Actually, Jagr decides, it never hurts to talk

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As I noted today (although my story is curiously not online this morning) and John Dellapina “elaborated on”:http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/2008/03/28/2008-03-28_jaromir_jagr_may_be_russian_to_leave.html, Jaromir Jagr reversed course from yesterday’s morning skate and said he would at least hear out representatives from Omsk about a return there next season.

The timing is curious, to put it mildly. On one hand, Jagr says it’s not the right time to be discussing such matters with the Rangers in the middle of a stretch drive. But he also plans to do just that when Omsk GM Anatoly Bardin comes to New York next week — with another purpose of the trip to talk to the Rangers about a transfer fee for Alexei Cherepanov.

Either way, it’s looking more and more like Jagr’s tenure in New York will end after this season. The only way I see that changing is if the Rangers make a spirited playoff run and the captain proves himself to be indispensable in helping the team get over the hump. Otherwise, we might have to savor his various idiosyncrasies while we still can.

Meanwhile, in other news:

<li>In addition to playing what may have been his most impressive game as a Ranger, Scott Gomez went public with his preferred nickname for Nigel Dawes: “Black Magic” (hardly politically correct, I know, but as a minority in hockey himself, Gomez may have some latitude). This, mind you, was after trying to get his teammates to call him, “Blood and Guts,” and after his failed attempt to pin the name “The Big Smooth” on Brendan Shanahan earlier in the season. Shanahan shut that one down himself. “Actually, I prefer Brendan,” Shanahan said at the time.

<li>Dawes scored his second big goal on Martin Brodeur in eight days, with last night’s backbreaker (get it?) following his shootout clincher in Newark last Wednesday. “At least he can’t say I fanned on this one,” Dawes said.

<li>The Rangers are off today, and reconvene tomorrow before heading to Pittsburgh. I’ll check in later..

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  1. Probably shoulda got something for him at the deadline eh? Future anyone?

    It’s definitely good if he goes back to play there. If they won’t allow Cherepanov go, it’ll give him the chance to play with Jags. That could be very beneficial to us. Having a kid come over already knowing what to expect from a guy that’s been in the spotlight here, no?

  2. Dawes was really solid last night and he was throwing big hits. Very noticable difference. He also made an excellent defensive play in front of the net that prevented Parise from getting to a loose puck in front of Hank who was down at the time.

  3. Dawes with SEVEN hits last night. And I can’t believe he was creative enough to fall on his back to push the puck past marty. I kid. :)

    A great game by Dawes. No better time to play your best hockey.

  4. beer me- in reference to jagr and alexei playing together..

    actually that would be horrible for cherepanov’s development, considering he’d likely slide to the #3 RW on that team..and that 3rd line players in the RSL are pretty limited in terms of ice time.

  5. also if jagr is playing in russia i cant imagine his work ethic is going to be stellar example for the kid.

    great game last nite, not much to complain about especially seeing that backstrom totally redeemed himself

  6. I expect Jagr to have a much higher work ethic over there than he does here.

    BackMAN that is Pete. ;)

  7. “johnnyD – My job requires me to ‘evaluate risk’. There is ZERO risk going up the boards with that puck, and THAT was the right play. I’m not going to crucify the guy for making a mistake. Hey, sh-t happens. But it’s not the 1st time. That’s all I’m sayin.

    But if I were ranking our 7 dmen, he’d be #6.”

    I never said it WAS the right play, I just said he was trying to make what he thought was the right play by sending Dubi in on a breakaway or at least on an odd-man rush. That was my fault on the wording though.

    Funniest part of the game last night was when this guy with a Devils jersey and a Devils goalie mask walks by. People start booing him, then as he walks by and you can actually see the back of the jersey, it has #30 and the name is “I Suck”. Hysterical.

    Also I know it probably got mixed up in one of my other posts, but did they show Lundqvist skate out of his crease to the blueline on TV when the Avery/Brodeur thing went down? He really looked like he was ready to go out there and throw down if anything serious happened. It was pretty awesome actually. haha.

  8. johnnyD – no worries man. I think I knew what you meant. I was just trying to clarify my own position on it, that’s all.

    They didn’t show it.

  9. That could be very beneficial to us. Having a kid come over already knowing what to expect from a guy that’s been in the spotlight here, no?
    ……….

    Eh, honestly … I’d seriously rather Jagr not taint our youth with his ideologies of the game. He’s been very unable to adapt to the latest landscape of the changing NHL, he may be aged, but 35-36 is hardly a dinosaur anymore. I’d rather Chere come here and learn our game than fly over with some preconceived ideas implemented by frickin Jaromir Jagr…. largely recognized as the princess of the NHL.

  10. It’s time to move on with jagr, he definitely was part of the resurgence of ranger hockey getting back to the playoffs. I like to see the rangers go after Malone from Pittsburgh, who is young, has size and can score. It was nice to see Backman redeem himself last night by scoring the 2nd goal to tie the game. I thought Parise made a great play there by knocking down the puck, controlling it on his stick blade and skating hard to the net all in one motion. Great game last night, it was like a game 7 of a playoff series.

  11. Beer Me!
    So Backman’s contract is $2.2mn, what do you think he’s worth?

    Just to put this into context, current salaries
    Rozsival – $3.0mn, will get more next contract
    Mara – $3.0mn
    Malik – $2.5mn
    Tyutin – $1.03mn, $2.85mn on next contract
    Staal – $0.85mn but he’s on his rookie contract
    Girardi – $0.55mn, $1.55mn on next contract (undrafted)
    Strudwick – $0.5mn

  12. What does everyone think about Callahan’s breakaway attempt?

    It was a great pass (not sure who made the pass). Callahan gets off a shot and the whiner gloves it. Can you imagine if Callahan scores on that chance?

  13. Wow, what a great game by Gomez.His heart & attitude are a joy to watch, not to mention his speed & skill.
    Does anyone beside me think this Ranger team is proving to be a very gutty & resilient team, able to bounce back from adversity when others might fold. After that Montreal debacle & the back to back losses in Florida the Rangers showed me a great mental strength. Recently they are also showing an ability to overcome deficits in games, which is a great sign. Yeah, they make mistakes, but they don’t fold when they do.

    Callahan is flying all over, hitting everything in sight.

    Can’t believe no penalty was being called for interference when Dawes was taken down without the puck on his flukey goal.
    “Marty”, is showing to be a classless, whiney, bad loser when things not going his way.
    I’m sure Hank is secretly elated after the recent comments by him.
    I still feel that if somehow the PP shows up, we are an elite team, especially if Hank keeps up his Great play for the duration.
    Great time of year, NCAA Tourney, Hockey & the Yankees all happening.
    Go Rangers.

  14. It’s really not much of a surprise that Jagr looks like he might bounce… I’m not sure how anyone who’s been watching him this season couldn’t see that coming… that’s why I thought it was a no brainer to trade him and milk the “jagr cow” while we could… say what you will, he would have afforded us a pretty good return from one of the loaded teams that are on pace for a serious shot at the cup.

    And what the hell? Who wants to resign this guy, after his showing this season, and now the fact that he’s entertaining offers from RSL or whatever. Do you really want to resign another “50% Jagr”? (Recognize he will probably NOT accept/handle a diminished role very well)

  15. Salty – I didn’t mean that in reference to ‘the game’. I meant it in reference to a city that big, a fanbase this demanding. Otherwise, I’m in 110% agreement with your comment.

    JJP – I’m not an arbitrator. If you’d like me to base my arbitration on 9 games. I’d say: “Slats shoulda left him in St Louis”. Again, only 9 games. In all honesty, and as polite as I can be on this. I’d like to move on from the Backman thing. My comments are being blown WAY WAY out of proportion. And to protect my opinion, I’m ending my part of the conversation for now. Saying someone is “average” is not making someone a ‘whipping boy’.

  16. “I thought it was a no brainer to trade him and milk the “jagr cow” while we could”

    MEEEEEE TOOOOO.

  17. “Gotta agree there…I thought he’d be on suicide watch, Instead he completely sniped Marty on the near corner. That was a sharp shot.”

    Did Salty take his “compliment” pills?? Something positive from him for the first time…wow.

    I agree with Newman. Salty what is your take on Drury, now?

  18. Can’t say I am upset with the idea about Jagr not being a Ranger next season.The Rangers got one great season(he was jipped out of the Hart Trpohy by the Canadian writers),one good season and one mediocre season out of Jagr post- lockout.

    Time to move on.

  19. Who Needs Lohan on

    Something tells me that Lundqvist asked Avery to stir up some trouble last night w/ Marty Brazier. I think he is fired up and wants to go Roy style on his ass.

  20. Backman’s cap number is $2.3 million next season.His salary is $3.4 million

    Roszival’s cap number is $2.1 million.His salary is $2.3 million.

    Girardi’s cap number is $750,000 which includes the $200,000 performance bonus

    I have no problem with Backman’s $2.3 million cap number for next season which is less than what the Rangers paid out to Mara and Malik(individually speaking)this season.

  21. Don’t let Jagr taint the youth, bring Chere over here and let Gomez taint the youth with hard-working play and teach that kid to play with heart.

    To be honest…I’d be happpy to see Jagr leave…
    I’ve thought that for most of the season…he just doesn’t have it anymore…He is our first line RW and hasn’t really produced like a first line RW all season…
    And if he doesn’t leave the NHL…let him leave the Rangers…
    Drawing two players every game doesn’t necessarily translate into scoring opportunities because he rarely can feed an open teammate with 2 guys all over him

  22. Nick – agreed on him being jipped on that trophy. I think he should have won it for sure. Not so much b/c of the season HE had. But b/c Thornton was traded from boston b/c he couldn’t produce there. Jagr on the other hand, just about dominated the league while playing under that knid of pressure….to get a team into the playoffs that hadn’t been there in 7 seasons.

    Jagr played 2 AWESOME seasons for us, and helped pull the team out of a horrible rut. But his time is coming to an end and it’s time to move on. I don’t have any hard feelings towards him. Moreso slats for not looking ahead.

  23. God I love talking Rangers. I don’t even care what the topic is! haha

    A good day to be a fan. So much satisfaction beating that team 7 times.

  24. Nick where did you get the cap numbers? I seem to recall someone putting up a link that had all sorts of colored boxes with the cap numbers, type of free agent, etc. Anyone have the link?

  25. Salty…What do you say about Drury now please?

    ……

    I ignored this last night as to avoid negativity after the big win and … but I suppose you’ll get your answer now since you want it so badly.

    If you want to talk about Drury having a big night, you picked the wrong night, as Gomez was simply out of control. *Remember, when were playing “pick the captain” this summer…This is the guy who almost didn’t play last night.*

    The two “big, primary assists” came directly off of Gomez’s stick…to Shanny, then to Backman. Drury made a good play on the Dawes “goal”. Truthfully, I do consider it Drury’s goal, but Drury really didn’t stand out to me at all, he played his game “as usual” I suppose, not bad at all. I do not understand for the *life* of me how one comes on here talking about Drury after Gomez had the game he did last night, with the whole bruised ribs thing. Also, Drury looked invisible while Dawes & Cally went on that hitting spree which IMO really charged the team back up … I haven’t seen Rangers putting solid hits out like they did last night in years and years and years.

    Totally wrong morning to come to me looking for Drury praise, IMO. He played his game, nothing outstanding, at ALL. This only helps my argument that some people are still “looking to make Drury seem like more than he is” Honestly, who counts up secondary assists and says “SEE? SEE?” last time I heard anyone do that it was the night Gretz broke the assist/points record and it came on a secondary. Drury got his 300th assist last night and I never even would have probably noticed if they didn’t make a fuss out of that. When they replay those goals, you see the brilliance of Gomez shine through…Drury may have technically assisted, ok great….. really the wrong time to ask me to stroke him though… sorry.

    If anything, last night was a great example of how a guy can be pretty invisible for the most part and still have a good scoresheet.

  26. Who Needs Lohan on

    I dont know bout you guys but I am kinda comfortable in the 6 hole in the playoffs. Id really rather play the Carolina/Washington spot and still have a possibility at an upset behind us giving us a crack at a series with home ice advantage. The reason why I say that is even in the 4 slot with home ice our opponent is arguably a better team than Car or Wash (likely Ott or NJD). And the 5 spot might be worse of all. You are the away team and you play either in Canada where everyone is agAInst us or in New Jersey where the law of averages might not be on our side. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

  27. Also, while I think we definitely need Avery…his value has been dropping with me lately… Anything over $3M/per is really going to just solidify Sather as the biggest meatslit in the hockey world at this point, if he gives him anything close to $4M I might stop breathing.

  28. Hey Lohan,
    you can’t seriously be worried about playing the Devils…I say bring em on!

  29. Hey Salty

    Did the boys show enough heart, guts, and emotion in last nights game you big whiner?

    Looked like a team determined to win to me?
    And the ugly horrible dawes goal is exactly how you win hockey games, driving the net, seeing what happens, and watching ugly ones slide in off your shoulder.

    Jagr is being coy at this point. I wouldnt put it by him to go out to dinner with the guy from omnsk to just get a really nice free meal and talk some czech wiht a new visitor. I still say it’s a 50/50 shot he stays on for a one year deal next season. Remember were opening up next year there, and I highly doubt Sather is going to let him walk or not try his hardest to have him be a part of it.

    As much as I love Jags if he doesnt reurn it wouldnt break my heart, I just dont see Sather letting him walk, with no return. I that was the plan he would have been traded before the deadline

  30. I will say that in 94 when we won the cup we beat the Devils in all regular season games and then they took us to the brink in the playoffs. I don’t think we would sweep them in the playoffs this year, but I think we would beat them.

  31. I swear i saw gomez driving in an suv this morning on my way to work. anyone know what kind of vehicle he has (could confirm if I was a look-alike and not the actual GOMER!)

  32. To keep a player simply because we are opening in Prague is seriously idiotic. If they are keeping him because he will sign for less and he steps up in the playoffs is a completely different matter. I guess we will have to wait and see.

  33. “I still say it’s a 50/50 shot he stays on for a one year deal next season. Remember were opening up next year there, and I highly doubt Sather is going to let him walk or not try his hardest to have him be a part of it.”

    Freaking wonderful…so Sather will also overpay Jagr just to watch him play in Prague…I hope not!

  34. Does anyone really want to play Washington right now? they’ve bene the hottest team in the league the last few weeks, coming out of nowhere to being 2pts out of the 8th slot.

    Watch Martha mouth of should the Debbies beat us 4/6- he’ll forget about losing (new NHL word is not winning) 7 in a row and make that one victory over us to be the biggest win ever.

  35. Lohan…I want NJ in the playoffs, real bad. Each game has been great this year… I want them, theres *nothing* like Rangers/Devils playoffs, especially when we can actually compete with them.

  36. Hey maybe the Rangers could sign Jagr to a 1 day deal to play in Prague similar to B. Crystal playing with the Yanks

  37. Salty your an idiot
    Drury invisible? Guess someone else made that homerun pass to Cally on the break away to Brodeur.

    I NEVER say he the next super star Ranger, but the guy works his ass off every game, and if he’s not on the point sheet, he’s breaking up plays, killing penalties or being Mr. Clutch.

    And you hate Avery, yet want Sather to resign him?
    And Gomez is the only ranger you wnat on our team, cause to you, the rest of the team is total crap?

    Why are you a ranger fan?

  38. Stall Wart:
    I agree
    I dont think his production will be much higher next season, and to sign him simply casue were opening in his home country is retarded. But then again we are talking about SAther, and god only knows what he will do

  39. BTW… Big Lou Lamoriello should be getting ready to fire Sutter…it is the end of the season you know…

  40. Beer Me,

    That is silly. You can’t say that NOW. Maybe we should have gotten something for him at the deadline.

    1) You don’t know who would trade for him.

    2) Without Jagr, this team would not be in a playoff position. Take away his production completely. He gets double teamed like mad and they focus on him and it leaves other guys open. NO ONE else on the team or in the system would fill that void. An outside player would have to.

  41. Salty – “I might stop breathing”. That’s funny. And I’m totally on-board with that thought process.

    PJ – agreed. IF they get into the playoffs, they’ll HAVE to be one of the hottest teams just to make it. Could spell trouble for their opponent(MTL/PITT?) Personally I see Pitt winning the conference(reg season). All gonna depend on goaltending how they do in the playoffs.

    MikeyNJ – salty doesn’t ‘hate’ avery. Neither do I. But if he makes anything around or over 3.5, we’re all going to be dissapointed.

  42. Chris – I said it months leading up to the deadline, and haven’t changed my position on it.

    “You don’t know who would trade for him.” No, of course I don’t. I don’t remember saying that I did.

    “Without Jagr, this team would not be in a playoff position.”

    Purely speculation. So if he doesn’t come back next season, we miss the playoffs??

  43. Salty….just like Fredo in Godfather….you’re dead to me now. Sorry pal. To have the balls to come out and say sh1t and defend your negative view of Drury after last night’s game means you are just an ass. Period. Plain and simple.

    Drury fed Callahan. Drury fell to his knees to block shots. Now you want to praise Cally and Dawes for being big hitters like Drury should do the same. Yeah right, that is really Drury’s game. To go out and nail people. You show major ignorance saying that kind of stuff. You don’t think for a second that Drury instills that kind of behavior in the guys around him when he makes critical plays all the time? By Drury being the posterboy for a role playing grinder, faceoff guy, 2-way player, leader, his actions on the ice cause everyone around him to be better. How you don’t see that is beyond me! Actually it isn’t, you are just a moron.

    Also, you are a jealous loser. You are envious that he makes a ton of dough. Is it his fault that the market pays what it pays and that Sather overpays? No. But you blame him and say his game sucks because of it. Pathetic.

    I have often wondered about your ability to judge hockey players and after ignorant comments like what you said above clearly prove to me that you don’t know crap.

    The main reason Renney called the timeout last night with 1 min to go was to get Drury some rest and allow him to be on the ice for the faceoff and the 6 on 5. Yeah, he sucks. What a waste.

    Salty, don’t even respond to this because whatever you say will just be ignored. In fact, I am mad at myself for even asking you what you thought. Instead of you saying, “Gee, he is starting to play well,” or, “He played a solid game and keeps playing tougher and grittier as the games get more critical,” you spin some stupid sh1t about all the other players who played so much better.

    You are dead to me.

  44. For the record, me saying that we ‘should have’ traded him; is just my opinion. It doesn’t make it true. But I would have made a move if I were in the position to.

  45. MikeyNJ, you should thank BeerMe… I almost shattered every condition in the blog agreement across your face just now.. “your” the idiot for just skimming over what people write and filling in the parts you don’t read with fabrications, f***ing bleach breathed invalid with an open mouth is what you are.

  46. “JJP – I’m not an arbitrator. If you’d like me to base my arbitration on 9 games. I’d say: “Slats shoulda left him in St Louis”. Again, only 9 games. In all honesty, and as polite as I can be on this. I’d like to move on from the Backman thing. My comments are being blown WAY WAY out of proportion. And to protect my opinion, I’m ending my part of the conversation for now. Saying someone is “average” is not making someone a ‘whipping boy’.”

    For some reason people just don’t understand what you say. I do, but I guess they don’t. haha.

    Salty,

    I agree that Gomez’s game was much more impressive than Drury. The Drury assists weren’t really that huge to me. The part of Drury’s game that was really impressive was when he was blocking shots in that last minute. He literally took one right off the hand or chest (I had a tough angle at it from my POV) but he just stood up and ate it and Shanny cleared it out. I think that goes a long ways when you have a guy getting paid that much putting his body on the line like that in the last minute of a game I hate to bring up the pay thing again because we both agree it was too much but in that case I had to use it.

  47. Jagr is a small part of why this team is making the playoffs… I don’t think that we’ll be in the playoffs because of Jagr…
    Think of it this way…if we got the Jagr we expected we’d be in first place.

    “Without Jagr, this team would not be in a playoff position.”

    Purely speculation. So if he doesn’t come back next season, we miss the playoffs??

    we wouldn’t miss the Playoffs next season…however we’d be in the playoffs with a younger lineup…continuing our comittment to youth…WOOO HOOOO!!

  48. Beerme Jagr is playing his heart out. If you can’t see it you are not watching objectively. He is not scoring but don’t mistake that with not playing hard. Last night if there was another goalie in net he would have had 2 or 3 assists. Don’t forget other teams still match their top dmen and forwards against him freeing up the Gomez and Drury lines to face the other teams 2nd and 3rd d pairings. Last night White was all over Jagr(who played very well) and the other lines were matched up against journeyman dman and no talent stiffs like Mike Rupp(that is taking nothing about from how those lines played)

  49. Gee Salty – who woulda thought I’d be the only one defending your point of view on anything. I wouldn’t have. But I completely disagree on your Drury assessment. Just to be clear ;)

  50. The best part of this winning streak is how much it gets under Brodeur’s skin. For years and years he crowed about how the Devs dominated the Rangers now that the shoe is on the other foot he claims with crenched teeth that it doesn’t matter.

  51. So, nobody responded to my invite to a party at the Red Robin. Hmmm, either you are all vegetarians or don’t think the Nasty 1 would be good company. Your loss people, your loss. Ha, I am just joking around. C’mon folks, let’s not fight today, let’s just enjoy that victory, and enjoy the fact that Gomez wasn’t hurt as bad as we all thought he was. And let’s all smile that all of the Nasty 1’s students are Devil fans and I have a giant Sh*t eating grin on my face all day :)

  52. Did anyone see how Chico was defending Brodeur on the pre game? Jesus, they really really don’t ever point the finger at ANY of their players for every being wrong.

  53. Doodie Machetto on

    A quote from Farty Broduer:

    ”The ones in the shootout are one thing. When you lose in regulation, on a lucky goal like that, it’s tough to digest.”

    I hope it gives him heartburn.

    As for playoff position, you can’t possibly want the 6 spot. Carolina is a team that is designed to perform in the playoffs, and they are 8-1-1 in their last ten. The Caps have given us trouble all season, and they are much better now than when we last played them. Either one of those spots is bad news.

    You must want the 4 or 5 spot. Ottawa is in shambles, and we just play better against NJ. I like us matched up against those two teams. Ottawa is still the most potentially dangerous team in the East, if they ever figure out how to play like they did at the start of the season again (especially in the net). But otherwise, they are the Rangers of two years ago, with the season falling apart before March and getting destroyed in the playoffs.

    1st through 3rd are probably impossibilities at this point (especially 3rd). 4-8 are the spots that this team could finish in, and personally, I don’t want a piece of Pittsburgh, Montreal, Washington, or Carolina. Therefore, it’s gotta be the 4 or 5 spot.

  54. “Beerme Jagr is playing his heart out. If you can’t see it you are not watching objectively.”

    Is he…?
    I disagree…playing you heart out is not just moving around the ice…drawing the “infamous” 2 players and then loosing it. He may be playing his heart out as you say but…there are no real results to prove it.

    Salty if you want to talk about a player who is not worth the money…pick on Jagr. Drury may make lots of dough but he brings so much to this team that for you not to see it…is just plain ignorance.

  55. I will say that Doc knows his stuff, but Chico is such a little annoying ass kisser of the Devils. Both of their voices irritate me like nails on a chalk board. Chico goes around and tries new things to eat at each game. I tell you what Chico, I have something for you to try right here. Douche!

  56. Doodie Machetto on

    Nasty 1, I wouldn’t want a Red Robin party with you for two reasons:

    1) New Jersey sucks, and I don’t want to go there.

    2) After hearing the countless tails about your “brown explosions” after eating Red Robin, the last thing I would ever want to do with you is go to Red Robin.

  57. New Newman

    1. You are reading this, I know it.

    2. Drury is great. However, you are trying to praise him for doing the things he’s supposed to do as if he’s gone above and beyond or something? That’s my point. He did his job very well, but he did not have an “outstanding” game in my opinion, which you asked for. He did his seven million dollar job.

    3. And yes, I am kinda jealous of that since I’m only getting $5M/per and I almost always score on my breakaways.

  58. Who Needs Lohan on

    graves9- did you get a new keyboard with the punctuation marks suddenly? Or did you buy Hooked on Phonics?

  59. You know even though the Rangers have won every game against the Devs alot of those games were so boring that it was hard to keep your eyes opened. Not last night. The game had a rock em sock em type flow and plenty of electricity. The Goaltending on both ends was sublime to say the least. Where has that pp been all year? I can’t say enough good things about Cally and Dawes. While I don’t think either will ever be the scorer he was I do think the both have alot of Pat Verbeek in them(undersized but gritty as hell and also finishing checks and driving to the net) Shanny looked really good last night for the first time in a long time. Gomez needs to bruise his ribs every other weeks if that’s how he gonna play. He was flying throughout. It is amazing how the first 35-40 games Drury had zero chemistry with anybody on the team now he has instant chemistry with whoever he plays with. It should be no surprise that Drury was front and Center when the Rangers made that stirring third period comeback.

  60. “For some reason people just don’t understand what you say. I do, but I guess they don’t. haha.” JohnnyD – the longer you hang around here, the more it happens. Hence the decision to back out of the debate while my opinion can still be protected.

    “Beerme Jagr is playing his heart out. If you can’t see it you are not watching objectively. He is not scoring but don’t mistake that with not playing hard.”

    Again. I didn’t say he wasn’t. Please don’t change the meaning of my statements. JohnnyD…wanna be my interpreter?? I’m just saying that along with the rest of the UFA’s that should’ve been dealt, he should’ve been near the top of the list. I didn’t say ANYTHING about his performance. And it’s not about that.

  61. No, the Red Robin doesn’t give me brown explosions, it is Baja Fresh that does that.

    And also, to go to a place in New Jersey as a group of Rangers fans to celebrate is priceless in itself.

  62. No offense to Sam, I’m sure he knows a lot he isn’t saying, but simply because the Omsk guy is in town to talk doesn’t mean Jagr is gone. I wouldn’t assume anything is a done deal vis a vis Jagr and the Rangers.

    Let’s not forget we’ve had a lot of “must win” games and “season changing” games that turned out to be nothing more than one more game. The “Jagr is gone” dinner may be nothing more than a dinner.

  63. “Remember were opening up next year there, and I highly doubt Sather is going to let him walk or not try his hardest to have him be a part of it.”

    Thats the NHL’s fault for not looking at our contract situation. They did it thinking “oh yeah the Rangers have a bunch of Czechs” when most of them probably, or hopefully won’t be here next year. Not that I have anything against the guys as I support all the players on the team, but Straka is probably retiring, who knows with Jagr, Malik is clearly anything but a fan favorite and although I think he gets a raw deal, moving to a new team would be best for both parties, Rozy will probably be overpaid and I hope its not with the Rangers. So that leaves just Prucha as the only Czech player left from this years team, correct?

    “Purely speculation. So if he doesn’t come back next season, we miss the playoffs??”

    This years team was based around Jagr though. Trading him, while I agree we should’ve, would’ve forced the coaches and players to come up with a system without Jagr in it right in the middle of the season. Next year they will have awhile to plan that out if hes gone so they’ll have time to work on things before the season starts. I know it probably sounds dumb, but I think we all know that this team is based around Jagr still.

  64. That Mara-Rozsival pairing sure was scary in it’s own end. I was surprised that Renney didn’t use Staal with Rozsival. Staal doesn’t get all that mention for his play because his game is so subtle but he played another terrific game making half a dozen good little plays in his own end.

  65. Salty if you want to talk about a player who is not worth the money…pick on Jagr. Drury may make lots of dough but he brings so much to this team that for you not to see it…is just plain ignorance.

    ……

    Pick on Jagr? Are you new here? Honestly, this is unbelievable today…

  66. Hooked on Phonics? Oh hahaha congrats Lohan on getting your 1980’s joke book. You must have produced that moronic Ryan Miller yo momma commercial.

  67. Salty March 28th, 2008 at 10:18 am

    2. Drury is great. However, you are trying to praise him for doing the things he’s supposed to do as if he’s gone above and beyond or something? That’s my point. He did his job very well, but he did not have an “outstanding” game in my opinion, which you asked for. He did his seven million dollar job.

    Salty using that logic…Jagr is not doing the things he’s supposed to do…namely score goals and rack up points.

  68. Who Needs Lohan on

    I still think we will have a MON/NYR Eastern Conference Final so I dont really care what spot we have. Let’s just hope that we dont have McQueery and Fraser reffing those games.

  69. You know we always riop the refs when they’re awful so it’s only fair to praise last night’s refs. There were 104 hit plentry of scrums and the refs let em play. No invented penalties no phantom ones either. They did miss a couple of too many men calls on the Devs.

  70. staal wart – Seriously? Think they’d come out of the wood work today? haha a-holes.

    Speaking of the coach….

    NHL Netork had a “taped/live edition” of NHL LIVE (the radio show) on yesterday around 5ish. I heard a GREAT comparison for Renney. JOE TORRE. Here’s why I think it’s accurate. As E.J. Hradek pointed out(who I’m generally not fond of), they’re players coaches. Their in-game decisions are questioned almost every single game. But they both have/had the task of trying to manage big-time players with their big-time salaries in their pockets, with their big-time egos(some), and all the ‘baggage’ that comes along with them. Not an easy thing to do, and you’re setting youself up by saying “yes, I’ll take the job”. While I think that the yankees HAD unbelievable talent back in the mid-90’s, Jeter, bernie, posada, etc were young(er) guys without the experience it usually takes to win. So, then you have Renney that’s trying to integrate the youth into a team, and trying to produce a winner on the ice. I’m sure the comparison can go on and on, but I’m not. Just thought it was interesting, and something NY fans should be able to see. Even if just the littlest bit.

  71. graves9 – on the staal/rozy thing…

    Agravaine mentioned it on the last thead I think(maybe this one, I don’t rememeber), that Renney is leaning to keep Staal/Backman together to try to find some consistency, familiarity, chemistry by keeping them together. With Rozy, Malik, Mara all being UFA’s at seasons end, keeping toots/girardi, staal/bakcman together seems like a decent approach. To me anyway.

  72. You are right. I did read it. And you did nothing to change my view.

    3 assists. 3 Ranger goals. 3 assists. WTF are you talking about? Are you expecting him to stop bullets with his body? Oh wait, he kind of did when he stopped rubber projectiles with his body last night. So he did stop “bullets.” What more could he have done to be “outstanding??”

  73. Jagr will play in the NHL only for the Rangers or the Penguins… if Hossa quickly signs somewhere other than Pittsburgh in the summer look for the Penguins to make a push for Jagr …
    I am sure Jagr is getting frustrated at all the setups he is giving his teammates who are not converting – last night for instance the only real scoring chances 5-5 was when Jagr was on the ice, Straka could not convert at least 3 chances, Dubinsky and Backman were also setup …

    Rangers would miss Jagr UNLESS they sign a Hossa … teams still put their best D and forwards vs. the Jagr line …

  74. Koffy,
    Thats true that other teams counter JJ with there best D and forwards. The difference is that other teams #1 lines are producing and that is what JJ is paid to do. I don’t care who he draws…his job is to score goals…and if he can’t do that on the top line…

  75. Doodie
    thanks for responding…I was thinking about it this morning on my ride to work and it just made me laugh. Lou has to be questioning his firing of Julien last season because while the Devils are loosing…the Bruins are showing lots of fight and are in the playoffs now if the season ended today…and Julien is doing it with a rag tag team riddled with injuries HA HA…I hate the Devils HA hA

  76. I want NJ or OTT in the 1st round.

    I think Pitt can make a serious run if their goaltending can support them.

    And as dominant as DET has been in the regular season. I see their post-season shaping up the same as it has for a while…dissapointing. SJ just seems to keep winning, and Nabokov is sick. (sick=good) But you can’t count out CGY out there either.

  77. BTW NHL.com has a pretty cool Frozen moment today…
    its my new wallpaper… so all my Devil clients can see it

  78. Who Needs Lohan on

    Devils play the FLyers tonight. Do we root for the Devs with the idea that the Phylthadelphia Phuckers wind up on the outside looking in, or do we hope for the Devils to lose helping our chances of beating them out in the standings?

  79. Salty using that logic…Jagr is not doing the things he’s supposed to do…namely score goals and rack up points.

    ………

    Dude… “Staal Wart” please DIAF in the near future. *You’re exposing yourself as someone who just posts and doesn’t read what others have to say.* I have been been ripping Jagr *hard* all year, I wanted/want NOTHING more than for him to be gone, gone, gone so the team can seriously move in a new direction.

    You’ve exposed yourself as quite the dipshit today though, as I’ve “ripped Jagr” several times already on *this thread alone*.

    Learn to read, you puddle of greenish milky discharge.

  80. Doodie Machetto on

    Beer, the West is going to come down to the Pacific Division. SJ and ANA have to be the favorites. And if Dallas can get their act together, they are also incredibly dangerous.

    I’m also glad you appreciated the “Farty” Broduer thing. I wonder why no one else has thought of it before?

  81. I’m rooting for the flyers. 2 reasons…

    1) I think we can pass the devils, and I’m not AS worried about being passed by philthy.

    2) I have Jeff Carter & Mike Richards on my fantasy team, and I’m playing in the finals right now for $200.

  82. doodie – my mistake…and a big one. I like Anaheim too, but without a 100% Getzlaf or Giggy, and Pronger having such a long layoff, I’d be worried if I were a fan.

  83. Doodie Machetto on

    WNL, you’ve gotta go with Philly. Home ice is too important, and Flyers are still in really good position to make the playoffs even if they lose.

    Just hope that it ends in regulation.

  84. Salty,
    First of all I love that fact that I can so easily push your buttons
    Second I was merely pointing out that your Ragging (of Drury) should be directed at a player who is not doing what they are supposed to…
    oh and BTW I did read… I saw you rag on JJ and then I read your posts ripping a player for doing what he’s supposed to be doing…!
    Maybe you should eat my “puddle of greenish milky discharge”

  85. graves9 – at the end of the 1st, they missed a VERY blatant pick of Gomez off of the faceoff to get the shot off…similar to the one that ended an OT game against Buffalo last year

  86. And nobody mentioned the play where the puck fell and Elias could have scored and Dawes got his stick. And avoided us being down 3-2. He had a solid game last night.

  87. Doodie Machetto on

    There’s a difference to Drury and Jagr. Drury is overpaid, while Jagr is underperforming. What I mean is that there was no way that Drury deserved 7 million. He has never had the kind of production that would warrant 7 million, nor was there any reason to believe that he would. But the question is a matter of expectations. He has done everything we have expected of him, which if you add in intagibles and the open market, is worth 5.5 million in my book. In other words, no one expected him to produce like a 7 million player, but rather just like he always has. And he has lived up to those expectations. However, the fact remains that his level of play is not worth 7 million.

    Jagr, on the otherhand, is paid more, and the offense is built around him. But, if he played up to his expectations, both of those things would be fine. And going into the season, we had no reason not to think he wouldn’t. But call it age or whatever it may be, he lost it very quickly. He is underperfoming. We expected more of him and he is not producing what we expected.

    It’s a subtle distinction, but an important one.

  88. Tough call on who I would want to face in the 1st round. One thing about the playoffs, you have to have solid goaltending to advance. Brodeur, Emery, Gerber, Ward have all been there, turned in solid performances and have the potential to be shutdown.

    Almost makes me want to face Pittsburgh with Conklin/Fleury (who I dont think are good) or Montreal (Price is unproven).

  89. The “What can you say” counter ended at just 3 in the post game interview. That was awesome that he called out Giannone’s herpe.

  90. “Thats true that other teams counter JJ with there best D and forwards. The difference is that other teams #1 lines are producing and that is what JJ is paid to do. I don’t care who he draws…his job is to score goals…and if he can’t do that on the top line…”

    Actually the game last week in NJ the Debbies matched their checking line against Gomez’ line and NOT Jagr. Most teams are becoming more concerned with Gomer than they are Jagr- yes he draws the Hal Gills of the NHL, but Def forwards are on Gomez.

  91. Brodeur and Ward have been there. Ottawa went to the Finals last year not at all because of Emery and he’s part of why they ultimately lost, and Gerber lost his spot during the first round of Carolina’s run to Ward.

    Ottawa doesn’t have the goaltending, Jersey doesn’t have the offense and frankly, I think Brodeur’s tank is running on fumes from once again being overplayed. NJ thought Weekes was better than he is – we knew better. Carolina’s speed will give the Ranger defensemen fits. The Caps just have guys that I want no part of at all.

  92. NJ thought Weekes was better than he is – we knew better.

    To be fair to Kevin, he hasn’t gotten a chance to play. Hes a decent goalie, definately should be in the NHL, just not your #1. But the guy had some good games as a rangers, especially 2 years ago when Henke was out down the stretch. Personally the Devils are stupid for not playing him more to rest Marty.

    Also I was looking something up for a friend and stumbled upon something interesting. First I ask, why did the fans boo Tom Poti? I mean I know why, but looking back I just think it was even more stupid now than I thought it was then. Him and Rozsival were drafted in the same year and in that time Poti has 278 points in 661 and Rozy has 171 points in 474 games. Also Poti had 48 points pre-lockout with the Rangers and 44 last year with the Isles, both of which eclipse the season totals of anyone we have now. Plus despite what people thought, he did take people out in front of the net and hit when necessary. Sure he coulda been more physical, but for an offensive guy, I thought he did pretty well in that aspect.

    Now I’m not saying lets bring the guy back, but looking back it just kinda shows how stupid it was that he got so much shit from people.

  93. StaalWart, I’ve read enough of your posts to know for a fact that you’ve not “intentionally” pushed my buttons, as other may be quite able to and very good at. Rather, that you really are just one of those “natural idiots” that lacks reading comprehension and reasoning skills, among other things…which actually does burn my fire for some reason… I cannot stand “actually stupid” people, drives me crazy to be reminded there are people like you infesting this country and being allowed an opinion. *Anyone who has read this whole thread,* regardless of my opinion of Chris Drury (good player, btw) or anyone else on the team, *knows* that you have eaten a mouthful of sh1t by trying to suggest I “rag Jagr instead”… absolute retard you are, I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. After you DIA Blazing F.

  94. The Heterodox Economist on

    Sam,

    My first time posting and your blog has quickly grown to my premier source of Rangers notes. Cheers to your humble, yet quirky sense of writing. I always appreciate humility.

    As for the Rangers and specifically of Jagr, I think the criticism that he doesn’t work hard enough is unwarranted. I’ve been meaning to make a comment about this for a while but I just keeping referring back to the tape-to-tape pass days with Jagr, Nylander, and Straka in the two post-lock out seasons for reference. What do we know about that line beyond its continual success? They were excruciatingly patient, playing a slow, snail game of fakes and dekes.

    Now, that was then and now is now. With the youth energy and vets who thrive in the quick up-and-down game, this is the new style of play in the NHL (and why suddenly we all work out like track stars!) and it will stay this way. But, the main point here is that Jagr, with or without Nylander, is a thinker first rather than doer first, and this is understandbly why he may lose the puck in the new agile, aggressive forecheck NHL. I don’t think this translates to lazy, as this is his chracter and he thrives on patience, and which may also explain why the agile Gomez and he never clicked.

    But as a guy who can only play roller hockey once a week on a good day, I suppose asking for any credibility on my part is a stretch, so I’ll stop tying for now.

    Lastly, to my fellow Aquarius Rangers: Jagr, Shanny, Bettsy & “Black Magic”: Keep it up boys, it’s working, and take the puck deep into their endzone(s).

  95. What a huge win last night. It was scary how awesome that game was. I love and hate Backman/Backstrom/Backes/what ever other swede you all confuse him with. I love him guess when ever he screws up he owns up shortly after. I hate him cause when you start to say how he sucks and he was a waste, he totally throws it in your face and makes everyone that doubts him look like a fool.

    That was a wicked shot by him though. The sad part is, he was playing really good for the last 3 games, and that one mistake nearly turned him in to Harry. Hopefully he turns it around and doesn’t make mistakes like that again. I think after that give away, Malik told Prucha, Strudwick, and Betts “Renney is stupid, he shoulda put me in”, then when he scored i bet he was quiet all night. I have a feeling thats the kinda guy he is.

    Anyway Dawes and Cally are awesome and they threw huge hits. Thank god those two are finally in the NHL.

    As for Jags. I really dont care. If he leaves then Pruchs takes his spot. If Straka and Shanny retire, then i say try to sign Marian Hossa, if possible, or just get Rolston, and bring up Moore, or someone else. But thats my opinion.

  96. Adam and his Apple on

    instead of worrying about who were going to play in the playoffs lets switch our perspectives for a minute

    lets take the POV of the other teams in the eastern conference

    do you guys really think that they want to play us right now?

    we have a world class goalie, a tight defensive system, 3 scoring lines (it would be 4 if renney played betts with shooey and pruchs), an amazing PK, and 2 600 goal scorers who have been there before

    after coming so close last year with the whole league watching you can bet your asses that teams are dreading matching up with us in the first round

  97. But, the main point here is that Jagr, with or without Nylander, is a thinker first rather than doer first, and this is understandbly why he may lose the puck in the new agile, aggressive forecheck NHL.

    Very well said… I don’t think a lot of people are able to see it like that and just blanket Jagr as being/having been “nasty” and not really grasping what has made him successsful and why it’s not working, and more importantly, why it *won’t* work going forward, and even *more* importantly, that Jagr, although very talented, has been holding this team back since the first drop of the puck in October.

    A lot of this is evidenced when people get upset that Jagr was not participating in the shootouts…and then we got into the “moves” discussion, where people pulled up youtubes of Jagr in 1991-1996 where maybe he did put a few moves on…, that was never “his game”… he’s a “chess player”.. and unless you have the speed to “play that chess game” at the pace required today… you’re going extinct pretty quickly. Welcome Hetero… only a few of “our kind” here ;)

  98. Salty, that’s a good one! I kid.

    You’d rather our youth not learn the ideologies of hockey from Jaromir, one of the greatest players to play the game. He has been unable to adapt because in today’s NHL, the refs are supposed to call penalties on the most minor of things, while Jaro gets hooked and slashed and punched and strangled without any penalties ever being called. Watch the game Salty from an unbiased perspective.

  99. Why he hasn’t been successful is plain and simply, other teams dont fear committing penalties against Jaro because they know they wont get called.

  100. WOW. Jagr to Russia. Can he leave now??? Just so tired of watching him turn the puck over more times then not. Granted he makes the ocassional flashy great looking offensive play but most times he just turns the puck over. How many times has it turned it over at the offensive blue line this year leading to odd man rushes against. Typical Jagr play from the other evening against the Flyers. Dubinsky has the puck on the left side boards waitng for Jagr to continue down the slot towards the goal crease. What does Jagr do? Bails out of the slot at the hash marks. The guy refuses to get his hands dirty in anything physical. Could you imagine him teaching work ethics to Cherepanov?? I don’t think so….

  101. Why he hasn’t been successful is plain and simply, other teams dont fear committing penalties against Jaro because they know they wont get called.

    ….

    Hi Sam, welcome to the blog. We can get you tapes from ’05-’06 to shoot your “penalty theory” right out of the sky.

    Pay attention. I’m giving Jagr the benefit of the doubt, saying the game has evolved around him rather than he has digressed. I rip Jagr because he’s not good for the team, period. Be it guys not getting called for riding him, or if he just “doesn’t have it” anymore… he is nothing more than a decoy for us at this point…and even THAT role is running out of time.

    Just curious, is your Jagr jersey home/away/alternate? Authentic or Replica? Very Nice.

  102. Jersey is Czech Republic Authentic. You remember 05-06?? Hmm, didnt Jaro score 50+ that year. I have most every game of NYR from 05-06 on DVD, like I have the first two rounds of the 94 playoffs on my site if you click my name.

    And these last two years. Unsuccessful. You supplied further evidence to my claim Salty. He got the calls in 05-06 and that’s why he was successful. Again, these last two seasons, pertaining to getting calls and being successful, both not so much.

  103. Can anyone imagine if Gordie Howe took Sid Crosby under his wing and showed him “how it was done, how to play in the NHL”…

  104. Crosby would get the piss beat out of him the first time he threw a “Gordie Howe elbow”. THAT I can imagine!!

  105. “we have a world class goalie, a tight defensive system, 3 scoring lines (it would be 4 if renney played betts with shooey and pruchs)”

    I know you aren’t suggesting we have 4 scoring lines, but that idea would be stupid IMO. I’m not starting with that whole discussion, but I’ll just say this, if you don’t dress at least one physical guy/fighter (I’ll have to include Hollweg with this), then your stars will get mauled, especially in the playoffs. We need that 4th line just for the sake of protecting guys or scaring the other team so they dont go after people. Without that 4th line, this team is even more soft than they already are and that won’t do anything for them in the playoffs.

  106. Jersey is Czech Republic Authentic.

    ……..

    All I needed to know. Good luck with your argument and your crush. Jagr has NEVER gotten the calls he should have, because he made it clear to everyone (see: Canada) he was the European Princess on the NHL very early on in his career. That fact that he still had success is only a testament to his skill… but you are not going to tell me that Jagr didn’t get rode/uncalled in 05-06, or many other seasons for that matter.

  107. Plus in 05-06, he was way out of shape and relied strictly on that shot. I said it looked like he was playing basketball because he would just back in like he was posting up then would turn and shoot. When his shoulder got hurt in the Olympics then the playoffs, he had to force himself to get in better shape so he could skate at the NHL level again. I know he had 54 goals, but like Salty said it was strictly his skill that got him that. When his great wrister was taken away from him, he had to find other ways to get goals.

  108. Just to chime in, then butt out of that Jagr conversation. There’s absolutely no point in looking back in this case. We’re talking about what Jagr CAN do MOVING FOWARD. Not what he’s done in his career. The sooner NYR move on from Jags, the better. While we can’t discredit what he’s done for us, we can avoid what he can no longer bring.

  109. If you watched every game Salty, I woulnd’t have to tell you that he got treated fairly for the most part in 05-06 and not the past two years. If you ever want any games from 05-06, I’d be willing to send them to you for nothing. I am a veteran in the Sports DVD trading community.

    As you get older, your skill, speed, etc decline. And yet, if teams didnt strangle him on a nightly basis, he’d still probably be the best player in the league.

  110. Pretty ironic though, that I sarcastically offer to pull tapes for this Sam guy, and his specialty happens to be selling complete seasons of sporting events on DVD…lol. Is that legal?

  111. REPOST:
    Richter35
    March 27th, 2008 at 9:39 am
    Now, I have another reason to hate Brodeur. That jerk could
    break all the records he wants, but there is something we still have and will haunt him for the rest of his life “Matteau swoops to intercept, swings it in front, HE SCORES, MATTEAU, MATTEAU, MATTEAU,
    STEPHANIE MATTEAU!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Well, after the second period I was amazaed to see MATTEAU, MATTEAU, MATTEAU , STEPHANIE MATTEAU at the game and how ironic that the final score of the game was Matteau’s old number 3-2.

  112. Adam and his Apple on

    Jonny D- It really depends on the opposition, i dont think having 2 stone hands on the 4th line is conducive to winning a championship, the chance to chip in a goal on any given shift is more effective in winning games in the playoffs in my opinion

    and we wouldnt even be having this discussion if we had some big hulking d-men

  113. Gomez is the next Rangers’ captain.

    As for picking opponents in play-offs, the situation this year is much different from the last year when Allanta was clearly the weekest team and we were kind of lucky to get it.
    This time the teams are of very close levels; probably, I’d prefer to play Ottawa. In any case it’s much more important to just stay healthy and fresh by the first round.

    p.s. btw, Rangers are not in p/o yet.

  114. SAm, I respect what you’re saying, but I’m simply not going to agree with that by any stretch of the imagination… consipracy against Jagr holding him back from being the #1 in the NHL still? You’d think he’d be a little better on the PP then, no? Sorry man, total shenannigans.

  115. Jagr sucks bigtime on

    yeah, some captain, some leader, eh. talking to other teams for next year while the Rangers try to make a playoff run.

    this guy is just what I said all along. a piece of selfish garbage who pouts rather than leads, who is more interested in getting phony stats than winning games(as he demands that rosival and straka pass to him even when they have an open shot) and a guy who demands undue influence on the mgmt decisions as to who is on the team ,and who is on what line and PP unit.

    this piece of trash can get the eff out of NyR right now as far as I’m concerned. the team would be better without him and his selfish crap. the PP certainly is

    good riddance pussy-chin

  116. I didnt say conspiracy against Jagr. Also, doesnt conspiracy require it to be hidden. It’s an apparent agreement by NHL and their referees to screw the Rangers, and the player on our team that affects our offense, power play the most is Jaromir.

    Why isnt Jaro successful on the power play?? Because even then, he’s still getting hooked, slashed, whatever else you can think of…and when he’s not, he’s so browbeaten and tired of the shit that gets done to him throughout the course of the season, that he doesnt even bother to try…Dont alot of people on here complain about his work ethic. Maybe that’s why, he’s just tired. BTW, I didnt hear anyone complain of his work ethic in 05-06, why could that be? Being treated fairly, perhaps.

  117. Why do you think he doesn’t want to play for us anymore. He is tired of getting treated like a piece of garbage.

  118. Tony from AZ on

    Gomez the next Ranger Captain – Oh yea – I like that.
    The guy leads by example & has the best sense of humor.
    Great choice !
    God, can he skate !

  119. Doodie Machetto on

    “p.s. btw, Rangers are not in p/o yet.”

    4 pts in the last 5 games. I think they can do that, especially with all of the OT games they have.

    It would be 3 pts, but if Washingotn wins all of their games to tie us at 94 pts, they would win the tiebreaker (most wins, 43 to 40, worst case scenario).

  120. This, could be, the single most unbelievable thread I’ve ever read on this blog.

    Why would Jagr be randomly “treated fairly” in ’05-’06?

    *EITHER way*, you agree Jagr is costing us…so I guess we agree… GTFOONY Jagr….

  121. “Jonny D- It really depends on the opposition, i dont think having 2 stone hands on the 4th line is conducive to winning a championship, the chance to chip in a goal on any given shift is more effective in winning games in the playoffs in my opinion”

    Well thats what Sjo is supposed to add on that line. We need a line to beat up the opposition as well as protect our players. Buffalo tried to go with 4 scoring lines last year and it was great in the regular season but didn’t equate to anything in the playoffs (they only got to the ECF because they played us).

    “this guy is just what I said all along. a piece of selfish garbage who pouts rather than leads, who is more interested in getting phony stats than winning games(as he demands that rosival and straka pass to him even when they have an open shot) and a guy who demands undue influence on the mgmt decisions as to who is on the team ,and who is on what line and PP unit.”

    Haha sure he demands all that. He scares the living daylights out of rozy and straka so they get him the puck. plus he only cares about his stats, thats why he said he doesn’t care about getting those 84 points this year because he wants to see the team win. Funniest post of the day so far. We can clearly see you hate jJgr, you don’t have to make all these whacked assumptions. Just say you dont like him and end it. haha.

    I’m done with this convo because its really not going anywhere. I’m taking the same route you are beer me since its really the best way to go.

  122. # Salty March 28th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    StaalWart, I’ve read enough of your posts to know for a fact that you’ve not “intentionally” pushed my buttons, as other may be quite able to and very good at. Rather, that you really are just one of those “natural idiots” that lacks reading comprehension and reasoning skills, among other things…which actually does burn my fire for some reason… I cannot stand “actually stupid” people, drives me crazy to be reminded there are people like you infesting this country and being allowed an opinion. Anyone who has read this whole thread, regardless of my opinion of Chris Drury (good player, btw) or anyone else on the team, knows that you have eaten a mouthful of sh1t by trying to suggest I “rag Jagr instead”… absolute retard you are, I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. After you DIA Blazing F.

    Salty if you are so “advanced” and “progressive” in your thinking, why bother to comment on my supposedly uniformed, “unread” thoughts on the team. Since I am a “natural idiot” (btw does that mean “organic”) why respond to me…
    The fact that I am “actually stupid” and cause your fire to burn tells me if I “comprehend and reason” correctly that my posts actually to “get your goat”.
    Oh and I don’t need points from you
    I may have eaten a mouthful of your sh1t but at least I didn’t eat a “puddle of greenish milky discharge”
    Oh and BTW since you are questioning my intellegence…
    I have a B.S. and a Doctorate…thanks for coming…

  123. Jagr sucks bigtime on

    you brown nosing clueless clown. if any other player on the team was talking to other teams right now for next season, they would be bashed bigtime on this board.

    and jagr is a big pussy. he is getting kid glove treatment. conspiracy my arse. what a laughable joke. you are a paranoid nutcase.

    look at the big name players who are out injured over the past 3 seasons from nasty hits from opponents. this soft piece of garbage has only been injured once, and that was his own doing, sticking his arm out into Gomez for no good reason and hurting his own shoulder.

    if he was getting such supposed tough treatment, then why is he never injured? because he is a pussy perimeter player, that’s why.

    eff anyone who defends this selfish jerk

  124. Why would he randomly be treated fairly in 05-06. Hmm. Because the Rangers hadn’t made the playoffs in forever and the NHL figured, what are the Rangers going to do without all their highpriced free agent signings (which they couldnt make the playoffs anyway). NOTHING! And when Jagr, yes Jagr, turned us into at the very least a perennial contender to make the playoffs unlike years’ past, the NHL had to put a stop to it. And we’re still not that bad a team, but if Jags was treated fairly on a nightly basis, you better believe GTFOONY Jagr and the NYR would be serious Stanley Cup contenders, not that we aren’t now.

  125. “if he was getting such supposed tough treatment, then why is he never injured? because he is a pussy perimeter player, that’s why.”

    um, because the other players are stupid?(i.e. Bergeron) are you really saying you are only a great player if you get injured? must be a lindros fan. haha.

  126. “And when Jagr, yes Jagr, turned us into at the very least a perennial contender to make the playoffs unlike years’ past, the NHL had to put a stop to it.”

    CONSPIRACY. Bettman’s behind the bush.

  127. Beer,
    I had lots of things that had to be brought into my post and I didn’t want to have Salty blame me for “plagarism” LOL

  128. Jagr sucks bigtime on

    cry me a f’n river. poor widdle yogger will take his toys and go home if he does not get his way.

    GTFOONY pussy-chin

  129. “if he was getting such supposed tough treatment, then why is he never injured? because he is a pussy perimeter player, that’s why.”

    Maybe because he’s not a pussy perimeter player, just a beaten-down perimiter player thats got very little left in the tank from all the abuse…and maybe because he’s not as selfish as all you know-it-alls think he is, or from listening to Sam Weinman. I like Sams posts, but he’s a reporter just like any other reporter, out for himself and his story. Do you think you can get an accurate representation of Jagr and what he’s like w/ his teammates or in the locker room from Sam. Dream on!!

  130. Thank you Beer Me
    But SALTY your still an IDIOT!!

    You can’t even defend your comments because there too IDIOTIC. all you can do is call me and “Invalid”? Nice justification. Your words are so meaningless.

    IT’s true you are a fairweather fan. You want them playing with girt and heart, they do that, then you cry about it?
    Complain about Avery, then want him resigned? Say Drury is invisble on a night when he gets 3 assists, wins how many faceoffs, and kills how many scoring opps?

    Again, go buy an ISles JErsey with “I WILL BLOW DP” on the back. And then maybe, if your lucky, he can release all his built up tension being hurt and not playing and load that bucket of yogurt right onto your Idiotic face.

    See you can say things without breaking the bloggers code IDIOT

  131. Jagr sucks bigtime on

    that is not what I said moron. I said he is not getting hit hard at all like Sham is contending. many other big name players are getting much rougher treatment from opponents and refs than this selfish baby is.

  132. Did anyone in here see the Giants win the Super Bowl when in their four playoff games, they got treated fairly penalties wise and specifically in the Super Bowl, when the pats O-line couldnt just rape defenders and get away with holdings like they did in their previous 18 games. Maybe you gibepps dont get it, but referees have plenty to do with the outcome of games, the mental state of players, etc.

  133. Staal Wart:

    Salty is 35 but mentally measured with the intelligence of an 11 year old.
    I don’t think he’ll know what B.S. means either without juxtaposing a curse word.
    And you can definitely forget about him understanding DOCTORATE.

    HAHAHA

  134. Jagr sucks bigtime on

    this Sham is a total fool. he blames Sam Weinman, the refs, the alignment of the planets, and you name it, but do you notice, he NEVER puts any responsibility on the crapweasel himself. Jagr is a victim, according to Sham.

    no, the only real victims here are the NYR fans who are forced to watch a selfish traitor go thru the motions for the rest of this season.

  135. BeerMe,

    “Purely speculation. So if he doesn’t come back next season, we miss the playoffs??”

    No because I am assuming they make the necessary adjustments. Like I said, you don’t have Jagr, you need another winger whose presence makes a difference OR they have to completely change the system. But it’s always a possibility. He makes Dubi better. He made Avery better on that line. You can’t discount that.

  136. The Heterodox Economist on

    Phew, people are out for heads here, I think I’m done posting. Either way, a real nice blog Sam.

    PS Anyone in favor of calling up Moore/Byers or playing Prucha over Jags?

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