Avery’s second (Updated, 7:35 p.m.)

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Sean Avery was not only the clear standout in this morning’s scrimmage — scoring two penalty shot goals, and assisting on a Chris Drury goal — he’s now saying all the right things as well.

A lot of this you probably expected: that he has high expectations of himself after the success of last year; that he’s put the animosity of his summer arbitration hearing behind him; and that it’s up to him to offer a spark alongside linemates Brendan Shanahan and Chris Drury.

My personal favorite, though, was Avery talking about his reputation in the press, and how most of the national hockey media is clueless when it comes to him (he actually said the Canadian press is “not very smart”, which was a bit strong). Then he said that he really only has to answer to us — meaning the media that covers the Rangers. It was a nice touch, although I’d like to hear him take it a step further and say he really only has to answer to me.

Somehow I don’t see this happening.

Anyway, listen for yourself below. Another interesting part is Avery talking about the importance of this year because he’s an unrestricted free agent at year’s end. He was then asked whether he’d consider signing a long-term deal sometime in mid-season, but Avery sounded like it wasn’t in his best interest.

*Update, 7:35 p.m.:* It wasn’t until some of you mentioned it that I realized the Avery interview was cut off. Here’s the last part below. And apologies are in order. He referred to the Canadian press as “not very smart,” not “stupid,” as I originally said. This is what happens when you don’t go through your own notes more closely.

Unfortunately I can’t provide a visual, which was Avery talking with ice packs around each of his wrists, and his new mohawk haircut.

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  1. SAM to bad he didn’t express having the NYR as his first choice when he becomes a free agent. On the business side he was wrong to talk to Brooks and he should have been fined to teach him he can’t always just talk. Now lets see him back up his words on the ice again. He’ll always be controversial, that’s him.

  2. he seems like a jackass, but if he is having a good year, and loves the NY spotlight, maybe he would accept a mid-year contract. I just don’t know if he hates Sather for what Sather said about him…

    any instinctive feel on this, Sam? I know he was out doing that fashion show with Shanny, but I think that Shanny may not play next year, which, if they are buddies, may be less incentive to sign.

    I like his play, when he keeps his cool and does not take stupid or retalitory penalties. I wish he grow a brain (2nd round playoffs) and learn WHEN not to speak, but…he is what he is. Perhaps that spark we saw after the trade was just that; a spark, and he is not more than that.

  3. If Avery produces that well and wants/demands a raise, he very well may get it. After all, Shanny, Straka, Kasparaitus, Mara, Malik, and Rozival are all gone after this year, which frees up roughly $16 million. And while I’d lay money they’ll end up re-signing Rozie – and paying him around $5 million – giving Avery a $1-2 million raise should be a no-brainer if he performs and continues to emerge as a true offensive threat. Because I don’t think they’ll be signing Malik, Straka, Shanny and perhaps not Mara next year, and at least 2 of those guys will be replaced by Staal and Sauer or Baranka, much cheaper options. not only that, but Shanny and Straka will be replaced by kids within the system as well. That’s the beauty of truly stockpiling young talent on an ongoing basis. You can afford to keep the most important cogs because you can replace the older, more expensive ones with young, cheap kids who can replace them while continuing a high level of talent.

  4. HMM that’s what I thought, you haven’t played. Not a big deal but you got defensive as usual while claiming to be an expert.

  5. “If Avery produces that well and wants/demands a raise, he very well may get it. After all, Shanny, Straka, Kasparaitus, Mara, Malik, and Rozival are all gone after this year, which frees up roughly $16 million.”

    except that Jagr option salary makes the cap hit of 3.5 million more. Kasparaitis’s salary wasn’t counted againt the cap this season. Tyutin will demand around a 1 million raise. Straka might be re-signed. Girardi will likely demand a 1 million raise. Rozsival is likely to be re-signed with a raise. Lundqvist likely gets a raise. And Shanahan’s bonuses carry over, that is 2+ million more.

  6. Speaking of Baranka, any notes on him Sam? His name has gotten lost with all the hype of Staal and Sauer and the possibility of Kaspar coming back. From what I’ve heard, he’s solid but keeps on getting injured.

    I’m not sure if anyone mentioned this, but I think our lines turn on whether Hossa shows up this year. I give him 20 games before management decides what to do. If they get rid of him, then you figure Straka moves up to first line wing, which creates a legitimate spot on the 3rd line for Dubinsky (with Cally shifting back to wing) or Dawes (leaving Cally at center). The Rangers really have to figure out what to do with Dawes; they either have to give him a chance or trade him. In any event, if Hossa shows up then management will probably keep the kids in Hartford until next year when some spots open up.

    I don’t mean to get ahead of myself here, but next year should be real interesting. As PGHAS pointed out, a lot of guys are leaving, possibly including Avery.

  7. HMM you have avoided every question about yourself that I have asked you. One more time, when do you want to meet Renney face to face & state your case?

  8. “HMM that’s what I thought, you haven’t played. Not a big deal but you got defensive as usual while claiming to be an expert.”

    not everybody is a hockey player, just like not everybody is intelligent, right goofy? Only a complete idiot would even dare to hint that you have to be a hockey player to understand and know hockey. I can’t believe I am arguing with these pathetic stupid people.

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    SAM

    What about Pock….Whats going on with him?? All i heard about him was he was getting some blood drawn.

  10. “HMM you have avoided every question about yourself that I have asked you. One more time, when do you want to meet Renney face to face & state your case?”

    I know what you would do if you met Renney face to penis.

    But I don’t know what you should ask Wizard of Oz if you ever meet him. Brains? Heart? Balls? Spine? Sense of humor? A new pair of skates? Or a chance to meet Renney face to genitals?

  11. I can’t believe you come here to post since everyone is beneath you in your knowledge of hockey from second hand experience. You have never been a player or a coach , and have the nerve to come here & think your superior to everyone including Renney. Stop wasting your time, mine & everyone elses’. You have opinions with ZERO credibility. You’re a kid , go watch a kids’ show. You prove it with your comments. You’ve been exposed, now go tell your mommy.

  12. Well over 4 billion people believe in some form of god and automatically I feel way superior to over 4 billion people. It is a very powerful feeling, makes one feel almost like a deity of sort over the simpleminded peasants.

    “your superior to everyone including Renney”

    lol I find that statement very funny, it sounds like you have Renney as the supreme being, nothing else is higher.

    “You’ve been exposed, now go tell your mommy.”

    it is you who have been exposed for a feeble minded moron that you are, and you are too dumb to even realize it.

  13. H M/M

    You are hysterical sometimes.

    Imagination-
    This is a blog, where people get to express themselves
    freely.
    It’s good to see all sides, even if you despise some of them.
    Just as H M/M is free to speak his mind, you are free to simply skip over his comments when you see his handle.

    I, for one find some of his rants quite entertaining. The subject of he/she ever playing hockey before does not lend to or take away from the logic or credibility of the comments.
    Do you think every single hockey team owner played hockey before?

  14. “Steve Valiquette had the Rangers’ top line on his side, but he lost 5-1 to the Red Team, looking weak in giving up penalty shot goals to Martin Straka and Artem Anisimov and three late scrambling goals in front.”

    anybody surprised? Another square peg in a triangle hole.

    “You are hysterical sometimes.”

    thanks, I appreciate positive comments.

  15. BlueClue when a kid comes on here with the mouth he has, you shouldn’t be defending him. Believe it or not, there are young kids both male & female who are NYR fans that don’t need to be exposed to his garbage of non-hockey & hockey name calling . This is the only blog he can get away with it, and hopefully not for long. Don’t give me that free speech nonsense of expression. Many of those posts should be deleted. You stay here & put up with his baby talk. Why do you think so many have stopped commenting? Sam doesn’t deserve what some are trying to get away with here. There are plenty of other ways to agree & disagree…Enjoy the season and the baby sitting .

  16. “Believe it or not, there are young kids both male & female who are NYR fans that don’t need to be exposed to his garbage of non-hockey & hockey name calling.”

    look at this Mother Teresa. Get real if you want right wing fascist censorship of every “dirty” word including WTF, then join hockey’s future boards.

    hey big guy, here is my list:

    some things about your favorite coach Hyena

    1. played Betts on 2nd line last season
    2. played Shanahan on PK
    3. he adores Malik and Betts
    4. He cost us the playoffs in the last minute of game 5 he didn’t put Betts and Ortmeyer on the ice
    5. He hates playing young guys and will go through all alternatives like Isbister, Krog, Ozolinsh, Dupuis, Strudwick, etc. before trying young guys who he often finds not good enough and sends them back as soon as he can.
    6. He kept screwing with Prucha
    7. I don’t know what he sees in Orr, Valiquette and Pock
    8. He doesn’t do PP the way it should be done
    9. In his system almost nobody consistently goes to the net or stands in front of a goalie.
    10. Veterans never get punished for bad plays, only young players get punished.
    11. playoffs before last, he not only played injured Jagr, he also gave him a lot of icetime. He is scared shitless playing without Jagr
    12. As Cullen saids, bottom 2 lines have a very short leash offensively
    13. Prucha-Cullen-Callahan line was not scoring, yet he kept playing them together and we lost to Sabres, what a surprise
    14. Rangers were terrible first half of last season, only things saved them was the success of Lundqvist, Avery and Girardi in the 2nd half as well as playing a lot of weak teams with even more problems.
    15. Good coaches reward 3rd and 4th line players with more icetime and PP time, this idiot doesn’t
    16. he pigeonholed Prucha as bad defensively, instead of making him better by letting him kill penalties.
    17. he is too loyal to the vets and too disloyal to rookies.
    18. He doesn’t make the team play more physical
    19. He constantly makes bad on ice decisions and line combos
    20. he forgets to call time out
    21. he overplays some of his top players
    22. he ran Shanahan into the ground
    23. He is easily suckered into screwing up his lineup by using a goon
    24. I still don’t get why Orr played in the playoffs
    25 What a joke of a PR stunt it was to “play� Dawes in the last playoff game
    26. He is constantly outcoached
    27. Bottom line is if there were no injuries last season, we would not have made the playoffs and if it wasn’t for Renney’s stupidity we would have advanced past Sabres.

    Talk to me either when you come up with your own list of why Renney is such a great coach or when you prove my points wrong.

  17. The REAL problem with Renney, for the puking moles infesting this site, is the fact that he is a GOOD coach and motivator, the players respond to him with honest effort, and they rallied in the springtime from a late winter position of looking like they would not make the playoffs, such was their focus, DESPITE the constant influx of SIX in-season dead-wood additions to the team, as the season unfolded.

    When the above ranting Bozo starts taking shots at the GM, who saddled the coach with all these deadheads, I might consider, on merit, his other generally incoherent and unsupported by facts, shots from the hip.

  18. I have been ranting and raving that signing Drury and Gomez was idiotic the entire time. And signing Cullen to 4 years. I am against contracts over 3 years in length. Everybody knows Sather is terrible GM, almost nobody praises him. But Renney is praised by many fools.

  19. I think Dawes can be given a shot this year. I like The third line so far, but against bigger teams, it may be in their best interest to spread out the big bodies, and guys like Dawes can play against the fast teams like Buf and Washington.

    So who got tickets? Damn did they jack up prices, but I got all the games I wanted…except Leetch night :(

  20. I want Dawes traded, he is way too small and one dimensional. Conditional draft pick would be nice–maybe as high as late 2nd rounder if he produces for the other team. We can’t afford so many smallish forwards.

  21. Sather is a GENIUS

    1.Trading Anson Carter for Jaromir Jagr and convincing the Caps they should still pay 1/2 his $$$

    2. Hiring Tom Renny as head coach

    3. Trading Ward and 2nd tier prospects for Sean Avery

    4. Dangling the RFA carrot infront of Avery all of this coming season to maximize his potential

    5. Trading Pasqual Dupris for Bourret

    6. Drafting Lundqvist, Staal, Cherepenov, Prucha, Callahan etc etc

    7. Stealing Gomez from the N J Devils (betters the Rangers , hurts the Devils)

    8. Signing Chris Drury (betters the Rangers hurts the Sabres)

    9. Trading scraps for Marcel Hossa (now a 1st liner?)and Colton Orr (breaks faces)

    10.

  22. “1.Trading Anson Carter for Jaromir Jagr and convincing the Caps they should still pay 1/2 his $$$”

    no, it was Leonsis’ screw up, he was desperate to get rid of Jagr and made McPhee do a horrible trade

    “2. Hiring Tom Renny as head coach”

    Renney was his fall guy, how is that genious? The guy gets outcoached every game.

    “3. Trading Ward and 2nd tier prospects for Sean Avery”

    Avery was a good trade but we gave up a 2nd round selection, 3rd rounder and Ward who is not a bad player

    “4. Dangling the RFA carrot infront of Avery all of this coming season to maximize his potential”

    and likely Avery will leave carrot or no carrot

    “5. Trading Pasqual Dupris for Bourret”

    you forgot a 3rd round pick, and it was more of desperation from Atlanta, than Sather’s genius.

    “6. Drafting Lundqvist, Staal, Cherepenov, Prucha, Callahan etc etc”

    he had zero input in drafting them

    “7. Stealing Gomez from the N J Devils (betters the Rangers , hurts the Devils)”

    Gomez is an overrated and overpaid turd. Sather also stole Holik from Devils, what a steal that was.

    “8. Signing Chris Drury (betters the Rangers hurts the Sabres)”

    what is the genius here?

    “9. Trading scraps for Marcel Hossa (now a 1st liner?)and Colton Orr (breaks faces)”

    2 useless players that take up spots from good prospect, that is real genius.

    “10.”

    ???

  23. Robby Bonfire, I have a feeling Sather was in awe of Maloney and Renney making the playoffs and saving his lazy ass that he basically let them call most of the shots. So really I think it is Renney who behind the scenes is running this freakshow now and is constantly in Sather’s ear if he wants some Isbister or Strudwick on the team instead of some unproven no-name rookie.

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    Lol ELK ATTACK SURVIVOR, i love that name, lol.

    Damn Avery was getting a bit emotional during the interview, first Wish you were Here, then Dashboard Confessinals “Stolen”, lol i really hope he’s over Elisha, he must have had her on his mind the whole time.

    And did someone drop a microphone during the interview.

    Also, i agree with Blueclue, just because someone doesnt play hockey doesnt mean they know nothing, thats a dumb thing to say Imagination. I think Elk / Hock is right on so many things, everything he says i completely agree with.

  25. Sam I hate to say this, but this blog has become much too hostile. Up till now, your blog has been my number one choice for news/updates, but I think I’m going to stop visiting here and instead go over to BB. The arguing here has just gotten ridiculous, it’s out of control. Over on the bulletin, they don’t act like this.

    Sorry, Sam.

  26. Spiderpig
    “Hockey team owners don’t make the tough decisions about the team, aside from hiring the GM and possibly coach.”

    Yeah, hiring the Coach and GM aren’t tough decsions….hahaha-
    ….and I would think the least a team owner would do would be to TALK about his team.
    No one here is making any tough decisions.
    Any fan is entitled to simplhy speak his/her mind.

    Having played hockey before as an entitlement to give ones’ opinion is the most ridiculous argument i’ve ever heard. Say one is born handicapped, never played a moment of sport, but watched hockey his/her entire life?

    He/she would have no valid opinion?
    Perhaps one who never played really can’t first hand understand the meaning of “TEAM”, but that’s a whole other dimension.
    He/she still may know how the game is played along with its technical aspects.
    Either way, people-
    Stop playing policeman on this board.
    If you don’t like something, then respectfully state your case, or move on-

  27. I should have said the players on the team.

    Jeff L. – That’s because basically nothing is deleted here, aside from people posing as Sam. I’m still gonna stay, mostly because Sam’s reporting is great ahd fun to read. BB is too serious sometimes, and I feel more like I will get shot down by the writers there.

  28. ELK –

    Your opinion duly noted, but may I suggest neither you, nor I, nor anyone else here get too far off-base as to really think and suggest that the GM, (talking about all professional sports organizations, now), not only HIRES the coach, but can, and all too frequently does, FIRE the coach. That is one hell of a lot of power for a subordinate to be “dictating” to. Coaches get fired frequently in sports because either they / the team under-achieved, or because the GM is covering his ass with ownership.

    Also, do you really think Renney, or any other NHL coach, would lobby upstairs for the addition of Kas, Ozolinsh, Mara, Strudwick, Isbister, Dupuis, and Krog, all in the same season? My God, you must think Renney has an I.Q. of about 2.5!

    Give the man a break until he under-achieves with a really outstanding team. I say that when Renney gets a new and truly competent GM to work with, assuming he is still here, you will be impressed and jumping on his bandwagon. May I live to see the day when Sather is out and Renney is still here. Then, let’s see if the team is upgraded, instead of sabotaged, in-season, and how Renney capitalizes on that.

  29. In a perfect world GM is a total boss of a Coach, but very often that is not really the case look at Neil Smith era with the Islanders. And with the Rangers Smith wasn’t able to fire Muckler. There is often a struggle for power, but also often a GM listens for coach’s suggestions.

    “Also, do you really think Renney, or any other NHL coach, would lobby upstairs for the addition of Kas, Ozolinsh, Mara, Strudwick, Isbister, Dupuis, and Krog, all in the same season? My God, you must think Renney has an I.Q. of about 2.5!”

    Strudwick without a doubt yes, he loves him.
    Kasparaitis without a doubt no, he was here before Renney
    The rest he might have had some input on for example:

    He tells Sather/Maloney he needs a scoring defensemen, Sather sniffs around the league for an easy fix he is offered Ozolinsh for modest price of 3rd rounder he lets Renney know, Renney may or may not have gotten an erection at that point but his reply is likely–it is worth a try, could work out, and if not we don’t lose much.

    For Isbister he likely told Sather maybe we need to have a ready extra veteran in the system just in case, to fill in with injuries if the rookies are not ready.

    “Give the man a break until he under-achieves with a really outstanding team.”

    IMO, he already underachieved in many ways. Just because we got to the playoffs as a whopping 6th seed twice in a row, does not make him a good coach.

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    If these Ek rumors are true….I wouldnt mind having Esche on the team, it beats the hell out of Valley, and Monty who might not be ready.

  31. Avery will become a free agent, why, because like the other sports this is a business. Avery will want the most money and years he can get, it’s not about the rangers it’s about Shawn Avery. By Avery going to free agency he will have teams to bid for him for the highest amount possible with years.

  32. Renney isn’t the worlds best coach, but the players seem to enjoy playing for him and its refreshing.

  33. ELK –

    I don’t know how much (or how little) experience you have in the REAL business world – you know, that rude wake up call BEYOND idealistic classroom theory, but if you were a GM, and some puking coaching hire came to you and started telling you how to do our job, that little prick would be out on the street in two minutes – as soon as you finished your rant at his stupidity and arrogance.

    Look, if a hire implies that he knows more about your job than you do, and you don’t handle it, it is guaranteed he will be lobbying the owner behind your back for your job, on the basis of lies about how he suggested this great trade, and that great signing, and can do more for the organization than you can.

    Anyone thinking Renney can tell Sather what to do, beyond responding to Sather’s requests of Renney for input, needs to go to your boss tomorrow and tell him how to do his job – for a timely jolt of how things work in the real business world.

    Part of this mentality I blame on Hollywood. Many years ago Hugh Hefner wrote about Hollywood filmdom’s “common man” syndrome, whereby, invariably, some jerk corporal would dress down a lieutenant or a colonel for being “dumb” or “too harsh on the men,” etc. – and get away with it. Never happened in my time in the service, and if it had, it would have been major brig time and a court martial in two seconds, flat. So again, little guys with no power, if they are smart, do not attempt to usurp the authority of their superiors – that is, if they want to get ahead in their career and in life.

    It’s time Tom Renney got a little respect around here for the job he is doing and for knowing his place in the pecking order, which keeps him in the position so long as the team plays hard and well for him.

  34. September 15th, 2007 at 5:49 pm
    “1.Trading Anson Carter for Jaromir Jagr and convincing the Caps they should still pay 1/2 his $$$�
    no, it was Leonsis’ screw up, he was desperate to get rid of Jagr and made McPhee do a horrible trade

    This is a flawed argument. You can’t dismiss this because you want to. The fact is, Sather made the trade, whether it is convenient for your argument or not.

    “2. Hiring Tom Renny as head coach�
    Renney was his fall guy, how is that genious? The guy gets outcoached every game.

    Debatable, considering he has a winning record. Bottom line: Winning is the ultimate measurement of a coach. Your opinion is that he is outcoached, but for someone who is always asking for proof (BTW- Read BB and you’ll see Renney quotes about scouting Callahan PLAYING CENTER in Junior!) this argument does not hold water. Unless again, you want to just use your opinion where it suits you.

    “3. Trading Ward and 2nd tier prospects for Sean Avery�
    Avery was a good trade but we gave up a 2nd round selection, 3rd rounder and Ward who is not a bad player

    C’mon. Don’t throw Ward in there as a loss. Yeah, he was an okay player, but Avery has proven he was worth the investment. Cliche is a good prospect, but we had several already like him. Sometimes chips are played to get you pieces you don’t have. We had nothing like Avery in the system. Money well spent, IMO.

    “4. Dangling the RFA carrot infront of Avery all of this coming season to maximize his potential�
    and likely Avery will leave carrot or no carrot

    Agreed. But I prefer Avery on a short term contract due to his history of wearing out his welcome. I don’t know if that qualifies Sather as a genius, but I understand the move. I like Avery, but I won’t be devastated if he walks after this year.

    “5. Trading Pasqual Dupris for Bourret�
    you forgot a 3rd round pick, and it was more of desperation from Atlanta, than Sather’s genius.

    There you go again, You can’t say Sather is an idiot for making some moves and then turn around and say he is lucky the other GM was desperate/stupid on others. For you to have any credibility in an argument (despite others saying they agree with everything you say) you need to give an take. Sorry, but turning Hall (a FA) and a third rounder into Bourrett is genius. Your dismissing this is desperation on your part.

    “6. Drafting Lundqvist, Staal, Cherepenov, Prucha, Callahan etc etc�
    he had zero input in drafting them

    But you probably blame Sather for drafting Jessiman? Can’t have it both ways. Sather gets credit just because HE is the GM. The buck stops with him. He gets the credit AND the blame.

    “7. Stealing Gomez from the N J Devils (betters the Rangers , hurts the Devils)�
    Gomez is an overrated and overpaid turd. Sather also stole Holik from Devils, what a steal that was.

    Whether Gomez is worth it or not remains to be seen. You’ve made your contempt for him very clear. As a Ranger fan, I’m going to give him a shot. You are correct on Holik being a disaster, but you can’t argue that it didn’t weaken the Devils. Holik was a Ranger killer. Whether Gomez pans out or not, him no longer being on the Devils hurts that team.

    “8. Signing Chris Drury (betters the Rangers hurts the Sabres)�
    what is the genius here?

    So you are saying that anyone could have signed Drury? Maybe, but again, he did it. Smart move.

    “9. Trading scraps for Marcel Hossa (now a 1st liner?)and Colton Orr (breaks faces)�
    2 useless players that take up spots from good prospect, that is real genius.

    I used to agree with you on Hossa, but he could surprise this year. Hossa for Garth Murray was a good trade. Orr plays his role well. His presence is more along the lines of whether you believe in a goon being necessary or not. I’d rather have Orr and Strudwick or Hollweg in the press box than Staal, Dawes or Dubinsky.

  35. Speaking of Holik, he’s being tried as a scoring center again, playing with the first-line wings of Hossa and Kozlov in Atlanta. That will definitely fizzle out faster than Marcel Hossa on the first line in NYR. I think Kovalchuk would be better on the first line in ATL, but it doesn’t really matter as long as Marian Hossa plays like crap in the playoffs.

  36. This site is awesome…..Good stuff and good work…Sammie.
    Im excitied for my college hockey season and can’t wait to see the blueshirts….speed skill and heart. “Fun times ahead for us all”…..

    Lets go Rangers

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