Gomez to be a game-time decision; Jagr to wait until end of the season

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So Scott Gomez took part in the morning skate and left the ice with most of the regulars — all indications that the team’s leading scorer will be back in the lineup tonight against the Devils.

But according to Gomez and Tom Renney, that decision hasn’t been made — or at least it’s not ready for public consumption.

“It’ll be a game-time decision. I’ll take warm-ups and go from there,” Gomez said. “Like I said, it’s up to the coaches. But if I can go, I can go. You don’t want to sit out at this time of the year.”

The question isn’t whether Gomez can risk further damage to his ribs, because the feeling is he can’t, but rather how much pain he can tolerate. If he’s at all compromised, Renney will likely hold him back one more game. But either way, the fact that this is even being discussed shows Gomez has made significant progress in even the last 24 hours. Because yesterday at this point, there was virtually no chance Gomez was going to play.

As for what this does to the lineup, Renney said he’ll have two lineups made up — one with Gomez in it, one with him out. No word on who would be scratched, but you’d like to think Petr Prucha’s return lasts more than one game. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Colton Orr who is given a breather, but we’ll have to see.

Regardless of what happens up front, Marek Malik and Jason Strudwick will be the scratches at defense.

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And then there’s Jaromir Jagr, who responded to questions about a pending meeting with Omsk general manager Anatoly Bardin with usual comic flair.

“I said a long time ago I have to finish the season. Whatever happens after that, I don’t know,” Jagr said. “We’ve got a long ways to go. I’m here. I know you don’t see me in some games, but I’m still here.”

I asked Jagr if he has any meetings set up with Bardin.

“We’re going to go to dinner and all that stuff….I’m just kidding,” Jagr said. “I don’t have any plans.”

Jagr then pointed out that maybe Bardin was coming to New York only to talk about Alexei Cherepanov. Maybe, it was noted, the two European wings have been traded straight up from one another.

“Good trade,” he said. “It would be good for the Rangers.”

Jokes aside, I wouldn’t doubt the fact that Jagr would listen if his old team wanted to talk. He originally said that it was the first he had heard about Bardin coming, then corrected himself later and said he had heard “something” about it.

But I don’t think he would have any sort of conversation about next year while the Rangers are still playing.

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  1. I just like that Jagr has a sense of humour about all this stuff. Maybe it doesn’t make him as intense as some would like, but it’s human.

    Sit Hollweg. In Omsk.

  2. Anything at practice make you think it would be Orr, Sam??

    I’d rather see Gomer in tonight and sit on Sunday if he had to. As long as there’s no risk of further injury.

  3. Why would you sit Orr in a rough and tumble divisional game against a rival who has monster sized players in the line-up like Rupp, Clarkson, Asham, Brookbank, Zubrus etc??

    Typical “new NHL” reporter running this site it seems.

  4. Oh, and it’s Bryce Salvador that’s not healthy on the NJ blueline. Will not play, did not practice, again.

  5. I started growing my playoff beard early this year. I am not going to shave until the Rangers lose in regulation. It’s been a while and I am looking pretty grizzly.

  6. Just caught up… lots of “news”?

    BPark2
    March 27th, 2008 at 11:24 am

    “Typical “new NHL” reporter running this site it seems.”
    can you explain?…

    Isn’t this whole Jagr thing distracting?

    I’m not sure I would want Gomez in the lineup…These end of the season division games can be pretty hard-hitting.
    Playing with thru pain will still mean Gomez is playing under 100% and it might not get injured more but it will certainly keep him in pain for longer and slow the healing…

  7. Hey Bpark2,
    Get a clue………jump off a ship or something….seems the only person “new” to this site is you……

    If gomer can go then he shoudl go, no questions asked…. I wouldnt mind seeing Prucha in for Orr to add a bit of a scoring touch…..they can hit us all they want so long as the final score is something like 5-2 Rangers!!

  8. My source close to the team says that Gomer cannot do any further damage to his injury by playing. That is not to say that if he slams into the boards again like he did, he won’t do more damage. His injury causes pain and limits his mobility, but it cannot get worse by him going out there and skating and shooting. Again, if he got popped or someone slashed his ribs, punched his ribs, etc, it could get aggravated further. It’s wait and see depending on how Gomer feels. I say, take 4 Advil and suit up Scotty…we need you. And Gomer at 50% is better than Hollywood at 100%.

  9. Thats true Newman, but last time out didn’t the Devils actually focus there shadows on Gomez not Jagr? that being the case I don’t put it past them to hook him or slash him (not out of malice, becuase I don’t think the Decils are dirty, just out of doing there jobs) Pandolfo plays his defense very well and cleanly but agressively and I don’t think they be trying to hurt Gomez, but I could see it happening….

  10. “Why would you sit Orr in a rough and tumble divisional game against a rival who has monster sized players in the line-up like Rupp, Clarkson, Asham, Brookbank, Zubrus etc??

    Typical “new NHL” reporter running this site it seems.”

    Because Orr has been beat up in the 2nd half of the season and still is bothered by an “upper-body injury”. It’s been said by the team and has been on this website for a long time. He wouldn’t sit Orr just for the hell of it.

  11. Wow I’ve gotta read Messier’s book, he admits to using blow in EDM’s hayday? HOLY smokes I’d consider that pretty crazy information! I wouldn’t really finger Mess to be a coke guy, just straight up killing cases of Molson and smashing bottles against the wall.

    PJ STOCK 28

    Remind us of the Ted Nolan/players wife story?

  12. I think if Gomer plays, Orr has too. Even if Orr is truely bothered by an ‘upper body injury’, he can still beat some ass.

  13. salty – I don’t believe that it was an autobiography. So that part could hold as much weight as Canseco’s claims.

    But it makes for great conversation eh?!

  14. I’d love to see scotty back in tonight…we need his scoring in a bad way! But it’s not worth the risk. We really need him 100% for the playoffs. If he starts playing tonight, he may never get back to 100% for the playoffs. If he sits until Sunday, it’s 3 more days to heal.

  15. Just kidding. But if the Rangers somehow win the cup this year, who is coming to a party at the Red Robin hosted by yours truly, the Nasty 1?

  16. Poor Prucha in his rookie year he scores 30 goals(16 on the pp) The next year he is shuffled throughout the lineup and sometimes in and out and get little pp time yet he scores 22 goals somehow. The next year with a team that can’t score to save their lives and has the worst pp in the world he can’t get pp time and is shuffled out of the lineup for hands of Stone Orr and Hollweg and now a guy like Sjostrom(who to be fair has played fine) who can’t add the offense Prucha can. You can give Renney credit for bringing along some of the young guys but on the Prucha front he dropped the ball.

  17. Is Slats making Renney play Backman and Sjostrom ??? That can be the only reasonable explanation … especially for continually playing Backman …

  18. If Gomez plays – Hollweg should sit.
    We need Orr – like it or not, we need Orr !

  19. I don’t think its fair to say that the Orr/Betts/Holleweg line is taking Prucha’s ice time. Every team in the league pretty much has a line of bruisers, checkers and defensive specialists. Sure, you can probably find someone better than Holleweg for his spot but that’s not where Prucha would slot in.

    I’m sorry but a 6’0″ (maybe), 175lb (soaking wet in his gear) player who’s exhibited some scoring touch in the past doesn’t belong on that line.

    I think that Prucha is losing his ice time to Dawes, Callahan and Sjostrom. Why Renney doesn’t rotate Prucha in more, who knows? Maybe the other guys are improving their game while Prucha is regressing in their opinion.

  20. if gomez goes, id drop straka down to fourth line center and let prucha play with callahan. hollweig is not needed and that would be a pretty good fourth line

  21. If you use him on the 4th line and give him pp time I think he can add alot more than Hollweg or even Sjostrom.

  22. Who Needs Lohan on

    graves9 “and now a guy like Sjostrom(who to be fair has played fine)”
    koffy “Is Slats making Renney play Backman and Sjostrom ??? That can be the only reasonable explanation”

    Those are some very irresponsible statements. But then again I should consider the sources…… Shoestring is a more effective player than Prucha overall. He plays 10x bigger, has at least an equivalent scoring touch, hits harder, plays smarter, and indescribably better on defense.

  23. Yeah he has the same scoring touch as a guy who scored 52 goals in his first two years………. right.

  24. central park Yogger on

    Jagr has ZERO PP goals in the last 31 games

    that’s right folks. ZERO in 31 games.

    so, if anybody tries to defend this flop and say they want him back, you can go to hell.

    he gets more PP ice time than any forward, he controls the PP from the right half boards, he tells them what style they are going to use when he is out there, and yet he has not scored one single PP goal in 31 games. that is beyond pathetic.

    he is the flop of ‘08

    good riddance after this season is over, and screw Sather if he brings back this washed up joke.

  25. He’s already juicing. Jags bought him a juicer for xmas last year. He makes fresh carrot juice, fresh OJ, etc.

    That’s why he bulked up to 178!

  26. Btw if you took a reading comprehension class your feeble mind would understand that I wasn’t knocking Sjostrom. I think the Lohan name fits afterall you might have a lower IQ than Lindsey. Prucha my point was could help the pp if given a class…… duh

  27. Doodie Machetto on

    “good riddance after this season is over, and screw Sather if he brings back this washed up joke.”

    The washed up joke is second on the team in points, third in goals. Funny how people hate on the guy because he isn’t putting up 100 pts like he used to.

    Our PP sucks for many more reasons beyond the fact that JJ isn’t putting it home.

  28. central park Yogger on

    Jagr has ZERO PP goals in the last 31 games

    that’s right folks. ZERO in 31 games.

    only a tool would try to defend that. one has already surfaced.

  29. Right on Doodie…these guys are insane. JJ is one of the best players the NHL has ever seen.

  30. Lohan….You answered your own question. Consider the sources of those statements. Go back and look at some past posts by the guys you wonder about. Backman has def not been the worst D-man on the ice over the past 4-5 games. In fact I could argue he has been in the top 3. And Shoe is better than anyone thought he would be. In 10 games as a Ranger (has it been that many?) he has 2 goals. I like that trend a lot more than I like Prucha’s trend of the past 3 years. And I like Shoe’s size 10x more than Pru’s, esp as we head into the post-season.

    BTW, is it just me or does our season really lie in the balance in the next 3 games versus Devs, Pitt, Pitt? I mean we need probably 4 pts in those games, maybe even 5. If we get less than that, we will be very tight and pressing when we play the Islanders back to back. And then we play the Devs again.

    In my eyes, the next 3 games make or break it all.

  31. Doodie Machetto on

    “Right on Doodie…these guys are insane. JJ is one of the best players the NHL has ever seen.”

    I wouldn’t call them insane. Yes, he is one of the best players the NHL has ever seen, but certainly not one of the best this year. He’s having the worst season of his career, which is still better than 75% of the league.

    The thing is, we built our offense around him scoring goals, and since he can’t, we don’t. If you want to blame anyone, blame Renney for not having the stones to bench him for such poor PP performance.

    But to call him “washed up,” even though he is second on the team in scoring and third in goals is nonsense. He just isn’t the unstoppable force he used to be. He’s just a better than average player. Which is fine if he were used that way. But he is still being pushed as the superstar, which at this point is pure folly.

  32. Kris
    “If gomer can go then he shoudl go, no questions asked…. I wouldnt mind seeing Prucha in for Orr to add a bit of a scoring touch…..they can hit us all they want so long as the final score is something like 5-2 Rangers!!”

    Scoring touch from Prucha? Yeah, ok. Say goodbye to your credibility flying out the window. Typical “new NHLer”. You must have been born post ’94 cup.

  33. central park Yogger on

    this is perfect. it really exposes the clueless frauds on this board. you know, the guys who rip on role players for this and that, but defend this piece of crap with ZERO PP goals in 31 games.

    it shows the double standard that these cretins use. if anyone else had done that, they would be ripping them a new one on this board. but this is their little hero, little pussy-chin can do no wrong in their feeble minds.

  34. You know…..

    In actual PP goals scored, the Rangers rank #19. Tied with 54 PPG’s. If Jags OR ANYONE had just 5 more PPG’s, it would put us up to 11th. That’s PPG’s, not PP%. The only spin I can put on that (salty) is that with the inaccurate way of PP% calcualtion. I’m not telling anybody anything they don’t already know here, but maybe don’t take it into account when speaking of the PP.

    How many times to we see those PP’s that last 20seconds. Or worse, there’s been those that last just 2-3 seconds. Yet they will count against your PP%.

    Not that it would be that much better, and I don’t even know where to begin to figure it out the way it should be calculated PPG’s vs. Time On PP.

    Also…We’ve allowed the 5th fewest shorty’s against. There’s something to hang your hat on.

    All that said…there’s no excuse for these players to be producing so little on the PP.

  35. Who Needs Lohan on

    am i the only one who finds it amusing that you are contradicting my grammar and my reading comp when you write run on sentences about every game that take five hours to read and then when you get half way done you feel more stupider and then you just decide to either go on and read something else or slice your wrist open so dont tell me about grammar mr graves9 since you dont know you’re ass from your elbow

  36. Who Needs Lohan on

    before you go all crazy the spelling, punctuation and other errors were done on purpose so dont get your panties in a bunch

  37. “The thing is, we built our offense around him scoring goals, and since he can’t, we don’t. If you want to blame anyone, blame Renney for not having the stones to bench him for such poor PP performance.”

    Actually doodie – Slats built the offense that way. That’s fall-guy #1. Fall-guy #2 is Jagr for not holding up his end. Fall-guy #3 is Renney for believing in a 600goal scorer.

  38. People that fault other’s grammer are grasping at straws trying to cover up their own shortcomings.

  39. easy with the suicide jokes there, think ur taking this a little personally. and sjostrom is definitely bigger than prucha (and I like Sjostrom for the fourth line), but he has never shown the offensive ability that Prucha has in the nhl

  40. Doodie Machetto on

    “this is perfect. it really exposes the clueless frauds on this board. you know, the guys who rip on role players for this and that, but defend this piece of crap with ZERO PP goals in 31 games”

    I don’t rip the role players. I love them. I’m saying JAgr should be a role player as well, and that role shouldn’t include the PP. You’re pointing to his poor PP production. I’m agreeing with you. But the PP isn’t the only time he gets on the ice. The fact that he has so little PP production just illustrates that he is doing OK at even strength to be 2nd on the team in scoring.

    You’re ripping his PP production. I’m saying take him off the PP then. How does his PP production affect his ES production (which is above average, but certainly not Superstar caliber)?

  41. Doodie Machetto on

    “Actually doodie – Slats built the offense that way. That’s fall-guy #1. Fall-guy #2 is Jagr for not holding up his end. Fall-guy #3 is Renney for believing in a 600goal scorer.”

    I’ll buy that. But at the same time, Prucha got 10 games on the PP this year. Jagr is 0 for 31 games. At some point, you need to tell the big fella to focus on ES.

  42. Who Needs Lohan on

    on Jagr…
    I dont get that upset about his production as a whole, and go comparing him to others on the team and to his previous seasons. The guy is getting older, he isnt the player he used to be, that is quite obvious. I just get pissed when he suddenly plays like he is on a mission. Just shows you that he is not putting in the effort every night. Thats the difference between Shanny and Jagr. Shanny is washed up for the most part, he knows his limitations and does all he can IMO. Jagr has a switch that he can trun on at times, but I truly believe he is giving us 60% or so on most nights…

  43. I retract that doodie. I DO have a small argument with that one….

    What did Prucha do to early on this season to deserve the PP time anyway?

  44. Who Needs Lohan on

    uh oh, call the Punctuation Police, Lohan made and error. And its Lindsay Lohan, not Lindsey dipsh!t.

  45. Doodie Machetto on

    WNL, the effort is pretty much on par every night (sometimes he shows a little bit more energy, perhaps from extra rest between games?), but the coverage isn’t. Look at the times Jagr was controlling in Philly. He was being covered by Kimmo Timmonen. Timmonen is a good defenseman, but he certainly isn’t the typical coverage Jagr faces, i.e., big, physical defenseman, or defensive specialist forward. The lighter coverage let him dominate on Tuesday.

  46. I ran into Sam at the gym at 115pm when he got back from the practice. I asked him about Gomer and he said game time decision. Make what you want of the FAN report. I doubt in the 60 minutes from when Sam left practice and showed up at the gym a decision was made. However, stranger shit has happened. Maybe when he changes the diapers he will update us.

  47. Henrik L. has the same number of PP goals as Jagr in the last 31 games. and so does Strudwick

  48. Richard – Just that NY press for ya. At least Sam & Dellapina took the ‘game-time decision’ quote literally from Renney. Unlike the Fan saying ‘yes’, and Brooks-y saying ‘no’.

  49. Who Needs Lohan on

    Doodie, I was scrolling up to see who this WNL person you were writing to was. I think there was MSG in my Kung Pao today!

  50. Doodie Machetto on

    “What did Prucha do to early on this season to deserve the PP time anyway?”

    I think the proper response to that is that Prucha is a PP specialist. Look at his goal totals. 16 of 30, 8 of 22, 2 of 7. Thats 44% of his career goals on the PP. Jagr, by contrast, has 27%.

  51. Yogger, not sure if that’s crack you’re smoking, but whatever it is, put it down. You’re making a bad name for Ranger fans.

    Jagr’s stats 07-08:

    GP:76 G:20 A:43 PTS:63 +/-:10 PIM:54 PPG:4 PPA:20

    Messier’s stats 93-94:

    GP:76 G:26 A:58 +/-:25 PIM: 76 PPG:6 PPA: 30

    Make your own decision….

  52. ok doodie – I see where you were coming from on that. But I hate that reasoning. Nothing personal.

    If you have to cater to players on-ice needs, those aren’t the players you need. Just like Marcel Hossa…can only produce when playing with Jags. Same/similar logic in my book.

    Players should be rewarded with PP time.

  53. i think shanny is more like messier in his final tour here. he still thinks he is an elite player but his performance is just not there. and renney doesnt have the cajones to limit his playing time, the biggest reason why shanny should not be here next year

    beer, problem with your argument re Prucha and the power play is that none of the players have done anything to deserve time on the powerplay and the current group of players being used has been atrocious (as I’m sure you’ll readily admit) thus at least Prucha would be a change and he has had past success and Jagr has had past success with Prucha. shanny, jagr and straka are clearly still used based on past success so why not Prucha if he is actually in the lineup, and avery should not be on the pp

  54. eff yourself mr clueless. don’t try to change the subject. ZERO PP gaols in 31 games. you have no answer to that except your idol worship bs. stick your pompons where the sun don’t shine

  55. Doodie Machetto on

    By the way, Dan Girardi has the highest % of career PP goals with 55% (5 of 9). Rozsi is 2nd with 47% (22 of 46).

    Prucha is highest among forwards with 44% (26 of 59), Drury is 2nd with 38% (83 of 216), and Shanny is a close third with 36% (234 of 649).

  56. yeah pete, I won’t argue that. And at this point, you try anything.

    But early on, there was quite a bit of validity to the excuse of needing time for the new pp units to gel. As the season moved on, prucha wasn’t producing the way he was expected(not that many were), and his all-around game was slipping as others were improving. He became somewhat a victim of #’s.

    But like I said, at this point you try anything on the PP. But with a 100% healthy squad, where does he fit? That’s been the biggest problem. IMO.

  57. “but he has never shown the offensive ability that Prucha has in the nhl”

    because he’s never played a game that matters. Its tough to score or do anything when you play for the Coyotes. He’s never been around talent like Prucha has.

    “Prucha my point was could help the pp if given a class…… duh”

    if you mean he could help the PP, then I’d say no. One guy isn’t going to come in and make it click. And if you are wondering why he doesn’t play, its because guys like Dawes and Callahan have shown more than him. The game isn’t about just scoring. Sure Prucha can score, or at least he could, but its about what you do when you don’t have the puck that really makes you a good hockey player. I just think Callahan and Dawes make smarter decisions away from the puck than Prucha, and even with the puck, they can do more than just shoot (See any of Dawes assists).

    “Jagr has ZERO PP goals in the last 31 games

    that’s right folks. ZERO in 31 games.

    so, if anybody tries to defend this flop and say they want him back, you can go to hell.

    he gets more PP ice time than any forward, he controls the PP from the right half boards, he tells them what style they are going to use when he is out there, and yet he has not scored one single PP goal in 31 games. that is beyond pathetic.

    he is the flop of ‘08

    good riddance after this season is over, and screw Sather if he brings back this washed up joke.”

    You are hilarious my friend. He’s the reason our PP sucks. He’s the only one on the PP not scoring. The whole PP sucks and like I said, its the system. You definately haven’t seen the improvement in Jagr’s defensive game, which I think is why he offensive numbers are down. Renney got him to be more responsible defensively, something nobody else has done and made him a more complete player.

    I feel that if he was 28 or 29 he’d be able to do both where he could get 120-130 points and play good defensive hockey, but he’s 36 and I dont expect him to do everything. Modano did it for Dallas and his offensive game took a huge hit, but hes a better overall team player for it. Once again I’ll say that I’m not a fan of having Jagr back, but making him a scapegoat for certain things not working on this team is just a joke. Everyone should be held accountable, not just him.

    I guess that makes me a clueless fraud too even though I defend guys like Orr and Betts and the other role guys.

  58. Doodie Machetto on

    “eff yourself mr clueless. don’t try to change the subject. ZERO PP gaols in 31 games. you have no answer to that except your idol worship bs. stick your pompons where the sun don’t shine”

    I haven’t changed the subject. I’ve agreed with you. JAgr should be removed from the PP. But then I’ve said that beyond the PP, you have no answers except your blind hatred.

    Beer, I’m sorry, but I don’t buy the “reward with PP time” theory. I subscribe to a “win at all costs theory.” Suppose some guy is scoring a ton at ES, but sucks on the PP. Now suppose there is another guy who sucks at ES, but is great on the PP, who would you rather have on your PP?

    The Hossa argument doesn’t follow because that’s looking at one player, as opposed to what’s best for the team. If Hossa and JAgr clicked this year and they both scored 35 goals a piece, wouldn’t YOU want them to be paired together? Clearly, that didn’t happen, and so Hoss was useless. It’s about what is best for the team, not the player. I’m not saying Prucha should’ve been used on the PP for his own benefit, I was saying it was for the team’s benefit.

    Same as why I agree with blind hatred guy over Jags being removed from the PP. I don’t care about the individual, I just want the team to succeed.

  59. “And if you are wondering why he doesn’t play, its because guys like Dawes and Callahan have shown more than him. The game isn’t about just scoring. Sure Prucha can score, or at least he could, but its about what you do when you don’t have the puck that really makes you a good hockey player.”

    Right. And it’s also the reason that Dawes was sent to HTFD to bring that part of his game. And it worked. I really think that slats & co. dropped the ball on not sending Prucha down for the same ‘conditioning’. As a few have stated here before.

  60. Everyone still having the Prucha debate….old, tired discussion by now. Or at least I thought it was on Monday.

    What about my question that the season really lies in the balance in the next 3 games?

  61. “WNL, the effort is pretty much on par every night (sometimes he shows a little bit more energy, perhaps from extra rest between games?), but the coverage isn’t. Look at the times Jagr was controlling in Philly. He was being covered by Kimmo Timmonen. Timmonen is a good defenseman, but he certainly isn’t the typical coverage Jagr faces, i.e., big, physical defenseman, or defensive specialist forward. The lighter coverage let him dominate on Tuesday.”

    Exactly what I was going to say. People think hes still in his prime. I’m not gonna make excuses for him, but at 36 with a history of having problems with his groin and hip flexor, its not exactly that easy to dominate everyone. When you are up against a Timmonen its much easier than playing against Witt or someone thats more physical and much bigger.

  62. I see that both ways doodie. I think on a team with as much youth, and focus on developing them. You need to give them those in-game/on-ice examples of what is the reward/result for hard/complete play. But again, either way I can see.

    So pumped for the game. Rangers/Devils, cold case of Bud Select, a Salisbury Steak Hungry Man tv dinner (that I haven’t had in 10 yrs) and only 45min till I leave work.

  63. Doodie Machetto on

    “Right. And it’s also the reason that Dawes was sent to HTFD to bring that part of his game. And it worked. I really think that slats & co. dropped the ball on not sending Prucha down for the same ‘conditioning’. As a few have stated here before”

    I was all over that one. BIG mistake on their part.

  64. Newman – I forgot to respond to that. I’d add that last game vs. the devils too though. Those 4 are easily the most important. But just like the boys in blue, we start looking at what are the ‘big’ games and lose sight of the fact that taking 2 points from ANY team help your cause.

    I don’t think you’ll find anyone to say that the pair vs the isles are bigger than vs pitt or nj.

  65. the poll had most people voting to trade the big flop. and if you add the votes to let him walk, they vastly outnumber the people who want him back. so that shows that the silent majority has it right, but they are shouted down from commenting regularly by the clueless blowhards who brown nose Jagr at every turn and dominate the board

  66. Who Needs Lohan on

    one more note on Prucha, I think him not re-entering the lineup had less to do with his actual numbers and more to do with it being hard to watch him get thrown around like a girl from the Emperor’s club.

    Newman…I think the next 3 games are bigger than HUGE. The ISLEs scare the eff out of me if they had a chance to knock us out of the playoffs. Im sure Teddy Wifebanger has those two circled somewhere in the lockerroom. I dont think we need 4 or 5 though. We need 3 to feel somewhat ok. 4 or 5 would be much better but 0-2 and i’ll be ready with the Vaseline for our trip to Uniondale

  67. Who Needs Lohan on

    Beer Me, the 2 vs the Isles are bigger IF we lay an egg in the 3 prior, thats for sure!

  68. i cant say for sure about Sjostrom b/c I haven’t watched phoenix games the past few season, but as a first round draft pick, i would be willing to guess that Sjostrom was given a chance on one of the top two lines at some point. and phoenix might not have had a player comparable to jagr, but they have had some decent players. anyways i dont want prucha to take sjostrom place, prucha should be on the third line not the fourth.

    has prucha’s game slipped this year? sure, but i don’t think its entirely his fault, nor do I think he is the defensive liability that Renney and some of you always have painted him to be.

    as far as jagrs defensive game, at times he has indeed shown a willingness to hustle back, but I can remember just as many times this year when he loafed it back or made a miserabley slow change that resulted in a goal for the other team. bottom line, if jagr were scoring 40 goals we wouldnt have to worry about his defensive game. fine if he is not that player anymore (and doesnt appear to be) but then put him on the third line and give him limited powerplay time

  69. prucha’s was healed from his injury after about two games so i dont think he was eligible for a reconditioning stint and unlike dawes or cally, you couldn’t just send him down to hartford

  70. Doodie Machetto on

    Jagr Sucks, I was actually one of the loudest voices to trade him. I wanted to send him to SJ for Bernier and Erhoff.

    But just because I was looking towards the team’s long term success doesn’t mean that he is a lousy player. In fact, I thought he could get a big return for the exact opposite reason.

    SJ supposedly offered Bernier for Avery, just Avery. Imagine if we gave them Jagr? They would’ve pulled the trigger on that deal in no time.

  71. “the 2 vs the Isles are bigger IF we lay an egg in the 3 prior, thats for sure!”

    Thanks for stating the obvious LindsEy. Just bustin your stones.

    “nor do I think he is the defensive liability that Renney and some of you always have painted him to be.”

    On most teams, no. He’s not that big of a defensive liability. That’s on teams with a solid D corp. We weren’t provided that luxury from slats b/c Lowe, Gretzky & JD wouldn’t trade any good dmen to NY. But he’s not a 2-way player. That’s where the focus was. That’s why Gomer & Drury are Rangers.

    I like prucha, but I DO think he was beaten out for his job.

  72. Doodie Machetto on

    Pete, it is so easy to bypass it. All they had to say was that he wasn’t playing due to lingering soreness and so he needed conditioning.

  73. “i dont think he was eligible for a reconditioning stint”

    ‘think’. Exactly…none of us know for sure and would like proof.

  74. doodie – the only thing I read in the CBA that would be a problem (and I believe I posted the section on it) was that it needs to be approved by the league. Unfortunately for us, Slats doesn’t like to be friends with the league.

  75. by the way, if any of you guys live on the Island and commute by LIRR there was a collsion this morning in Jamaica and the trains are still al messed up because of it. The LIRR is reporting half hour delays, which if any of you ride means hour long delays…

  76. Doodie Machetto on

    Well, either way, it’s too late now.

    As for Prucha, I’m not trying to rehash the old debate of should he be in or shouldn’t he. In fact, I’m of the opinion that he has lost his spot in the fully healthy squad. But, since he IS in the lineup, why not throw him on the PP. Seriously, could it get any worse?

  77. Moron Lohan he was thrown around like a rag doll his first two years as well. Guess what he scored. Oh btw dipsh!t you’re a bigger douchebag than Obama’s pastor and Spitzer combined.

  78. 13.8 Conditioning Loan. Unless a Player consents, he shall not be Loaned on a
    Conditioning Loan to a minor league club. Such Conditioning Loan shall not extend for
    more than fourteen (14) consecutive days. The Commissioner may take whatever steps
    he deems necessary to investigate the circumstances under which a Player is Loaned on a
    Conditioning Loan. If the Commissioner has reason to believe or determines that the
    Club has used the Conditioning Loan to evade the Re-Entry Waivers, or otherwise
    Circumvent any provision of this Agreement, he may take such disciplinary action
    against the Club, as he deems appropriate. The Player shall continue, during the period
    of such Conditioning Loan, to receive the same Paragraph 1 NHL Salary, and be entitled
    to the same benefits, that he would have received had he continued to play with the Club.

  79. Doodie Machetto on

    Agra, yes, he did, but we’re saying that he should have. Not whether he would or not.

  80. It’s nice to see Jags still has his sense of humor. Hope he is a Ranger next year. :)

  81. Brooks already made mention that you can’t send a player on a conditioning stint after the trade deadline. I sure don’t get that rule and it should be changed.

  82. Is graves9 & prucha27 the same person?

    I’m not making a joke or anything. Seriously.

  83. Brooks also says Gomez “will not play”. I wouldn’t put too much faith in Uncle Larry.

  84. o my bad Doodie, yea I thought he ought to have had a conditining stint as well, since he hadn’t played, but he came out last game feisty and energetic. SO I guess it was all right. I would like to see him get some power play time too, bu at this pint in the season its to late to keep changing things around, and if he on’t be in during the postseason they need to go forward with the players they will have on the ice…

  85. beer, ur right im not positive about but his injury was not that serious and if it has to be approved by the league ur right the nhl isnt cutting sather any breaks.

  86. Doodie Machetto on

    Larry Brooks, Homo Larry… connection?

    Nah, it’s true about the conditioning stint not being available after the deadline, but he could have been sent down before the deadline.

    The flip side of that coin is players claimed off of reentry waivers after the deadline are ineligible to play for you during the playoffs.

  87. pete – that’s always something that’s overlooked. Not just here, but by lots of fans. They think it’s just ‘that easy’. Slats probably never even picked up the phone to try! haha

  88. Doodie Machetto on

    But the thing is, it wasn’t even attempted. If it wasn’t approved, he wouldn’t go. If approval is what you’re worried about, you make up your mind and then ask the league. You don’t decide against a course of action from fear of the league’s disapproval.

  89. they definately are. same wording, both call people morons because others have different opinions about prucha.

  90. “Moron Lohan he was thrown around like a rag doll his first two years as well. Guess what he scored. Oh btw dipsh!t you’re a bigger douchebag than Obama’s pastor and Spitzer combined.”

    He was thrown around this year and guess what, he didn’t score.

  91. Doodie Machetto on

    I’m hungry.

    I’m thinking another OTL for the Rangers tonight. But then again, I’m a “glass half empty” kind of guy.

  92. Is Beer me and Hank the Angry drunken dwarf the same person? Seriously I’m not making a joke.

  93. He also didn’t get pp time like the last two years. Last year in the second half he got more pp time and his play and the pp picked up. As someone else mentioned he is an pp specialist. If used on the pp on a consistant basis he’ll score imo.

  94. “He also didn’t get pp time like the last two years. Last year in the second half he got more pp time and his play and the pp picked up. As someone else mentioned he is an pp specialist. If used on the pp on a consistant basis he’ll score imo.”

    So we’re supposed to keep him in the lineup when there are better ES players just because he could potentially help us on the PP? Makes sense. Waste a roster spot just to get a powerplay specialist so that if we have a game where there are few or no penalties, his use is limited. I get it now.

  95. Who Needs Lohan on

    that was good graves9 or shall i call you Prucha27???? Seriously bro, settle down over there.

  96. I’m actually BeerMe masquering as someone else just looking to get into fake arguements to add some spice to the site. I would say more but I’m out with the Clintons looking to avoid sniper attacks in Bosnia.

  97. Prucha had some chemistry with Drury on a line and earlier in the season he had good chemistry with Dubi and Dawes. I think he is fine 5 on 5 and can be a dangerous scorer on the pp.

  98. Who Needs Lohan on

    the political humor is certainly going to spice this site up, you’re right

  99. prucha looked good with gomez as well but as long as shanny and jagr on the team i guess i just have to face it that the lines are gonna be built to cater to their strengths/desires and then the rest of the available spots are the only way for cally, dawes and prucha to play. i would rather have prucha playing everything besides pk than straka but as renney doesn’t so guess thats that…but here’s hoping he is in tonight and has a hat trick.

    question, say prucha somehow got on the pp tnte and scored a goal or two, how could renney then justify sitting him? That may be enough of a reason for renney not to give the kid a shot…..and i’m only half kidding

  100. “Prucha had some chemistry with Drury on a line and earlier in the season he had good chemistry with Dubi and Dawes. I think he is fine 5 on 5 and can be a dangerous scorer on the pp.”

    Yeah but is he better than Dawes or Callahan? I like Prucha, I want him to do well, just on this years team he isn’t a top 6 winger (well he could but we’re not benching Shanny or Jagr). So if there are better 5 on 5 guys out there, then hes the one that should shit. Next year he should be in the lineup every game unless we sign some insane free agents.

  101. I don’t think you could realistically ever pull Jagr off the PP. Obviously, he and the rest of the units haven’t been scoring.

    Would anyone on this board be willing to argue that there is someone on the Rangers who has more offensive skill both shooting and play making in the zone?

    Jagr is a one way player, offensive player. He’s been a little better on defense this year but not much. And he doesn’t kill penalties.

    That said, if I were the coach – I’m trotting the most skilled offensive player on my team on that power play every time.

    The thing that pisses me and probably everyone else off about Jagr is the momentary flashes of absolute domination. He skates 105% for 15 seconds then its right back to normal Jagr – curling once he enters the zone, staying on the ice too long, the slow changes, etc. I know every time I see the 15 seconds of domination I always think to myself “he’s saving it up for the third period” and it never comes, which drives me crazy.

    He might not be a Ranger next year but he’s still strong and can still shoot – the pucks are just not finding their way in this year. Someone is going to take a chance on him and pay him whether its another NHL team, Czech, Russian, whatever – he’s not going to play for $3mn or $4mn in NY.

  102. I think all three will be back. I hope I’m wrong. I expect Prucha to be traded this offseason. I hope if he is traded it is for a crease clearing, hard hitting dman instead of a soft error prone one(Sather loves those)

  103. Jonny I’m not suggesting putting Prucha ahead of Dawes and Cally at this time. I suggest use him on the 4th line over Hollweg and give him pp time as well.

  104. “Jonny I’m not suggesting putting Prucha ahead of Dawes and Cally at this time. I suggest use him on the 4th line over Hollweg and give him pp time as well.”

    I’d agree with that except we have Sjostrom who is a much better defensive player and checker. Prucha isn’t big enough to play on that line since its out there to intimidate. If we didn’t have Freddie, then I’d be all for it though.

  105. “The thing that pisses me and probably everyone else off about Jagr is the momentary flashes of absolute domination. He skates 105% for 15 seconds then its right back to normal Jagr – curling once he enters the zone, staying on the ice too long, the slow changes, etc. I know every time I see the 15 seconds of domination I always think to myself “he’s saving it up for the third period” and it never comes, which drives me crazy.”

    I think Doodie said it before, but I think much of that depends on who he is playing against. He was dominant against the Flyers for example because he was up against a much smaller and non physical defenseman. When he’s up against Chara and Witt and those bigger hitting guys, its tough for him to get free and have skating room since they shadow him. It doesn’t help that those guys usually hook and hold the hell out of him and don’t get called for penalties, which I have to say I give Jagr credit for not complaining about that.

  106. haha. I guess renney agrees with the guys who rightfully pointed out Malik’s crappy performance last game. the clueless jokers who defended malik look like real jerks now that he has been benched. they can go crawl back under their malik fan club rock now.

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