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There is no need reminding the Rangers the importance of tonight against the Penguins. If they weren’t looking at TSN on the TV in their workout room or scanning the newspaper, then they needed only to look at the serious expressions on their own faces at today’s optional morning skate.

Hey, Toots, pass the Tums!

No, the season doesn’t technically ride on tonight. But it’s close enough, and everyone knows it.

“I think there’s a fine line, but I think it’s a line  we’re definitely capable of walking and having success with,” Tom Renney said of the team’s back now being against the wall. “There’s been a number of times this year when we’ve needed this game and it’s presented a certain challenge to us and we’ve risen to that challenge.

“Not to suggest yesterday wasn’t one of those games but the dynamic is what it was. I think our experienced people will be important to us tonight. I think our preparation and attention to detail will be important to us. What we’ve got to be careful of is that we don’t overprepare that it brings us to a standstill.”

Meanwhile, some notes:

<li>Blair Betts made his return to the ice and reported minimal pain a little more than a few week after foot surgery.

“I think today was a chance to see whether it was too painful to skate,” Betts said. “I would have known as soon as I put my skate on.”

But having passed that test, Betts’ return to the lineup now depends on getting his conditioning back.

“It was a tough decision,” Betts said of having the surgery. “But the week before I had it done, I couldn’t play as well or skate as well as I wanted.”

<li>Don’t look for Colton Orr back tonight. The Rangers’ enforcer was wearing a boot on his right foot, leaving his status unclear for the final four games.

<li>Without Orr again, look for the same lineup tonight as yesterday in Pittsburgh, and likely the same line combinations. That means no Sean Avery back with Jaromir Jagr and Brandon Dubinsky, a combination that seemed to have success before Scott Gomez’s injury.

“All of our lines have had success when they’re first put together,” Renney said when asked about it. “The ability to sustain that has been the trick.”
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  1. repost: i actually thought our fourth line looked the best out there last nite. with an actual center, i wouldnt mind having prucha and sjostrom together in the playoffs. i like orr but i just dont’ see him as that essential in the playoffs. dawes and cally are definitely outworking almost everyone else and i like that they throw around the body, but I am not sold on them ever being more than third line players. Dawes has more offensive upside but Cally I think will remain a good thirdliner who will provide occasional offense.

    jagr’s pp line scored yesterday b/c jagr shot the puck and dubi followed up the rebound. if they did that simple act more often they would get more goals. i like straka’s effort but on the pp i want someone who is going to finish and last couple games straka has missed some gimmies, id give dawes or prucha a chance with that group

    getting long winded but re Renney’s quote at the end, he never lets any of the lines stay together even when they play well

  2. Doodie Machetto on

    “All of our lines have had success when they’re first put together,” Renney said when asked about it. “The ability to sustain that has been the trick.”

    Except the lines yesterday, which were terrible. And also except the last set of lines, which had sustained success of a month.

    It’s like he is TRYING to lose.

  3. “All of our lines have had success when they’re first put together,” Renney said when asked about it. “The ability to sustain that has been the trick.”

    WTF is Renney talking about.When the lines were avery jagr dubi and the other 3 lines as they were, the rangers were on a tear.

    Renney = F*#king Idiot .

  4. repost:

    Points 92 and 93 will be won by us tonight. We are going to win 4-2. You heard it here first. Sean Avery will score a goal.

  5. you know Straka really has gotten a pass on his performance this yr. jagr and straka 2 big players(supposively) who get a ton of minutes and PP minutes have combined about 39 goals………………..

    if they lose both for next yr. they will be fine, there production for whatever reason is BAD…

    They have drury, gomez, dubi, and the young guys back.. they need better production for 2 of there top 6 forwards……

    Jagr is hounded by the other teams best D men and in many ways has become a decoy but Straka, needs a compass to know where north or the goal is and a tape to listen to that tells him to shoot the puck often..

  6. Doodie Machetto on

    Stuart, I have been riding Straka pretty hard this season also. He should be lmited to 3rd line and PK duties, a role that I think Sjostrom should fill next season, and I think he will do very well in.

  7. Avery seemed off his game yesterday, I wonder if that Daily News headline Saturday had something to do with it. I believe the Rangers need a pep talk from Kurt Russell” YOU CAN BEAT THESE GUYS!”

  8. “I have been riding Straka pretty hard this season also.”

    Well, maybe that’s the problem doodie. You should get off of him sometimes dude. ;)

  9. I hope the Rangers stomp the Penguins tonight.

    But it’s hard not to remember everyone on this board who was so casual about winning early on in the season, who played all-knowing about how everything would be “fine.” I don’t know about the rest of you, but fine to me isn’t letting it come down to the last week and struggling to make the playoffs. Maybe it is to a lot of people, because it supposedly means the season starts anew, but what a crock. The Rangers should never, ever have been in this position.

    I know, I’m an idiot and a hater and I don’t know ANYTHING about hockey or the NHL.

  10. I just want to make a point on Jagr…
    We always say, “well he draws the attention of at least 2 players”. Thats fine.
    I just saw the replays of yesterdays game (b/c I missed it)
    Crosby also draws the attention of at least 2 players. In fact on the first Pen goal he actually drew 4 players…yet he still set up the goal…that is the difference. Crosby and other first line stars still produce dispite being heavily covered…

  11. Doodie Machetto on

    Staalwart, I don’t think anyone is saying that Jagr can compete with those guys anymore. But that doesn’t change the fact that by drawing defenders, it makes it easier for his linemates to make plays and score.

  12. How the hell are the lines supposed to sustain success when Renney doesn’t LEAVE THEM TOGETHER long enough for them to sustain success. It looked like to me that the lines were doing just fine before Gomez got hurt and it just gave Renney the perfect time to screw with the lines. God I hate him.

  13. Dr. Ogrodnick bows to Leetch on

    Amen Chris.

    2 points in october count just as much as 2 points in march. You can’t clinch a spot in December, but you can certainly lose one. If a tree falls in the forest…..

  14. Doodie Machetto on

    Sam, did anyone mention to him the sustained success of his pre-Gomez injury line combinations?

    Or the failure of his post-Gomez injury line combinations?

  15. Doodie Machetto on

    “2 points in october count just as much as 2 points in march. You can’t clinch a spot in December, but you can certainly lose one. If a tree falls in the forest…..”

    One fish two fish, red fish blue fish, knick knack patty whack, give a dog a bone!

    Who knows the movie?

  16. One of the only good points made during the broadcast yesterday was that the Penguins’ top “shadow” focused on Gomez instead of Jagr now. Therrien can say whatever he wants about Gonchar wanting the challenge to face Jagr, but the reality is that he wanted his better defenseman, I think Gill, on Gomez instead.

    I think in Sather’s mind, it came down to Orr or Ortmeyer, since they are both right wings. That is the problem. If he looked at it as taking two of three, including Hollweg, I’m sure one of the other two could move to left wing and Hollweg could be gone. If Sather did actually look at it that way, I can’t understand what he saw in Hollweg over Ortmeyer, except for the fact that Ortmeyer and Betts are basically the same, with a little difference in speed, I think, but they are both consistently good at their job, unlike Hollweg.

  17. chris,

    a lot of us have been saying that since january but unfortunately that has been renney’s apparent strategy every season he has been coach. god bless if we win the cup, but it would be nice to play to our potential consistently

  18. SAME LINEUP !!!

    HOLLWEG AT CENTER ???? Choke, choke, choke …

    Malik again on the bench with Mara and Backman playing ??? Renney deserves to lose his job if Rangers do not make the playoffs …

  19. Dr. Ogrodnick bows to Leetch on

    But Doodie, Straka gives Jagr a spark.

    Sorry, I was almost able to say that with a straight face.

    The worst thing this team could do right now is lose this game and give the Islanders a chance to keep us from the post season. I hope Renney understands that. That means no sitting on a 1-0 lead from the first period on.

  20. Doodie Machetto on

    Pete is correct!

    SP: as far as LW/RW for Hollweg, Orty, and Orr, do you really think it makes a lick of difference which side those guys play? it’s not like the need to be on a certain side for shooting purposes.

    I also think Ortmeyer played LW at times.

  21. Doodie Machetto on

    I think based on the last game, if you want to sit someone, sit Tyutin. He’s just been awful. I think Backman and Mara are at least willing to put the puck to the net, especially Backman, he is not triggershy at all.

    Anyway. Let’s Go Rangers!

  22. Wow those predicting the score aren’t jinxing it at all….
    last time you guys predicted the Rangers winning 4-2 was when they played the Bruins..the game that went 0-0 all through the 1st,2nd, & 3rd and concluded in a shootout. (But hey, we still won didn’t we)

  23. I hate to admit it: i’m nervous about having the team’s fate in Dubliwiejnfenfhergfohicz’s hands. Or Marty’s, for that matter.

    GO RANGERS.

    Thanks, Doc.

  24. I know Doodie, and I hate to beat the dead horse but, Jagr IMO has been a huge disappointment this season. I really want both JJ and Straka to leave after the season is over. and here is why…
    Our previous discussion was about players who are candidates for the Extra Effort Award, and they were all kids (Dawes, Dubi, etc) we are all looking forward to the “youth movt”. They work hard, play with determination and leave it all out there…and though still learning, they are producing.
    Jagr and Straka are working, but I don’t see them leaving it all out there at least not on a regular basis. I see them missing or making the most basic of mistakes on a regular basis… get the puck to the net…get in the area of the net at least, I’m so sick of the pretty play, I WANT THE GRITTY PLAY, the garbage goal, the Dawes going into the net with whinny goal. The pretty ones will follow.
    I almost see two styles of play on the ice every game. The east west euro style that isn’t working for us anymore, and seems old and stale and well defended.
    Then I see the hardworking north south game that I see with the young blood and Drury, and Gomer.
    The bottom line is this team is headed in the right direction, and I’m so proud to be a Ranger fan.
    But for anyone to argue to keep Jagr or Straka, I hope you are wasting your breath…
    Now hopefully we get into the Playoffs so these kids can get some more experience under there belts…
    LGR!

  25. Who Needs Lohan on

    Seriously WTF! BeerMe or any others that support this bozo everyday….what the eff is he talking about? Did we miss something? Does he consider two games in Florida where they practically lost in their own minds before they even got into a plane the end of success of the line combos? And then this statement….”I think our preparation and attention to detail will be important to us. What we’ve got to be careful of is that we don’t overprepare that it brings us to a standstill.” Is that a direct quote from Willy Randolph from September? Play not to lose gentleman.

    I really hope they can pull themselves together, I know they only lost one game, but something just doesnt feel right here. Like I have said before, this team is so susceptible to self fulfilling prophecies. They talked themselves out of being able to score, they predetermined their stinkers vs. LA and in Florida… I may have to sit this one out tonight, between the tension, the announcers, having to look at Cindy’s DSL……

  26. Joshua Feldman on

    Renney is an idiot…Tom, IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU! Stop over-analyzing. Jagr-Dubinsky-Avery is the line to go with. Get Gomez with Shanahan and Straka, maybe having an extra playmaker with Shanahan can help make up for the fact that he is a complete waste of space, even if he still has the best shot on the team. Honestly, if it were up to me, I would bench Shanahan and bump Prucha up with Straka and Gomez, but hey that would be too smart.

  27. staal,we are headed in the right direction if next year jagr, straka, malik and probably shanny (unless he and renney are ok with him playing third or fourth line minutes) are gone, if all or most of them are back then you can expect the same kind of at best but probably worse since they will all be a year older

  28. Dr. Ogrodnick bows to Leetch on

    Avery Dubinsky Jagr
    Dawes Gomez Shanny
    Prucha Drury Callahan
    Sjoesrtom Straka Hollweg

    Those would be my lines.

  29. Did anybody see Willy O’Ree and Kevin Weekes on everybody hates chris last night? hilarious

  30. Yeah Pete,
    I almost feel like those players are standing in the way of the Drury’s, Gomers, Staals, etc.

  31. A win tonight & Avery gets hookers for the whole team !
    LGR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  32. Just curious, am I the only one you appreciates how bad Shanahan has become? He drags down his entire line and his power play unit. He won’t check, he can’t skate, can’t carry puck through neutral zone, has no vision, runs from contact and won’t stand in front on power play. To be fair, he seems to be good in shoouts, even though he uses exact same glove-side high move every time and he does have the best shot from slot.

  33. Don’t judge Shanny until the season is over & that includes the playoffs.
    God I want 2 points tonight !

  34. nakedjoe

    I know, I wonder why he ever changes it up since it never does work… and who referred to the shootout with Mali’s winning goal. The announcers kept saying not that Hollweg has a good shot but that the goalies said he has a tricky shot. Kind of like what happened this year with Rozsival being put in to the shootout. THe thing is I think Hollweg’s shot had nothing to it, I need to find the video of it again to be certain. And Rozsival just flat out did the wrong thing in the shootout this year… the goalies said he had a good shot hard, then the moron decided to try and shoot five whole…

  35. Just an observation: Fedor Tyutin has a remarkable ability to never hit the net with his shot.

  36. But it’s hard not to remember everyone on this board who was so casual about winning early on in the season, who played all-knowing about how everything would be “fine.” I don’t know about the rest of you, but fine to me isn’t letting it come down to the last week and struggling to make the playoffs. Maybe it is to a lot of people, because it supposedly means the season starts anew, but what a crock. The Rangers should never, ever have been in this position.

    I know, I’m an idiot and a hater and I don’t know ANYTHING about hockey or the NHL.

    ……….

    Chris F, dewd… don’t you realize it’s okay to come down to the wire like this, again, *since so many other teams are in the same position*…? LOL

    I’m with you 100%, and the people who have been here know the people who were calling this “squeaking into the playoffs” nonsense long ago… it’s no way to run a club. For all the Rangers “hard work” down the stretch, this time they might not be so lucky because of not showing up and losing to really bad teams.

    You have *got* to hold Tom Renney largely accountable somewhere, be it playing the wrong system for the players he’s been given, or for the inability to fire a spark under them and get them to listen to what he tells them to do.

    Someone said it earlier… we’ve had less than 8 “solid, fully realized potential” games this season.

  37. You know…maybe we should fire renney right now. There are so many people here that can coach a team better. I don’t know why sather won’t read your applications for the coaching job. I’d rather have you guys as the coach anyday. Unreal, you guys are a broken record. You better get used to him as the coach, cause he’s not going anywhere. Take the next few years off fella’s, come back when he moves on. Get over it.

    I’m not getting baited into that arguement again. In the same post people will say “jagr isn’t doing this, the D sux, this guy sux, that guy sux, hanks inconsistent, etc.” Well which is it?

    Also…I’d rather have Ortmeyer with his stick upside down than hollweg anyday.

    doodie – I can’t say I totally followed the ‘I’m driving’ thing. But you know that was just a little joke right?

  38. all shanny does now is shoot from wherever he gets the puck in the offensive zone, great if he is 2 feet from the goal, not so great when he is basically at the blueline against the boards…like those lines Dr. O, but no way that happens

  39. I’ve always said that. It doesn’t really matter whether Hollweg is playing with a lefty or righty stick. He’s like one of those guys in the Bubble hockey game, he just skates with the puck right into the boards. It’s as if he doesn’t know that the ultimate goal is to put the puck in the net. It’s almost as if he thinks as long as he can keep the puck out of his end and run the clock, it’s been a successful shift…Prucha in front on the powerplay anyone!!??

  40. Do we all remember the 3 games that Hank cost us when he let in those horrible-angle goals? That’s 6 points in the standings. Not to mention him becoming ‘average’ in the shootout?

    Do we have to look at Jagr’s point total this year to see that just a handful of goals could have been the difference in the division?

    Do we have to look at the fact that it took a good portion of the fall to integrate 2 new centers into the mix?

    Do we have to look at our average D corp to realize that maybe we DON’T have the right players to live up to the expectations of ‘coasting into the playoffs’?

    You can pick whoever or whatever you want to blame the struggle on this year. But the fact of the matter is, it doesn’t make a difference who any of us think is at fault. We’ll see who’s here and who’s not next season. But for now, this is who ya got. So either accept it and support your team, or continue to bitch and moan like a broken record. The latter makes me sick.

  41. Beer me – right on !
    This our team – I support who ever we have right now.
    I worry about next year – next year !
    LGR !!!!!!

  42. Who Needs Lohan on

    Hank got better in the shootouts when we had like 8 of them in a row! Just sayin……

    More importantly, lets play a game of who has bigger DSL, Cindy Crosby, Maria Bartoromo or Angelina Jolie. Discuss.

  43. Hopefully McCreary isn’t the ref tonight or we will not win. Otherwise I think we pull one our of our asses.

  44. Unreal, you guys are a broken record.

    ….

    It goes both ways, Beer. Like it or not… we are in between a rock and a hard place, again. We’ll probably get in, but at this point its clear that things have not “got going for us”… we never hit that stride we we’re all looking forward to. It never came together. Can it still? Of course, anything is possible. Is it probable? I think even you will find very much evidence to make that case.

    I agree, Renney’s probably not going anywhere. He’s way, way, way too smooth of a talker (I’m talking Bill Clinton smooth)…and there are not many better options out there that I know of personally. He’ll spin it however he has to, no question, he’s had about 78 times to practice that thick lip service this season. However, if this team does not make the playoffs…after those “MAJOR” off season moves, I do not understand how anyone could not hold Renney largely accountable. Really, that is not an insane argument to make.

    I think you’d be pretty hard pressed supporting the idea that this guy is going to lead us to any sort of Cup in the future after if he can not get the 2008 Rangers into the post season.

  45. Doodie – uh, *didn’t I say that?* I was trying to determine what was in *Sather’s* head. I said that it probably wouldn’t be a big deal to move somebody.

    Salty – So only two teams in the East are successful this season?

    Who Needs Lohan – You probably need to throw some black people into that poll. Honestly, they have the bigger lips. I thought Crosby might have some African heritage or something.

  46. Beer Me! – I don’t understand why we can’t criticize Renney for decisions he makes before games. Isn’t that part of his job? Or do you just defend him to the death? Please tell us when it is okay to criticize the coach.

  47. Good/Great coaches make teams with minimal “talent”, competetive.

    I mean, in the age of the salary cap, ideally, EVERYTHING comes down to coaching…if the idea is “evenly distributed talent”, no?

    What good is a coach who barely makes the post season with an overflow of talent? Seriously?

    The broken record plays on it’s B side too, Beer. You contend Renney is great…. he’s climbing the “wins” list for sure.

    I suppose the proof is in the Playoffs…

  48. “I’m talking Bill Clinton smooth”

    That’s good stuff salty. And I think that of any discussion we’ve had regarding the coach, that was the most complete and fair side I’ve ever seen from you. I actually mean it when I say ‘thank you’…and not in a smarta$$ way. And I totally agree. This team doesn’t make the playoffs…see ya Tom. But don’t lose sight of the fact that as ‘smooth’ as he may be, every single coach in the NHL is the same way. Tom just does it a bit better.

    Spider – It’s not that people criticize Renney. It’s that they hold 1 person soley accountable for the “lack of dominance”. And with the same breath say that so many guys are underperforming.

    “I don’t understand why we can’t criticize Renney for decisions he makes before games.”

    Because most of you do it BEFORE you even see how it plays out! That’s just … I cant even find a word to describe how I feel about that!

    There are LOTS of ‘good’ coaches out there that there teams are going to miss the playoffs, and some not even come close.

  49. “Good/Great coaches make teams with minimal “talent”, competetive.”

    Ruff, Maurice, Nolan, Torts…all bad coaches from that perspective. But they sure know how to yell and scream huh?

    I understand that it plays on both sides. Before Renney was hired, I coulda named 5-6 coaches that I would rather, including 3 of the 4 I mentioned above. But after I saw Renney take an organization that was at rock bottom and bring them back to where it’s tolerable to watch, well, I’m pro-Renney.

  50. Oh, and add Ken Hitchcock to that list. Both lists. Apparently he’s a ‘bad’ coach by your standards. And I’d certainly have him coachmy team. Unfortunately we don’t need a coach, we need a #1 RW. And 3 Dmen.

  51. Who Needs Lohan on

    yeah spider, i just picked three people with big lips, and then you went there@!@!@! Salty, you said we never really hit that stride. I kinda disagree, im not gonna go back and do the calculation but have we lost more than 5 games in regulation since that Boston weekend? Maybe 6 or 7 but not much more than that.

  52. Salty – So only two teams in the East are successful this season?

    I really don’t think that’s an outrageous thing to say. Look at the West, and then think about what it takes to get the Cup, and then think about who ‘honestly’ could even *dream* of contending from the East…and there’s your answer.

    ….

    There are LOTS of ‘good’ coaches out there that there teams are going to miss the playoffs, and some not even come close.

    …..

    Right, absolutely. It takes the right combination. Maybe REnney would have more *relative* “success” with one of those teams?
    He took us from bad to pretty good… I think it takes someone else to takes from “pretty good” to “very, very dangerous”

    And wait, are you serious, if we don’t make playoffs, it changes your stance on Renney? I don’t of don’t understand that… I mean it is *going* to come down to a couple of points either way… you’ll base a new opinion on that? That would surprise me…

  53. make that stereotypes.

    beer,

    we had this discussion in january believe so no real need to rehash this late in the season. renney got a lot of credit for restoring this team to a respectable level but the reality most of that credit should go to Jagr and Henrik who carried the team for two years. now u can give some credit to renney for coddling jagr and getting him to play but its becoming more and more clear that catering to and coddling superstar egos is renneys best attribute.

  54. Beer Me! – The reason we are criticizing this particular decision is because we have already seen how it played out last game. It seemed to barely work against a more defensive team in the Devils, but not against the Penguins. The lines he should go to worked for that point streak.

  55. I kinda disagree, im not gonna go back and do the calculation but have we lost more than 5 games in regulation since that Boston weekend?

    …..

    Lohan… kind of contradicting. Don’t you say we shouldn’t be playing “not to lose”?

    Now you’re gauging success by how many games “we haven’t lost in regulation”.

    I kinda judge by how many we win in regulation to tell if my team is “good”.

  56. Oh, and Renney won’t be fired this year, even if this was a more competent organization. He made the playoffs two years in a row, doing unexpectedly well.

  57. i’ll drop it after this spider but tell a black person about your astute observation and see how they respond. that is a racist remark

  58. I just think it’s typical of NY-area sports fans to look for the coaches head first. Coaches understand when they go into the profession that more times than not they will be shown the door before they think their time is up.

    Some of the greatest coaches in history have been fired. Some because they were made a scapegoat, some b/c they feuded with players, some b/c they just couldn’t put all the pieces together year after year.

    As Ranger fans, we got used to the revolving door swinging freely as coaches came and went. And some of you/us were comfortable just saying: “well, at least he’s gone”. And nothing changed when the next guy came in. The organization decided to go into the post-lockout NHL with a ‘build for the future’ mentality, and a defensive approach to the game. Thus, putting a coach at the helm with the mind-set to suit. And bringing in the players to give the NYR the identity it wanted.

    Gone are the days of the coaches revolving door, and the days of a team full of overpaid has-been’s. This is an organization that is fixed on its goal and the path it will take there.

  59. I’m not looking for anyone to agree with me on it.

    On that ….. I’m outta work early to catch a train and Blarney burger & wings.

    Enjoy the game everyone.

  60. Pete – Have you ever seen the _Chappelle’s Show_ skit “The Niggar Family”? A specific line from that is the best example of which I can think that proves my point.

  61. I don’t care what mentality he has, as long as it includes rewarding players who do what he asks of them and punishing players who don’t. If you don’t shoot on the PP and/or crash the net, then you sit. End of story. A coach who makes rules and fails to enforce them is not a good coach in my book.

  62. Who Needs Lohan on

    yeah, salty, I was just saying that we put the run together we needed to get into playoff contention. Could we be better, hell yeah, could we be more aggressive, yeah! But yeah, you got me, that was a contradiction

  63. Beer me, I think there is a wealth of truth in what you say, but I also think that *every* situation is different and needs to treated as such! I know we can’t just “kick another guy out” just to do it and let a head roll … but I also don’t think we can just thoughtlessly keep someone on because we’ve kicked too many guys out. I mean if you were divorced 5 times in 5 years and your 6th wife came home with clorox breath every night a 4am… would you stick with her just because of how many you’d been though….? You might…. but you shouldn’t “just because”… the team should not settle IMO,not “get comfortable under MrNiceGuy, especially not now that we have so much talent!

  64. Who Needs Lohan on

    Beer Me wrote “Gone are the days of the coaches revolving door, and the days of a team full of overpaid has-been’s. This is an organization that is fixed on its goal and the path it will take there.”

    I like that in theory but do we have the right personnel to achieve that? I personally dont think so but I guess am willing to give it time. I dont need my coach to be hanging over the bench screaming and yelling but I do want him to have a killer instict and not be passive. Hockey is an intense sport, and it needs a guy with fire to be in charge IMO

  65. ok, the faster I type, the faster I leave work….

    salty – I agree with part of that too. Can’t go into details, but a lot of it has to do with NOT having Jags on this team. I think it would look completely different.

    see ya guys!

  66. What has Renney done that he should be fired? I don’t get it!
    What, has he not listened to us…who the hell are we…fans, “monday morning quarterbacks”, he doesn’t get paid to listen to us. He’s paid to do the best job he can, with the players he has…I’m gonna have to trust him, though I may not like his decisions every game, overall I think he’s a pretty good coach…but keep in mind, his team is a work in progress. Lets see where it goes.

  67. renney is a moron. straka makes the jagr line a east west circling crap again. and he carries the puck, which negates what Dubi does.

    the same with the other combos that worked before.

    Renney is so stubborn, this game is on him, and him alone. if they lose, he is mainly to blame.

    however, I doubt they will lose, simply because the Pens have not shown up or played well at all in MSG this season

  68. What, has he not listened to us…who the hell are we…fans, “monday morning quarterbacks”, he doesn’t get paid to listen to us. He’s paid to do the best job he can…

    ….

    What has he not done? He hasn’t made our team a THREAT, that’s for sure. And if “he’s doing the best he can”, we abso-LUTELY need to drop him, because his best is clearly, clearly, clearly not good enough to get this team *BEATING* (the tish out of) OTHER TEAMS.

    He doesn’t have to listen to the fans… and he wouldn’t hear it from the fans, if he was doing a solid job.

  69. There’s a lot more that we don’t see and don’t know that goes into the decision making that Renney does on a day-to-day basis. That said, do I disagree with removing Avery from the Jagr line, especially now that Gomez is back? Absolutely. But this is one of the few moves Renney has made all year that I disagree with.

    Yesterday, the Rangers outplayed Pittsburgh 5 on 5. No, they didn’t create a TON of chances, but they did create some. What undid with was penalties, which hopefully will not happen tonight at home. Hopefully the Rangers will benefit from some home cooking in terms of the officiating and score on their power play chances.

  70. FIRST, I CANT beleive RENNEy is not putting thelines back together? What the hell is his reasoning? They worked> they scored goals? F738ing AS@H3LE!!
    This is such a stupid move on his part. I agree with Salty that we should see a win tonight (I PRAY it is 5-2 rangers, Avery with a goal) but he’s jsut playing wiht fire again

    Avery-JAgr-Duby
    Dawes-Gomer-Shanny
    Straka-Drury-Cally
    Shoey-Hollweg-Prucha

    WHY WOULDNT he put these lines on for tonight
    I get so angry with his retarded decisions sometimes it drives me nuts!!!

  71. There’s a lot more that we don’t see and don’t know that goes into the decision making that Renney does on a day-to-day basis.

    ….

    RobC

    That’s absolutely true. All we see is the on ice results. Which have been very unflattering this year. Quite frankly, I think our record is very, very, very, very generous for ho wour team has played this season. I think we’re “lucky” that the East was so rubbish this season, and that a LOT of teams are not/were not “very good”. I mean this could have been a very ugly year for the Rangers. God, it is so frustrating to think about what this year could have been with the right guidance.

    It will take way more than a little Black Magic to get this team even past the first round….and I’m not talking about Nigel Dawesome.

  72. Our team is 5th in points in the conference with at least one (Jagr) dramtically underachieving franchise player relative to past performance. To say that we should fire the coach is kind of ridiculuous. The coach doesn’t play the games and I think most would agree that games have been lost by the players on the ice.

    Bring on the blah blah blah about not playing this guy (prucha) or that guy (some no name from Hartford) or benching a star. How many incremental wins do you really think that brings over a season, 1 or 2?

    The coach can only “coach”, he can’t execute. I think we’ve seen that the Rangers can play on the same level as any team in the league. I hold responsibility for the season with the players, I don’t think anything Renney’s done or hasn’t done this season warrants a train ticket out of town.

  73. “I agree with Salty that we should see a win tonight”

    Hey, not for nothin’…but I didn’t say that.

    If I had to hypothesize… I’d say we pick up the 1 point, making Crosby an OT/SO hero for PIT. Where would that put us?
    It is so pathetic that we are playing by the skin of our teeth again. Goddamn that is so freakin embarrasing, am I wrong?

    Sorry, I’m trying to stay cool today….

  74. Salty,

    I think it’s partly on Renney and partly on the players. 1 issue that Renney has no control over is age. And age took hold of two of our main players…Jagr and Shanahan. There was no crystal ball for Renney to look at that would have told him “Jagr just will not be able to score and Shanahan will barely be skating better than Colton Orr by season’s end”. Not making excuses here, but these are certainly facts. You’d have to think Renney would have gone into the season counting on his vets, and then they turn up to be perhaps a year too old.

    In that sense, I think he’s reacted well by putting Jagr with Dubinsky and Shanahan with Gomez. This, to me, is an example of GOOD coaching. That said, it took a while for chemistry to develop. Chemistry, IMO, is a function of coaching and of the players themselves. So neither Renney nor the players are blameless for this season’s underachievements.

  75. of course, the players are mainly responsible for the final results. but, you can’t fire 23 players, so the coach gets looked at first.

    but, to say that a coach makes NO difference is also stupid. the red wings went from winners to playoff early round losers when scotty bowman retired and clueless softy dave lewis took over.

  76. There was no crystal ball for Renney to look at that would have told him “Jagr just will not be able to score and Shanahan will barely be skating better than Colton Orr by season’s end”. Not making excuses here, but these are certainly facts. You’d have to think Renney would have gone into the season counting on his vets, and then they turn up to be perhaps a year too old.

    ..

    RobC…

    No crystal ball? Doesn’t take a gypsy to see you can’t run Shanny into the ground in November. The crystal ball is the rearview mirror looking back to last year when Shanny was massive to start the season and it didn’t take long to fizzle when riding 2nd line, PP, and PK minutes… Holy Smokes.

    And Jagr… I’m even gonna go there with you. I’ll just agree that I don’t think anyone saw that ship sailing … and continue to pray that he moves on in the post season.

  77. Guys…..CHILLLLLLL OUT!

    We are all bummed about the abhorrent game yesterday from a ref standpoint and a Rangers laziness standpoint.

    We have a big game tonight. I can sense the tension on the blog.

    Go to your happy place people. Get ready for a big rumble tonight.

    Let’s keep the “Renney sucks, fire him,” “Jagr should go to Russia,” “Shanny should hang em up,” comments to a minimum right now.

    Are those lines worthy of discussion? Yes.

    Are they pertinent to the job at hand tonight and for the final 4 of the year? NO. Absolutely not. Nothing drastic will be done with those comments.

    Let’s just focus on tonight’s game and talk about what we want to see.

    Let’s not waste time on what we have seen in the past, who cost us what, and why we are only hanging onto 6th place by our b*lls.

    Live for the now people.

    LGR.

  78. Salty (dumpster crawler) March 31st, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    What has he not done? He hasn’t made our team a THREAT, that’s for sure. And if “he’s doing the best he can”, we abso-LUTELY need to drop him, because his best is clearly, clearly, clearly not good enough to get this team BEATING (the tish out of) OTHER TEAMS.

    What teams consistently beat the “tish” out of other teams?
    Detroit? Sharks? that would be 2 out of 30

  79. With that, I want to see someone run Crosby. I don’t care who it is. I will a penalty for it. You know someone on their team will take an instigator once it happens.

    Run Crosby.

  80. I was just trying to point out that Jagr was a key guy coming into this season and his underperforming has thrown a whole slew of things into the equation for Renney that simply weren’t there before. No coach could have seen that Jagr was gonna go from a 100 point guy to a 70 point guy in the blink of an eye.

    Would a better coach have reacted and solved the problems more efficiently and effectively? That’s debatable. Sure you can say that, but remember that a lot of coaches can’t deal with Jagr even when he IS producing. There are so many little factors here.

    Salty, I’m totally not arguing with you here, I think we’re supplementing each other’s points rather well. I try to be positive about this team on a day-to-day basis, but I am in TOTAL 100% AGREEMENT that they have underachieved. I envisioned a 50 win hockey team that finished 1st in the conference. Instead, we have a team clawing for a playoff spot. So be it. We’ve gotta root for what we have here in 2008 and make the necessary adjustments going forward when that time comes.

  81. SpeedSkatORR on

    Hi everyone!

    Due to family obligations, I was unable to watch the game. Did Orr get hurt or something? I am curious!

  82. Hey SpeedSkatORR –

    Yes, they said Colton Orr sat out yesterday with a foot injury. Sam just reported that he’ll probably be out again tonight, so Petr Prucha will remain in the lineup.

  83. I wasn’t around yesterday but I wanted to talk about Crosby. You can say what you want about him and say hes a whiner, but its because hes young. People said the same crap about Gretz and Lemeiux when they were coming up and now look at what people see them as. I dunno how many of you watch the Pens play, but I’d say most of the time, Crosby gets a beating and gets no calls. Sometimes, like last night he got away with a lot, but hes treated a lot like Jagr more regularly than when he gets away with everything.

  84. As much as a I agree with all the Crosby bashing and the ref bashing going on here, we still only scored 1 freekin goal!!!!! Jagr looks lost out there, Renney split up what little chemistry the team had this season, do you guys really think we can beat teams like Detroit, or the Sharks, come on…

  85. Guys…CHILLLLLLL OUT!
    I can sense the tension on the blog.

    This is, by far, one of the “chillest actual discussion threads” this blog has seen in quite a while. There’s a civil back and forth going on, there is very very little anger toward one another IMO.

    Excuse those of us that are already thinking ahead to next season. Not to discount this season, but next season IS coming as well, and to some of us it’s worth discussing.

    EVEN IF the Rangers won the Cup this year, I would still want changes for 2009, I don’t think that’s too crazy.

  86. Jonny D

    All I can agree with is Crosby is young and, obviously going to be immature, spoiled, whiner, whatever. Gretzky was very similar.

    But to say he take uncalled abuse, like Jagr? Ehhh I dunno man… I will tell you one thing… he is *making* that reputation for himself to be a young Jagr-esque whiner/princess though…. and as we see right now with Jaromir that is a really, really tough label to shake. The faster he grows up, the better off he’s gonna be. Refs *may* have pressure to give him a bit off leeway, but if you don’t think deep down they hate hearing him bitch like a baby just as much as everyone else, you are CRAZY! He’s got a couple more years to grow up… if he’s still acting like a child at 25-26… it’s NOT good for the NHL, and they will come down on him.

  87. Schony

    I agree.

    Renney is an idiot !!

    Aves, Dubi, and Jagr has made all 3 of those players better. Straka flat out sucks, just like Jagr, he’s nothing without Nylander. Id take him for his defensive game, and hard work, but not for his offense. I really hope this team dumps Jagr and Straka, and tries to get Hossa, if not what ever. If Shanny retires, sign Rolston, the guys can put up 30 goals, he’s great on the PP, and him and Gomez, and Drury played together.

    But enough aboot the future. Renney isnt a great coach, if he was, this team would be battling for the top 3 spots, not barely staying in the playoffs. He cant handle a team like this. Like ive said a few times, he can handle teams like the 05-06 team. He should be let go, im not a big fan of his at all. Its not because of this season, it was mostly towards the mid way point of last season.

    Either way, if Nyr loses tonight, there in deep shit. Caps are 3 points back. Suddenly it seems like we wont be making the playoffs but i wont lose hope. The leaders need to step it up tonight.

  88. PENS-sylvania March 31st, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    Fleury is the biggest jerk on the Pens. if you have ever seen the local car dealer comm’l that has some of the pens in it, Fleury acts like a wise ass punk in it.

    Gonchar is embarrassing trying to act, and malkin just stands there with the deer in the headlights look, as he can’t figure out what anyone is saying.

    ——————-

    haha. exactly. that commercial is hilarious because it is so bad. worse than amateurish.

  89. Thats right tonite, the game is on versus, so get ready for some more Crosby a@# kissing. They will probably do a highlight reel of his whole life..

  90. “renney can’t handle a team like this”
    That’s ok. Cause this won’t be the team you are next year. Take jags out of the equation and you have a different team.

  91. Sorry Salty, thoguht you wrote that “we will see a win tongiht”
    I pray we do, although I have a gut feeling, especially after yesterdays little skirmishes, that tonight will be a very physical game.

    And it is funny to see how well behaved and logical everyone is blogging today. I guess it’s becasue we all realize hwo imprtant this game, and the final three are to our playoff contention

    Well Im out early, going to stout’s if anyone wants to join, I’ll be there at 5:30
    HOPEFULLY we can all talk tomorrow about hwo this was a beautiful win

    LETS GO RANGERS!!!

  92. renney has dampened some of the offensive and forechecking enthusiasm of the young Ranger guys like Dubi, Dawes, and Cally and Prucha by his stupid sag back system that he insists on to keep the score down. it keeps the kids from really strutting their stuff, and doing what they do best.

    Renney has a team of horses with the reins pulled back.

  93. I just think even he’s not really sure what he want’s his guys to do/ and probably speaks to them in technical SAT words giving them an different ambiguous message everynight that they just stand there and nod along with, not having a complete idea what Tom Dictiona-Renney is actually saying…to afraid to ask him… then they either go to Jags or Shanny to find out, you get those two guys spinning their interpretation/motives/styles into the mix, and thats where you get a team not playing in the same page, never finding the chemistry. It starts from the coach.

    The players are the chemicals. It’s up the scientist genius coach to find the right recipe for success. He had some very potent ingredients this year, some more than others, some going a little stale. But he’s got no concoction to show for himself yet. And he had a LOT more ingredients than most others.

  94. I’m off to the game. Hopefully MSG will be LOUD tonight and show Cindy and the Pens what a real hockey arena sounds like.

    Let’s Go Rangers!!!

  95. “But he’s got no concoction to show for himself yet. And he had a LOT more ingredients than most others.”

    Salty, that could be the problem…too many ingredients doesn’t always make a great dish…
    Sometimes the basics work just fine…forget all the spice…

  96. fleury isn’t in the commercial, its armstrong, talbot, malkin and Gonchar

    talbot is the wiseguy who makes that wierd noise

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