“Stay the course” philosophy in jeopardy

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The Rangers have made clear their desire to stay on the path they’ve already been headed the past few seasons.

There is the chance that will be disrupted now that one of the key members of their brain trust, Don Maloney, will “be named the next general manager of the Phoenix Coyotes”:http://www.azcentral.com/sports/coyotes/articles/0528gm-ON.html.

Already speculation has begun on who will take Maloney’s job as the Rangers assistant GM. Naturally Mark Messier is a possibility, but so are a handful of others both inside and outside the organization.

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  1. a casual observer on

    As long as we continue to build a team that is geared towards “playoff hockey” I’ll be happy.

  2. What is Sam basing his “change in philosophy” on?

    The guy who is the final decision maker is still around people

  3. ORR kicks Ying Yang on

    I wonder if the guys at Verses will talk about it…Might be a bit awkward seeing as how Mess is right there next to them…But eh i dont care.

  4. Nick,
    He’s probably basing it on the fact that Maloney was the guy who was always talking about the Rangers’ “new philosophy.” Sather’s been absent from the public eye for a while now, and Renney’s been busy dealing with the present Rangers team, so Maloney was sort of the spokesperson for the Rangers’ philosophy.

  5. Sather is back in the limelight, and there’s little room for egos besides his. Maloney had the nerve to want to be GM, Sather’s not giving that title to anyone yet, not even Messier. If he does, then you know he wanted Maloney gone. I’m sure he didn’t like Maloney even asking for the title. And he’s told his stepson Mess that has a long way to go to take the ‘genius’ job. Mess gets to be ‘the sorcerers apprentice’.

  6. Now the Sather bashers really have a reason to hate him.

    Why the hell couldn’t Sather have followed the Detroit model(Devallano as Pres. and Holland as GM). WTF, Donny was doing all the leg work while Slats was fishing anyway.

    This is going to bite Sather (and vicariouly, us in the ass. If Messier is named AGM I will have to think hard before I re-up.

  7. hope our better scouts stay and don’t get picked up by Phoenix (with promotions attached as the incentive). Also be interesting as to what young players Maloney tries to get from us.

  8. I have to believe Shanny will make another career somewhere in hockey after retiring as a player….. In the meantime Sather is charge,

  9. AngelusMortis on

    This hurts. I think that the Rangers can be a legitimate Cup contender next year with one or two good free agent signings (and losses) this summer. We have good players, young and old. However, our summer pickups will be different, for better or for worse, with Maloney gone. We can only hope it will be better.

  10. even a fool like czechthemout would be a better GM than any of these schmucks like Sather, Messier, Maloney, etc.

  11. see slappers from the point are a thing of beauty. This is why I hate Jagr and Renney.

  12. Sam, please explain your headline for this entry. Exactly what are you basing it on?

  13. czechthemout!!!!! on

    being called a fool by pork butt(our new genital manager)is a compliment,so i have to agree that i would be a better gm than any of schmucks mentioned by the porkster!!!

  14. Don Maloney sucked as a GM in Long Island. And he sucked as the Rangers assistant. He disappeared all year long and was not around for the tough questions. The only time Maloney made himself available was when it was a pre set interview. Good Riddance. Now the Rangers can win a cup. In my opinion of course.

  15. L I Joe
    Where is that first line sniper that all these great scouts the Rangers have, hiding? These scouts have drafted third liners with great draft picks for 5 years. The Rangers still have to look outside the organization for legitimate goal scoring. I ask you, where are the Sean Avery types in the Rangers organization? None exist. Thanks again oh GREAT SCOUTS.

  16. Glad to see Don get a second chance to be the guy in charge – this can only help Phoenix in the next 3 years.

    As for us, we lose a voice of reason in our direction. Hopefully, we can find another to both step in and step up.

    Liked Don as a player (who can forget his impact in the ’79 playoffs) and liked his impact these past few seasons.

    Good luck!

  17. czechthemout!!!!!, watch it, if you don’t have the balls to live up to your name and ship out Jagr and his buddies, they I will be happy to be your genital manager, we can go see Nutcracker together, I will make you a great falsetto singer.

  18. Is Maloney still high on all the busts he drafted for us? It would be a good place to get some value back for all the junk they drafted.

  19. “Where is that first line sniper that all these great scouts the Rangers have, hiding? These scouts have drafted third liners with great draft picks for 5 years. The Rangers still have to look outside the organization for legitimate goal scoring. I ask you, where are the Sean Avery types in the Rangers organization? None exist. Thanks again oh GREAT SCOUTS.”

    yep, and even when they do draft good players they almost never give them a chance to succeed in NHL.

  20. Maloney is an idiot and a liar, but he was the brains of this organization for the past 3 years. anyway, maybe now we start shifting to a more physical emphasis, not the soft nonhitting BS.

  21. Good riddance. Maloney is a moron. If you give him credit for being the primer mover the last few drafts, thank him for the great Hugh Jessiman debacle (and other first rounders) as Ryan Getzlaff tears up the finals.

    And by the way, take his kiss ass drunk brother with him. I’m sure they could use his “expert analysis” in the desert.

  22. Jessiman and Sanguinetti drafted because they are Rangers fans

    Montoya drafted because they decided they need to draft a goalie with a top 10 pick instead of drafting one with 2nd 1st ounder or one of the 2nd rounders

    Graham was taken because of his height

    Sauer, Pyatt, Staal were taken because of their bloodlines

    Olver because of acquaintances with his father and his coach

    Dubinsky and several others because of their fathers are coaches.

    Byers, because the Islanders snatched Comeau right in front of him

    Cliche, because they liked him more than Latendresse

    Korpikoski because Maloney was raving mad about him

    Falardeau because they wanted a shutdown defensive center like Otto or Holik.

  23. ThisYearsModel on

    Maloney was a loyal soldier and a true Ranger. Too bad he is leaving, but good for him to get a shot. This must mean that Sather does not want him around anymore. Who from Edmonton is unemployed these days? That is where the replacement will come from.

  24. “He disappeared all year long and was not around for the tough questions. The only time Maloney made himself available was when it was a pre set interview. Good Riddance. Now the Rangers can win a cup. In my opinion of course.”

    Someone’s availability to the media should not at all dictate what kind of job the person has done.

    The best I can tell, Sam’s headline is simply stating that considering Don Maloney was in their long-term plans, this may affect those future plans depending on who his replacement is. I don’t think there’s any sort of conspiracy theory here.

  25. Looks like the Pack is staying in Hartford:

    “ADVISORY: PRESS CONFERENCE ON TUESDAY
    The future of the Hartford Wolf Pack, the American Hockey League team owned by the New York Rangers, and hockey in Hartford will be revealed Tuesday, May 29th as the joint partnership of Northland AEG LLC, the newly-appointed Hartford Civic Center operator as of July 1, 2007, and the Hartford Wolf Pack management and coaching staffing hold a joint press conference. Fans are encouraged to attend.”

  26. Doodie Machetto on

    Thanks for that info Hanny.

    I have to say I’m disappointed they didn’t come to Brooklyn.

    As for Maloney, the only things that bother me are that he is going to try and steal away our youths that don’t get ice time when their contracts expire(Immonen, Dawes, maybe even Prucha). It also gives Sather a chance to hire a true figurehead AGM. Kiss the future goodbye, and say hello to John Leclair or some other dinosaur “veteran” that Sather thinks will help us win the cup.

    Messier said something last night that really caught my ear and makes me not want him as an AGM. He was talking about the goaltending matchup and said that he would take the veteran’s experience as most important. Great. Reup Weekes as the starter and let Henrik ride the pine, Weekes has the experience! Idiot.

  27. Mike Sam is alluding to the fact that Sather is not a stay the course guy. He will bring in vets & go for The Cup next season. And then he might finally retire , but it’s doubtful . That’s part of why Maloney ran. If Sather wanted Maloney to stay, he’d might still be here. It sounds like a mutual problem for different reasons. Maloney read the handwriting on the wall.

  28. Sather did make Maloney an offer to stay with the Rangers but Don used the offer to get a better offer in Phoenix

    You wouldn’t Giguere over Emery in net?That is what Messier was talking about

    Good riddance Donnie

    Gets all of the credit and none of the blame

    I want that gig

  29. Congrats to Don on this well deserved promotion! With that said, Sather has done more than people think changing the culture in Rangerland. I also think the new Assistant GM might be his good buddie Gordie Clarke. Gord Clarke already heads up our Ameteur Scouting and had great drafts with the Islanders years ago…It wasn’t his fault that Milbury dealt them all…

  30. “Montoya drafted because they decided they need to draft a goalie with a top 10 pick instead of drafting one with 2nd 1st ounder or one of the 2nd rounders”

    If Henrik didn’t come out of nowhere (who thinks a 7th rounder will even make it to north america) Montoya would probably have been in net this year. We drafted him because Mike Dunham was our starter at the time and because Dan Blackburn’s future was in jeporady. If Blackburn never gets hurt Montoya never gets drafted. Picking up Montoya was a good move at the time and one they had to make with so many question marks surrounding the teams starters.

  31. Doodie, Messier was referring to experience relative to playing in the Stanley Cup Finals. Giguere has a Conn Smythe under his belt- are you suggesting you wouldn’t want that on your playoff goalie’s resume heading into the Finals?

    You’re usually a much-better poster than that.

  32. And by the way, with all the Messier-bashing going on here, let’s stick to the facts about his second go-round with us. Overall, yes, it was incredibly disappointing and the formula just did not work. Nobody disputes that. But let’s also remember that in 01-02, we were first in the conference as far as late December; the dropoff came when Lindros got a concussion and Messier damaged his shoulder. In 02-03, we were eliminated from the playoffs in the 81st game of the season, after a late surge. And while trades for the likes of Bure and Kovalev clearly didn’t pan out out, it was in January of ’04 that we got Jagr from the Caps and only had to pay 50 cents on the dollar for him. Talk about the gift that keeps on giving.

    Again, 2000-2004 was a disappointing time for the Blueshirts. Yes, Mess got too many minutes and didn’t lead us to where we needed to go. But again, to talk as if that was the be-all and end-all of the Messier story with the Rangers (and his tenure in hockey in general) is myopic, disingenuous, and just plain dumb.

  33. P.S. 2000-2001 would have turned out a lot differently if Fleury hadn’t gone off the wagon. He was having an incredible season.

  34. Doodie Machetto on

    It wasn’t picking Giguere over Emery that bothered me, it was his reasoning why. It’s like saying that you’ll take Brodeur over Lundqvist because he’s won 3 cups. Meanwhile, looking at their numbers in the playoffs this year, you would have to be retarded to make that choice.

    Bottom line: he wasn’t picking Giggy because he was having a good playoffs, he was picking him because he had one in the past. That kind of mentality could lead to picking up washed up vets because they had a good year once. Is anyone interested in Cam Ward? He had a Conn Smythe, too.

  35. So, Doodie, what would be acceptable reasoning? GAA in the last game each of them played? Number of saves made in the preceding two weeks? Carrying your limited reasoning to its logical extension, and using your own example, Broduer should have been everyone’s playoff pick since he had 12 shutouts this year.

    Are you really suggesting previous playoff experience/success should have no bearing on a club’s makeup? And that suggesting that it does renders one unfit for an Assistant GM position?

  36. I just hope Stan Gable doesn’t get the job. I thought I tought that guy a lesson.

    I’m a nerd and I’m pretty proud of it!

  37. “If Henrik didn’t come out of nowhere (who thinks a 7th rounder will even make it to north america) Montoya would probably have been in net this year. We drafted him because Mike Dunham was our starter at the time and because Dan Blackburn’s future was in jeporady. If Blackburn never gets hurt Montoya never gets drafted. Picking up Montoya was a good move at the time and one they had to make with so many question marks surrounding the teams starters.”

    no, taking Cory Schneider with the 24th pick would have been a lot smarter.

  38. To all NY Rangers Fans:

    Our boys did well this year, we had poor luck in game 2 and game 5 against the Sabers. So, next year is shapping up to be a good one. We lost D. Maloney to Phoenix, good luck to him. If we keep our core players ie: Avery, Jags, Lundquest, and the rest, then if possible, locate another hard shooting, mobile defensemen, we should be in good shape to go deeper in the Playoffs next year. Our top prospect Staal looks like a great one, but we need to give him some time. Callahan, Purcha, and Giardi will be our future… which looks very bright. If we do not make any moves for an additional defensemen, then Lundquist will need to stand on his head for us to make a real run at the Cup, Weeks cannot get hurt, and Jags needs to continue to play like he did against the Sabers….

    Go Rangers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  39. ORR kicks Ying Yang on

    Who’s this Purcha kid….Hmm sounds good.

    Just Kidding…

    I am looking foward to next season…

    Instead of MSG playing MSG Vault…They have to play NYR 10 to Remember…Because this season we had alot of classic games.

  40. “They have to play NYR 10 to Remember…Because this season we had alot of classic games”

    I could watch that 7-0 ATL game over and overer.

  41. If Don Maloney was A) really running the ship in the Rangers front office, and B)so desperate to have all the Rangers young talent on his team…wouldn’t he have stayed with the Rangers?

    This is also the guy who, as Islanders GM, traded Pierre Turgeon for Kirk Muller.

  42. Doodie Machetto on

    Adam, No, I’m not suggesting that it should have no bearing on a club’s make up, however, I am suggesting that there are considerations other than experience to take into account when evaluating who is better than who. All I am saying is that he made his choice ON EXPERIENCE ALONE. He made no comparison of how they have played this playoffs, this season, or even just their last two or three games. He made his choice by saying that Giguere had been there before, therefore, he is the better choice.

  43. Doodie Machetto on

    Top game this year for me is the COP line debut against Boston, when Ortmeyer scored his goal.

  44. Doodie, of course there are multiple considerations. We could (and do) pontificate all day about those considerations. But you’re talking about a situation where, as a TV analyst, he had a 15-20 second window to make his point to the two dozen people watching on Versus. I’d have brought up Giguere’s Conn Smythe in that window too; you would have also.

    And look, in the playoffs at large and especially by the time you get to the Finals, experience is a huge factor. It’s talked about in every locker room for every team that makes it to every Finals. It’s a fact of NHL life. Is it the be-all and end-all? Of course not. But I still want it on my team in late May and early June.

  45. If anyone left in Ranger management is even vaguely considering dealing Girardi than they should be taken out behind the barn and shot. Not that I imagine they are — but don’t even joke that Maloney could go after him with any success. As far as I’m concerned Girardi was the highlight of the year for the Blueshirts.

  46. Doodie Machetto on

    He could’ve pointed out that Giggy had better numbers so far in the playoffs, although I’m not sure that was true before the game. Even if it wasn’t, I feel you need to go beyond experience in an evaluation, at all times. You can’t just rest an opinion on experience alone, you just can’t.

    If the conference finals were Pittsburgh against Buffalo, you’re telling me you wouldn’t pick Crosby over Drury, even though Drury is “Mr. Clutch” and Crosby was in his first playoffs? You have to have something more than experience in your corner. That example is admittedly a bit extreme, but you need to consider that Giggy doesn’t even have THAT MUCH experience. One good playoff run followed by an absolute STINKER. There just has to be more substance to an evaluation of talent.

    You’re telling me that you wouldn’t take Luongo over Giguere? There, that’s a better comparison. Luongo’s first playoffs or Giguere. If you don’t take Luongo then there’s something wrong with you.

  47. Malik played with Jovanovski, so it would be very likely that he is traded there.

    “As far as I’m concerned Girardi was the highlight of the year for the Blueshirts.”

    I agree, and so does Don, Sather on the other hand probably doesn’t even know who Girardi is.

  48. WOW

    This place it full of complete morons. I cannot even imagine why anyone would post here.

  49. ‘One good playoff run?’ 15-6, 1.42 GAA, .945 SV%, and 5 shutouts in the 2003 playoffs. Oh, and he took a vastly superior Devils team to Game 7. You might as well add that Brian Leetch ‘played pretty well’ in the ’94 run.

    Ironically, though, you’ve stumbled your way into a defense of your own argument. After all, no one expected JS to do what he did in ’03. No one. Goes to show what can happen when young goaltenders get hot in the playoffs. Roy in ’86, Hextall in ’87, Ranford in ’90…hell Brodeur was a rookie in ’94, and he was incredible. But none of them can do what they do without significant talent and EXPERIENCE in front of them.

    By the way…you’d have picked Crosby over Drury for this year’s playoffs? Are you out of your mind?

  50. AngelusMortis on

    Doodie, you’re fighting a pretty steep uphill battle. I certainly would pick J.S. Giguere. Messier wasn’t saying that he would pick Giguere on experience ALONE. He was saying that they’re both good goaltenders, but what gives Giguere an advantage is experience. There is nothing in the NHL like the Stanley Cup Finals. There’s a ton of pressure, more than every other game in the season combined. Giguere has been through that, and proved that he can handle it. Mess wasn’t trying to cut Emery at all, he was simply stating that Giguere has an advantage because he’s been there before.

  51. Doodie Machetto on

    Adam, I’m not taking away from what Giguere did in ’03, it was a great run and he deserved the Conn Smythe. But what he did ONCE in the playoffs, followed by the absolute terrible playoffs he had last year, doesn’t exactly define him as a clutch performer.

    And yes, I would’ve taken Crosby over Drury in a hot second. Still would.

    Angelus, I’m not saying I would take Emery over Giggy. What I’m saying is that the only thing Messier mentioned as far as who to choose was experience. He said nothing about the playing abilities of either. He just said in a conclusory way that Giggy had been there before, therefore he would rather have Giguere. It certainly seemed as if he was deciding on experience alone.

  52. I agree w/ Orr – Lose the MSG Vault. I cant listen to Gordon and Chadwick – They should play the games with the radio feed of Marv & Red Light. In any event, best game of the year (reg season) was March v. Flyers when Orr dropped Fedoryk in the first minute. The place was buzzing. You knew after that game the Rangers were going to make the playoffs.

  53. Doodie, you continue to grasp at straws, and I’m not sure why (perhaps you are angling to become a Versus analyst?). To put it very simply: in two out of his team’s last three playoff runs, JS has taken his team to the Stanley Cup Finals, and you’re confused why someone would talk about his experience being the deciding factor. Hmm.

    I’m curious: anyone else take Crosby over Drury at the start of this year’s playoffs? Drury had 14 playoff GWGs coming into ‘em(and he got a couple more in the Islander series). You’re talking about a legendary postseason performer who has been a winner wherever he’s been. Taking nothing away from Crosby and his magnificent year, but jeez, even Gretzky went Cup-less in his first five playoff runs.

    Doodie, you’d be a great regular season GM. Your squad would be a perennial contender for the President Trophy. But you’d be quiet on the day of the trade deadline, and your boys would be on the golf course by May 1st.

  54. Doodie Machetto on

    When you consider what Giguere was against, his numbers this playoffs aren’t really that impressive. Anemic Vancouver and Minnesota(one game and ten minutes in the Minn series). When he actually played a decent offensive team, he had 2 good games, three average ones, and one lousy ones. Not exactly lifting the team on his shoulders.

    And let’s not forget that he has Pronger and Niedermayer in front of him for 30 mins a game.

    How many cups has Drury won? Only one. Yep, he sure is a big time winner! Let’s not forget how stacked that team was either.

    BTW, Alfredsson has 11 Playoff GWGs in about 20 fewer games. Those are comparable numbers. I don’t think anyone in their right mind would call Alfredson a clutch playoff performer.

    My point is one or two years does not a reliable player make.

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