, you did not read/understand the interview.
    2. I used “bargain” as to not call out the guy who said sign Jagr at $3.5M/per (lol at Jagr taking this)…guess my cover is blown.
    3. You did not read/understand the interview.
    4. I’m sure Gomez and Drury were not “promised the team” but I’m sure it was outlined to them that they would be #1 and #2… they signed BIG LONG CONTRACTS and they got jerked around this year while Jagr had his worst year ever. I’d say if they bent over backwords to bring Jagr bac and let this happen again, they are sacrificing major integrity as a team. *WHO* would *EVER* want to sign here again after seeing that?

    most importantly:
    5. You did not read/understand the interview.

    Signing Jagr will cost NYR way more than money.

  33. If you think Rozy wasn’t the Rangers number one d-man you are crazy. Look at the power play numbers he put up and for all of his miscues he made alot of clutch plays throughout the season. If you deny that then you really don’t watch closely, especially to dare and say Hutchinson could have done what he did. And we already have Staal, we need ANOTHER top defensemen. The team takes 6 of them, you know. So if not Rozy then a quality UFA. I am not rozy fan but he must be replaced if he doesn’t come back.

    If you would have read my next post you would see that if Sathers intentions are to sign top UFA’s next year then I agree.

    And NO, teams do not build just to give ice time tio young unproven talent. That’s what Hartford is for and injury call ups and the end of a miserable season when you are eliminated from the playoffs. Not the start of a new season with a chance to do some damage. Rememebr, 29 teams don’t win the cup.

  34. Truefns, you pointed out his linemates and what not, but there is mre to Malone’s game than points. He’s a big dude, and he plays with that size. He’s a power forward. A brilliant passer like Crosby, or a brilliant finisher like Malkin isn’t going to make him rack up that many more points because he isn’t a sniper, and he isn’t a set up man. The guy scored 22 goals his rookie year, on an AWFUL Pittsburgh team, right before the lockout.
    ………

    Didn’t Malone have the advantage of less defensive coverage by virtue of being with the elite Penguin players? Did he also not have more chances to score or PASS to someone more likely to score than most other players in the NHL?

    It’s sad that 20 goal scorers now are worth $5.5 million, “easily!”

  35. We’re going to sign Campbell, and we’re going to suck again. That, or Blozsival is back and we suck again.

  36. Rmant, do you mean playing top defensive minutes or actually being the Rangers “top defensman?”

    I did read your next post, except it was dumb because you basically said “Let’s do this, that, this, and then that…OR, Let’s not do any of those things.”

  37. I am not sure whos authority it was to say that simply because you singed a big long contract that it is your team. Jagr signed a big long contract and it was still his team and he was still under that big long contract prior to Drury and Gomez signing. I’m not sure an interview has anything to do with this. The point is that 18 players make up a team and there is a place for all three of them.

  38. Thank you Pavel!! I hope I wasn’t the only guy to realize Rozsival sucked just as much, if not MORE than Backman and Malik, simply because he played so many minutes! Awful. We really don’t need him back.

  39. And NO, teams do not build just to give ice time tio young unproven talent. That’s what Hartford is for and injury call ups and the end of a miserable season when you are eliminated from the playoffs.
    …………

    This is why some people just don’t get it. Sometimes it’s better to take a step-back and rebuild! You can’t keep your foot on the peddle EVERY YEAR without pulling over to refuel the tank every once in awhile!

    So I guess Tom Renney was never the coach of “player development” either then?

    Good organizations actually work on bring their young players up, sir. They don’t just plug them in when there’s an injury or when the playoff hopes fade…YOU’VE BEEN WATCHING THE RANGERS FOR TOO DAMN LONG!!! (watch some other teams like Detroit)

  40. The point is that 18 players make up a team and there is a place for all three of them.

    Not really. Those two players seemed to have limited production as a result of Jagr running the show.

    “Jagr signed a big long contract and it was still his team and he was still under that big long contract prior to Drury and Gomez signing.”

    I’m not sure of the details, but didn’t Jagr get traded to NY for a couple of relative scrubs because he was being a mope in WSH? Didn’t they also eat half the contract JUST to get rid of him? Jagr never “signed” any contract with NY. Not even sure what youre getting at.But, if you’re implying we didn’t bring Gomez/Drury here to prep for the post-Jagr era… you are way off.

    I smell another Jagr fanboy.

  41. I like Rozy but he’s not a real top pair guy. (At least he didn’t play like one this year) You can’t pay him $5M, he may very well be worth that much or more to another team, but not to us….we need a different style of top guy to pair with Staal. We need a real vet to take him under his wing.

  42. If this team misses the playoffs next year b/c of some grandiose “long-term” building, we’re headed into Chicago Blackhawk or early 2000’s territory.

    You don’t sign Gomez and Drury and then clean house and rebuild.

    If that was the idea, then we should never have signed either of them. We should have cleaned house two years ago after losing to Buffalo.

    This team is not far off from being a contender — to let all the key parts of our team go and not replace them with quality proven players is a huge mistake a a major set back.

    We won’t just miss the playoffs for one year and then be back in the hunt. We’ll miss the playoffs for a handful.

  43. I used to be against giving Avery the amount he’s asking for, but given the contract that Tampa just gave Malone, I’d say that Avery’s asking price (compared to Malone’s) is a fair one, and I guarentee that if the Rangers don’t see it this way, some other team will and will jump on the chance to sign him. let’s just hope it’s someone in the western conference, and not a divisional rival. with the way the schedule is set up, i’d really hate to have to play against him so many times during the course of a season. he seems like the type that would play extra “avery-ish” against the rangers.

  44. “We need a real vet to take him under his wing.”

    I agree. I just looked at the FA list of D avail tomorrow that may fit the bill. The best choice is…Redden. Next to that, there’s Tarnstrom, the upside there is that he’s a swede. Sh!t, it works in Det right? There’s always Rachunek!

  45. Jeff – I think what you may have missed about the contract though is that it’s a 7-year deal. Obvisouly the $ amount will be less over that span. If Avery signs somewhere for 7 years, then…I don’t know what I’ll do, but I’ll work on it while I’m recovering in the hospital from a heart attack.

  46. Beer Me – good point, i forgot that malone’s contract was for 7 years. but even still, i believe that there are teams out there willing to give sean what he wants (4mil/year) and i just hope its someone in the western conference.

  47. NYR fan in DC on

    Jagr’s had his time to shine on Broadway. He is a one dimentional player. Come on, how much more can the fans endure? If Jags isn’t happy, he doesn’t play. I have seen it here in Washington and I believe the only reason why he performed so well during the playoffs was so that he could demand a large contract. It’s time to let him go and move on with the future of this franchise.

  48. When Cameron was in Egypt’s land….. let my Jagr go.

    Sorry Jags… its been fun and thanks for the memories – but c ya!

  49. “Jagr’s had his time to shine on Broadway. He is a one dimentional player.”

    There are more 1-dimensional players in the league than 2-dimensional. Home run hitters don’t sit the bench because they are below average in the field.

    That’s why you sign guys like Drury, to compensate for the guys who score goals. A goal scorer who plays impecable defense is unique.

    Don’t knock Jags for being “1-dimensional”. He’s a 1-dimensional first ballot HOF’er.

    Not to mention. Just b/c you don’t make plays in the defensive end, doesn’t mean you’re not helping the defense by controlling the puck in the offensize zone, which no one in the game does better than Jags.

  50. who the F**K is Matt Zaba? … is he a new Zamboni guy? is he a new focal point of NYR? wonder if he makes more than me?!?

  51. ESPN also covers more women’s college soft ball than they do hockey. They’re repsonding to a 4 day old article from a canadian paper. One that I think I posted here last week. ESPN sux.

  52. “True blue, I am not saying we should sign Jagr to a multi year deal. If you let Shanny go and give Jagr one year with incentives applied next year you have a chance to make a run this year while not at all sacrificing the future or the cap. Teams don’t make roster decisions based on giving “ice time” to younger players, not to mention that there are no younger players that would earn Jagr’s first line minutes. We don’t even have a first line (Callahan-Gomez-Dawes??). And Rozy is a must unless another top d-man is signed. You can’t compete without a number 1 d-man. And they have an obligation to compete.”

    Do you read the articles? Jagr and his agent (really just his agent) said he wants a multi year deal. Also you must be smoking something great if you think Rosi is a number 1 d-man. Hes not. I’ll give him a number 3 d-man at best.

  53. I for one am not going to bite nails and grind teeth about a team that finished 25th in scoring letting 5 of the 12 forwards walk and bringing in another 5 to try and finish 24th…….

    Don’t get it wrong…I love Avery and Shanny and Straks and evEn like Jags very much but c’mon man!!

  54. I’m uneasy about the next few days…I see Sather overpaying for Campbell/Orpik And Hossa…

    _________________________________________________________

    I’d rather have 3 overpaid guys under 30 than one overpaid guy pushing 40…

  55. Blue404Seats on

    Everyone is looking for the team to “get younger” and do that by getting rid of Jagr. The Rangers are one of the youngest teams in the NHL, what more could you want – a Hartford Wolfpack lineup of 18-21 year olds? Getting rid of one of the most raw talented players like Jagr sounds like a great idea, there are so many guys out there to replace him (sarcasm).

  56. I don’t think Slats is going to land Campbell. I’d say there’s a good chance at Redden. Orpik will be overpaid if he signs with NYR, can’t say the same elsewhere. Haven’t really seen too many rumors about anyone else being as interested.

  57. It at least seems clear now what the plan is…

    either a) we’ll see Jagr back AND Sundin will be his center

    or b) We’ll see Hossa on Gomer’s wing.

    But either way it really looks like the 4M that Avery wants is going somewhere else.

  58. Blue404Seats on

    As far as Hossa…. he is an excellent scorer, hes got a great shot and is a top player, but he still isnt in the same breath of a Jagr, Crosby, Ovechkin, Iginla, Lecavlier etc. He cannot single handedly carry a team on his back and dominate. I agree he would be an excellent compliment to someone like Gomez however, for the absurd prices hes looking for, it isnt worth it and we cant afford it.

  59. All of you who want Jagr to resign, how many years and for how much is he worth signing?

    This large fan-base has seem to come out of the woodwork, and I wonder if you all just want another year of mediocrity with a player who really isn’t that excited about playing here anymore – – or if you all actually believe the Rangers can build a cup team around Jagr this year or in the foreseeable future?

  60. Kaspar-you are right on.

    Riche’-I have the same feeling.

    If I had a choice of Sundin/Jagr for 1 yr or big bucks for Hossa, I’d take the shot with Sundin/Jagr.

    Like my buddy always says, I root for the jersey. No matter who is here next year, I’ll be in the blues with my beer, cheering them on.

  61. Beer Me! June 30th, 2008 at 11:54 am

    I don’t think Slats is going to land Campbell. I’d say there’s a good chance at Redden. Orpik will be overpaid if he signs with NYR, can’t say the same elsewhere. Haven’t really seen too many rumors about anyone else being as interested.

    Beer,
    I’m praying they don’t land Campbell…instead I’m hoping that we get a guy like Orpik and then Sanguinetti makes the team next year

    As far as Hossa, I’d rather not but…Gomez needs someone and as far as I can see I don’t see much out there…unless they make a trade…which I’m opposed to giving up most of the guys down in Hartford. Too many times we have traded away youth to bring in that “special” player only to watch him fail…and the youth that was traded became something worth keeping…

  62. Still lots of time left this summer. But my early impression is that Bobby S. isn’t ready yet.

    Speaking of prospects…I just watched the vids of Grachev & Kveton. No wonder Stamkos ROCKED Kveton(still haven’t found that one), he skates, shoots, passes with his head down. Won’t take long to end this guys career. Grachev had a similar problem with it, but not nearly as bad, and you’d really have to line him up anyway, cause you sure as hell won’t catch him. Pretty impressed with Grachev.

  63. Rmant….you think Dubi and Cally are not two players that can help this team get towards a Cup in the next few years? I think you are flatout wrong. Dawes and Sjostrom, you might be right about. Not sure yet.

    On this interview, if it is the same thing I read, Jagr said something to the effect of, “Whoever gets paid the most on the team, leads the team. It means a lot. It is important in the hierarchy, even if by $1″ I am paraphrasing, but that was the stuff I read about Jagr over the weekend. For a guy who doesn’t care about money (and cares more about winning and a good environment, etc), it sure sounds like he cares about money.

    In that case, Jags I think you have been a decent captain, better than I expected mostly. However, don’t let the door hit you in that big ass of yours. We just don’t need to show you much loyalty or $ to be the #1 guy on our team due to your jovial attitude but one that masks your priority to be the center of attention and the leader without leading by example. Sorry. Thanks for getting us back to respectable, but we need to get to the next level now.

    Let’s turn the page and get fresh faces. We need to get less Euro and more North American (and Swedish, see the Red Wings). Axe Rozy, Malik, Shanny (unless he willing to play 4th line and PK), Jagr, Straka (like your 2 way play, but just not physical enough), and even Prucha (maybe decent trade bait given his youth.) We need to rebuild around Gomer, Drury, Dubi, Cally, Staal, Tyutin (maybe), and Lundqvist.

    Need a monster D, a puck moving D, and a power forward or two this offseason. In that order…..

    Excited for tomorrow…hope Sather is not a dumbf**k.

  64. SOMETIMES THERE IS THE ADDITION BY SUBTRACTION FACTOR AS WELL…JAGS PLAYS BIG MINUTES, HOGS THE PP, PEOPLE ALWAYS DEFER TO HIM ( COACHES AND PLAYERS ALIKE)I KNOW HOW GREAT HE “CAN” BE BUT ALL THAT SAID ABOVE….HE’S PLAYING HALF-SPEED MOST OF YEAR….I CAN SEE ALL SORTS OF DYNAMIC RESPONSES TO HIM NOT BEING THERE…ALL KINDS OF GROWTH…IT IS TIME TO LET GO

  65. If I’m Sean Avery, I look at that Malone contract and say “Sh*t, if I played with Crosby and on the powerplay, I’d have close to 30 goals too”.

    I thought for sure that Malone would be overpaid. While the $ amount isn’t out of the realm of reality, I’m surprised at the length on that contract. Seven years is a long time for a “physical” player, exactly the kind of issue that gets brought up with Avery.

    With all the moving pieces in Tampa, I bet it takes a while for that team to gel and be successful.

  66. Don’t use quotes from European players and hold it against them. It’s not the same as a quote from an American. What they say, is sometimes not always what they mean. They don’t have a full grasp of the language, which is why they are often misunderstood.

    Jagr or not, we are not a team that needs full body plastic surgery — just a light facelift. Hell, we have a very good team! At the end of the day, we were one of the top 8 teams left at the end, no matter how you slice it.

    To completely rebuild for unproven prospects that none of us have ever watched (unless you spend your nights in Canada watching OHL games or live next to the Civic Center) is crazy talk.

    Half of our prospects won’t pan out. It’s a pure numbers game. They just don’t. Maybe there’s a diamond in the rough there, a la Dubi, but we don’t know.

  67. Two non-NYR issues

    1)Tampa…didnt they lock themselves up with long term deals that saw them go from champs to chumps like 3 years ago??? Whats up with these long term deals…AGAIN??

    2)Can you imagine what the Major League babseball players Assoc would be doing if a baseball owner tried to screw over a signed-no trade clause player the way the leafs are doing to overpaid McCabe????

  68. Again with Jags’ remarks, and I have to agree with Beer and TrueFan, SAther gives him a big NO THANK YOU, THANKS FOR BEING OUR CAPTAIN and Says BYE BYE

    The team CAN NOT be built around him this year, its impossible, so have fun on another team or in Russia.

    Reasons he wont be back:
    There will be no Czech squad for him
    There will be no ohter center for him other than Dubi and I hope we dont sign another one
    There will be no PP revolving around him
    There will be no two year deal with him being the highest paid
    THere will be no Straka, Malik, Rosi, etc.
    There will be no JAgr

    I didnt want to see this, but he’s already made his choice, so let Drury and Gomer lead, Shanny if we can have him on the cheap (which Sather will Probably do anyway) trade or pay for some nice Puck moving D men, get a winger for Gomer, let some HArtford guys fight for spots in camp, and sign our RFA/UFA worth Keeping (Valli, Shoey, Mara, Dawes,etc)

    C”MON SATHER DO SOMETHING SO WE CAN STOP SPECUALTING

    And Matt Zamba is NOT news!!

  69. Jagr, Crosby, Ovechkin, Iginla, Lecavlier

    …..

    dude you are DELUSIONAL to couple Jagr in with those players in 2008-2009

    +DELUSIONAL+

    Also someone was saying we want to lose Jagr to “get younger”…that is SO FAR off base it’s not even funny. I don’t care hpw old Jagr is, what I do care about is that he played carelessly for 80% of the season, all while demanding control…. that should not be tolerated or rewarded with a contract.

    Some of you seriously disgust me, should be ashamed to cheer Jagr on and want him a part of your club. The man has truly disgraced the sweater last season. If you want o Captain a team and dictate the way your club plays when they yake the ice, you better damn fucking well play your heart out every night and represent your team and the style you’ve commanded with integrity.

    But all some of you see is a name and a number and the jersey in your closet. Jagr is a gift AND a curse and the gift aspect is wearing off. Jagr “might” have the ability to be amazing at any given moment, but at what cost? Everyone else is pulling in a different direction. Jagr is costing this team more than many of you casual fans realize. Can’t wait to see him gone.

  70. Kaspar,

    re Tampa, I was thinking the same thing, didn’t they have to dump Richards and Boyle because of their salary cap foolishness…

  71. A buddy of mine is trying to tell me that Avery’s looking for 4yrs/16mil. Anyone else hear that?

    That’s completely laughable.

  72. Satly balls, I don’t think many of the fans who check this blog in the off season are “casual fans”. You’re a straight up Jagr-hater; so, you’re more biased than anyone else. If there’s anyone who’s dillusional, it’s you. You’re so caught up in hating him that you won’t allow yourself to look at the other side.

    Don’t take this personal as I find many of your posts entertaining, but us fans, who are not casual, are by no means a disgrace for voicing our opinion that differs from yours.

  73. Blue404Seats on

    Salty Signings… id wear a bag over your head to the next game you attend (if that is a ranger game, considering you’re such a hater)

  74. Blue404Seats on

    Im neither in favor of Jagr staying or leaving… Im disgusted with the lack of respect he gets…. I would not have a problem with him leaving and us finding a new replacement. Who is going to replace Jagr as Captain? Drury or Gomez… fine. Who is going to replace the scoring threat? Gomez and Dru can not do that. Despite an a season full of underachievement, Jagr was still a scoring threat. Teams built their gameplans around stopping him. Who will we have that is dangerous offensively? Im all ears!

  75. Brandon,

    I happen to like Jagr, and enjoy his play, comments, storylines, drama… with that said, it is just so glaringly obvious that he does not fit in on this team at all. It’s like theres Jagr and his way and maybe a couple of his minions…and then the rest of the team and a coach going in a COMPLETELY different direction. It’s wrong on so many levels. If there was ever a lesson to be learned from being a Ranger fan, it is that you cannot just throw a bunch of stars together on a team and expect everything to work. However, this is what people continue to want. Mediocre teams featuring lots of excitng marquee names.

    “Just make the playoffs then anything can happen”

    Right? lol

    So I mean, you can call me a “Jagr-hater”, the truth is I just hate the way he has compromised the TEAM, and that is not really even a secret at this point. Everyone in hockey recognizes the conflict of Jagr on this team any longer. HOW FAR OVER BACKWARD is the rest of the team expected to bend for 37 year old lowest point total ever Jagr going into 2009? Unbelievable that this is being entertained. I’m sorry, but if “you” dont recognize the MAJOR conflict with Jagr at this point I would have to consider “you” a casual fan.

    Also, lets call a spade a spade here and recognize that you have admitted to having a “Jagr Crush” before… I’m sure that accounts for reasons you’d like to see him stick around as well. Jagr had a big chance this year. I don’t consider him welcome in NY, and I think he knows Glen is ready to let him walk… that is not going to equate to a happy/productive Jagr…in any capacity. As far as I can comprehend Jagr considers the bridge burned already.

  76. Agravaine

    I think they kep Boyle but wanted to dump him…have to double-check but they let the goalie go after winning the cup…..couldn’t add anyone for two years ( may have been their own budget-cap more than hi-celing NHL cap) and got worse and worse until hitting bottom last year and now …BOOM!! Vinny gets a 127 year contract Malone gets 7, if they still have Boyle he’s on for another few years, Stamkos is coming, St Louis is still there ….

    Maybe Larry Brooks is right….people are giving out long term deals because they Know that in a few years there will be another lockout followed by more adjustments and cut-backs and buyouts…..Hmmmmmmmmm

  77. I heard Avery is asking multi year and that he is asking a milion more then the Rangers are offering, but I have not found credible numbers for anything…

    but 4 mil for 4 years sounds like earlier reports of 4-5 for 5 years…

    might be right… but Satehr already announced any team can talk with him, even though it isn’t the deadline yet… so I guess it doesn’t matter.

  78. Brandon, I’ve agreed with you on several posts in the pasts but I dont think you are right about this one and I dont think you need to start bashing people for having a difference in opinion.

    The Rangers aren’t 1 or 2 players away from a cup – they’re 8 players away from it. Jagr’s attitude this past season was awful, for whatever reason. He pretended he worked hard for 60 games and then told us the truth at the end – he half-assed it. Is Jagr really that old that he needs to save gas for the end of the season? If so, then let him go. I don’t think so, I just think Jagr needs a change of scenery as he did leaving Pitts and Washington.

    Nobody denies that he’s an extremely talented player – but do you want a question-mark showing up every night to “lead” (and i use the term loosely) your team, for one or 2 seasons? OR, do you want to start building the future of this franchise and let the Gomez’s and Drury’s start doing it for themselves?
    …………
    I found this online:
    The Rangers won’t be competitive if they sign Jagr to a multi-year deal for the $7,357,144 minimum – one dollar more than Gomez’s average – he would require.

    Jagr needn’t worry about Drury resenting a shift to Gomez’s wing. Indeed, Drury and Gomez have talked about it, and are excited about the opportunity to work together. This won’t be an issue.

    I’ve been one of the Drury critiques but, you know what, I give this guy a HELL of a lot of credit for being able to do what is necessary to win. He’s a team player – take a lesson JJ.

  79. Salty’s post pretty much sums up 99% of the view that the folks that don’t want jagr back see. Time to move on.

  80. Kaspar,

    you may be right about them keeping Boyle, but I do know they were saying (like the Pen’s) that with the cap they needed to dump some folks becuase they couldn’t afford to sign anyone new.. and then yea these crazy contracts. I don’t know, I really don’t want another lockout!!!!!!!!!!! I hope the owners aren’t signing and planning for one… thats bullcrud!

  81. NY – NY Rangers GM Glen Sather announced today that the team has come to preliminary terms with the team’s captain, Jaromir Jagr. While the terms are undisclosed, it’s believed that it’s a 3-year deal.

    HAHA… jk

  82. I would like the JJ era to end not necessarily because he had a down year and is aging but because he still wants to be the center of attention and still wants to be the highest player on the team…

  83. Personally I think any and all talk of Sundin, Jagr, Shanny, Hossa takes a backseat to what this team really needs and that is defensemen who can actually play defense and move the puck. Renney’s system this year of “five in the picture” developed because it quickly became clear that the ineptitude on defense could only be compensated for by all 5 forwards spending a great deal of time in the defensive zone, hence our complete lack of offensive production. We really have no idea how much better a top 6 of Gomez, Drury, Dubinsky, Prucha, Callahan and Dawes could be than what we saw all of last year if you were to have guys like Campbell, Redden, Streit, etc back there firing good outlet passes and efficiently qurterbacking both the PP and offense from the point.

    Frankly I wouldn’t mind them signing some real solid defenders and leave the forward corps as is with maybe the addition of some size via a trade, no Avery, no Jagr, no Straka, no Shanny – just a team-wide committment to a system, any system, a long as it’s what suits our players the best.

  84. Blue404Seats on

    All things aside, whether you love, hate, or are impartial to Jagr, he will most likely be around next year unless another big name becomes available. Face it, we are in New York, the biggest market in America, and the Rangers have always had a big name on the team. Jagr is the most marketable player on the team, Dolan would love to see him stay.

    If Jags does remain, lets hope he will have an MVP season? A-Rod did it after a mediocre year full of strike-outs and boos in 2006.

  85. 404
    “If Jags does remain, lets hope he will have an MVP season? A-Rod did it after a mediocre year full of strike-outs and boos in 2006.”

    No way he has an MVP season…
    with an effort like last season…we’d be lucky to get the same totals as this past season…

  86. “Jagr is the most marketable player on the team”

    ehhhhh….maybe we just need a new marketing dept then. Why market a guy on his way out the door? how about the guy you paid $10mil to or the goalie you locked up for years?

    That’s the shittiest reason I’ve ever heard to keep a player.

  87. Exactly Beer, Salty & true
    JAgr is a man who NEEDs to be the center of attention, and he just aint gonna get that this coming year.
    Say by bye, work on the DEFENSE, and get Gomer a wing

    I love that Drury and Gomer realize that this is going to be “there” team and are already acting like it. Talkng about playing together, you’ve got to love it.

    COME ON GLEN, WHERES THE F*&KING NEWS????

  88. Oh god…Blue404s

    A-rod batted .290 with 35HR and 121RBI’s the year he got boo’d. To compare that season (and the DUMB fans of New York baseball) to Jagr is a completely un-informed assessment. Compartively, Jagr hasn’t had those kind of numbers in 3 years. You’re also comparing arguably the best baseball player of the past 30 years (or MORE) to a guy who picks and chooses the games and seasons he wants to show-up.

    I’m pretty sure Jagr’s walking tomorrow – albeit back to Omsk or another NHL team – he’ll be walking out of NY.

  89. That’s the shittiest reason I’ve ever heard to keep a player.
    ………

    I agree, although I do think he’s got a valid point. That marketability aspect is Jagr’s biggest selling point to stay right now… I just Pray Glen & DOLAN are wise enough to choke up on the marquee pride for a season…

    Gomez
    Drury
    Lundqvist
    Shanny (he’ll sign, unfortunately)

    throw in Staal & Dubi sensations…

    That’s enough, isn’t it? Please say so…

    I also won’t cry if we break the bank on Hossa, although I don’t see it happeneing. (Not this season at least!)

    Part of me would like to see Sundin brought in for Jagr and Jagr not click with yet another “#1 star centerman”… who was asking me about integrity? LOL! bookmark this thread dudes… Jagr would have NO EXCUSE

  90. (Not this season at least!)
    ……..
    I meant I wouldn’t cry this season but likely down the road when the cap hit killed us … not that we’ll sign him another season

  91. I wish we knew WHO slats was waiting on. Is it Sundin? Since his camp was denied the request to talk to the Rangers? Campbell has already talked with NY. I also saw that Mr Campbell is on his way to Ott to be in his lawyers office tomorrow during the frenzy. Ott just so happens to be looking for his services too.

    Is it Redden? Is it to see what Avery’s offers are(letting the market decide his value)?

  92. How marketable a player is may not be a reason for a coach or GM to keep a player, but it is a business, so owners and front office folk get their two cents and you’d be suprised how much weight someone in the sales office has on who we keep and who goes. Ive worked behind the scenes and I know from experience. Crazier things have happened in professional sports. We just choose to look past this b/c we are passionate fans.

    Cheers to Salty for remembering my Jagr crush post from 2 months ago. That’s a hell of a memory. You did catch me on that. I do have a bit of a man crush on jags (no homo).

    Truth be told, there is no player that I enjoy watching more every time he steps on the ice for a shift then Jagr. He does things with the puck, uses his body and makes passes like no other player I’ve seen in person, ever pushing 40.

    I’m not saying we need to keep him to survive, but we need a player of his calbier to sustain. 70 pts may not be a lot, but he did lead the team. We can’t plug a 40 pt. guy in there and hope the rest of the team carries their weight.

    I’m not sold on Hossa, I think Campbell is overrated b/c of the market and lack of available D-men and I don’t see anyone else I would want.

    I’m a win now kind of guy. Can’t look 3 years down the road — it’s too depressing for me. To me, you try to win the Cup every year with whatever team you have. It’s the ulimate goal. Rebuilding is a notion, not a means. Look at all the teams that have “rebuilt” for 10+ years. It’s not a proven process.

    Also, I welcome all and any differing opinions. I made that post before b/c it seemed some ppl were unwelcoming of those who were in support of Jagr staying.

    I’m open minded and enjoy reading other opinions, which is why I come on here.

  93. Look at all the teams that have “rebuilt” for 10+ years. It’s not a proven process.
    ………..
    Maybe you missed the 10 years the Rangers “gunned for it” and did nothing as well?

    Comparing the Blackhawks and Rangers isn’t fair – The Hawks never legitimately rebuilt. They acquired a couple stars and kept their fans entertained (Khabiboulin, Havlat).

    If you want to get over your Jagr man-crush, turn on the Capitals. They have the most exciting player in the NHL.

  94. “…turn on the Capitals. They have the most exciting player in the NHL.”

    INDEED

  95. I would be VERY interested to see Jags and Sundin play together. Maybe MTL or TOR can sign both. LOL

  96. I’m not sold on Hossa, I think Campbell is overrated b/c of the market and lack of available D-men and I don’t see anyone else I would want.

    Orpik…anyone. I’d take him over Campbell…and I just don’t think Campbell is that great of a player to deserve even close to the 8+mil he wants

  97. I believe the market is going to determine the Ranger’s moves. If Avery gets offered his $16million, then buh-bye! If Rozsival gets a $5million, then good riddance! If Hossa and Campbell get offered $8million per year – let them go! The both of them are just not that good.

    I would rather save some cap money and take a chance at getting Malkin (there is discontent in the Pittsburgh camp with him) or Kovalchuk when he hits the UFA market than wasting another $7-8million on “the best that was available at the time.”

  98. Mike from CT on

    Orpik should be a priority. Maybe sanguinetti can make the jump to help pick up some offense from the blue line but I don’t think campbell and his 7-8 mil price tag are worth it.

    What are everyones thoughts on a 2nd tier type of winger to play with gomez or drury. Someone like heselius or i hate to say it, satan, who can possibly net 20-25 goals a year. Obviously satan would be a short term contract, preferrable 1 year.

  99. I’m actually semi-into Sundin b/c he’s such a big power forward and the league is only getting smaller. It would have to be a incentive based small contact though. I don’t think he’s worth big money at this point in his career.

    Is Sanguinetti really that far off?

    Apparently he’s lighting the lamp but still lacks some muscle. I dont know, the league isn’t as physical anymore… I say bring him up and let him play side by side with a big body to protect the front of the net.

  100. Blue404Seats on

    Thanks Salty and Brandon for agreeing that marketability plays a large role in whether a player is kept or tossed. When I said Jagr will most likely not be dumped because hes very marketable, i did not mean that is the reason why “I” want him back. I do not receive commission every time a #68 jersey is sold – sorry i wish i did.

    As far as my opinion is concerned, i root for the jersey not the player behind it. Sure everyone has favorite players, and i do find Jagr very entertaining to watch (also no homo). But if he is gone for the better of the team i would not shed a tear.

    PS. For those who are quick to judge and think im a newbie on this site, my old name was “TrueBlue” but since that may get confused with TrueFansBleedRWB i have changed it.

  101. If Hossa leaves Pitt, then Malkins extension will be done in January.

    FA’s are at a premium tomorrow. Top-dollar lands the ‘best available’. I think the “tier-2 FA’s” are what we should focus on. I looked a little closer at our cap and positions where we have holes, and we’re pretty much screwed. With 4 dmen under contract, should we go out and pay campbell, then get used to seeing Struds play as a regular. Redden may be the better choice, or even lower to just Orpik and try to convince rozy to come back for $4m or less.

    Then up front with no straka, avery, jagr, shanny, you have four MORE holes to fill. If we go out and get hossa or sundin, then you’re filling the other 3 positions with byers, moore, ??, and you’re screwed. We’re sitting on what, like $15-17mil in space? That’s not much.

  102. I like Jags but I think we should move over it. Jagr era ends here. I’d like to see a TEAM, not STARS on the Broadway ice. What a pity Slats didn’t trade JJ for picks last February.
    Anyway, what are we gettin now Sather??? Come on!

  103. It’s like $25.6million space Beer and it’s really tight.

    The Rangers, technically, only have to sign 1 defensman if they use both Backman and Pock. I don’t think this is the wisest move but if they give the farm away (no, not the wolfpack, i mean the checkbook) then that’s what we’ll see.

    As far as forwards, we’re really screwed because Jagr, although moody and lacking in the effort department, was putting up 70+ points on a $4.7million cap hit.

    The other thing many people haven’t considered is that with the market absolutely sucking right now, we may see the cap stagnate at $56million or even go down because revenues decrease this year – that would be a catastrophe for ALL the teams who have pre-existing HEAVY contracts signed.

  104. If it’s that high, then I retract my post and slats can make it work. Its not that bad. As long as you’re not paying a guy $4mil for 30pts, no matter who he calls ‘fat’, and not paying a guy $7mil to ‘play his best’ for the last 30 games, you should be fine.

  105. hockeymanrangers # 2 on

    What the heck is going on? I really expected some series action today. I am at work and am keeping the Wieman blog up and keep refreshing, and for what for the 10:30 update that Zaba was signed. I know it’s not Sam’s fault, but what the heck man? Why is Sather waiting for the minute???
    Nervous in P.A.

  106. Obviously satan would be a short term contract, preferrable 1 year.
    …..

    I’ve always wanted this guy… Always seemed so slippery on other teams….such a serpent…although I’m positive he’d end up a whipping boy.

    Brandon I remembered your Jagr Crush because you were one of the few who are man enough to just admit it. Not to mention some solid, well thought out contributions to the blog before IMO and we have had some exchanges. So, no I of course will not ever let you live that down…homo or not. Just like I hope no one will let me live it down when Drury nets 55g in 08-09.

    I’ll be honest guys… I don’t think we’ve got much on our radar at all as far as Free Agents tomorrow. I do think we’ll see Shanny signed in a couple of days though… and I hope he doesn’t make us regret it.

  107. Please, no Satan and no Shanny. I don’t want to see any ex-islander in my team. Shanny should retire. I NEED SOME ACTION!

  108. The Maven had some interesting notes. One being Jay Pandolfo up in the air to resign with the only team he’s ever played for. Saying that “best bud” Gomer could sway his decision, and the potential to reunite. Oh boy, then Gionta is a FA next year……sign them?

    That’s ANOTHER Traveshamockery!!

  109. I like Satan too, he had an off year this year but he was battling some injuries (if you watched him he you can tell he was wearing a brace of some sort, he kept his back straight ans wasn’t loose in his skating)

    ANyway I’ve liked him, but I am worried about what was nagging him this season..

  110. Thanks Salty, appreciate it.

    I have to agree, as much as I love the idea of Shanny (his locker room leadership, hustle, voice of the team) he looked like half the player last year as he was in 05-06. At his age, you don’t just hit the weights hard in the off season and come back better than ever.

    I think he’s lost a step or two. Both with his skating and with his shot. He missed tens of shots this year that he made the past year consistently.

    I’m a Shanny fan, but don’t see how he fits on this team in anything other than a role player/spot 3rd line/4th line capacity.

  111. I don’t know what Satan’s career points are, but I would bet that over 75% of them came against the Rangers. He always seems to torch us. If he’s on the Rangers, who’s he going to rack up all his points against? Ha.

  112. Beer, you should probably forward that article to Slats as I’m sure he has no clue how the salary cap works. It’s hard to figure those things out when you’re deep sea fishing off the coast of PEI all summer.

  113. I can’t tell if that’s a joke or not. Cause it’s not entirely true if it’s not. It would be hard to believe that the NHLPA wouldn’t be happy with the increases it’s seen.

  114. Are we so desperate already we’re talking about signing Satan or this stupid-face Gionta??? Give me a break.

  115. If Tampa Bay wasn’t a Mickey Mouse operation after hiring Barry Melrose already it looks like after giving Boyle a monster contract they might trade him mere months later. Ridiculous to say the least. Liles was overpaid by at least a million and a half imo. Malone’s contract is insane. One good year and he got that?! wow.

  116. Dude as early as last week I actually thought we could give Avery a bonus-laden contract… I know nothing about that stuff, and that is QUITE an interesting story to drop on 6/30/08.

  117. I rather give a good pp qb like Streit 3 or 4 more over giving a guy like Rozsival 5 mill. Rozsival is the world worst pp qb and he strugggled horribly in his own end this past season. I wonder where Malik ends up lol.

  118. Best two Hockey(outside of this one obviously) sites to visit are Kukla’s Korner and Spector’s trade rumors site.

  119. Yeah, the headlines read “Tamps wins the Ryan Mnalone sweepstakes.” Sorry, I wasn’t aware he was such a hot commodity that signing him was like hitting the lottery. What a joke.

  120. The Flyers might buy out Denis Gauthier. If so I would take a flier out on him. The Rangers could use snarl on the back end (and I don’t think Orpik is coming)

  121. Lotta good points being made for both sides of arguements in here today… that alone should tell you what kind of trouble this team’s in.

    – Can’t replace Jagr
    – At same time the team needs to move on
    – Get band-aid to help Jagr (Sundin)
    – Team should get younger
    – Get scoring winger for Gomez
    – Help for the defense will help to free up forwards
    – Defense needs to be bigger/tougher
    – Get offense defenseman to help the PP and forwards
    – Avery asking too much
    – Avery asking for comprable price given the market

    On and on. All very valid points.

    Most bi-polar team ever. Too many probelms to even think about solving them all.

  122. gauthier and hollweg on the same team? I’d probably buy a bruins jersey.

    Just a thought here: TOR is looking to unload McCabe. Assuming he’d waive his no trade clause, the deal would be a salary dump for TOR, which usually result in a lopsided trade. We’re all familiar with the way it works, right? So what if the deal was Tyutin for McCabe? Some of us feel that we’ve seen just about the best that toots can offer, no? He’s VERY inconsistent. Sure, McCabe has been too, but toots hasn’t had the seasons that McCabe has. And I think in McCabe’s case, it’s a scenery senario opposed to a ‘this is him’ senario in toots’ case.

    just thinkin out loud here.

  123. Doodie Machetto on

    “If you want o Captain a team and dictate the way your club plays when they yake the ice, you better damn fucking well play your heart out every night and represent your team and the style you’ve commanded with integrity.”

    Salty, I have to disagree with you here. Yes, the PP deferred to him, but blame Pearn for not changing it. But at ES, they played Renney’s boring defensive system, Jagr included. He played the same defensive system as everyone else, occassionally questioning it, but still playing it. Looked to me as if he swallowed his pride pretty hard on that.

    Also, we all saw that he could have easily turned it on during the regular season and broken his contract option point threshhold (84 points, right?). Instead, he saved himself for the playoffs.

    Blame the team for relying so hard on him when he didnt have it, don’t blame him for not having it.

  124. Blue404Seats on

    I like McCabe, solid PP quaterback, however keep in mind he did have Kaberle with him who is also a good PP defensement… would i trade toots? prolly

  125. Visnovsky to the Oilers. Looks like Pitkanen is headed out of town. We can hope not here. He makes Ozolinsh look competant in his own end. Olesz coming off a injury plagued 14 goal year get 3 mill over 6 years. To say Jacque Martin has done a wretched job would be a compliment. The Jokinen trade was highway robbery by Don Maloney.

  126. Mccabe is putrid and mistake prone in his own end and has a insane contract no thanks. He also is no spring chicken.

  127. Beer – I’d take McCabe, but not for Tyutin. More like Backman and an AHL guy. If it’s Tyutin then either Sanguetti is ready or Potter is ready, someone who can fill Toot’s spot.

    I sure like Tyutin, McCabe, Staal, Girardi, Struds, Commodore/Hainsey

    More than…

    McCabe, Backman, Girardi, Staal, Struds, Commodore/Hainsey

  128. Would it be ironic if the Rangers signed Mike Mottau as UFA after letting him go? And probably paying him less per year than what they would have payed if they had signed him earlier in his career?

  129. ” have to disagree with you here. Yes, the PP deferred to him, but blame Pearn for not changing it.”
    …………
    Last guy who disagreed with Jagr caught the next flight to Boston (A.Ward). You don’t think the entire PP passed to Jagr because HE WANTED THE PUCK?! Didn’t Renney have a whole big thing about crashing the net, shooting more, and getting rebounds? I’m pretty sure. Jagr never changed his style.

    “But at ES, they played Renney’s boring defensive system, Jagr included. He played the same defensive system as everyone else, occassionally questioning it, but still playing it. Looked to me as if he swallowed his pride pretty hard on that.”
    …………
    Do you not realize why that’s the reason Jagr loves playing with Straka? He’s already credited Straka for covering up for his lax defensive coverage. I’m not sure JJ was as chivalrous and the great team-player you’re trying to say he was.

    “Also, we all saw that he could have easily turned it on during the regular season and broken his contract option point threshhold (84 points, right?). Instead, he saved himself for the playoffs.”
    ………….
    So why didn’t he?!

    Is Jagr that fragile and OUT OF SHAPE that he can only have 85 points OR play well in the playoffs? IF so, hit the gym and drop that 13% body fat!! He’s 36, other players have done more at that age. I simply hate this argument. You all want to credit him for being smart, when what he did was selfish, showed poor character as the captain and leader, and handicapped the team. Worse still, I think he may have purposely avoided breaking the 84 points to end his contract and get more money – certainly plausible.

  130. Salty whatever your name is… you need a life. just from reading your posts, it sounds to me that YOU are obsessed with Jagr. ITS ALL YOU WRITE ABOUT. if your so anti signing him, then why do you wake up dreaming about him in your sleep??
    and whats your problem with ranger fans being grateful for what he & hank did for this team post lockout. Maybe you forgot whos been our leading scorer for the past 3 years.

    you should go watch fans most wanted…

    RE SIGN JAGR.

  131. TGhe Rangers need more size on both the wings and on the back end. If Avery is a goner the Rangers are an even softer team than the previously were. Shanny better not be back next year. Chicago with all that young talent could use his experience and leadership.

  132. Ward was a joke of a player here and a cancer. Glad he’s gone and wish he never came aboard. He though Jagr was the reason he was benched but in reality it was his own crap play that was the reason.

  133. Salty, I have to disagree with you here. Yes, the PP deferred to him, but blame Pearn for not changing it. But at ES, they played Renney’s boring defensive system, Jagr included. He played the same defensive system as everyone else, occassionally questioning it, but still playing it. Looked to me as if he swallowed his pride pretty hard on that.

    Also, we all saw that he could have easily turned it on during the regular season and broken his contract option point threshhold (84 points, right?). Instead, he saved himself for the playoffs.

    ………

    These are valid arguments. Although I really think Jagr was quietly upset about the new direction the team started going into by dropping Nyls in favor of the other centers. Jagr may have subscribed to the defensive game, I will be 100% honest and admit I am not all too keen on recognizing “the trap” and how such systems work… but I do know defensive minded play and sure, Jagr played it, made the effort to “get back”, etc… I will give him some benefit of the doubt that he didn’t completely blow everything off, that’s silly.

    But the fact remains that the organization has done everything possible to make him happy and he did not produce as he could/should have last season. How many 1 goal games could have been won if “Jagr had turned it on in the 3rd”…? Also, let’s not act like the PP is not a big deal. We could have had one of the best PP’s in the East if Jagr was willing to make it work.

    The other truth is that a large part of me does not expect a Jagr to be willing OR able to change his game at this point of his carreer, and that really is totally understandable… but you can’t hold a whole team down on account of your 37y.o. HOF guy wanting what he wants. I mean we gave him a LOT this season and he didn’t give much back… I don’t see how you can bring this guy back, I just don’t. If it happens, it is out of desperation and marketing. Glen knows it’s not the right move, everyone in hockey knows it’s not the right move… I hope they don’t panic and sign a guy who is clearly ready to bounce just to save face or something.

    My prediction: Jagr to Dallas.

    If we have to do make a move I’d say Rolston, 1 year. We are also going to scoop up a couple more “project” (see: throw away) defensemen. Mark it.

    If we get Sundin and keep Jagr I might finally just kill myself. Or move to WSH and watch Ovie for the next 10 years.

  134. Or move to WSH and watch Ovie for the next 10 years.
    ……………….

    I’ll be honest, if Brandon’s man-crush is Jagr then Ovie is mine. Watching him play the game, he shows what it’s ALL about. Perhaps not the fastest skater in the world, but his combination of Euro-N.American hockey style with the hitting, hands, and a Kovalchuk like natural scoring touch make him the best player in the NHL and most dynamic to watch. It’s amazing anyone can consider calling Crosby the best in the NHL when this guy is out there.

  135. Salty whatever your name is… you need a life. just from reading your posts, it sounds to me that YOU are obsessed with Jagr. ITS ALL YOU WRITE ABOUT. if your so anti signing him, then why do you wake up dreaming about him in your sleep??

    …….

    LOL this is really cute, what else would you like to talk about on 6/30/08?
    “What do you think the schedule is gonna look like next season?”
    “Do you think Lundqvist might get a new paintjob on his helmet?”
    “Do you think Staal will change his number?”

    Jagr gets talked about because he is THE STORY in NY hockey right now, fool.

    casualfan’d

  136. salt in the eyes on

    salty, i hope jagr stays and we get sundin so you kill yourself. then we wont have all this negativity on this blog site

  137. I’ll be honest, if Brandon’s man-crush is Jagr then Ovie is mine. Watching him play the game, he shows what it’s ALL about. Perhaps not the fastest skater in the world, but his combination of Euro-N.American hockey style with the hitting, hands, and a Kovalchuk like natural scoring touch make him the best player in the NHL and most dynamic to watch. It’s amazing anyone can consider calling Crosby the best in the NHL when this guy is out there.

    ……

    Agree 100%. Throw in the fact that he seems “out of place” everywhere but on the ice, and it just gets better. So funny. Shows up in the NHL with that reflective visor blowing bubblegum and drinking coca-cola on the bench….and dominating. I read the guy met his chick on some website, just like every NHL star does. I’ve said this before but I’m honestly glad he’s not in NY, I think it would ruin him. I’m going to enjoy watching this guy from afar.

  138. salty, i hope jagr stays and we get sundin so you kill yourself. then we wont have all this negativity on this blog site

    ….

    and then you can continue to pretend the Rangers are just a few moves from the Stanley Cup, _right_?

    right.

  139. What about Tverdovsky? The guy’s only 31/32, can skate and move the puck. Might be prone to defensive mistakes but would be a better PP QB than Rozival and might not be too expensive.

    He might be a better less expensive option than Campbell/Streit.

  140. This is a tough one, I’m totally torn. On one hand, I have to appreciate what Jagr has done for the team, but on the other hand, last year he definitely seemed a bit disinterested at times.

    Frankly, I wouldn’t mind him back as long as the genius coaches can find a way to get one or two rookies significant playing time. I’m not particularly excited for the next couple of seasons, this team isn’t close to competing, with or without Jagr. Heck, maybe I just contradicted myself, I don’t even know! I’m just torn.

    They need to build around one guy first, and that is Hank. Maybe you can put Staal in there, but if you are going to play a defensive style, you need good defensemen. Having some of those will add more offense because there won’t always be the absolute need for “Five in the picture” and can even lead to an odd-man rush. If I worked at Elias Sports Bureau, I’d see if the Rangers were, in fact, the team with the fewest odd-man rushes for the entire season.

  141. salty and true may be the same person..thanks for copy and pasting the paragraph and the responding to it..you guys are the best.seriously get a freakin life

  142. I laugh and I laugh and I laugh when I keep reading (cuz I’m addicted) about Jagr and his place in the universe. Forget it, he IS the universe, he pretty much told us. At best, he should be back for one year, though I am completely ready to celebrate with fireworks and balloons and cigars and champagne if he is gone. BUT, if he is back for one year, there had better be a spotlight and accompanying microscope on Renney to make damned sure nobody is forced to watch another charade of El Prima Donna lollygagging his way through another season at NYR’s expense.
    What he said should not be news to anyone. I’ve read this guy like a book for years. Look at his heroic rising in the playoffs. Well thanks bud, but how come I saw you dragging your ass of the ice so slowly sometimes I think we got a too-man-men penalty.
    It’s all about drama with Jagr. If you like that, fine. I hate it. If he’s back, he damned well better just bust his gut all the time. Hopefully he is put somewhere in the next day or so. Hey Jaromir, exit stage left.

  143. If JJ were to watch some game tape of his recent forays into the offensive zone (not talking about two years ago, talking about past season), would he still really be honest in thinking he should lead a team? It worked for a bit until every team in the league caught on to that watching-paint-dry setup and passing. Then they just said, this is great, so predictable. Then, they simply neutralized it and broke out of the zone with a step on our skating-in-sand offense. No speed mostly equals no surprise to the opponent’s defence.
    I don’t want to watch Jagr controlling a Rangers’ powerplay ever again.

  144. Merci propos de ce blog, ce sujet ma rellement beaucoup interess. Grace cette colonne jai beaucoup appris de nouveaux lements que jignorais.

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