As far as Tom Renney is concerned, it’s still the middle of January

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In these blissful days of late March, the season is turning before our very eyes: buds on the trees, birds in the sky, and of course, growing talk of playoff match-ups.

Don’t count Tom Renney as a participant, however. The coach was asked whether there was a team out there that the Rangers sized up best against, and he quickly deferred. With seven games remaining in the regular season, and a very desperate Philadelphia team on the Rangers plate tonight, Renney had little interest in looking too far ahead.

“It’s just too close and we recognize the teams we’re playing against are very good and they’ll do everything they can to prevent us from securing a playoff spot,” the coach said. “So until  such time as we do that, I’d rather not go there.”

And yet even in saying that, Renney acknowledged that home ice is very much a priority at this point in the season, if only because the East is so close, it might come down to that. For the Rangers, that is still very much within their grasp, sitting just three points out of fourth place.

Should the stars align, the team could be in that fourth spot some time around 9:30 on Thursday. But it’s hard to get too excited given the setbacks the team has endured of late: still without two of their top centers and their top defenseman, the Rangers first have to worry about getting through tonight in one piece. If they do that, maybe the conversation can begin anew tomorrow.

More in a bit…

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  1. Oh how I hate the Flyers….
    We better not lose tonight!!!
    2-1 Rangers win. 3-1 if they get an empty netter.

  2. At least we don’t have to put up with Joe Beninati, although I don’t know about this guy.

    It’s scary that the Flyers will have the same number of points as us if they win in regulation. It looks like first is truly out of reach now, but we can definitely still take second. It’s up to the players to decide which way they want to go. I’m not too enthusiastic about this game tonight, but then I remember the 2005-06 season when so many non-stars played well for Renney, so I still give us a chance! Let’s do it!

  3. Anyone have a link to the game online? Someone had a versus link last time that worked real well.

  4. Classic Jagr goal. Good start.

    On another note, I am emailing Versus. Why must they constantly block the play with the graphics? The giant scoreboard across the top of the screen is ridiculous.

  5. That was a pretty amazing goal by Jagr, since it didn’t deflect off of anybody. It reminds me of the glory days of 2005-06.

    I like the hit parade that Mara has been bringing so far.

  6. Versus sux! The announcer referred to the Rangers as the Broad Street Blueshirts. And the high def camera they are using is crap. The picture is totally grainy.

  7. Billynj1 – I’d worry more about the graphics that come across the bottom during play while the puck is in the neutral zone but moving up. The scoreboard is usually not in the way, usually over the glass anyway.

  8. What’s so bad about calling them the Broadway Blueshirts? That’s one of their nicknames – you wouldn’t bash a baseball announcer for calling the Yankees the Bronx bombers, would you?

  9. Ken–they didn’t call them the Broadway Blueshirts (which would be correct). They called them they Broad “Street” Blueshirts … They confused the nickname with the Flyers’ Broad Street Bullies nickname.

  10. Doodie Machetto on

    Ken, the devil is in the details. BroadWAY Blue shirts is fine. Broad STREET blue shirts is not.

    Broad street bullies are the Flyers.

    Even when JAgs was struggling REALLY bad, I KNEW he would get to 20 goals, keeping that streak alive.

  11. Another good move by Prucha goes without a shot. I think our defense has been pretty shoddy along with too many turnovers so far. Lundqvist has looked good.

    “Lundqvist has six saves to date.” OK, maybe this guy is worse than Beninati, but at least he is more even-keeled. Why couldn’t they get Rosen to do these games instead of NHL Radio, which he is probably doing.

    Vintage Jagr tonight boys and girls!

  12. My mistake, apparently I can’t actually read.

    Is anyone else surprised that the rangers are likely to have no 30 G scorers this season, with all the guys they have that were/are capable?

    Not that I’m complaining, since I’m guessing the trade off would be less balanced scoring and looser defense.

  13. Doodie Machetto on

    If there is one thing I don’t miss about ESPN having the NHL, it’s Brian Engblom.

  14. I didn’t think that should be a penalty, but that’s good for us, if the Rangers can actually score.

    Yeah, those F-bombs were great.

    Pittsburgh up 1-0 on a goal from *Doodie’s boy*.

    I like how the announcer says *Danielle* Briere.

  15. Doodie Machetto on

    Malone is definitely my boy. I think he’s gonna be an amazing power forward.

  16. OK, that time I can’t blame Versus too much. The officials at MSG didn’t take a commercial when they should have – first time under six minutes at even strength, not after a goal.

  17. versus is really messing things up with these commercials…first they go to commercial during game play, and then they spend an awkward 15 seconds on the back of backman’s head in the penalty box before segueing into a commercial.
    i miss msg.

  18. If it’s vintage Jagr, how come he can’t score more?! Haha, he’s doing a pretty good job. Now he needs to set somebody up, maybe score another. Put the Philthies back where they belong.

  19. Orr needs to be on the ice more so he can make good hits rather than hitting everything whenever he can so he can stay away from penalties like that. As soon as I saw the ref put his arm up, I thought that was Hollweg, from far away.

  20. I’m not watching because I’m on vacation but I listen to the radio and Briere (again…) was left alone in front of the net…

  21. Not quite. He and Prospal were 2 on 1 down low against Malik. Briere passed and went really low so Malik went to Prospal, then Prospal almost immediately passed back to Briere who quickly shot it in. Malik *looked* bad but was in a tough spot there and didn’t really *play* it so badly.

  22. It may have been a turnover, but I wasn’t paying too close attention to the replay because I was upset. I’ll let you know if they show it again after the game.

  23. Doodie Machetto on

    Renney hasn’t rolled 4 and the forwards look tired as a result. Shootout is their only chance, if it even gets that far.

  24. edward r. murrow on

    eddie O had it right. gutless puke malik should have pulled him down. you don’t let a guy just walk in free for the winning goal. take a penalty at least and then take your chances.

  25. I really hope Sather is collecting footage of all these off-sides and bad turnovers produced by Avery. It will help us come bargaining time.

  26. Hockeyman Rangers #2 on

    What the h___ , didn’t these guys hear what I said this morning on this blog. 2 points in regulation. what the freak. Flyers just scored suck___ Ok now we will have to hear everyone on this blog beat up Malik again. WE REALLY NEED TO SCORE A FREAKING PP. HOW MANY CHANCES DID WE HAVE tonight??? IF WE HAD OUR PP WE WOULD HAVE HOME ICE.

  27. Avery not Malik caused the goal. I thought he learned his lesson from a couple of games ago but apparently not.

  28. malik still could have done something to stop him he had about 3 steps on richards and he just blew right by him, take him down or something

  29. f u if you think that piece of shit malik did his job. Eddie O. played for the ’94 rangers . he knows more than you do about who should have done what on that play. sure it was turnover, but they had 2 guys back who had their thumb up their ass

  30. Hey all you morons…Malik and Backman did NOT have a bad game…! I thought Malik and Backman played a pretty damn good game…Td…not sure which game you were watching
    Avery on the other hand made a completely BONE HEADED play…
    And our “5 million” blabber played a terrible game…

  31. Dr. Ogrodnick bows to Leetch on

    Chalk another loss up on Renney and his big vagina playing for the 1-0 win.

  32. im blaming this one on avery, he did this a few games ago with his blind drop pass and this wasnt much better. you cant really blame malik when richards gets a full head of steam the other way and he has to try and catch him. yeah he could’ve taken a penalty, but that one was definitely avery’s fault.

  33. any one who has ever played d at any level knows that as soon as possession is lost, the Dman on the side away from the puck immediately drops back to center ice to protect against a long pass, exactly what they did not do.

    a poor turnover by Avery, followed by very poor D by Malik, who did not drop back to anticipate the pass, nor did he haul the guy down as he should have.

  34. TD, go away. No one likes you, no one wants you here. Don’t you care that you’re not wanted?

  35. Where are the “Re-sign Avery!” chants tonight, MSG meatheads? That guy is worth over 4 million like Elliot Spitzer’s hooker was worth five grand, ie., NOT AT ALL.

  36. What bothers me about this team is that over the last few games they’ve failed to generate many good scoring chances. A few of their goals were off weaker chances that happened to go in but all in all, not generating much. Not much of a forecheck (the only time they use it they usually get a chance) and the PP isn’t helping matters. If they weren’t playing more defensively minded they would be losing by big margins on a nighly basis

  37. you can say what you want about malik on that last play but if avery doesn’t make that pass then he’s not in that situation. Malik was coming up the ice when the turnover happened and Richards took off as soon as he saw the change in possession. Should Malik have pulled him down? Sure probably but then its a 4 on 3 in which the Flyers probably score anyway. Stop trying to blame Malik and Backman for Averys mistakes.

  38. It probably would have been a 4 on 3. I bet Malik didn’t want to take a penalty because then even more focus would be on him. He put his stick in there and bumped Richards a bit, and Richards was off-balance when he shot the puck. Just a great job by him to stay with it.

    I don’t think Renney was specifically playing for the 1-0 victory, especially with those three players injured, but it did look like the Rangers turned it on more after the score was tied. They definitely were not playing for overtime. Biron made some good saves on Shanahan, Staal, and Jagr in this game, bottom line. Lundqvist made some good saves, too but Biron made more, I guess.

    Malik and Backman were not a pairing, by the way. One must have been out there while the other changed.

  39. malik was on the side of him from my view. I don’t think it woulda been a penalty shot. And if you would want a penalty shot in that situation, no matter how good henke is at them, you can bet the shooter is favored most of the time. All my point is is that if you are gonna blame Malik or Backman, you have to blame Avery too. He’s done it a couple times this year in key situations but I’m sure he’ll hold himself accountable on that play.

  40. I don’t think Avery will hold himself accountable for anything while he’s trying to get that contract he desires.

    Boy do we need a power play goal in the worst way.

    I can’t say the team looked much different without those three injured guys, but they couldn’t have hurt.

  41. you are friggin wrong. goalies stop about 2/3 of all penalty shots, and henrik is even better than that.

    and I said haul him down, and that does not mean the soft one handed reaching nudge that malik gave him.

  42. Terrible pass by Avery, weak defensive play by Malik, and horrid attempt to keep frozen ring ding out of net by Henrik

  43. WHAT’S WRONG WITH SHANAHAN? Anyone hear about anything that might be wrong with Shanny physically? He is not playing with any kind of verve, vigor or energy and I am wondering if his knee and hip problems that plagued him in January are acting up again. He looks nothing like the Shanahan we are used to and I don’t think it has anything to do with his being 39 years old.

  44. Great job Avery !!! You deserve 4 million !!!!

    Great job Renney … that away to coach down … The game was like watching paint dry … Rangers were playing for a point from mid-point on …

  45. Renney is not a coach. The facy that Avery does not belong to a centerman position was absolutely obvious to anyone watching him for the last couple of years. On the other hand, Straka could definitely fit in. The result: broken first line, ineffective Straka and disasterous Avery.
    Whatever games Rangers have won and will win in the future is despite, not because of Renney.

  46. wow , the pathetic losers are out in force tonight.. they gave up 2 goals, broken record bad PP and limited offense.

    Malik played well, when you do not get the puck deep things like this happen.

    keep prucha in the lineup sit either hollwegg or Orr…

    they need the added skill..

    they got a point, therefore it is not a disaster, 2 pts in reg. would have ended Philly’s challenge for 6th but shit happens.

  47. “Renney is not a coach. The facy that Avery does not belong to a centerman position was absolutely obvious to anyone watching him for the last couple of years. On the other hand, Straka could definitely fit in. The result: broken first line, ineffective Straka and disasterous Avery.
    Whatever games Rangers have won and will win in the future is despite, not because of Renney.”

    exactly. he had a good line in Dubi, Avery and jagr, he could have kept it together, and used straka at C until Gomez gets back, but no, renney has to tinker and screw up what was working for weeks.

  48. Yeah, but the Drucalaka line (as somebody calls it here) was working well also. Why not jsut put Prucha in at center for Gomez? I would guess it’s because of Prucha’s defense, but I don’t know. Then again, I don’t understand why people are complaining about this because the Dubinsky and Drury lines were still the best ones on the ice for the Rangers, no different from last game.

  49. you don’t just stick a winger at C. yes, it’s about the defensive responsibilities and the positioning in all situations. the faceoffs, the puckhandling, the matchups, etc

    Renney took 2 wingers, Avery and Hollweg, and put them at C. and both looked out of place and were not up to par.

    sure, they have played C in the past, but not regularly for a long time.

    Renney tinkers like a mad scientist in his lab coat.

  50. Avery was a center for 2 years with LA. Plus what did straka do or not do that was so wrong? I thought he played a solid game. If anything it was Dubi that was kinda ineffective on that line and its not saying much since they all had their chances. I just love how people go from “wow we are great” to “omg we are the worst team ever make changes now” in like one game.

    I also love how when we lose and Malik or Backman is on the ice, its immediately their fault 100% in the eyes of most. Most people don’t even know why they boo Malik or Backman anymore. They just see other people doing it so they follow the trend. Booing him isn’t gonna make him become a tank that checks everyone. He’s a large playmaking defenseman that has limited skating skills and thats all hes going to be. Every loss isn’t the guys fault. They got a point while Buffalo lost so its not like its a lost cause. Did I want two points? Of course. But we didn’t get it so just move on and focus on the next game.

  51. Dr. O –

    Right on. Another prime example of the Rangers praying to win a one goal game and then playing for the shootout when it gets tied up. Pathetic.

    So repetitive.

    PLAY TO PUT THE OTHER GUY AWAY AND TO WIN.

  52. Sheesh. For a long time I thought Ranger fans were hockey-educated fans. I am wrong in a big way, if some of the comments above this one are serious.

    Avery made the same mistake in OT that Jagr made 2 or 3 times in the same f’n game. ONE time that pass worked for Jags in the game and they think the flyers are dumb enough to fall for in repeatedly? No, no, no. Get the puck deep, go to the net. That easy Sean, it’s OT. Avery doesn’t have the skill-set to make those ‘euro-plays’. That’s not the player he is, and he better realize that before 4/9. Not blaming Avery for the entire loss here, but that was the wrong play at the wrong time of the game, at the wrong time of the season. But he’ll learn. And I’ll take the point for the, what, 15th time or so in the last 17/18 games? Better than the Devils 4th consecutive loss and slumping Ott. The only 2 teams we should really worry about.

    Why is everyone complaining about playing a close game? You guys DO realize that in 2 weeks, if you can’t play that game…you’re done. Right?

    Philthy’s regulation goal was a pretty piece of passing. My first thought was ‘pilon Malik’. But after seeing the replay, it was tough for anyone to stop. Some of your expectations of Malik are too high. He does what he can. It’s pretty obvious that he’s not an all-star dman, so don’t expect to see him play like one.

    Backman earned a little more faith from me last night. It was the first game in the last week or so that I was able to watch from the comfort of my couch. Which everyone knows is where you’ll be most attentive. And what I saw from him was reassuring. What I like the best was his ability to make ONE pass, UP the ice, OUT of the zone. Hopefully others will follow suit.

    I really wanted the 2pts last night. But we got one and gained ground on the devils who we’ll try to catch tomorrow night. They played well for making adjustements due to LOSING THEIR LEADING SCORER.

  53. Thanks for bringing some realism here Beer Me. I don’t get what all the complaining about the game is about.

  54. Good post BeerMe. I agree with your comments. The Avery play was the same one he did a couple of times during the last losing streak and what Jags has done quite ofter. I saw it coming then he made a deke to towards the boards anI thought he would peel that way but he didn’t. I could just feel the bad vibes. Their 1st goal was just a pretty play and I doubt any Dman would have stopped that. The one problem our guys were having all night was getting the puck off the boards and out of our zone. They kept getting hung up by the Flyers and losing it back deeper into the zone. Clean breakouts were few. When that’s not working for them they struggle in games like last night. But to me the game was lost with the PP or lack of. Got to do something there before the playoffs.

  55. Avery did own up to it right after the game, for the person who said he won’t be owning up to anything while he is looking for a contract. It was a bad play, both goals by Philly were results of bad plays by Avery tonight. It is that simple. I would have liked to see Malik take down Richards in OT though. Sometimes there are good penalties, and that would have been a good one. Backman and Malik did not have bad games. Maybe the guy who said Backman reminded him of Lidstrom meant Lidster? Ha. As in Doug Lidster.

  56. And definitely. Winning or not, you can definitely look at lasts nights game as the “story” of this season. The inability for the PP to break a game open for us. Or even just give us that one more goal to seal the deal.

  57. At the game last night, a couple of quick observations:

    1. Avery was nowhere after his first shift and obviously the two mistakes didn’t help.
    2. Backman was decent, stopped a nice 2 on 1 in the 1st period. I thought the offensive side of his game was solid.
    3. Shanahan must be hurt, the guy isn’t skating at all. Literally zero acceleration, has to be something wrong with him.
    4. Jagr baffles me even after watching him for 10+ years. His strength is still amazing, goal was good. There was one 10 second spot where he actually skated really, really hard but then he went back to his methodical pace. When Jagr enters the zone with the puck, there is no chance of him going to the net or taking a shot – which has to make it easy for the other team to defend.
    5. Prucha had a strong game, plenty of chances and lots of heart. Still tough to see him being successful long term given his high risk style of play.

  58. Oh yeah, no doubt the PP is what could eliminate us.

    I left one part out. And I feel the need to address it since it’s been such a topic. Prucha.

    I thought he played a decent game. Trying to do a little too much at points, but you can’t blame the guy b/c every player that sits for that long will do the same. I also like the fact that he sees that it’ll take some grit to crack back into the lineup. That could spell the end of Petr Prucha though. He had no choice but to get into that tussle. If he got punched in the back of the head and didn’t do it, then I’d line up for my chance to punch him in the back of the head too if I knew there were no consequences. Haha…I said tussle.

  59. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    Can *ANYONE* explain why Orr got a roughing penalty? Sits when is a hit from behind, .5seconds after the player had the puck a penalty in open ice? Cote didn’t hit the boards, and I’m baffled.

    It gets better though, 5 minutes later Dubinsky gets drilled in the back (in front of the Flyers net). Dubinsky hadn’t touched the puck either…was that roughing? or how about interference?

    Malik got scorched on 3 plays, two of which turned into goals. I blame him for them as much as I blame Renney for having Malik and Shanny (the team’s slowest two skaters) out there for 4 on 4. Overtime, I understand he has less of a choice and just rolls his defensman.

    My conclusion from last night, if we simply sit our “top” defensive pair (Rozsival & Malik) – this defense might actually be “5th” best in the NHL. Other than Malik’s blunders, they looked pretty good.

  60. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    Prucha, Mara, and Backman ALL had good games.

    Avery was invisible, agreed.

    Drury and Straka missed golden scoring chances…what happened to clutch? One-on-One with the goalie (late in the third or in the OT) about 15-18 feet from the crease…and Drury shoots into Biron’s chest. And now I can say this: “He does it again!”

  61. First thoughts after reading through the above:

    1) Backman continues to improve. Getting more confident out there. Not saying he is Brian Leetch or anything, but he continues to earn his next game, IMHO.

    2) Please, get rid of Hollweg. The guy does nothing out there. This really makes you appreciate Betts now, right? I mean I think with Betts out there, the 4th line gets at least 5 more shifts and the rest of the offense doesn’t feel overworked.

    3) Avery is not a centerman. He just doesn’t think enough on the ice. Yes he has good puck skills, is a fast skater, can hit people, but he is just not instictively a thinker out there and I believe that centers need to do this.

    4) Jags was vintage last night. Puck possession, using his big ass, muscling people, controlling the game. Too bad no one else played with urgency.

    5) Prucha did OK. He was involved. Did he get more than 2 shots on goal though? I thought he did OK with his chance.

    6) Hank did fine. Cannot blame him for the first goal. The second goal, well, not so sure. I def think Malik could have done more to stop Richards. But Malik didn’t play horribly. That Philly 1st goal was not Malik’s fault.

    7) Rosy has a groin tweak and is day-to-day. Gomer is probably doubtful for tomorrow and more like “probable” for Monday. Betts is a different story…my source shook his head when asked about Betts. He didn’t say much more. That means Betts either is disappointing the staff or he has something more serious than a little bunion problem (which is what some people claim.) I will try and get more on this.

    I will probably have more thoughts later, but I needed to vent a little bit this AM. We had our chances and could have really separated ourselves from Philly and pressed Ott and NJ. Have to wait-and-see now.

  62. Who Needs Lohan on

    My comments….

    1) If your one of these so called NYR fans that is going to trash everyone when they lose and praise praise praise everytime we win, well EFF U!!!!!

    2) Malik played a solid game and is getting better. I am almost comfortable with Backman, and I didnt think they missed Rozi from a defensive standpoint last night.

    3) Beer Me, I agree that you have to be able to play in close games often but at the same time you also have to have the mentality that you are going to win 4-1 or 3-0 not score a goal and then play like the ’95 Devils. I just feel(and you really cant deny this) that when they go up (especially up by 2) they play not to lose instead of staying aggressive offensively. I just wish that the NYR would dictate the play every game every period. That just doesnt happen (win or lose)

    4) PP. Better last night. You can see what they tried to do at least and that was fire the puck towards the net and see what happens. Less passing and more shots although ugly will eventually find the back of the net (I hope).

    5) Line combos. I just dont get why you change all 4 lines when you only have to change 2. There was no flow at all last night.

    6) Line changes in the third. Shifts are too short (probably the only good commentary of the night) and they did not take advantage of matchups. Again, just too defensive minded IMO.

    7) Avery. They guys always makes questionable cross ice and back passes. If you want to resign him fans then stick with that. Im sick of hearing the wavering back and forth.

    8) Dawes. Didnt even realize he was playing until his chance in the third.

    9) Dubi. Great game, tried his move around the left D again twice. ALmost worked.

    10) Jagr. Almost pisses me off when he plays like that. Just reinforces that he isnt playing as hard every night since he can turn it on when he wants

  63. “…if we simply sit our “top” defensive pair (Rozsival & Malik) – this defense might actually be “5th” best in the NHL.”

    I see where you’re going with the thought, and I’m not going to say that rozy & malik are ‘gods’. But it was WITH them in the lineup that the team rose to the ‘5th best’. So that really doesn’t make sense.

    “what happend to clutch”. You REALLY expect it every game?? Get ready to be highly dissapointed.

    Newman – agreed on Betts. They should’ve just said ‘lower body injury’ instead of ‘bunions’!! Although I know that bunions can take a while to recover from. My dad had both feet operated on once and was on the couch for 3 weeks. And he wasn’t an NHL’er so, you can assume we won’t see betts until late in the 1st round at best. Also agreed that we miss him for sure.

    And we all see that Avery is not fit to be a 2nd line center. Right?? So if the lines are changed again tomorrow, no one is going to cry about Renney changing it…again, right?? Though I see them staying the same. I believe that Avery will learn from 1 game full of mistakes.

  64. Newman and Beer had good posts to calm the panic. Totally agree on Hollweg. At least it was a point. The Flyers were more desperate and definitely out played us in the 3rd. Backman looks like he’s finding his place. When all are healthy, Malik has to sit (and pout). Prucha had alot of energy. I don’t know if he can keep it up. Time to move on and beat NJ tomorrow.

  65. Lohan, agreed. But to reference a team (’95 devils) that won the cup, is not a good call IMO. I’ll take it, wouldn’t you? But I know what you’re saying.

    I completely agree with your comment on Jags. Some captain huh?

  66. oh yeah, and the PxP guy A.H.L.’er (Ahler) sucked. But I’ll take that over Doc anyday, and twice on sunday.

  67. Avery and Malik lost this game. On the Flyers 1st goal where the hell was Malik going? Watch the replay, he was going behind the goal line to get the puck but there was a Flyer between the puck and the goal line. Did he really think that Briere was going to miss that pass? Had he been in position he would have been able to block the initial pass across the crease. unbelievable…..

  68. Who Needs Lohan on

    Beer Me, Im saying that we shouldnt think and play like we are the 95 devils cause we’re not. A team like that could score 1 goal and then go into lockdown mode and win. the ’08 NYR on the other hand can not! Its kinda like my theory on the “Prevent” defense. same thing. Furthermore, we arent exactly a team that takes advantage of another team pressing to score (sending in the D, etc.) cause we just dont have much of a transition offense. How many times have you seen us dump the puck with an odd man rush (or one potentially developing)

  69. Who Needs Lohan on

    Rob L. sorry bro your wrong. Yeah Briere was probably going to miss that puck. It was more of a shot in the zone, he did a great job stoppping it then passing it. You know, every goal is not someone’s fault. That was just a great play. The second one….yeah maybe if that was a faster Dman it would have made a difference. I hate to defend the guy but give me a break gentleman. Stop using Malik as your scapegoat, whipping boy. Ever since the lockerroom incident with Renney and the fight with Avery the guy has been better, much better. Yeah he will shy away from a hard hit and yeah he looks like he is skating with a piano on his back sometimes but the guy at least appears to be giving it his all as far as I can see. Defense is a team proposition, so quit using one guy to pile the crap on.

    Man am I gonna take some heat for this post…..

  70. Couldn’t agree with Beer more. The team loses a few games, and all of a sudden it’s “Renney sucks,” “Malik sucks,” “Power play sucks,” etc. Enough of that already. Everybody makes mistakes – and if they’re going to make these bone-headed plays now, they can get it out of their system before the post-season. And naysayers will say “Well, that’s even if they make the post-season” (see Larry Brooks’ article today). Let’s get serious folks – this team is making the playoffs. Will it take a few more games than we’d like? Maybe. But can we all just stop being SO DOWN on the team?!? If you are all true fans, post something constructive here so that we can discuss in a mature manner.

  71. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    Beer Me, my point was similar to what someone else said…defensively this team looked just as good, if not *BETTER* without Rozsival. The only blemish was Malik, who had a big part in allowing both goals, in turn losing the game. I’ve been a Malik supporter but I def ate some crow last night, very dissapointing.

    The point about Drury is you’ll only hear about his “clutch” goals. How about the chances he could’ve been clutch and flubbed it? Montreal shootout (when the Rangers let Mon comeback from losing 5-0) and last night. I’m just making a point that he scores his goals, some of them are big. It happens.

  72. Lohan…I hear what you are saying and I’m not trying to pin every loss on Malik but it does seem like he gets burned on plays like that more than most.

  73. Avery is a good player and I do want to resign him, but he is not a center and I don’t blame him for it, I blame Renney for putting him in this position.
    Dawes looked kind of lost precisely because of a new line combination.
    Backman was more than decent and yes, Malik was slow but you can hardly blame him for this; overall it does not make a sense to blame defence which allowed just one goal in 60 minutes; it was inability to score (for the above reasons) which costed us a point.

  74. When our power play did work for that little stretch in the middle of the season, what were we doing that worked?

  75. “Rob L. sorry bro your wrong. Yeah Briere was probably going to miss that puck. It was more of a shot in the zone, he did a great job stoppping it then passing it. You know, every goal is not someone’s fault. That was just a great play. The second one….yeah maybe if that was a faster Dman it would have made a difference. I hate to defend the guy but give me a break gentleman. Stop using Malik as your scapegoat, whipping boy. Ever since the lockerroom incident with Renney and the fight with Avery the guy has been better, much better. Yeah he will shy away from a hard hit and yeah he looks like he is skating with a piano on his back sometimes but the guy at least appears to be giving it his all as far as I can see. Defense is a team proposition, so quit using one guy to pile the crap on.

    Man am I gonna take some heat for this post…..”

    You will but you are right. If anything, if you are going to blame a player on that play, then blame Mara since he got beat in the corner. It was a really nice play by Philly and Malik had to choose between two guys to cover. He can’t be in two places at one time. I swear everyones expectations of him are getting ridiculous. You would think since people already think he sucks they would have less expectations of what he can do, but instead they want him to play like a god.

    And another thing, for all of the “bad” Malik apparently did last night, he did a lot of good in making some great passes to start up the rush. I can think of several occasions where he almost sent Avery or Shanny or someone else in on a breakaway or a two on one and the other guy lost the puck.

    Speaking of that, Shanny can’t do anything right now. I know hes 39 and is pretty beat up, but he can’t even catch a simple pass. He had ONE good shot and it was in the 3rd but other than that he was just waterskiing. It really looks like he needs a rest or something because I think he still has it, even if its not 100% what it used to be, but I think when somewhat healthy he can play.

    And to whoever said Dawes was not even visible, I think its because of the line he was with. When hes out there with Gomez, he gets passes from him and can make plays from there. Avery and Shanny couldn’t stickhandle if their life depended on it last night and really nobody on that line could get it going. I’m not saying they are awful, I’m just saying the combo didn’t work. It was worth a shot since I think when Avery is on his game and stickhandling well he could’ve set up Dawes or Shanny better, but it just wasn’t clicking so Dawes was ineffective since he didn’t have someone to skate the puck up and get it to him since thats what his game relies on. Hes not the fastest skater so he likes it when someone else can rush it up and find him in the offensive zone.

  76. Drury and Straka missed golden scoring chances…what happened to clutch? One-on-One with the goalie (late in the third or in the OT) about 15-18 feet from the crease…and Drury shoots into Biron’s chest. And now I can say this: “He does it again!”

    “what happend to clutch”. You REALLY expect it every game?? Get ready to be highly dissapointed.

    …..

    I expect quality scoring opportunities to be treated as such, especially at that point in the game. Drury, all year, has opted to take the shot into the goalies chest from 15-20 out rather than take an extra step and get in close for an increased threat. Sometimes theres a reason for it, but Drury has done this all year, and it’s just wrong. Even on breakaways, consistantly, throws away a huge scoring opportunity with a perfect shot right into the gut.\

    You get that opportunity late in the game, you’re $7M man, you have to take the puck to the net..theres just no debate there, I screamed when I saw that. That’s not about clutch, thats about confidence, and I don’t think Drury has it.

    Aside from that, what can be said that hasn’t been said before? I wasn’t really surprised by the loss. The team is not that good/not that bad…just another one of the mediocre Eastern team. There’s nothing that is going to separate us down the line from anyone else except soft coaching, soft defensemen, and a non-threatening power play.

    And Beer Me, you think we shouldn’t really worry about anyone besides NJD and OTT? What planet are you on guy?

    I’ll be real surprised if this team gets past th efirst round, regardless of who we draw. There is zero killer instinct. Zero thirst for winning. And it comes from the top.

  77. salty – Meant the regular season. Meant, just worry about catching them. Not what’s in the past. The 2 games vs the devils are the biggest 2 left.

    Also, don’t forget Drury is leading the team in goals & GWG’s, so don’t even try to knock that. He wasn’t brought here to lead the team in the goal dept, and he is. So how about a little f’n respect.

    Truefans – I knew what point you were trying to make. I was playing a bit of the devils advocate there. You shoulda said that we could have the ‘best’ team D if not for those 2. But it’s all good.

  78. To further my thought salty – We should be worried about EVERY opponent in the playoffs. To say otherwise would be foolish.

  79. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    Salty, I couldn’t agree with you more. I know a few guys making $7million who would score that goal 75% of the time. I also know 3 guys making $7million who won’t…Jagr, Drury, and Gomez. It is what it is.

    I think Gomez and Drury both bring their games to New York, and they’re both playing them right now. We can have the $7million debate all night, I just hate to see it squandered on two guys who’ll have 65-70 points every season of their careers.

    Jagr looked like he wanted to win, he worked harder than in recent efforts and he still didn’t have much to show for it (besides his goal, which is not all that “jagr-esque”). Shanahan and Malik are slow and playing them on a 4 on 4 was not the best coaching strategy.

    I am a Malik supporter, have been for awhile, but Malik was most at fault for the first GA and about half responsible (along with Avery) for the second GA.

  80. IMO it is so ridiculous that everyone thinks just because someone makes 7 million a year they should be superman. They are the same player they were when they were making less. Just because our organization has deep pockets and make stupid decisions does not mean the player is going to play better. Drury, Henry and others go out there and play thier best. The $$ does not change the way a person plays. The fans expect to much. You really think Drury says to himself not that I make 7 million he will try more, less and not try to score by shoting it in the goalies chest? Please stop talking about the dollars. It is a quick sport and shit happens.

    Yes there were some bad plays and turnovers. It is over with, we got a point and are only two points out of 4th. Yeah that sucks and we should all get uptight. It will all be fine in the end.

  81. oh btw, our fans were even worse last night or at least the ones by me. I was hoping that at least after 2 1/2 weeks of not being at MSG that things would be better. but wow the stupdity level seem to be at an all-time high. there were also a lot of fights, which was expected and most of which were funny as hell to watch. almost as funny as some rangers fans and flyers fans getting ready to kick this one guys ass because he was annoying everyone. it was about the only thing they could agree on. haha.

  82. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    Did anyone notice the shots at one point were 11 to 4 in favor of the Rangers? Did you notice the scoring chances at that point also?

    *4 to 3* in favor of the *Flyers*!

    Beer, that’s kinda why I get down on this defense also. They let up almost the fewest shots in the NHL – but man, when they do give up shots they’re breakaways, odd-man rushes against, or one-timers to guys in the slot. Last night, was a pretty good defensive game. Lundqvist was solid, not expected to be spectacular. But even so, the shots the Rangers defense allows were in good scoring territory…the kind of shots the Rangers offense rarely seem to get.

  83. Yeah, I agree that when $ is brought into the equation, it changes the whole conversation. I think $1mil is too much for a pro athlete to be paid personally.

    Lidstrom(the real one) makes $7mil but doesn’t have as many goals as Drury. Does that make him suck too? Different guys make different salaries b/c of what they bring to a team. Having pockets full of cash doesn’t mean that you should be potting goals. It weakens an argument IMO.

  84. “Salty, I couldn’t agree with you more. I know a few guys making $7million who would score that goal 75% of the time. I also know 3 guys making $7million who won’t…Jagr, Drury, and Gomez.”

    Jagr makes roughly 8 million and we only pay 4 of it. Also I think thats a pretty ridiculous statement because it sounds like you are saying he should score at will. I know what you mean, but if he didn’t release that then it was getting poked away. Or he could’ve passed it to Shanny…who probably would’ve missed the puck completely. haha. While I’ll agree he should’ve done better with that, there really wasn’t much more he could do if he waited a bit longer. He wasn’t coming in with a burst of speed so he just shot it hoping for a rebound for Shanny. If anything, I’d be pissed that he didn’t shoot it low far post so it bounced off Biron’s pads to Shanny. That would’ve been a better play than holding it for a closer shot since it probably would’ve been poked away.

  85. truefans – agreed with your last comment except for: “not expected to be spectacular”

    In a divisional game with 7 left, @ msg, you better be f’n spectacular if you want to win. And move up instead of down in the standings.

  86. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    Richard, thanks for your comment. If you read my post carefully (I hope you did), i’m criticizing Sather a heck of a lot more than I am criticizing Drury and Gomez. There’s a reason The sabres didn’t want to offer Drury and extension and why the Devils chose to cap Gomez at $5million. It’s dumb Sather that needed the best UFA’s on the market.

    I don’t knock those guys for playing hard and bringing their game…Drury’s done it since about the start of 2008 and Gomez has been the best Ranger forward since about November.

  87. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    Beer, the “not expected to be spectacular” was actually a reflection of the defense playing a pretty decent game and not giving up nearly as many quality chances (breakaways, odd-man rushes) as they normally do. I’d like Hank to save those two, but they were two pretty good plays where the Rangers defense did get beat…and it ended up in our net. I still think the defense was decent and helped Hank out otherwise.

  88. Yeah, that 1st goal was tough to swallow. But like someone said above somewhere, some goals are just the result of good plays. I gotcha.

  89. Not that this would really help us, but I wish that you would get 1 point for a loss in OT or shootout and 3 points for a win in OT or a shootout. They really need to look in to this for the future.

  90. TRUE, I was not really commenting to you directly it was just a general comment to the board. Just a lot of talk about $$ and how they should effect the way players produce. Many think they should have career years and find a special talent that was not there when they were making 3 million a year. They are pros and play their best. I do agree that pro athletes get paid to much.

  91. Hey Beer,
    Just reading thru AM posts here and I agree with you 7:13 post. I’m starting to wonder if some people posting here even watch the game…or do they get up and read in the paper what happened the night before…
    There is little or no hockey knowledge in some of the posts…

    I might take some heat but…
    Malik played a good game last night I don’t think either goal was his fault…
    the first goal Mara rushed the point, Malik was in position, but no forward dropped back. Briere left open.
    Second goal…terrible pass by Avery…
    BTW… I am a big Avery fan…but there is now way he is worth more that 3 mil. a year…

  92. longtimerangersfan on

    True fan: “Malik got scorched on 3 plays, two of which turned into goals. I blame him for them as much as I blame Renney for having Malik and Shanny (the team’s slowest two skaters) out there for 4 on 4. Overtime, I understand he has less of a choice and just rolls his defensman.”

    I agree and couldn’t understand why Renney puts Malik out on a 4 on 4 as slow as he is!!!!! We get burned in regulation with him out there and again in the O.T. UNBELIEVEABLE!!!!!

  93. Also, don’t forget Drury is leading the team in goals & GWG’s, so don’t even try to knock that. He wasn’t brought here to lead the team in the goal dept, and he is. So how about a little f’n respect.

    ……..

    Leading this team in anything pretty much means nothing to me this season. Scoring across our board is extremely low, i understand that you use numbers to your advantage rather than look at what is obvious and in front of your eyes, try to use deduction and reasoning skills for a moment. If you don’t think Drury has straight up *wasted* no less than 10 clear scoring opportunities this year…eh, no need to say anymore negative things. Drury needs to be better than “good”, that’s *all* there is to it. He’ll *never* be an Elite player, but he really needs to be better than he has been, while it hasn’t been bad, it has not been at all impressive. He leads with what 23 goals? Ohhhhhhhhh wow R.E.S.P.E.C.T! WTF is this Phoenix, AZ? Columbus Blue Jackets?

    No reason he shouldn’t have 35 goals this season. The wide open opportunites have *been there*. *No Reason.* Thats not asking for a superman by any stretch of the imagination, especially when you’ve seen the opportunites that he has squandered.

  94. I am a big Avery fan…but there is now way he is worth more that 3 mil. a year…

    …..no friggin way. $2.75M on his best night

  95. Hey Truefan, Longfan and other Malik bashers…are you the folks booing Malik whenever he touches the puck…?
    Once again I’m trying to figure out what you expect…
    Are the Rangers supposed to just roll over every team, with flawless execution…forwards banging home 5-6 goals a game and seeing huge defensive hits, great outlet passes and smothering d-zone coverage, and a shutout every game?

    We all get it…its the same stupid posts every freaking day… wait, wait I already did this post too look…

    Repost:
    Staal Wart March 24th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    “Ok so as usual the debate rages on about our Bad Defensive Core…which BTW ranks 5th in the league…thats right 5th.
    From what I can gather in the above posts…
    Rozi…sucks
    Malik…really sucks but when goals are scored he’s usu on the ice…
    Girardi and Tyuts…have “cutsie” plays which…suck
    Mara…not as bad as Malik or Rozi but still…sucks
    Backman…sucks of course
    and
    Staal…since he’s not mentioned…might not suck but probably does…suck…so…
    All the answers to our defensive problems lie either in Hartford or on other teams
    So who is good, who is available,and who can we afford, because as some of you have forgotten…there is a cap which makes the Defensive Dream Team in your mind, just that…a Dream…”

    Let me guess…we need Struds back right because if its Maliks fault, Backmans fault or whoever WE MUST GET STRUDS BACK!!!

  96. Salty – I always use #’s. If an arbitrator will use them to determine a players salary, there absolutely no reason they shouldn’t be used on a g-damn blog message board.

    “If you don’t think Drury has straight up wasted no less than 10 clear scoring opportunities this year…eh, no need to say anymore negative things.”

    There’s no doubt that he has. But it’s FAR fewer than the ones that every other player on the team has missed.

    And as far as what’s in front of my eyes… I see a guy that could captain more than 1/2 the teams in the league. I see our BEST 2-way player. I see a big part of the future of the team.

    If YOU’D open your eyes, and stopped looking for the negative in everything, you’d see it too.

  97. Are the Rangers supposed to just roll over every team, with flawless execution…forwards banging home 5-6 goals a game and seeing huge defensive hits, great outlet passes and smothering d-zone coverage, and a shutout every game?

    …….

    If someone asked you this in September 2007…. you’d agree it seemed like a distinct possibility. Keep being happy in mediocrity though… way to be. Enjoy your hot dogs and sodas and foam fingers and doctor suess hats while we watch this team tread water with a star studded roster and *loads* of young talent.

    And that reminds me: The biggest concern in regards to the D, that *everyone* is overlooking… is that we still don’t have a real seasoned veteran working with Marc Staal. That’s an absolute f*cking disgrace.

  98. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    Staal Wart, I’m actually a Malik supporter!!! I’m the first guy to tell people not to boo Malik because its not helping him and I don’t believe he’s been our worst defensman, certainly not in the last 1-2 months.

    HOWEVER, last night was a bad night. Avery makes a bad cross-ice pass and Malik is the last D back, it’s his job to stay with that guy. On the other play Mara pressured the man he was closest to (and because no other offensman immediately went out to cover). The puck cycles down low and although no one is covering for Mara (until Shanny shows up, when it’s in the net) Malik basically stares at two players ping-pong passes around him.

    I like Malik, but his lack of foot speed showed last night on plays that ended up in the Rangers net…happens. On another night, maybe Hank saves those (as the Brier slid under his right pad and the other tipped off his glove) and there’s nothing to talk about. But last night, Malik was either directly at fault or at least 50% involved with two goals against us. That’s a fact.

  99. Beer Me!,

    I know it can seem outrageous at first glance, but pro athletes simply generate more income for their companies that most people do. Why shouldn’t they be paid a million or their piece of the pie they bake?

    On a separate note, Jagr was covered, mostly, by a guy who was giving up a lot of inches and pounds. It’s not that Jagr doesn’t try hard every game — I just don’t believe effort is his problem (on O) — it’s that some defenders can handle him physically and some can’t. Unfortunately, because of the way the game has changed and because he’s gotten older, there are a lot more D-men that can stand up to him now than 15 years ago.

  100. It’s a cover up!!

    This futile Power Play is all just a cover-up so come playoff time there will be no video analysis for opponnets to use of how the Rangers PP actually works.. Right??

    They cannot be serious with these ridiculous PP numbers. What is it now? 1 for 30 something.

  101. There’s no doubt that he has. But it’s FAR fewer than the ones that every other player on the team has missed.

    Ehhhh, I’m not letting that slide. Name me one other player who has consistently wasted breakaways in such magnificent fashion as Drury?

    Such a hipocracy, you think I am *searching* for Drury to be bad or something while you and many others will search and shine and polish any possible statistic of his to make him out to be the 2nd coming of Christ. It’s f*cking embarrassing to listen to some of it. You are all going by what you’ve been told, what you’ve been *SOLD*. I understand what he’s good at, but I also recognize where he SUCKS and is EATING our cap. WE don’t need “Chris Drury, 2-way extraordinaire” right now, we need Chris Drury to put a focus on his offensive output, and put some authenticity into his game. If he’s worth a grain of his salt, he’d f*cking step up and realize that. Step out of his comfort zone and *GET* that puck on net.

  102. Doesn’t anyone here watch games or play? Every player in the league misses nets, has pucks bounce over their sticks, etc. It doesn’t matter what they get paid, it happens.

    How many slap shots completely miss the goal? Or how many times do you see a player turn to his forehand because his backhand sucks? And these guys are professionals.

    Ovechkin has 60 goals on 410 total shots, that leaves 350 misses (which incidentally compares to our leading shooter Shanahan at 237 total). Ovechkin must suck too based on the number of misses….

  103. Maybe we’ll get to the playoffs and it’ll be like Rocky when our PP simply changes hands and suddenly kicks ass. If that happens in Rocky. Maybe it was the Princess Bride.

  104. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    Chris F.,
    I’m pretty sure that story’s already been told and It’s called “19 and 1″ …err, the New York Giants!!!!!! Yea!

  105. I see a guy that could captain more than 1/2 the teams in the league.

    ….

    Please enlighten me. I’m serious. What have you seen *this season*. That makes you think Drury has the leadership, poise, voice, *on ice production* to Captain “most hockey teams in this league”? Stop thinking about other teams, other players. Stop thinking about what you’ve been sold on Chris Drury, and recognize that Colorado, Calgary, and Buffalo have all essentially said “see ya buddy”. At some point, a handful of “clutch goals” don’t make up for all the blown opportunities along the way, and $7M of burned up cap space. You’ve been fed hype. Chris Drury is a decent hockeyplayer at best. Last night was just another example. It sickens me to know he’s being groomed as our Captain largely because of something that happened in 2001.

  106. Since when did on ice production become the most important element of whether or not a guy should be captain? How many selfish, d-bags have scored tons of goals? You trying to say Kelly Kisio shouldn’t have been captain? Guy’s career high was what? 24 goals?

  107. “..is that we still don’t have a real seasoned veteran working with Marc Staal. That’s an absolute f*cking disgrace.”

    I like that, and it’s pretty accurate.

    “Name me one other player who has consistently wasted breakaways in such magnificent fashion as Drury?”

    MARTIN STRAKA. But straka looks for his buddy Jags to pass to.

    And you want to talk about ‘hipocracy’??? At this point Salty, anything you say that is the least bit positive is hypocritical. You’ve bashed everything about the organization from top to bottom this year. Everytime, losing credibility in my book. Not that my book means crap, b/c it doesn’t. But that’s something that you don’t realize.

  108. Thanks Chris F.

    Salty – you don’t like him, I get it. You think he’s overpaid. Me too. I think more than 1/2 of our players are overpaid. I think that MORE than half of the players that have worn a Ranger sweater of the last 20 years have been overpaid. And guess what??? YOU CAN’T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. GET OVER IT.

  109. Who Needs Lohan on

    Few things…

    Malik haters today, you can say he is slow and should have done a better job on the OT goal. Sure. He probably shouldnt play 4 on 4 in the first place, agreed. But the regulation goal was 100% NOT HIS FAULT. In no way, shape or form was he responsible. Any play that any Dman would have made on that play would have just been a lucky reaction. So STOP!

    On the Drury/overpaid front. Come on guys. You are like the guy at work that worries about what the guy next to you is doing. He is making the money he is making because all of us and others watch the games/buy the jerseys/go to the games/buy the MSG beer. Each player has a right to the pie (like someone eluded to before) and its up to the GM to judge who makes what for the most part. So why judge on numbers alone. Its about effort in my book. He plays hard so you will never hear me complain about his salary and I would never say why didnt he score there? He makes 7 million yada yada yada.

    Moral of the story…. SHUT UP and lets get ready for playoff time!!

  110. Apparently the word is that nobody in Hartford right now can be called up because “they’re not ready.” Aren’t they supposed to be preparing those guys for the NHL? What have they been doing all year long?

  111. Cliff – I still stand by my assessment that goes back to Ranger fans being deprived of young talent for so long that as soon as we have a little bit, we think they’re all Crosby. They’re just not as good as some make it out to be. It could take 100 players to come through to really find 3 or 4 that are actually NHL caliber.

    chris F – I was saying thanks re: the ‘kelly kisio’ comment, and that was the 1st name that came to mind also. But also, I DO like your comment above re: being ‘entitled to their pie’ or whatever it was. I’d rather see a neurosurgeon or cardiologist making $25+ mil/year opposed to a pro athlete.

  112. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    Lohan, I understand your point and I kinda see it. You could argue any defensman there was destined to fail 95% of the time, and that might be fair.

    My problem is that Malik stands between the two players but then starts to commit to Briere, who passes it the center (Richards?) at which point Malik gets confused and almost stops…when Briere gets the pass back for the open shot. Pick the pass, pick the shot…pick one of them. He commit half-way on both and got burned. I would just like to see him play it a little smarter next time, but I *completely* understand your point.

  113. The reason “no is ready to be called up” is probably twofold. 1.) There are a handful of games left and unless Gomez or Betts is out for the remainder of the season/playoffs, they’re not going to play come playoff time. 2.) You’re the coaches – you have Staal, Dawes, Callahan, Dubinsky as rookie projects. Do you really want to add another when you can just plug in Prucha, Holleweg, Strudwick who know the system and have played with the other players before?

  114. JJP – I totally see your point (#2). But the only place I would plug Hollweg would be on a f’n Greyhound bus. To anywhwere.

  115. Salty
    I read your posts and am usually amused by your outlandish viewpoints but your Chris Drury Bashing takes the cake. It’s clear you lack a solid understanding of the intangibles of the sport of hockey. Chris Drury does all the little things that never wind up in the box score that the likes of Brendan Shanahan and J. Jagr never do, no matter how many goals they score. To have a solid dependable two way player who brings calm and an even kieled approach is worth 7 million. He is not going to rack up big points but he steps up in the big moment. Otherwise he is just his super dependable self, breaking up big plays and blocking shots. And playing on a line with 2 young small guys in Prucha and Callahan surely will not help put the puck in the net. But I am sure if you counted all the goals he prevents with great defensive plays that would correlate into a 100 point season.

  116. Who Needs Lohan on

    “I read your posts and am usually amused by your outlandish viewpoints but your Chris Drury Bashing takes the cake. It’s clear you lack a solid understanding of the intangibles of the sport of hockey. Chris Drury does all the little things that never wind up in the box score that the likes of Brendan Shanahan and J. Jagr never do, no matter how many goals they score. To have a solid dependable two way player who brings calm and an even kieled approach is worth 7 million. He is not going to rack up big points but he steps up in the big moment. Otherwise he is just his super dependable self, breaking up big plays and blocking shots. And playing on a line with 2 young small guys in Prucha and Callahan surely will not help put the puck in the net. But I am sure if you counted all the goals he prevents with great defensive plays that would correlate into a 100 point season.”

    Two words…..A-MEN!

  117. Beer Me! – Agreed on Holleweg. I like the guys effort but he doesn’t add anything on the ice although he’s not a bad skater. He does run the drills in practice and is always second on the ice when he plays, maybe thats worth $400k.

  118. JJP – But you’d have to believe that there’s others out there that can play just a bit of a better game. At least I hope so. And if not, it just shows the thin talent pool to fill the now-30 nhl teams. He’s another one of the ‘lockerroom guys’ that are certainly necessary, but you just hope they can contribute a bit more. Not just with points, but more than just letting the other lines catch a breather between shifts. If he could fight…different story. I don’t ‘hate’ Hollweg, I don’t know him, but I know that we can add a better player to the roster.

    When he played that ‘on-edge’ game it was great when he wasn’t getting 5min boarding majors, or suspensions. But without that hitting game, he brings that much less.

  119. I can’t believe some of the bs malik defending here. he is on the FIRST D pair. that means he better do more than just act like a pylon and give up 2 goals a game.

    guys who are now defending him just out of reflex can kiss my malik, because if he is brought back again with a new contract, it is YOUR effin fault, as “fans” who the mgmt can point to as why they re-signed the big dumb oaf to eff up another couple seasons here.

    they monitor fan reaction, and you are tools for sather

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