Comments on: Is this getting old or what? http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/12/03/is-this-getting-old-or-what/ News and insight about the New York Rangers by Rick Carpiniello Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:51:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: LI Joe http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/12/03/is-this-getting-old-or-what/#comment-58422 LI Joe Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:36:25 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/12/03/is-this-getting-old-or-what/#comment-58422 Beer me - Immonen and Pock are both non events Chris - Cullen denied wanting to be traded 1 day before he was and stated emphatically that he wanted to stay. re the trade rumors - Vinny L is going no where. I want no part of Atl's Hossa. he disappears in the playoffs big time. Some of the others maybe for b prospects and maybe 1 1st rd pick since hopefully we'll be no where near the top of the draft. no a prospects like Staal no matter what. But a b like Dawes then yes. Beer me – Immonen and Pock are both non events

Chris – Cullen denied wanting to be traded 1 day before he was and stated emphatically that he wanted to stay.

re the trade rumors – Vinny L is going no where. I want no part of Atl’s Hossa. he disappears in the playoffs big time.
Some of the others maybe for b prospects and maybe 1 1st rd pick since hopefully we’ll be no where near the top of the draft. no a prospects like Staal no matter what. But a b like Dawes then yes.

]]> By: Chris F. http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/12/03/is-this-getting-old-or-what/#comment-58410 Chris F. Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:26:37 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/12/03/is-this-getting-old-or-what/#comment-58410 I hear everyone about too many chips or taking advantage, but I don't want Sather to throw out too many babies out with the bathwater. That's all. Yeah, Eklund's an idiot. I hope. Cullen didn't want to be a Ranger so why debate whether we should have kept him? I don't think any of the Ranger forwards, including Shanny, have gotten themselves "off the hook" quite yet... I hear everyone about too many chips or taking advantage, but I don’t want Sather to throw out too many babies out with the bathwater. That’s all.

Yeah, Eklund’s an idiot. I hope.

Cullen didn’t want to be a Ranger so why debate whether we should have kept him?

I don’t think any of the Ranger forwards, including Shanny, have gotten themselves “off the hook” quite yet…

]]> By: Craig http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/12/03/is-this-getting-old-or-what/#comment-58408 Craig Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:03:52 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/12/03/is-this-getting-old-or-what/#comment-58408 If we send Prucha Cally Montoya and Hossa for Lecavlier t may work out money wise, Plus Drury is really a winger and could play along side Lecavlier which would be exciting. I also here that the wings are interested in in Sundin. Its on espn.com under rumors. If we send Prucha Cally Montoya and Hossa for Lecavlier t may work out money wise, Plus Drury is really a winger and could play along side Lecavlier which would be exciting. I also here that the wings are interested in in Sundin. Its on espn.com under rumors.

]]> By: stf http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/12/03/is-this-getting-old-or-what/#comment-58403 stf Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:15:24 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/12/03/is-this-getting-old-or-what/#comment-58403 I read Brooks' article this morning but I don't get it. First of all how are we going to pay Lecavalier contract? We're up to the Salary Cup and there is no space and remember, Sather HAS to sign Henrik! Secondly, we DO NOT need another center cause there is Dubinsky, Gomez and Drury so I don't see how they'd fit Vincent in the lineup (unless somebody takes Gomez with his contract ;)). I think Marian Hossa would fit Rangers system better. We have tons in talent in the system and I have have no doubts that they'll need to trade somebody if Rangers want to take a ran for the Cup but I just don't see it in financial terms. I read Brooks’ article this morning but I don’t get it. First of all how are we going to pay Lecavalier contract? We’re up to the Salary Cup and there is no space and remember, Sather HAS to sign Henrik! Secondly, we DO NOT need another center cause there is Dubinsky, Gomez and Drury so I don’t see how they’d fit Vincent in the lineup (unless somebody takes Gomez with his contract ;)). I think Marian Hossa would fit Rangers system better. We have tons in talent in the system and I have have no doubts that they’ll need to trade somebody if Rangers want to take a ran for the Cup but I just don’t see it in financial terms.

]]> By: Beer Me! http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/12/03/is-this-getting-old-or-what/#comment-58402 Beer Me! Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:12:11 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/12/03/is-this-getting-old-or-what/#comment-58402 I agree with what you guys are saying - that it's great to have these guys in htfd, and elsewhere in the system. Hopefully our draft picks in the next 2-3 seasons will turn out the same way also. It's not broken - and it doesn't need to be "fixed". And we are up there in the top of the league. But just about every cup winner makes a minor tweak here or there to sure things up. That's all I would like to see. No blockbusters...not this year. ahhhhh - - depth. I agree with what you guys are saying – that it’s great to have these guys in htfd, and elsewhere in the system. Hopefully our draft picks in the next 2-3 seasons will turn out the same way also.
It’s not broken – and it doesn’t need to be “fixed”. And we are up there in the top of the league. But just about every cup winner makes a minor tweak here or there to sure things up. That’s all I would like to see. No blockbusters…not this year.

ahhhhh – - depth.

]]> By: New Newman http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/12/03/is-this-getting-old-or-what/#comment-58401 New Newman Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:03:04 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/12/03/is-this-getting-old-or-what/#comment-58401 Agree to some degree on your chiding of Brooks, but not wholly. The Blueshirts have a great bunch of young depth now. Some are on the team doing great and others are on the farm doing well also. We all know this. Brooks does too. Thus if there is a deal to be made in Feb that gets us one more sniper, one more role player, one more guy who can put us over the top, and some young gun had to be dealt to do it, they would be silly not to. We just took out Ottawa. They are the top in the conference. We now have to be considered in the top 3-5 in the league. (BTW, by January the Isles will be struggling to stay in the playoff hunt!) I think Brooks was saying we have bargaining chips if need be. I mean, Callahan, Prucha, and Montoya for Lecavlier in February. In a second I do that trade, no question. And I love Callahan. But I think that was Larry's point really. It's good to be in the spot we are in. One other thing, there were many Shanahan detractors here on this blog over the past few months. I think he is big time off the hook now. Please everyone, focus our efforts to something other than Shanny bashing. LGR. Agree to some degree on your chiding of Brooks, but not wholly.

The Blueshirts have a great bunch of young depth now. Some are on the team doing great and others are on the farm doing well also. We all know this. Brooks does too.

Thus if there is a deal to be made in Feb that gets us one more sniper, one more role player, one more guy who can put us over the top, and some young gun had to be dealt to do it, they would be silly not to.

We just took out Ottawa. They are the top in the conference. We now have to be considered in the top 3-5 in the league. (BTW, by January the Isles will be struggling to stay in the playoff hunt!)

I think Brooks was saying we have bargaining chips if need be. I mean, Callahan, Prucha, and Montoya for Lecavlier in February. In a second I do that trade, no question. And I love Callahan. But I think that was Larry’s point really.

It’s good to be in the spot we are in.

One other thing, there were many Shanahan detractors here on this blog over the past few months. I think he is big time off the hook now. Please everyone, focus our efforts to something other than Shanny bashing.

LGR.

]]> By: hockeymanrangers http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/12/03/is-this-getting-old-or-what/#comment-58400 hockeymanrangers Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:55:26 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/12/03/is-this-getting-old-or-what/#comment-58400 Chris F. I agree lets just keep what we got, I really like to keep my eye on the Hartford boys and watch them come up through the ranks. Man I think if these young guys play together for a bunch of years in the minors they know each other inside and out and will play together like no other. Freaking Eklund last week spoke of us trading Staal for a veteran D man. I know it is not true. And if Sather even came close to even thinking about it someone would have his head. In my eyes Staal plays like a veteran now. I don't care how many young guns we have I say KEEP THEM ALL if they buy into the system and play like the coaches want them to play keep them. Chris F. I agree lets just keep what we got, I really like to keep my eye on the Hartford boys and watch them come up through the ranks. Man I think if these young guys play together for a bunch of years in the minors they know each other inside and out and will play together like no other.

Freaking Eklund last week spoke of us trading Staal for a veteran D man. I know it is not true. And if Sather even came close to even thinking about it someone would have his head. In my eyes Staal plays like a veteran now. I don’t care how many young guns we have I say KEEP THEM ALL if they buy into the system and play like the coaches want them to play keep them.

]]> By: UKRanger http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/12/03/is-this-getting-old-or-what/#comment-58399 UKRanger Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:51:48 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/12/03/is-this-getting-old-or-what/#comment-58399 I have to agree, in part, with Uncle Larry. We do have a lot of trading chips in our good crop of youngsters, but we have to think carefully about who we want to keep and how and where they wil fit into the team in the next few seasons. Will Mike Sauer be ready next year, Bobby Sanguinetti in 2009 - will guys like Baranka and Liffiton ever be legit NHLers, what about Dawes, Moore, Bourret, Ansimov, Byers etc.. There may not be many forward positions up for grabs in the next few years - especially if Jagr and Straka re-sign, also will Shanny retire this year? Defense should open up a little next year - no Mara or Malik, maybe no Struds or Pock either, will Roszy re-sign? Also you have to consider who you are trading for and what the salary commitments are or if they are a 1-year rental is it worth it? Personally, it aint broke, it needs a little tweak and an oiled hinge here or there and we are atop the Eastern Conference - so don't try and fix it...please!! I have to agree, in part, with Uncle Larry. We do have a lot of trading chips in our good crop of youngsters, but we have to think carefully about who we want to keep and how and where they wil fit into the team in the next few seasons.
Will Mike Sauer be ready next year, Bobby Sanguinetti in 2009 – will guys like Baranka and Liffiton ever be legit NHLers, what about Dawes, Moore, Bourret, Ansimov, Byers etc.. There may not be many forward positions up for grabs in the next few years – especially if Jagr and Straka re-sign, also will Shanny retire this year? Defense should open up a little next year – no Mara or Malik, maybe no Struds or Pock either, will Roszy re-sign?

Also you have to consider who you are trading for and what the salary commitments are or if they are a 1-year rental is it worth it?

Personally, it aint broke, it needs a little tweak and an oiled hinge here or there and we are atop the Eastern Conference – so don’t try and fix it…please!!

]]> By: Chris F. http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/12/03/is-this-getting-old-or-what/#comment-58398 Chris F. Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:47:40 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/12/03/is-this-getting-old-or-what/#comment-58398 Of course there are vets who make trades or big money signings a must, but how satisfying has it been to watch Girardi and Tyutin deliver, to watch Staal start to shine, and to see Hank hone the stellar talent he showed in the Swedish league? Each way better than getting an established vet, in my opinion. Of course there are vets who make trades or big money signings a must, but how satisfying has it been to watch Girardi and Tyutin deliver, to watch Staal start to shine, and to see Hank hone the stellar talent he showed in the Swedish league? Each way better than getting an established vet, in my opinion.

]]> By: Beer Me! http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/12/03/is-this-getting-old-or-what/#comment-58397 Beer Me! Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:47:05 +0000 http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/12/03/is-this-getting-old-or-what/#comment-58397 Chris F - I read that article today too. I just always have to repeat in my head while reading (Larry Brooks wrote this, Larry Brooks wrote this...etc.) Unfortunately I totally see what he's saying. And extremely unfortunate that he is partly right. To add to his thoughts - there will come a time that we almost HAVE to trade some youth. We simply can't hang onto them until they get frustrated and leave for europe (immonen as an example, and I think Pock won't be far behind). We also can't bring everyone up. There's just not enough space, and despite how interesting an experiment it would be, you can't ice a team of guys that are ALL under 30. So that's my shameful, but only partial, agreement with Brooks. And the old saying is often true - "get while the gettin's good". (but not hastefully) Chris F – I read that article today too. I just always have to repeat in my head while reading (Larry Brooks wrote this, Larry Brooks wrote this…etc.) Unfortunately I totally see what he’s saying. And extremely unfortunate that he is partly right.
To add to his thoughts – there will come a time that we almost HAVE to trade some youth. We simply can’t hang onto them until they get frustrated and leave for europe (immonen as an example, and I think Pock won’t be far behind). We also can’t bring everyone up. There’s just not enough space, and despite how interesting an experiment it would be, you can’t ice a team of guys that are ALL under 30.
So that’s my shameful, but only partial, agreement with Brooks. And the old saying is often true – “get while the gettin’s good”. (but not hastefully)

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