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Greetings from the morning skate, where I continue to field mocking questions about the cut above my eye. I went on to brag to anyone who would listen that after the collision in question, I did not miss a shift. What I failed to mention is that it was literally the last shift of the game, so it was never an issue.

Details…

Meanwhile, some updates:

  • Far from declaring his hip flexor cured, Jaromir Jagr still stepped off the ice just now and said he will skate against the Islanders tonight. “I think I can play, but I don’t know how good,” the right wing said. “But I feel better than yesterday.” Jagr said he still hasn’t completely tested the injury because he doesn’t want to risk further damage, and when I asked him if he’d be better served taking a night off, he suddenly turned stoic. “I’ve never done that in my hockey career. If I can go, I go. I never look forward.” Cue the “Rocky” theme.
  • Karel Rachunek is out again with a foot injury, meaning Thomas Pock will again skate alongside Darius Kasparaitis.
  • As I surmised yesterday, Tom Renney confirmed the problem with Jarkko Immonen was he wasn’t quite ready to center one of the team’s top two lines, and he didn’t quite fit with the checking roles of the third and fourth lines. Hence, he’s back in Hartford for now.

    “I think that’s fair to a point, and you know what, he could be a top-line center in this league for somebody else, and I’m not suggesting that’s what we’re doing with him. I like the way Matt (Cullen) has been able to assimilate the center ice position the last couple of games, so I want to stick with that,” Renney said. “With that it sort of shuffles Jarkko down the lineup and that has diminishing effects over time. I like putting offense on that fourth line, but I just don’t feel comfortable with that just yet at this point in time. I think he’s got to play a bit more and be in a position to come back and offer that up.”

    Naturally, much of this can be traced to both Matt Cullen and Petr Prucha emerging from their scoring slumps. Because if the second-line was still struggling, I’d imagine Immonen would still be here.

  • The Islanders have lost six straight, but there is a general sense that they will come after the Rangers tonight much in the way the Rangers ended their seven-game swoon against the Capitals on Dec. 30. It’s a perfect game for the Islanders in that sense. It should be fun.

    I’ll be back with more later..

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    1. I’m pretty sure that “not looking forward” was what Jagr was doing when he hurt his shoulder in the playoffs…

    2. Sam,

      If Jagr can’t go, who dresses in his place with ORR suspended and jarko sent down? i am surprised they haven’t called anyone up?

    3. Doodie Machetto on

      “Naturally, much of this can be traced to both Matt Cullen and Petr Prucha emerging from their scoring slumps. Because if the second-line was still struggling, I’d imagine Immonen would still be here.”

      I’ve been saying the same thing.

      Thanks for the update Sam.

      PS, next time anyone asks you how you got that, you could:
      1)put up your hands and say “you wanna find out?”
      2)say “you should see the other guy”
      3)Tell them you looked at Derek Boogaard
      4)tell them you were mistaken for Jagr/Prucha and took an elbow/hit to head

    4. Boy, “mealy-mouthed” would be an apt description of Coach Renney’s explanations, no?

      He contradicts himself within the same sentence regularly.

      Oh well, at least he “answered” the question. Let’s see, I got from his statement that:

      1. Immonen is probably good enough to center a top line for another team in the NHL but…
      2. Cullen is hot, and he wants to stick with him
      3. Renney wants more offense on the 4th line, but for some reason isn’t ready to do that yet, perhaps because….
      4. Immonen has to play more in the AHL to show that he could deliver offense on a 4th line in the NHL, although Renney said at the beginning that he feels he could center a top line in the NHL.

      So, Coach, what exactly are you saying? That our level of talent is so high, that even a top line center in the NHL isn’t capable of centering our 4th line?

      I wonder if he’s so clear when he “coaches” these guys on what things they need to improve on. I can picture a lot of shaking heads as kids walk away from his sessions.

    5. “Tom Renney making zero snse about Immonen and his team. Half the season is already over Tom. When are you going to feel comfortable, Game 75? Say one thing do another.

      “I like putting offense on that fourth line, but I just don’t feel comfortable with that just yet at this point in time”

    6. Tom,

      Wake up buddy – the end is closer than you think.

      Renney said. “With that it sort of shuffles Jarkko down the lineup and that has diminishing effects over time. I like putting offense on that fourth line, but I just don’t feel comfortable with that just yet at this point in time. I think he’s got to play a bit more and be in a position to come back and offer that up.�

      WHAT????????

    7. I have no problem with Jarko being sent down and no problem with Renney’s explanations…Right now, Cullen finally has started doing something decent at C and all the other Centers are doing their jobs which leaves nothing for IMMO at the moment…And I agree with Renney that right now he is not a 2nd line C and he sure isn’t the skating checking C he wants in Betts on the 3rd line…

      As for his comments about the 4th line offense, it makes sense to me…He wants to put some offense there but is afraid of giving up too much on the defensive/checking side..We all know he is cautious….I guess he’ll feel comfortable when he finds a quasi-offensive center that also handles his defensive responsibvilities well …And I’m sure he’s hopingthat guys like IMMO and DUbinsky turn into that as they progress….More then likely though, we will see a trade for a 2nd C and shift down of Cullen abd Betts, butthat’s another story..

    8. Renney bullsh!ts so much, he forgets which bullsh!t he has to cover for. Pathetic. Esp. seeing how many people lap it up.

    9. Hospo:

      Since you don’t have a problem with Renney’s explanation, perhaps you can explain to me what he means by this:

      “I think that’s fair to a point, and you know what, he could be a top-line center in this league for somebody else, and I’m not suggesting that’s what we’re doing with him.”

      ??

    10. Twin – First off, I’m not an expert on Renney’s overblown rationalizations and philosophing..Alot of the time it’s just hot air, but I still try and figure it out now and then…

      I think he was being nice to the kid in press and What I think he means in that statement is that, who knows, maybe he could be a top center (or 2nd Center) for somebody now or in the future but the Rangers just don’t see him as that (and I agree) right now

    11. renney is obviously trying to keep the guys confidence high by saying he could be a top line center in this league. what do you want him to say “nah the kid isn’t very good”. gotta keep his confidence high and his trade value higher. the facts are the kid ISNT very good but renney cant really say that can he.

    12. Twin —

      I’ll explain it in case something is lost in translation:

      He meant that Jarkko might not be ahead of Nylander or Cullen on the Rangers depth chart right now, but that he could be a top-two center for a team that doesn’t have players of that caliber. But he was also saying they weren’t necessarily shopping Jarkko around.

      In other news:

      The American Hockey League announced today that Wolf Pack right wing Ryan Callahan has been selected to the PlanetUSA All-Star team and defenseman Daniel Girardi has been selected as a starter for the Canadian All-Star Team for the 2007 Rbk Hockey AHL
      All-Star Classic, to be played January 28 – 29 at the Ricoh Coliseum in Toronto, Ontario.

    13. Guys, I think I know what he *meant* to say, but it’s the wierd way he does say things that bothers me. Obviously I don’t expect him to say the kid stinks, but he could be a little more forthright in his comments.

      Why doesn’t he just say “Cullen is hot right now and I want to stick with him at 2nd line center and we don’t see Jarkko thriving as a 3rd or 4th line center right now. We want him to go down and get top-line minutes in Hartford so that if we need somebody on the top 2 lines or if we decide we need more offense on the 3rd or 4th line we can bring him back up.”

      I’d be OK with this explanation, even if I don’t necessarily agree with him. Maybe he’s one of those people who just doesn’t articulate things in “real-time” very well.

      BTW, it’s all Hossa’s fault anyway ;-)

    14. What’s sickening is that when Nylander was out with his injury Jason Ward skated in his place… if Immonen is as good as he says then why didn’t he play in Nylanders spot?

      All I know iss that with Immonen in the lineup the Rangers get a guy who will bang, can pass and has a nose for the net.

      He should be in there for Hall anyways, just like Callahan should be playing as well.

      I think it’s time Sather did something and made a couple trades to make some room for Dawes, Callahan and Immonen, as well as a regular spot in the lineup for Pock.

    15. So Cullen can stink it up for 30 games, and play OK for a few and suddenly he’s hot enough to let Immonen fall into Forgottenville?

      Boy this Renney reveals himself as a dullard more and more with each passing day.

    16. How exactly is Matt Cullen “hot” right now?? Because he scored two goals last game? Well he went eight straigh without recording a point prior to that. He has gone on streaks of 17 games without scoring a goal this season.

    17. Twin – I think the problem is that he jsut articulates too much! Like you, his explanations bug me now and then but I often agree with his decisons..Well, except on Hossa..:)

      VOGS – I also think Renney is saying that in no way is IMMO as good as the Rangers first two Cs..And I agree…Personallu, I think Immo is a tad slow, not high energy and a little defecient on defense..He would not be an imoprovement on any of our Cs right now….(and he can’t play W for Hall)

    18. HDH/Chester – The Rangers biggest weakness is 2nd C..has been since the nanosecond Cullen (I am no big fan of Cullen) was signed….Jarko Immonen is FAR from an NHL 2nd C..A 4th C at best in my eyes….So Renney has to go with the best we got at 2nd C and, until we make a trade, that’s a blazing hot (1 game goal steak!) Cullen…Beggars can’t be choosers…

    19. Maybe we can remember that Cullen was also a Stanley Cup winner last year? Maybe we should be glad to have people around who have proven themselves to step up big-time in the playoffs? Too much regular-season myopia around here, take the longer view guys, c’mon…

    20. vogs

      Immo is by far not the fastest skater out there and if you put him on the same line with Jagr – that would have been a disaster. Renney made the right move by putting a D minded J.Ward to cnter 1st line while Nylander was out. And from what I have seen from Immo he played good for the first 2 games and became invisible just like last year. He is definitely a talented kid but he has to work a bit more.

    21. Doodie Machetto on

      Twin: maybe you should stand next to him at his press conferences and translate.

      “Why doesn’t he just say “Cullen is hot right now and I want to stick with him at 2nd line center and we don’t see Jarkko thriving as a 3rd or 4th line center right now. We want him to go down and get top-line minutes in Hartford so that if we need somebody on the top 2 lines or if we decide we need more offense on the 3rd or 4th line we can bring him back up.â€?”

      That’s exactly how I took it.

      I actually like Cullen, he hustles, he’s the fastest guy on the team, he keeps two hands on his stick (although it’s not always on the ice), but not as a 2nd line player. I’d like him a lot better as a 3rd line winger. That said, I do think Immonen is too slow, not to be a 2nd line center, but to be OUR 2nd line center. This is because the best wing on that line isn’t exactly speedy gonzalez, and will only get slower as the season progresses.

      Cullen’s game winner in MTL is an example. Shanahan didn’t beat out that icing because he was fast, he beat it because he was hanging at the blue line for a long bomb pass. No one was even close to the play except Shanny and his defender. Cullen was fast enough to get down there before Shanny even really got to the puck. That’s why I like Prucha on that line as well.

      Trust me, I don’t like that Cullen is our 2C, but with what’s in front of us, I reluctantly admit he’s the best choice. I’d much rather see him in that 3rd line Wing role, or, if he wasn’t paid so much, as a 4th line energy guy with Hollweg and Ortmeyer as an upgrade for D.Moore, which he absolutely would be.

    22. Right on, Vogs. How the hell are you? Long time.

      Kirill: Jagr line plays an east-west game. By the time Nylander twirls his way up ice, even I could already be in the offensive zone.

    23. Can somebody tell me with a straight face that Immonen is better than Cullen?

      HDH, stick to hockeybored.com. Don’t ruin this site too.

    24. Dan

      Immonen could potentially be better than Cullen as a second line center. Cullen is much more suited for 3rd line duties.

      And by the way, I didn’t know you were in charge of the internet. But thanks for your contribution and incredibly intellectual points.

    25. Doodie Machetto on

      “Could potentially be”

      Those three words sum up the entire issue with the Rangers this season. Either they can maybe win a few games now or “Could potentially be” better in the future. The bad thing is that it’s *potentially* be better. There are no guarantees. We could end up with a crop of young kids that turn into nothing. Don’t forget that. However, they could turn out even better than I expect (a bunch of 2nd line talent, no real star players). I can’t forget that.

      By choosing Cullen, Renney is choosing win now, which he has done consistently all season.

    26. immonen could never be better than cullen. guys give cullen a shot too here. the guy can skate, play defense, and score (just struggling right now which wouldn’t be the first fa to struggle his first year on a new team) immonen on the other hand can’t skate, can’t forcheck (to slow) and really doesn’t do much of anything. folks we can’t just fall in love with a player because he’s a kid. some of our kids DO STINK. yes its true. some of them aren’t good. this kid just happens to be one of them. he’s a classic tweener. just a tad to slow to translate his Ahl game to the Nhl game. guys that adapt like jason ward can fill that checker role even though they dominated in the A. immonen doesn’t really seem to be able to do that. its either he’s a top two line guy or he’s not. nigel dawes will be that kind of player imo as well. either he comes into the nhl and scores like he did in juniors and the ahl or he won’t be in the nhl because i don’t see him as a plugger. guys like callahan korpikoski dubinsky are special because you know they’ll make it no matter what either at full potential or as really good checkers.

      as far as renney goes its just his personality he’s a politician in front of the mike but for the most part you get what he’s saying its just always really careful.

    27. Let me jsut say one thing..Callahan should NOT be in the NHL this year, I mean, for short stints yeah, but not as a perminant position…let him have a dominant year in the AHL, let him have a chance at the Calder cup. It will do wonders for his confidence if he isnt really trying to get a spot THIS season in the NHL. Its hard enough for MOST kids to get to the NHL level, let alone in their first pro season. He will be fine getting onto the Rangers next season, he can still improve and the Rangers are doing great with him. They got him some NHL min, but realize that he can still devlope on teh farm. Immo vs. CUllen, somone said it, best spot for Cullen IMHO is the 3rd line, maybe wing, maybe center. But right now he is useing his speed very well ont he 2nd line. Scoreing goals isnt the ONLY thinkg that says a player is hot, he has been doing the little things all right, and he was rewarded with a couple the other night. His speed is putting other teams in reverse, and its opening up space for both Shanny and Prucha, as well as letting the D become more dangerous. He probably wont keep it up at this level forever, but maybe the Rangers are working on another tade, they tried to get Comrie but I bet they wanted to give up little or nothing for him in the way of youth. There are other centers out there who will be traded.

    28. Doodie Machetto: Like it or not, EVERY NHL COACHS JOB IS TO WIN…even teams that are totally rebuilding..they are EXPECTED to win as often as possible. Puting Immo is just says ” IM not trying to win im trying to make a young palyer work” and the onmly reason to do that is to make fans that want kids, JUST to have kids….thats NOT the way to run a team. Immo, and I said it before, is the perfect example of some Rangers fans blindly looking to youth, no matter if they should be in the lineup or not, they want youth. I want youth WHEN they are ready, and when they are int he CORRECT position. People wanting Dawes onth e3rd line or the 4th line, people wanting Immo on the 2nd line when its clear that he needs more work. People who want Callahan int he NHL instead of making sure he has plenty of time to develope in the minors. Its blind love for age. Thats just as bad IMHO as blindly looking to vets lieksome have…nither is good.

    29. blueshirts2k6 on

      Another post by wildcard full of hate toward the kids and love for the Sather way of doing things.

    30. blueshirts2k6 on

      Kovy huh? It’s not hard to be better than Cullen who has played like a medicore third liner at best. Immo showed more than Cullen in a short spurt it was another bad free agent signing by Senile Sather par the coarse.

    31. I think Tom Renney “could be a top-line coach in this league for somebody else”, but he just isn’t quite ready yet, he needs to go down and work on his thought speed. and “I just don’t feel comfortable with Renney just yet at this point in time. “I think he’s got to coach a bit more and be in a position to come back and offer that up.â€?

      That is called turning the tables.

    32. bs2K6: don’t forget kovy who is so convinced that Immonen and Dawes will never make it. Based on their extensive opportunity I’m sure. But he uses Jason Ward as an example of someone who “made it” as a plugger after dominating the A. Personally, I don’t think Jason Ward has proved anything at the NHL level except that he works hard. He’s not that great defensively, doesn’t hit and doesn’t score a lick. But he played for Renney at some point in his life and is Sather’s latest 1st round failure reclamation project (ala Rico Fata) which apparently earns him an extended opportunity including 1st line center duties (which he sucked at btw).

      But, it’s really all Hossa’s fault.

    33. Playing Immonen on the 4th line to get offense would mean J Ward would get to sit and Renney won’t ever do that because ward is so good. How about sitting Hall and moving Ward to Hall’s spot and putting immonen on the 4th line? Oh forgot Renney isn’t comfortable with offense from them yet. Wait until game 80 Tom.

    34. No one knows that Immonen and Dawes can or can not play based on what ice time and with what players they have played with. They need more time and patience but Rangers don’t have that because Ward and Hall are so good and Renney isn’t comfortable with offense on the 4th line. This organization is unbelievable.

      What happens when these kids never get the chance to play and Sather signs more UFA’s to fill those holes? I know, I will hear the kids need another year. Its always another year.

    35. don’t forget that J. Ward is one of Jagr’s cronies, so he gets 1st line C when Nylander is out.

    36. I would rather see them play w/o Jagr, so that Hossa could be on the 1st line, and if there’s a line above that, well then Hossa should be on that too. Hossa is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and he comes with the Tom Renney seal of approval.

      the Rangers never made the playoffs for 7 years until the great Hossa arrived.

    37. I THINK IT’S TIME FOR THE NHL TO REQUIRE TO THE PAYING FANS A DISCLOSURE BY EACH FRANCHISES MANAGEMENT AS TO WHAT ,IF ANY, AFFILIATIONS THERE ARE BETWEEN PLAYERS EITHER TRADED FOR OR DRAFTED, AND THE MANAGEMENT OR COACHES IN A PARTICULAR ORGANIZATION. I’M REALLY GETTING TIRED OF THE LAME EXCUSES AS TO WHO IS CAPABLE OF PLAYING ON THE NY RANGERS AND WHO IS NOT. WE AS THE FANS OF THE NHL DESERVE TO KNOW WHY MOVES ARE MADE AND TO WHAT EXTENT CERTAIN PLAYERS ABILITIES COME INTO PLAY VERSUS (NO PUN) PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS. IN MY OPINION OF COURSE.

    38. ” I’m not suggesting that’s what we’re doing with him” is an odd line.

      I get what he’s saying, Jarkko could be a top line center. Could be. Maybe not now, maybe not here, but roll the dice differently and you never know.

      Like I said in the other topic, though, I think it comes down to Jarkko not being defensive enough for the bottom two lines and not being the type of player that Shanahan needs. I don’t think Cullen is, either, so it might be somewhat mooted.

      But does anyone here actually think Shanahan and Immonen made a decent combination? Not on paper, actually watching the games.

    39. um when did i say dawes won’t make it??? as usual your off. because i never said that in fact im a big fan of the kid and think he’s a serious top six talent.

      jason ward for the record HAS MADE IT BUDDY. take a look he’s playing his second full year in the nhl. that constitues making it. whether you like him or not (i can’t stand him) he’s made it. and when he leaves here he’ll get another job.

      i really can’t stand reading replies that never seem to actually reply to anything that was ever said. happens alot here i notice and it always seems to be the same guys

    40. “i really can’t stand reading replies that never seem to actually reply to anything that was ever said. happens alot here i notice and it always seems to be the same guys”

      It’s why I hardly read Sam’s posts anymore.

      You get a few people that think the only solution to the Rangers is Immonen and Dawes. Now.

      They fail to properly read what you say and make weird assumptions based on your posts.

      And they latch on to anyone in the AHL regardless of whether we actually have room on the team, seemingly thinking we can put four scoring lines out there.

      It’s mindboggling at times. While their side may have some merit, not to the fanatical level they reach. And if you disagree it means you obviously think Sather is a genius and Hossa is the second coming, even if you never say anything close to those.

      I wonder how Hossa, Ward and Hall would be doing in the AHL. If they dominated, would they get the same feverish love Immonen does?

    41. its crazy your absolutely right and anyone that knows me knows that im the biggest “bring up the kids” guy out there. but there are some guys on here that just read two or three words in a post and GO NUTS instead of actually reading the post. totally lose all credibility in my eyes.

    42. I am not the biggest fan of Immonen. I think some fans put more stock in him because he was part of the Leetch deal. They also believe the propoganda put out by mgt that every draft pick or young player traded for is the next best thing. It is almost like when you 1st suspect there is no Santa Claus – you try that much harder to believe.

      That way of believing mgt is just as bad as believing mgt on other issues such as “we are rebuilding”.

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