Rangers trade Marcel Hossa and Al Montoya to Phoenix (Updated)

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…and get forwards Fredrik Sjostrom and Josh Gratton, and goaltender David Leneveu in return.

The big one here in my book is the loss of Montoya, but hardly a surprise.

Some stats: Sjostrom has 10 goals and nine assists in 51 games this season, although he did have a hat trick in October against Nashville. Gratton has played in one game in the NHL this season, and LeNeveu hasn’t played there at all in 2007-08. He did go to Cornell, however, so he and Hugh Jessiman can relive Ivy League memories together.

I would assume LeNeveu is going directly to Hartford. Gratton, who has a reputation as a fighter, might stick around depending on Colton Orr’s injury, but I would assume he’s headed there as well.

I don’t know where Sjostrom fits in, although he’ll certainly be in the NHL. The question is if he can fulfill a checking role, because then he becomes more useful.
I’ll have more later. Rumor has it we’re going to talk to Glen Sather in the next couple of hours.

More as I go…

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  1. According to Spector: THE PHOENIX COYOTES TRADED WINGER FREDRIK SJOSTROM, GOALIE DAVID LENEVEU AND WINGER JOSH GRATTON TO THE NY RANGERS FOR GOALIE AL MONTOYA AND FORWARD MARCEL HOSSA.

    Don’t like this trade. Makes no sense.

  2. “With Hossa gone, can we now turn to Hollweg as the most useless forward?”

    I’m pretty sure he was the most useless forward even when we had Hossa here. He’ll keep that role no problem. Now I can get my Hossa Yotes jersey. Oh and Sjostrom is pretty good. I’m kinda happy about the deal even though I’m Marcel Hossa’s only fan. haha.

  3. sjostrom is ok. And I’m glad we got something for those two.

    look at it this way. with cally, prucha, dawes…you kinda had to deal one of them or hossa. hollweg has no value. not even to us. or his band

  4. Anyone have contract numbers on the Coyotes players, and does Leneveu go to Hartford or is Valli screwed?

  5. wow more marcel fans than expected so far. haha. I would’ve rather seen us do nothing, but I guess its good we got rid of Monty now?

  6. If this is all Al Montoyas worth at this point thats sad. But remember Mika Wiikaman has passed him down in Hartford.

  7. I’m not happy with this trade. I like getting Sjostrom, but I think Montoya is worth a lot more than Gratton and LeNeveau

  8. Let’s just hope Al Montoya turns into a zero.

    Did this club improve today or just move parts around? Pitt seems improved.

  9. This makes sense. Downgraded at Goalie, upgraded wing. Sjostrom is a good player. Montoya was losing value every day, and was never going to be our back-up because of his salary…

    Still seems like we have one too many players on the roster…

  10. im not sure why everyone hates this deal so much. think about it for a second, Montoya has played for two seasons, played well for most of last season, but has fallen behind wiikman this season, not to mention we just signed henrik for 6 years, so he wasnt going to start with us anytime soon. Sjostrom was a first round pick just like montoya, hes got ten goals this season, maybe he can score a little more than hossa did (which isnt too hard). As mentioned earlier, Benoit Allaire has worked with LeNeveu and if he can work his magic like most goalies say he does, this might not be too bad.

  11. montoya would have fetched a lot over last summer… too bad Sather was a hog and held on to him

  12. Frederick Sjostrom has a two year $1.5 million deal, the other two I have no idea but they have been going back and forth from the NHL to the AHL so they can’t have big contracts.

  13. Hope you’re joking Chris. Pittsburgh coughed up a HUGE part of their future for a guy they have like a 5% chance of re-signing past this season, at best. Rental players never work.

  14. I knew Maloney was going to end up with Montoya…can’t make a judgement just yet these new guys cuz i haven’t heard of them…

  15. Who has the color on Sjostrom and Gratton? From what I remember, Sjostrom is a decent player?

  16. you guys are all making like montoya was the best thing since sliced bread… we have a number 1 goaltender already. what did anyone think sather was going to get for montoya. im sure he will be a great goalie but he also has no nhl experience and he was not going to get any with the rangers.

  17. go back to the Edm days and look at all the horrible #1 picks by sather. he has a long history of bad picks.

    he got Gretz (Indy Racers) and Mess (cincinati stingers) from 2 folding cash strapped teams in the WHA

  18. Yeah I agree Ross what is so bad the trade. I await to see responses from Doodie, Nasty1, Salty and Beer Me!

  19. Didn’t Gratton get his butt kicked by ray emery?

    And all you guys who hated Hossa all season are now crying? What is the deal with that? Or, is everyone pissed off at Montoya who’s value was on the decline since the day he was drafted and didn’t get moved this past offseason?

    You guys are so inconsistent. Hate Hossa, love Hossa, Montoya sucks, Montoya should not have been traded.

  20. Sjostrom has never scored more than 12 goals which is pretty bad for someone draft 11th overall. gratton is a fighter who is slow. I have to believe Montoya was worth more than that or would be in the future. basically we got a minor league goalie and two fourth liners and a defenseman who doesnt hit and is injured

  21. I love all the comments saying “Bad Trade.”

    Right. You guys wanna tell me when Monty was ever getting any playing time with us?

    Lemme get this straight… let him languish as a 2nd string goalie in the AHL instead of at least getting something in return for him.

    Okay, got it.

  22. guys, dont count leneveu as a downgrade necessarily. i watched him play when he was at cornell, and hes a top-notch goalie. montoya was never going to play for the rangers and he has shown himself to be a bit injury prone and inconsistent. ive been following lenny since he left cornell, and gretzky was a huge fan of his. besides, we are getting upset because we traded away a goalie who had no change of being a starter for us and whose stock has been consistently declining to the point that he isnt even the starter for our AHL team…

  23. Sjostrom is a good add. It might take some time, but he’ll be a real gem maybe starting next year.

  24. Doodie Machetto on

    Hossa will not be signed by the Pens, so I’m glad they traded for him. Even if they win the cup, they will be worse over the next 5 years than they are this year as a result.

    Rangers fans should be VERY happy with this move.

  25. I would have rather got a 2nd round pick for montoya and hossa than any of those players. Sjostrom could be decent, but how many wingers do we need that can score 10-15 goals a year. No reason that Jessiman or Byers or Moore cant do what Sjostrom can

  26. Fredrik Sjostrom #20 RW/LW
    DOB: Fri, May 06, 1983
    Age: 24
    Place of Birth: Fargelanda, Sweden
    HT: 6-1 WT: 217
    Shoots: L
    NHL Seasons: 3
    Drafted by Phoenix in 2001 (1/11).

    Assets: Has a terrific combination of speed, skill and defensive instincts. Is willing to take a hit in order to make a play.

    Flaws: Needs to make better adjustments to the North American game. Is a bit undersized by NHL standards.

    Career potential: Top six winger.

    David LeNeveu #30 G
    DOB:May 23, 1983
    Age:24
    Place of Birth: Fernie, B.C., Canada
    HT: 6-1 WT: 187
    Shoots: L
    NHL Seasons: 2
    Drafted by Phoenix in 2002 (2/46).

    “Possesses strong skating ability with good balance, quickness and athleticism…has very quick lateral movement and uses a controlled butterfly style…has a fast glove hand…plays a sound positional game, effectively staying square to the shooter…is very alert and aware of what is happening around him…effectively uses the paddle-down technique in scramble situations…effectively sets up for the defensemen to breakout…has good overall instincts…plays with a lot of intensity with a confident attitude…is a strong individual who effectively holds his ground when forwards crash the net…refuses to get intimidated.” (Central Scouting Bureau, 2002)

    “The sophomore goalie from Cornell is beating a path to pro hockey quicker than he knows it. LeNeveu got off to a great start in college and his confidence soared when he was named to Canada’s roster for the World Junior Championship, where he was somewhat spotty in two appearances. The scouting reports have been excellent on LeNeveu and the Coyotes are thrilled with his game preparation and commitment to fitness.” (Bob McManaman, The Hockey News Future Watch 2003, p. 32)

    Incidentally, NYR goalie coach Benoit Allaire has worked extensively with him.

    Josh Gratton #24 LW
    DOB:Sep 09, 1982
    Age:25
    Place of Birth: Brantford, Ont., Canada
    HT: 6-2 WT: 214
    Shoots: L
    NHL Seasons: 2
    Signed by Philadelphia in 2004.

    Assets: Is big, strong and as tough as nails. Can drop the gloves against the very best enforcers in the NHL. Understands his role and is a good teammate.

    Flaws: Doesn’t have the speed or skill required to play a regular shift at the highest level. Has a tendency to get into penalty trouble from time to time.

    Career potential: Fourth line enforcer.

  27. Yeah, I think we can all be honest that Al Montoya was never going to make it as a Ranger. I don’t know why, but he’s always struck me as a cross between Blackburn and Jessiman in terms of his future. I’d hoped for better, but…

    Xias, if it’s really a rental, it’s not worth it. But I assume they must have some thoughts on how they can sign him. If not, then you’re dead on. They let go of some good talent.

    Good luck to Hossa. I don’t think he got credit for the effort he put into trying to fit the roles he was asked to fill. But I don’t mind seeing him go.

    Now if Hollywood could just sit down for good.

  28. fans think that montoya would bring back some great bounty, but why? he’s injury prone. he hasn’t been very good. and everyone knows that rangers had to deal him. rangers are building a nice core here. they remind me of buffalo the past few years. dubinsky, dawes, cally, avery and perhaps sjostrom can all score 20 goals. add gomez, drury, jags and straka and you can roll, at the least, three decent lines.

  29. I think someone mentioned that the Rangers needed a 5th or 6th defensemen, and a better fourth liner. I don’t remember who, though.

  30. Doodie Machetto on

    The reason why I’m upset is because it implies another wasted high first round draft pick. Montoya should have been showcased last season and dealt in the summer. Even if he couldn’t hack it during the showcasing, what would we have lost out on? That shitty return? No harm there as far as I’m concerned. But what could have been gained? A lot. In other words, a blunder by Slats.

  31. “Congrats Sather, you completely wasted Montoya…

    WTF kind of trade is that?”

    What did you think he was gonna get? an all-star forward? Monty’s stock dropped a lot. We coulda got a bit more, but not as much as we could’ve a year ago.

  32. “There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.” —President George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002

  33. I really don’t see this trade as anything major. Dumped crap and got crap in return…whats the big deal!

    I do find it absolutely freaking hilarious that the Wild took Simon…Just Freaking HILARIOUS!!!
    I wouldn’t give a pair of dirty socks for that bastard!

  34. ever think we got Sjostrom besides his possible skills but for his swedishness? maybe the team felt Henrik needed someone to keep him in good mental health?

  35. The guys on sportsnet.ca think the rangers got a good deal. They all were down on montoya while they like the players the rangers got, good winger who can score some and kill penalties and got a tough guy in graton and the goalie has potential like montoya according to the analyst.

  36. and for any idiots who think that ESPN should be part of the NHL package—

    I just turned to ESPN news to see their coverage, and there isn’t any. their headline is “Yao ming misses rest of season”

    what a piece of shit network

  37. omg he was never getting playing time to even show that he is a good goalie. maybe someone like gratton will come here and shake things up

  38. Im just sick of getting back other teams failed first round picks…id rather see jessiman get a chance even if he fails before guys like hossa, ward, bourrett and now Sjostrom play for us.

  39. Exactly. I’d loved to have seen Monty up here, but his stock was in the s–tter. The fact we got THIS MUCH for him is pretty damn good.

  40. Anyone who doesn’t like this trade is nuts. A backup AHL goalie and a winger who can’t crack the lineup for 2 good prospects and Sjostrom? You have to make that deal.

    You guys really think Monty is worth anything? He’s isn’t good, and he has no NHL experience. Biron managed to fetch a 2nd rounder and he had over 100 NHL games under his belt.

    Some people need a reality check.

  41. i forgot about prucha.

    but apparently he can only score 20 goals if he plays on the PP. I like the team. It would have been idiotic for them to give up a 1st rounder for an older defenseman. (Then again, with Sather’s recent track record, maybe the 1st rounder isn’t that important.)

  42. Not that I necessarily disagree with this:

    “fans think that montoya would bring back some great bounty, but why? he’s injury prone. he hasn’t been very good. and everyone knows that rangers had to deal him. rangers are building a nice core here. they remind me of buffalo the past few years. dubinsky, dawes, cally, avery and perhaps sjostrom can all score 20 goals. add gomez, drury, jags and straka and you can roll, at the least, three decent lines.”

    But…keep in mind that saying that those guys could core 20 a piece is basically like saying they could be like Shanny, Gomer and Drury up until now. We haven’t had a lot of guys reach 20 this year…

  43. “I would have rather got a 2nd round pick for montoya and hossa than any of those players. Sjostrom could be decent, but how many wingers do we need that can score 10-15 goals a year. No reason that Jessiman or Byers or Moore cant do what Sjostrom can”

    Thats a joke right? He played in Phoenix so of course hes not gonna have great numbers. And I think its been established that Jessiman has no potential to score anything in the NHL. Byers might be able to get 10 and Moore maybe, but Sjostrom is at least proven that he can get 10-12 in the NHL. I think he’ll increase that if given the chance. haha watch Hossa and Monty light it up now.

  44. “Anyone who doesn’t like this trade is nuts. A backup AHL goalie and a winger who can’t crack the lineup for 2 good prospects and Sjostrom? You have to make that deal.”

    To defend Hossa, he couldn’t crack the lineup because he was hurt and Renney has a crush on the HBO line. Hollweg sucks and should’ve sat for most of the season if Hossa was healthy.

  45. Huge roll of the dice by Pittsburgh. Atlanta completely retooled and made up for all the bad trades it made last Feb.

  46. i dont think we got 2 good prospects in this deal. this is just two teams exchanging players who havent performed like they were supposed to hoping a change of scenery will help. I am glad we didnt give anything up, but now we just have two more mediocre wings under contract and a soft big defenseman…will be hard for guys like byers, sauer, moore etc to make the team next year.

  47. Serious question, how many of you have actually seen Sjostrom play? He’s pretty good. I watch the Coyotes a lot and he’s got a decent amount of skill. So don’t think hes like a 1st round bust immediately because his numbers aren’t amazing. He’s still young and he shows flashes of being a very good hockey player. He just has to do it more consistently.

  48. atleast we can watch Montoya play for phoenix i think the trade is fine. if anyone thinks they can do better give up blogging and try and get a job in the nhl

  49. I don’t ever remember seeing Jessiman play a game let alone 80 each for three plus seasons to prove he can’t score 10 goals

  50. Doodie Machetto on

    If you don’t think the Ducks are the Hands down favorites to win the cup, you must be crazy.

    Goaltending: Giguere (Conn Smythe winner, AS A LOSER)

    Defense: Pronger, Niedermayer, Schneider, Beauchemin, Bergeron, O’Donnell, and Huskins. RIDICULOUS.

    Forwards (their only weakness): Getzlaf, Perry, Sellanne, Kunitz, Weight, and Bertuzzi. Kind of weak, but still, with that much firepower on defense and in goal, you don’t need to score that many.

  51. This trade is about as perfect for the Rangers as possible. The give: Their fourth goaltender and their oldest winger #10-14, and a fourth round pick.

    They get: a much better winger #10-14, a bruiser, and a new fourth goaltender and have upgraded their top six defensmen.

  52. Mike D

    I agree. but dawes has only played part of the season. cally was hurt. dubinsky has only gotten started recently.

    of course. one of those guys will overachieve and another will underacheive and someone will come out of nowhere and be a good player. the thing is, they have a lot of parts now, instead of a couple of stars.

    the one glaring weakness i think is another PP point-man to play with Rozy. though, i thought mara was somewhat underutilized. he’s got a big shot.

  53. joejoe315
    February 26th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
    theres a reason why there running the team and we are all talking on blogs.

    ……..

    I loathe you with the fire of a thousand suns.

    Theres also a reason this team missed the playoffs almost 10 years in a row and hasn’t a shot at sniffing the cup anytime soon.

    go burn.

  54. Can someone tell me where these guys might fit on our lines? Actually what are our line combinations right now? I am not certain.

  55. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    Josh Gratton looks like a bigger sean avery type kind of aquisition – trying to stir up the team a little bit. I wish the Rangers would’ve actually gotten Carcillo from the Coyot’s … his profile:

    “Assets: Could become the next Sean Avery. Has shift-disturbing qualities and the ability to drop the gloves against anyone. Is a solid hitter, as well.”

    “Flaws: Could become the next Sean Avery.”

    haha

  56. the goal was to get a depth dman to replace Strudwick and a depth winger to replace Hollweg.

    in backman and sjostrom that was done. it’s a slight improvement, more depth, that’s all

  57. Joe, ESPN is spitting in the NHL’s and Buttman’s face for going with VS.

    The questions: Now we have Orr and Gratton? What good is that, unless Orr’s injury is more serious than let on? Next, where do you play Sjostrom? Dawes has better numbers than him this season. Does he really replace Hollweg or Orr? Is Sjostrom a better player than Prucha?

    At the end of the day, we dumped Montoya. Not sure what I see in giving up Hossa though to be quite honest. Unless Sjostrom or Gratton crack the lineup and make an impact, this trade was a push.

  58. so its sathers fault that everyone that comes to NY doesnt play well. its sathers fault jagr is having a bad year. its sathers fauly henrick lets goals in from the side of the net. He went out last summer and picked up the top 2 free agents and where did that get us. what else do u want.

  59. i dont think any of these guys actually crack the lineup other than sjostrom. if anything he just moves into hossa’s spot: 3rd/4th line fill in

  60. Poopie is now a Ducks fan. I knew you were a Benedict Arnold. Been questioning your here today, gone tomorrow commentary all along….

  61. look Sjostrom could end up being a fine player, but I am more just upset with our picks either failing or never getting a chance to show anything even if it is a showcase scenario. What must it feel like to be a young player in hartford knowing that you will probably never get a great chance with the rangers. I only bring up Jessiman because as bad as he may be as a pro player he was never given a chance to play but instead guys like ward, hossa, hollweig and dupuis etc are put on our team. So now by getting Sjostrom this like means that byers or moore is gonna get screwed over. Now if you were to tell me Sjostrom would be on the fourth and hollweig is cut i would say fine, but we know thats not the case.

    And now what do you do with Prucha, Cally and Dawes?

  62. Avery, Dubinsky, Jagr
    Dawes, Gomez, Shanahan
    Straka, Drury, Callahan
    Sjorstrom, Betts, Prucha

    Now, before you take my head off, Prucha is an ENERGY forward. If you want, put Callahan there. Or Dawes. It doesn’t matter at all. This team has interchangeable younge wings who have yet to differentiate themselves this season.

    Malik and Rozsival
    Tyutin and Girardi
    Stall and Mara (Backstrom until then)

    Backstrom > Strudwick.

    Sjorstrom and any of our younge wingers > Orr and Hollweg.

    OR: the cadre of younge wingers is Esurence against old age and weak wrists.

  63. Heres the thing..with Sjostrom…is Renney really going to break up the HBO line..to the SBO line? Honestly?

  64. onecupin67years on

    Crap deal for NY, a NO Brainer for maloney in pheonix,I think he knows more than Sather in the deal.So the rest of the team is a winner ?

  65. Monty has been underperforming of late, but he still was the sixth overall draft pick in 2004. Include Hossa, who I loathe but admittedly has his moments for got one player who barely belongs in the NHL in Sjostrom and two AHL players. Yeah, I would say we lost this one folks.

  66. “Congrats Sather, you completely wasted Montoya…

    WTF kind of trade is that?”

    What did you think he was gonna get? an all-star forward? Monty’s stock dropped a lot. We coulda got a bit more, but not as much as we could’ve a year ago.

    @ Johnny D – it was more a comment of wasting away Montoya’s value over the years. I realize his stock has dropped due to all the time spent in the AHL and injuries. But the fact is that we just turned one of the former, highest-regarded goalie prospects in the world into the second coming on Colton Orr and a former 1st round pick, who acutally has already played in the NHL, but has done nothing impressive…

  67. so its sathers fault that everyone that comes to NY doesnt play well. its sathers fault jagr is having a bad year. its sathers fauly henrick lets goals in from the side of the net. He went out last summer and picked up the top 2 free agents and where did that get us. what else do u want.

    ……….

    you to admit you are a complete fool. you are SATHERS SINGLE FAN on this site and in the rangers fanbase.

  68. f-champ:

    In my opinion from the start, we didn’t need any major additions…what we needed is subtractions. Hossa is a perfect example–I like him and I think he is extremely skilled–I also think he will do very well in Phoeniz where he can consistently play on at least a second line.

    He just didn’t fit in with us…we had no room.

    And for everyone who thinks Hollweg is useless, I respectfully disagree. In the 1994 analogy, he is the Nick Kypreos of the group, except he can hit a lot better and fight a lot worse.

    You can’t have a winning team that hasn’t got a solid physical presence, even if means sarcrificing a scoring touch. This isn’t the Russian junior league, this is the NHL.

    As far as letting Montoya go, so be it. We didn’t have any use for him and right now, he would have to get Wiikman’s job, THEN get Valiquette’s job, and that’s just to warm the bench for Lundy. Besides, Valiquette has at least 2 shoutouts this season. Name another backup who can do that and costs what Vally does.

    I’m all ears. Let the harangues come!

  69. Doodie Machetto on

    Steve, our current line combos (not counting the trades):

    Avery-Dubinsky-Jagr
    Dawes-Gomez-Shanahan
    Straka-Drury-Callahan
    Hollweg-Betts-Orr

    Hossa played the last game in Hollweg’s spot.

    Now we have Prucha and Sjostrom without spots in the current lineup.

    With Mara out, you have to figure the D-pairings will put Malik and Backman together. Yuck.

  70. rgr3 – “it’s a slight improvement, more depth, that’s all”

    Agreed.

    There’s not a whole lot to add that hasn’t been said. You had to get something for monty. I think Doodie said it that slats missed his chance. I’m in complete agreement on that.

    As for Hossa…. A dime a dozen in the NHL.

    At best, we added depth. At worst, it’s a push.

  71. that betts line is a CHECKING line, get it, no way would renney put prucha on a checking line because he is not a good defensive forward.period

  72. look at the bright side, at least the players won’t have to listen to hossa’s techno anymore…

  73. Doodie Machetto on

    “he is the Nick Kypreos of the group, except he can hit a lot better and fight a lot worse.”

    Let’s see, a guy who fights better but hits worse than Hollweg. You mean… Colton Orr? Hollweg is useless. I’d like see Sjostrom or Gratton take his spot immediately.

  74. Do montoya and Hossa start for the coyotes or are they back up and minor league bound?

    I really dont mind this trade. Sjostrom I would think be filling in the fourth line (for now) as of now for Orr until he gets well and then possibly even getting Hollwegs spot for a few games depending, and Struds will be filling in for MAra full time til he gets back.
    The other two, direct to HArtford.

    Listen, our core is still set. I was a Hossa fan but he sucked ass this year and MOntoya, as everyone has said, dropped in abiity, price for a trade and overall was never going to get a start in front of vally and Hank.

    I like where we are at, and may I say the team as a whole, whose been up and down all year, are still together and fighitng, which should give some confidence to each other goign down the final 18 games.

  75. I MEAN ALL OUR LIVES WE’VE BEEN PICKED ON AND STEPPED ON AND MADE TO FEEL INFERIOR AND TONIGHT THOSE BASTARDS, THEY TRASHED OUR HOUSE. WHY? BECAUSE WE’RE SMART?

  76. Doodie

    Looking at it, I like the top 3 lines they way they are right now. I can only hope that we no longer have a need for Orr and Hollweg. Sjostrom and Prucha would be perfect on the 4th line or maybe switch out Prucha with Callahan. I cant see any reason why Orr or Hollweg should ever see the ice again as New York Rangers.

  77. Doodie Machetto on

    Beer, you’re right. At worst, a push. But the thing is, it is a sign of what could have been. Think of what we could have gotten for Montoya if things had been handled better. It’s just the sign of Sather’s incompetance that we ended up getting so little for a player who had so much promise.

  78. As far as letting Montoya go, so be it. We didn’t have any use for him and right now, he would have to get Wiikman’s job, THEN get Valiquette’s job, and that’s just to warm the bench for Lundy. Besides, Valiquette has at least 2 shoutouts this season. Name another backup who can do that and costs what Vally does.

    ……..

    You’re missing the point. We should have/could have gotten much more for Montoya.

  79. Doodie Machetto on

    I’m not watching it because I can’t at work, but also because of how ridiculous it is, but on TSN, they have a video John Ferguson Jr. and Mike Milbury rating the trades from today. Those two guys are two of the worst GMs in modern hockey.

  80. Its mind boggling that some people think this was a terrible trade. We dont even know what Montoya had to offer. He was stinkin up the joint down in Hartford, and realistically speaking, what SHOULD we have gotten for him? Goalies arent really a hot comodity when it comes to being traded, let alone goalies that dont have one game of NHL experience. Some of you just need to relax and be happy we didnt get rid of any of our youthful core of offensive and defensive talent.

  81. “And for everyone who thinks Hollweg is useless, I respectfully disagree. In the 1994 analogy, he is the Nick Kypreos of the group, except he can hit a lot better and fight a lot worse.”

    Kypreos didn’t take stupid penalties that almost blew his team games though. Thats the only problem I have with Hollweg. I understand hes not gonna score goals and be an offensive threat, I’m fine with that. Its the fact that he actually takes away from the team when he takes raelly selfish and dangerous penalties that I don’t like him.

    And you guys really need to give Sjostrom a chance. He better be in our lineup because its a joke if he is benched over Hollweg/Orr. I still ask how many of you have seen him play this year? I’m betting most of you haven’t or else you wouldn’t be thinking hes just a 4th line scrub.

  82. Doodie:

    “he is the Nick Kypreos of the group, except he can hit a lot better and fight a lot worse.”

    Let’s see, a guy who fights better but hits worse than Hollweg. You mean… Colton Orr? Hollweg is useless. I’d like see Sjostrom or Gratton take his spot immediately.

    ————–

    a) I think Colton Orr is a much better fighter than Gratton.

    b) I think Hollweg is a much better hitter than Orr. He is also dirtier.

    c) I don’t think Sjostrom will be on the 4th line (a gut feeling).

  83. …not mention. Dont we have a guy named Lundvist who was just signed to a 6-year deal? Montoya may have been in the Rangers plans, but Hanky came along and changed all of that. It was only a matter of time.

  84. THE ONLY WAY TO TRULY SEE THE USE OF THIS TRADE IS TO MAKE SOME CHANGE ON MY NHL08 GAME FOR XBOX 360 AND TEST IT OUT AGAINST THE DEVILS, IF WE WIN ITS GOOD. IF WE LOSE IT NOT.
    THE END

  85. Doodie "I'm agreeing with Salty on the Al Montoya trade" Machetto on

    I agree with Salty on the Al Montoya trade.

  86. SALTY:

    As far as letting Montoya go, so be it. We didn’t have any use for him and right now, he would have to get Wiikman’s job, THEN get Valiquette’s job, and that’s just to warm the bench for Lundy. Besides, Valiquette has at least 2 shoutouts this season. Name another backup who can do that and costs what Vally does.

    ……..

    You’re missing the point. We should have/could have gotten much more for Montoya.

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    No way. I don’t think we could have unless we laid out a lot of money like Pittsburgh or Colorado. That’ll bite them in the ass come year end.

  87. ya didnt you guys hear sathers phone was ringing offffff the hook for montoya.

    salty we dont agree on this i actually think your a complete moron and need a life i will leave it at that i have to go back to working

  88. Doodie "I'm agreeing with Salty on the Al Montoya trade" Machetto on

    Mike, you miss my point. We don’t need Hollweg’s penalties. Everytime the guy throws a hit, there’s a penalty. He can’t fight worth a lick, and he CERTAINLY can’t score. Might as well get someone there who can do at least one of those things.

  89. I really don’t think we would have gotten more for Monty as he was sitting for Wiikman–and is only recently getting over another injury. Also, he’s was a RFA or UFA at the beginning of this summer. On top of that, everyone knew the dirty secret that we wanted to move him.

    Hossa is also coming back from a bad back and has missed more than a few games because of injury.

    I would have liked more of a defensive d-man—you know, someone who actually hits and plays physical. But this could have been worse. We could have done the ‘Rangers’ thing of trading youth away. Not needed.

    I don’t know where Prucha fits right now. Does he go to Straka and Drury–when Cally plays a good physical game and can score without pp time?

    My guess, the summer is when we search for a good #1 d-man—hopefully.

  90. We were definately going to get less than what Montoya SHOULD cost because we were in a position of weakness there. For one, he wasn’t starting in Hartford anymore. Second, we just locked up Lundqvist for a long time, so teams see that as, “oh the Rangers don’t need Monty anymore” and that further lowers his price. Plus he’s been injured the last 3 years including college I think, if not then 2. We weren’t getting anything more for him unless we tricked a GM, or got one drunk to make a move. Maybe if Milbury was around, we coulda did something, but it wasn’t happening.

    And those who think JFJ is an awful GM, you clearly don’t know his obstacles in Toronto. Their ownership ran the show, not him. He was just a puppet. Ask any Leaf fan and thats what they’ll tell you.

  91. “We dont even know what Montoya had to offer”

    That sums up a lot of players in our system that have never been given a chance in the bigs even if only to increase their value. So youd be content with our first round pick in this years draft never playing an nhl minute only to be traded when his value is lowest for another teams bust first round pick. Sjorstrom may be a competent third or fourth liner, but those players arent intended to be drafted 11th overall so any way you look at it he has been a bust for three full seasons in the nhl.

    yean and ferguson and milbury have zero credibility. why does half the toronto team have a NTC? And Milbury actually tried to defend the luongo trade earlier in the day saying he had the great DP in his pocket. Id rather have Luongo and Heatley over DP any day

  92. DOODIE:

    Mike, you miss my point. We don’t need Hollweg’s penalties. Everytime the guy throws a hit, there’s a penalty. He can’t fight worth a lick, and he CERTAINLY can’t score. Might as well get someone there who can do at least one of those things.

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    I hear ya, but he provides an intimidation factor and he costs $500,000. None of the other guys would want that kind of money. This way, you free up more money for valuable players.

  93. Mike D, you are right, I guess people are afraid Hollweig will hit them from behind headfirst into the boards….but believe it or not thats not the kind of intimidation I want on this team. He has no place on the Rangers

  94. “I cant see any reason why ORR or Hollweg should ever see the ice again as New York Rangers”

    I cant see any reason to disagree with you more than I already do. When healthy, Colton Orr should never be out of this lineup. Especially when he plays on the 4th line, especially when you are going to replace him with a player that is the complete opposite from him. Who is going to pick the fights when the team needs a spark or when you have goons like Belak, LaRaque, Brashear, etc picking on the smaller guys? Avery, Shanny, and Dubinsky…three of your top 6 forwards? Please….

    Last time Orr was a healthy scratch from the lineup against Philly last year, this team was physically and emotionally dismantled…Renney wouldn’t and shouldn’t make the same mistake twice

  95. We were definately going to get less than what Montoya SHOULD cost because we were in a position of weakness there.

    ……

    A bloodthirsty GM would have ripped some poor fucker off so badly in a Montoya deal. That is ALL there is to that, there is a SUCKER born every minute, Sather just isn’t interested enough anymore to go looking for one. He’d rather just throw cash at big names, obviously. Sather has let us all down with our “#1 bargaining chip”. Whether or NOT Montoya is a stud, there was more than enough hype surrounding him that you can dress him up and rip someone off hardcore and leave them sucking sand once they realized they just traded their Prime Rib for our McRib.

  96. Nstaz is absolutely right. We need a constant enforcer to fight players who will run Jagr, Drury, Gomez and Prucha. It comes with the teritory of having elite players on your team. Look at Anaheim.

    Whic is why Gratton is a nice addition…

  97. Salty: I think every NHL GM knows that Sather is a windbag with no balls. The Rangers teams he iced before the lockout were such a pathetic joke that the NHL considered stepping in to run the team.

    Now do you really think Sather has the aura that Biran Burke has now? No fucking way. That guy is a joke. Can’t wait until he retires.

  98. I guess I am an idealist if that means wanting a competent GM who plays the players he drafts and maximizes their value rather than bringing in other teams rejected draft picks

  99. Not thrilled with the trade, but Sjostrom is a reliable body for next season when some of the veterans(Straka and Shanny)could retire. Ideally, some prospects from Hartford could step right in and score 10-20 goals for us and Cherepanov could be the next Malkin. But if not enough of those guys can get the job done next year, Sjostrom most likely will. Plus, he’s still got potential and has been a player I’ve always cheered for. But I must say that I’m awfully disappointed that Leneveu and Sjostrom are all we could muster for Montoya. I feel that following his progress for the past 3 years has been such a waste of time.

  100. the skinny on Sjostrom

    20 – RW/LW
    Fredrik Sjostrom
    Age: 24
    Date of birth: Friday, May 06, 1983
    Place of Birth: Fargelanda, Sweden
    Country: SWE
    HT: 6-1 WT: 217
    Shoots/Catches: L
    Salary: $800,000
    NHL Seasons: 3
    Drafted by Phoenix in 2001 (1/11).

    ASSETS: Has a terrific combination of speed, skill and defensive instincts. Is willing to take a hit in order to make a play.
    FLAWS: Needs to make better adjustments to the North American game. Is a bit undersized by NHL standards.
    CAREER POTENTIAL: Top six winger.

  101. the skinny on Backman

    55 – D
    Christian Backman
    Age: 27
    Date of birth: Monday, April 28, 1980
    Place of Birth: Alingsas, Sweden
    Country: SWE
    HT: 6-4 WT: 206
    Shoots/Catches: L
    Salary: $2,200,000
    NHL Seasons: 4
    Drafted by St. Louis in 1998 (1/24).

    ASSETS: Moves the puck well out of the defensive zone. Has an excellent frame and displays plenty of poise from the back end. Owns intriguing offensive upside.
    FLAWS: Must add more strength in order to survive the rigors of the NHL. Once he fills out, he must use his size more so as to keep forwards honest.
    CAREER POTENTIAL: Top four defenseman.

  102. First of all stop this number one goalie talk. I am a 20+ year season ticket holder and when has Lundqvist lived up to the King moniker?

    This Al Montoya trade is the worst since Zubov. This is tantamount to the Islanders giving up on Luongo. Now we are kept with an alwyas struggling and four goals against a game Lundqvist, a freakishly mediocre Valiquette and a goalie pick that is unproven.

    Sather is an absolute fool. Oh and by the way, since his tenure began, how many moves have brought us closer to the cup?

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