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I’m fairly certain that in our many discussions over the past few months on this site, the most popular subject matter has to do with the opportunities — or the lack thereof — provided young players in the Rangers organization (with my wrinkled clothes and assortment of hockey injuries ranking not far behind).

With that in mind, I’m assuming these remarks from Tom Renney will be of interest. The question had to with personnel changes, specifically bringing players up from Hartford, and why the Rangers have been reluctant to make many.

Bear with me, because it’s a long answer:

“The kids were sent down because we felt they weren’t ready, and by the nature of the start to their season, they weren’t. They are becoming closer to being ready but that’s the growing pains, and I’d rather they learn that dynamic there as opposed to here where the stakes, quite honestly, are higher.

“I’m probably guilty of giving guys another chance to get it right, and I assume responsibility for what is in front of me as a team. I’m not one of those guys that goes to management and says, ‘We need players. Get me better.’ I take the responsibility seriously. This is what I have. I’ve agreed to participate in this process, and this is my job. So Renney, do your job.

“So if Glen (Sather) and Donnie (Maloney) come to me — and they do — and they say, ‘Tom, what do you think of so and so?’ I tell them what I think. But I also tell them, ‘This is our team, guys. I believe we can win with this group. I believe we can get better. I believe we can do what’s required of us, and if you feel strongly about a change from what you see from your management, convince me. I’m OK with that.'”

One other part: I asked Renney how the dynamic works with Jim Schoenfeld, whether the Hartford GM and coach is in his ear about bringing players up. Renney said that Schoenfeld never makes a case for a player unless Renney and others in New York ask first. I asked Renney how often the team makes those inquiries. The coach said pretty much every day, and that while the usual suspects have been invoked — i.e. Jarkko Immonen, Ryan Callahan — that some new names have cropped up as well.

I would imagine that Dane Byers is one of them, and maybe the resurgent Nigel Dawes, or even a defenseman like Dan Girardi.

Anyway, it’s a lot to process, but to be honest, fairly revealing to me since I’ve never completely grasped how the dynamic works.

Some other updates:

  • In a related story, Thomas Pock is a scratch tonight in place of Karel Rachunek. See above.
  • Kevin Weekes is starting in net.
  • A clarificiation is in order from “my post yesterday”:http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2007/01/10/in-search-of-answers/: I asked Aaron Ward if he was one of the players making all the racket next door to my little cubicle here, and he said it wasn’t. For that, I apologize.

    Anyway, somehow the conversation turned to Rangers fans on internet message boards, as well as on this blog.

    Ward said he doesn’t read them, but “I understand they hate me.”

    I shrugged my shoulders.

    “Not really,” I said. “Although everyone’s targeted at one time or another.”

    Which is true, of course. Myself included.

    Anyway, more from the Garden later….

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    1. Sam,

      Great stuff. My general translation of Renney’s comments: I feel it is my responsiblity to win with the players upper management has provided to me. I am guilty of giving veterans the chance to correct their mistakes rather than replacing them with younger players. I have not asked upper managment for help with respect to personnel and think that we can win with the players we have. We are better off with young players making mistakes in the AHL rather than with the Rangers. If changes are to be made in personnel, upper management needs to convince me of the changes because I think we can win with what we have.

      My translation: we’re in deep trouble.

    2. So, Renney thinks we can become a Cup contender with the defense we have right now? No trades?
      About scratching Pock – not surprising at all…

    3. VtRanger – Though I hate his philibusters, I haven’t had too much of a problem with Renney….But, like you, these comments scare me a bit…

      A team and organization often needs the coach to be a lightening rod for needed change and evolution while, if I am reading his latest thoughts correcly, Renney is fine with just working with the hand that was dealt him, not rockingthe boat and stubbornly doing the Square peg round hole dance until somebody like Sather or Maloney makes the call on what players to give him?…No way this team can improve in this fashion…

      And after all this garbage coming from Renney’s mouth after the last game and the only change is Pock to sit out for Rachunek? What kind of message is that?

    4. Ok … get ready for another loss tonight. It is time for “Fire Renney” chants! Why is Pock scratched??? Oh I forgot we have a great Marek “Chris Pronger” Malik in the lineup! This is pathetic Rozy played much better when paired with Pock. IMO it is a perfect time for dental opertion for Mr. “Dum-Dum”. Why are the young players are being punished for veterans mistakes??? Pathetic….

    5. sounds like it’s going to take a couple more bad losses before anyone (Hall, Ward, Hossa) sits. I think all of the success that the team had last season has clouded the so called “youth movement”.

    6. Before Malik came back, I thought it was pretty obvious that when he recovered from his groin strain you would insert him into the line-up (over Pock)…but it seems that almost every game Malik makes some serious mental errors on defense and that results in either a scoring chance or a goal.

      It used to be that you could rely on him being relatively conservative and steady, but this year I’ve seen him try to step up a lot and get beaten round the outside (and sometimes on the inside). What used to be one of his strengths, the first pass out of the zone, seems to be far less reliable this year too.

      When you factor in that he plays with the Nylander line his weaknesses are exposed further, especially when you consider that Jagr seldom backchecks, and that Nylander seems to do have trouble in his own zone too.

      By contrast Pock makes plenty of mistakes of his own, but the thing I do like about his play is that he gets the puck on or towards the net with greater reliability than any of the other d-men. It’s an aspect the Rangers lack on the blueline and it’s something they could use more on the power play…particularly the 2nd unit.

      Finally, I’m not sure where Aaron Ward picked up the idea that the Rangers fans hated him…I have been pleasantly surprised with his addition to the team. I wasn’t convinced initially that he was a sound signing, but I think the Rangers probably get more value per dollar out of him than the likes of Kasparaitis, Rachunek and Malik…if anything Malik is enemy #1 on the Rangers blueline currently, with Rachunek, Kasparaitis and Pock all getting their share of detractors during the season to date.

    7. I agree rob…this is probably the most frustrating aspect. While I understand Renney saying Immonen doesn’t fit on the 4th line, it’s hard to understand how moving Hollweg or Ward to the 4th line center spot makes it any better.

      I’m also surprised at how much leeway they’ve given to the likes of Hossa, Hall, Ward and Hollweg this season…although you could probably argue that Ward deserved the benefit of the doubt based on his play last year and decreased role this season. The disappointing part is these are the guys in the mid-20s who’d you expect to be doing something each game…even if they’re not scoring, it’d be nice to see them hitting, or even forechecking/backchecking hard.

    8. “I’m probably guilty of giving guys another chance to get it right, and I assume responsibility for what is in front of me as a team”

      You got that right Tom. And that means we can hold you responsible.

      Pock sitting tonight is a travesty, but no surprise with Terrible Tom in charge.

      Sam, great stuff as usual, thank you.

    9. OK, now my take, since time constraints prohibited me from offering it before:

      Just as Renney said, he is guilty of being A) too loyal to players and B) too stubborn to throw up his hands and ask for help.

      All that being said, Renney’s is not the final voice, so even if the coach isn’t asking for it, the responsibility still falls to management — Sather and Maloney — to provide him with the right players if others aren’t working out. Now, the assumption is that management is indeed trying to get something done, but as has been aluded to here before, the great stumbling block is over who is of worth to other teams. Because obviously if they’re expendable to the Rangers, they might not be of great value anywhere else.

      There are exceptions: the Rangers seem to have a glut of third and fourth-line type checking forwards, which could conceivably be something other teams need. But outside of that, just wanting to trade players doesn’t mean you necessarily can.

      Sam

    10. Last year, things clicked at Hartford and with the Rangers, because, remember what Renny, et. al said, we have instituted an organization wide system that is followed at the AHL level and when players come up they can fit right in at the NHL level. But, after last season, more than half of the Hartford team disappeared and additions where made to the Rangers from other NHL clubs. If you keep overhauling that much, it takes time for newbies from AHL and NHL to learn the system. This season should have been a duplicate of last year, with more kids ready to advance by end of this season or start next season on the big club.

      Why can NJ keep its system going season after season and we can’t? New personnel fit right in quickly with the program there.

    11. I don’t see how they keep considering Malik a “must-start” – unless Jags has demanded it. Yes he is +15 but that is more a result of good timing rather than solid defensive work. He plays softer than the Marshmallow Man in Ghostbusters and is just about as lumbering. Pock makes mistakes as well but unlike Malik, he hustles to get back in the play rather than try to find the ref or dwell on the error and look disgusted. If he is so upset over a play, why doesn’t he do the little things that would stop the mistakes from happening in the first place …

      Speaking of mistakes – Hallsie needs to take a seat. Maybe they should give Callahan a shot after the AHL All Star Game. Hall is a team worse -13 and went from being invisible on the ice to glaringly taking himself out of position by attempting big hits. He is too slow to be an energy line player and not good enough defensively to play on a checking line. Renny needs to give him a rest so he can go soul searching or something and find a role that will work (even if it is just as trade bait).

      Sam – Renny put together the HBO line for all of one shift last game, was there any indication at practice that they will be back tonight? I think that for this team to be successful those three need to be paired for the energy line – Betts is fast enough for it and Cullen is a better checking line center anyway … Now just to get Sather to get a second line center or to allow Immonen the shot to take that slot (for more than two shifts) …

      And I for one don’t hate Aaron Ward at all – I think the team tried to sell Ward to us as a defensive savior from the Stanley Cup champs when all he is/was is a good, solid, unspectacular soldier.

    12. And welcome to Renneys ‘Platoon’ system for his D-men. Remember that nice little plan? Everyone can come in and out of the line up to keep all fresh?? Seems like its working only for Pock, the others didnt get the memo.

      Thanks for the latest update Sam, you are the man. glad to see the cut to your head didnt injure the brain…

      And why would Aaron ward think we hate him?? He is our saving grace next to Tyutin compared to the rest of these guys.. not to mention he is hysterical.

    13. Hospo/Sam,

      Although I think Renney is a vast improvement over others who have coached the team simce Sather took over, the cynic in me sees these latest comments as an affirmation that Renney is yet another “yes” man for Sather. I agree that a coach shouldn’t be in the position of making strategic personnel decisions, but he’s got to be willing to confront his superiors when he knows he doesn’t have the right players to win or execute the game plan. If Renney is unwilling to do that, then I am disappointed in him. If Renney truly believes that the players he has now are capable of winning (and I mean playoff games), then I am beyond disappointed. “Hopeless” and “infuriated” would be the words that come to mind.

    14. How is it that people who are around hockey as a professional career for their whole lives have less of a clue than random Internet bloggers?

      Renney has finally revealed himself to the world as a mediocre NHL coach who was much better in his role in player development. Renney might be a good coach to have oversee a rebuild, which was incidentally the original plan, but he is not the man to determine which veterans need to go and which kids need to be given a longer leash to run free at the NHL level.

      Sometimes prospects need to make mistakes at the NHL level. Leaving them in the AHL because the NHL stakes are too high only makes sense if the veterans on the team are not making the same mistakes.

      Renney has in effect admitted that he is age bias and cannot distinguish when a veteran is struggling. And he leaves out the biggest point of all; kids learn from mistakes, they get better. Veterans who keep making the same mistakes over and over for years only get older.

      When you let the veterans make rookie mistakes over and over without repercussions your team begins to weaken from within. At least when kids are making mistakes, they are hungry and eager to make up for them. They have enthusiasm and gumption to go out and prove they won’t make that mistake again. A veteran forgets he made the mistake in about 30 seconds, especially when the coach does not remind them 20 times over the next week.

    15. Obviously Ward does read the blogs. And if he is, I would say this to him. BE MORE PHYISCAL. Many problems with this team on the blueline is a lack of a physical presence.

      Back to Tommy. This is EXACTLY why i don’t feel bad for him or that he’s getting an unfair shake. What HAS to happen for him to finally do something other than sit pock, sit jarko, sit orr, and maybe one gm sit hossa.

      Sam I agree with your assessment. Renney is too loyal to his guys to a fault and it’s getting to the point of absurd and that it is resulting in a drop in our playoff chances.

      How many additional chances do some of these guys get.
      It’s not so much what else or lack there of a player do to feel like his job is in jeopardy.

    16. I’m so mad at my team I’m just going to put back the players I’m mad at because I can’t coach.

      That is Tom Renney who is embarrassing himself.

    17. It was reported not too long ago either by one of the papers (Brooks?) or blogs (Blueshirt Bulletin?) that Renney did in fact meet with Maloney to request help for the team during the 7-game losing streak, and Sather interupted their meeting and told them to basically work with what they had, they weren’t at the point that it was necessary to look outside for help yet.

      If I have time this afternoon I’ll see if I can find where I read it.

    18. Anthony (Abev) on

      Sam, I enjoy the way you write and the angles you take on certain subjects.

      Some other columnists in NY write what people want to hear, which is why I can’t get through their articles. I hope you never go down that road.

    19. “All that being said, Renney’s is not the final voice…”.

      Sam, maybe not in acquiring players, but as far as who plays and who doesn’t on a nightly basis, he should be, he’s the coach. And if he is, maybe he can explain how traffic cone Malik, who was the worst d-man on the ice vs. Isles dresses for speedy Ottawa and more mobile Pock, who was probably the best vs. Isles sits.

      As I said before, Renney has b.s.ed us so much, he can’t remember his own b.s.

      HE MUST GO!

      Re: Ward…”He is our saving grace next to Tyutin compared to the rest of these guys..”

      Bleeker, Ward’s game has gone straight south since beginning of December. Not a good role model for Tyutin anymore. Add to that his polite confrontations with opposition who have been brutalizing his teammates. So far he got a punch in the chops and a face wash for his etiquette. Embarrassing.

    20. sam would it have killed you to say to a ward. “no they don’t hate you your one of their favs but they miss the physical play you started the year with other than that they don’t say anything bad about you” wouldn’t have been on you at all buddy :)

    21. I have pretty much lost faith in Tom Renney. I am so tired of this guy waxing poetically like he is some coach who has won multiple Stanley Cups or even made it into the playoffs more than once in his career.

      Hey Tom, you have put together a team that has one kid who will fight (Hollweg) and a veteran (Shanahan) who has one fight on the season. Meanwhile Colton Orr, when he plays, is willing to step up, but usually gets his head handed to him, as does Hollweg.

      When this team was loved by the city, early 1990’s, we had guys like Domi, King, Kocur, Wells, Beukeboom, Messier, Graves, Noonan, Greg Gilbert, Mike Hudon, Pat Verbeek etc, all guys willing and able to drop the gloves to win a game or send a message to the other team that the Rangers are not to be messed with.

      Tom Renney’s Rangers are, to me, the softest team in the league. And no offense to the players, maybe they’re not guys who are willing to drop ‘em, this is the fault of Renney and Sather. To put a team on the ice that has no scoring AND no physical presence is a recipe for disaster.

    22. And why is it that the lousier Renney coaches, the more we hear, “Oh, he’s better at player development”. Better than who, Carrot Top? Nice job handling Prucha, Immo, Dawes, Callahan, Pock, etc, Tom. No doubt he’ll be fired as coach and land in his golden parachute as head of player development for the Rangers. Only in Rangerland. We’re in hell. It’s hot and a long climb out.

    23. I’m still trying to grasp that Malik is playing tonight. Didn’t Renney say…….. oh never mind its all talk and no action.

    24. A. Ward good? for 2.5 million? are you guys serious?

      pock is not the best d-man but compared to the other guys we have here! he’s one of our top 3. the coach just sits him because it’s the easy way out.

      go rangers

    25. this statement that Renney made is very troubling–‘This is our team, guys. I believe we can win with this group. I believe we can get better.‘

      it might be too late before they realize that something needs to be done..

    26. I think they will pull some strings anyway. You don’t have to be an expert in hockey to see there is something wrong.

    27. I can’t add anything that already hasn’t been said, but Weekes in net vs a red hot offensive teams spells disaster, and how wonderful to see Malik not being made accountable.

    28. The more I haerr Renney’s nonsense the more I realize this team is all Sather. Renney should just come out and say Glen tells me who to dress and who to sit. Why else would the same guys get chance after chance after chance when they do nothing. No coach no matter how stupid or loyal to his players would continue to do that if they wanted to keep there job. Of course Renney will always have a job with Sather so actually working to win in order to save your job doesn’t apply here.

    29. Didn’t Renney say a while back that the goalie dates were already set long in advance. I bet some people actually believed him. Sather tells him who to start.

    30. I usually attend 4 maybe 5 games per year. This year I have been very lucky. Lucky to have had tickets to Tuesday’s game and also for tonight.

      Lucky because the Rangers could’t possibly lose to the Isle’s again…right!

      Lucky because VS. Ottowa – should be a good game right?
      Real lucky…

      Back to back games – nice.

    31. the the exception of jagr, straka, nylander, shannahan, prucha, cullen, betts, hollweg, tyutin, pock (when he plays) and sometimes ward, the entire rangers forward and defensive core is Soft, Slow, and Stupid. Usually, decent players exhibit one of these qualities.

      Not our all stars like marcel “red light” hossa, adam “I really AM a big pussy” hall, jason “don’t worry, it’ll be just one more month before slats vision of me fulfilling my 1st round potential comes to fruition” ward, michael “i might have the lowest power play points per powerplay time in the league” rosival, marek “enough said” malik, darius “the shell” kasparitis, karel “if i haven’t shown i can adapt to the new nhl game in half a season, then i probably won’t be adapting to it anytime soon” rachunek. These guys manage to exhibit all three of the S’s.

      On top of that, cullen, though fast and often hardworking, could certainly bang guys around a bit more, and could deffinitely play smarter hockey – and could it hurt the guy to stay on his feet for all of just one game?

      prucha, as tough as he is, is 170 pounds. not gonna push anyone around with that flyweight.

      it goes on and on and on.

      we have few complete players on incredibly poorly constructed team. fuck renney and fuck sather if they can’t see that we’d better off with ahl players. at least we’d be learning while we’re losing instead of stagnating while we’re losing.

    32. This is just so discouraging………it is almost hard to believe.

      Our defense is in shambles, but Malik and Rachunek will be out there.
      Holweg is up to HOW many minutes without a single point? Is there a Ranger record he is going for, before Hossa blew it?
      Hossa….he must be a star that only Tom Renney sees….
      anyone with a hockey stick and skates could do what Malik does: watch skaters wiz by and reach out and hold them…………

      Wouldn’t you HATE to be a prospect in the Ranger organization??

      I feel like, for the most part, the contributors to this blog “get it”. It is almost therapeutic reading the comments. NY fans are hockey savvy but Sather just does not believe that.

    33. by the way, to the contributor that said that Ward reads the blogs:

      you are right on target. They all do, or their wives, girlfriends, (or in the case of Brokeback Brashear, a significant other), and tell them what NY fans are saying. If I were on the ice, I would want to know…………………………..

      Even Sam and Al know what we are saying…….NY fans are to be heard. Since Mike and the Doggie don’t talk hockey, we have to get heard somewhere! this is a good place!

    34. I can say two things…one Pock should NOT be scratched. Malik if one HAS to go out. The onlt reason I dont say Kasper is becasue when he dose catch someone from the other team with the puck, he isnt nice to them, and thats needed right now….but Malik dosnt do anything now. last year he had a palce, but he quickly proved he dosnt have one this year. On the OTHER Renney comments…just an idea, but COULD he be saying all those nice things to the media for the teams benifit? I mean, he ripped them publicly, something he dosnt do often, now he may need to help rebuild their confidence. Ive never herd him say anything like that before, I mean, he has always said he can win with this team, but ALWAYS says that a trade might be needed or would be helpful, and now it seems he is talking up “the boys” more than usual…might be totally wrong…but its a thought.

    35. im good buddies with a couple of the guys in the show and let me tell you they are full of shit when they say they don’t read the boards or the papers. they have alot of down time when they are playing home games and they spend ALOT of time on line. they never post but they do read. at least the guys im friends with

    36. Heard a rumor from a couple of websites, some announcers and an “un-named general manager”. According to the rumor the Rangers and Edmonton are involved in trade talks. Names that have come up from the Oilers are: Raffi Torres(foward), Ryan Smyth(foward), Matt Greene(defense), Petr Nedved(foward). Names from the Rangers:Kaspar,Rachunek,Pock,Malik,Immonen,
      Jason Ward(foward). I really hope they don’t trade for Nedved.

    37. from that group of players not one ranger as a matter of fact not any total of those rangers is equal to even ONE of the guys your offering from the edmonton side. they’d never do any kind of deal like that with that combo of players.

    38. Nick V.: just said on another site…even if its Nedved for Malik?? I mean…I know…talk about bad for bad, but at least Pock would get in the lineup…

    39. kovy27 : like it or not, Rachunek, Pock, Immo and Ward are all younger players…now I know they arnt worth one of the younger player listed from edmonton, but a couple may being one younger palyer back. I am NOT saying I think thats what is in mid wit the terams…probably more something like Malik for Nedved, or something basicly that is a wash, and just a shake up for ither team…

    40. Glad to hear many cheering on Pock. He is young and will make mistakes, but the more he plays the better he will be. He was top rate at Hartford.

      Can we live with young players making mistakes….YES. They will learn from the errors.

      What is frustrating is when vets make mistakes that should have been out of their system years ago, and yet they are allowed to continue playing.

      Nedved? Wouldn’t surprise me, but OUCH!!!!!

    41. Isn’t Pock a free agent at the end of the year? I like him, but better to trade him since it’s almost unbelievable that he would resign with this organization after how’s he’s been [not] used.

    42. This is very disheartening to read Sam, but great insight.
      I had faith in Renney after last year because they finally seemed to have a plan and a clue after the Low,SLats & Trottier FUBAR operations. But when it’s clear that the glaring weakness on this team is defense and you continue to play the usual suspects, who continue to make seemingly the same mistakes (Malik) or continue to show they can no longer keep up (Ka$per), yet not sit one or both while a steady & hungry kid like Pock sit on the bench is dumbfounding. And if Pock makes the mistakes, so be it, at least he has upside and seems to play better each game.

    43. Kirill: I has been said in the past…sometimes trade rumors come from teams asking about teh availability of a palyer, and thtas starts the rumor that teams are discussing a palyer. There is a posibility, that Pock could be going in part of a trade for Greene, teh Oilers are looking for a puck moveing defender, the Rangers need a physicle blueliner…perhaps Immo goes as well or something. That wouldnt be so unheard of. That COULD also be part of why Pock is not palying…pure speculation…but it COULD make some sense for both teams. I jsut dont imagine the Oilers giving up Greene…but ya never know..Pock is young so they may want his style more. I dont know if its something that has any truth to it…but the fact that two young defender are named might mean something, and the oilers are rumord to want a skating defender..sooo..it may be something.

    44. “”””””””””So if Glen (Sather) and Donnie (Maloney) come to me—and they do—and they say, ‘Tom, what do you think of so and so?’ I tell them what I think. But I also tell them, ‘This is our team, guys. I believe we can win with this group. I believe we can get better. I believe we can do what’s required of us, and if you feel strongly about a change from what you see from your management, convince me. I’m OK with that.’â€?
      “”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

      CONVINCE ME ??? wtf?

      can you believe this guy ?

      He wants no changes, wants to stay the course, but IF Sather and Maloney want some changes, they will have to CONVINCE him to accept any changes to his beloved retread vets.

      This guy is beyond clueless.

      and as for Pock sitting out, I posted that right after his tirade 2 nights ago that the only change would be Pock out and Raccoon in. zebra Renney will never change his stripes.

      Sam, did Renney ever demand to know who stole the strawberries ?

    45. Sam –

      Does it matter, really, what Renney says or doesn’t say?

      I remember so well those propoganda pieces on the msgnetwork during the lockout.

      Set in a darkened garden with the ice surface prominently lit.

      Maloney and Renney in chairs with their backs to the ice up in the 400s with a crowd of season subscribers (some cynical, some “true believers) applauding various statements.

      The one that sticks in my mind, I still can “hear” Maloney… “You can’t do it the way we were doing it. You can’t build without actually committing to it. Acquiring vets from all over the NHL was not the answer. We have to get younger and we have to do it within our own organization.

      “We’ve learned our lesson….”

      Just what we wanted to hear but consider the Rangers of 2006-07.

      We heard it, but that didn’t come to pass (and if the treatment accorded Pock and Dawes is an example we never will).

      There’s a vast empty chasm between Sather, Maloney and Renney and us.

      Call it the Credibility Gap.

    46. Does anybody on this site ever say anything positive or is this strictly a forum to bash everything Rangers?

      Is there ever any real discussion or just braindumps loaded with strife and half assed opinions?

      C’mon guys. Sam is giving us some good info and all the responses are always crap and redundant.

    47. here’s something positive for you, pal.

      the Rangers were positively awful tues. night

      “We were brutal” said Tom Renney

      but this pollyanna wants us to make chicken salad out of chickenbleep.

    48. How can you be positive while our coaching staff have no clue what to do and our pres. doesn’t really care.
      We made a Playoffs first time in 8 years last season – that is only positive thing I can see right now.

    49. DAN, This is an excellent ranger fan site. there some very good posts today that are not just negative but, are insightful. Kovy27, Alex Roberts, Mike V and seamus all have greats posts. This team is not good and its is a shame. Passionate and Knowledgeable fans are going to vent and this is the best place to do it. WE, as Ranger fans, are not happy with this team or efforts

    50. What do we have to be positive about Dan?

      Renney saying this has to change after his team got smacked around and then doing nothing? Sorry can’t find any positives in that one.

      How about benching Pock and playing Malik who was on for three goals vs the isles. How many chances does Malik get while Pock’s chances are limited to injury replacement. Sorry can’t find any positive in that one as well.

      The team has to change otherwise it is a 500 club at best and that is not my idea of a good season.

      From L Brooks

      Marcel Hossa, who has played 670 shifts this season and has recorded a point on two of them. Of course, he never sits.

    51. OK. Well at least I know to never come back to this site ever again. 1 loss in the last five and all there is is bashing. There are beter places to read about the Rangers than here. That’s for sure!

    52. tsalad: I actuly DO agree with alot of what you say…but you always seem to fall back on the number of points to determin a players ability to be in the NHL. It is not a fair way of looking at players…there are to many other variables…

    53. thanks joey!!

      but just to back what he’s saying the team has been pretty bad lately so we talk about how bad they are. when they are good we’ll talk about how good they are. thats just the name of the game however there are some good comments from good minds here just have to sift through it and find them like any other site. but imo this blog when i found it over the summer (FIRST COMMENTER EVER BY THE WAY SAM BACK ME UP) i was thrilled. nowhere else could you ever get closer to the inside of the team than here. sam gives you everything you need. made the offseason fly by. good stuff here

    54. kovy27: Problem is..there were people talking bad about this team at during the 5 game winning streak, and actuly from the begining of the season. SOme peopel will only be happy is the teams average age is 25 and ONLY if it is also the players they feel are trhe best, and than if they dont win they would blame it on Sather…I tinhk some people are blinded by difrent things and cant think objectivly at all…and its to bad, becasue some of them could proably add alot of hockey knowlege to the discusions if they would just settle down a little.

    55. you mistake winning with playing GOOD.

      imo we did not play very well during that first five game winning streak. in fact dallas should have been a blowout if not for henke….

    56. kovy27: but Dallas PROVES why this is a team sport. Peopel will bring up other teams that have been good…those teams as well had nights when the Goalie needed to win it, and times when the team had to win for the netminder who is having a bad night…it all evens out..or at least should.

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