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		<title>By: operationcleansweep</title>
		<link>http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/06/22/conditioning-camp-roster-set/#comment-90107</link>
		<dc:creator>operationcleansweep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>enough about the avery stats..give me a break..the guy will miss at least 30 games a yr..he is a headcase..we do not need him more than he needs us..i want campbell and orpik..we need two defensemen..can someone pls send jessiman back to the roller hockey league..guy is horrendous</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>enough about the avery stats..give me a break..the guy will miss at least 30 games a yr..he is a headcase..we do not need him more than he needs us..i want campbell and orpik..we need two defensemen..can someone pls send jessiman back to the roller hockey league..guy is horrendous</p>
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		<title>By: Beer Me!</title>
		<link>http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/06/22/conditioning-camp-roster-set/#comment-90105</link>
		<dc:creator>Beer Me!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See that&#039;s the thing with Jags and Avery...that there&#039;s a CHANCE that either Avery could become a cancer, or jags could further decline.  OR worse, wait even longer to get his head out of his ass and play the f&#039;n game EVERY NIGHT.  

If you can eliminate risks like that, you&#039;re far better off.  Unless you&#039;re a gambling man and willing to subject developing talent to that type of thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See that&#8217;s the thing with Jags and Avery&#8230;that there&#8217;s a CHANCE that either Avery could become a cancer, or jags could further decline.  OR worse, wait even longer to get his head out of his ass and play the f&#8217;n game EVERY NIGHT.  </p>
<p>If you can eliminate risks like that, you&#8217;re far better off.  Unless you&#8217;re a gambling man and willing to subject developing talent to that type of thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Colorado Mark</title>
		<link>http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/06/22/conditioning-camp-roster-set/#comment-90104</link>
		<dc:creator>Colorado Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LI JOE- Agreed (although my name is Mark, and as much as my parents were hockey fans, I can&#039;t claim that I was named after Mess!). He was a great traded superstar and I agree with Salty that Fleury played as advertised until his demons caught up with him. I felt that Fleury was always entertaining and he at least gave a damn when most of the others on the team didn&#039;t. My point on Jagr is this:

Yes, it may be time to let him go, but the guy produced pretty regularly from the time he was acquired onward. Yeah, his numbers were down this year, but so were everyone elses on the team. He was a great quote, who always told you how he felt and not the standard insert-cliche-here comment. He helped us back to respectability and pretty much was the focal point of the other teams strategy whether he deserved it or not. He could single handedly control a game and dominate at times (and there aren&#039;t many players who can do this at all, let alone on a regular basis.) The team will miss him. Whether other will step up remains to be seen.

Drury and Avery both added more to the team than stats will show. Drury is probably overpaid, but he will have a lasting impact on future players. Avery gave us an edge, but with a player like that you have to wonder if his &quot;magic&quot; will eventually disappear and he wears out his welcome? I hope he&#039;s matured and I hope that there isn&#039;t a major problem with him in the lockerroom as has been rumored. I have a feeling that if he is not resigned, it will have nothing to do with money, it will be because he has lost the respect of his coaches and teammates. I&#039;m not saying that all teams need to get along perfectly, but if a guy is a cancer, you have to cut him out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LI JOE- Agreed (although my name is Mark, and as much as my parents were hockey fans, I can&#8217;t claim that I was named after Mess!). He was a great traded superstar and I agree with Salty that Fleury played as advertised until his demons caught up with him. I felt that Fleury was always entertaining and he at least gave a damn when most of the others on the team didn&#8217;t. My point on Jagr is this:</p>
<p>Yes, it may be time to let him go, but the guy produced pretty regularly from the time he was acquired onward. Yeah, his numbers were down this year, but so were everyone elses on the team. He was a great quote, who always told you how he felt and not the standard insert-cliche-here comment. He helped us back to respectability and pretty much was the focal point of the other teams strategy whether he deserved it or not. He could single handedly control a game and dominate at times (and there aren&#8217;t many players who can do this at all, let alone on a regular basis.) The team will miss him. Whether other will step up remains to be seen.</p>
<p>Drury and Avery both added more to the team than stats will show. Drury is probably overpaid, but he will have a lasting impact on future players. Avery gave us an edge, but with a player like that you have to wonder if his &#8220;magic&#8221; will eventually disappear and he wears out his welcome? I hope he&#8217;s matured and I hope that there isn&#8217;t a major problem with him in the lockerroom as has been rumored. I have a feeling that if he is not resigned, it will have nothing to do with money, it will be because he has lost the respect of his coaches and teammates. I&#8217;m not saying that all teams need to get along perfectly, but if a guy is a cancer, you have to cut him out.</p>
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		<title>By: Salty (Carlin Memorial Edition)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Salty (Carlin Memorial Edition)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fleury was great in NY too until it was revealed that he was sucking the glass cawk...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fleury was great in NY too until it was revealed that he was sucking the glass cawk&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: LI Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>LI Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colorado - your namesake was pretty successful in ny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colorado &#8211; your namesake was pretty successful in ny</p>
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		<title>By: True Fans Bleed RW&#38;B</title>
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		<dc:creator>True Fans Bleed RW&#38;B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>71 points, 
82 games (on a &quot;healthy&quot; shoulder), 
+8 rating. 

Is that success Doodie??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>71 points, <br />
82 games (on a &#8220;healthy&#8221; shoulder), <br />
+8 rating. </p>
<p>Is that success Doodie??</p>
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		<title>By: True Fans Bleed RW&#38;B</title>
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		<dc:creator>True Fans Bleed RW&#38;B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truefans, you could not be more wrong about the final 20-30 games of the season. Both years, Jagr literally carried the team on his back (along with Hank). Just look at his game-by-game point totals. 
..........

So why were the Rangers a bubble team this year [between 8th-10 place], before Avery came back?! Where was Jagr and your savior Drury then? And why too were the Rangers in 10th place last year when Avery was aquired? Why is it that the Rangers have a 50-20-10 record with Avery in the lineup? Was Jagr also the one who got Kovalchuk, Brodeur, and Tkachuk off of their games in those first round series?

Doodie, here&#039;s why you&#039;re a hypocrite, because you talk all this nonsense about &quot;look what else Drury does in addition to scoring points!&quot; but you can&#039;t see what else Avery has done. I never said Avery had the best playoff points performance in the playoffs! However, if you look at what else Avery did against Atl last year and the Devils this year, he may have been the most influential Ranger in both series. Sorry man.

There is also an uncanny coincidence for when the Rangers started winning streaks and when Avery was aquired and/or in the lineups...both late in the seasons.

I couldn&#039;t be more wrong...than you are, compadre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truefans, you could not be more wrong about the final 20-30 games of the season. Both years, Jagr literally carried the team on his back (along with Hank). Just look at his game-by-game point totals. <br />
..........</p>
<p>So why were the Rangers a bubble team this year [between 8th-10 place], before Avery came back?! Where was Jagr and your savior Drury then? And why too were the Rangers in 10th place last year when Avery was aquired? Why is it that the Rangers have a 50-20-10 record with Avery in the lineup? Was Jagr also the one who got Kovalchuk, Brodeur, and Tkachuk off of their games in those first round series?</p>
<p>Doodie, here&#8217;s why you&#8217;re a hypocrite, because you talk all this nonsense about &#8220;look what else Drury does in addition to scoring points!&#8221; but you can&#8217;t see what else Avery has done. I never said Avery had the best playoff points performance in the playoffs! However, if you look at what else Avery did against Atl last year and the Devils this year, he may have been the most influential Ranger in both series. Sorry man.</p>
<p>There is also an uncanny coincidence for when the Rangers started winning streaks and when Avery was aquired and/or in the lineups&#8230;both late in the seasons.</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t be more wrong&#8230;than you are, compadre.</p>
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		<title>By: vogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>vogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doodie:

I think Avery is still a bit immature and maybe signing a UFA deal this summer will calm him down.  For the past two seasons he has tried to prove himself, I say give the guy a chance.  

Besides, he was playing injured vs. Pittsburgh, not a fair assessment of his game while playing with a punctured spleen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doodie:</p>
<p>I think Avery is still a bit immature and maybe signing a UFA deal this summer will calm him down.  For the past two seasons he has tried to prove himself, I say give the guy a chance.  </p>
<p>Besides, he was playing injured vs. Pittsburgh, not a fair assessment of his game while playing with a punctured spleen.</p>
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		<title>By: Beer Me!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beer Me!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>funny you should say that doodie. I just read Fischler&#039;s blog at msg.com and he stated something along the lines of - the rangers got him for basically nothing cause no one else wanted the headache, and to let him walk, you&#039;re not losing that much.  

Also, in brooksy&#039;s artcile yesterday, he talked about jags and the team knowing that there&#039;s other discussions other than dollars and cents.  Along the lines of...&#039;we&#039;re not going out and buying guys you want to play with&#039;.  Moreso, &#039;this is the system, want to play it?&#039;

Although we don&#039;t know the outcome of ANY of this yet, I DO like the teams approach this off-season.  They seriously look like they&#039;ve identified what needs to be done.  It just a matter of pulling it off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>funny you should say that doodie. I just read Fischler&#8217;s blog at msg.com and he stated something along the lines of &#8211; the rangers got him for basically nothing cause no one else wanted the headache, and to let him walk, you&#8217;re not losing that much.  </p>
<p>Also, in brooksy&#8217;s artcile yesterday, he talked about jags and the team knowing that there&#8217;s other discussions other than dollars and cents.  Along the lines of&#8230;&#8217;we&#8217;re not going out and buying guys you want to play with&#8217;.  Moreso, &#8216;this is the system, want to play it?&#8217;</p>
<p>Although we don&#8217;t know the outcome of ANY of this yet, I DO like the teams approach this off-season.  They seriously look like they&#8217;ve identified what needs to be done.  It just a matter of pulling it off.</p>
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		<title>By: vogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>vogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Callahan, Dawes, Dubinsky, Moore, Gomez, Drury, Avery, Jagr, Betts, Sjostrom, Orr, Hollweg, Prucha and maybe Shanahan will be back.  

This team would have the same problem as last season, no size, no grit up front outside of Avery, Hollweg and Orr.

Our scorers have no size and no umph on the ice. 

It would be nice to have Niklas Hagman, Dan Cleary or Jason Chimera to add some muscle up front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Callahan, Dawes, Dubinsky, Moore, Gomez, Drury, Avery, Jagr, Betts, Sjostrom, Orr, Hollweg, Prucha and maybe Shanahan will be back.  </p>
<p>This team would have the same problem as last season, no size, no grit up front outside of Avery, Hollweg and Orr.</p>
<p>Our scorers have no size and no umph on the ice. </p>
<p>It would be nice to have Niklas Hagman, Dan Cleary or Jason Chimera to add some muscle up front.</p>
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