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		<title>By: Spiderpig</title>
		<link>http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/10/05/midnight-adventure/#comment-53528</link>
		<dc:creator>Spiderpig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got home in time to watch the final half of Rangers in 60. I can&#039;t understand why they changed to &quot;in 60&quot; at 4:00 rather than the whole game they showed at that time last season, which will really annoy me if I want to see the game again. Anyway, that third period was really good, especially the power play just after the halfway point, even though they didn&#039;t score and Avery missed the net horribly. Good to hear the cheers for Malik after his third assist, even though they sounded kinda sarcastic. After seeing the good replays on TV, it&#039;s clear to me that he intentionally looked to the boards to bounce the puck, a little home ice advantage there. I also heard the announcers pointing out a deficient play, so I can&#039;t see where some of you are coming from, calling them shills, at least they&#039;re not all the time.

I suppose we will have to listen to Crispino on Saturday?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got home in time to watch the final half of Rangers in 60. I can&#8217;t understand why they changed to &#8220;in 60&#8221; at 4:00 rather than the whole game they showed at that time last season, which will really annoy me if I want to see the game again. Anyway, that third period was really good, especially the power play just after the halfway point, even though they didn&#8217;t score and Avery missed the net horribly. Good to hear the cheers for Malik after his third assist, even though they sounded kinda sarcastic. After seeing the good replays on TV, it&#8217;s clear to me that he intentionally looked to the boards to bounce the puck, a little home ice advantage there. I also heard the announcers pointing out a deficient play, so I can&#8217;t see where some of you are coming from, calling them shills, at least they&#8217;re not all the time.</p>
<p>I suppose we will have to listen to Crispino on Saturday?</p>
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		<title>By: Ted aka Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/10/05/midnight-adventure/#comment-53499</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted aka Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to some earlier posts about Malik&#039;s shot on Straka&#039;s goal, after just watching the replay there is no way that was not done on purpose. There was a huge crowd between Malik and the net and knowing your home ice boards Malik knew that shot would carry to the front. Cheers to Malik for a great game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to some earlier posts about Malik&#8217;s shot on Straka&#8217;s goal, after just watching the replay there is no way that was not done on purpose. There was a huge crowd between Malik and the net and knowing your home ice boards Malik knew that shot would carry to the front. Cheers to Malik for a great game.</p>
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		<title>By: Nasty 1</title>
		<link>http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/10/05/midnight-adventure/#comment-53489</link>
		<dc:creator>Nasty 1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do like this team sticking up for each other.  It took for the game in Washington last year when Shanny fought Brashear for that to start happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do like this team sticking up for each other.  It took for the game in Washington last year when Shanny fought Brashear for that to start happening.</p>
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		<title>By: Nasty 1</title>
		<link>http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/10/05/midnight-adventure/#comment-53488</link>
		<dc:creator>Nasty 1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely have been saying since last year that I see a place on the team for Malik and Hossa since last season, and I will stand by that.  If you don&#039;t agree that is fine, I am not saying anyone has to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely have been saying since last year that I see a place on the team for Malik and Hossa since last season, and I will stand by that.  If you don&#8217;t agree that is fine, I am not saying anyone has to.</p>
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		<title>By: Nasty 1</title>
		<link>http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/10/05/midnight-adventure/#comment-53487</link>
		<dc:creator>Nasty 1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AS for everyone sticking up for Malik now; I definitely always felt bad for the guy.  I am just saying that I never hated him in the past and I don&#039;t hate the guy now.  Simple as that.  Yes he makes mistakes, sometimes awful ones, but he does some good things too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AS for everyone sticking up for Malik now; I definitely always felt bad for the guy.  I am just saying that I never hated him in the past and I don&#8217;t hate the guy now.  Simple as that.  Yes he makes mistakes, sometimes awful ones, but he does some good things too.</p>
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		<title>By: Robby Bonfire</title>
		<link>http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/10/05/midnight-adventure/#comment-53486</link>
		<dc:creator>Robby Bonfire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I can&#039;t see how Prucha and Callahan get the same amount (of points), because, by your own admission, earlier, the game-tying goal is more important than the goal when the team is already ahead.&quot;  

Fair question/observation - so let&#039;s take a look at this...

Rangers even-strength goals opening night -

ROZSIVAL..  from 0-0 score to 1-0  =  89 points.  (I do tab D&#039;s here, also)

PRUCHA......from 1-2 score to 2-2   =  55 points.

DRURY....... from 2-2 score to 3-2   =  89 points.

CALLAHAN..from 3-2 score to 4-2  =  55 points.

STRAKA......from 4-2 score to 5-2  =   34 points.

The big question, generated by the above values is the equal number of
points alloted both Prucha and Callahan.  My (arbitrary) values begin with the foundational premise that the most-important goal in a game is a tie-breaker, and of course you can have more than one tie-breaker goal in a game, as Rozsival and Drury each registered a tie-breaker on opening night.

As the score drifts up or down from the level of a team going from tied to leading by one goal, the values diminish.  When the Rangers were trailing 1-2, had the opposition scored, instead of Prucha, the deficit would have been 1-3 = two goals, instead of a tie, a big difference.  So instead of down two goals, thanks to Prucha the game became tied.

In the case of Callahan, the Rangers went from 3-2 to a 4-2 lead.  Had the opposition scored, instead of Callahan scoring, we are back in a tie.  So Prucha gave us a tie, whereas Callahan prevented the oppostion from getting back into a tie, thus the equivalent value of 55 points to each.

Again, all values fall away, on a consistent basis, from the highest value of going from a tie to a one goal lead.  That Drury&#039;s goal was more important than Straka&#039;s is indisputable, in that given the 4-2 lead at the time of Straka&#039;s goal, the opposition would have to score three straight goals and then hold on to beat us.  There is approximately one chance in eight (7-1 odds against) of that happening.  When the game was tied, before Drury&#039;s goal, one goal there by the opposition could have been their game-winner.

No system has to be perfect to have fundamental merit, if it is in the ballpark.  Mine can be tinkered with, maybe even improved.  Again, I just want to know who scores when the game is tied, and who scores when the game is already decided and the score goes from 5-1 to 5-2, and have a points system which recognizes and rewards and penalizes the difference according to the importance of each (even-strength) goal.  Power play goals are another study, which someone else can do, I am primarily interested in how players perform when they do not have an advantage, which, to me, is the biggest test of skill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I can&#8217;t see how Prucha and Callahan get the same amount (of points), because, by your own admission, earlier, the game-tying goal is more important than the goal when the team is already ahead.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Fair question/observation &#8211; so let&#8217;s take a look at this&#8230;</p>
<p>Rangers even-strength goals opening night &#8211; <br />
ROZSIVAL..  from 0-0 score to 1-0  =  89 points.  (I do tab D&#8217;s here, also)</p>
<p>PRUCHA&#8230;...from 1-2 score to 2-2   =  55 points.</p>
<p>DRURY&#8230;.... from 2-2 score to 3-2   =  89 points.</p>
<p>CALLAHAN..from 3-2 score to 4-2  =  55 points.</p>
<p>STRAKA&#8230;...from 4-2 score to 5-2  =   34 points.</p>
<p>The big question, generated by the above values is the equal number of<br />
points alloted both Prucha and Callahan.  My (arbitrary) values begin with the foundational premise that the most-important goal in a game is a tie-breaker, and of course you can have more than one tie-breaker goal in a game, as Rozsival and Drury each registered a tie-breaker on opening night.</p>
<p>As the score drifts up or down from the level of a team going from tied to leading by one goal, the values diminish.  When the Rangers were trailing 1-2, had the opposition scored, instead of Prucha, the deficit would have been 1-3 = two goals, instead of a tie, a big difference.  So instead of down two goals, thanks to Prucha the game became tied.</p>
<p>In the case of Callahan, the Rangers went from 3-2 to a 4-2 lead.  Had the opposition scored, instead of Callahan scoring, we are back in a tie.  So Prucha gave us a tie, whereas Callahan prevented the oppostion from getting back into a tie, thus the equivalent value of 55 points to each.</p>
<p>Again, all values fall away, on a consistent basis, from the highest value of going from a tie to a one goal lead.  That Drury&#8217;s goal was more important than Straka&#8217;s is indisputable, in that given the 4-2 lead at the time of Straka&#8217;s goal, the opposition would have to score three straight goals and then hold on to beat us.  There is approximately one chance in eight (7-1 odds against) of that happening.  When the game was tied, before Drury&#8217;s goal, one goal there by the opposition could have been their game-winner.</p>
<p>No system has to be perfect to have fundamental merit, if it is in the ballpark.  Mine can be tinkered with, maybe even improved.  Again, I just want to know who scores when the game is tied, and who scores when the game is already decided and the score goes from 5-1 to 5-2, and have a points system which recognizes and rewards and penalizes the difference according to the importance of each (even-strength) goal.  Power play goals are another study, which someone else can do, I am primarily interested in how players perform when they do not have an advantage, which, to me, is the biggest test of skill.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
		<link>http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/10/05/midnight-adventure/#comment-53485</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, as self-depricating as ever...</description>
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		<title>By: martyd</title>
		<link>http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/10/05/midnight-adventure/#comment-53484</link>
		<dc:creator>martyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Growing pains are fine when you are winning. Winning buys you time to let the kids learn. I rather make mistakes now then in March and April.

Let&#039;s Go Rangers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Growing pains are fine when you are winning. Winning buys you time to let the kids learn. I rather make mistakes now then in March and April.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s Go Rangers!</p>
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		<title>By: imagination</title>
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		<dc:creator>imagination</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>suicide boy must be still sleeping it off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>suicide boy must be still sleeping it off.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/10/05/midnight-adventure/#comment-53482</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hopefully avery will not be kept on the 2nd powerplay unit, callahan should definitely be there. as a whole I thought the 2nd line looked out of sync the whole nite, only one game so have to give them time, but it would seem that prucha would be a better fit with gomez than avery as avery and shanny cant keep up with gomez</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hopefully avery will not be kept on the 2nd powerplay unit, callahan should definitely be there. as a whole I thought the 2nd line looked out of sync the whole nite, only one game so have to give them time, but it would seem that prucha would be a better fit with gomez than avery as avery and shanny cant keep up with gomez</p>
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