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If the plan for the Rangers was to treat these final two games as dress rehearsals for the regular season, they’ll have to do so tonight without their leading man.

That means no Jaromir Jagr tonight against the Islanders thanks to a hip flexor.

Tom Renney downplayed it, and Jagr himself came on the ice late during the morning skate and skated lightly for more than 20 minutes (the injury apparently was caused by Jagr pushing himself too hard in extra skating sessions). The plan is for the captain to still play in tomorrow night’s preseason finale in Philly, but that, too, could change.

It appears the Rangers are being cautious with keeping Jagr out of the lineup, and it’s certainly better to have him out tonight as opposed to Thursday in the season opener. But given the Rangers sluggish start to the preseason, and the need to develop some chemistry both at even strength and on the power play, it’s at least a small setback.

Some other notes:

  • What this does for the forward lines remains in question since Renney said he’s still mulling things over. The team is also being cautious with Sean Avery, who will miss his third straight game with a groin injury. The other forward scratch is Artem Anisimov, who is expected to stay with the team through the preseason before likely being sent to Hartfoird.
  • Paul Mara and Thomas Pock are the scratches at defense. Tonight’s pairings: Marc Staal with Jason Strudwick; Fedor Tyutin with Dan Girardi; and Marek Malik with Michal Rozsival. Henrik Lundqvist i expected to play the whole game in net. Unless there’s another fight, of course. Speaking of which….
  • Word from the Island is that neither Chris Simon and Rick DiPietro will play tonight. You would assume this would mean fewer fireworks than Monday. But I doubt the game will be incident-free.
  • Finally, strange sight of the day: Avery wielding an electric razor and shaving Marcel Hossa’s head in the training room. “You don’t want to know,” Renney said.

    More in a bit…

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    1. hockeymanrangers on

      Ok this answers my question from a previous post, as I asked if anyone thought we would get a true idea TONIGHT of how we will actually do in the begining of the season. I guess maybe we still might get an idea but just with out Jags and Avery. Thursday’s game can not come soon enough for me. I am very curious as to how we are going to do this year, I think we may struggle a little in the first part of the season. Anyone else feel the same????

    2. I wouldnt be surprised if we struggle in the beginning, just dont get down on it. I remember that alot of fans were really dissapointed and complaining alot in the beginning of last season, and it made me want to stop reading the things most people said, so i hid untill they turned their season around!

    3. hockeymanrangers on

      jaggodr I know what you mean, people get crazy when it comes to any of their fav teams. I try to not to get caught up in it all. I have found that I enjoy the season more if I just kind of sit back and watch and know they are doing their best. Yea I may scream at the TV occasionally but this is what I try not to do. Hopefully it won’t take the new and the old players to long to get a rythem down and start to gel not to far into the season. Because we all know come April it always comes down to the wire. Is it game day yet???

    4. hossa shaving his head is the least of my concerns. this team is looking at having malik as a top pair d-man with roszival, who, while productive last year shouldn’t be a top d man. especially with malik as his partner. then we’re going to have marc staal, a potential star, but still a rookie, alongisde jason strudwick? the slowest skater on the face of planet earth. lord only knows how many turn overs and odd man rushes those two will give up. and jags…i love your determination man, but please, calm down until the season starts. these injuries are more frustrating than anything. we need everybody healthy and some cohesion being built.

    5. Doodie Machetto on

      I’m interested to see what he comes up with on the forward lines. What I would like to see:

      Prucha-Drury-Shanahan
      Hossa-Gomez-Callahan
      Straka-Dubinsky-Dawes
      Hollweg-Betts-Orr

      In making those lines up, it dawned on me that we have a serious glut of left wings, and are thin on the guys who can play right.

      I really want to see Prucha-Drury-Shanahan because I thought that the downfall of Prucha-Cullen-Shanahan was definitely the fact that Cullen wasn’t that good. I’d love to see a good center in between Prucha and shanny and see what happens. Gomez would work too, except that With how bad Prucha is defensively and how old Shanny’s legs are, I’d like the more defensively responsible Drury.

    6. does this mean that renney is going to keep mara and pcck together, which means staal might be on the way down

    7. hockeymanrangers on

      Matt who knows with Mr.Renny behind the bench (wait Mr. Renny way to much respect) who know with Renny behind the bench he does have a history of not playing the young guys unless he abslutley has to. Look how long it took him to get Calahan up, and then he kicked butt. I would realy like to see Staal stay up he may have a slight learning curv but in my book you can’t that in Hartford. I sure hope we play good sound hockey tonight limited fighting so we can actually work on 5 on 5. And start getting a rythem. How the heck to you spell rytham????

    8. RHYTHM.

      And for the 20th time, here, Slats – the man upstairs- is the GM, not Renney. ALL personnel moves are made by the GM, with the coach having limited – by invitation only – input. GOT IT! (I doubt it.)

    9. Strudwick is the WORST GD D here, since OZO-snort. Why the hell can’t this GM move the fuk on from this turkey? Pock should not sit so this clown can play. Just NUTS!

    10. hockeymanrangers on

      Bonfire, you very well could be correct maybe it is Sather, but if it’s true I find that hard to believe that a GM has that much more power than the coach. I am not saying your wrong, I just find that hard to believe. Are we going to see a good game tonight???

    11. hockeymanrangers (Rythm) the comment about Renney not playing kids is ridiculous. He’s played more youth than any coach for the Rangers that I can remember since maybe Herb Brooks. I get it, you don’t like him. Regulars In our lineup the past two seasons: Moore, Ortmeyer, Hollweg, Prucha, Callahan, Girardi, Tyutin, Lundquist, Orr, Hossa. Part Time youth: Kondratiev, Dawes, Immonen, Pock, Dubinsky. This is not the “Grey Shirts” of the years before.

    12. “And for the 20th time, here, Slats – the man upstairs- is the GM, not Renney. ALL personnel moves are made by the GM, with the coach having limited – by invitation only – input. GOT IT! (I doubt it.)”

      you are wrong, Sather listens to Renney, and Hyena likely is capable of convinsing the old fart on almost every issue.

      “hockeymanrangers (Rythm) the comment about Renney not playing kids is ridiculous. He’s played more youth than any coach for the Rangers that I can remember since maybe Herb Brooks.”

      but we never had even close to so much quantity and quality in terms of young players. And give me a break, if not for injuries Girardi and Callahan wouldn’t be here. What other youth did Renney really play? Watch many teams trust teens, while Renney still doesn’t trust 23 year olds.

    13. Oh-a-my-a-God! Strudwick with Staal?! This means Staal will be in Hartford. I hope this game is on the “Islanders TV” website so I can see it tonight since I don’t have MSG at college.

      I would like to see Prucha on the 2nd line to begin the season, also, because I think Straka – Prucha – Callahan, although feisty, is too small, and will get roughed up, as someone mentioned a couple days ago. Prucha and Shanny with Drury or Gomez in between. I’d really like Prucha on the first line, but I think Renney has given up on that aside from changing lines during a game. I think Drury would work better with Shanahan than Jagr but that Gomez could work in either spot.

      Colorado Mark – nice try, but Bonfire had the right “rhythm”

    14. dam…no deepee tonight…i wudda loved to see hank kick his ass….

      But im not disappointed about simon…the game wouldn’t be fun without Avery anyway

    15. hockeymanrangers on

      Colorado Mark, Ok I guess your right this is the second time I have been caught on this. But why last year did he wait so long to bring up Callahan and earlier in the season we picked some other loser (can’t think of his name) that played like 2 games and we sent himn packing. I guess I just don’t remember, it seemd like Renny was being stubborn about bringing up young players at that time. I was not the only one that wished he had brougt either Dubi or Callahan toward the end of the season last year, when we had a problem with offence. But your right we have started a lot of young bucks thanks for setting me straight.

    16. Happy to not see Simon in there injuring our players. He will be out of the first regular season NYr vs. NYI game, too

      I would guess that 80-90% of youth gets their shot due to injury. It’s not a big deal. Just the fact that they are with the team this late in preseason is the telling factor. Like I said before, if you get rid of a veteran who is still well-performing and replace him with your top prospect, then if the prospect plays badly, you have a lesser talent in line behind him, possibly too young. This is what the AHL is for – replacing the ineffectiveness and injuries. All the old guys we have on this team, save the fourth line, have shown that they can perform in the NHL, so they are given the benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise. Every team besides those that are rebuilding manages this way, and sometimes, like Pittsburgh, they hit the jackpot with the talent they are using to rebuild.

    17. hockeymanrangers – Good point about the crap that comes through in-season; I neglected that in my post. That is what really bothers me when those players come through waivers (Krog) or old guys in the AHL (Isbister) and are used instead of prospects. What happens when the injured lpayers return? Those replacements will just go away rather than a prospects who stays in the system and goes back to the AHL.

    18. 1. Renney isn’t the GM, he’s the coach. Sather makes decisions on who to claim, although I am sure that Renney has input.
      2. We played losers like Krog, but eventually got rid of them. Mark Smith did not make the team this year, and it looks like Dubinsky will start as our 3rd line center.
      3. Callahan had a terrible camp last year and was the only contract player not to play in the Blue White game. Sure, his recall might have been a while, but he came in with confidence after dominating the AHL. I don’t see how that’s a bad thing. (Also , Renney doesn’t recall players)
      4. I am a firm believer that bringing in youth at the end of a season gives an extra adreniline rush and throws something different at the opposition come playoff time. Callahan, Griradi and Avery gave us a shot of youth that propelled us to a strong finish. If Staal or any kid gets sent down it would be an error to think they wouldn’t come back more determined to stay up for good.

    19. The Isbister trade was upsetting to some people (myself included), but when The Rangers traded for him and assigned him to Hartford, the Wolfpack turned around their season. Isbister was a servicable part for the Rangers when needed. They needed a veteran presence down there and he provided that. Krog is another story.

    20. Lundqvist got a shot because Weekes got hurt. Callahan got a shot because Hossa got hurt. Girardi got a shot because Tyutin got hurt. Ortmeyer was never youth, he was called up at 26. Moore made the team because expectations were low and he was basically a roster spot filled.

      Point being, the youth only gets a shot here as a last resort, and that isn’t the way it should be. The best player currently available should make the team, whether or not the player is 18, 28, or 38. That rarely happens on the Rangers. Renney is loyal to the resume, rather than the current performance.

    21. “We played losers like Krog, but eventually got rid of them.”

      but instead we should have let prospects play like most other teams do.

      “it looks like Dubinsky will start as our 3rd line center.”

      all it takes is one bad game and he is out of here

      “Callahan had a terrible camp last year”

      Greg Moore and Baranka had a great camp last season, where are they now? Out of sight, out of mind. Not even a single NHL game for them yet.

      ” I am a firm believer that bringing in youth at the end of a season gives an extra adreniline rush and throws something different at the opposition come playoff time. Callahan, Griradi and Avery gave us a shot of youth that propelled us to a strong finish. If Staal or any kid gets sent down it would be an error to think they wouldn’t come back more determined to stay up for good.”

      I believe in starting the season with youth and be commited to them and filling in injuries with more youth.

    22. Colorado Mark – That’s exactly the issue! When players like Krog come in, they most often leave the organization when they are not needed anymore. Why not give someone in the organization a shot at those handful of games instead? I don’t care how Isbister did in Hartford; if he turned their season around he should have stayed there, or at least gone back sooner when it was proven he couldn’t even score on the top line. And where is he now? Gone as well. It’s not like we lost any prospects with potential during the offseason.

    23. “The Rangers traded for him and assigned him to Hartford, the Wolfpack turned around their season.”

      not because of Isbister, so it is irrelevant. Also success in AHL does not mean success in NHL.

    24. ORR Punch Survivor....Barely!!! on

      Speaking of Isbister…He got into a fight in the last ore season game…NYR gave him balls….he’s scoring last minute goals, getting into fights, shooting pucks at his goaltenders neck. He still sucks.

      Hopefully Jags will be alright. For the first time in his career, he’s played back to back 82 game seasons. He’s only played 1 other in PIT.

    25. a total of 64 man games were used up last season on players who are absolute garbage. 113 if we count Hall.

      those games could have been used to develop young players in NHL.

      in 05/06 they wasted even more on crap like Rucchin, Strudwick, and Nieminen.

    26. Yenner, you are absolutely right. The kids have and know what it takes to win. It is a *crime* that Baranka is not a top 4 defenseman on the big club, *crime* I tell you. You are right, man. It’s all clear to me now, and I feel amazing now that I can see the light. Hopefully Sam will bring this reasoning to the front office, *together* we can make a difference and impeach the that metrosexual-hyena who cost us the Stanley Cup last year and his little marionette in Slats.

      Thank you for showing us the light, and pressing onward with your new vision for this organization. When everyone doubted you…you worked harder. You are a true leader. Thank you.

    27. folks this isn’t golf it’s hockey. some of you act like an injury in hockey is a rare occurance. therefore when a player gets in because of an injured player that doesn’t count. news flash – hockey is a rough game and players get hurt all the time. and the amt of time Callahan and Girardi played in April and May counts for more than the whole part of the season they missed being up in the big show. also players develop in the AHL all the time. The devils do it all the time.

      Yenner – your quote “Also success in AHL does not mean success in NHL”. does that mean you’re not on the Dawes bandwagon or are you another one who selectively uses statements and stats to suit your line of reasoning.

    28. SALTED that’s the only way, follow yenner he knows all. So kids that are good in the AHL might not be good in the NHL, bring them up, replace vets to find out they are ng. Now there’s a plan. Keep those kids coming up. Why waste $ on them. Up & out. Get new ones.

    29. I never really was on Dawes bandwagon.

      “folks this isn’t golf it’s hockey. some of you act like an injury in hockey is a rare occurance.”

      who acts like it is a rare occurance?

      “Yenner, you are absolutely right. The kids have and know what it takes to win. It is a crime that Baranka is not a top 4 defenseman on the big club, crime I tell you. You are right, man. It’s all clear to me now, and I feel amazing now that I can see the light. Hopefully Sam will bring this reasoning to the front office, together we can make a difference and impeach the that metrosexual-hyena who cost us the Stanley Cup last year and his little marionette in Slats.”

      Salted you are absolutely right–Girardi, Callahan, Montoya and Staal are not ready and need to go back to AHL for another 2 years before they can be trusted with 5 minutes a game in NHL. Thank you for showing us the light, and pressing onward with your new vision for this organization. When everyone doubted you…you worked harder. You are a true leader. Thank you.

    30. make Ken Gernander coach of the NYR NOW! Fire Sather & Renney, promote Schoenfeld. Trade Jagr, Straka, Gomez, Drury, Malik, Shanahan , get plenty of kids & picks. REBUILD !

    31. change the name New York Wolfpack get rid of the Ranger name with the mercenaries, non-home grown, and plain OLD vets. Start FRESH!

    32. Bonfire – For once, we agree. I confess I’ve softened my stance against Struds, but he really is a horendous defensmen. His only asset is size.

      Colorado Mark – I wouldn’t say Isbister’s arrival on the Pack didn’t galvanize the team. I think they just settled into a groove. Keep in mind, most of the team were first-year players last season. The just needed some time to gel.

      …As for guys skating two and three seasons in the AHL, I see absolutley no problem with it, as long as there’s a competent coaching staff in Hartford(which there is). Take a look at last season’s Buffalo team. Much of it was home-grown and many of the players on the roster skated two and three seasons in Rochester. The best example is Jason Pominville, who scored 34 goals and 68 points last year. He skated three FULL seasons and started a fourth before making the Sabres. Same thing with Ryan Miller. The best part about developing guys in on the farm is that they come up to the team with chemistry.

    33. “The best example is Jason Pominville, who scored 34 goals and 68 points last year.”

      if not for the lockout, he likely would only play 2 years in AHL. But yes, there is no big problem playing 3 years in AHL. But not in case of Immonen who already was 23. Liffiton spent 3 years in AHL, and is not being trusted. Helminen, Wiseman, Weller spent 3 or more years in AHL and weren’t given a chance.

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