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Some updates from a short, fairly giddy session at the MSG Training Center:

<li>The Rangers began the long weekend in ninth place and woke up today in sixth. A question for players: is home-ice advantage back on their radar? “We still think we can win the division,” Scott Gomez said. “We want to win the division.”

More on this topic for tomorrow’s paper…

<li>Marc Staal resumed skating with his teammates today, and will take part in an optional skate tomorrow in Montreal. Tom Renney will determine then whether the rookie is fit to play against the Canadiens. But given the coach’s track record, I wouldn’t be surprised if he stuck with his current lineup if Staal is at all in question.

<li>Petr Prucha also skated, albeit in the dreaded mustard yellow no contact jersey. He is day-to-day, but out for tomorrow (which I guess means he is not quite day-to-day).

<li>Colton Orr is indeed sporting a new mohawk, leading to the revelation from Henrik Lundqvist that he had one as well in his younger days. It’s doubtful any of those mohawks were as bad as the one I had as an undersized freshman football player. Thankfully, the pictures didn’t survive.

<li>Another day, another quick exit from Sean Avery. The left wing was perfectly cordial when I approached him, even if declining to talk and quickly heading for the back. On second thought, maybe that doesn’t quite fit the definition of “perfectly cordial.” But it’s not like he’s outwardly pouting. Either way, it’s strange…

<li>A strange sight was Ryan Callahan, Jason Strudwick, Martin Straka, Scott Gomez and others all glued to the TV watching bowling in the fitness room. Slow day for TV, I guess….

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  1. ha ha guess Orr didn’t want to wait for a stache to grow so he decieded to go with instant mohawk! The only question is is it a good mohawk or a silly little one?

  2. From The Daily News

    TYUTS SWEET: D Fedor Tyutin was signed to a four-year contract extension worth $11.4 million ($2.85M per year). “It feels good when somebody wants to keep you and they rely on you,” Tyutin said. “I just have to keep playing my game and improve and prove that they made the right choice.”

    What a great attitude for a player to have.

  3. What is up with Avery, seems so strange. The guy never shuts up then won’t talk or answer questions, whats up with that?

    Anyone see on MSG NY the bit with Struds, Staal and Hollywood singing and playing Guitar Hero?
    Struds has the worst voice, its absolutely histerical.
    Hollwegg thinks he can sing and Staal just looks embarrassed.

  4. INferno,
    that is some funny stuff, I almost spewed my lunch all over the screen.
    Gomez and tyutin look the most natural and Rozival and Betts are just LMAO funny

  5. Everybody else is getting good offers except Avery, in his mind. Think the guy has low self esteem and that handicaps his ability to perform the way his talent should let him perform.

    Time for Avery to put up or shut up!

  6. Avery has put up the last few games. I think Sather should try to sign him before the playoffs. Right now his value might be lower than if we make a good stretch run. However I still don’t think Avery is a 3 mil man unless he puts up some pretty decent numbers down the stretch. I’d offer him 2 mil and no more than 2.5

  7. As for Avery, his agent probably told him to shut up and play, and he’s taking it to heart with his usual intensity. The last thing he wants to do is say something that affects his bargaining in a bad way or annoys Slats.

    Sam, any thoughts on whether the Rangers intend to make some trades or if they’re happy with the new, if short-lived, chemistry?

  8. lenny maybe you’d rather see him on the debbies or the fishsticks.He’s been out or playing with hurt wrists. Sather wants to resign him, and it looks like there is a gag order on Avery just not sure from whom. You need to calm down just a tad.

  9. Doodie Machetto on

    Now that Forsberg has decided his feet aren’t in good enough condition to play this season, I expect Slats to offer him a 3 year, $20 million contract.

    Somewhere, John M’s heart is breaking, and his Forsberg Rangers jersey continues to either collect dust in the closet, or tears from wearing it to bed and crying himself to sleep every night.

  10. Doodie Machetto on

    Inferno, that’s probably the closest Prucha, Dubinsky, and Callahan have ever come to having facial hair.

  11. This whole Forsberg thing is such a joke. Is the guy an NHL player or not? You don’t not play in the league and then decide, hey, I want to come back for a Stanley Cup push, what a slap in the face to the other guys on the team.

  12. Staal Wart – Please quickly dispense with the fantasy that Boyle is injury-prone. He had a freak accident this year that led to surgery at two different times. Otherwise, he has played 77 games or more in every full NHL season. Share with us why you think he is injury-prone.

  13. No gag order on me bklynblue!

    If Avery gets signed about 2.5M per year for 3 years, that works for me, whether it does for Sather is another story.

  14. Doodie Machetto on

    vogs, the reason why it isn’t a slap to the other players is that he has been rehabbing his surgically “repaired” foot. Forsberg was merely trying to recover from what is likely his career-ending injury.

    What Selanne and Niedermayer did is a slap to the other players. Forsberg just wanted to get healthy and see if he was able to still compete at the NHL level before he made his decision to return. Selanne and Niedermayer just dicked around until they felt like they had enough vacation.

  15. Doodie Machetto on

    Slats is overpaying his players and it’s going to bite us in the ass. Hank and Tyutin will be making about a million too much. Gomez and Drury were UFA, so I understand the premium paid, but I still think that they are both overpaid by a million. That’s 4 million in cap space being overpaid.

    I think he is just giddy with the 3 million he won’t have to pay Malik or Mara. But almost 3 million for Tyutin? Really? It’s like he is rewarding those that have played lousy lately with more money.

  16. I’d like to see Avery signed soon too.

    2.5M per would probably work for Slats… the question is would it work for Avery?

  17. doodie, I think our guys are getting too good of deals too. I’d like to start the conspiricy theory of Slats planning on retiring in a year or two and leaving his successor a f’n mess.

    EXCELLENT link there with the ‘staches. Funny stuff.

    staal wart – do you have a link of the guitar hero thing on MSG NY. I usually don’t watch it cause I hate the hosts.

    Whatever the deal with Avery is seems to be working right now. He’s played fairly well. Perhaps Slats is dangling low-ball offers in front of him. Of all the FA’s we may resign, that one scares me the most.

    And I’ll back the notion that Boyle is NOT injury-prone.
    Those guys watching bowling reminds me of Slap Shot. “Ten bucks says he says all the guys at work”!! haha

  18. Here’s a question for you fella’s…..And I don’t know what my answer is yet.

    HOW IS MORE IMPORTANT/VALUABLE TO THE RANGERS IN 2007/2008?
    JAGR OR AVERY?????

  19. It’s really hard to say. My gut says Avery, but Jagr is the captain and draws the attention of the opponents’ best defensive pairing, and if our three lettered players leave, who is going to fill Jagr’s role up top? I would guess a free agent. but what if we can’t get that guy? It’s probably Avery in the end because Jagr looks like he doesn’t fit in and can be more easily replaced.

  20. Spiderpig, I withdraw my comments on Boyle, I must have him confused with another player. However he is 31 and a freak accident that required 2 surgeries to fix doesn’t exactly change my mind, just like Avery and his wrists don’t exactly make me happy either

  21. lenny I wasn’t trying to gag you, but you wanted to challenge what Avery brings & has brought to the NYR. Glad to see you want him back, but I think he only wants 1 year right now. And I can’t imagine he’s happy having to give the media the silent treatment, it’s not his style.

  22. I guess I should proof read when typing in caps, eh?

    I’m still pondering my own question. Avery or Jags…hmmmm….

    Can’t use the ‘ol – record with or without. Jags has played every game since the lockout. And the franchise has turned around. Our record may be good with Avery in the lineup, but what exactly do we have to show for it? I’m torn.

  23. Bklynblue, that’s my style too, not to be quiet! :)

    Seriously, I hope it’s a gag order and not a mood swing by Avery. Didn’t he do the same thing in LA, became a disruptive force so they had to unload him?

  24. lenny from JD…”If Cablevision now has muzzled Sean Avery as well as Glen Sather (two of the formerly finest orators in hockey), perhaps those select few of you who boo Marek Malik ought to watch out.”

  25. This always happens, just when we go out and beat one of the “better teams in the league”, the Islanders come back from down 2-0 and win 3-2, scoring three goals in the 3rd to beat the Sharks this afternoon.

    I bet all is not well with the Sharks after dropping these two games.

    I just want to clarify something. The Rangers have one of the leagues lowest goals against average and our young defenseman aren’t worth $2.8 per year to keep on the team for many years to come?

    The difference between $2.5 and $2.8 million does seem to be an issue down the road now that I look at it. When the Rangers will be getting $5 Million back for Jagr, $2.5 for Shanny, $3 million for Mara, $2 for Malik and possible another $2 million for Straka.

    That’s 14.5 Million – minus the $6 for Hank, and $5.5 for Girardi and Toots leaving the Rangers $3.5 to spend on re-signing players for the following season. He’ll have Staal for another two seasons with his rookie deal, plus Slats still has to sign another tough dman and a scoring forward.

    How much is the Cap expected to increase by?

  26. czechthemout!!!!! on

    chris F.
    Dubi just played the last two games with Jagr after a long stretch without him.Let me ask you this,do you think that it was other teams covering dawes and prucha is what made Dubi more productive?I submit this to you.Dubi is now at a point in his development that he is starting to make the players around him better.Just look at jagr’s last 8 games before he was put on Dubi’s line,he scored ZERO points!

  27. Doodie Machetto on

    “The difference between $2.5 and $2.8 million does seem to be an issue down the road now that I look at it. When the Rangers will be getting $5 Million back for Jagr, $2.5 for Shanny, $3 million for Mara, $2 for Malik and possible another $2 million for Straka.

    That’s 14.5 Million – minus the $6 for Hank, and $5.5 for Girardi and Toots leaving the Rangers $3.5 to spend on re-signing players for the following season. He’ll have Staal for another two seasons with his rookie deal, plus Slats still has to sign another tough dman and a scoring forward.”

    Dude, your numbers are just wrong, and your analysis is shortsighted. First of all, the numbers:

    1) Shanny’s cap number is 5.3, not 2.5.
    2) Malik is 2.5, not 2.
    3) Straka is 3.3, not 2.
    4) Hank is almost 7, not 6 (6.85, to be exact).
    5) Toots and Girardi will account for about 4.5 million, not 5.5.

    Secondly, and more importantly, your analysis:

    Sure, Staal is on his rookie deal for another 2 seasons. But when his deal is up, how much money will it take to retain him? He’ll say: look at Tyutin. “I’m better than him [which I expect will be true in two years], and I am going to continue to get MUCH better. Clearly I should make at least double his salary.” Now you are paying Staal at least 5 million per. Not to mention the raise Girardi will get in the meantime to at least be even in salary with Tyutin. So now 3 of our D-men will account for about 11 million in salary. Gomez, Drury, and Hank will add up to a little more than 21 million. That’ll be 33 million in 6 players! Even if the cap goes up another 10 million from now, that’ll be more than half of our cap on our goaltender, 2 centers, and 3 defensemen.

    And even ignoring that, what effect do you think that their numbers have on the rest of the team? Avery is going to want to resign. He’ll want at least 3 million. Rozsival is going to point to the fact that he’s currently 2nd among defensemen in goals scored, that he is probably the only vet D-man the team will be interested in retaining, and that he could get at least 4.5 million on the open market. Dawes is going to want at least a million this year. And don’t forget next year’s RFAs: Dubinsky, Callahan, and Prucha. They’ll all want raises.

    The point is, paying your players so much sets bad precedents because other players will compare themselves to those players and expect money to be rated against that.

  28. According to http://www.nhlnumbers.com , the Rangers have somewhere in the neighborhood of around @23 or 24 million in cap space with the departure of Shanny, Jagr, Straka, Rozival, Malik, Mara, Avery, Vally and Strudwick.

    With the $11 million already allocated towards Hank, Toots and Girardi. That leaves approx. $15 million, with the cap increase, to spend on the following:

    – Avery, Dawes (RFA), Moore, Hossa – those together should cost the Rangers $6 million tops next season, leaving the Rangers with $9 million to spend on Marion Hossa, Brian Campbell, Rozival, etc.

    I think the Rangers are leaning towards having both Hossa’s on their team, although I think I woud rather let Marcel go and worry upgrading my defense.

    The numbers I had used in an earlier post were not correct. I didn’t realize the cap hit Shanny gave us or the amount of money Malik and Straka make together.

  29. Doodie, my numbers were a bit off, see my last post.

    I agree that Tyutin and Girardi will expect an increase, if indeed they deserve an increase to $4 million per which would mean they have elevated their game to the point where we might not be able to afford all our good defenseman.

    But in the meantime we have them locked up and the Rangers will be reaping the rewards of their stellar play which would lead them to those increased contracts but would lead the Rangers towards being one of the better teams in the league.

    Which is why you have to draft well, so you have the kids coming in from the farm team to restock in-case two of these guys have to leave due to contract and cap issues.

  30. czech – I agree Dubi is playing great, but I think you’re giving him a bit too much credit in way too quick a time. Also, the whole team is playing a more aggressive, go-to-the net style, which i do think is smart but not a sign that Dubi is necessarily making other players better. And you’re simply not giving Jagr’s presence and skill and effort much credit, and I think that’s wack. No big deal, though. At least they won a couple games. And if this season has reminded us of anything it’s that you can’t judge a team or a player by just a few games.

  31. With 3 days off this week, and 3 more next week, I would guess that within 2 weeks we’ll be even in Games Played with the rest of the div/conf. Possibly even having a game or two in-hand.

  32. Well it seems like everyone likes to play GM and Coach and decide if so and so deserved the extra 200k or whatever. Enjoy that guys!

    Here is something more interesting for all you GM/Coaches who love to tinker with the lines:

    What happens when Hossa gets back to playing condition? What happens when Prucha’s shoulder heals? What happens when Staal fattens up?

    The first line looks pretty f-ing good right now. Can’t say much different for Drulahaka. Gomer, Shanny, Dawes look good. I guess if one had to go it would be Dawes? I am really thinking that Pru and Hossa become Betts wingers? Not sure but as the playoffs approach, we don’t need Orrweg. Maybe just one of them?

    We need to maintain physicality and some intimidation, neither of which Pru or Hossa really give us. But, we do get a little more chance for a goal or two (not more!) with those guys flanking Betts.

    Would love to hear thoughts.

    The easy answer is that one or more of those guys would be traded.

    Also, is Malik tradebait once Staal gets back? Stall needs to get back to fighting weight soon as he needs to be on sure footing within 10d when the trade deadline approaches. I will say, since Malik’s scrap with Avery he seems to have gotten more urgent on the ice?

    Last thing, I guess you need some black aces on the squad to be ready to jump in if there are any injuries? So there might not be a massive trade where a handful of players are moved?

  33. Newman

    Prucha and Hossa sit until there’s an injury. I think Prucha could use some time off. Hossa I really don’t care because I think he brings nothing to the ice.

    Staal plays for Strudwick and Malik, Mara and Struds rotate though the lineup.

    let’s hope we don’t have any injury issues. As far as injuries goes The WIngs just lost Lidstrom and the Isles lost Sutton today. Both injuries, especially the Sutton one, look serious.

  34. Lidstrom is nothing serious according to VS and the Sutton injury looked like a cramp, but I am no Dr.

  35. Doodie Machetto on

    “What happens when Hossa gets back to playing condition? What happens when Prucha’s shoulder heals? What happens when Staal fattens up?”

    Hossa is finished in New York except as depth. Prucha is going to have to sit until someone gets hurt or sick, or whatever. Callahan and Dawes are HOT right now, and those are the only guys I can see Renney playing Prucha over. Therefore, he sits. When Staal is healthy, I imagine if Malik is still in a Rangers jersey that he will play over Strudwick, or at least get the majority of duty over him.

  36. Doodie Machetto on

    Brind’Amour is out for 4-6 months, and by my count, that means the Canes are pretty much out of the playoff hunt.

  37. Doodie

    I have quietly put my Forsberg Jersey on Ebay. I now have Sundin/Mcbae/Lacavilier Nameplates waiting!! Anyone of those 3 for Jagr ,Montoya and or Sanguinetti if it is Lacavilier.

  38. Mcabe sorry. Don’t want to have to pay twice for misspelling it! Seriously though, If we have a shot at one of these guys, Lets do something. Sundin may not fit long term. But he may get Jagr going. Lacavilier has said he wants to go to a big market team. Enough said.

  39. Regarding an earlier post about Dubinsky. Dubi is making other players play better by example. His work ethic is contagious and he is indeed a team player. He makes each line he centers better. Check the stats. He the complete package. He’s mature beyond his years, a fast skater,checker with great vision. He’s down & dirty in the corners and always comes up with the puck. How can other players not follow his lead.

  40. Adam and his apple on

    now while i might be a die hard yankees fan, i do have this to say, the avery situation makes me think of manny ramirez of the red sox, while avery like manny might be a little quirky to say the least, they still get the job done, manny being manny, avery being avery, i personally think sathers an idiot for pigeon-holing avery the way he has, now while i dont think we should overpay for avery, we should definitely sign him to a long term extension, hes going to be 28 in april, in his prime, his stats are trending upwards, this is the only year hes ever been injured for an extended amount of time, forget about the whole wearing out his welcome thing, that aint gonna happen, many a rangers fan has a man crush on him, me included, i dont know why he hasnt been speaking to the media, maybe his agent gave him the gag order so he wouldnt say the wrong thing, i just couldnt and really dont want to envision a rangers team without avery on it

  41. McCabe.

    Actually taking the time to add up the numbers which are posted at nhlnumbers.com, we have $30,977,000 of cap space reserved for next year already from Dubinsky, Prucha, Orr, Betts, Hollweg, Staal, Tyutin, Girardi, Gomez, Drury, Lundqvist, Callahan, plus whatever amount of Shanny’s bonus carries over, which would probably be below $1 million if we don’t trade for any players that count more against our cap. I figure the cap will be about $53-54 million, so a little less than half of the space is used already. Pöck would come in at $667,000 if he makes the roster (who knows at this point) and Byers at $608,000. The rest of the players who have been on the roster this year are free agents. By my count, we need to fill four defensemen, three left wings (or two LW and a RW depending on where Prucha plays), and a backup goalie. Hopefully, Valiquette will come back for the same amount. I think we have ample space to sign players, especially with all of the talent we should have ready in the system. Hopefully, Sather won’t feel obligated to fill up the cap space just because he wants to, neglecting if we have the necessary talent in the system.

  42. Sorry Beer I can’t find any links, however I bet they will play it on Rangers gamenight tomorrow…or tonight now.
    It is pretty damn funny.

  43. doodie – I don’t know about carolina being done. They always seem to be active at the deadline. Tough to replace that kind of vet, but it can be done. In any other division, they’d be done. I just don’t think they’re going to crumble and die.

    But it won’t matter to us when we’re facing the devils 3 times in the last 10 days of the season to battle for the top spot in the East. You heard it here!

  44. DB,

    Thanks for that video.

    Spider,

    You said: “Actually taking the time to add up the numbers which are posted at nhlnumbers.com, we have $30,977,000 of cap space reserved for next year already from Dubinsky, Prucha, Orr, Betts, Hollweg, Staal, Tyutin, Girardi, Gomez, Drury, Lundqvist, Callahan, plus whatever amount of Shanny’s bonus carries over, which would probably be below $1 million if we don’t trade for any players that count more against our cap. I figure the cap will be about $53-54 million, so a little less than half of the space is used already. Pöck would come in at $667,000 if he makes the roster (who knows at this point) and Byers at $608,000. The rest of the players who have been on the roster this year are free agents. By my count, we need to fill four defensemen, three left wings (or two LW and a RW depending on where Prucha plays), and a backup goalie. Hopefully, Valiquette will come back for the same amount. I think we have ample space to sign players, especially with all of the talent we should have ready in the system. Hopefully, Sather won’t feel obligated to fill up the cap space just because he wants to, neglecting if we have the necessary talent in the system.”

    If we have 31 mil reserved in 12 players and the cap rises to 54 mil then we have 23 mil left for the other 10 players.

    I still say I want Rozy back, I just hope that the kids come cheap enough that there is room for both Rozy and Avery. I think there is we just need to say Sather get it done.

  45. NY POST reporting that Renney said Staal is “ready to go” and barring any unforeseen circumstances, Staal is expected to play tonight. Renney will look at him during an optional skate today and make the decision….that should be good!

    Malik has played decently (kicked in the goal the other day but wasn’t his fault) in his absence but i’m just much more comfortable with Staal.

  46. I don’t know if anyone mentioned it here last week or not, but there’s a funny video on nyrangers.com about the ‘Strudstache’. No link, sorry.

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