Tom’s Trip to the Farm

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The plan was for Tom Renney to be in Hartford yesterday to assess the “Rangers’ young talent”:http://www.courant.com/sports/hockey/hc-wolfpack0222.artjan22,0,1808799.story?coll=hc-headlines-hockey, and I doubt there are many among you who would have a problem if he came back to New York with a player or two (or eight).

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Still, there are two variables to consider should the team start stocking its roster with prospects, and both trace back to Renney and Don Maloney’s insistence that the likes of Brandon Dubinsky and Nigel Dawes aren’t yet ready for “the NHL:”:http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/01/11/and-now-time-for-your-favorite-topic/

One is that those players truly aren’t ready but the Rangers, now in full desperation mode with 34 games to play, have no other choice. The other is that they have been ready all along, and this team is now readily admitting its errors in judgment.

Of course, I suppose there is a third option that falls somewhere in between, which is that the Wolf Pack’s strong play of late (they’re now 25-17-3 after a dismal start) has finally made an impression on the Rangers’ upper management; and that the team is no longer in a position to be so picky. I’m not sure, but if it does result in a call-up (and not just for a couple of games) you wonder if the team could have come to this conclusion a bit earlier in the season.

As for what this might do for the Rangers’ activity on the open market, that’s a good question. Again, I doubt the Peter Forsberg trade is likely, but the team surely has its eyes open for someone else who might mesh better with Brendan Shanahan (it pains me to admit this, but Jason Krog is not the answer) on the second line. And that’s the other part to consider with Renney’s trip to the farm: if the coach might have a clearer picture of who he wants on his roster, he might just as easily realize who’s expendable as well.

Stay tuned….

A few other thoughts:

  • The question was posed about the team’s regimen for the All-Star break. We already know that Jaromir Jagr will be hard at work trying to build up his strength in his shoulder, and my understanding is that some of his teammates will be skating at the Training Center over the next days. But there is nothing formal planned until the team reconvenes at 5 p.m. Thursday.
  • As for me, I’ll be manning the store at Blog Headquarters instead of attending the festivities in Dallas. I’ll continue to provide updates as needed, while also working on a couple of other projects.

    Speaking of which: my colleague Brian Heyman’s working on a story about frustrated New York sports fans, and naturally if you’re a devoted follower of the Rangers, you fall squarely into that category. If you live in The Journal News coverage area (Westchester, Rockland, and Putnam counties) and want to offer your take, shoot me an e-mail at sweinman@LoHud.com and we’ll go from there.

  • One other thing: a buddy of mine forwarded this photo of someone’s backyard in Canada. I’m not sure what else you can ask for.

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    1. Great article today by larry brooks in the post…
      realistically who do you think renney will come away believing they r ready for the NHL…he’s already seen first hand callahan, jarko, and a early tad of nigel…

      It doesn’t take a hockey genius to but with tommy boy and co. you never know, that the rangers r better of giving some of these young, greater upside, hungrier plays a shot at PLAYING & STAYING w/ the big club.

      Personally im gonna say they bring up 2 guys, and it will be dawes and callahan.

      Players on the current team in trouble, obviously hall, j.ward, and u gotta think krog will be easily replaced.

      jagr-marty-prucha
      cullen-nylander-shanny
      orts-betts-hossa
      hollweg-callahan-dawes

      this is the most balanced lineup i can think of and allow tommy boy to roll 4 lines with some offensive juice on the 4th line….

    2. Gregg, I’d agree with your lines there… but we have to realize that Tommy Boy apparently now sees Prucha as nothing more than a 3rd or 4th liner.

    3. i agree that my two choices to be brought up would be callahan and dawes however the only way that works is if renney BREAKS UP THE FIRST LINE which he’s refused to do

      prucha straka jagr
      dawes nylander shanny
      hossa cullen callahan
      hollweg betts orty

    4. Sam are they all ‘the not ready for prime time players’? Maloney says 8-10 will be ready over the next 2 years.

    5. now if the plan is to NOT break up the first line no matter what than i’d go with dubinsky and callahan even though dubi might not be quite right yet (i am in favor of giving him a good look though)

      straka nylander jagr
      prucha dubinsky shanny
      hossa cullen callahan
      hollweg betts orty

    6. Longtimerangerfan on

      Sam, just because I don’t live in Rockland, Westchester or Putnam Counties doesn’t mean I’m not a frustrated Ranger fan…I lived in Ct. for over 34 years and made innumerable trips to the city for games over the years. As a result of me being a Ranger fan, both of my kids love the Rangers and both play hockey. My 37 year old daughter and my 33 year old son who, btw, played against Chris Drury back in his youger days. I also read the Journal News on line every day as well as this blog site.

    7. Doodie Machetto on

      Not sure what else you could ask for? How about a new, slimline Malik jersey to wear out on that rink?

    8. sam–of the 2 theories, the answer definitely lies somewhere in the middle. hartford started the year 2-7-1 and are 23-10-2 since then. even more important they have gotten better each month, 6-4 to finish november, 8-5-1 in dec and 9-1-1 so far in jan.

      so its pretty clear that the team has gotten better as the year has progressed and you can make a pretty safe assumption that the individual players on the team have also improved and are more ready now then they were in september. if a player is ready after 1/2 a season, that doesn’t mean they were lying in september.

      and lets be honest here, the rangers don’t need this kids to step in and be saviors and carry the team. they need them to step in and provide energy and outplay wastes of space like hall. its not like they are replacing anyone worth anything.

    9. Doodie Machetto on

      “outplay wastes of space like hall. ”

      When was the last time Hall dressed? They need to outplay wastes like Krog and Orr. I don’t mind leaving ONE of our checking wingers, either J.Ward or Hossa, but both of them with Hollweg and Ortmeyer already in the lineup, is too much. So that leaves one center and one winger who can be on the big club.

    10. I’d bring Dubinsky (to center second line), Callahan and Baranka. But I know it’s not going to happen. Shame.

    11. hall has sat a whole 2 or 3 games! i didn’t make the comment but he is a complete waste of space…

    12. Hey, Leetchie, MST here.

      Frankly, what I think is needed here is a change of mindset that says “Once and for all, we’re going to launch and follow-through with a rebuild.”

      No question, the kids you cite should be part of it, And go beyond Dawes and Callahan – there are defensemen who’ve earned the right to compete for spots in the show, (Baranka, Girardi, Lampman come first to mind).

      “Compete” doesn’t mean that they’re devined as saviors.

      Nor does it mean that they’re guaranteed anything.

      “Compete” means that they get a real chance to show their stuff, make their mistakes and show whether they have it in them to learn via a trial by fire.

      If they don’t, they should be dropped.

      But what we don’t need is Nigel Dawes getting another dose of the “pressbox exile” he got the first time around (and what could have ruined him).

      And we don’t need any more wanton discards like Lawrence Nycholat who looks (judging by the TOI he’s getting) as winning a job in Washington.

      But, you can’t be optimistic that that a dramatic change of attitude will be exhibited by the troika of idiots who seem to be in charge of the asylum.

      I just wonder if our host’s blog this AM is a reflection of their ambivelance and/or another example of the duplicity they’ve practiced (particularly their mouthpiece on the subject, Maloney) as to “rebuilding.”

    13. Mark …Giroux is another one almost ready for Wash & he’s a center. Oh well, way to go NYR mgmt.

    14. Doodie Machetto on

      “hall has sat a whole 2 or 3 games! i didn’t make the comment but he is a complete waste of space…”

      Not disagreeing, but he and Orr are the only forwards not from the farm who have sat three games in a row this season. And Orr has been dressing in front of him. I don’t expect him back anytime soon. If the Rangers make a deal, don’t be surprised if he’s part of it.

    15. I for one have no faith that Renney/Maloney/Sather will do the right thing based on Clueless Tom’s field trip to Hartford. Personally I think that they should bring up a d-man or two (Schoenfeld was on the local news raving about Girardi last night and saying there was no doubt in his mind that he’d be playing in the NHL soon). Malik should sit, but if history is the judge, he won’t. Rachunek could sit or be traded but again, I doubt they make that move.

      Up front, they need a center, and the choices are Immonen (been there, done that), Helminen (has picked up lately but scoring is off this year) and Dubinsky (viewed as a little raw by most).

      My guess is that Tom’s field trip was more to determine who to ship off for a veteran center than it was to determine which Hartford player is ready for prime time. These guys are getting desperate and I don’t think that Renney is going to trust his career to a youngster or two. They’ll take the “safe” (read: wrong) route in the pursuit of a playoff spot.

    16. Renney Sather will do nothing and the parrot Baloney will tell us “not ready” and stop asking for eight players to be brought up.

      Lawerence Nycholat another Ranger castoff is looking pretty good for the Caps right now on D. But the Rangers don’t need any D.

    17. That backyard rink is badass!

      I don’t know how many folks go back this far but the average age of the Rangers defense corp in 1979 when they went all the way to the Cup finals was 21.78 years. Probably was the youngest in the league at that time. Don’t let anyone tell you that you can’t rebuild in New York or that you can’t win with kids.

    18. “Schoenfeld was on the local news raving about Girardi last night and saying there was no doubt in his mind that he’d be playing in the NHL soon.”

      Schoney was too discreet to add “Most likely for someone else.”

    19. boy, hall, I remember stating back in the begining of the year that I didn’t like Hall and trading moore was not a good trade. It appears my judgement was on the money. Hall is useless. Sather has no clue which I have stated to many times. I don’t even understand why Satherstil has a job, does anybody else and if you do could you explain this to me. It’s ridiculous.

    20. IMHO I tihnk that Renney and CO are less conerned with weather a guy like Callahan is ready for the NHL…rather than letting him get as much time as possible LEADING a team rather than being a part of one because he is so young. I am more confused with Dawes and Immo, I would understand if Dawes was sent down because there was no room on the top two line for him, but if Prucha isnt going to be there, than dosnt that leave room for Dawes? And Immo, I have said before, if they have told him things to work on, maybe if Renney saws those things in action when Hartford he will get him another shot. What I mean is, perhaps, players like Dawes and immo, they may havew noticed them only shooting one type of shot, or always skateing to the same point on the ice, or something that they thought would slow them down, so they sent them to Hartford to get out of a habbit. IF, and i knwo its a bigger if than most would like, that is the case than its hard to be upset with the Rangers. Well, except on the D…that I will never get really…

    21. To correct my earlier post. The average age of the Ranger defense in ’79 was 22.6 years old. The D-men were:

      Bothwell – 23
      Clark – 21
      Dore – 20
      Farrish – 20
      Greschner – 24
      Dave Maloney – 22
      Marois – 21
      McEwen – 22
      Turner – 20
      Vadnais – 33

    22. Doodie Machetto on

      I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: either they should commit to Immonen or deal him.

    23. Mark:

      I also noticed that Shoeny did not say “he’ll be playing in NY soon” but rather used “he’ll be playing in the NHL soon”

      He knows the score

    24. I wonder if Renney saw Jarkko’s ridiculously nasty pass to Callahan, who then preceded to own Karri Ramo and score.

      Sick.

    25. WILCARD…

      The only person RENNEY can blame for lack of ice time available for callups is himself!!! There’s no reason why he shouldn’t be able find 10 to 12 minutes of icetime for Dawes, callahan, or whoever when and IF they decide to promote someone…

      I mean if Renney can find 12 to 15 for journeyman KROG he should be able to find 10 to 12 for anyone from the wolfpack..

    26. There is nothing left for Dawes to prove in the AHL. Same for Immonen. We know what they can and will do and having them do more of that while the team in NY stinks makes no sense.

      See if they can play or not in the NHL and do it quickly because the season is slipping away.

      Still can’t get over Prucha on the fourth line.

    27. Doodie Machetto on

      Gratton, the NHL and hockey as a sport were SO completely different then, the comparisons are faulty.

      I think any comparison to any time after the emergence of the trap and butterfly style goaltending is faulty. Those two things have so dramatically changed the game it is unbelievable.

      Pre and Post lockout are hard to compare as well because of the crackdown on hooking holding, and interference.

      The obstruction penalty.

      Expansion of teams, schedule changes, 7 game playoffs, the shortening of the crease, being in the crease goal disallowal, the introduction of the trapezoid.

      The fall of the Soviet Union and the eastern bloc.

      Removal of ties, the overtime loss point, 4 v. 4 overtime, increased usage of the instigator rule, even mandatory requirement of helmets-these are all changes that make comparisons like that faulty.

      Go back a little further and you’ll find little things like, no curves on sticks, facemasks for goalies, scoring on a minor penalty getting the guy out of the penalty box, dump and chase.

      Go back to just before the lockout, two line passes, offside pass, the uncontrolled size of goaltending equipment.

      I’m not saying that a defense can’t be good with youth, I’m just attacking comparisons to years past.

      By the way, I’m not going to do the exact math on this, but I’m certain the 1994 cup team had a much higher average age among its defense corps, and they actually WON the cup, not just go to the finals.

    28. Of course the 1994 team had a higher average age. It was stocked with veterans. My point was the ’79 team had a bunch of babies on the back line and made it to the finals. My point was that you could use kids, regardless of era, and still compete. My point was that you could rebuild in New York. My point is you still can, regardless of the way things are now and the way they used to be. The Penguins are doing it as we speak. I appreciate your points but quite frankly, think they mean very little when it comes to how you develop a team. The ’79 team played by much different rules then the original 6 era and still did it. Multiple expansions took place and they still did it. Ottawa did it in the 90’s. again, thatnks for the history but I fail to see how it prevents the same kind of mindset.

    29. The Pens the team with a whole bunch of kids are now ahead of the Rangers in the standings. They have two games in hand.

    30. Doodie Machetto on

      The Penguins is a false comparison too!

      But the “rebuild mindset” isn’t the issue I was attacking, just the success or failure of any team in past eras being compared to the success or failures of any teams in the present.

    31. The Penguin comparison is certainly valid but OK, you don’t want to compare it to the past, that’s fine. I think it’s a valid example so, we’ll let it die there.

    32. Doodie Machetto on

      If you honestly think that any of our top prospects can compare with theirs then you’re crazy and wrong.

    33. Doodie Machetto on

      And I definitely thought the Pens would be something to worry about this year in one of the bottom playoff spots.

      I didn’t think the Rangers would be this bad, however.

    34. I’m not comparing prospects at all. I’m simply stating that if the organization really wanted to rebuild they can and, especially in this watered down parity-riddled day and age, they can. For years we heard from the likes of Neil Smith and those that followed that the fans would never stand for a rebuild in New York, you just can’t do it with a high profile team like the Rangers. So, I just used ’79 as an example that it can be done, it would be tolerated and the fans would love it. Plus, the team can maybe, just maybe be competative also. That’s all I’m saying.

    35. What has Krog done (or what hasn’t he done) to give people the impression he’s a waste. He’s a decent playmaker, probably not a second line guy, but I think he has a place on this team.

    36. Doodie Machetto on

      Pittsburgh is also looking to sell, so cheap players suits them well. You can’t fully rebuild in Ny, not because of the fans, but because of the owner wanting to make money.

    37. Doodie Machetto on

      Krog doesn’t have a place because the role he would play(bottom 2 center) is already filled by 4 guys.

    38. I agree with you on the owner making money point. In your opinion, does that just apply to Dolan? If there was someone else, someone who actually knew a thing or two about the sport and who cared, would it be different?

    39. Gratton’s right. If one wants to go with kids they can and be good in today’s NHL. Everyteam in the NHL has kids look at the sharks. The Pens have rebuilt and are moving ahead of the rangers in there ability to play the game it seems. Moving forward while the rangers top players get a year older and no young player shows he can play and get experience.

    40. gratton probably not, they need marquee names on broadway to attrack the corporation $. But they would have a better mgmt team, not a seat of the pants mindset.

    41. Doodie Machetto on

      They would still be interested in making money, although they would still show some commitment to the team’s success until it seems that the deal is going to be a loser. Look at Mario Lemieux. He was concerned as an owner to make money, but as a Penguin and lover of hockey he tried his best to make the team competitive and rebuild, especially last season. But after collosal losses and a disinterested city, he is deciding to sell.

      Charles Wang knows nothing about hockey; do you think that if the Isles lost him money he would keep them?

      Ballsillie(the guy who almost bought the Penguins) is an adament hockey fan, but when the NHL tried to add a bunch of stipulations to his ownership which would have required him to operate at a loss in Pittsburgh, he backed out in a hurry.

      To get something closer to Dolan, look at how Bill Wirtz is destroying the ‘Hawks

    42. Doodie Machetto on

      Well, recently the Rangers have drafted well(since the Hugh Jessiman mistake). They just have a problem working those picks into the lineup.

    43. Yes,we need more kids. Yes, we should be infusing those kids in the lineup and they are good enough. But the comparisons to the Penguins has got to stop. They have had five top 2-3 picks in the last several years. The guys they picked weren’t because of their crack scouting staff. They were no brainers (Crosby, Staal, Malkin, Fleury).Even Sather couldn’t screw up those picks (most likely, anyway)Someone said the other day that we didn’t have any prospects “like Crosby.” The league set up a special lottery just for him. The Pens have been catered to for years. I remember some TSN special at the draft and it was Brian Burke saying to Mario that “Every GM wanted Crosby, but if they couldn’t have him, they wanted you to get him!” Cripes! Compare us to anyone, but PITT is in a class by itself prospect wise!

    44. Doodie Machetto on

      CM, I agree, but

      “The league set up a special lottery just for him”

      They set up the lottery due to the lockout season, not for him. It was purely coincidence that he happened to be in the draft at that time.

    45. Its not that Pitts has Crosby and Malikin its that they have in the lineup Orpik and Malone and a bunch of other kids they drafted and developed. Tell me why the Rangers can’t shouldn’t go that route again?

    46. the best defensive team in the league this season is the Sharks. they have allowed only 110 goals. and their Dmen are 19, 22, 22, 24, 27, 29.

    47. A factor,(IMO the most significant one), in the Rangers’ not giving a better account of themselves in the 1978-1979 Cup Final vs. Montreal was Davidson being unable to continue at a high level. (He was red-hot throughout the playoffs and beat Montreal in the opening game (in the Forum).

      Davidson had been suffering from a bad back for nearly the entire playoffs and as they continued in got worse,

      His ability to move became severely limited and it finally caught up to him.

      I doubt, even if Davidson had remained capable of continuing unhandicapped that the Rangers would have won it against such a seasoned and talented aggregation as Montreal, but I also think that they’d have won at least another game before bowing out.

    48. Doodie Machetto on

      Orpik was a 1st round pick that spent two full years in the AHL.

      Colby Armstong is a first round pick that spent three and a half years in the AHL.

      Ouellet spent two and half seasons in the AHL and didn’t crack the NHL until he was almost 24.

      Jani Rita is a 1999 first round pick and fringe NHL-er.

      Talbot spent a year and a half in the AHL and is a fringe player.

      Malone didn’t crack the NHL until he was 24 and he played for an abysmal Penguins team that finished dead last in the NHL.

      Tell me why again our 2nd and third round picks can’t spend more than one season in the AHL and can’t wait until they’re older than 22 to be on the big club?

    49. Doodie Machetto on

      4Rangers, they also have the best goaltending tandem in the NHL, and rotate them frequently so both are always fresh.

    50. like hell they do. Nabokov was terrible last year, and Toskala took over the job. this year they have similar stats because the D has been topnotch in front of them. they allow among the fewest shots. I watch their games, and they don’t have goalies winning by standing on their heads, as evidenced by the 3 star selections which have seldom gone to goalies.

    51. Doodie Machetto on

      Columbus Blue Jackets 149 GA-11th in West, 19th in NHL:

      Shots face/game= 28.64

      San Jose Sharks 110, best in league:

      shots face/game=26.54.

      That’s a difference of 39 goals on about 2 shots a game, at 48 games is 96 shots. That means that about one of every 2 of those extra shots are going in. I’m sorry, but two extra shots a game eqauting to a goal more every other game is a difference in goaltending, not defense.

      I can do that kind of math for you with another team if you’re not convinced though.

    52. Doodie Machetto on

      By the way, when will you learn that last year means nothing in comparison to this year? Last year Lundqvist was a God. This year he’s had a few great games, but overall he’s been average.

    53. “Tell me why again our 2nd and third round picks can’t spend more than one season in the AHL and can’t wait until they’re older than 22 to be on the big club?”

      Because the big club stinks!!!

      If our kids were given a true shot (not a game or two), 75% of them would outshine the useless garbage that Renney is playing regularly.

      The 25% that can’t make it can go back for more finishing, but to lie through their teeth about kids NOT being ready when they know it isn’t true – is criminal in my opinion.

      They won’t give kids a true look because they know they are going to bring in more vets, and they don’t want the kids to show that they can play, or the fans won’t stand for the trades to come.

      This way the liars just say “Well, they’re not ready yet, so we had to go out and get a Roenick or a Forsberg”.

      The same thing will happen next year and the year after that. Eventually all our prospects will be spread across the NHL and making contributions. (like Zidlicky and Nicholat).

      Sather, Maloney and Renney have their marching orders from the Dolans – and that’s that.

    54. Hey Doodie,

      I wouldn’t call orpik and colby armstrong the nucleus of the penguins…

      If you want examples of younger teams developing younger players at the NHL level, how about the devils w/ parise and zajac…

      bottom line, is the rangers have too many low upside, role players taking up lines 2 through 4 and our D sucks…where would be this year w/o Henrik granted he hasn’t played as well as last year…

      Are you going to argue that guys like dawes, jarko, callahan and dubinsky wouldnt produce more than J.Ward, Hall, Hossa, Krog, and company?

    55. All those Pens players had the lockout year in the AHL.

      Dawes and immonen have nothing to prove in the AHL. Callahan is doing everything and more. Girardi the same. What more do these guys have to do to get called up?

      Instead Hossa, J Ward, Krog, Malik etc stand in there way. The Pens waive leClair no way the rangers would do that for a kid.

    56. Doodie Machetto on

      Baron, I’m not saying that a couple of the kids aren’t ready, just that there isn’t a big rush to get ALL of them in right now. Dubinsky isn’t even 20! Callahan and Dawes are only 22. It’s not like their careers would be ruined if they have to finish the season in the AHL.

      Immonen and Pock, on the other hand, are a little bit older. Pock is playing, so I’ll skip him for now, but Immonen’s age does put a pressure on him getting into the lineup. Which is why I’ve said time and again: commit to using him or deal him.

    57. that is bogus malarkey. the Blue Jackets have a lousy team that allows more close in goals. also, their goalies suck, so that is not a fair comparison. The Shark goalies, especially Toskala, are solid, above avg, but not all-stars.

    58. Doodie Machetto on

      tsalad: You can’t have it both ways-lockout or not, they played more than one season in the AHL, and most of the ones that I named spent full time their BEFORE the lockout.

      Gregg, you’re right, Orpik and Armstrong aren’t the nucleus. Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, and Staal are the nucleus, but if you think that any of our guys on the farm even come close to their talent level, you’re crazy. And I’m not making the argument that those guys won’t produce more, just that there doesn’t have to be this crazy rush to get them ALL into the lineup as if their careers are being ruined.

      “The Pens waive LeClair no way the rangers would do that for a kid.”

      Sandis Ozolinsh and Darius Kasparaitis ring a bell?

    59. and doodie, you are laughable with that “last year means nothing” crap. when we ripped Renney earlier this season, you said him getting them into the playoffs last year entitled him to some leeway. I thought last year means nothing. yeah, only when it suits you. PHfft !

    60. Doodie Machetto on

      4Rangers, rank the top 3 goalies and I’ll show you that Toskala/Nabokov are on par with *at least* one.

    61. Doodie Machetto on

      4Rangers, yeah, leeway, not an overall judgment as to his quality, which is what you’re doing to Nabakov based on his one year.

    62. doodie

      I can have it anyway I want it. I never said anything about AHL time.

      The lockout adds a year to players AHL time because there was no other place for them to play. The Pens are developing and playing more kids then the Rangers. Why can’t the rangers currently out of the playoffs do the same” AHL time is now irrelevant for players like dawes and immonen. What good does it do when the bug team isn’t getting it done?

      Kaspar hasn’t been waived. Ozo never should have been playing but Sather and renney couldn’t help themselves and you said ozo was worth it at the seasons start

      You loved renney and all that he did now you sing a different tune because its gotten bad. Your a joke. At least I’m consistent.

    63. the former 3rd Shark goalie, Mikka Kiprusoff, now in Calgary, is better than both of them. No one in the league, and I mean NO ONE, rates Kiprusoff below them.

    64. it’s useless to bother with his moving target nonsense. He tells people that last year means nothing, EXCEPT when it comes to his hero, Tommy boy Renney.

    65. 4Rangers

      For Prucha last year does mean nothing but for Malik and J Ward and Hossa it apparently does.

    66. Doodie Machetto on

      tsalad: I gave Ozo a chance because he was doing well last season. When players do well I give them leeway at the beginning of the season to recapture their form. He didn’t and I’m glad he was scrapped.

      Same for Renney, he did well last season, I gave him the chance to do well again, he didn’t, and I think he should be scrapped.

      When a player or coach does well, dont you hope that they continue to do so? Shanahan started the season really well but has been rather poor of late. I still want to see him do well, do you?

      4Rangers: Yes, Kipper is better. What’s your point? His backup sucks. Toskala/Nabokov are the best tandem and *together* they are on par with him.

    67. Doodie Machetto on

      In fact, Kipprusoff’s numbers(alone) and the total San Jose numbers are nearly identical, with Kipper having a slightly higher save percentage on about an equal number of shots.

    68. Maybe Shanny would do well with someone other than Cullen or Krog as his center. Again Renney and sather for getting to that spot and making it worse by not playing any kids to see if they can play in the NHL.

      Its the same thing year after year with Sather. Kids only get a chance through injuries or desperation not by any real design on how to build a club.

    69. 4Rangers

      For Prucha last year does mean nothing but for Malik and J Ward and Hossa it apparently does.
      ,,,,

      exactly right, tsalad. he has been exposed.

    70. Doodie Machetto on

      “Maybe Shanny would do well with someone other than Cullen or Krog as his center”

      Exactly right, but that didn’t seem to be a problem earlier on in the season. Let’s hope he can regain his form.

      Personally, I think the first wo lines can be fixed even without going to Hartford if they would just break up the top 3. But without breaking up the Jagr line, I think Hartford is necessary.

      What I’m saying about youth is that these guys aren’t exactly going to get worse there and have plenty of time ahead of them to get better.

    71. czechthemout!!!!! on

      i am sorry doodie when you say that bozo did well last year ,you have lost all credability with me .ozo sucked in just abut every game he played period end of discussion.he desreved nothing based on his play .

    72. The title of this blog is Tom’s trip to the farm. Sam is talking about the funny farm I hope because Tom will be useless in Hartford. Sonar might punch his lights out.

    73. Doodie Machetto on

      OK, I suppose his 14 pts in 19 games is terrible. That looks terrible. It was only 3rd highest point total among our returning defensemen. (Tyutin had 25, Rozsival 30), even though he did it in 19 games and it took them all season. I’d say that’s pretty good. He had 2 PP goals in that span too. Tyuts had 4 and Rozi 3. But we all like Tyutin, and most of us can at least deal with Rozsival for veteran presence. He played well for us last season, end of story.

    74. Doodie Machetto on

      I’m sorry, Malik had 18 pts, but it took him all season playing with the highest scoring line in the league

    75. Hey Sam, that backyard photo. Send Renney up there to do some scouting. That’s a great picture, where do they keep the Zamboni??

    76. Doodie – Ozo was so bad he was booed off the ice by playoffs end (and fell off the wagon to boot). Remember the title of the position he is supposed to play is defence. This is not rotisserie hockey.

    77. czechthemout!!!!! on

      14 pts in 19 gms for 28 pts against.he is so bad that i don’t want to even type his name any more.

    78. Shanny scored many of his goals on the PP and a center wasn’t an issue on the PP with who he played with. Now he has no center and isn’t scoring on the PP so getting him going on either is an issue.

    79. I believe the Hartford players you named as well as others, including Hugh Jessiman are ready to see NHL play.
      SALARIES BEING PAID TO PLAYERS ON THE CURRENT RANGER ROSTER determine all decisions…however the day of this reckless
      thinking may soon be done. Let’s hope so…we could call it
      the PURGE of 2007.

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