It’s up to you, Lauri Korpikoski

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For the second consecutive year, Tom Renney will toss an untested rookie into an elimination game at the Garden.

If last year it was Nigel Dawes looking to jumpstart the Rangers offense in Game 6 against Buffalo, tonight it will be Lauri Korpikoski needed simply to plug one of the many holes caused by injury.

The latest on your bruised and battered Rangers is as follows:

<li>Korpikoski will skate at fourth line for Blair Betts, who will need to have orbital surgery on his left eye– the same procedure that Paul Mara had in February — and is out for at least the series and most likely the season. It will be the NHL debut for Korpikoski, the 19th overall pick in the 2004 draft who spent most of the season at wing before switching to center in the final few months.

Korpikoski was in attendance for the Rangers’ Game 3 loss on Tuesday.

“I got chills at the start. The crowd is pretty amazing,” he said. “I was hoping I would get the chance to play here. It was great.”

<li>Chris Drury (torso) skated briefly this morning and appeared to be holding back on some of his shots. But Tom Renney expects the center to skate in warm-ups and is optimistic Drury can play. “It’s looking good,” Renney said. Either way, Renney will skate one extra player in warm-ups.

<li>Expect Jason Strudwick to go in for Christian Backman. Renney said that’s where he was leaning, and seeing how Backman stayed on the ice for more skating after the regulars were gone, it appears to be a lock.

<li>No word on who goes in for Sean Avery. Petr Prucha, Ryan Hollweg, and Colton Orr all left the ice with the rest of the regulars, so all are possibilities.

<li>Avery is still in stable condition in the intensive care unit at St. Vincent’s Medical Center. Brendan Shanahan was among the players who visited the wing yesterday, and Renney said he was planning to go there on his way to the Garden today.

More later…

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  1. u cant play hollweig or orr. we need to score this game not fight or take boarding penalties

  2. This has disaster written all over it. I will be hoping from sec. 306 though that the boys can pull out a miracle and make history!!

  3. Hollweg and Orr should not touch the ice for the remainder of this series. Too much of a liability, and neither has anything positive to add.

    Bring in Prucha, see if he can shake off the rust (3rd line) and add some offensive force to this team.

  4. So from what Dellapina wrote on his blog today are we all to take it that his original story about Avery suffering cardiac arrest is true and that the Rangers are spinning?

    Just curious.

  5. Put Prucha on line with Jags and Dubi….please!

    Straka cant finish for shit….he had 20 chances on tuesday….

  6. Remember when we had a PP RW that used to hit the corners too? I remember.

    So glad it’s Korpi going in tonight.

    Also glad that Struds will most likely play his last game as a Ranger on MSG ice. If our youth is even the slightest bit … efficeint … there should be no need for Struds on the roster next year. Good luck strudsy.

  7. I’m really, really glad Korpikoski’s getting the shot at 4th line center over Moore or Hollweg. He deserves it.

  8. Prucha has to play. Period.

    I find myself strangely fired up for this game. I didn’t expect to feel this way. This series is far from over.

  9. Please, no Orr and PLEASE,PLEASE no Holewegg…there is literally no upside to having him in the line up…he brings nothing to the table…

  10. dr. ogrodnick on

    Brandon: (cont. from last post)

    Renney has no control over how Lundy plays, and not all 5 goals are soft. renney does control what players are out on the ice given the situation. Since you didn’t actually refute any of my points, I assume you have nothing to say. If you can’t realize that the Hollweg penalty was a major turning point in the game, then you shouldn’t be on here pretending you have hockey knowledge.

  11. Sean – you’re totally right… I just read Dellapina’s blog for the 1st time ever to see what he said, and he DOES sound like he’s trying to defend his original story. What a complete hack.

  12. here’s an excerpt of the Avery part of his blog:

    Finally, for all those from other media outlets and newspapers who have sarcastically dismissed our initial web story about Sean Avery’s hospitalization since the Rangers refuted it Wednesday afternoon, I wonder:
    Was your initial reaction that the story couldn’t have been correct or did you simply race up to the MSG Training Center to get player reaction? And, did you call the hospital and/or Avery’s representatives to get the real story or did your “reporting” simply consist of taking the team’s word for what happened?
    Fortunately, the intrepid men an women of the press who have exposed baseball’s steroid problems didn’t similarly regurgitate what they were told by people who understandably want their businesses viewed as beyond reproach.

  13. Liquid, we can’t say that yet. Krog is in his 30s. Parenteau played 5 NHL games for Chicago (only games he played in the NHL) and had a point… and this is pre-Kane, pre-Toews Chicago. Why not give him a shot? He worked his butt off in Hartford instead of moping because he was traded and deserves a chance.. same with Hutchinson.

  14. ThisYearsModel on

    Sam:

    Would there truly be a reason for the Rangers to cover up what actually happened to Avery? If it was only a lacerated spleen, why is he still in intensive care and only in stable condition? I would expect him to be in fair or good condition by now (yes, I am a healthcare professional). This entire episode seems odd.

  15. Who Needs Lohan on

    REPOST

    May 1st, 2008 at 11:43 am
    Salty….I was actually being serious….kinda!
    I mean the series isnt over til the 4th game is won so lets stop talking about next year. We have an entire summer to do that right? So win your two home games and win one road game. Its doable right? I just dont want to talk about this like its over til its over. Do you hear Doodie’s mom singing?

  16. So what could the possible lines be tonight?
    Strak-Dubi-Jagr –
    That seems set and has worked, if Straka gets half the chances he did in Game 3 and buries them we may be still in this thing yet
    Avery-Gomer-Shanny-
    No Avery so does Pruch’s take his slot?
    Cally-Drury-Dawes –
    IF Drury Plays, I’d Love to see him get an assist or a goal, who knows how really hurt he is, but Mr. Clutch could still make a difference
    Sjoestrom-Korpi-Orr? – PLEASE Hollwegg may feel bad about the other night, but he shoudl NOT be in this game, we dont need him. I’d rather see ORR who can at least keep his checks in the legal end of things

    LETS GO RANGERS

  17. Hollweg penalty was 100% the turning point of the game….Its too bad though because the Pens power play had around 5-10 ticks left before it woulda been over which may have worked in our favor for some more momentum….Callahan & Rozisval got caught on the ice for almost the entire 2 minutes. The puck passed to Malkin was deflected to him….He just shot the puck flat footed and it hit the post and went into the net…

    Prior to that, Gomez hit the post dead freakin on that would have CRUMBLED the building from the amount of energy of a 4-3 lead….

    Sometimes its just a game of inches….In this series so far, every game has been just that with unlucky bounces, deflections, etc.

  18. Lauri….

    Reminds me of the remark someone in the blues shouted down to Laurie Boschmann who was on the MAple Leafs I think at the time:

    “Hey Laurie, what’s your wife’s name — Milt??”

  19. dr ogrodnick

    What Hollweg did was what every other team does to us and gets away with. Holly should be blamed for his stupidity, but not the stupidity of shoving the guy down, rather the stupidity of not realizing he’s wearing the Rangers uni and will get called for it.

  20. I shaved, let’s hope it helps in to a win on the ice tonight. I posted a picture on the beard site. LGR!

  21. I am very hopeful for a win tonight, but putting that aside, I haven’t been more sad about the Rangers since the ’92 loss to Pittsburgh. That team should have gone further, and so should this one.

    How have things gone so wrong here so quickly?? Down 3-0. Avery in the hospital. Betts out for the year. Jagr potentially playing in his last game after all he’s done for this team. I’m grateful that the Rangers are a respectable team again, but with that comes the pain of unfulfilled expectations. This has been tough to deal with. I really hope they can pull out a W tonight for the home crowd.

    LGR!

  22. Who Needs Lohan on

    One thing that seems fishy to me…..

    I am not a doctor and anyone here that knows for sure please correct me, but from what research I have done I believe that Spleen Lacerations are rated on a scale of 1 to 5. Why no mention of this? Maybe I am creating something out of nothing but it isnt that unbelievable that something is being covered up….

    Again, I dont believe this, just sayin….

  23. In all of this, I totally forgot the game is on Vs. tonight. BARFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  24. I don’t know…but I heard that Avery actually DID go into cardiac arrest. It happend right after he got a invitation to Marty Broduer’s Summer BBQ.

    too early for jokes?

  25. KPH,

    get used to it. IT comes with the territory of being a NY fan. We dont get the loser Lesters, Bucholz, Masterson Pedroias, Lowries etc to perform for us. We get the highly touted Hughes pitching like a little leaguer and off to the DL he goes. How did the Yanks lose a 3-0 lead so quickly, a 4 pitch walk to a loser who you could easily replace with Roberts. Same old, Same old.

  26. Thought for you guys to discuss.

    Next year Ilya Kovalchuk is a free agent. The guy will be 26 and has proven he can singlehandedly win games. How do you guys feel about saving up a lot of our money next season and just playing with the guys that we have and going after him in the next season? He’s consistently in the top of the league in goals and points and he plays for a shitty team so he doesn’t show up every night. When Atlanta was still in the race he was putting up amazing numbers. Not to mention there were a few games when he just took over.

    Example was early this year when Ottawa was rolling, they were down 5-0 going into the 3rd and with less than 8 minutes left he scored 3 goals and assisted on another and hit the post twice in the final minute before Alfredsson won it. The next night he put up 3 more goals and let the Thrash to a victory. Him with Gomez could be a thing of beauty.

  27. Sam,

    I think the last post on Jagr is one of the most powerful and eloquent things you’ve written (that I’ve read at least). Well done. I haven’t been much of a Jagr fan this season… felt he was “mailing it in” or at the very least was harboring some animosity for his “diminished role with the team”. But sometimes you have to take a step back and view things from a different perspective.

    Good job.

  28. I forgot to say that if he played for the Rangers, who should be in contention for awhile now, he would have a reason to go out there and show up every night.

  29. Was Hollweg’s penalty terrible, yes. Was it a turning point in the game, yes. Does that mean if Peter Prucha is in the game we win? No, absolutely not.

    A real problem is that our once aggressive power play is a shell of itself now as a passive box, which is why the Pens get so many opportunities and seem to score every time we’re in the box. We should have killed that pp off, and then it’s still the same game.

    I continunally refute you because all of your comments site Renney as the problem and issue. Hollweg actually was skating quite well and playing very physical up until that point. Renney didn’t get inside his pants and force his body to hit someone from behind.

    Not every play points back to the coach. For that reason, I’ll continue to refute you as you continue to site Renney for all our problems.

    Which is why I asked, was it Renney’s fault Hank let in 5 goals on 17 shots? If it’s Renney’s fault Hollywood took the penalty, then it’s Renney’s fault Hank let those goals in.

    You can’t pick and choose your plays you want to blame the coach on.

  30. Why would they cover it up? The only reason to cover an injury is if they think he is going to get into a game and they don’t want the opposition to know how badly hurt he is. He isn’t getting into a game so why lie?

  31. Brandon – 100000000% man. But you’re wasting your time trying to explain it. It’s a lost cause.

    The only people that have to understand it, and thankfully do, is slats and dolan.

  32. Who Needs Lohan on

    Sam (not Weinman),
    You may be the most negative person to ever exist on this planet. I couldnt think of anything worse than watching a sporting event with you. You could blame the coach, the weather, the playing surface, the refs, God, the mayor of the city of the opposing team, the commentators and so on before you could actually just admit that in a sporting event one team or person wins and the other loses. Instead you have to be a raging prick about everything. Id rather shake Jarko Ruutu’s hand than yours right now.

  33. Anyone going to the game tonight?

    Ag is going!

    oh the last sign I put up she added make history to it! now that she is going he is gonna keep that sign and hold it up or tie it on a railing!

  34. Thanks Beer Me. I suppose that will be the end of my rant then.

    It’s easy to point the finger at the coach when you’re down. Anyone can do that.

  35. 1. John Dellapina is an excellent reporter. I happen to agree with what he stated on his blog, which is, in essence, that given the circumstances it would be irresponsible journalism to simply rehash the Rangers press release. His point, I assume, was not that anyone was lying but that it was incumbent on all reporters involved to seek out the story from every source possible.

    2. While I can see why many might feel the original story itself was irresponsible, I am SURE John had several good sources for what he was reporting. It’s not at all clear where this completely different information came from. But I will say it was interesting that the News actually broke the story BEFORE the reporters would have shown up to practice and before the Rangers released a statement.

    3. All of that aside, as a medical professional, I will say that if Avery had been “found” in cardiac arrest in his apartment his odds of surviving even getting to the Hospital would have been extremely slim. It depends on how long he was out for, but that initial report would most likely, at best, leave him in the ICU in some altered form of consciousness.

    3. And as for why he’s still in the ICU, why his condition hasn’t been upgraded, pretty simple. The spleen is a highly vascular organ, and also has no capsule of connective tissue around it. So a laceration – which is a cut, by the way – that is bleeding may bleed alot, and can easily start bleeding again. If I were Avery’s doctor, I’d keep him in the ICU for awhile too – if that thing re-bleeds, it can happen quickly, and if the bleeding really opens up, you want the guy in a very monitored setting where you immediately know if his blood pressure is dropping, his mental state is changing, etc. so that you can intervene quickly and you also have plenty of stuff at your disposal to deal with the problem. And I’m pretty sure that nobody in the ICU is ever listed as in “good” condition – that would mean you should be out of the ICU.

    Bottom line – I doubt we’re being lied to, especially since Dellapina has now spoken to several family members and between all the MD’s and spokespeople and family members involved, it would have to be a cover-up of behemoth proportions. I’m sure JDP had sources he felt comfortable going with initially. And I think Avery will be fine.

  36. Who Needs Lohan on

    We need BillY NYC to get out there and do an airplane dance, 911 times, take that jock off, oil it up, girl, bring it to pappa BOY, American Queer boy. Hope WE werent too rough with you at Rawhides, in CHelsea. Do you still walk Bolegged.

  37. again brandon…1000%

    I’ve been trying to explain it the entire season. Bottom line is: if it’s renney’s fault that hollweg took the penalty, then it’s his fault Jags broke rangers records 2 years ago, it’s his fault Hank has been nominated for 3 vezina’s. It just doesn’t work both ways.

  38. dr. ogrodnick on

    Brandon, reread my post. I am getting on Renney for having Hollweg out there at that particular point given the situation. A coach with decent game management skills would have never had Hollweg out in that situation. I never said Prucha should be in instead. Renney’s game management has been poor all season, and what I described was a shining example of that. It is what will always keep him a mediocre at best coach, and is why he won’t lead us to a cup.

  39. lohan I kind of agree I didnt want to bring it up until the season was officially over but I think something is up. I dont see how one story can be completly different then another. And still some stories say an ambulance was involved. Anyway no matter what it is I hope he recovers. And if they are covering something up we will know because there will be no contract for avery.

  40. Jock Sniffer on

    Billy NYC and Jorok ar illegal immigrants that left Canada and Habs inside/out for New York Gay bars and sites. This site is listed as a Queer is here site. Billy, your father spanked your ass, turned around and said “Do me now”.

  41. Sam (not Weinman) on

    In spite of all that Lohan, the refs, loser coaching like perry pearn, I always believe our team can win, even after blowing a 5 goal lead to the canadiens. Speaking of weather, that’s what helped cost the Yanks in 04. That rainout stopped our momentum and caused us to play the remaining game back to back. Such is life as a NY fan. Even the weather conspires agaisnt us

  42. Sidney Crosby's Mother on

    “I believe that Spleen Lacerations are rated on a scale of 1 to 5. Why no mention of this?”

    Privacy laws? CONSPIRACY THEORIST!?

  43. I wouldn’t read much into the still just stable condition thing either. After Ag’s first surgery she spent two days in SICU. Mostly so that she was closely monitored like a standard procedure type thing. Avery is being kept there because while reports are he is gonna be fine its still a serious injury that needs to be monitored.(like Peter just said)

  44. 1 More Year Jagr on

    I’m not going to lie and I don’t normally read JD’s blog bc he doesn’t update it as frequently as our man Sam here…but something is up and I truly believe the Rangers are hiding something. Its not news that Avery is a party animal. I love him to death, but something doesn’t seem right about this story. How would JD just say it was 3am in the morning?? You can’t get your facts that messed up if he “walked into the hospital at 11pm”? Sam I think some digging around would be awesome..but I think the organization is pretty tight-lipped.

  45. Sam (not Weinman) on

    joejoe, how can you not see. All these newspapers are losers. One of them, i think the daily news, employs mike lupica. What does that say. They dont make up these stories for publicity, they’re just that pathetic

  46. Sam (not Weinman) on

    Not to mention lohud employing Peter Abraham, the fattest most worthless red sox and patriot fan loser on the planet

  47. dr. o

    Brandon and Beer Me do NOT — repeat, do NOT — understand that in-game bench skills are important. So do not waste your breath.

  48. Tony from AZ on

    I’m trying to stay positive here. We have our work cut out for us. I’d rather be up 3-0 but that’s not the case.
    BUT ….I’m ready to see our boys make history, starting tonight.
    Let’s go Rangers, I’m not ready for this season to end !

  49. re: 11pm vs 3am

    My initial thought, when told, since I heard it before I read it. Was that its possible that it could have been a technicality to the fact that you can ARRIVE at a hospital @ 11, and not be ADMITTED until 3am. I don’t know, just throwin it out there.

  50. I love the Jagr defenders that still think this is the 1990’s.

    “Duuuuude he’s still one of the best in the game duuuuude. He’ll always be *my* Captain, I’ve been -sucking his di- watching his games since he started and JUST ONE MORE YEAR PLAESE BABY JAGR I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY YOU ARE A RANGER AND NOT LET THAT SPANISH GUY BE THE FOCUS OF THE TEAM OMG OMG OMG OMGZZ”

    it’s pathetic that people want a guy who has all but admitted he’s *had it* to force himself into another situation. swallow his final gackwad tonight and let it go. goddamn it’s disgusting.

  51. Sam (not Weinman) on

    Peter, JD’s sources were his left hand and some sticky slimy stuff on himself

  52. Why not use Korpikowski on a line with Dawes and Callahan? Considering Drury can’t take face-offs he’ll likely play on the wing on Gomez’s line. Watch Renney Have the Hollweg-Orr line takle an offensive zone draw at least once or twice down a goal. He does that way too much.

  53. “VS. is the Ryan Hellweg of the cable TV sports world.”

    Great comment lol!!!!

  54. Brandon

    Hang on, plenty of Renney doubters were just as vociferous when the team was riding high as they are now, so keep the facts in front of you.

    The fact that Hollweg felt no constraint in potentially putting his team behind the 8-ball there means two glaring things:

    1) He has not learned a thing since the Montreal meltdown, and so should not have been on the ice

    2) Renney obviously did not tell him that if he took a cheap penalty, he would lop his rocks off. Hollweg clearly has never had that conversation imposed on him. And that is pathetic coaching.

  55. Hell yeah Tony! LGR Make history!

    I would believe that the three am report came because that when people learned he was in the hospital. Medical staff have a patient privacy thing so at 3 am when the medical staff people who had been there at 11 got breaks or went home they kindly called the press. Thats where 3 am came from. Down 3-0 I don’t think Avery went out for a night on the town. I really doubt it. If he did he doesn’t deserve to be on this team and that was a big F-U I’m checking out. I don’t think Avery would do that. I think medical staff people were vague about what happened and over eager newsman filled in the blanks with their overactive imaginations!

  56. dr. ogrodnick on

    Beer me;

    If finishing in the bottom 4 seeds and getting eliminated in the 1st or 2nd round is what you’re looking for, then Renney is your guy. Some of us want another cup.

  57. Not fun to admit it, but Keith Jones’ piece last night between periods about how Therrien is eating Renney’s lunch (and breakfast and dinner and midnight snack) was dead-on.

  58. Salty I’m insulted. Fine you don’t like Jagr and some people here do (I do). But the stay here so focus isn’t on the Spanish guy? What was that about? Is that what you think is up with Jagr supporters?

  59. Renney is the 1st Rangers coach to win 40 games 3 consecutive seasons in 30 years. 30 years.

    All I want is consistency and to make the postseason. Which is also something no coach has done in 3 consecutive season in the decade previous to his tenure.

  60. 1942-1975-2008 every 33 years on

    Once every 33 years a team comes back from 3-0 deficit to win

    my recommendation:
    Dubie-Jagr-Callahan
    Gomez-Dawes-Shanahan
    Straka-Sjostrom-Prucha
    Holweg-Orr-Strudwick

    replace Backman with Malik
    Drury is courageous, but he cannot help us in his condition

    Renney, please listen to me

  61. ketel one

    Yes, I saw Jones’ story on Therrien too. He sees it as a cut-&-dried overmatch and it is hard to disagree with him.

  62. Tony from AZ on

    Win one for Avery ? Win one for Betts ? Sounds great to me.
    BUT hell, win one for the fans !
    Let go Rangers – it ain’t over until we say it’s over !

  63. You’ll only get this if you watch Family Guy.

    Some days this blog is like that episode when the ‘Leafers’ came to town and Peter was like “jets suck, yankees suck, knicks suck…”. As soon as someone hears something they don’t like it’s F’n WWIII.

    That includes everyone here, including myself. And probably would include Sam too if he didn’t have to remain civil.

  64. dr. ogrodnick on

    Renney is mediocre. He’ll make the playoffs (with Jagr and Lundy to carry him) but he won’t win a cup. I know it seems good coming off of our 7 seasons of despair, but I want more.

  65. On this whole Renney thing:

    He is the first coach since Colin Campbell, 4 coaches total, to get this franchise in the playoffs.

  66. Bottom line is: if it’s renney’s fault that hollweg took the penalty, then it’s his fault Jags broke rangers records 2 years ago, it’s his fault Hank has been nominated for 3 vezina’s. It just doesn’t work both ways.

    ………

    No, the bottom line is Renney has commited worse fouls during his tenure. The Hollweg thing is not on Renney, but many other things are. Renney is not a Stanley Cup coach. The only way to have possibly beaten the Pens would have been to have played the first 2 games with the same intensity the 3rd game was played. Unfortunately for this squad… they _actually need_ to be down by 2 games to play like they are down by two games. This is a direct reflection on the coaching staff, and yes, the Captains.

    This team never had the fire it takes to win.

  67. I want Jagr on the team until Chereponov can play for us. There is no real free agents this summer that will put up jagr numbers.

  68. dr. ogrodnick on

    Beer me,

    take out the shootout wins and Renney has 0 40 win seasons. Not really a good comparison.

  69. Sam (not Weinman) on

    I have nothing against Renney. So take this from an unbiased perspective. He has a few problems leaving fourthline losers in for offensive zone faceoffs and playing fourthline losers in 3rd period when we’re down and EMPLOYING SCUMBAG worthless twat Perry Pearn. I kind of view him as a Joe Torre kind of guy, doesnt understand much strategy, but is a good character, ego manager. Maybe others will agree.

    I always said that teams, specifically the Yankees and Rangers, should employ two coaches. Torre for egos and ? (Girardi) for strategy and Renney for egos and ? for strategy.

  70. Jags & hank did not carry us to the playoffs THIS season. I’ll buy that for ’05-’06. Let’s not forget that Straka & Nylander had career years that season too. But its absurd to think that this season the team made the playoffs on inconsistent play from those 2.

  71. 40 wins in an OT era is a very watered-down mark. But give him his due — there are things he does well as a coach. Unfortunately, beating teams in the playoffs when he doesn’t have an enormous gap between his talent and the opposition ain’t one of them.

  72. Jagr- Dube- Prucha
    Sjo- Gomez- Callahan
    Dawes-Drury- Straka
    Orr- Korpikoski- Shanny

    Prucha had a lot of success his rookie year with Jagr

    Sjo Gomz and Callahan would be a real fast line

    Bye guys I have no more battery!
    LGR Make history!!!!

  73. Whoops. If I could revise my post above, I would say that the spleen actually does have a capsule surrounding it, but somehow I mis-stated that fact. Sorry for you anatomy buffs out there.

  74. In game bench coaching in hockey is about as important as any kind of managing in a baseball game… it has about 1% effect on the outcome of the game.

    If you want to argue about 1%, go right ahead. I’ll look at the other 99% and draw my opinion from there.

    If coaches mattered more than players, the top rated coach would make more than the top rated player. They’re not on the ice. You can’t teach a guy to win a battle in the corner or backcheck harder — you either have those characterisitcs, of which you would use in your own driveway playing foot hockey, or you don’t.

  75. “EMPLOYING SCUMBAG worthless twat Perry Pearn”

    I understood what you were trying to say with your comment, but slats does the hiring pal.

    dr o – this is pointless to continue really. If you want to start throwing things out there like that, then I’ll say….If there were still on 21 teams…. you get the point.

    Thanks a lot brandon! Did you start this? haha I should’ve taken my own advice.

    salty – I actually don’t disagree with all of that. But as far as I know, the conversation began with the hollweg thing.

    “There is no real free agents this summer that will put up jagr numbers.”

    I get what you’re sayin Nasty, but I’m sure we can find a 25 goal scorer out there. ;)

  76. Renney is the 1st Rangers coach to win 40 games 3 consecutive seasons in 30 years. 30 years.

    ……….

    I’m not a stats guy, but can someone run these numbers by subtracting the games that were won in OT and do and accurate percentage comparison? I mean… I don’t think it’s a coincidence that he’s “accomplished this feat” in the age of the shootout.

  77. Sam (not Weinman) on

    Right Beer me, but if Tom wanted to bleach that stain out and went to Sather, Pearny would be off our team in a heartbeat.

  78. Salty, fair enough that this could be a result to the shootout age, but this is also a franchise that had not made the playoffs in 18 of 24 seasons when 4 of 6 teams did make the playoffs.

  79. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    Beer Me,

    I’m more of a Renney supporter now than I ever have been, but that being said getting 40 wins is easier post new-CBA because of shootout wins and no ties. It’s the same reason Lundqvist’s individual records are/will-be watered down a little if compared with Roy or Brodeur.

  80. Billynyc, tHANKS FOR THE NUDE PICTURE, WHERE IS THE SIZE, BUDDY, YOU PROMISE BUT CANT DELIVER, LIKE LAST NIGHT. Habs inside/out really rules. Rangers, Na na na na.

  81. sam – I’d like to think so. But we should never assume ANYTHING when slats is involved.

    Salty – You were always one to say that the #’s are BS sometimes and don’t truly represent what’s in front of you. And that they can be twisted to make any point you want to make. That’s exactly what you & others are doing by bringing up the OT point. Sure, it makes a difference. But so did all the other changes in the game. It’s just not valid.

    I’m really bored with the renney discussion. Neither side is going to budge, so what’s the F’n point here? He’ll be back next year.

  82. “In game bench coaching in hockey is about as important as any kind of managing in a baseball game… it has about 1% effect on the outcome of the game.” One percent!

    Of course when your hero constantly allows his opposite to determine match-ups he wants, home and away, this kind of outright ignorance is to be expected.

    You could not be more wrong, and to pronounce it so boldly is pretty impressive.

  83. true fans – Again, I don’t disagree that it changes things.

    So let’s look at post ’04 lockout. Renney is the most successful coach in post ’04 lockout history. See what I’m doing there? I buy that the shootout changes how many wins you have. But every team has that advantage. Its still a level playing field. And he still has coached the team to 2 consecutive 2nd rounds. Which I’m sure you’d have to go back even further to find a coach that did that. I’m not going to look, but I’d be interested if someone wanted to.

  84. Beer me, look at what? Last coach to coach this team to 2 consecutive 2nd rounds? If so, it’s Colie Campbell.

  85. ketel one/bathgate – I didn’t see the Vs broadcast last night. What exactly what Jones saying?

  86. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    Is Kovalchuk actually a UFA next year? The guy puts up 45-52 goals almost every year.

    Obviously there are also the Sykora’s, Hossa’s (singular), and Malone’s out there. But Kovalchuk is in a completely differently class as far as offensive ability goes.

    Someone mentioned that they want Jagr to hang around until Cherapanov is available. Well, I believe Cherapanov plays on Omsk (correct me if I’m wrong), and Omsk (and the RSL) have already said they won’t allow Cherapanov to defect until 2009-10 (will attend camp 08-09 though). Hmm, so if Jagr leaves this upcoming year, he’ll be playing on Omsk starting 2008-2009, while Cherapanov is also there. See there plan? This may be good for Rangers, if Jagr helps Cherapnov develop, but it’s bad for the Rangers because they’re losing two top line(s) wingers.

  87. Tony from AZ on

    “It ain’t over until the fat lady sings ”
    Somebody needs to stand by the entrance at MSG tonight & make sure no fat chicks get in !!

    LET’S GO RANGERS – history in the making !!

  88. nyrblue2

    He talked about his one-upping Renney on match-ups; getting his forwards to commit to playing defense; setting the tempo of the type of game —- different from Game 1 and 2 —- so that Renney was reacting to him instead of the other way around; and calling the time-out to REAM, not coddle, his players after Jagr tied it up at 3 on Tuesday night.

  89. If you want to argue about 1%, go right ahead. I’ll look at the other 99% and draw my opinion from there.

    ……..

    This has been said, and I’ve argued this incongruency with Beer Me before:

    If Renney only accounts for a pithy 1% of the outcome, why even bother supporting him as strongly as you do? Why have a coach? Why not spin a pinwheel or throw darts at a board in order to make bench decisions if it’s only 1%?

    Again, I have less issue with Renney’s decisions than I have with his complete inability to get his players up for games, hold onto leads, etc.

    At some point, someone has to grab a player by the collar and make him take his soggy little pud out of the swedish models mouth for a few minutes and say “HEY. ARE YOU GONNA FUCKING SKATE TONIGHT OR WHAT? THIS IS THE FUCKING *KINGS* AND I EXPECT NOTHING LESS THAN 3 GOALS OUT OF YOU TONIGHT OR YOU ARE GOING TO PAY ME WITH YOUR HOCKEY SOUL”

    Renney is a pink, mushy, soupy, slimey, gushing, **$$*.
    I want to hear stories about him bitchslapping the likes of Ryan Hollweg for that move on tuesday. Literally pulling him out of the shower naked by his mustache and throwing him onto the lockerroom floor and kicking him in the ribs with his pointy tipped bruno magli faegala shoes and leaving him in worse shape than Avery is in. Guy is a soft pink tw4t who has never held his players accountable for what they do on the ice.

  90. Do the rest of you Renney honks agree with Dr. Brandon? That in-game bench skills have a 1% impact on the outcome of a game?

    You gotta get better arguments for your side here!

  91. oops. Thanks for catching that jason. I mis-worded that.

    Good ‘ole soupy. I hate that guy.

    I know some people would have a freakin aneurysm, but I would laugh my ass off if prucha couldn’t even get into the lineup when we’re missing 2(possibly even 3) regulars.

  92. i think this team has enought fowards and cant put all of them in the line up. what we need, as illustrated by the lack of in this series, is good defensemen. We need pp quarterbacks, we need guys who will clear out the front of the net, and guys who will hit opposing players and not just watch and poke the puck. players of that caliber would be great role models for our young defensemen. one of the reasons that rozi has turned into a horrible player is because he has had only malik to look up to. I dont want that to happen to stall or tutin.
    I know that players like that arent just sitting out there waiting for the rangers to call them up but theres a shit load of them out in the west, lets play make a deal.

  93. Sam (not Weinman) on

    I agree with brandon in that baseball managers have little to do with onfield play, but not on his take on hockey coaches, who have much more to do with the outcome of a game than a baseball manager.

  94. we need a cheerleader on the bench when we went down 3-1 every one on the bench were sittin with their heads down when we tied it up the bench was talkin and heads up high the third period heads were down again. Reney should pump them up on the bench. I know its a highshcool tactic but even the announcers on nbc make this comment a number of times in the last round.

  95. Like it has been said above, Renney is good at managing egos and most of the players like him, but he doesn’t have that strategy/killer instinct (nor did Torre, that was all Zimmer). In-game decisions definitely play a bigger role than 1% on the outcome brandon, if that were the case ayone one of us could be coaching and it wouldnt matter.

    Renney’s biggest fault is his loyalty: to his players, his system, his gut. The pp has clearly not worked all season but it is the same thing every time, most coaches would have changed the personel/strategy. When a player like hollweig has a bad game he throws him back out there, but when prucha does something wrong he sits a quarter of the season. Shanny hasn’t been able to skate for about 4 months, yet he still plays close to if not more than 20 minutes a game.

    The team has made the playoffs three times under Renney and it looks like they will once again go no farther than the 2nd round. I am not satisfied with that, especially not if we get swept this year to a team we are capable of beating. Did renney play a part in helping transform this team? Sure but Id say the biggest reason we have returned to respectability is Jagr/Henrik. Without those two guys it would have been the same as sather/lowe etc. If at the start of the season I had told you we would be eliminated/possibly swept in the 2nd round would you all be happy? I sure hope not

  96. Reney should pump them up on the bench.

    …….

    He does: “C’mon boys.”

    I seriously want to see Messier on the bench. Players sphincters would tighten up at the thought of not giving 110% every shift. I think most people would rather take a bullet to the chest than have Mark Messier give them “the look”.

  97. I think there’s 2 polar opposites for the Renney debate. The actual answer is somewhere in the middle. He’s a good coach, not great, not horrendous. He’s stubborn and calm to a fault. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn’t. This argument will go nowhere with people standing on opposite sides and just trying to out-insult the other person.

  98. and to catch up on a comment from a while ago, I’d cream myself if we got Kovalchuk in our line-up.

  99. “I want Jagr on the team until Chereponov can play for us. There is no real free agents this summer that will put up jagr numbers.”

    I agree with that.

    I also think that whoever said that hockey coaches have a 1% difference on the game must be talking about high school hockey, when you know nothing about the other team and just roll your own lines. But he certainly can’t be thinking of the NHL. Could he?

    Also, I’ve noticed a couple of people randomly taking shots at me. Weird.

    As for the matter at hand, I would have loved for PA Parenteau to get in. However, I am definitely intrigued by Lauri Korpikoski. Yet another draft pick that beats Hugh Jessiman to the NHL (which will be all draft picks since I don’t see Jessiman ever cracking the lineup, at least as a Ranger). I bet he even gets to see some PK time. We lost two of our PK forwards, and if he is playing the 4th line, I definitely expect him out there. Some other things I expect as a result of LK playing over PAP:

    1) Hollweg sits. Think about it. Hollweg has already played 4th line center, and to dress Korpikoski to do that just screams that Hollweg is scratched. Which makes sense, because I don’t know how he could ever play another game as a Ranger after the penalty he took. Someone said he should get the Purinton treatment. Haha, I like that.

    2) Prucha plays. PAP is an offensive player, and since he isn’t playing, it stands to reason Prucha is.

    3) Orr plays. This is kind of a backwards induction of Hollweg sitting.

    PS: who ever thought that Korpikoski would get to dress for the Rangers before Al Montoya? PS, if you want to get depressed, look at all of the players drafter after Montoya. If you want to get REALLY depressed, look at all the players drafted after Korpikoski (we had 2 chances of taking those guys).

  100. Ok AGAIN, my sister in Law is a nurse at St. Vin’s, she was there the other night when Avery was brought in, he was concious but in pain. They gave him a full CT Scan, check up, etc etc, then meds, he’s resting, no more internal bleeding. They are keeping him in ICU JUST IN CASE anything happens and they need to remove it but she says it looks unlikely. Standard procedure for ICU admittance. The cardic stuff and 3.am timeframe is total bullshit.
    He came in around 10-10:30, not 3am, again she was there and works the ICU and was fine but pissy from what she told me. Today she emailed me and said he’s in better spirits and flirting with the nurses, what a shock. His mother and Brother are there, Father coming today supposedly, do you guys want the F’ing Room number? Obvisouly there not letting anyone near him, jsut VERIFIED friends and family

    There is no lying from Ranger Management, and he aint coming back for ANY games. He has to stay IMOBILE for the next few days (Which means he can walk to the bathroom and back to his bed, thats it) She also said three really big guys came to see him earlier this morning. I asked who, she had no clue, wouldnt know what Hockey is if it werent for me being the lone family Ranger Nut.
    One guy with Black hair, another with a beard and another smaller guy. Im guessing Shanny, MAra? and Cally?

    Thats the latest ,she’s emailed me about an hour ago

    LET GO RANGERS TONIGHT!!!!!!!

  101. Salt – I agree, I’d LOVE to see Moose out there coaching the Rangers. But everything I’ve seen says that he wants to try being a GM. I don’t see that though.

  102. Jeever, thats the FA crop in two years. That means the earliest it happens is trade deadline two seasons from now. Rick Nash and Alexander Frolov will be a possibilities then too.

    Next year, if Lecavalier is available, do you make a pitch for him? This is purely hypothetical, and I know he won’t be available, I am just curious to hear what you all think.

  103. if vinny leaves hed probably go to montreal, thatd be my guess. really can count on any of these guys being available unless they are really unhappy on their respective teams

  104. It’s tough. Because every time you will yourself to develop genuine respect for the other side of the Renney question, somebody among his backers — today it was Brandon — reveals with frightening clarity that he has absolutely no effing idea what the eff he is talking about. None.

  105. Ok Im out of work early everyone to go get sloppy early and scream the the TV in my local waterting hole.

    Hopefully tomorrows postings will be all about survival and grit

    LETS GO RANGERS!

  106. Go Korp !

    Have some fun, and dont use your ass to deflect a shot past Hank like Dawes did last year !!

    Hopefully Hank has a better game, and Jags plays damn good. Dawes needs to step up.

    Jagr – Dubi – Straka
    Jagr/Dawes – Gomez – Shanahan
    Drury – Callahan – Prucha
    Sjostrom – Korpikoski – Orr/Moore/Parenteau

    Go for broke, put some kids in for the hell of it.

    BTW

    Did anyone else see TSN blowing Jags’ comments out of proportion like they always do. Pieces of shit they are. Saying it was dumb for him to say “this is my last game, lets make it special” Shut the fugg up you stupid TSN losers. Go cry over the fact that your pathetic Canadian teams wont be playing for the cup this year like they have for the last 3 or 4 years. Coke suckers, or as they would say on The Sopranos on A&E “You Blood Suckers”

    Jags is god, he cant do or say what he wants. Hopefully this isn’t his last game, i hope he is a Ranger for next year, him and Aves. Fugg Rozi, Harry, and the garbage we dont need.

  107. Sidney Crosby's Mother on

    Salty you are a true homer. You won’t be satisfied unless the Rangers somehow get Ovechkin, Malkin, Savard, Mike Green, and Zdeno Chara as their top line. And Scottie Bowman 10 years ago.

    Quit hating on Jagr you whining dillweed. There is nobody out there that is going to put up his numbers. Why do you care if he turns it up in the playoffs? He’s tied for 3rd in points, beotch. Go cry about that and drool over those non-extistant UFAs this offseason.

  108. I think we can all agree about this on the coaching staff: Perry Pearn has to go.

    Personally, I think Renney should go too, but not until we have a top notch replacement available. It’s clear to me that Renney has hit his ceiling as a coach. I want someone who has been to the finals before. They didn’t have to win the cup, but I want someone who has been able to get their team to the finals. But I don’t want to change for the sake of changing. Why trade one Renney for another?

  109. I kinda said 1% to make a point. I don’t know what the exact percentage is. However, I do know that using my name to make a post is pretty elementary and hopefully people will be able to distinguish between my commentary and that of an idiot (even if some of you already think I am one).

    I think a great deal of coaching goes on off the ice and in practice. I’m a firm believer that what goes on during the game is a result of what you work on before and after it — be it preparation or conditioning or an overall locker room attitude.

    Sure there may be some ill advised line decisions that go on from time to time, or some overplaying of the fourth line, but all coaches make those mistakes. Players don’t play perfectly, coaches don’t coach perfectly.

    Funny thing is, I happen to agree with many of you in your opinions of what he has done wrong (i.e. fourth line, pp and Hollweg dressing); however, where we differ in opinion is where we point the finger to the problem.

    These are mistakes, but not even close to the reason we’re losing.

    Before the series began, we knew one thing. Our goalie would outplay their goalie. So far, that has not happened. How come none of you are on Henrik? He couldn’t hold a 3 goal lead in game 1 and was the reason we lost in game 3.

    Yes, I said it, Hank is the reason we lost game 3… not Ryan Hollweg, not Tom Renney. 17 shots… 5 goals. THat’s not a Vezina award winner.

  110. Salty – You were always one to say that the #’s are BS sometimes and don’t truly represent what’s in front of you. And that they can be twisted to make any point you want to make. That’s exactly what you & others are doing by bringing up the OT point.

    ………

    huh? my argument about #’s remains the same…you twist one way, another twists them another way….and I suppose you’re right…it’s not really a valid way to judge, because there is lot of room for spinning in this case. But argument remains, drop a stat, and the quality of said stat comes into question.

    I still contend you are trying to take that certain stat to the bank while forgetting about “inflation”, if you will. Same goes for Hanky Panky’s numbers which everyone has worn their prostate while out counting up the “win” column.

    I mean, I’d be rich too if it were still the 1950’s. Unfortunately, the dollar (win) has changed for everyone.

  111. Sidney Crosby's Mother on

    “PS, if you want to get depressed, look at all of the players drafter after Montoya. If you want to get REALLY depressed, look at all the players drafted after Korpikoski (we had 2 chances of taking those guys).

    NO! I did this one night when i was drunk and drank more so id forget

    ::Kills self::

  112. “Well, I believe Cherapanov plays on Omsk (correct me if I’m wrong), and Omsk (and the RSL) have already said they won’t allow Cherapanov to defect until 2009-10 (will attend camp 08-09 though).”

    Corrected. Because Russia hasn’t signed IIHF transfer agreement, Cherepanov can leave whenever he likes to play in the NHL. That’s what happened with Malkin last year. It is also why NHL players can sign contracts with Russian teams and then play in Russia without their NHL team being able to do anything about it beyond suspending them and wiping their salary from their books.

  113. Thanks mikeyNJ.

    Avery is going to be like the manager in Major League. I wonder if they’ll let him watch the game! “I LOVE THIS FRIGGIN ENGLISH CRAP!”

  114. but clearly the off-ice stuff isnt working then either.

    brandon how about going 0-7 on the pp on tuesday, think that was a pretty big reason we lost and why we are losing this series. that has been a problem all season (and last year too) yet it is the same strategy and players used every time. think a lot of that falls on the coach.

  115. I think you can count on Kovalchuk. ATL is a losing franchise, and they are going NOWHERE. Kovy won’t have any problems leaving the city, just as his best teammates have. The guy wants to win, and I’m sure he doesn’t want to be the only decent player on a team.

    Nash is a toss up. If Columbus can right their ship, he’ll probably stay. Otherwise, he’ll leave for a winner as well.

    Frolov is unlikely.

    Much more unlikely is Vinny L, who will almost certainly resign in Tampa.

    PS, how cool would a Pittsburgh-Dallas final be in terms of the future of the trade deadline? Both of those teams made the biggest deadline deals in each of their conferences. Next year’s trade deadline would be AWESOME.

  116. that’s pretty much what I was saying salty.

    This is all a conversation for the summertime. Which is fast approaching in NY.

    In defense to the org selecting korpi before some of the players available after him. He was ranked in the top 10 and we got him 19th. At the time he was a steal. He also had a tough injury somewhere since the selection, don’t remember details.

  117. “I’m not a stats guy, but can someone run these numbers by subtracting the games that were won in OT and do and accurate percentage comparison? I mean… I don’t think it’s a coincidence that he’s “accomplished this feat” in the age of the shootout.”

    You can only take out shootout wins. Obviously OT wins would still count in the old era. I believe they only won like 5 shootouts this year but that would put them under 40. To win 40 before it was insanely hard.

  118. Pearn out, Renney stays though. Wins are wins, no matter how you swing the stats. You play under the rules that the league has decided upon (in this case, OT points and shootouts) and do your best. Renney has done a good job with this hockey team. Look at the way the kids have developed under him. One thing we can all agree on is that we have a lot of exciting young talent on this team. Renney is a large part of that, don’t forget. I’m willing to bet he played a part in convincing Sather to keep these kids rather than trade for a big-name player. You can question the motivation factor all you want, but I think this series breaks down to the fact that Pittsburgh is the better hockey team.

    All that said, I believe in the Rangers until the clock shows 00.0 and the scoreboard shows the Penguins have won their 4th game of the series. Until then, we’re alive, and as fans, we need to BE alive tonight at MSG. I’m stoked.

    LGR!

  119. I think Pearn is as much of an ass as the rest of you. But whether him or renney could be held COMPLETELY responsible for the 0’fers on the pp, well then, I’m either stuck in the twilight zone, or those mushrooms I did in high school haven’t worn off yet.

    The blame on the pp, and much of the reasons for another 2nd rnd exit is shared. It is shared from the top down.

  120. “I think you can count on Kovalchuk. ATL is a losing franchise, and they are going NOWHERE. Kovy won’t have any problems leaving the city, just as his best teammates have. The guy wants to win, and I’m sure he doesn’t want to be the only decent player on a team.”

    Thats what I’m saying. If he was given a shot on a real team that had a shot at the cup, he would be insane. I think he’s just as good as Ovechkin in the sense that he can take over a game by himselfn (he’s proven it multiple times this year but nobody talks about it). Thats someone we don’t have and haven’t had for a really long time.

  121. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    Doodie, I agree. I think the Rangers need to target Kovalchuk. They haven’t had a “shooter” since Knuble rattled Shanahan’s noodle last year. Their powerplay, although inherently flawed by its’ “system”, would benefit immensely from a Kovalchuk too. I also think Kovalchuk more useful than a Hossa, even though Hossa is a better 2-way player.

    Nash would be awesome to get, but there are alot of complaints that he doesn’t work hard on the ice, during practice, and in the gym. His fans constantly call him fat (i don’t know how true it is, but it’s all over their blogs).

    As far as defensman, Redden is walking out of Ottawa. Not a bad idea. Obviously, the Rangers need 1 or 2 guys that can hit and I think Orpik might be a UFA this upcoming year and Pitts will have trouble worrying about Malkin and Staal’s cap space when those issues come around.

  122. Our power play lacks a quaterback. Until we get one, it’s not going to be good, no matter what line combinations you put out there. Simply enough, we’ve exhuasted every possible combo this year and none have worked.

    Maybe Sanguinetti will be the answer as he seems to light the lamp wherever he goes.

  123. Salty you are a true homer. You won’t be satisfied unless the Rangers somehow get Ovechkin, Malkin, Savard, Mike Green, and Zdeno Chara as their top line. And Scottie Bowman 10 years ago.

    Quit hating on Jagr you whining dillweed. There is nobody out there that is going to put up his numbers. Why do you care if he turns it up in the playoffs? He’s tied for 3rd in points, beotch. Go cry about that and drool over those non-extistant UFAs this offseason.

    ……….

    Please, sick on my duck. This is the worst argument against me, ever. Suck me off, I promise I’ll save up a thick hearty wad that you can chew up and spit feed into your little son’s mouth just like real penguins do. I bet you have big red DSL’s just like your kid.

    I’m not even going to bother arguing with another Jagr lollygagger. This team is better off, *in the long run* without him. If you can’t see that it’s because you’ve got gobs of czech protein in your eyes clouding your vision. You call me a whiner, you’re the one crying because we might have to miss the playoffs a couple of times before we have a REAL contender. Just like we should have this year, traded Jagr to a real contender and raped them of their top prospects, just like ATL did to PIT. You’re a selfish gunt, you’d rather see 3-4 more years of jerking yourself over pathetic 2nd round exits than you would rather see this team make some real smart moves and load up for a real chance.

    “There is nobody out there that is going to put up his numbers.”

    Yah, okay. Put me on a 27 year old Scott Gomez’s line I could probably net 25 myself. We went out and tried to build around Jagr….and just like a bad organ transplant, he couldn’t mesh with EITHER of the $7M men. And you want to continue to have him here running the show…. typical fanboy.

  124. RobC – As usual, I agree. I’ll even (regretfully) give slats some credit there. He knew what the league was facing in ’04 and smartly dealt overpaid players for picks and prospects. He was ahead of the curve. The benefits of those moves are starting to show now nearly 4 years later. Whether renney is here for the long-haul or not. He, slats, shoney, maloney deserve ALL the credit for rebulding a franchise that fans can be proud of.

    Yes, I’m proud of them. Swept in the 2nd rnd or not. Beats the F*ck out of not making the playoffs or being eliminated in the 1st round. We have a tremendous amount to look fwd to next season. Hell, even the off-season. We’re dropping lots of dead-weight, and have the opportunity to fine tune our needs. We all know what they are.

  125. Rob C – I don’t know how much input Renney has in who stays and goes. Last off-season (of is it 2 years ago), they had a picnic type-thing for season ticket holders, and 1 of the biggest questions was will Jed stay or go. Renney looked totally defeated, said he kept telling Slats how great he is, and how valuable he is.

    Do you think if we re-sign Avery for 3+ years, Kovalchuk wouldn’t want to come to NY? Avery got under his skin BAD last year.

  126. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    Brandon, it was also flawed by Shanahan & Jagr (who both have lost their touch, Shanahan more than Jagr). Constanty passing to guys who can’t score creates big havoc for obvious reasons. Also, Shanahan doesn’t really skate anymore. Did you watch the Penguins PP? It’s dynamic, at least 3 guys are moving at any point in time.

    On top of that, Gomez and Drury aren’t goal scorers. Gomez’s is a good passer, so let’s get him a finisher who he can setup?

    A PP QB would definitely help, but from what I’ve seen of the Penguins PP, they use Malkin as that guy.

  127. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    As far as all the other arguing and disdain for Renney and his coaching strategies, but unless the Flyers re-invent themselves next round, the Penguins will represent the East in the Finals. Perhaps the Rangers get a game or 2 (OR MORE!!!), but if not, the Penguins have proven themselves a dominant team.

    Losing to a better team happens, and it sucks. But I believe we’re losing to the best team in the East. It’s a little less frustrating and embarrassing when you think about it that way.

  128. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    …and on that note, *DRESS HOLLWEG AND ORR TONIGHT TO PLAY THE LAST SHIFT OF THE GAME AGAINST CROSBY*!!!

    Might as well give those French Canadiens something to actually whine about, especially after their pot-shots at Avery and Jagr.

  129. true fans – amen… AS much as I don’t want to admit it, Penguins are stacked, and are the better team. If we won this series, it would be because we got lucky and made them play our system, and played our asses off.

    As far as PP QB, what about that dude Hutchinson? I think we got him from Boston, for Aaron Ward? He was the AHL’s best defenseman this year, he put up some pretty nice #s… He could be a good call-up for next year.

  130. those moves from 04 havent done much for us at all and most of the players are gone having never made it. The best move he made that year was getting umberger and then he refused to sign him. most of our draft picks have been undersized players who are probably 3rd liners at best in the nhl. we have some good talent in our system but with what we have going forward we have about two or three 3rd lines and maybe a decent “top” line if prucha (if he ever plays again) and gomez gel. the russian needs to be a premier player as he really is are only real offensive prospect in our system.

    and the one pp combination he hasnt used consistently at all is to put prucha with jagr. he tried it for a game or two but thats it, hardly exhausting that combination

  131. salty…I hate when I agree with you. Just for the record.

    well, i hate being right when it comes to this team blowing, i’d rather be proven wrong.

    All in all, I kind of hope they put the nail in the coffin tonight though. This series (and 90% of the season) has been a festival of pain for me.

    That said, I’ve enjoyed blogging with you guys all season, win or lose, I am addicted to this for a reason.

  132. those moves from 04 havent done much for us at all and most of the players are gone having never made it. The best move he made that year was getting umberger and then he refused to sign him. most of our draft picks have been undersized players who are probably 3rd liners at best in the nhl. we have some good talent in our system but with what we have going forward we have about two or three 3rd lines and maybe a decent “top” line if prucha (if he ever plays again) and gomez gel. the russian needs to be a premier player as he really is only real offensive prospect in our system.

    and the one pp combination he hasnt used consistently at all is to put prucha with jagr. he tried it for a game or two but thats it, hardly exhausting that combination

  133. “Funny thing is, I happen to agree with many of you in your opinions of what he has done wrong (i.e. fourth line, pp and Hollweg dressing); however, where we differ in opinion is where we point the finger to the problem.

    These are mistakes, but not even close to the reason we’re losing.

    Before the series began, we knew one thing. Our goalie would outplay their goalie. So far, that has not happened. How come none of you are on Henrik? He couldn’t hold a 3 goal lead in game 1 and was the reason we lost in game 3.

    Yes, I said it, Hank is the reason we lost game 3… not Ryan Hollweg, not Tom Renney. 17 shots… 5 goals. THat’s not a Vezina award winner.”

    Dude, don’t look at the number of goals Hank has let in. The first two games, that guy played out of his skull good. I’d say without him, we would have easily lost games 1 and 2 by 4 or 5 goals. Some of the saves he was making were just absolutely ridiculous. He was by FAR our best player in game 2, and he was equally good in game 1. Look at the goals that they scored on him in those two games. All GREAT or lucky goals. The one soft goal was Hossa’s from the sharp angle.

    On the other side of the coin, I don’t think Fleury has played that well. He hasn’t made any saves that have blown my mind. When our offense actually is clicking, we score. Game 1, the 2nd and 3rd goals were soft goals. Jagr hit the post with 15 seconds left, and Mara missed the rebound by like an inch. The problem has been our offense not generating enough quality chances. I don’t think they had ONE good chance in game 2.

    Games 1 and 3 were ours for the taking. We stopped playing defense halfway through game 1, and Hollweg killed our momentum in game 3. Shooting the puck 40 times doesn’t mean you get 40 chances. I’d rather shoot 10 good chances than 40 sharp angle nothing chances.

    Here’s the reason we’re losing, or at least why we’ve lost the three games we have lost so far: special teams. All of their GWGs are PP goals. Their PP is 4-13. Ours is 1-14. Those 3 PP goals are the three GWGs they are beating us by. Our PP and PK just haven’t been good enough. That’s coaching. And it is the pregame coaching that you harp upon.

  134. Jeever, we got Hutch as Part of the Cullen deal back to Carolina. Yes, I think he has a good chance of making the team out of camp next season, IF he gets resigned (he is UFA).

    Someone said we need a PP QB for our PP to be effective. But that’s not true. Our PP was much better, genuinely effective, the past two seasons, with MARTIN STRAKA as the QB. And he is an AWFUL power play QB. We actually had the highest PP% of the playoffs last year. We were 8th during the regular season both years coming out of the lockout.

    So it isn’t the PP QB that’s the problem, although, admittedly, it would help.

  135. It always amazes me how fans of opposing teams find thier way over here and find the time to post. Devils fans are one thing… but Sabres fans last year and Pens this year… kinda gheigh. Devs I kind of understand, its a true rivalry…but cmon.

  136. Any chance that Jarrko Immonen (spelling?) or Roman Lyashenko could play tonight?

  137. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    Doodie, I agree.

    Everyone I see says “Oh…Lundqvist!” And i’m just like: “Did you watch the game or read the sports headlines the next morning?”

    Hank didn’t have his best game 3, the Hossa was stoppable from such a sharp angle but it was the second rebound on a play where nobody picked him up defensively. The other was a Drury screen (Malkin goal), a Malkin blistering shot off the pipe on the PP, a deflection, and a Laraque shot from 10 feet off the goal-line where Tyutin’s caught watching. Hank didn’t win the game, but he didn’t lose it either.

    He nearly stole games 1 and 2 though, but still got no help (defense game 1, offense game 2). Lundqvist is the obvious scapegoat, but don’t fall for it.

  138. Lundqvist is the obvious scapegoat, but don’t fall for it.

    ….

    less of a scapegoat if he didn’t run his yap at first…. that performance was a really soft way to back up what he said

  139. Tony from AZ on

    Like my ass. boys,our Rangers are a Gay lot, sure to lose and celebrate in Christopher Streets Rawhides, where they often are spotted, with me. cANADIENS FANS, i HUMBLY APPOLOGIZE, MY DAD SPANKED ME LAST NIGHT, THEN TURNED AROUND AND SAID..’NOW DO ME”. The Plane boss, the plane.

  140. right on, Salty.

    2:09 pm

    the only “numbers” that mean anything are 16 wins in the playoffs.

    selfish individual stats are useless

  141. “As far as defensman, Redden is walking out of Ottawa. Not a bad idea. Obviously, the Rangers need 1 or 2 guys that can hit and I think Orpik might be a UFA this upcoming year and Pitts will have trouble worrying about Malkin and Staal’s cap space when those issues come around.”

    Stay away from Redden. He’s too slow. If I want a PP QB I go after Campbell first then Liles since he’s cheaper. Liles is a year or 2 younger and can skate as well as move the puck. He’s pretty awesome on the PP too.

  142. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    Salty, it’s true. I haven’t seen the footage of his “we’ll win game 3″ but the transcript I read just seemed like him trying to build up his own and his teammates confidence. Obviously, he’s dumb for saying anything remotely to that effect but I don’t think he’s more to blame than the defense has been in games 1 and 3 along with a few guys who have either disappeared or can’t seem to finish this series (Drury, Shanahan, Dawes, Straka).

    As far as the Lyashenko comment, that’s kinda sick…
    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2003/07/09/lyashenko030709.html

  143. It’s really gonna be tough to get past this season ending. I read Sam’s blog all of last season, but didn’t start posting here until this preseason(I think). Someone said the other day that they feel like they’ll get their life back when this is over, and I feel the same.

    If this is it tonight, don’t be too down. There is much to look forward to next year. The core of players that is the NYR is the strongest core we have moving forward than we’ve had in a long long long long long time.

    Gomer, Dru, Dubi, Cally, Dawes, Staal, Girardi, Toots, Hank, prucha. Those guys are solid players to build a team with.

    Unfortunately for us, we’re still missing pieces that our opponent tonight is not. Even worse, they’ll go into next year playoff tested.

  144. “Jeever, we got Hutch as Part of the Cullen deal back to Carolina. Yes, I think he has a good chance of making the team out of camp next season, IF he gets resigned (he is UFA).

    Someone said we need a PP QB for our PP to be effective. But that’s not true. Our PP was much better, genuinely effective, the past two seasons, with MARTIN STRAKA as the QB. And he is an AWFUL power play QB. We actually had the highest PP% of the playoffs last year. We were 8th during the regular season both years coming out of the lockout.

    So it isn’t the PP QB that’s the problem, although, admittedly, it would help.”

    The problem is we miss Nylander more than most people would think. Everyone says Jagr did all the carrying of the puck when that is not true. Nylander slowed the game down. He did all the spinning for a reason. He would spin and spin and spin and carry the puck until everyone would finally focus in on him. Then Jagr and Straka would go far side and he’d make the pass over there for the open shot. Thats why that line worked and thats why our PP worked. Without Nylander holding the puck, all that went out the door. I’m not gonna say we should’ve never parted ways with him but we do miss him a lot more than people originally thought (which I’ve said since July 1st when we signed Gomer and Dru).

  145. “those moves from 04 havent done much for us at all and most of the players are gone having never made it. The best move he made that year was getting umberger and then he refused to sign him. most of our draft picks have been undersized players who are probably 3rd liners at best in the nhl. we have some good talent in our system but with what we have going forward we have about two or three 3rd lines and maybe a decent “top” line if prucha (if he ever plays again) and gomez gel. the russian needs to be a premier player as he really is only real offensive prospect in our system.

    and the one pp combination he hasnt used consistently at all is to put prucha with jagr. he tried it for a game or two but thats it, hardly exhausting that combination”

    I agree with every statement there. Except I also think we have a chance for a top line with Dubinsky as well, once he adds a little more muscle to his frame. I really think he could be a Lecavalier-type presence on the ice.

    The only things I would add is that while the Carter for Jagr move wasn’t at the deadline, it was still something to credit him with that season. And not all of the deadline deals ended up being busts. We drafted Dubinsky with the pick we got from the Maladog deal. We also got Blair Betts as part of the Simon deal. And, if Korpikoski turns into something, finally we will have gotten something out of the Leetch deal.

  146. There was more to the ‘reading the blog’ remark. As it occupies the majority of my time. Its almost as if I’m getting paid for it though since I spend more time here than I do working. By a long shot.

  147. Where can I find Rangers draft history?

    There was a player a few years ago that had a similar name to Korpikoski that Sam and JD were high on. Then again they were high on Alexei Vasiliev and Jan Mertzig!

  148. remember this. Messier still won a cup in Edm after Gretzky was traded, and he won in NY too.

    but Jagr has not won squat since the great players like Mario, and Francis, etc led the way and were the real reasons for the 2 cups in Pitt

    (just look at the highlights of those cups on NHL Network to see that is true.)

    in 3 different towns he has not only not won, he has not even come close, in many cases finishing far out of the playoffs entirely.

    so, his impact on teams success ain’t great at all.

  149. here’s a hopeful bit of trivia. last time a team came back from being down 0-3, it was NY coming back and beating the Pittsburgh Penguins. The unfortunate thing.. wrong NY team.

  150. And Hutch is another one of those AHL players. He’s awful defensively and should only be used on the PP, which is where he was used in Carolina.

  151. Immonen is slow… he had his chance, he’ll never get it again.

    To respond Doodie — you make a good point. In my blaming of the loss on Hank I wanted to make a point you can easily point the finger at anyone. Renney, Jagr and company have been the scapegoat on this blog all season. Hank doesn’t get too much flack. Fact of the matter is, you can’t have a bad game like that in such a big spot. Game 3 was arguably bigger than game 1 and 2 for us; while I agree that he stood on his head in 1, and played well in 2, that doesn’t negate the fact that he looked like Mike Dunham in game 3.

    We haven’t test Fluery at all. In fact, we’ve made it him look good. But, at the end of the day he’s up 3-0. If we want to get back into this series it starts in net. We need Hank to stand on his head and steal a game, not stand on his head and lose close.

    Win as a team, lose as a team, but call a spad a spade. Hank sucked in game 3, no question about it.

  152. Someone said the other day that they feel like they’ll get their life back when this is over, and I feel the same.

    …….

    This was me, and it is 100% true. Huge relief, you’ll probably get a promotion at work within a weeks of the blog slowing down to an almost complete halt. That said, the blog of course stays alive and there are updates every now and then… but y’know.

    It really feels like yesterday we were getting excited for the first real game of the season. This squad was so f*cking promising, I had wet dreams of watching a lot of sweet tictactoe goals and winning in a proud Red White & Blue fashion. Of hat tricks and winning streaks and deep playoff run. It was time to finally really cash in on years of misery and darkness. Years of failed UFA veterans. Easily, *the longest summer of my life* waiting to see this team take the ice…

    All I can say is that the series vs NJ made it all worth it for me this year. If we had just beaten any other team like that I could have taken it or left it, but beating NJD/Marty like that was just classic.

  153. I’m a nerd and uh I’m pretty proud of it. I’m here tonight to stand up for all the other nerds out there. I mean all our lives we’ve been picked on and put down and tonight those bastards they trashed our house. Why?

  154. “PA Parenteau, unfortunately, like Jason Krog, is a career AHL player : (”

    I don’t think this is a very fair comparison. P.A. is much younger than Krog is and hasn’t even been given a fair shot in the NHL.

    So glad to see Korpi in the lineup. As a diehard Wolf Pack/Rangers fan I wish they’d just pad the lineup with our guys.

  155. BBW AND PROUD OF IT! on

    Tony from AZ

    “It ain’t over until the fat lady sings ”
    Somebody needs to stand by the entrance at MSG tonight & make sure no fat chicks get in !!

    LET’S GO RANGERS – history in the making !!

    Spoken like a true Jacka**! Just try and keep this fat chick out of the Garden tonight! And don’t hand me any BS about you just kidding around – I don’t buy it for a second.

    LET’S GO RANGERS!!!

  156. “I think we can all agree about this on the coaching staff: Perry Pearn has to go.

    Personally, I think Renney should go too, but not until we have a top notch replacement available. It’s clear to me that Renney has hit his ceiling as a coach. I want someone who has been to the finals before. They didn’t have to win the cup, but I want someone who has been able to get their team to the finals. But I don’t want to change for the sake of changing. Why trade one Renney for another?”

    Doodie

    Doodie,
    could not agree more. Renney returned class to NYR ( and postseason hockey) but his “system” can only go so far ANDI believe it stifles talent not expands on it….OK? too deep?

    You beerbellies going to game tonight be sure you give Jags and Strakz and Shanny good send-off, win or lose this could be last time for them and ..you know being in final 8 and losing 2 yrs in a row sux but remember where you were in late 90’s and early 2K’s

    Kaspar rooting with the jersey one last time from Vermont

  157. agreed. beating the devils is what the fans got this season. at least the fans in the tri-state area can take a lot from it.

  158. “Messier still won a cup in Edm after Gretzky was traded, and he won in NY too”

    Yeah, but that Edmonton team was still STACKED, and the Rangers won the President’s trophy that year too.

    After Lemieux and Francis were out of the picture, Jagr was literally the only quality player on his team, on every other team he has been on before he came to NY, and including the first year and a half he was here.

    Not to mention that the NHL is totally different than it was before the first lockout, by virtue of expansion and a total difference in game play.

  159. Gilbert: Wait we’re allowed to have girls in the dorm?

    Louis Skolnick:Not girls Gil, WOMEN!

    Gilbert: Isn’t college great!

    Louis: It’s gonna be a great year!

  160. “Huge relief, you’ll probably get a promotion at work within a weeks of the blog slowing down to an almost complete halt.”

    Hilarious… Well done Salty, and couldn’t agree more Beer. Sometimes I’m like, wow I don’t have any time to do this, then I realized I spent 5 consecutive hours on the blog and cut my day in half. Oh well, if I were to get fired, I walk out with a smile on my face.

    Not over yet… don’t make any plans to not check the blog before we shake hands… which wont be tonight.

  161. Louis: I know there’s alumni here tonight. When you went to Adams you might’ve been called a spazz, or a dork, or a geek. Any of you that have ever felt stepped on, left out, picked on, put down, whether you think you’re a nerd or not, why don’t you just come down here and join us. Okay? Come on

  162. “Kaspar rooting with the jersey one last time from Vermont”

    Vermont is a suburb of Moscow?”

    This my reward for leading superliga in PIM, its equivilant of anti-Masterson trophy….they call it “the Stalin Placard” they send you to a beautiful green place with too many phoney-suburban driving-liberals-with idiot children-who just play soccer because of injury liability insurance….i could go on all day

  163. korposki instead of Greg Moore ?? I find that a curious move.

    Korpi is pretty good. I think hes a better player than Moore personally especially since he has a much higher upside. Its an OK move with me.

  164. I know there’s alumni here tonight. When you went to Adams you might’ve been called a spazz, or a dork, or a geek. Any of you that have ever felt stepped on, left out, picked on, put down, whether you think you’re a nerd or not, why don’t you just come down here and join us. Okay? Come on

  165. Gilbert Lowel on

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  166. Gilbert Lowel on

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  167. BillyNYC- Tony AZ on

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