Does Sundin make any sense?

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I was pulled away on a golf assignment today (for a laugh, you can get a glimpse of my glorious golf swing “here”:http://www.lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080624/VIDEO03/80624009/-1/Sports), and I returned to reports that “Mats Sundin might be on the Rangers’ radar”:http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=241537&lid=sublink04&lpos=topRelated_nhl.

Consider me skeptical a) that this ever gets past the conceptual stage and b) that it would work out even if it did. Granted, you can do a lot worse than Mats Sundin, not only given the Rangers’ glaring need for a big body in front of the net, but also because he’s so widely respected around the league.

But I think a lot of fans would agree that if the Rangers are indeed ready to turn the page on the Jaromir Jagr Era — and it doesn’t necessarily sound like they are — they should be looking to get younger and not be looking to bring in a 37-year-old stand-in.

The other consideration here is that center is the one area this off-season the Rangers DON’T need to address, but bringing in Sundin might just give the Rangers the excuse to try Chris Drury at wing, which they tinkered with in spots down the stretch.

So I don’t think it’s a question of position as it is a philosophy. I’m not one of those people who thinks a team needs to field a team full of 23-year-olds, but I do think if you’re going to look outside your organization to strengthen yourself, you’re better served investing in a player who can give you more than a year.

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  1. Johnny Bower on

    Sundin, Tucker?

    now Sather wants to reincarnate the mismanaged, over-the-hill, lowly Leafs in NY.

    Leaf stupidity does not fall far from the tree.

  2. Lots of people supposedly interested in the youth movement are insisting on rehiring 37 year old Jagr. Hmm, what’s the difference, other than the fact Sundin carried half of the Leafs team on his back all season, while Jagr carried 3/4s of the Rangers team on his back for a handful of playoff games. The positional thing is a monkey wrench, but committed Sundin is waaay better than the Jagr I saw last season.

  3. Welp, what younger, long term options are available? I’ll pass on Hossa. After that…?

    Put Sundin and Jagr together for a season. It doesn’t block anyone (maybe Anisimov, but Renney’s comments would seem to lean toward Anisimov not being a factor for this upcoming season anyway), and it’s only money. If they can avoid the contracts causing future cap issues, I would go for it.

    Of course, signing Brian Campbell is a must. Adding a good second tier defenseman (like Commodore, or Hainsey, or Liles) would be a big help as well. The Rangers would be a potentially very strong team with that lineup.

  4. Campbell is going to Chicago most likely. Apparently they have the right to negotiate a contract and are in talks right now. Once again though like all the other rumors out there, it could be false but its the most recent rumor that I’ve heard.

  5. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    I think I understand better why the team failed so miserably for 8 years. People on here, unless their clinically retarded, are fully aware of the cap but still want to sign Campbell, Jagr, Sundin, and who else Liles? What about the other wingers, bring Shanny back? Don’t some of you realize:
    A) There’s a cap!!!
    B) These are the types of players who failed the Rangers for so long!!

    Some of this reading is so disappointing.

  6. RW&B

    I am hoping Campbell is not pursued and signed. Also, I think signing Sundin alongside Jagr is too much money. But, if Jagr did not come back, I think we could do far worse than Sundin, at least in terms of the character of the player and the value. I know everything is a crapshoot.
    I do agree we can’t get everything, but we can get just a few key pieces and get better.

  7. “I think I understand better why the team failed so miserably for 8 years. People on here, unless their clinically retarded, are fully aware of the cap but still want to sign Campbell, Jagr, Sundin, and who else Liles? What about the other wingers, bring Shanny back? Don’t some of you realize:
    A) There’s a cap!!!
    B) These are the types of players who failed the Rangers for so long!!

    Some of this reading is so disappointing.”

    People on here think that you can actually trade Hollweg too. Or Drury and his 7 mil contract.

  8. Sundin is fine but that means Shanny and Straka can’t be resigned. Why not try something like this:

    Sundin-Dubinsky-Jagr (Sundin on wing)
    Dawes-Gomez-Rolston/Vrbata/Anisimov
    Callahan-Dubinsky-Korpikoski
    Sjostrom-Betts-Byers/Orr/Tucker

    Hollweg is sent back to Hartford after camp.

    On D:
    Staal-Orpik
    Tyutin-Girardi
    Hainsey-Commodore with Potter as the #7.

    Opinions?

  9. The NYPost says that Sather might actually bring back Sundin to play with Jagr. Both guys are over 35 and could be given incentive type deals that wont hurt the cap until the year after. They called it a last ditch effort to give jagr the best team possible. If they were able to do that, it might not be too bad. Sundin would help the power play and we would have great stability up the middle and a better player on the wing in Drury.

  10. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    MarkA, you have 2 Dubinsky’s and no drury’s. I also don’t see Sundin playing wing.

    JohnnyD, the ‘dump Backman and Hollweg’ are the best posts! Haha.

    Sundin should only be an option as a 1yr project. And if you sign Sundin that means one of the other centers is losing time and Anisimov’s growth stunted. The Rangers aren’t a cup team, and so there’s no reason to bring in 1 guy to help simply make the playoffs.

  11. Rucchin – That’s a good point about the Jagr era. I’ve been saying the same thing on other board with my opion regarding not signing Jagr. But if they’re going to sign Jagr and let a few of the other vets go, then there will be plenty of cap room for Sundin. Not to mention that with it looking more and more like Avery will not be back, this team is going to lack some serious physical presence. And if theres one thing that this team hasn’t been able to provide Jagr yet, its a strong, physical center who can still play hockey. Sundin would be a good fit to center a Jagr line, but like Rucchin said, you either sign neither and start the gomez/drury era, or you sign both and prolong the Jagr era.

  12. I meant Drury as 3rd line center, it was like 1 in the morning and I was running on fumes. Who said Sundin can’t play wing? He can be the big body.

  13. I agree that so much time here is wasted trying to trade Drury. SO many reasons it’s a wasted discussion.

    Some positive and not so positive things about the 1st 2 days of prospect camp. We never seem to be short of ‘project players’ eh?

    I also don’t think the chances of Anisimov putting on 10lbs by sept is going to happen. Maybe it’ll serve him better to spend some more time in the AHL. Hey, maybe he can compete with Jason Krog to be the best in the league!

  14. THN.COM –

    The only free agent that matters these days in Toronto and Montreal is Sundin. The 37-year-old star centre, at home in Sweden, continues to contemplate the overtures from Canadiens GM Bob Gainey, who was given exclusive negotiating rights to Sundin from the Maple Leafs last Thursday.

    A report in the New York Post on Tuesday suggested the Rangers are also talking to him but Leafs GM Cliff Fletcher said that is not true.

    “Montreal is the only team that has the rights to talk to him,” Fletcher said Tuesday. “The Rangers did not ask for permission to talk to Sundin and we have given the exclusive rights to Montreal.”

    …. And there you have it.

  15. who is renney jack lalane.. he needs to put on ten pounds. how about worrying about your f’in pp geek

  16. Too all you who think Sundin is fine…
    who the hell are you gonna replace?
    Gomez?
    Drury? the best place to maximize him is a center
    Dubinski? ummm….no!
    Betts…yeah like Sundin is gonna take 4th line minutes
    and Dubinski doesnt’ deserve that downgrade…

    Sundin…just Stupid in my humble honest opinion!!!

  17. I know I’m in the minority here but a one year deal for Sundin makes some sense to me only if Jagr is coming back. It gives Jagr a true #1 center to play with and takes some pressure off Dubinsky to produce in only his 2nd season.

  18. No to Sundin, Tucker, even Bobby Orr (well, maybe). Let’s get younger, faster and bigger, even if we need to take a step back.

  19. younger faster bigger = Hossa & Malone. Want that instead? haha

    Rob – I get what you’re sayin, but the only way to do that is if you’re gunnin for a cup-run, and intend on trading WHATEVER it takes at the deadline for the last push. that includes EVERYONE….staal, dubi, bobby s, 1st rnd picks…. THEN I say you do it. And you’d have a great shot at it. I just don’t think we’re in the position to take it that serious. Especially if Pitt can resign Hossa. They’re going to be tough to beat.

  20. SeamusORiley on

    Sundin and Jagr signed to modest contracts -each for 2 years would be worth considering; especially if you look at the next two guys being Drury and Gomez, followed by a lot of 20sumthins….

  21. Sundin and Jagr for 2 years? OMG…There’s vomit all over my keyboard.

    Sundin and Jagr, 1 year…and guess what? The smartest thing the Rangers could do IF they make the dumb mistake of signing either of these guys would be to TRADE BOTH of them to a contender at the deadline for some young talent towards an actual future cup run.

    Why don’t we start doing what the SMART teams do?

  22. Better Jagr/Sundin than resting all our hopes on Gomez/Drury and a bunch of AHLers. Just because Drury/Gomez are overpaid, doesn’t make them overachievers.

  23. Right on Salty! I will needle Drury and his supporters until the day he can no longer put on that Rangers jersey OR until he plays like you guys praise him AND/OR how he’s paid.

    Having to listen to all you guys (plus Idiots 1 and 2 [Michelleti and Rosen]) nuzzle Drury’s jock strap this past-season was sickening. The talk of him as the “ultimate” winner, and little league world series’, and this and that is founded in him scoring one huge goal for Buffalo in game 5 against us. Other than that, you’d all know him as the guy who couldn’t find a home-team and won the cup as a third-line center on a stacked Av’s lineup.

  24. kc…are you playing for the cup or are you building for the future? Jagr/Sundin achieve neither of those goals because the team around them just isn’t good enough and they’re 37!

    At least giving Drury and Gomez and chance to run shop will help the team build the chemistry necessary, let the management see what holes are missing, give young guys a spot and minutes to use to flourish, and allow Gomez and Drury to become the leaders they MUST BE for this team to succeed the next 4-6 years.

  25. Rucchin:

    Letting Avery go elsewhere is a mistake Sather will regret. He is the straw that stirs the drink, the guy you can count on to show up every game.

    Make no mistake, other teams have taken notice of what Avery brings to the ice and how the fans love him and will be offering him plenty of money come July 1st.

    Philly, Tampa, Boston, Chicago are all cities Avery could play in and although Philly will have Cap problems and signing him would be difficult, the other teams could.

    Losing Avery will hurt this team tremendously. If Avery leaves then Jagr should be let go as well and it’s time to turn the page.

    Other thoughts:

    Sundin is tempting because of what he brings, but essentially if you sign Sundin, you might leave out Shanny due to cap space. Signing Sundin addresses our size up front, but not our speed.

    You could have Sundin, Jagr, Shanahan, Avery plus Orpik for $24 million if incentive deals are offered to Sundin, Jagr and Shanny. This roster would be too slow and would not be able to compete with Washington and Pittsburgh in the playoffs.

  26. Some of the posts here are truly comical. How could you possibly cheer for a team when you hate 3/4’s of the players? So ridiculous. If anyone is willing to trade Drury then they truly have no idea about hockey and the intangibles that he brings. And Gomez puck possession skills are irreplaceable. It’s hard for the other team to score if we have the puck, and if you remember the Rangers were very stingy with giving up goals. All the rookie hockey lovers grade everything with Goals and assists. How shallow.

  27. For all you Drury haters, keep in mind he was only a -3 for the season while being the main penalty killer, he scored 25 goals (12 on the PP) while playing on a young third line and had a 55% face off win and blocked countless shots in the slot. Not to mention that he was a calm, experienced, intelligent veteran on a team with many young guys. The funniest thing is all you guys who advocate bringing up the youth, it’s guys like Drury who get them ready. You have to look beyond only the pucks that go in the net.

  28. couldn’t agree more rmnat..true fans are you the bald guy that dances during the 3rd period? you’ve probably never put your feet in skates…go pump your boy salty

  29. Rmant,
    Nice post but you forgot to state that those 25 goals were tied for the team lead and that he led the team with 7 GWG’s.

  30. There will be one more year of Jagr in blue.I’m okay with that provided he has the right opposite winger. I think Dubinsky in the center will continue to grow and gain confidence playing with one of the greatest offensive players of all time. You need someone on the wing that is a sniper,good at finding open ice & responsible defensively as well(a tall order). Anyone come to mind?

  31. At least giving Drury and Gomez and chance to run shop will help the team build the chemistry necessary, let the management see what holes are missing, give young guys a spot and minutes to use to flourish, and allow Gomez and Drury to become the leaders they MUST BE for this team to succeed the next 4-6 years.

    ………

    Word.

    In response to Rmant RE:Intangiables, there is no set of ‘intangiables’ worth $7M of capspace. At that price you cannot be some fringe player adding hints and flavors to the game. Intangiables are those little things that you just can’t put your finger on, and no player should be making that kind of money unless you can flat out say “LOOK AT WHAT THIS PLAYER DOES THAT NO ONE ELSE CAN DO”. There is not one single thing that Chris Drury does much better than anyone else on the Rangers. When you can’t quite put your finger on the reason why ypu’re paying a guy $7M/per… it was probably a mistake.

    Drury flat out had a bad year. Maybe he had 25 goals, and how many of those were “pile ons”? Let’s hope he plays better… He will indeed be “run out of NY” if he doesn’t put up better numbers in the future.

    Didn’t Holik have one of them NTC’s as well?

  32. I also think its retarded with all the Druy and Gomer bashing. The deals been done for a year, get over how much were paying them, its done and there not getting traded.

    In one breathe some of you say lets make them the leaders of our team, in the next its there not worth what were paying them?

    Bottom line, why bitch about two players who are going to be here for the long term forseeable future? There is no reason. So STOP BITCHING ALREADY. Sather will never trade either of them for any miracle offer. No matter if its better for the team in your eyes or not. PERIOD. Got it? Understand? or do we have to read the same reguritation of the same post day after day?

    They’ve both been on our team for exactly 82 games + 2 rounds of playoffs, not alot of time. And they both put up pretty standard numbers for what they do.

    TruefanRWB in one post you say Drury sucks and in the very next one you say let them lead the team? Pick a side and stick with it already

    Although I do agree The two idiot announcers we have did blow Drury way too much over the season, but he’s doing what we brought him here to do. And nevermind about all the “Mr Clutch ” Crap, as it is all crap anyway. He’s a solid player, with moderate goals, big on PK, heart and love for the NYR and his team, period.

    Forget Sundin, Forget Hossa,

    And YES get rid of Hollweg either through trade or being sent back to HArtford. He does nothing fo rhtis team excpet being an ass in the dressing roo. Two goals over 82 games in not even 4th line quality.

  33. Re: Drury…

    This is the problem with a lot of Rangers fans… Bashing a guy after the 1st year of a 5 year contract. Let’s see what happens after 2012 before we consider what he’s done a failure or success.

  34. hollweg is terrible.. pretty much ruined the pittsburgh series on that one terrible penalty.. the guy can barely skate

  35. I would live to have Sundin but here is my problem. What if he doesn’t mesh with jagr?

    Then we have the same problem as last year. Actually we have an even worse problem. If Dubinsky is first line center then that leaves either Sundin or Gomez(assuming Drury is moved to winger) being a third line center. Why spend all this money on three #1 centers to have none of them be playing as a #1 center!!!! And possibly none of them playing on the first line at all!

    They should be targeting wingers, and a bone crusher Dman. With the money they would spend on Sundin they could sign, Huselius, Ryder, and Orpik.

  36. Drury:
    -cannot move the puck or hold it longer than 2 seconds
    -turns it over in the neutral and offensive zones
    -takes slap shots from 30 feet on breakaways, right into the goalies stomach (cant even count how many times I watched this happen this year, twice in the first game against the devils)
    -played on the 3rd line because he got beat out of the position by a rookie.
    -is a “Journeyman”

    also

    -has no locker room voice and commands zero respect
    -was Avery’s bitch all season
    -should have stayed on the diamond
    -needs to be surrounded by elite talent in order to appear successful
    -cannot handle New York City
    -I would love him if he was only making $4.5M, *which is more than enough for what he brings to the table*.

  37. donlovessausages,
    You’re the guy who didn’t understand +/- as of YESTERDAY, so you’re already showing your expertise.
    ………
    Someone else said:
    “Drury was only a -3 for the season while being the main penalty killer”

    And this sounds like the argument sausagesauce was making yesterday; except that -3 for a $7million guy who’s supposed to be one of the game’s BEST 2-way center is awful. Drury has never broken +10 in his career, BTW.
    ………
    JerseyMike,

    I acknowledge the stupid contract that Sather offered to Drury and that Drury will be here another 4 years. I can’t critique Drury’s play but ALSO want him to play better and lead this team? Since when are criticism, hoping a player performs better, and knowing he is the future of this organization (whether I like it or not) all mutually exclusive?

    I understand what Drury can bring, but what I’m disheartened by is this blind love many fans and the media have for him. He’s a low-2nd line, top-3rd line center. Unfortunately, Sather NEEDED to have him and offered HUGE money for him. I accept that but also realize that the Rangers will only be successful if Drury plays his role, successfully, and helps develop the younger players!

    Just because I dislike what Sather has done and believe that Drury is ultra-overrated, doesn’t mean I want he (so long as he’s on my favorite team) or the team to fail. Don’t be confused by that.

  38. “Losing Avery will hurt this team tremendously.”

    Overpaying him is worse.

    “played on the 3rd line because he got beat out of the position by a rookie.”

    You’re better than that salty. At least I thought you were. Still stand by that line? Think hard about that. Nothing to do with #68? For the majority of the season #68 shoulda been on the 3rd line with Dru up front. Drury (along with Gomer) were the two most consistant rangers last season. There’s no debate about that. More consistant than Hank, Avery, Jagr, Rozy, Shanny, Straka, … everyone. And that counts for something. At least it does in reality.

  39. Salty

    Can you tell us when Sather or any Ranger representative stated that Drury was being brought in and paid for his extremely high point totals? You can’t because he wasn’t. He was brought in for his all around two way play, his clutch play, his experience, his defense and yes, for those intangiables, The little things that happen every game that don’t show up on the score sheet. And by the way, judging anyone by “pile on” goals is simply ridiculous since every player has a certain amount, that’s probably why there is no “pile on goal” stat.

  40. yep got the +- thing wrong but i admitted my error.. as far as you true fans. go put on your macroblades and head to chelsea.. have fun sitting in the blues dancing with grandma

  41. True Fans
    Who says -3 for a two way player, penalty killer is terrible? You? What makes you an authority? He was on a team that couldn’t score more than 2 goals a game for nothing. I hope you hold yourself in life to the same standard you hold these players.

  42. “Bashing a guy after the 1st year of a 5 year contract.”

    I’m bashing him after a bullshit hype carreer so far, and the way he let Buffalo shit the bed in the playoffs on his watch, not just his season here.

    “In one breathe some of you say lets make them the leaders of our team, in the next its there not worth what were paying them?”

    If having Drury take on a different/stronger role means losing Jagr, I am all for it. However, I want to see Scott Gomez captain this team, if anyone. He plays with more drive, determination, and has the wit and wisdom to be captain. I’m sure Drury practices hard but there is nothing he does that specifially sets him above anyone else on the team, or in the league.

  43. Salty- Did Drury scorn you in some type of secret affair? How could you possibledislike him that much. Maybe we could debate if he is worth 7 million or less but you couldn’t possibly denegrate this man’s career this way. He has been a solid, dependable, cluth performer for many years who has won a Stanley Cup. The funniest thing is that the way you judge him (nonsense like blaming him for Buffalo getting knocked out) you could blame any player for the same things. You truly demonstrate a complete lack of knowledge of the game of hockey.

  44. Is it really such a far stretch to expect Drury to be a PLUS player? Is that standard much too high considering he even had a couple cracks at the top-line?!
    Talbot was +8, Lang was +9, Nichol and Franzen were +12, and even Madden (who played on a far inferior offensive team) was +1.

    I think most of you would normally consider Drury a cut above those centers (except maybe the ‘mule’ because you recently watched the playoffs and experienced the same infatuation you developed after watching Drury last year), but as a “two-way center” Drury didn’t perform better than those guys.

    Beer, besides showing the money it now costs to sign a TRULY elite player (Lecavalier @$9.4 million per/yr ~ about the same Ovech signed for) this is an additional kick to the groin of Rangers fans because it’s another UFA who we should pursue but won’t/can’t (unless via trade) because he’ll never see the open market. This new trend of LONG-contracts and extensions is making going to make it difficult to replace Jagr in the near future.

  45. And here we go with the personal attacks (donniebaseball and rmant). LoL

    The fact remains that Buffalo DID NOT resign Drury, neither did Calgary and Colorado.
    Buffalo didn’t entrust the “C” to Drury alone (which just makes one wonder).
    Drury was the third center behind Forsberg and Sakic on the Av’s team which won a cup – I think they had a few other guys helping out with production and leadership, guys like Hejduk, Bourque, and ROY to mention a handful.
    One final fact, after the Rangers were down in the series against Pitts this year, Drury scored 0 goals…clutch who?

    That gave him 3 goals total for the playoffs and 1 GWG, which was a 4-1 goal that turned into a game winner.

  46. unfortunately sometimes players get overpaid due to circumstance. For instance this year, Marrion Hossa will be grossly overpaid because he is the best of the sub par UFA’s this year. But the Rangers would never have a crack at a guy like Lecavalier or Ovenchkin and that’s why they must get Drury or Gomez and pay a truckload for them before some other team does. That’s hockey. Stop crying and cheer them on.

  47. I wouldn’t call that a personal attack, it was a lighthearted joke. Don’t be so sensitive.

  48. I wouldn’t call that a personal attack. It was a light hearted joke. Don’t be so sensitive.

  49. true – that’s what my bro and I were talking about. Which means its that much more important to not only draft well, but try to trade up to grab elite players that go 1-3 overall.

  50. I can only hope that the next cba will somehow screw those teams up that sign players for those contracts.

  51. If anyone can find a video clip of David Kveton getting hit by Stamkos at the WJC, please post it here. I can’t seem to find it anywhere.

  52. On a sidenote… I was at the Pearl Jam show at the Garden last night… GREAT SHOW.

    Cool little tidbit: At the end of Daghter… Eddie Vedder tags it with a Let’s Go Rangers chant!

    Awesome.

    P.S.

    NO TO SUNDIN AND HOSSA!!!! Just say no.

  53. It’s probably important to note that between Lecalvalier. Ovenchkin and Crosby they have one cup between them. Yet, look at the recent cup winners, most teams are all a sum of their parts with few elite players on the team. Even the Red Wings this year had their elite player as a defensemen. Once you load the team with the appropriate parts you will not even need a Jagr type.

  54. drury put up his career averages. I could find guys that play exactly like him and make almost half the amount of money. I like Drury but there is no justifying his contract. At the same time we can’t do anything about it so move on.

  55. Tucker is being bought out of his last 3 years on his contract. 2 years ago he was Avery. Avery at $ 6.5 million for 2 years is more than fair. otherwise we’ll be taking a cap hit for a guy that will not be on the Rangers if he signs for more than 2 years.

    Salty do you want some cheese with that whine. either be a fan or don’t. but we don’t need to read 20 anti Drury posts from you every day.

  56. Rmant,
    Lidstrom was their captain.
    Datsyuk was their EVERYTHING! Selke winner, scorer, passer!
    Zetterberg was the same!

    The combination of Datsyuk and Zetterberg is akin to Nylander-Jagr or Thornton-Cheechoo.

    Individually, extremely good players, but together they are AMAZING. The Rangers don’t have any combination of players who could produce like that individually or together right now.

  57. ThisYearsModel on

    Tucker’s being waived has put a dent in Avery’s value, IMO. As for Sundin………..OK by me so long as it does not break the bank. Sundin and Jagr might make for a very interesting line.

  58. “Tucker’s being waived has put a dent in Avery’s value, IMO.”

    Only in the eyes of those who carry is jock, himself, and his agent. The only important person in all this(slats) knows his value. For once, I trust him.

  59. on drurys +- he was -13 at the allstar break, which i think may be due to the pressure of first coming to new york. so with that said, the second half of the season he had a +10 rating. as someone else has said forget the contract its a done deal and no amount of whining will change it. (you should blame sather not drury, he just signed the paper)

  60. datsuk and zetterberg same as nylander jagr.. those two barely skate and are rarely in the defensive zone.. get a clue geek.. in light news.. true fans will bring his hula skirt for his new dance in the 08-09 season

  61. Chris Drury is now an inductee into the Fairfield County Hall of Fame. =D He will be inducted on October 20th at the Greenwich Hyatt. Yeah! Maybe Ryan Shannon next year?

  62. Fairfield County Hall of Fame
    ……..

    LOL

    Add that to his list of winning accomplishments

    Next up: Let’s see if captain clutch can get over all the “pressures” of playing in NYC.

  63. hey salty, you and true go find some chicken wire..climb in, roll yourself up and catapult yourself off the GW

  64. _You’re better than that salty. At least I thought you were. Still stand by that line? Think hard about that. Nothing to do with #68? For the majority of the season #68 shoulda been on the 3rd line with Dru up front. Drury (along with Gomer) were the two most consistant rangers last season. There’s no debate about that. More consistant than Hank, Avery, Jagr, Rozy, Shanny, Straka, … everyone. And that counts for something. At least it does in reality._

    Dude, the facts remain. He was brought in to be a top 2 Center and a rookie found a way to make himself fit there better. Of course it was ultimately Jagr’s call, but on ewould think Drury would have been able to adapt in some way to fit in one of the top 2 lines and he didn’t. The truth is Drury just made much more sense as that 3rd line, keep it deep, grind it out guy with guys like Callahan and Dawes. I also don’t think he was as “consistant” as you’d like to think. He took months to show any signs of life at all, if you recall, Sam even wrote a article specifically about him needing to produce more. Quoting someone above, “-13″ at the allstar break??? I don’t know if thats a true stat or not , but I wouldn’t be surprised.

    People here like to accuse me of “not paying attention to the details” of what Drury does. I will admit, I’m not the kind of person who pays a lot of attention to things going on away from the immediate play…but I watched Drury like a hawk everytime he took the ice and everytime the puck was near him. He rarely looks very comfortable with what he’s doing. He seems to stumble and fumble things a lot, and seems to give up the puck a lot. It’s one thing to turn the puck over from time to time if you’re an offensive player taking offensive risks and producing on them with a good percentage. It’s another thing to be “the lower scoring defensive forward” and cough the puck up so frequently. I just hope he gets better.

  65. donsausage June 25th, 2008 at 10:17 am

    hollweg is terrible.. pretty much ruined the pittsburgh series on that one terrible penalty.. the guy can barely skate

    not to start an argument but about the only think Hollwegg can do is skate…take away his skates and you have…
    well nothing but a guy holding a hockey stick.

  66. to salty sosa on

    first off, being inducted into group is different from ‘winning’ accomplishments.

    Drury does in fact has an extensive list of winning accomplishments including playing large roles in Stanley Cup Championships, NCAA Championship, Hobey Baker Winner, and LLWS Champion.

    are you frustrated because while future captain chris drury was winning championships at every level of his life, you were ‘winning’ runner up employee of the week over at the waste management facility?

  67. The facts DON’T remain. This is a team with Jagr on it. In 3 seasons we’ve seen him dictate who he will play with. Take Jags off the team last season, and Dru is a top-line/2nd line player. Let’s also examine his linemates. He played with guys with ZERO NHL experience trying to break into the NHL, guys that have never broken the 20-goal mark, guys that…you get it. I think. Jags didn’t want to play with him cause he wouldn’t bend over and let Jags have his way. He may be the only guy on the F’n team that did it too.

    I’m not gonna argue about Drury. The guy’s a player. He doesn’t deserve $7mil, but then again the majority of the guys that make that don’t deserve it.

  68. When the hell is Sather going to DO SOMETHING!!

    SOOOO sick of debating Drury’s worth Avery’s vogue style and nonsense about Sundin

  69. Beer, what we have learned over this past season is Drury bashers like Bush bashers are abound. Most don’t need acknowledgement.
    But once again…he is a proven winner with attitude and heart that no one on this blog has ever experienced, including me. However because he like most Rangers is overpaid they knock him, not because he is a bad player but instead because he gets the money they can only dream of…
    Some people don’t see quality, even when it is staring them in the face, only dollars…pathetic…

  70. Beerme,

    I’ve seen Pearl Jam twenty something times now… in Seattle, Florida, California, New Orleans, Connecticut, New Jersey, Maryland, Philadelphia, Toronto and GA and never heard a chant from them… I know they’re Basketball fans and mention names of players and teams, etc. but not chants. Not sayin’ it doesn’t happen… just saying I thought it was awesome.

    The crowd was crazy and I’m sure he did it just to get things even more insane. But I thought it was cool nonetheless.

  71. This is a team with Jagr on it. In 3 seasons we’ve seen him dictate who he will play with. Take Jags off the team last season, and Dru is a top-line/2nd line player. Let’s also examine his linemates. He played with guys with ZERO NHL experience trying to break into the NHL, guys that have never broken the 20-goal mark, guys that…you get it.

    ….

    Right, and that’s where Drury finally started to fit in with those grind it out 3rd liners. And yes, take Jagr away from the equation and the whole picture changes…. but when we sign him (Jagr) for 2 more seasons…then what happens? Still want your 3rd center taking up $85,365 of cap space per night to block shots and dump the puck? Is Drury going to be a team player and play a wing or is he “too stubborn and not going to back down”…come on, he wishes he could have hung with Jagr and kept him happy. Jagr knew there was no way in red hell that Drury was going to be able to control the puck longer than a split second. Its really sad that he will probably be a Ranger Captain just because of what the media has said about him over the years and the fans swallow it up.

  72. staal wart…touche captain literal touche.. have a look at how paul coffey or leetch skated.. hollweg looks like a mite..get him to laura stamm and teach him what a stride is..ahh forget it..he should go to boxing class with jessiman.. campbell and orpik 2008!!!!

  73. Drury does in fact has an extensive list of winning accomplishments including playing large roles in *Stanley Cup Championships*, NCAA Championship, Hobey Baker Winner, and LLWS Champion.
    ………
    “Stanly cup championship” (singular) and that role, exactly, was as third line center and finishing 5th in Avalanche scoring for the playoffs. Sakic, Hejduk, Tanguay and Blake all out-scored him and Roy won the Conn Smythe…but yea, Drury had the intangibles which won that cup!

    The 207 regular season points that Sakic and Forsberg combined for meant nothing either because goals and assists mean sh!t when you have a guy who brings these intangibles!

    Alright, it’s gone far enough and I see children are about to make “your momma” jokes because they’ve been out-witted and defeated on the facts alone. Don, perhaps I will play hockey against you one day (what are macroblades? LOL, i honestly dont know)…btw; what’s your height, weight, and age? Just trying to calculate your chances of survival…

  74. However because he like most Rangers is overpaid they knock him, not because he is a bad player but instead because he gets the money they can only dream of…
    Some people don’t see quality, even when it is staring them in the face, only dollars…pathetic…

    ….

    The only thing that’s pathetic is fans that are too ignorant to understand, or willing to ignore the fact that there is a salary cap in place. I could give a shit if Drury took all $51M to the domepiece…as long as it didn’t handcuff us from signing other important parts of a team. His ‘intangiables’ don’t mean cock when we can’t fill holes that his presence leaves open because we’d go past the price limit. It’s really not that hard to understand why Drury is a problem, unless you just want to believe in what you’ve been told about him. If you’ve watched the cat, you’d have noticed night in and night out, the guy is a pretty average/standard player.

  75. Doodie Machetto on

    Truefans, I can’t believe you’re placing so much stock on +/-. By that logic, Marek Malik should’ve received Norris consideration from 2003 through 2007. It’s a BS stat and it’s a joke to think an argument based on it holds any water. Get real.

  76. You guys had one too many former one-dimensional stars waltz thru this garden man…constantly ragging on Drury who 1) scores some goals 2) kills penalties 3) takes draws 4) blocks shots and 5) despite size actually GOES TO THE NET!! besides all that is a local guy….

    You want nice stats keep cheering for the Kovalchuks and the Thorntons…..he and Gomez were best signings rangers have made since messier….and that includes trade for Jagr

  77. riche’ – that’s f’n sweet man.

    “Still want your 3rd center taking up $85,365 of cap space per night to block shots and dump the puck?”

    Followed by.. “I could give a sh-t if Drury took all $51M to the domepiece…”

    Well, apparently you do give a sh-t with that prev statement.

    But to answer your question, I pray that Jags is not resigned. And if he is, then I would hope that he’s a ‘captain’ enough to know his role.

  78. macro blades are the old school rollerblades…don’t worry about my height weight..this isn’t match.com…some stuff out there today though.. i dig on this site..

  79. Again…money…
    and the way you describe it make Drury sound brilliant…its really not his fault Sather offered him a big contract…heck I would have signed too…
    don’t take it personally…we have other problems other than Drury…why knock him he is gonna be here for years…
    instead, my question is why the hell where Drury and Gomez brought in to usher in the “post Jagr era” and it seems as if Sather is now undecided, well should we keep Jagr or let him go. Basically if Jagr stays for 2 years, we then have wasted 3 years of both Gomez and Drury’s contract for them to play 2nd and 3rd line minutes…Absolutely fing stupid in my opinion…either keep Jagr and fill the roster with his little minions or move on to a Gomez Drury team filled with the youth, size, speed and heart that a Gomez and Drury team would exhibit and that we are all craving!

  80. SeamusORiley on

    I don’t see much Drury Gomez bashing; more of just who will fit with them, and some CAP issues. Specifically, we have two excellent leaders to build around, along with a very solid goalie, and some young players that are emerging.

    The question is veteran leadership.

    I am pretty much on the fence about certain things:
    I would like Jagr to go to. NY fans will cheer him no matter where he goes, when he steps on Garden ice. We are NY, not pittsburg. But, I want the Czech possie to go, and the pandering to his style of play. Bye to malik, rosival, and stratka. I don’t think we sign him and then have to attempt to build around him. We didn’t win the Cup with him and we aren’t.

    Shanny? I think he is done. Great player, but has aged out. Perhaps a 1 year deal, to help kids, and with limited minutes…,

    But…someone pointed out that to go for the Cup this year, signing Sundin AND Jagr short term might make sense. If we are going to have Jagr, lets have Sundin. Sundin is a leader and a presence, as well. This would mean no more Shanny, of course. So, hearing that, I backpeddled from bye bye to all the Czechs.

    What of Avery?

    Sather SHOULD have signed him while injured during the season. It is REALLY hard to argue against going 50-20-10 with him in the line up. It is also hard to sign him to 4 or 5 million knowing that:
    a. he is injury prone
    b. he plays bigger than he is, therefore, see point a.
    c. he may be actually a detriment in the lockeroom.

    As much as I cannot stand Marty as a whiner, I thought the arm waving was bush league and I still think Drury told him to stop. I don’t want to see us win like that. If I am a pittsburg fan, I want someone to bitch slap Cindy Crosby and say “we CAN win without diving or dating Bettman”.

    This is not the pre March 2004 Rangers who relied on old guys. We are a much younger team and have some real promise. However, if we want to seriously contend for the Cup this year, we must hand the reins over to Gomez and build a devils like responsible d first team (hey, all those years of “boring” 1-0 hockey would have been SO much better than a decade of no playoff games!!)

    or

    give one more year to Jagr, get him Sundin and try again from what we went on last year.

    I don’t think Jags and Shanny work well. Shanny and Drury and Gomez seemed to be on one side of the page, and Jagr and the Czech no hitmen mafia on the other.

    By the way, I hate changing coaches but I don’t see a Stanley Cup coach in Renney. Not when I saw him give critical, last minute of play, 1 goal lead ice to to Marek Malikenstein. Nope. Not gonna happen.

    Tomas Pock, with a broken leg, high on vicodin, would have been better than Marek malik.

  81. Waartz, awesome post bro. I completely agree – and I know Salty does too.

    Gomez and Drury have to take over this team at some point. Jagr and Sundin ain’t getting a cup, so why not let Scotty and Chrissy take over now?

    Doodie, this is my last comment on Drury because I do believe it’s a nuisance having to read/write about Drury everyday…as a two-way center, you thrive on allowing fewer than you score. So how can you be considered an elite (or the “best”) two-way center if you’re a minus? At that point, consistently being a minus, you’re no different than a Blair Betts; “defensive specialist” [i say this to be PC, although I think Betts is great at what he does].

  82. macro blades are the old school rollerblades…
    ……

    the fact that you know this means youre probably old and play/played roller hockey but now play dek hockey.
    Just an observation. Lol

  83. I just want to chime in a ‘tad’ on the plus/minus. Wingers. Dawes had trouble breaking into the NHL in part b/c of lack of 2-way play. Callahan looks like a wet cat skating some nights. Anyone would be a minus there. That’s all I have to say about that.

    viva la Drury!

  84. Kaspar, don’t get me wrong…i’ve said this many times; I do believe Drury leaves his heart and his best effort out on the ice…blocking shots, playing through the torn ab muscle/cartilage, dealing with Jagr’s smelly jock-strap all game, he brings those intangibles.

    No question, Drury works very hard and plays a sound, team, game.

  85. A little side-tracked from the Drury talk, someone earlier commented on the “most consistent player” last year…
    How about Mara, Valiquette, or Betts?

    Those three guys did their job (albeit in limited roles, or not) and were pretty damn good almost every game they played. I often thought those three were the quiet, steady-as-she-goes, heroes in a group struggling to find cohesiveness. Betts did his PK thing and played alot of big minutes against opposing number 1 lines, Mara was almost never the victim of follies we screamed at Rozy, Malik, Tyutin, and at some points Girardi for, and Valiquette was very good, if not amazing, during those stretches Hank lost his edge and needed a break.

    Props to those guys.

  86. Salty….half a year goes by, but the venom for Drury lives. Dude, you are persistent of nothing else!

    Beer Me! said it right….Jagr’s got the “C” on his sweater. He dictates far more than any of us know, who plays where, for how long, and all that other crap. Get Jagr off the team and you will see the new Rangers with Gomer and Drury at the helm. I bet every penny I have that the team looks wholly different without Jagr and Drury becomes a bigger player.

    Enough on that…there is too much bickering and the like here so I thought I would share a story about Avery that I heard from one of my sources:

    He was down at Bonnaroo recently. He had his own bus/RV. Mary Kate Olsen was his sleepover guest. He likes to party.

    I also heard this: So the Knicks and Rangers share parking space at their training facility. Apparently all the Knicks get there early in their tricked out Escalades and whatnot and take up like 3 spaces per car, leaving the Rangers to park way far from the entrance and with less than ample room. The story goes that one day Avery dumped a chocolate shake on one of the Escalades, poked his head into their training room and said, “Someone spilled a chocolate shake over the black Escalade and that someone was me. Stop taking up 3 spaces with each of your cars.” From that day on the Knicks’ cars were neatly parked in one space per car.

    Not sure on the validity of the story, but funny if it’s true. Gotta love him if it is, right?

  87. agreed. Mara had his troubles and was a healthy scratch, but I’d like him resigned.

    most consistent ranger probably was betts.

  88. “Not sure on the validity of the story, but funny if it’s true. Gotta love him if it is, right?’

    If its true just sign him. Period. A guy with “rubles’ like that does not belong at Nassau or in Tenessee

  89. “Still want your 3rd center taking up $85,365 of cap space per night to block shots and dump the puck?”

    Followed by.. “I could give a sh-t if Drury took all $51M to the domepiece…” *as long as it didn’t handcuff us from signing other important parts of a team* .

    Well, apparently you do give a sh-t with that prev statement.

    ………..

    I’m done for today but I don’t understand the confusion here. It’s about cap space to me, nothing else. Give Drury $100M per game as long as it doesn’t impede us from signing the Orpiks, Malones, Campbells, Liles, Whoevers that we need to build a complete/competetive team.

    That said, I do indeed agree with Staal Warts long post above, very well said. I obviously just want this team to do well. If I was not a real Ranger fan, believe me I would not be killing whole days here typing all this shit out.

    If Avery really poured the milkshake on the escalade, that is awesome. Although I don’t think the Knicks would have taken that so lightly if they weren’t at the bottom of the league….

  90. The knicks probably didn’t even realize what Avery said.

    I bet Marbury was like: “yo, which one of you let the white midget with the gucci glasses and kicks in here?”

  91. “yay! doodie & kaspar show up to fight for the good guys…lol”

    Hey Beer!

    I just make that stuff up so someone sticks up for you once in a while around here.

    As far as Comrade Doodie goes I nominate him for GM job after Sather screws it all up!

  92. why is it funny? I don’t understand… notice where you cut the 2nd half of my quote out, too? I had to track back and paste it in bold…

    I’d love Drury as our 3rd line center *if he was making 3rd line center money*…then we’d be able to sign a top line winger and stud Dman…etc.

  93. If anyone missed the ‘doings’ today.

    Brian McGratten was claimed off waivers by PHX.

    Kyle Wellwood was claimed off waivers by VAN.

  94. what was funny, was that all your posts were like: “he can’t stickhandle” “he just dumps the puck” “he’s too quiet”. I’m not even gonna go back an look of the rest. But very few mentioned the cap.

    You’re ONLY post on the matter could have been: “I think Drury’s a decent player, but he’s overpaid”. Instead of tearing the guy apart.

    As far as currently signed players go, he’s one of the top 3/4 on the team, and paid as such. I agree he’s overpaid, but there ain’t sh-t I can do about it, so why cry about it?

    LI joe – you’re right, and I thought about that afterwards. horrible every night is still ‘consistent’.

  95. Drury had 10 GWG, a few games he tied that went into OT (that Shanny and Dawes won for us) and single-handedly defended on just about every 3 on 5 we had this season.

    Is he worth a big cap hit now? I dunno… Will he be worth it when the cap goes past 60m? Yes.

  96. Again, if Drury’s overpaid – its not by more than $1mn – wasn’t his offer from Buffalo $6mn? I guarantee someone else would have offered $6mn as well. So that was the market for Drury.

    Compare him to Datysuk who’s making $6.7mn, same type of player albeit with more assists. Datysuk plays with studs, Drury is playing with AHL kids and a shitty offensive D. He’s not grossly overpaid, when you factor in the facets other than pure offense.

    Also, that $1mn isn’t going to prevent us from signing anyone. The cap has gone up by more than that already, stop the whining already.

  97. # Staal Wart June 25th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    Drury sucks and makes too much damn money LOL

    Ummm…I was joking…I really like Drury and agree with Pavel and JJP

  98. yea 7M a year is hard to swallow.. and is he a “top tier” star?…No he’s not but everyone realizes he got the $$$ because of the “Clutch” sign printed on his forhead….look at his career and 25 G’s is his average( even with 2 yrs in Buff of over 30)….The clutch thing can be argued forever it’s not tangible except for that little league game I guess.

    Like Pavel said, in a few years when the Ryan Malones and the Jeff Blakes are making $7M it wont seem as bad

  99. I have two extra zidlickies in my garage, I don’t think they are alive anymore but I’m sure they’re still worth something for the bones alone

  100. Compare him to Datysuk who’s making $6.7mn, same type of player

    …….

    I’m going to pretend that you didn’t just directly compare Chris Drury to one of the most Elite hockey players on the face of the earth…while pointing out that the 2008 Selke Trophy winner, 2008 Byng trophy winner, 2008 Plus/Minus award winner, and 2008 Stanley Cup Champion in Datsyuk also is taking up LESS cap space than Drury as well.

  101. Newman:

    If you’re going to take up three parking spaces at least win a basketball game once in a while.

    Avery rules

  102. i dont get all the crying about jagr making 5 million last season.

    slap yourselves.

  103. when campbell comes to the rangers bc his boy drury is here all you haters can lick it..

  104. Cliff Fletcher on

    some fans need to get a few things straight. Jagr is demanding 2 TWO years, period. so, don’t give us any crap about one more year, ’cause he ain’t gonna do that.

    that is why I say good riddance to jagr and his posse. eff him and his personal agenda about 2 more years of his pouting and loafing until Feb.

    and Sundin could not get the Leafs into the playoffs for 3 years, and they had to blow up the team. so, getting him at his advanced age is useless.

  105. PLEASE NO TUCKER.

    Avery, though, it’s cool to let go of anyway. He does not actually show up every game, including the playoffs. And he’s absolutely injury prone. I think he’s really good and fun but is not mandatory. Especially for what he thinks he’s worth.

    Bashing Drury and Gomez is just silly. They were both key parts of any success the Rangers had, even if they didn’t turn out to be the Wayne Gretzkys some of you seems to think we were getting.

  106. Sather, Sather’s agent, and Avery have all agreed they never said Avery’s worth $4million. However, they do believe he’s worth more than the $2.75 he’s offered.

    To say Avery doesn’t show up some games and is injury prone is naive. I believe this was his first season with any injury problems and I have never seen Avery half-a$$ any play. He skates hard to the puck, finishes his hits, gets back to play a solid defensive game, goes to the crease to deflect shots (as many as his ‘hands’ permit), and dives in front of slap shots from opposing defensmen.

  107. no to campbell. the case against Drury would be a lot better if there were real superstars who made it to free agency. and don’t give me hossa or campbell

  108. I don’t think you’re allowed to have options on contracts anymore but i could be wrong. I’ll take Avery for 2 years $ 6.5 million. no 3rd year though. Staal and Dubinsky among others will want theirs too.

    I think someone will offer 4 years though and close to the $ 15 million. hopefully it’s out of the division.

  109. Doodie Machetto on

    Two years, 5.75 million. That’s my final Avery offer. If he scores 20 goals during those years, I’d bring him back for more.

  110. Doodie Machetto on

    A couple of other happenings around the league:

    Vinny Lecavalier is going to sign a 9 year, $77 million (8.55 cap hit) contract with a NTC. So, basically, he’s never playing elsewhere.

    Dubliewicz signed with Ak Bars Kazan of the KHL. So no more “Dubie” chants, although, we can potentially have “Dubi” chants.

    Jozef Stumpel was put on waivers by the Panthers. Real smart. You just traded away your best center for two mediocre defensemen. Now you just got rid of your second best center for nothing.

    The Sharks resigned Roenick, Boucher, and Pavelski.

  111. “I’m going to pretend that you didn’t just directly compare Chris Drury to one of the most Elite hockey players on the face of the earth…”

    …..

    I did. Actually its easy, if you can make the arguement that people are overpaid then you also have to have the flip side of the coin. Datsyuk is underpaid.

    My point that Drury is not grossly overpaid when you put into the context of being a center and what the going rate is. 2008-2009 center cap numbers per nhlnumbers.com. Some guys are overpaid, some underpaid – a lot depends on when their contract was signed and is up.

    I would personally take Drury over Briere, Elias, and Marleau who are all right around the same number

    1 Crosby, Sidney 8.700
    2 Richards, Brad 7.800
    3 Gomez, Scott 7.357
    4 Thornton, Joe 7.200
    5 Drury, Chris 7.050
    6 Spezza, Jason 7.000
    7 Lecavalier, Vincent 6.875
    8 Datsyuk, Pavel 6.700
    9 Briere, Daniel 6.500
    10 Marleau, Patrick 6.300
    11 Elias, Patrik 6.000
    12 Richards, Mike 5.750
    13 Getzlaf, Ryan 5.325
    14 Jokinen, Olli 5.250
    15 Savard, Marc 5.000
    16 Ribeiro, Mike 5.000
    17 Nylander, Michael 4.875
    18 Bergeron, Patrice 4.750
    19 Koivu, Saku 4.750
    20 Arnott, Jason 4.500

  112. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    There are at least 6 of those players making less who I would take before Drury.

  113. sundin = gretz, fluery, bure, lindros, anson carter…. this is what we did when we missed the playoffs for 7 straight seasons do we really want to go through this bs again. instead of solving the problems sundin will create them I would rather over pay Avery rather than under pay Sundin. Lets all hope and pray this does not happen.

  114. Doodie Machetto on

    I never even noticed that about Crosby actually.

    See my post above, Lecavalier is going up to 8.55.

    From that list, here are the players I would take over Drury:

    1 Crosby, Sidney 8.700
    3 Gomez, Scott7.357
    4 Thornton, Joe7.200
    6 Spezza, Jason7.000
    7 Lecavalier, Vincent 6.875
    8 Datsyuk, Pavel 6.700
    9 Briere, Daniel 6.500
    12 Richards, Mike 5.750 (only for his age and contract)
    13 Getzlaf, Ryan 5.325
    14 Jokinen, Olli 5.250
    15 Savard, Marc5.000 (only because of contract number)
    18 Bergeron, Patrice 4.750 (only for age/contract)

  115. Sam since no one commented on your swing…I’ll say its a thing of beauty!
    I am an expert, I’ve been known to play a quick 18 holes on occasion in Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06 on my PC

  116. I would actually rather have Sundin than Jagr. He is a center. He has a better shot. He will be more helpful moving back and forth on our power play, which usually sits stagnant on the right boards for two thirds of the penalty kill, and he cannot be worse defensively than Jagr already is. Move Drury to the wing, forget about JJ, and bring some serious D men in here.

  117. Nasty here,

    Just sending everyone a nice hello. I too am sick of waiting for something to happen. Something needs to happen soon. It is going to be interesting. I was at the Pearl Jam concert last night. I have seen them 7 times now and last night was definitely top 2 live performances I have ever seen. The let’s go rangers chant at the end of daughter was awesome. I hope everyone is well. I saw Sean Avery in the city before the Coldplay show and don’t count him out of being a ranger next year just yet. I know lots of you could care less what happens to him. I for one just watched the Devils Series from this year over again over the last few days and I want him back. You can say his disappeared after that round all you want, but without him in the lineup I don’t think we win that series. Plain and simple. it’s more than one player stepping up in a series, it is a whole team, and we didn’t have that from our team this past playoffs. Anyway, I guess we will all know soon enough.

  118. Once again, I will start by letting you all know that you have a bajillion times too much time on your hands.

    Here’s the good first… Now there can be no confusion as to which Dubie I am referring to. Regardless of the ‘e’ at the end.

    Here’s my beef. Particularly one poster who keeps insulting others and even telling someone to jump off a bridge. Seriously, are you retarded? That’s the first part. Secondly, we are ALL Rangers fans. Some of us see things differently and so what? There is nothing wrong with some healthy debate, if you disagree with someone, make a counterpoint, don’t tell someone to jump off a bridge.

    I think it was a mistake to sign Drury to a gigantic contract, does that make me a person bad enough to deserve to be dead? I don’t think so.

    Everyone here wants to win, some people want to win now and others want to build. If everybody agreed about everything, these blogs would be awfully boring. Again, we are all Rangers fans and want to see the team succeed. So grow up.

  119. czechthemout!!!! on

    What the fkuc is wrong with so many of you knowledgable fans? Where is your gratitude? Where is your loyalty? I’m reading so many of you pinning for Sundin,a 37 goingon 38 year old career Leaf,looking for one more big score before riding of into the sunset.This has been,is going to get at least 7million two of wich will be deffered to next year.Jagr,probably the same.That will be at least 4million in dead cap money next season.This is just like Shanny”sacrafice”last year.Now we have 2.8million in dead cap space,wich incidently is about 500k less than what is probably going to take to sign Avery.Avery is a major contributor to this teams success.In fact one can argue that with out him,we would NOT HAVE MADE THE PLAYOFFS the last two years.Yet so many here are now trying to down play his contribution,calling him injury prone,nothing more than a pest,one dope called him a detrement to them,and bunch of other bullshit.Many here continue to say that he is looking for 4million a number,denied by Sather himself.There is only one scenario in wich I would not sign Avery,and that is if we go full out with a youth movement,otherwise,he is an asset that can be moved at the deadline for a prospect and a draft pick should this team suck.The roght move is to say goodbye to Jagr,say no to Sundin,bring in Ryder,Orpik,Liles/Streit and some of teh kids from the Pack like Korpi,Byers,Anisimov,Sags when ready.

  120. we needed avery because we had soft players that were old. Our young guys are tough and play with an edge. Why overpay for avery when his use in the future is limited? Sathet holds the upper hand since avery needs NYC more than the rangers need him. I want avery back and I think he can help us out, but thanks to overpaid contracts to other guys, we can’t spend much more money on him or we are going to be a carbon copy of last year. Good, but nowhere near good enough.

  121. and last point about drury. I like the guy and he’s better than salty will give him credit for, but no way he’s the fifth best center in the league. In the salary cap era it has to be about numbers, production, and money since we are only allowed to spend a certain amount. I think where some of you are taking this the wrong way is by thinking us saying he’s overpaid meaning he isn’t physically helping our team. Without the cap, I wouldn’t care about the contract because I know we can get FAs anyway and drury does add an element to the team that makes us better. But since we do have the cap, we have to measure his contract by performance since we could be spreading that money out to other guys who are vital to helping us get a cup. So once again its not that we don’t want or like him, but rather do to the rules of the cap, he’s not worth what he’s making (which is not his fault so I blame sather and not chris because he’s trying hard to live up to the deal).

  122. You can’t look at it as Drury should be the fifth best center in the league just cause he is paid the fifth highest amount. If everyone’s contracts expired at the exact same time and every player was available to sign, sure that makes since.

    However, that isn’t reality. The reality was that the Rangers had the opportunity to add a premier center and they weren’t the only ones bidding. So, in a rising cap period they signed Drury for probably a little more than he’s worth.

    Since he hasn’t finished his contract, its impossible to say whether that was a good deal or not. Truthfully, someone on here, NaCl, is gonna have to blow him if the Rangers win the Cup during his time here – since thats all that matters to this particular poster.

    You can talk all you want about how we could have signed this player or that in the future but thats all speculation. Last summer the Rangers had the opportunity to sign two premier centers, they did. If you think we grossly overpaid Drury and he sucks, why wouldn’t you think that some other teams won’t overpay the so called premium future free agents like Hossa or Kovalchuk? Look at it this way, the team could have resigned Nylander and been out bid on the “good” free agents for the next five years – where would that leave us, no where. I personally think Drury will give us a good chance to win.

    No one on here gives Drury any credit for being a good defensive player or a good face off guy. Yeah, there’s guys like Briere that scores more goals but they also manages to be on the ice for a ton of goals, mitigating that skill. I can think of two players, MacTavish and Carbonneau, who made careers out being clutch in the face off circle. Incidentally, they are coaches now.

    Face it, when you look at the overall package Drury brings to a team, he doesn’t suck and he’s not going anywhere so be more positive.

  123. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    He does suck, but I guess we’ll just deal with it. 3rd Line center expected to perform like a top center….nobody could fill those shoes month matter how hard they worked or wanted to fulfill expectations!! And so I guess I feel bad for Drury because its not his fault, and he’s gonna take a lot of heat in this cap era for Sathers mistake.

  124. Without the cap, I wouldn’t care about the contract because I know we can get FAs anyway and drury does add an element to the team that makes us better. But since we do have the cap, we have to measure his contract by performance since we could be spreading that money out to other guys who are vital to helping us get a cup. So once again its not that we don’t want or like him, but rather do to the rules of the cap, he’s not worth what he’s making (which is not his fault so I blame sather and not chris because he’s trying hard to live up to the deal).

    ……..

    Well said. You should be my lawyer.

  125. “But since we do have the cap, we have to measure his contract by performance since we could be spreading that money out to other guys who are vital to helping us get a cup. ”

    I agree too. But the key word there is ‘performance’. It would all depend on how you define ‘performance’. Is it production(#’s)? Is it a rookie showing potential? Is it waving your stick in front of a goalies face? Is it being nominated for trophies but never actually winning anything? Is it having a well-rounded game and being someone that you can count on late in games? Is it being a former Hart/Art Ross winner and a future HOF’er?

    I would define it as a little bit of all those things(and then some). That’s what makes it so difficult for these guys to come to terms on contracts. And to value someone’s worth afterwards.

    I wouldn’t say that Drury is a top 5 center in the league either, that’s crazy talk. BUT…he is one of the most COMPLETE (package) players in the game. And I’m pretty sure that’s where he makes his $.

    Why oh why did I start the day talking about Chris Drury!? I hope there’s something else to talk about today. How about Zipay hearing that Bouwmeester wants out of FLA? Prucha/toots/1st rnd pick to FLA…

  126. “Avery is a major contributor to this teams success.In fact one can argue that with out him,we would NOT HAVE MADE THE PLAYOFFS the last two years.”

    I’ll argue that. You can make that case for Hank, Jags, Gomer, etc… I’m pretty sure without Hank we woulda missed too. It takes a team to make it, something Avery has NO F’n clue about. “It’s all about the Moolah Doolah.”

  127. hockeymanrangers # 2 on

    My thoughts are to go ahead and let Jag’s walk, and try bringing in Sudin. Like someone else has said he carried Toronto on his back all season last year it seems like he gives 110% the entire season. I’m sorry, even though how much I love Jags I just think Sundin MIGHT be able to kick some butt where Jags tries to kick butt with his stick but he can’t anymore. Some of you are giving Jags to much credit he is a good person and yes he probably is a threat on SOME days but I just don’t see a reason to resign him. Oh and with out a doubt Shanny must go. Ok that said let’s see how I feel tomorrow about it, might be different. HA HA

  128. hockeymanrangers # 2 on

    Oh! One more thing Chris Drury kicks butt. He does so much for this team, more than many of you fans can imagine.

  129. There is a reason Drury got 7.05m/y. He rejected around 6 from Buffalo, and there were rumors the Piles offered him around 7.5+… market value can be a pain on the cap, but I’m glad we have Drury for a while. He’s a pure winner. Put some wingers with talent with him, and it’s a solid line. He’s not a playmaker. He’s a net crasher.

  130. True Fans Bleed RW&B
    June 25th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
    He does suck, but I guess we’ll just deal with it. 3rd Line center expected to perform like a top center….nobody could fill those shoes month matter how hard they worked or wanted to fulfill expectations!! And so I guess I feel bad for Drury because its not his fault, and he’s gonna take a lot of heat in this cap era for Sathers mistake.

    Ummm…this post is bad…
    if you haven’t noticed he is definitely not a 3rd line center…he is on the Rangers for some stupid reason, but he is NOT a 3rd line center. Let me tell you why…
    Last summer Sather took what I thought was a good step, in changing our team from a post lock out Jagr crew that was soft but skilled to a Gomez, Drury crew and added more youth and alot more grit and heart…however…Jagr was still here, pushing some of the buttons and playing his style with players who haven’t played that before…
    So really Sathers move caused two totally different styles of hockey to collide and Renney was left to pick up the pieces, buy playing Dubinski 1st line and by moving Gomez to 2nd line center and Drury to 3rd.
    What Renney should have done is made Gomez 1st, Drury 2nd and Avery/Dubinski/Jagr should have been line 3. Dubinski handled it well and definitely rose to the occasion…he is easy in the top 2 of our youth movement, but Dubinski is gonna have some high expectations riding on his shoulders next season…we all expect it. Remember last september Dubinski was gonna be our 3rd line center or 4th…
    The bottom line is next season our top three centers should look like this…and Drury is number 2.
    Gomez, Drury, Dubinski, Betts…if that means no Jagr…Avery…Straka….I say Good! Lets get on with it!

  131. Let me add this…off topic tid-bit and let me know what you think…
    The fact that Sather has not signed Sjostrom tells me Sathers head is in fact so far up his own ass…
    Sjostrom was great, he is a rock solid 4th line player who is young…and prob will mature into a great third line player…to let him slip away is assinine

  132. Speed Ranger on

    The Hockey News reports today that Sundin is in Montreal today having a chat with Habs GM.

  133. When I originally read all the talk of Sundin, I immediately hated it. Right off the bat, two things came to my mind.

    1) Here we go again. Adding another overaged veteran to the club.

    2) How does signing another center even remotely make sense for this hockey club. The team spent 14 million dollars to have the Drury.Gomez 1-2 punch down the middle. Are they going to bury one of them on the 3rd line now? Not too even mention Brandon Dubinsky!

    Today I sat down, and broke it all down at lunch. Here’s what I came up with.

    I guess the rumors have some validity. They keep popping up all over the place and it was even speculated he might come over here last season. Top that off with the fact that it makes no sense, I think this one might actually happen…Here’s why. Under the new Salary cap, GM’s have to become really creative. Meaning, there are going to be certain areas where to have to plug in stop-gap’s. With that said, via free agency the wingers available are going to be totally overpaid in this particular class. Supply and demand and the increase in the new cap is definitely going to drive their values through the roof. So, two things will have to happen in order for the Rangers to be able to compete in this years class.

    1) Look for players that want to be here, for proximity to their respective homes etc.

    2) Look for players that might take less salary than they will receive elsewhere to play here.

    Over the past week there have been some very interesting rumors involving the Rangers, and their plans for the offseason. Two names have been mentioned by more than one site, and after the NHL Entry draft the rumors really heated up. The two names were Brian Cambell and Mats Sundin.

    Cambell to me is a no-brainer. My opinion of him is that he is the premier offensive defenseman in the game today…and maybe the best skater in the league to boot! The Rangers certainly have a need for an offensive defenseman, and this guy fits the bill. The guy would totally boost the power play, and for an offensive defenseman Cambell is also an excellent open ice hitter. His physical game is very underrated. Anyone remember the hit he threw two seasons ago against Umberger in the playoffs? So, while Cambell might not be the intimidating player that say Orpik is, he isn’t any less physical than the rest of the NY Rangers…and with the exception of maybe Tyutin, he might be the best hitter on the club, again… if he comes here. He also has stated publicly that he wants to play for a northeast team. Apparantly, he wants to be closer to home for something that has to do with his wife’s family which is in the Northeast, I believe in NY. Anyway, he also has the connetion with Chris Drury, who apparently was best friends with Cambell in the Buffalo years.

    Mat’s Sundin is now heavily rumored to the Rangers. When I originally saw this, I was taken back some. Why would the Rangers add another center? Why would they add a guy that is 36 years old? Makes no sense right? Then I broke it down a little more, and the in the end I think I know what the Rangers thinking was when they leaked info about bringing him over. In the end, I don’t love it, but…I think this might be a somewhat inexpensive way to put a winning product on the ice for a season or two until the next crop of Rangers are ready to make their way into the NHL. The next crop being Sanguinetti, Cherepanov, Anisimov, Gratchev, and Del Zotto. Sundin is a monster. 6’5”, 235lbs. At the end of the season last year, Renney was quoted as saying he thinks the team could benefit from having a little more size up front. Pearn was quoted as saying the team needs some veteran leadership on the Blueline, and a PP QB. Based off of those comments, and the Rangers refusal to either draft, or sign a physical blueliner for the system I think this might be what they have in mind.

    If indeed it does happen, I think this is what the Rangers will look like next season. I highly doubt that the Rangers would consider bringing him on board if they weren’t going to re-sign Jaromir Jagr. If Sundin was to come here, IMO it is specifically to center Jagr. Thinking the two will play the same puck control game that Jagr and Nylander did. The only difference…Sundin is much bigger than Nylander was. I believe he’s like 6’5″ 230lbs!… and he still posses similar puck control skills that Nylander did. So, let’s take a look at this. If he was to come over here, you now have 2 very important pieces to your top line. The problem is now find a left wing for the duo, and for the Rangers now with no lack of size up front, I think Nigel Dawes might be that guy. Dawes is a great shooter. Imagine how he would do buzzing around the ice with guys like Jagr and Sundin setting the guy up? He could be a cheap alternative to complete the first line. He would have plenty of room out there to get free, and again, his shot is very underrated. I think if given the chance with these two Dawes has his first 30 goal season at the NHL level.

    Next is where to put Dubinsky? I keep saying this all along too. Dubinsky, IMO would make an excellent left wing for Gomez. Why? The guy is obviously a big body, and he can bang in the corners, and chase down loose pucks. Plus…he is a solid skater who can keep up with the play with Gomez. With that said, why not give the guy a shot on Scotty’s wing. Let them learn each others game, let them create some chemistry. I think with both scenerio’s here, you have two layers that are so good, that whoever plays the opposite wing can be somewhat interchangeable. Maybe Korpikoski, or Sjostrom? Either way, you certainly add speed there, and both players are also defensively responsible.

    Leave the shutdown duties to Drury, and maybe acclimate him to Sjostrom who IMO should be bumped up for the 4th line. Toss Cally on the other side.

    Here’s the lineup

    Total Cap Hit

    Dawes ($1.1) Sundin ($5.) Jagr ($5.) $11.

    Dubinsky (.63) Gomez (7.3) Korpikoski (.650) $8.58

    Callahan (.575) Drury (7.) Sjostrom (1.1) $8.67

    Prucha (1.6) Betts (.615) Orr (.537) $2.752

    Staal (.827) Cambell (6.50) $7.3

    Tyutin (2.844) Girardi (1.55) $4.39

    Backman (2.3) Smith (2.15) $4.45

    Lundqvist (6.875) $6.875

    Valiquette (.875) $.750

    Total Salary $54.76

    Hollweg, and Sauer can be healthy scratches and both combined would still keep them under cap.

    Potentially it could work. The lineup lacks the big physical defenseman, but…Jason Smith could provide some leadership, and is certainly more physical than anyone else on the club. With Smith, think of a better version of Strudwick.

    In the end, the Rangers keep Jagr happy, and in NY for two more seasons. They add serious PP potential, and a slightly more physical defense than they employed the year before. There is one glaring weakness the team would lack and that is an agitator. In the end thouh, you have to figure out. What is a bigger area of concern? Getting a guy that can get under everyone’s skin, or bolster the PP, and get some size up front without losing speed? I think this is what the Rangers were thinking, and maybe the reason why the signed the kid out of Sweden. Supposedly he is the Swedish Sean Avery, and plays a very similar game…but with a much cheaper pricetag.

  134. you’d need to pay Campbell at least 7mill$+

    and Jason Smith probably in the 3.6 range of Cory Sarich or 4.5 of Scott Hannan

    which would probably bust the team through the cap a bit…but nice move overall

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