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They are: goaltenders Chris Holt and Matt Zaba; defensemen Clayton Barthel, Corey Potter and Jake Taylor; and forwards Joe Barnes, Alex Bourret, Brodie Dupont, Mitch Fritz, Bruce Graham, Greg Moore, and Jordan Owens.

The only real surprise in my eyes is Bourret, and I go back to my earlier suspicion that something isn’t right there. If it was merely a bruised shoulder keeping him from playing, I’d think they’d have kept him around.

Of smaller significance is the early demotion of Greg Moore, who had a strong camp last year and saw action in a few exhibition games.

What’s also telling is that while Bobby Sanguinetti is destined to head back to juniors, the Rangers have opted to keep him around a little longer.

Meanwhile, the questions have rolled in about how Marc Staal looks. Here’s the short answer: Solid but unspectacular. Here’s the long answer: A year ago, Staal said he may have been “guilty of trying to do too much on the ice”:http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070918/SPORTS01/709180368/1034/SPORTS, and he got away from his strengths.

Bear in mind this is not a flashy player but a classic stay-at-home, first-pass defenseman. Staal has some offensive ability but it seems like he’s going out of his way to temper that in order to not be caught out of position. He’s succeeded in that regard, but the result is he hasn’t really stood out, either.

Finally, congratulations are in order to Friend of the Blog Stan Fischler, who along with Brian Leetch, Cammi Granato and former Rangers PR man John Halligan, was named a recipient of the 2007 Lester Patrick Award for outstanding service to hockey in the United States.

Well done, Stan, and well deserved.

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  1. i disagree sam. why keep around a player that can’t play? let him get back to hartford and rehab before their camp…otherwise a waste of time

  2. ORR Kicks Yin Yang.....Once Again!!!! on

    Damn that sucks, thats a friggin shame. I was hoping to see him skate with the big boys in pre season.

    SAM

    How’d he get injured??

    Does anyone why know why the hell Chris Simon is playing in the last 2 pre season games for the Isles, he shouldnt be allowed to play any hockey until his suspension is over.

    Orr will kick his Yin Yang when NYR verses NYI

  3. Why shouldn’t Simon be allowed to play? He has to prepare for the seson just like anybody else. His suspension only goes towards the games that count. If they suspended him in preseason, his suspension would be over before the preseason began.

  4. czechthemout!!!!! on

    about a week ago i posted that mark smith would be this years version of krog and shitsbister all in one.i am now predicting that despite the fact that he’s been according to dubi over at bb awful and outplayed by both aa and dubinsky at center,that he will make the team this year as the fourth line center,and betts will be the third line center.that of course stop the progress of both prucha and callahan because betts has zero offensive ability and it will also hurt the morale of the kids who will once again see some who has been outplayed make the team soley because he is a vet from another team and a washed up one at that.
    same old renney.to those who think that i’m wrong,time will tell.

  5. Whoops, “before the *regular season* began, I should say.

    czechthemout – I’ve been meaning to ask you this for a while: Is it possible that you could use capital letters and spaces between punctuation? Your posts are often hard to read clearly.

  6. hoof and mouth disease on

    czech there is zero indication that’s Betts will move to 3rd line center. Renney will go with Straka, Prucha, Callihan for his 3rd line. Dawes will make the team giving 13 forwards, they’ll carry 8 D until a move can be made.

  7. According to Nyrangers.com they have 39 guys left in camp and here is the list

    Goaltenders — Henrik Lundqvist, Al Montoya, Steve Valiquette, and Miika Wiikman

    Defense — Ivan Baranka, Dan Girardi, Andrew Hutchinson, Darius Kasparaitis, David Liffiton, Marek Malik, Paul Mara, Thomas Pock, Michal Rozsival, Bobby Sanguinetti, Michael Sauer, Marc Staal, Jason Strudwick, and Fedor Tyutin.

    Forwards — Artem Anisimov, Sean Avery, Blair Betts, Dane Byers, Ryan Callahan, Nigel Dawes, Chris Drury, Brandon Dubinsky, Scott Gomez, Ryan Hollweg, Marcel Hossa, Jaromir Jagr, Hugh Jessiman, Lauri Korpikoski, Francis Lessard, Colton Orr, Petr Prucha, Tom Pyatt, Mark Smith, Martin Straka, and Brendan Shanahan.

    So 16 more cuts to come before opening night.

  8. Doodie Machetto on

    Damn it! I had a big post and it didn’t go through and I lost it. Well, here’s only a little bit from a fantasy writer at espn.com, talking about Roszi as a sleeper pick:

    “Michal Rozsival, D, Rangers: Like Rodney Dangerfield, Rozsival gets no respect, no respect at all. He improved from a 30-point player in 2005-06 to a 40-point player last season, and with the revamped Rangers team he has to work with, his ceiling is yet to come. Rozsival will generate No. 1 defenseman stats this season on a terrific power play. Contrary to popular belief, there are few challengers as power-play quarterbacks on Broadway. Paul Mara has a big shot, not the ability to move the puck around. So Mara needs to contend with Brendan Shanahan for power-play time, not Rozsival. Even Marc Staal gets most of his points from smart breakout passes, not with the man advantage. No, Rozsival is this team’s answer on the blue line whenever an opponent is in the box. Draft Rozsival as a No. 2 defenseman and laugh all the way to the bank as he quickly proves to be a No. 1. ”

    I can only hope. It’s also funny that he assumes Staal will be on the roster.

  9. czechthemout!!!!! on

    spiderpig-I hope you are not being disrespectful,i can’t tell by your response.If your not,i will say that this blog is not english class,and i try to respond or post quickly and not have to worry about trivial things like caps and spaces.I will try though as much as possible.If you are being a smart ass than don’t read my posts.

  10. czechthemout!!!!! on

    hoof and mouth disease-Just because their is no indicaton of such a thing does not mean that it won’t happen.Last year,no thought krog or shitsbister would be on the team as well.We’ll see Hoof.

  11. Doodie, that’s a good read about Roszival. I’ve been saying for a long time now that he is extrememly underrated.

  12. czechthemout – I’m glad you took it that way. It’s just that sometimes I keep reading, then something doesn’t make sense because I missed a period in a post of yours. Your posts are generally well-informed; I just think it would help if they were written that way.

  13. Doodie Machetto on

    CTO, I saw a shirt the other day that read “Czech Me Out!” and I thought I should tell you so that you could commence the trademark infringement lawsuit

  14. ORR Kicks Yin Yang.....Once Again!!!! on

    CZECH

    There’s a big difference between this year and last year. Last year, we were not like how we are now.

    Trust me. This guy will not be in the lineup this season. I am willing to bet my left damn nut. IT WONT HAPPEN. We have a bigger shot to win the cup then ever before with the guys on this team. Artie, Dubi, Cally, Straka or who ever will take that spot.

  15. czechthemout!!!!! on

    Doodie Machetto -I already get royalties from those t-shirts but thanks for thinking of me.

    hoof-never,what i’m expieriencing is renneynoia and for good reason.just look at last season. krog,bozo,jward,ahall,shitsbister,can yuo blame me?

  16. Mark Smith is gonna babysit the guys in Hartford with Kaspar. I mean, Weller and Purinton are gone, so who is a vet on the team: Liffiton? You need to have some vets.

  17. Doodie Machetto on

    I’d actually be surprised if they sign him. Yeah, he’d be a good vet for Hartford, but I think they invited him just to round out the rosters in training camp. Maybe they’ll reward him with a minor league contract. But I really REALLY doubt that they sign him to play for the big club, barring injuries to Gomez, Drury, and Straka at the same time.

  18. Doodie Machetto on

    Oh, an injury to Blair Betts might bring him up sooner, but I would prefer he get those whopping 8 minutes next to Orrwegg than waste Dubinsky or Anisimov’s time.

  19. Elk Attack Survivor on

    It is ridiculous that Bourret, Potter and Moore get cut, while Lessard who is trying to injure people is still there, as well as garbage like Hutchinson and Strudwick.

  20. Elk Attack Survivor on

    “hoof-never,what i’m expieriencing is renneynoia and for good reason.just look at last season. krog,bozo,jward,ahall,shitsbister,can yuo blame me?”

    and worst of all was the cowardly Strudwick signing instead of trusting a good young player like Liffiton.

  21. czechthemout!!!!! on

    and what is even scarier is that some writers are already penciling strudwick as the number 6 and pock and hutch as number 7 and 8.in all seriousness,i think the real darkhorse to make the team might be tommy pyatt if he shows well in the preseason games.

  22. Elk Attack Survivor on

    Renney said in the interview that he made a note to himself that Sanguinetti will play in NHL. Can we fire this idiot already?

    Whay is nobody asking tough questions–like why don’t rookies don’t get the chance to outplay vets, and what will happen when they outplay vets?

    I am so sick and tired of these garbage players like Orr, Strudwick, Pock, Hutchinson, Betts, etc. that they put in the spots that should go to good prospects

  23. The good prospects get a chance in the Sather system when a vet gets injured – IF – there is no junk of the Dupuis – Krog – Isbister ilk out there to tap first. Not reassuring, is it? You would think, after the Callahan “discovery” and the Lundqvist successful injury replacement jackpots they hit, the brass woud be more open to throwing out the old smelly fish sooner, rather than later.

    Strudwick over Staal coming out of camp? It could still happen, even if Staal looks like a lock for the Calder Trophy and a contender for the Norris.

  24. czechthemout!!!!! on

    Yeah,i thought that comment about sags was strange.that was some profound thought that came to renney.although i will say that sam tried some questions about sauer,and someone else i can’t recall who though.And Renney danced around the question except when talking about sauer,he said something to the effect that sauer has been good but not spectacular and that this is only his first camp.I guess you cannot under any circumstance make this team if you are in your first camp.

  25. Elk Attack Survivor on

    there has to be like 4-5 players injured at the same time for rookies to get 2 minutes on the 4th line.

  26. What’s Baranka’s deal?
    Other than him being injured all the time, that is.

    Now that he is healthy, does he stand a chance?
    Most of his past injuries I believe were fluke injuries-
    He’s 22 now, 6’3” 200lbs and was rated as one of the top
    defensive prospects. He led the Pack last season in plus/minus and only played 54 games.
    He is Slovakian, speaks Czech and would communicate well with Rozy and the other Czechers-
    Reportedly, he skates well and moves the puck around with authority.

    Why does it seem he is being overlooked?

  27. Elk Attack Survivor on

    “Why does it seem he is being overlooked?”

    Because Renney rather play Strudwick than a rookie. I am surprised he decided to come back instead of playing in Europe. When healthy he is a very good player.

  28. I have a feeling Strudwick doesn’t make opening day roster.
    Other than grit, he doesn’t add much to the -D.

    Last year, he was an emergency call up at the end of the regular season. Now, with the defensive surplus on this team, there is no use for him.

    My gut feeling is that Renney plans on bring in Hutchinson on opening day. From his comments earlier, it was evident that he thinks Hutch is well rounded enough to be a number 7 or 8 D MAN.
    Enough with the failed Carolina experiments.

    Pock, Strudwick and Hutchinson should be sent down for 3 other guys out of Staal, Baranka, Sauer, Liffiton or Kaspar (cap permitting on the latter).

    Strudwick, Hutch and Pock would in turn serve as mentors down in Hartford (on how NOT to make the big team) and would be available in case of injuries.

  29. hoof and mouth disease on

    It’s pretty easy to find fault with Sather & Renney. Never forget Sather is in charge. The reason some kids are here is because of the lockout, and the bloodletting after Sather failed as a coach & a GM. He saved his job because he has one of the not so bright bosses on the planet, jimmy dolan, by feeding him the rebuild. Sather wants to win the Cup to prove it was him not TGO & Mess who made him look like a genius. He’s the one with the vet bias, and Renney is following orders while having a similar bias. If the NYR drafted a Crosby right now, they would send him to Hartford for seasoning.
    But the other side of the coin is the fans like dolan bought into sather’s CYA rebuild, hook line & sinker. So now everyone wants to be able to say they told you so with a Callihan & the next kid & the next. There’s a reason they call it Monday Morning Quarterbacking.
    Sather & Renney are doing a good job, not a perfect one. It should be a great season, if not those two are on the hot seat.

  30. ORR Kicks Yin Yang.....Once Again!!!! on

    Im officially nervous about the pre season games…Everyone is getting injured

    Habs enforcer – broken orbital bone
    Schneider – Broken bone in his ankle
    Sykora – Facial Injury
    Anson Carter – Concussion
    Souray – Tweaked back
    Lukowhich – Sprained Ankle
    Luongo – Puck to the throat (thank to shitbister)
    Linden – some injury
    Salo – broken wwrist

    Umm, im scared.

    BTW if anyone wants to see Janssen get his ass kicked, both fights are on youtube. lthough it looks like Michael J Fox was recording the fight, you know, with all the shaking the guy was doing.

  31. It will not be a “great” season, unless and until about four deserving kids get a serious chance to contribute. Staying with the Strudwick’s, the Hutchinson’s, and the Kasparaitis’ of the world will not make something great out of what will become an essentially wasted season. Those three, plus Mara, should not even be in camp, given their defects and the young impact talent readily available.

    While “I told you so” re Callahan may be Monday Morning Quarterbacking, why did Sather have to be the LAST one to know – that is, wait until Callahan scored 35 goals at Hartford, before calling him up? (Because it took the injury to Shanahan to get Sather off his lazy ass in this respect.) It certainly wasn’t Monday Morning Quarterbacking to be calling for Callahan’s promotion when he quickly scored 20 goals down there. Instead Sather went out and got first Dupuis, then Krog, while Callahan was lighting it up in Hartford. Just pathetic.

    Many young players in this organization are closer to being “great” than is the brain-trust which is holding up what could be dramatic progress, this year.

  32. hoof and mouth disease on

    Robby Sather’s priority is The Cup, not the kids. Both he & Renney think experienced guys are their answer to going all the way. If they do it, they’ll be right. Otherwise it might be a time for a change. My main hope is for them to succeed. The rest becomes woulda shoulda coulda.

  33. Robby

    At this point the only brain trust is you. Defense is different then the foward position. With Staal, half of the fans of Rangers, think oh wow look at Eric and Jordan. Marc will not be a goal scorer like most hope he will be, he will be a shut down d man, and he might not be ready. Sauer is looking good but he might not be ready. And if your that bothered by the team. Dont watch the Rangers until Shanahan, Straka, and jagr retires. Then someone will get the shot.

    I cant see why anyone would complain, its not like they havent been giving the kids a shot, we have Lundqvist, Prucha, Callahan, Girardi, Tyutin. Im happy.

  34. It seems like some people here have forgotten what the 7 years of no playoffs were like, while also ignoring how many young players are on the roster now, having earned their spots.

  35. it makes more sense for a Strudwick to be sitting out as the 21st, 22nd or 23rd man than a Staal or Sauer. so he does have his purpose. if some vets are sent down to make room for the beloved youth and the Rangers try to bring the vet back – he can be claimed and we’re hit with 1/2 his salary as dead money vs the cap. people have to consider that fact with all the play the youth mantra that goes on here. and in Bonfire’s case even a Tyutin is too old to be replaced by a 16 yr old.

    and I’ll make a prediction. injuries will happen this year so the yoot will get many chances this yr (oh wait but that’s only because of injuries so that doesn’t count).

  36. Sam, your speculation about Bourret being out of shape is quickly turning into fact on message boards. Do you think you could actually ask for clarification on his status before the great mass of Ranger fans who take your word as gospel write him off as an out of shape player who doesn’t care about playing in the NHL? Thanks.

  37. Elk Attack Survivor on

    “At this point the only brain trust is you. Defense is different then the foward position. With Staal, half of the fans of Rangers, think oh wow look at Eric and Jordan. Marc will not be a goal scorer like most hope he will be, he will be a shut down d man, and he might not be ready. Sauer is looking good but he might not be ready. And if your that bothered by the team. Dont watch the Rangers until Shanahan, Straka, and jagr retires. Then someone will get the shot.”

    1. Other Staals didn’t really look ready to me either, but they got better and better quickly. And even an unready Marc Staal is better than a ready Strudwick, Pock or Hutchinson.

  38. I think it makes sense that they send him down when he’s hurt rather than try to participate in the “pulling the jeep” type exercises of West Point. Here’s a clip of Bourret’s off season workout:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP-IwJcqpRA

    He’s only 20, and he dominated in Traverse City. I would doubt he was in terrible shape.

  39. Elk Attack Survivor on

    “it makes more sense for a Strudwick to be sitting out as the 21st, 22nd or 23rd man than a Staal or Sauer. so he does have his purpose. if some vets are sent down to make room for the beloved youth and the Rangers try to bring the vet back – he can be claimed and we’re hit with 1/2 his salary as dead money vs the cap. people have to consider that fact with all the play the youth mantra that goes on here. and in Bonfire’s case even a Tyutin is too old to be replaced by a 16 yr old.”

    I rather call up a prospect when there is an injury, rather than playing the likes of Strudwick by default. And if these garbage players like Strudwick and Hutchinson are in Hartford, why bother calling them up instead of say Sauer, Baranka, Potter or Liffiton?

  40. Elk Attack Survivor on

    Maybe Bourret told Renney what I think of him. He better play or at least watch (if he is too hurt) preseason games.

  41. Hahaha…Elk

    Imagine if when Sam speaks to Renney next time, he says,” Tom, The Elk Attack Survivor thinks you are a clueless piece of garbage”-

    Just to see Renney’s reaction to that would be priceless…

  42. LI JOE – You don’t speak for me, you just speak AGAINST me, which is fine, I’m no McNabb crybaby and I can take it. Just don’t make up sh*T about what I think and believe and stand for, and pass it off as gospel. Frankly, I don’t care what you think, you pay me too much tribute – trying to discredit me.

  43. bonfire – you don’t need me to discredit you – you do a good job of that yourself. I just call it like I see it. You are quick to preach all the kids even Sanguinetti (who will make people pine for Ozo or Poti in my opinion) but you’re quick to throw Tyutin under the bus. There are just a couple of posters here that I wish I had the ignore this user button. Obviously you’re one of them as is Sybil.

  44. bonfire – my name gives away that I live on LI. I also predate the existence of the fishsticks as a hockey fan. Loyalty has alweays been of paramount importance for me so there was never a question of switching allegiances. I despise fishstick fans even more than their team (and even more than Sybil and yourself). In the latter 2 cases it’s more a matter of how the “2 of you” address others than your actual points (which I’ll admit I very seldom agree with). I do agree with you that the league has overexpanded and rather than correct this I think they’ll make the further mistake of adding 2 teams in the not too distant future.

  45. You despise me? Get a grip on reality, this is the fantasy-side of life. YOU, by contrast, are not important enough to despise or waste emotion over.

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