So long, Peter?

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Let’s all take a moment to pass along our sympathies to reader John M., who has singlehandedly been mounting a campaign for the Rangers to take on Peter Forsberg.

It now looks like that’s not going to happen, with “TSN reporting”:http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/ that Forsberg is instead headed to Nashville in exchange for Scottie Upshall, Ryan Parent and two picks.

Two immediate breaks for the Rangers: they wouldn’t have to face Forsberg on Saturday. And they would no longer be clouded with the delusions of trying to get Forsberg themselves. Or at least not this season.

Meanwhile, there are some of you who might not be against parting with Karel Rachunek, even if it’s in exchange for a backup Zamboni driver. But I’m not sure the Rangers can fit two Zamboni drivers under the cap, so you can probably look forward to more highlights like we saw at the end of the first period.

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  1. Sam, nice job getting the post up quickly, man you are a dedicated man, and i thank you for that. The forsberg trade was bad for nashville imo forsberg is injury prone, and trading that much of the team’s future for someone like that is beyond risky, parent will be a great dman, i really like upshall, and a 1st and 3rd to boot! wow thats overpayment if youve ever seen it. With rachunek, i wanna see that guy outa here asap! get pock in there, sam any reason renney has given for not playing pock more? hes been solid, nothing special. it doesnt even matter that he just scored, i want rachunek out, he bumbles and gives the puck away too much

  2. Of the truly awful drags on this team, Rachunek cannot be seeded any higher than three. Ward and Malik are more useless without question.

  3. I guess he’s trying to make up for that blunder in the first period with this power play goal in the second. We have to either get rid of the good with the bad, or keep the bad with the good.

  4. Nashville overpaid. And there’s no way Sather was even in the running if that’s what Nashville was offering.

  5. How many things were wrong with that play.

    Rachunek should have got it deep.
    After the gaffe he should have dug deep and got back into position.
    Not-so-steady-Ward should have covered the passer and NOT the shooter.

    What were they thinking!?

  6. Hey, the new guy gets into the action. Nice hustle by Dupius and Cullen. Started with a great block by Ward.

  7. I don’t get all of the Rangers games in Potsdam on MSG. If Buffalo has a game, they get shown on MSG. Don’t ask me, IMO if it is MSG, they should show the team that plays at MSG.

    Anyway, was the play Rachunek made like the one against Toronto? That’s what it sounded like when it got called on ESPN radio. He does make some horendous plays, but when he lets it rip on the PP it looks pretty good to me.

    Will this restart the “Play Pock” initiative? I’d much rather see the kid play and make these mistakes than a vet like Karel Rachunek.

  8. he scored from the point because avery was creating traffic in front of the net….they have been getting traffic and shooting more lately, and its showing on the scoreboard

  9. Doodie Machetto on

    unless they win a cup. I think the trade was more to keep him away from Detroit than anything else.

  10. “Am I crazy or has Renney already abandoned his two PP units from those weekend wins?”

    Yea, you’re pretty much crazy because there were clearly two PP units out there.

  11. man, I didn’t realize there was such a large under-current of Rachunek haters. bottom-line, you’re all crazy. one of Renney’s biggest blunders all season has been burying Rachunek with the second PP unit rather than playing him with the big boys. Any time Rachunek stumbled onto the first PP unit, either by injury or a sloppy change, the puck found it’s way into the net. Now he’s consistently playing with complimentary players like Shanny and Avery on the PP, and surprise surprise, the puck’s in the net. He has his warts, I’m not saying he doesn’t – on the defensive side most glaringly. But man o man, what a rocket. For a young player, his offensive upside is huge. This team has lacked a quality offensive defenseman since Leetch was traded – I’m shocked that there are ppl clamoring for the return of an over-the-hill Leetch, but can’t see what Rachunek brings to the table. And just to be clear, I was yelling at the TV on Carolina’s first goal just like the rest of you. Of course, I was yelling at Rachunek, as well as Betts for lunging for the pass instead of continuing to backcheck, thereby losing his man entirely. Then I’m yelling at Ward for playing that 2-on-1 as bad as you can (though he made up for it by playing the 2-on-1 perfectly later on). All in all, I saw three errors by three players on that play – hardly call to crucify any one of them.

  12. I don’t see the Nashville deal as an overpayment as much as everyone else does. Upshall’s a nice player, but a 3rd liner. The pick will be a late one, 30th if Nashville wins the Cup, and Morganti reported that Parent has disc problems.

  13. young enough to still be improving and be a major contributor for at least six years – no one expecting him to morph into a superstar during that time, but he’s not as far away from turning the corner as some seem to think. for instance, he’s already second among defenseman on the team in points – how much would those numbers be inflated if he was getting proper PP time (just look at how valuable time on the PP affected Prucha’s game)? Likewise, Ortmeyer is “no that young,” but I’ve been real happy with his improvement on the offensive side of the puck since his return. I likewise see him being a key cog on this squad for at least six seasons to come.

  14. jas i see your point,
    but upshall has a lot of potential, he can become a real good player for philly, parent looked awesome with staal in the wjc and the 2 picks are good because this draft may be deep even tho it lacks the big stars

  15. Jonathan Probber on

    I’m grateful to Nashville for pre-empting any possible Rangers stupidity. Having said that: why would a team trade for a few months worth of a good-but-hurt player, who might or might not help them get a Stanley Cup?

    What will it do to the team dynamic to inject this larger-than-life presence into the locker room? And is it worth the players and picks they gave away?

    I’d hate to think this prefigures a permanent class of “rental” players – Guerin, Tkachuk. Just seem s like the wrong way to go.

  16. Jonathan, good point, this will drive the price of Guerin, Tkachuk and all the rest up! hopefully we dont make any more rooms

  17. czechthemout!!!!! on

    nice effort again tonite.avery has created the chemistry on this team that was missing all year.i think prucha is playing his final games as a ranger,and pock is sitting his final games as well.they WILL BE TRADED BY THE DEADLINE in my opinion.maybe for brewer.maybe nathan horton,maybe to columbus for zherdev,but i think he will be traded.

  18. czechthemout!!!!! on

    as far as the flyers trade.that was a alot to give up for a one legged player.almost as bad as when we gave up norstrom,laperriere for churla mcsorely and kurri.

  19. the chemistry was hidden under the coaches lack of recognizing what to do. No way any more trades of guys on the roster or that same chemistry could disappear. No or little changes as long as they are winning or playing good as a team.

  20. czechthemout!!!!! on

    bklynblue-you are right about that too.but avery has definately been the difference on the team as far as chemistry goes.i also think that prucha is a solid barganing chip to add to our defense someone like brewer or even better maybe a barret jackman.

  21. watching the Wash. game recently points out clearly how much more talent Rangers have than the Caps, and the fact that they were just barely ahead of them going into the last 3 games shows how much they have underachieved, and how poorly coached they have been most of the season.

    the harsh criticism all season has been deserved.

    whether they turn it around now and squeak into the playoffs remains to be seen, but the withering criticism was well deserved and NEEDED, to give them the kick in the pants to turn things around.

    and the new players were not the only things needed to change things. for months several posters were begging them to get Nylander on the 2nd line, off the Jagr line, not Straka, who meshes well with Jagr. And to spread things out, to play 4 lines more evenly, to get more contributions from the foot soldiers.

    for months posters were saying that Cullen belonged on the 3rd line and at the PP point, and all we got was stupid Renney repeating the same mistakes over and over.

    and all season posters said the team was too soft and too east west in their style. so they got Avery who helps a lot on both those counts.

    let’s face it, the team may have turned things around because the moves that were clamored for all season to tone deaf mgmt. finally started to happen out of desperation. the critics were right, but the brass will never admit it.

    with the Canes, Habs, and Atlanta all slumping and having injury problems, a playoff spot is quite reachable now.

  22. Forsberg could just as easily hurt himself tomorrow as solidify their chances at the silver. Glad the Rangers didn’t get him. Great to see the Rangers not fold after that awful 1st period goal.

  23. czechthemout!!!!! on

    there is no such thing as buying a cup when you use assets on your team that you’ve developed for the purpose of a trade to put you over the top.that being said ,i don’t think that forsberg will be the difference on that team.too many small forwards who are not gritty wich is what’s needed in the playoffs.also not a alot of good defencemen on that team.they will get to the semifinals but will be eliminated by the ducks who i think are a more rounded and balanced team.

  24. Malik played well tonight.

    Ward and Rachunek are there worse 2 D men of the D men who play.

    Girardi can play…….

    Pock I am not sure of becuase he has played so sporadically.

    The Rangers will not make a move, Avery and Dupuis give them more scoring depth, I have been complaining about that for ever… They just need some secondary scoring and they are in very good shape..

  25. czechthemout!!!!! on

    stuart -you right about ward and rachunek,that’s why one of them has to go.i would trade krapunek.makes to many mistakes for a vet,will cost us if we make the playoffs.ward steps it up big time in the playoffs.they need another dman who is tough but can also add some points.i know that’s hard to find but we do have some chips to play.

  26. czechthemout!!!!! on

    hey maybe staal will be given a chance here after his season is over.or maybe even a guy like brodie dupont as another big tough player who can be used on the forth line as well.

  27. Pock probably will not get a chance but he has the skill, but would need to be much more conservative in his play. Rachunek is skilled but makes many mistakes…

    I would be very careful whom they traded no young stars get traded….

  28. Reginald Dunlop on

    if montreal continues to fade…………Souray is a UFA this summer……..he’d look pretty good on our backline now wouldn’t he??????

  29. I don’t think there’s enough time till the deadline for Montreal to fall so sompletely out of the playoff picture that they would deal Souray. Possible, because of his UFA status, but the Habs are going to have to keep losing every game up to the 27th.

    reginald dunlop

    You still skating?

  30. czechthemout wrote:

    “there is no such thing as buying a cup when you use assets on your team that you’ve developed for the purpose of a trade to put you over the top.”

    Nonsense. Where were you in ’94??

    amonte, weight, marchant….

  31. Souray would cost an arm and a leg. Id guess something like Prucha, a first, and immonen/pock as a bare minimum, and i dont want to pay that much for a rental. if were getting a player, i hope its someone like zherdev.

  32. I’d love someone from the Panthers, aka the worst-run organization East of the Golden State Warriors.

    Olli Jokinen, contract-extension be damned, wants out, and Florida doesn’t see him in their “three-year-window.” Nathan Horton, a 21 year old with unlimited potential (drafted after Fleury and Eric Staal but before Zherdev, Vanek, Phaneuf, and Seabrook) wants out also. And who can blame him?

    What would it cost for Horton? Hossa, Montoya, and a 3rd rounder?

    He’s my vote over Kovalev Jr, aka Samsonov Jr, aka Zherdev.

    Anyway… did Nashville overpay? If they don’t win a Cup. It’s not like Forsberg has 2 years left. He’s a rental. You have him for atleast 2 months, maybe 4. Then he’s probably going back to Philly. Looks like it’s a Stanley Cup or bust in Nashville…

  33. I don’t really understand how quickly everybody changes their minds about the Rangers making a trade. Everyday everyone writes that they want Tom Renney to stick with the guys who are putting the Rangers on top for the past few games. Everyone was talking about how great the team is starting to mesh and the chemistry they’re showing. All of a sudden one big trade happens and everyone wants the Rangers to make a trade of their own. I think the Rangers make the smartest move if they leave things be. Right now they’re finally playing as a team, they’re finally winning on a consistant basis with great team play, why trade for someone who might ruin this? I know Renney keeps moving Prucha around and yes i do feel bad for the kid, but no matter where he plays, he gives 110%, why wouldnt we want to keep him? Face it, we’re not going to be given Horton or Jokinen, we’re not going to be given Zherdev, and we’re certainly not going to be given Souray with Montreal right where we are. Why give up too much for something that won’t necessarily help out team, now and in the future?

  34. Regarding the Forsberg trade, up front it looks like they paid a lot for him. I think that management had more than just his on-ice play in mind when they dealt for him. The Preds have a seriously hard time filling the Gaylord Center and a name like Forsberg could possibly generate more interest in the team and sell more tickets down the stretch (although I think the main problem with attendance there is corporations unwilling to buy the premiere seats).

  35. 5-on-5 Raccoon makes me nervous, but get him on the PP and i’m just waiting for that howitzer – give Renney credit for putting him on the PP with guys like Shanny and Avery to create the traffic while Raccoon unloads a few bombs.
    As it stands at them moment the lineup looks fairly well balanced, will Glen and Donnie get dizzy with our current win streak and give up the future for a rental..? I hope not.

  36. they are finally back on track, and everyone should know who knocked them off to begin with….The 3 Stooges, Sather, Maloney, & Sather. I just hope it was not too late in their ‘figuring it out’. It was plain to most except them that the #1 line had to be changed, Shany needed a center, Cullen belonged on the point for the PP, & two PP units had to be used , and a few other corrections had to be made. Getting Avery for Ward & the other 2 for now was a steal. Hall for Dupuis was a no brainer after mistakenly getting rid of Moore. Getting Orts back has been a big help. It’s time to basically stand pat unless a D man falls into their laps. If the 3 screw up big time again, then they must go. Onward & upward.

  37. Racunek and Malik………………Dumb and Dumber. Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum. Stannie and Ollie

    it doesn’t get any worse than this.

  38. Seamus at least Rachky has a good shot, Maleak needs a good shot to the skybox. They need to get a good D man for cheap return of expendable players, not Prucha.

  39. Still cannot believe what I read here. Rangers play good hockey right now and you still complain! Unbelievable! Malik is back from IR and he’s steady and calm in D zone, doesn’t make much of mistakes and some of you complain. Rachunek scores from blue line, unfortunately makes one mistake that leads to the Canes goal and you want to get rid of him just now, come on!!! Everybody gets frustrated, I was. But now, I have hope that we make Playoffs without making any youth deductions. Of course, Rangers might not be Cup contender but at least with current play deserve Playoffs spot. Now, beat Flyers & Hawks. Keep on rolling, guys!

  40. That game last night could have been 8-1 if it wasn’t for some of Ward’s saves.

    Next 4 are against Philly, Chicago, and 2 against NJ. 6 points would be nice. And we’re catching NJ at the right time with their injuries.

  41. That schedule is terrible. Why do we play so many games against NJ? Last time we played them Brodeur said that because of that it’s more like regular game than arch-rivalry… Anyways, I hope for 7-8 points ;)

  42. the key is to beat the Islesticks in the remaining 4 head to head games , and beating the satans would help to set up a probable playoff rematch. They still need about 28 points of the remaining 50 available. That means having to go around 14 – 11 excluding ties.

  43. I really hope these 4 islander losses are not the difference in the end. If they had split those 4 games, we’d be right there with them.

    Then again if the Queen has balls she’d be the king.

  44. Honestly, the way the NYR, NYI, CAR, MTL, and TOR are playing right now, the 2 NY teams look like the playoff teams. I can see both making it at #7 and #8.

    If we can take 3 of 4 from the Fishsticks next month/April, we’ll be good. And even if we don’t, that doesn’t mean we’re out. Like I said, I think both NY teams have a good shot at making it. To me, getting at least 8 out of 10 points against MTL, CAR, and TOR is just as important.

    As far as Souray goes, it will be really interesting to see what Montreal does the next week. If they continue to slide, they might very well move Souray. The question is, what do we give up for him? It can’t be too much. If they want a lot, I say pass. Besides, if they got Souray, Girardi would probably be odd man out (even though he shouldn’t be!).

  45. Tomorrow I’ll be at the Rangers game vs. Philly at 1pm, and then at 7pm I’ll be in the Coliseum, rooting for the Devils to beat the Isles. First time I might ever be rooting for the De(fens)ivls.

    If I see Brodeur after the game, I’ll tell him to take it easy on the Rangers next time.

  46. Longtimerangerfan on

    Ross wrote:
    February 16th, 2007 at 3:17 am
    “I don’t really understand how quickly everybody changes their minds about the Rangers making a trade. Everyday everyone writes that they want Tom Renney to stick with the guys who are putting the Rangers on top for the past few games. Everyone was talking about how great the team is starting to mesh and the chemistry they’re showing. All of a sudden one big trade happens and everyone wants the Rangers to make a trade of their own. I think the Rangers make the smartest move if they leave things be. Right now they’re finally playing as a team, they’re finally winning on a consistant basis with great team play, why trade for someone who might ruin this? I know Renney keeps moving Prucha around and yes i do feel bad for the kid, but no matter where he plays, he gives 110%, why wouldnt we want to keep him? Face it, we’re not going to be given Horton or Jokinen, we’re not going to be given Zherdev, and we’re certainly not going to be given Souray with Montreal right where we are. Why give up too much for something that won’t necessarily help out team, now and in the future?”

    I agree 100% with Ross…let’s just stay the course with the team we have now and like someone else suggested, when OUR Staal is available bring him up for a look-see.

    BTW, I wore my Ranger’s sweater instead of my jersey to the game last night at the RBC Center last night so it must have been that which changed the Ranger’s fortunes here. Don’t know if you could hear or not but we Ranger’s fans were yelling “Let’s go Ranger’s” louder that the Hurricane fans were yelling for their team. With almost nine minutes left in the game the fans were leaving in droves. Man, a lot of things can happen in that amount of time.

  47. “Honestly, the way the NYR, NYI, CAR, MTL, and TOR are playing right now, the 2 NY teams look like the playoff teams. I can see both making it at #7 and #8. ”

    Won’t happen. 4 Teams from one division is a LONG shot.

    Who is the center on the 2nd PP unit? It seems like Shanny takes the draw but then goes to play wing while Avery is in front. Does that sound about right?

    All in all, a very exciting game. Dupuis’ goal has singlehandedly assured that Prucha will never score any points again. Sure, he plays on the PP, but he’s ice cold when he gets out there from how little he gets to play during the game. I think Dupuis and Prucha should switch, even though I like the idea of Prucha having a bodyguard(punching bag) of sorts in Hollweg. But when they want to get Colton Orr in the lineup, you know who the healthy scratch is going to be.

  48. one last thing, did anyone else notice that Jagr couldn’t BUY a goal last night? and it was the man’s birthday.

  49. Good point Doodie. Perhaps both NY teams do not make it. Here’s hoping it’s the NYI teeing off in April!

    That being said though, I still think it’s a possibility. I’m not impressed at all with Toronto, Carolina, and Montreal. If I had to pick one, I’d say Toronto makes it along with the NYR if the Isles don’t make it.

  50. Terrific win last night the team dominated start to finish. When it was 1-1 at the end of the first because of Rachunek I had a bad feeling, but they didn’t get demoralized and took it to the Canes. While Ward had his usual medicore game he did make a great sliding block on Ladd which in turn lead to Dupuis goal. All the lines played well and the pp was tremendous love Cullen on the point. The Canes are pretty badly beaten up I could see them going in a freefall. I hate Malik as much as anyone, but I thought he played a terrific game blocking passes and shots and making smart passes.

  51. a casual observer on

    That line of dupuis, cullen and ortmeyer reminds me of the Devils sucess. Speed, cycling, hustle and timing your shots to the net. I hope they continue to play together.

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