This is getting depressing

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In the midst of this Jaromir Jagr scoring drought, with opinions chiming in from every direction — dump him, light a fire under him, offer him a job as a Madison Square Garden hot dog vendor — what I can’t get past is how I find the whole situation sad.

Look, I understand the need to villify Jagr. Once seen as a moody, highly paid superstar, now he’s seen as a moody, highly paid superstar who doesn’t score any goals.

As recently as last week, I still saw Jagr as a player who, while not dominating games like he used to, was still a couple of fortuitous bounces away from going on a tear.

Now it’s clear Jagr is struggling. Maybe a step slower, maybe not as strong as used to, he often either tries to take on players one-on-one and coughs up the puck, or worse, concedes that he can’t beat players on his own and defers to his teammates.

The guy is trying. If you don’t see that, you’re not watching. But that, too, is sad. It’s sad to see a brilliant, once overpowering talent like Jagr barreling to the net, wacking away at pucks and watching the puck squirt out of his reach. It’s sad to see a guy work hard after practice and still not have anything to show for it.

Larry Brooks was right yesterday when he said Glen Sather at least has to find out “what’s out there for Jagr”:http://www.nypost.com/seven/02102008/sports/rangers/its_time_to_find_out_what_jagrs_worth_183766.htm before the trade deadline.

How can you not? If the player’s contract is going to expire at the end of the season anyway — 84 points doesn’t look like it’s going to happen — then you owe it to the future of your team to see what you can fetch in return. But Brooks’ other point seemed to be if Sather can’t bring in anything substantial in return, then it’s not a deal worth making. And sadly, given the rut Jagr is in, other GMs likely aren’t salivating like they used to.

More likely, the Rangers will hold on to their captain, allow him to still attract attention from opposing defensemen, and hope his teammates continue to benefit as a result. And, of course, they hope that he can get going, too.

It’s not impossible. The guy is still an enormous talent, and he will still be an essential player to the Rangers down the stretch. What’s sad, though, is that I even have to make that point.

There was a time not so long ago when that went without saying.

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  1. Hmm. Trade Jagr?

    What a novel idea.

    It simply can’t happen soon enough, he’s been a black hole for this team all season. I love him amd all he’s done here, but please deal him ASAP.

  2. Hey Sam, how about a trade Jagr poll question? I’d be interested in seeing what the other readers think.

  3. Agreed Sam,
    I feel for the guy, but I wonder if one reason he puts so much pressure on himself is because he’s the captain, which probably just adds more pressure. Would I hurt his ego if they took the “c” away from him so he settles down? I mean he’s probably embarrassed.

    On a positive note our young players really seem to be stepping up and picking up some of the slack, Dubinski, Dawes, and Prucha (hope he’s ok) are really starting to gel. Callahan seems to have regained his fury, and Staal is getting better every game. Drury seems to have found his game, and Gomez is Gomez.

    I thought Valli has played extremely well and gave us a chance to win yesterday, unfortunately a stupid call on Hollywood ended the game for us. I still don’t see a trip there, Hollweggs stick was parallel to the ice and didn’t even go near that players skates.

    Anyway, I’m happy they have 5 days off…I need a break and so does my wife!

  4. I usually don’t agree with Larry Brooks, though there have been a few times I have this season. He definitely hit the nail on the head in saying it is time to see what Jagr’s worth would be. But he was also right in saying that Jagr definitely brought this team back to a respectable club. That all being said, if don’t get back a decent enough return for him, it is not worth trading him. If we could land players like Philly did last year when they traded Forsberg to Nashville then I am all for it. If not, then stand put and see what happens.

  5. jagr to the west makes a ton of sense, as brooks pointed out. those d-men aren’t used to his game and would likely have a tough time with him.

  6. I wonder what a package of Jagr, Prucha, and Malik could land us. I am being serious here. Any thoughts?

  7. Hossa* Gomez
    Avery Drury Shanahan
    Dawes Dubinsky Callahan
    Orr Betts Hollweg

    Roszival Staal
    Tuyts Girardi
    Mara

    I only put Hossa there because he will be healthy soon. Who could we fill the blanks with?

  8. Nasty, hopefully it could land us a young rising star I have no idea who but…a punishing defenseman would be really nice
    or a punishing power forward.

  9. I think the above mentioned package could get us a young rising star, another roster player, and a pick. No?

  10. Nasty, I was thinking the exact same thing… (plus maybe straka?) in a Czech package…

    Although truthfully I would really really like to keep Prucha on board at least into next year to see how he might be in a completely N-S “system”…

  11. I’ve been saying it for a couple of months now: Jagr to SJ for Bernier, Erhoff. There could be some throwins on both sides, but that would be the heart of the deal.

    SJ needs to strike this year, and Jumbo Joe needs a scoring wing. The only problem (besides Jagr’s slump) is that SJ might be snakebitten after trading for Guerin last year. But Jags has always been huge in the playoffs.

    And for all of this talk about trading Jagr, why isn’t there any talk of trading our other vet UFAs that have some value. like Shanahan, Straka, Mara, and even Rozsival (I’d prefer to keep him, but if someone made the right offer, I’d trade anyone on the team or farm except Marc Staal). Please note that I am distinguishing those with value from those without (Malik, Strudwick).

  12. hockeymanrangers on

    MY THOUGHTS I say move him if we can get SOMETHING decent in return. If we can not get anything for him keep him and let him do the best he can. I feel bad for him it does look like most times he is trying but he just cough’s the puck up. I swear he is the worst at coughing the puck up out there. Maybe just maybe he can still turn his game around.

  13. I really don’t want to trade Prucha at all, but in order to get something in return we are going to have to throw in some kind of youth that is an immediate roster player to get something good back. Even if a team is trying to dump salary they are going to want something that will immediately help their team in return.

  14. I was talking about this yesterday with my brother, but the trade we made to acquire Jagr is the greatest rip off in the last decade. Carter for Jagr and only half of his salary. Ridiculous!

  15. Nasty, that is why I had mentioned Dubinsky a few days ago. Although, at this point, I’d be much happier trading Prucha than Dubisnky.

    If Prucha’s shoulder is legitimately hurt, it is the best thing that could have happened to him as far as staying with the team is concerned. If he is injured, he won’t get traded.

  16. Thats because its what have you done for me lately Sam. He was better without the “C”. I_f they trade Jagr this team will be awful.

  17. I was talking about this yesterday with my brother, but the trade we made to acquire Jagr is the greatest rip off in the last decade. Carter for Jagr and only half of his salary. Ridiculous!

    …….

    Absolutely..however there was always a very good chance Jagr never comes back to life in NY… we got very lucky with him. I personally never expected it, it seemed like another Lindros/Bure deal…

  18. I want to add this. I don’t think Jagr is a player who doesn’t care or try. I don’t think he is washed up either. I think he is a very proud guy who is having a bad year. I think he is embarrassed about his lack of production and I think he is frustrated. He definitely tries, and maybe he is trying too hard. I have a lot of respect for him as a player and what he did for this team. He predicted that he was going to come out this year and have a better season than he did in 05-06. I do blame part of his struggles on not having Nylander anymore. But in saying that it definitely shows you that he is reliant on a center that will play his game. He is not in the prime of his career anymore where he makes the people around him better, like Ovechkin, Malkin, or Crosby. I do not think he deserves all the criticism he gets. I do feel a trade out west would do him some good. This team is Gomez and Drury’s team now. Maybe since we are capable of winning without contributions from Jagr, it is time to trade him. Trade him out West and do him a favor at the same time. I would love to see him go out West and finish his career with some respectable numbers if it meant righting this ship and getting some players that will compliment our system that Jagr just can’t seem to adapt to. Something needs to be done, and it isn’t a bad idea to see his value. Not all.

  19. I_f they trade Jagr this team will be awful.

    You need to elaborate on that if you want any form of attention/credit/respect. What *exactly* are you trying to say?

  20. It’s going to be rather funny today to see all the that posters come in and completely reiterate/agree with the Brooks article, when certain posters have been saying this about Jagr for months… to me it has seemed beyond common sense to milk this cow before it’s too late (which, it may very well be…I don’t imagine anyone giving up too much for Jagr)

  21. I’m trying to say who is going to be our threat that the other team watches….Prucha? Thats a joke. Also your not going to get anyone for the guy. He is most likely to retire at the end of the year and your not going to get any good young prospects unless the GM your dealing with is a Mike Milbury fan.

  22. I think if we can get a rising start in return along with a puniching BIG D-man(like Komasarik) they should do it. We are a few months away from getting no one for him, and it would be a joke to resign him after this year. Once they put the C on this guy he became a different player. Jagr is Jagr, but he is not a Captain.

  23. Rob Z

    How far ahead are you thinking? A couple of minutes?

    There will be more threats than Jagr. He’s NOT a threat right now, *he’s* the joke. It’s true that this whole division, if not conference, knows exactly how to shut him down. Think about what youre saying, are you trying to play it off like if we trade Jagr we are going to start losing this season? We need him for the rest of the year to make a cup run? You said yourself he’s probably done after this year, so what good will he do us then? Thikn about the future, trade this fading star while we can and maybe get a decent nugget of gold in the process. RECOGNIZE OUR POSITION AND SEE IF WE CAN RIP SOMEONE OFF WHO IS DESPERATE FOR A CUP RUN THIS YEAR PHAN.

  24. “Salt Skrote
    February 11th, 2008 at 10:53 am
    I_f they trade Jagr this team will be awful.

    You need to elaborate on that if you want any form of attention/credit/respect. What exactly are you trying to say?”

    Yeah, because the only reason people post here is to get attention, credit, and respect from you. Get off your soap box.

  25. This team just needs a 40 goal scoring wing and a 22-24% efficient PP. You have those two and you have a CUP!

  26. Salt-

    It’s going to be rather funny today to see all the that posters come in and completely reiterate/agree with the Brooks article, when certain posters have been saying this about Jagr for months…

    I am putting the finishing touches on having a stadium built in your name. You have been saying trade Jagr for months. I will get you a gold medal while I am at it.

    If someone is going to agree with an article by brooks so be it. This is a week of no Rangers hockey. There are going to be a lot of things to talk about. I for one have never been against trading Jagr as long as we could get something for him. But it is also important that we are winning without production from him. Earlier in the year when we won, we were doing so in getting some production from him. Now, and for a little while not, that has not been the case.

    I don’t know if your above post was directed at me in a smart ass way or not. If it wasn’t, then I apologize for jumping the gun, if was, then I will make sure we also have a statue put outside your arena.

    Love,
    your truest pal,
    The Nasty 1

  27. If we could trade Jagr, Straka, and Malik for a good return I would definitely do it. But all of those players are older. They are going to want a Prucha, Dawes, Callahan, or Dubinsky. I absolutely do not want to trade Dubinsky or Dawes. It is a toss up to Callahan and Prucha. I wish I had more to base my decision on. Callahan was out for such a long time and Prucha for most of the season had NO playing time.

  28. I’d take a couple of picks for Jagr right now. If you can get a good young player then great but I don’t want another josef balej. Jagr is trying for sure but he should no longer be on the first line and he should really not be on the powerplay either. And a young winger like prucha or dawes could do well playing with a fast center like gomez, they certainly couldn’t do worse than jagr.

  29. hockeymanrangers on

    Nasty 1
    I agree with you I feel bad for Jags, I am sure this is not how he wants to go out, out of the NHL or NY. And your right I think he tries to do to much sometimes. I wouldn’t mind trading him and Pruch’s, Prucha gets knocked around to much and he can’t keep the puck when other players just breath on him. But this is the thing, what can we get for them. And I will always respect Mr. Jags he has done this organization a lot of good I will always be glad we had him.

  30. There are a couple of serious issues here. The first and foremost should be this: is Jagr in a slump, or is he done? I think he is in a slump. However, that being said, I beleive he finishes the year in the top 30 in scoring, and the top 15 in assists. That my fellows, is a top line right wing. While not an MVP candidate, he is still a very valuable comodity, who is in NO WAY a detriment to the New York Rangers. While he may not producing as much as he, or anyone, would like, he still has produced this season. Players who finish in the top thirty in scoring tend to be given 4 to 5 million dollar contracts, which is what the Ragners pay him now. At that price, we are paying for and getting a great player, who really needs to figure out how to score again. When that happens, it is business as usual.

    By the way, no one trades a fourty goal scorer. We will either have to sign one on the open market, or keep Jagr at around 4 to 5 if his performance doesn’t pick up.

    Next year, Jagr should be our number one right wing, and I dont think anyone in hockey doubts that Jagr has at least two top 30 seasons left, after this current top 30 season.

    I dont want to hear any more venting fans who beleive that hockey is about winning hockey games more than it is about selling a product. Winning teams make more money, Duh!. The rangers make more money, Duh! Duh!. The rangers winning makes more money, Duh! Duh! Duh! Dummmmmmmmm. If you dont want ticket prices to go up again, hope for roughly the same as last year, which, if you dont remember, featured Brad Isbister and one hell of a run. Hopefully, Isbister wasn’t the key to the equation.

  31. Brooks say it best with this “The future is about Gomez. The future may arrive as soon as Feb. 26.” That is so true, I’ve admired this guy from afar since 2000 it is a pleasure to have in this uniform. The team owes it to the investment it made this summer to begine to accomadate Gomez the way they have for Jagr. He may never ask for it but he shoudln’t have to. I’ve said as many of you that Gomez should, could be the next Captain.

    Sam as always way to spark great talk.

  32. I know no one trades a 40+ scorer, I’m just saying all we need is an actual LEGIT scoring threat and an effective powerplay.. doesn’t have to be the best, but should be top 10. We already have a franchise goalie and a rising star d-man (Staal).

  33. Jeff L.

    “Yeah, because the only reason people post here is to get attention, credit, and respect from you. Get off your soap box.”

    Statements like that “trading Jagr will make us worse” are so broad and unfocused, that i’m not even sure what the guy was trying to say. When you do post here I’m sure you’re not doing it for your health, you’re doing it to be involved with the conversation. It’s not about me, although I will point out to someone in a heartbeat that they should probably elaborate if they want to be taken seriously here, and responded to, if not by me, than by everyone else. Thanks for pointing that out though, honestly. I thought about clarifying previously, but figured it was already somewhat understood.

    Nasty

    guilty conscience?

    Make sure my the uniform on my statue is #12 and that I’m shooting on the backhand with a right handed stick ;)

  34. zg, I don’t think anyone on here thinks Jagr is done. I think the concensus is that he doesn’t fit on this team anymore. His style of playing along the half boards puck control doesn’t work in Renney’s crash the net, get the puck to the net philosophy. Unless he’s willing to change to his game to suit the rest of the team then I think he’s got to go. Jagr should be able to adjust to the Rangers style of play and I’m sick and tired of the Rangers jumping threw hoops for this guy.

  35. I don’t have a conscience, that is why I am the Nasty 1. But I was also unsure if your comment about everyone commenting on Brooks’ article was directed at me. So I figured I would just put in that little set aside at the end. I got a little ahead of myself but when I realized at the end that it might not be directed at me I figured I would apologize ahead of time rather than just erase the whole thing, because in a sarcastic way I think it was pretty damn funny. And trust me, I have stadiums and statues in my name all over the globe. If you get my drift.

  36. The Kings aren’t trading young franchise players like Kopitar and Frolov. Blake is at the end of his career. I would rather trade for Brad Stuart from the Kings. who is still young and had good potential.

  37. Senile Sather is planning on locking up Hossa, Malik, Strudwick and Mara to long term contracts because that’s how he rolls.

  38. Why is there never a suggestion that Jagr adjust his game to the reality of his age and the league’s experience at playing him? He’s a huge, hard-to-move mofo with a giant ass and great hands. Park him in front of the net, slap a bunch of pucks at the net and watch him put in a ton of rebounds and deflections. Stop expecting him to outmaneuver guys from behind the net or the sideboards — it’s not going to happen.

    I think he could still be a huge force for us, but evolution is needed.

  39. “Brooks say it best with this “The future is about Gomez. The future may arrive as soon as Feb. 26.” That is so true, I’ve admired this guy from afar since 2000 it is a pleasure to have in this uniform. The team owes it to the investment it made this summer to begine to accomadate Gomez the way they have for Jagr. He may never ask for it but he shoudln’t have to. I’ve said as many of you that Gomez should, could be the next Captain.”

    Exactly. Just imagine getting Gomez together with the right pair of wings, one cuts to the net, one trails in for the rebound…insane.

    Is there any question to the best skater in the league? I would have to assume Gomez in the top 5. Never seen anyone zip through the neutral zone like that, literally a one man break out.

  40. That is the whole argument. 1 guy to change for the team or a whole team to change for 1 guy. It is hard to configure Power Play units and set lines if everyone is not on the same page. I wish to god he would change his game a bit. Granted, he has changed it a little. He has come back to help the defense a bunch of times this year. If he could successfully change his game I am all from keeping him. It just doesn’t look like he is capable of doing it.

  41. I think he could still be a huge force for us, but evolution is needed.

    Agreed, but Brooks kind of covers this… its incredibly tough to get a player with Jagr’s history to change his game. It’s really an example of not teaching old dogs new tricks, and a player with Jagrs past numbers/ego… is the last guy you should expect to try to adjust his game. He should, but just won’t, not long term.

  42. I agree about Gomez. I never appreciated what a gifted and fast skater he is until this year where I am really watching him. There has been too many times in the season where is skates through a whole team only to find himself all alone in the offensive zone with no friends to play with. Poor guy. Ha.

  43. To add on to what ‘Nasty 1′ said, I think that Jagr could pot 40 again if he was pulled aside and told to do the following:

    Let Gomez take the puck into the offensive zone. Then drive to the slot park his big butt in front of the goalie or hang out by the side of the net. Let Gomez dish the puck and get some “garbage goals.” He should avoid performing his “dipsy-doodles” in the right corner while muscling away from the defensemen who maul him with the safety of knowing that the refs won’t call anything on them. He’s 6’3, 240 and will be 36 at week’s end. He needs to rely more on his veteran goal-scoring savvy and massive size than his slick moves and speed which have evaded him.

  44. Nasty 1: It would take the deeds to MSG. Out of curiosity, Why?

    I have a feeling that everyone here is frustrated with the ranger’s lack of success, and are flailing about for a solution. I’m confident that if any GM or manager of any business were to behave in a similar manner, they would fail. Not that I am saying that Glen Sather is the best in the business, but he is at least one of the 30 best GMs on the planet.

    Guys, the Rangers have problems. They are inconsistent on offense and on defense, physically and mentally. My caveat is that there has to have been expectations of massive proportion for a team featuring these players to be considered to be failing. While signing Gomez and Drury seems to make the Rangers an sudden Cup contender, it really does nothing more than set the table for the Cup being a possibility. Supporting cast is so important.

    Hockey Rodent did an article a while back about how the team that wins the cup tends to have two number one centers (check) and a franchise goalie (check). However, he also wrote more recently that the age distribution needs to be within certain limits for a team to have success. This requirement the rangers do not, and will not meet until the younger players grow up. In the mean time, we have seen that when the team buys into the system, and plays with their heads on right, they can win in the post season. However, please, please remember, that the team won two games against the Sabers 2 to 1. Get off Jagr’s back about his scoring, and realize that unless this team stops giving up several odd man rushes every other game, they aren’t going back to the conference semifinals.

    Do they need to upgrade their forwards? NO! They have the forwards that they need. Do they need to upgrade their goaltending? Is that even possible? The problem is in the defensive mindset. Every time the team wins a game by more than four goals, they forget that it was the exception and not the rule. Get the defense to play the game the right way, and we will be perfectly happy with a strong run in the playoffs. We do not need a 40 goal scorer, because that would require trading a future 30/40 goal scorer or two.

    The problem is defense, not offence. Preventing goals is more important to winning than scoring them. I can show you the math if you want.

    The correlation to winning percentage for goals against is higher than for goals for.

  45. If the Rangers don’t make a major deal this week the I don’t think its gonna happen. (I don’t think its gonna happen anyway)but thats just my opinion.A few mini deals at best…….

  46. Funny how when Gomez played for the Debbies we called him all kinds of names.
    Now as a Ranger we love the guy. He got me, I’m a Gomer fan.
    Our best player, without a doubt !

  47. We are all so F’d this week. No games for 5 days mean these posts are going to get nutty.

    I do see a major deal being done this week but not by the Rangers. Nothing is going to happen with us till the last minute. Just my gut feeling. Someone mentioned a deal for Cheechoo while I find it hard to believe the Sharks would give him up I posted about a month ago a trade for him would be great. He like our much maligned cappy have been in season long ruts. Maybe a change of locale is what he needs to. Plus he’s tough as nails and shoots like crazy.

  48. “Absolutely..however there was always a very good chance Jagr never comes back to life in NY… we got very lucky with him. I personally never expected it, it seemed like another Lindros/Bure deal…”

    Its already been stated that Bure wasn’t a bust. He got a career ending knee injury, but he performed great when he was here. he had a goal per game when he first got traded.

    Anyway I’d trade Jagr if we get a guy like cheechoo or even Anton Vermette. hes going to be a very solid player and the Sens are trying to move him since hes an RFA and they wouldn’t have too much room for him. I know they want to move Redden too much he won’t waive his no trade clause so I dont think we could get him (or if I’d want him).

  49. jonny D, I’d love to grab Vermette, he’s going to be a great player and he’s only around 25 years old.

  50. I do not see any issue with Jagr. His play is result of Renney’s requirements. In other words Renney system is not conducive to Jagr’s production. His role is to draw two opposition players out of opponent’s line every time we are in offensive zone, get them both into the corner and send the pass to the Dman at the point. Pointman then has to shoot to the net were other Jagr linemates would outnumber the defenders.
    Under that scheme Jagr doesn’t score by design. All he can get is a secondary assist.

  51. zg –
    Overall, you’re right, defense tends to win. But truth be told, the Rahgers biggest problem is that they don’t score enough. Someone on another board posted that the Rangers have the lowest shooting percentage in the league to go with their nearly last goals-per-game, and that’s by a wide margin, as in the league average is somewhere around 9.5% whereas the Rangers are 7.5%. By those stats the poster surmised that if the Rangers were just able to finish on the NHL average of their shots taken, they’d have 31 more goals this year. Think about how much that would mean to this team.

    I don’t think that means they need to go out and get another scorer. But I think that a team that sits in 6th in GAA and 26th in GFA has to focus on putting the puck in the net at some point.

  52. Um, maybe you havn’t noticed but Jagr isn’t the center of the team any more. The number one power play unit is the one with Gomez and Drury. They are expected to score. Jagr’s unit is the second unit, and gets much less time. I hate to point out obvious things, but I have too. Jagr’s ice time is decreasing. His productivity is too. Other players are being productive. The problem isn’t him. He is just the most visible cause he is so large. Look, Blair Betts and the whole THIRD line is missing the ability to score occasionally. Compare Betts to John Maddin and Maddin wins. Compare Jagr to Patty Elias and Jagr wins. Wow
    look at that. Our Czech star is better than theirs. Seriously. There are lots of problems with the team not named Jagr.

  53. Jagr, Straka, and shanahan and others all have trade value so the rangers will not need to give up any youngsters if they did not want to..

    They are not trading shanny so the only possible old guys that can be moves are Jagr and straka and I doubt it greatly.

    if the rangers can pick up Boyle from TB that would help a ton, they need to just play boring NJ hockey defensive oriented and make it work for this yr.

    Jagr does not want to be traded and I doubt it will happen, wishful thinking for the hate Jagr crowd.. yeah he has really sucked the last 3 yrs..!!!!!!!They were a playoff contender before the ranger misfortune of trading for him!!OOOPPS I think that is innacurate……

  54. They need to trade him now as soon as posible. Does anybody remember the sabres and losing drury and breiere. If sather doesn’t trade him it shows he has that sickness old timers lol. Yea thats when old timers keep making millions on what they did in the past.But with the teams he had anyone could have won the cups even paws.So in the words of our lousy leader I’m not a NY kind of guy so PISS OFF!!!!!!

  55. Aaaand the nutty posts begin…

    Do people not realize the ramifications of trading Jagr? We’re not just talking about a player. We’re talking about a complete directional shift. Trry to stop thinking about what Jagr the individual is “possibly” capable of and think about at what cost this would come?

    Also, if you think Jagr is going to change his game and be one of those guys who just stands in front of the goalie for garbabe goals youre insane.

    Jagr costs the team so much in terms of chemistry. We’ve been trying to revolve around thi sguy all year. That is an understandable situation to be in if the guys is putting up superstar numbers, but he’s not. And even if he was, you have to ask yourself at what cost? How vakuable is Jagr to you if it means other players have to downplay thier attributes to feed him? Theres a certain balance there that has not been met all season. Jagr is the one that no longer fits, and has proven that although maybe willing to try, he still does not fit.

    I know many people want to have th “threat” of Jagr on the team, but Jagr has a LOT of baggage that is holding the team back. I wholeheartedly believe that as Jagr is no longer a Ranger, this team can truly start the healing process. The sooner the better.

  56. Sorry that was a porrly written post.

    Translation:

    As soon as we lose jagr and stop focusing on him, it gives us so much more freedom as a team. Even if Jagr was playing really well, if does not mean the Rangers are playing at their highest potential as a group. I know some people already understand this and some don’t, I’m trying to explain it so it’s easiest to understand…any help?

  57. To the people who claim we’ll be terrible without Jagr…You do realize we’re scoring about 2 goals a game *with* Jagr in the lineup, right? Are you all proposing that we’ll be shut out every game if Jagr is traded? If that’s what you’re implying, it’s pretty lame.

  58. zg, i think yesterday’s game was the first time Jagr’s pp unit was treated as the second unit all season. And Jagr still leads all forwards with average time on ice and he played about 20 minutes yesterday.

    His skills are just not there and you cannot blame his lack of scoring because of a lack of ice time or a decrease in playing time. His playing time hasn’t really changed all year. He deserves to play a lot less than he is now.

    He is not the only problem, but he is still being played on the top line as our number one winger. And he certainly isn’t performing as such.

  59. how many season ticket holders post on here and what section u guys in….?

    trying to make the week go by fast haha

  60. Something no one seems to be thinking about is if you trade Jagr, then that leaves the best D-men to ride Gomez, Drury, Dawes or who ever you put out on your 1st line, Jagr may not be scoring like he used to but he keeps the best of the D-men on each team very busy and this frees up the rest of the 1st line and the rest of the lines to try to score and I dont see much of that happening now so just think how much harder it will be without Jagr there to keep them busy the entire game. No matter what enyone thinks or the numbers Jagr is putting up every coach out there builds their game plan around shutting down, not stopping the rest of the team. DO YOU REALLY WANT TO TRADE THAT AWAY????

    And for all of you crying to strip Jagr of the “C”, I really dont think he would care, he has always played better without it, I bet if asked, especially now he would give it up, he wants to win and wants it to be with this team.

  61. *reposting this because it is well written an dgets the point across*

    NASTY 1
    February 11th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
    That is the whole argument. 1 guy to change for the team or a whole team to change for 1 guy. It is hard to configure Power Play units and set lines if everyone is not on the same page. I wish to god he would change his game a bit. Granted, he has changed it a little. He has come back to help the defense a bunch of times this year. If he could successfully change his game I am all from keeping him. It just doesn’t look like he is capable of doing it.

    Yes, well said, that does say it all.
    It’s not about Jagr the player anymore. It’s about Jagr’s locker room power as well.

  62. RangerFan: You’re really drinking the media Kool Aid when it comes to Jagr. Does he play against the other team’s best D? Yes. But he isn’t fast enough to beat these guys anymore, something that Gomez, Dawes, Avery, Callahan and Prucha are. The same guys that are supposed to shut down Jagr’s line are also supposed to shut down guys like Parise, Gionta, St. Louis, Derek Roy, Briere…All of whom are smaller guys, yet they don’t seem to be in the same scoring slump Jagr is in.

  63. so your saying pay someone 8 million dollars to keep the other teams defense busy. how long do u think that will last considering he has no points in seven games

  64. it is true that jagr has the top defensive matchup against him which in theory frees up the other players and lines, but when he is on the ice everyone still gives him the puck so that pretty much erases his linemates from scoring. And what is to say that Prucha or Dawes couldn’t be effective playing with Gomez. They can keep up with him, so Gomez could just dish it to one of them instead of giving it to Jagr who then proceeds to cycle and make a blindpass towards the net.

    I imagine defenseman in the eastern conference aren’t that scared to play against Jagr anymore as you know he will just be along the boards for the most part before he tries to cut in the middle with about half of his normal speed.

    Bottom line, is we couldn’t be much worse if we traded Jagr

  65. they need to give shanny the C it makes so much more sense not just because of scoring but because he makes a better leader even before this season they should have done that. i dont think its even consider a punishment to take it away from jagr. yes he is a great player but that does not mean he is a captain.

  66. agreed Sam. I was at the game, right behind the glass for the 1st a 3rd period yesterday in DC. Jagr was working hard, but it just seems like his shot and his legs are not there. He skates one way, the puck goes the other way. People forget that the Jagr who score 54 goals was not anything like the Jagr that was dominate in Pittsburgh. At least half those goals in 04-05 came on wristers from the RW circle. He never scores from there anymore.

  67. DO YOU REALLY WANT TO TRADE THAT AWAY????

    …..

    hahahahaa YES!!! You said it yourself. *It’s NOT WORKING*

    Jagr goes, we *can* change the whole game plan. North-South baby! A fluid power play featuring lots of motion and shooting.

    No other teams in the league have Jagr, and they manage to win games, most more than us. Don’t act like we can’t possibly win without him acting as a decoy. What kind of Disney movie do you thikn this is that we’re going to run some scam on the rest of the league about Jagr? Fact of the matter is he’s a liability more than he is a contributor, on the scoreboard or as a distraction.

    Why am I still here.

  68. Prucha27
    I am not saying that that is the reason for his slump, I am just saying you get rid of him and the d-men that are usually riding him all game are free to start riding the others and will shut them down. You can be sure if Jagr is gone what littles scoring we are getting will come to halt.

  69. RangerFan: See my post from 1:36pm…I’ll just repost:

    “To the people who claim we’ll be terrible without Jagr…You do realize we’re scoring about 2 goals a game with Jagr in the lineup, right? Are you all proposing that we’ll be shut out every game if Jagr is traded? If that’s what you’re implying, it’s pretty lame.”

    You really think we’ll get shut out every game without Jagr? Really?

  70. For all you people wanting San Jose to trade for Jagr, it will never happen Ron Wilson was fired for Washington and said he would never coach him again.

  71. You can be sure if Jagr is gone what littles scoring we are getting will come to halt.

    ……….

    That is so beyond absurd! I can’t help but laugh!

  72. Prucha27
    I can only say we will have to wait and see, I hope you are right, but only time will tell.

  73. like i said before, Jagr’s style of play invites the opposing defense to ride him. Prucha or Dawes would not start playing like Jagr if they were shift to the Gomez line.

    Jagr, should not be captain but nor should Shanny, as his games has deteriorated just as much. All shanny can do now is fire it on the net, no matter where he is on the ice. They should play the rest of the year without a captain and let the team or coach (hopefully a new one) pick a new captain next year.

  74. I was just looking at the poll question. I am wondering what 73 of the 298 people that voted are thinking? Sign Jagr next year…I think I just threw up the French Dip I had for lunch in my mouth. I went to a good place so it was not the food.

  75. A year ago I would have said give the captaincy to Shanny. Now he is deteriorating just like Jagr. I know we all want get to rid of Jagr but there is more of a market for Shanny I’m sure. There is an influx of new talent this year it is quickly becoming the Gomez, Drury, Hank,, Dubi, and Staal team. These are our future leaders. It’s evident enough now seeing as how Drury has been designated as an Alternate C for the past couple of games while Shanny has been out. Shanny could be part of a package deal to get a high choice or an up and comer. Who knows maybe we could package the both of them. I could see a deal with Phoenix for a non roster player Blake Wheeler maybe.

  76. I am wondering what 73 of the 298 people that voted are thinking?

    ………

    They’re thikning about the Jagr jersey in their closet. ;)

    ——–

    I hope the guy sitting next to me doesn’t smell what just slipped out from my laughing so hard.

  77. *************

    Trade alert:

    Ottawa sent Corvo/Eaves to Carolina for Stillman/Commodore

    *************

  78. That is funny Salty. Probably true because they are not thinking about the team and the future first.

    I voted to keep him and then let him walk FYI. Why? The reasons that were said in the post by Sam and the bloggers. However, if something good comes along then pull the trigger. It better be out West because if we do turn it around without him I would hate to see him burn us in the playoffs. Whoever said trade him to Ott is totally on crack. Why would you keep him in the East??

  79. I have a question for all of you. Of our current defensemen who do you want NYR to resign?
    Mara
    Tyutin
    Malik
    Girardi
    Strudwick
    Baranka

    I don’t think Malik at all. Obviously. My guess is he will be apart of a trade. I don’t think the trades will happen until Feb 18-19. That’s the two days all the GMs meet.
    I don’t think we are going to hold on to Strudwick because we need to put the money to better use.

    Personally, I’d like to see Tyutin and Girardi next year. I’d love to see Boyle come in a trade..but there are talks that San Jose is looking to get him to.

    Thoughts?

  80. Pavel, you should know better then to post that stuff without a link. You think people on here believe you or anyone else’s word. We need proof.

  81. “Its already been stated that Bure wasn’t a bust. He got a career ending knee injury, but he performed great when he was here. he had a goal per game when he first got traded.”

    Meant to respond to this earlier. Bure came here off an already career threatening injury if I’m not mistaken. He didn’t *bust* here, but he was a damaged egg from the minute we got him as far as I can remember. I was away at school for a couple of the really dark years and didn’t get to pay all too much attention to this. That said I originally chalked Jagr up to be another past thier prime big name UFA signing, I’m sure MANY Ranger fans did. I was actually sickened by the Jagr signing, I had always loathed the guy. BUt he really impressed me, and I’m a very big fan of Jagr, the person, and the player. However, I’m a bigger fan of the Rangers. NO ONE is bigger than the team, and everyone has to hang them up at some point. Jagr is no exception… I don’t see how you could not want to get all you can for him right now for the good of the team.

  82. The pool does not have a choice ‘Shop Jagr to see what you can get for him.’ …. You need to get something substantially more than you got for their last HOF Leetch.

  83. Pavel,

    Thanks. I was not trying to be a d&^k but you know the peeps on the blog. They are good but want proof.

  84. Ottawa just got 2 steps closer to a cup. Stillman is a huge point producer and Commodore is someone I had hoped to see the Blueshirts get for two reasons. Red Fro, and hits like hell.

  85. Corvo and Eaves are good players as well. See you have to trade something good to get something good. I agree that the Sens got the better of the deal, but it is close.

  86. I like this deal for Eaves I think it give him a chance to flourish he was getting buried on the depth charts in Ott. I only say this because I love to see US Hockey players succeed.

  87. Bad trade by the Canes imo. Ottawa added toughness and size in Commodore and a real good 2nd liner in Stillman. Canes added an injury prone Eaves and underachieving head case in Corvo. I don’t get it from their standpoint.

  88. Marleau and a 2nd rounder for Jagr and Prucha I’d do that in a heart beat…

    I posted it before but Jagr for Jordan Stall????

    …Jagr goes back to the Pens big story…it wouldn’t happen being that it’s in the division and would make the Pens too damn talented, but what do people think of that?

  89. Nasty I can’t disagree more. The Canes lose Williams and then trade a real good forward in Stillman for Corvo who the Sens were dying to deal. Eaves is a third liner that just can’t stay healthy. Not as shortsighted and dumb as the Jack Johnson for Tim Gleason deal the ‘Canes made last year but still pretty bad imo.

  90. Marleau can play wing as well. I doubt the Sharks would do it and anyway the Rangers would be hard pressed to fit Marleau in under the cap.

  91. Jagr does not cost the rangers $8 mill, not even close. Yeah Jagr and prucha for Marleau.. Sure take on a long term contract for a guy not producing while giving up a guy who has 30 games left on his deal, sounds like a STUPID move to me……

  92. I wonder how the players feel about Jags. I have to assume a guy like Chris Drury cannot wait for him to be gone. If Drury really is the guy everyone says he is, I would think he really doesn’t appreciate a guy like 2008 Jagr at all.

    God I am literally salivating over the thought of Jagr being gone as soon as 2/26. I don’t see it happening to be honest, but it would renew my faith in the team and the season ten fold. He is quite literally a bad habit the Rangers have fallen into and I’d like to see him dropped as such.

  93. Marleau is one of the worst +/- guys in the league. Fans in SJ have been calling for him to go before his NTC kicks in. He has been doing horribly for them since last year mid-playoffs.

    Jagr costs the Rangers something a little over $4 million. The Caps pay half.

  94. I’ve decided not to go golfing for the next 5 days, so I will see if I can rustle up a trade or 2 for you guys. Just tell me who you want traded and who you want in return and I’ll do my best.

  95. Nasty you said the Sens did get the better of the deal but that the value is close and I’m disagreeing by saying the Sens pulled off a highway robbery.

  96. Jagr costs the Rangers something a little over $4 million. The Caps pay half.
    …….
    Siobh,

    You do realize that after this season, Jags turns back into a pumpkin right? That sweet halfprice deal evaporates unless Jags triggers 84pts & wins a playoff round…with us. THAT is the other thing about trading him now that makes it really tough, my understanding that his cap hit becomes the full $8M with anyone else, no? Anyone have specifics on trading Jagr and his cap hit for the other team?

  97. Nasty 1,
    senators got the better deal short term. The two players they got will be free agents at the end of the year. The players carolina got, one is RFA so they control that player and the other player has two years left on his contract. Basically the sens got two good rental players to go for the cup which makes sense considering they made it to the cup last year and they are still the best team in the eastern conference.

  98. gee, I didn’t realize that Jagr’s agent, ZG, was posting here.

    talk about trying to make a sow’s purse etc.

    top 30. HAHAHAHA.

    that’s a good one.

    yeah, and the LA Kings are in the top 30 of the NHL standings too. jackass

    quit trying to defend the indefensible.

    he refuses to modify his game to help the Rangers. does that sound like a team oriented captain?

    no, it sounds like a selfish individual/hockey player just like his buddy malik.

    team be damned, that is his motto.

    PP will be run my way or the highway, says Jagr.

    again. team be damned is his motto

    Mike should be his Mottau, as in former Ranger

  99. To clarify: I dont feel confident in your analytic abilities.

    How about this:

    A over 35 year old, currently in the top 50 in scoring and top 30 at his position. Has played every game this season. Has postseason experience, and leadership qualities. Is an UFA, at a cap hit of around 5 million dollars over a full season. Is the captain of his team.

    Who does this describe? If your team is likely to make the playoffs, do you trade for a player like this? If your team is likely to make the playoffs (is currently, o say, in 7th) do you trade a player like this?

  100. Salt-Yes I do realize that. I dont think he is worth the current price— as we already have Gomez and Drury taking two big slices of the pie that is our salary cap. But, for now, Jagr does not cost us all that much.

  101. I don’t see the rangers making any big trades, minor trades possible but no big trade. I definitely don’t see them trading Jagr.

  102. ZG, everything you say just makes Jagr sound like a juicier trade piece and makes me so so so curious as to which chump GM is dumb enough to sink his teeth into this rotting bait and give up some choice tenderloin prospects. *My mouth is literally watering over what we could possibly get for him to help craft the future of this team.*

    I would watch dinosaurs eat everyone who thinks we should keep Jagr and let him walk scot-free when we could get such juicy nuggets for him. I would cheer and cheer as a raptors and pteredactyls shredded at your chests. *I do not understand how your brains work, what are you trying to maintain or preserve with Jagr on this bench?*

    He is a *black hole*. We can only get better without him, *he’s holding us back*. If we can actually get juicy prospects for him, if is beyond a no brainer.

  103. Well, a juice prospect sound nice to dinosaurs too!

    But seriously, a player of that description matches several players this year and in previous ones. And if KT or Bill Guerin comand a roster player, prospect, #1 pick and plus, ask yourself if any other team would give that up for another team’s captain? It is a huge risk for other GMs, and it would be stupid for the rangers to give up having Jagr for the playoffs for anything less than the going rate for a top line rental.

  104. they have not won a single game vs the western teams

    is there anyone here who thinks they can beat DET or ANA?

    in one game let alone 4. no, not if you are even mildly realistic.

    and beating OTT is highly unlikely as well.

    so, trading to improve the future is the best course.

    however, do I think that Jagr will be traded?

    no, he should be. but he won’t, because sather is only interested in getting a few playoff games for Dolan to cash in on.

  105. Those who think that other teams will just replace their top line forward for ours are just annoying. Those trades do not happen at the deadline, and rearly ever happen at other times. It would be like trading coaches. Or how about Alex Ovechkin for Syd Crosby? Wait, wait, no, they should trade MSG for the Igloo as long as they throw in the steelmills too! O wait, those jobs are overseas! Ok, How about Jagr, for Mike Keenan’s Toupee, and we will throw in the Knicks!

  106. I wouldn’t trade Jagr unless something really appealing came along. I think he still could be useful during a playoff run here. But with that said I also wouldn’t give him $6m or more next season. The Rangers are absolutely crazy if they pay him first line money next year. He really doesn’t look like he’s struggling, he looks like he’s done. The quickness isn’t there, the confidence is at an all-time low and I really don’t know if he can ever get it back, especially going into next year.

  107. Just dropping by with a joke.

    We need to trade for Marion Hossa. And re-sign his bro. Just think….Hossa, Gomez & Hossa.

    IT’S THE ‘HGH’ LINE!!!!

    Resting my brain for a bit, trying to get my thoughts clear, I’ll be back in a day or two.

  108. as for the stupid assumption that the rangers would be worse w/o Jagr. horse manure.

    look at the Avs w/o 3 stars sakic, smyth and stastny

    look at the pens w/o crosby

    you play as a TEAM in hockey, not for the benefit of individual egos

  109. My prediction:

    Trade Jagr and see the next generation of NY RANGERS step up and flourish.

    Secondary: Possible change in Peeping Tom Renney without Jagr to cater to… Although I’m desperate to see him gone just as bad.

  110. Bring back Lohan on

    I knew you couldnt stay away Beer Me. Trying to act above this….. You couldnt do it naturally eh.

  111. Trade Jagr if you can get a #1 or #2 defenseman …

    The better move would be to put Jagr with Drury and Avery … drop Gomez to be with Shanahan and Callahan, keep the Dubi line in tact … Put Straka on the SBO line … send Hollweg back to So Cal Rollerhockey league …

  112. If Jagr is traded, as he should be (we cannot just lose him without anything in return) AND he continues to play in the NHL, Brooks is right about what he brought to the Garden.

    I believe that unlike Pittsburg and Washington, he will be cheered for bringing us back to the playoffs.

    MSG is class.

    Pittsburg should have cheered that man every time he touched the puck for what he gave them.

  113. were the Rangers worse after they got rid of their aging stars in ’04 ?

    no, they got better.

    it takes an adjustment period to change the style of play and the TOI and the emphasis, but it gets better after a while.

    but, Sather and Dolan will not try to sell season tickets on the homegrown team concept, they would rather sell them with the big name mercenary crap.

  114. I have said it before and will say it again: this team is split between Euro hockey and N American hockey.

    Our future for the next few years is very, very bright.

    When Gomez becomes Captain, he brings a defense first mentality. This will make Lundqvst shine. Then, we will play fast and tough hockey. No perimeter pretty passes, but a lot of ugly goals, right in front of the net. I think Avery will fit in with this style. I was wrong about him. I was afraid character would hurt the team but he has done a lot to help.

    we have young defensemen ready. We have that russian kid who can score goals to give a shot to.

    We can unload those that are dead weight, and those that hurt us. Our core is excellent.

    Drury is okay in NY now. He has found his game and then some. He will wear the A for Gomez.

    This is the last of the transition years. Get a young promising D man for Jagr. Let Jagr get a cup with Detroit (they may get it anyway). Let him have his dignity.

    Shanny is slowing down. No question. Maybe it is the late night partying, but maybe it is just the mileage. He won’t be around for next year.

    Our Captain will be 29 and the A will be 32. Staal will have a great year. Sign Lundqvst now. He won’t be demanding so much against the cap right now.

    The flavor will change. Hard work will be the norm.

    I am telling ya, Don’t be depressed. Jags carries two guys on his back and the refs never call it. He needs to go West. We need dump and chase hockey with guys paying the price in the corners and in front of the net. See what Prucha can bring. Get a pair of used skates for Hollweg.
    Get a can of cheap beer for Hossa. Get…well, you won’t get anything for Malik.

    Is anyone optimistic about the future as I am? (beer me, don’t answer this…)

    Anyone see the Bobby Sanguettis (sic) and other young players fitting in to a nice array of YOUNG veterans?

  115. “MSG is class.

    Pittsburg should have cheered that man every time he touched the puck for what he gave them.”

    I totally disagree. he pouted his way out of town. and he was the beneficiary of the great Mario Lemieux, not the other way around. while Mario tried to save the team for pitt, and did, jagr wanted to bail out, and did.

    and msg is class in the way it honors stars, but NOT in the way it treats the fans. and they are more important.

    Dolan is MSG, and he is not class, except low class

  116. Gomez won’t be the Captain, Drury will, which is why he gets the “A” with Shanny out. They’ll either be co Captains, or it’ll be Drury, as it should be.

  117. Joe,

    I agree with what you say about Dolan but you don’t think Pittsburg should cheer the Cup that he helped bring?

    I hate to say that MSG IS Dolan….but I do know exactly what you mean.

  118. Joe,

    do you think we could get much for Jagr?

    I think someone THIS close to the Cup (like us in 94) may be willing to part with young talent.

  119. If you really want to look at the possibility of trading Jagr you have to look at what teams would want him, and risk losing him at the end of the season due to his UFA…everyone else can debate what players go where

    Eastern Conference- The only possibility of teams are Ottawa or Montreal

    Western Conference
    Detroit? I just can’t imagine the Redwings wanting Jags personality in that obviously very good lockeroom

    Dallas? Maybe

    San Jose? Sure

    Minnesota- No

    Anaheim- They’re at the cap line, so no

    Colorado- Maybe, they’ve got alot of injuries and could use him

    Calgary- Ha, can you imagine Keenan working with Jagr?

    Nashville- THey had they’re exodus last year

    Vancouver- Possibly

    so really, to me anyway, 6 teams are the only option…then again maybe he goes on a heall of a streak and wracks upa 90 point season with the Rangers and we sweep the Western Conference team in the Stanley Cup playoffs and Jags is en route to the Conn Smythe…what’s more likely?

  120. Alex,

    well thought out.

    of the teams you mentioned, who is most likely to bite?

    Also, does Dolan have the backbone to do this? (given his love for spotlight players)

  121. seamus, they cheer the cup, but they don’t overrate his role in getting it.

    as for the second question, I already said that I doubt sather will trade him.

    jagr was traded twice while in his prime, and he brought back complete garbage in return.

    My feeling is that it would be addition by subtraction. getting rid of him changes the whole dynamic of the team. the shackles are off. they can play REAL hockey, north south, crash the net, aggressive hockey.

    and end the slow, circling perimeter soft hockey that they now play to placate jagr.

  122. Gomez won’t be the Captain, Drury will, which is why he gets the “A” with Shanny out. They’ll either be co Captains, or it’ll be Drury, as it should be.

    ——

    Why should Drury be the Captain? I’d like to hear your reasons, about why he should captain this team.

  123. one of the best points here was when someone said that Sather won’t be able to trade Jagr; not because there are no takers, but because Dolan might be more interested in the revenue a playoff series can bring rather than be interested in the future of the team.

    that was depressing to read but may very well be correct.
    I hope not.

    I hope he realizes that more money is made in the future by continuing to build this team….

  124. not really. teams should have learned by how nash got burned last year on the forsberg deal and how the Sharks got burned on the guerin deal.

    remember, all the sharks were offering for wade redden was underachiever matt carle and a draft pick.

  125. My feeling is that it would be addition by subtraction. getting rid of him changes the whole dynamic of the team. the shackles are off. they can play REAL hockey, north south, crash the net, aggressive hockey.

    and end the slow, circling perimeter soft hockey that they now play to placate jagr.
    ………

    I love you. Addition by subtraction…ABSOLUTELY. I’d truthfully trade Jagr for a new one piece, but hell, the thought of getting actual *good players* for him drives me insane with excitement. I’m getting stiff thinking about the possibilities. INSANE.

    BREAK THE CHAINS SATHER

    BREAK THE CHAINS

    WE CAN BE FREE

    WE CAN FLY

    PLEASE PLEASE PLAESE MAKE THE RIGHT MOVE

    YOU *OWE* US!!

  126. Open Letter to Dolan/Sather:

    Dear Swines,

    Everyone that will ever buy an NYR Jagr jersey, already has. It is in your best interest to trade him now and bring in some fresh tenderloins. Fresh meat = new uniforms to sell to fans. It is in your very best interest to keep the merch income churning.

    P.S. Shanny too? kthxbi.

  127. Why should Drury be the Captain? I’d like to hear your reasons, about why he should captain this team.
    _________________________________

    Because he’s been a Co Captain before, and been successful. SO he can handle the pressure of the “C”. He’s won virtually everywhere he’s been. He steps up in crunch time, he leads by example, and he gives 110% every single shift.

  128. I want to step back for a moment, and ask another question.

    Its a history question.

    Has any team, in a playoff spot by the trade deadline, ever, in the history of sports, traded it’s captain?

    As long as they are in the hunt, the Rangers will not trade Jagr.

  129. there is lots that I fault jagr on; the shootout, the perimter, the whole Czech posse thing…He should not have been the Captain, Shanny should have been. But, I do think he could bring something in return. A trip out west in the open hockey might re-energize him greatly

    As to Dolan, from the psych profile given to us by Sports Illustrated, it will be a tough sell. people like him want immediate gratification and do not like to wait.

    he just might demand the dollars from one playoff round that Jagr MIGHT just give us over the future revenues a solid d-man might bring.

    MSG spent a lot of money in July. We are basically a .500 club under the Jagr administration. It is time for a change.

  130. ZG – The Canadiens traded Muller at the deadline, he was their Captain. They traded him to the Islanders.

  131. Prucha27, I disagree wholeheartedly with this:

    “Because he’s been a Co Captain before, and been successful. SO he can handle the pressure of the “C”. He’s won virtually everywhere he’s been. He steps up in crunch time, he leads by example, and he gives 110% every single shift”
    ………

    Successful where? Buffalo? You must not have watched the playoffs last year. Buffalo hardly showed up to play. Drury couldn’t get the Presidents Trophy winning team to show up for the playoffs.

    -Islanders battled them well.
    -We damn near beat them (yes drury scored that goal, it was our own fault though)
    -Ottawa (a real hockey team who didnt slip into the playoffs) embarrassed the shit out of them.

    They stopped working hard as soon as the playoffs rolled around and started just slipping by. Drury may have had a *decent* playoff individually, but he couldn’t lead that team anywhere at all. Once Buffalo finally faced a REAL playoff team they got massacred, and they should have been able to put up a much better fight than that. They should have been better prepared and in PLAYOFF MODE from the get go. If Drury was a good Captain Buffalo would have stomped the corn out of the Islanders & Rangers, battled OTT, and might possibly still be defending the Cup right now. Chris Drury *might* be a pretty good hockey player, but he’s only starting to show that a little bit here. I see absolutely no reason to annoint him Captaincy at this point *besides* a marketing aspect to sell jerseys to fanboys who are looking for their next Jagr. He has NOT shown himself to be a good captain elsewhere, infact, I thikn he’s proven the opposite by not taking Buffalo to the Finals last year. I literally shudder at the thought of him being our Captain. I always have, check the archives.

    FYI, nor do I think Gomez deserves it right now either. But Gomez seems to have more of a leader attitude who will get in a bitching players face and tell him to buck up. Drury seems like the kind of guy who will just stare down into his milk and hope the problem goes away.

    Sickens me how Drury is (and has been long before his recently improved play) being lined up for the C. Sends an awful meassage. He has not had to earn it. Disgusting.

  132. calling Jagr the captain is like calling captain Queeg the captain.

    he is more concerned with who stole his strawberries than if the team wins games.

  133. by the way, I agree that the next captain should be from the younger homegrown players, not any mercenaries from other teams

  134. i cant believe what i am reading…. its so sad. i give jagr a ton of respect for what he did for this franchise and he has earned lots of credit with this team. you people bashing him is just terrible. maybe i am the only real FAN on this blog. and as i am a true fan, MY captain is MY captain. You wont catch me dumping him for some stupid trade and then crying when he is out west scoring on Henrik. HAHAHAH.

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