Staggering to the finish line

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One would think this five-game winning streak could be extended to six tonight against the uneven Maple Leafs, especially with the recently infallible Henrik Lundqvist back in net.

Only one problem: that flu bug that had settled in with a couple of players earlier in the week has apparently made the trip to Canada, and has claimed a few more victims along the way (so much for Mark Messier and his Cold F/X cure all). Hence, the defensive alignments are in flux right now, so we probably won’t know who’s in and who’s out until game time.

Nonetheless, as long as Lundqvist is upright, a sixth straight win is within reach; and with the Devils up tomorrow at the Garden, there will be no rest for the Rangers upon their return.

Stay tuned.

Now on to a different topic, and that is the recent venomous tone of some posts in the comments section. Thankfully, this doesn’t apply to the vast majority of you, so I hope you’ll bear with me as I adapt my old man’s lecturing voice for everyone else.

Again, let’s be clear here: constructive criticism is encouraged. So is healthy debate, be it with me, or some of your fellow posters. I don’t have a problem with you taking me to task for some of my insights, nor do I have a problem with you criticizing the Rangers if you feel the need. As I mentioned, most of the posts fall comfortably inside these parameters, and that’s what’s allowed this site to thrive to the extent that it has.

That said, I do have a problem with personal attacks, and the extreme language in certain posts. This is hockey, folks. It’s not life and death. I love it as much as anyone, but there’s no need to steer some of these conversations in the direction they’ve recently headed.

And if you can’t control yourself, I suggest you find somewhere else to spend your time.

OK, lecture over. Back with more later…

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  1. Doodie Machetto on

    Cheers Sam, thanks for the update. I hope you’ll keep us posted with a list of players who are out.

    Man, did Pock pich the wrong time to accept that conditioning assignment!

    If Henrik isn’t sharp, expect a total scoring fest as the top line is going to put up big numbers in the Leafs’ Swiss Cheese defense.

  2. Cheers to Sam! I agree with your opinion on the postings on this blog. At times, the responses get way out of hand, which is why I don’t post that often. But anyhow, keep up the good work man. You offer 100x more information regarding the Blueshirts in this blog than what the dailies.

  3. Seriously guys can’t we all just get along, 5 in a row, why most we always focus on the negatives? Just be happy they won 5 in a row (doesn’t matter how it looks) cause the last time I checked there is no “Ugly Win” category in the standings.

    I know the team has weaknesses but what team doesn’t? Let’s just take it 1 game at a time and hope for the best.

  4. Right on, Sam. If they want to be classless, let ’em start their own bizarro blog.

    But, hey, let’s not count our win yet. Rangers better not come out flat and take penalties or Kaberle and McCabe will make us pay.

    Anyone else notice Larry Brooks flat-out call out the management for Prucha’s slide into oblivion? Sam, you think Renney gets that in his press clippings?

  5. you see, Sam. here we go again with the Pollyannas. right above this post is someone with the Rodney King b.s., lamenting that ANYTHING negative be said about the Ranger organ-i-zation.

    I agree with you about the over the top stuff, Sam. But there is only one guy who is responsible for most of that, under different aliases, and the pollyannas just encourage him by responding to his taunts.

    But, the knowlegeable, discerning critics, the guys who are exposing the flaws, are doing this team a favor, as the addition of Immonen, the switch to LW of Cullen, and the benching of Bozo prove. that would not have happened if fans had just kept their mouths shut and allowed Ranger mgmt. to continue business as usual. It WAS the criticism that made the changes happen.

    And I know you encourage that criticism, Sam. Just as you did in your blog today above. But a lot of these Pollyannas like this shuhead above take your admonitions to mean that we MUST NOT say one negative word about the team, which is just ridiculous. I know that you want honest debate here, not a Ranger PR dept. rubber stamp blog. But these shuheads of the world just don’t get it. they think you are telling everyone to be a Ranger Stepford fan. which you are certainly not doing.

    I just hope you will make it clear to these types that you have no problem with criticism, as long as it is productive and non-personal attack style.

    Thanks, Sam

  6. Sam: Maybe a bit OT, but do you sense that MSG/Rangers organization wants their AHL team out of Hartford?

    Some stats:
    This season Wolfpack avg. attendance: 3925 (AHL avg. 4966) compared to the Charlotte Checkers avg. attendance this season: 5491 (ECHL avg. 4022)

    The average ECHL attendance is higher than the Wolfpack in the AHL…

    I’d love your take on this. Great blog, keep it up!
    Regards from Austria (the country that exported Thomas Pöck, Thomas Vanek and the Terminator :-)

  7. 4Rangers,

    I respect your love of the team and your dedication to it, but I have to say I think you’re misguided if you think this blog — or any fan complaints anywhere — are responsible for changes in line-ups, call-ups, etc. Our protests and thoughts are not deciding anything. Taking credit for Immo’s arrival is like taking credit for the sun coming up; you may have predicted it, but it was likely to happen at some point anyway.

    Which is not to say I don’t think management SHOULD listen more often to what fans think. Lord knows they need all the help they can get.

  8. 4Rangers:

    I wouldn’t exactly consider you a hero just yet. You wrote that it’s the critics who are allowing the rangers to make the right moves to become a better organ-i-zation(that was a sarcastic use of your “clever” spelling of organization). Do you really know that it’s the critics that allowed this to happen? Is there proof? If not, that’s called o-p-i-n-i-o-n. There’s a difference between how one (one meaning you) perceives the world and the world itself. I know this counteracts your whole existence, but maybe they were (insert dramatic music here) good coaching moves!!?!?! Now…this isn’t a personal attack, just something I found funny. You wrote: “I just hope you will make it clear to these types that you have no problem with criticism, as long as it is productive and non-personal attack style.” and yet at the beginning of your post you wrote: “you see, Sam. here we go again with the Pollyannas. right above this post is someone with the Rodney King b.s., lamenting that ANYTHING negative be said about the Ranger organ-i-zation.” Now I will say what you have said in other posts…just because someone’s opinion does not agree with yours does not mean that they are wrong. In case you forgot what you wrote, here’s another example: “But a lot of these Pollyannas like this shuhead…” So…focus less on the opinions of others, and focus more on the play of the team. Here…I’m sure you haven’t said anything actual hockey game related in some time. I’ll help you out with a great topic to begin your life anew. The Devils are currently losing 2-1 and if they lose and the rangers win…it’s a 6 point lead in the atlantic. Your thoughts?

  9. Chris:

    awesome post…and by the way…Gomez just missed a golden opportunity with 5 seconds left. Holy jesus. Completely agree with you that what actually happens (mgmt ignorning us desk coaches)is very different from what actually happens. However, this isn’t a bad thing necessarily. How much would it suck if coaching moves were made by committee? All the fans vote and the most voted move happens…yikes, that’s a lot of power to people who are just going with their gut and (generally) no hockey experience to back it up.

  10. yeah we have, but that will all even itself out eventually. All that matters is the rangers being first. Hell, I’ll take all the positives I can get. A lot of people are so focused on the negatives they fail to appreciate every moment of the game. I don’t know about anyone else, but ever since hock returned from the lockout…I have been more obsessed with this sport than ever.

  11. Prucha. Now there’s a topic for discussion…

    Here is my point of view on the boy. Starting last year with the Rangers, then a brief period in Hartford then back to the Rangers where he became a Hockey Rock Star. A “no expectations” guy that ended up scoring a bunch of goals. Why? because he was given so many opportunities to do what he does. He is a good skater, a hard worker, a good checker and can finish nicely. He just needs to be in the right situations to use those skills. You don’t score 30 goals in one season and then just go away – not at his age. He could repeat that rookie performance this year if the current top lines were designed the same – there not. The mere presence of Shanahan has added an entirely new dimension to the top TWO lines. Right away Prucha is required to find a new niche or use his original niche on a different line, the 3rd or 4th. These lines are not designed in manner for him to take advantage of odd man rushes, crashing the net, scooping in a rebound, taking a cross-crease pass from Jagr. How many minutes has he even played with Jagr or on the PP.

    One of two things need to happen for him. He needs to be given opportunities like he was given last year or he needs to find a new role in the current line makeup.

    One key fact about him is that he has not shown an unwillingness to produce points like he used to. He really works hard on every shift.

    When you consider that the Rangers team is really not laking in offence right now – I would not expect him to get more minutes right now. The last few games have shown that scoring is coming from all over – thankfully.

    Personally, (not that my opinion matters) I’d love to see him on the same line as Jagr. I believe that would have the potential to balance the scoring even more. Straka could move down and create all kinds of opportunities on lines 2 or 3. I know this would never happen – not when the top line is so dominant. But hey – it would make for a great experiment.

    So the point is, Prucha will probably not match his points from last year. This is in no way his fault and in no way an indication that he is not just as good a player as he was last year.

    Thats it for Prucha talk.

    – I like Cullen on the point in PP situation.
    – Ozo has been given his fair chance and is not working out. Rachunek is better when not paired with him. So he is not only bad, but brings other players down with him.
    – Immonen is a great fit. (more pressure on 25)
    – Kasper is back and thats a good thing.
    – Malik is a tough one. He has been somewhere between decent and horrible all season. Not sure if that is good enough when you consider the Ozo problem, the recently fixed Kasper situation and the early struggles the entire squad had with playing and all-around “D” game. I say Malik goes and Pock gets his chance.

    OK – thanks for listening.
    Thanks Sam (I play forward out on Long Island if you ever need a fill-in).

  12. I like your idea Jay about playing Jagr and Prucha together. In fact, I always looked at Jagr as being like a dad to Prucha…maybe I’m the only one. Either way, although they wouldn’t (and shouldn’t, as you agree with) break the 1st line up, the PP is a great way to test out your idea. I also completely agree with everything you said about ozo, malik, immo, etc. The Rodent (hockeyrodent.com) brought up a great point that Prucha wasn’t expected to be such a point getter when he came here. However, the Rangers used him so effectively last season that he blew up to gigantic proportions and now suffers from the expectations associated with that. If only the coaching staff would look at all of the ways that prucha scored last season and then change his ice time/line positioning accordingly.

  13. I called for Cullen to be moved to LW 2 days before it happened, I called for Immonen to be called up and put at 2nd line C 3 days before it happened. and I have blasted Bozo and called for his removal since day 1.

    so, if you are calling those smart coaching moves, thanks. I hope more “coincidences” can happen to improve the Rangers.

    If you don’t think Ranger mgmt. monitors fan reaction, you are dead wrong. proof, then why did Renney come out recently with comments about the security of his job, or about the youth development, because certainly no one from the Rangers had brought it up.

  14. you have got to be the most arrogant person in the entire world. “I called for Cullen to be moved to LW 2 days before it happened, I called for Immonen to be called up and put at 2nd line C 3 days before it happened. and I have blasted Bozo and called for his removal since day 1.” What you fai to mention is that you were probably spouting the same rhetoric for months and eventually it happened.

    “so, if you are calling those smart coaching moves, thanks.” Dude, have some bad news for you. You are a guy sitting on a computer on a Ranger blog…you are not a coach, nor would you ever be…but good luck out there! (thumbs up).

    “proof, then why did Renney come out recently with comments about the security of his job, or about the youth development, because certainly no one from the Rangers had brought it up.” That’s not proof, that’s circumstantial. Maybe Renney was commenting on his job security because the James Dolan had recently held a press conference discussing the situation with the knicks. He was responding to a question from the media. This may mean that the reporters (Sam’s a reporter by the way, and this is his blog) know about fan comments but not necessarily mgmt.

  15. jay made some good points. Prucha last year scored 30 goals in only 68 games. 16 of those 30 goals were on the PP. He has been replaced on the 1st PP unit by Shanny. that is the main reason that his scoring has fallen off. He is not getting the same PP ice time and 1st unit chances that he did last year.

  16. Prucha-Nylander-Jagr
    Callahan/Dawes-Immonen-Shanny
    Straka-Cullen-Hall/Hossa
    Ward-Betts-Ortmeyer

    Ward-Tyuts
    Rozy-Malik
    Kaspar-Rachunek/Pock

    This team is a perfect balance of veterans/young guys. Callahan is HOT in Hartford, Prucha would start scoring on the first line, that third line could be really good checking line, and the fourth line is a very good shutdown line. Sam, where do I sign up to be head coach?

  17. who’s doing the name calling now, huh Sam? I will respond in kind to it.
    to chapped lips…

    I won’t bother to dignify your ignorance, other than to say that I played and coached amateur hockey for many years, and 2 of the players I coached made the NHL. I have worked in hockey schools with numerous NHL players and coaches.

  18. Anyone have an idea on what channel the game is going to be broadcasted tonight. The Rangers website says FSNY, but the Isles are playing at home and I thought they had FSNY priority. Also checking the listings on my cable, at 6:30 it says “Rangers Gamenight” but at 7 it says “NHL Hockey, Atlanta and NY Islanders.” I’m confused.

  19. Anthony (Abev) on

    Sam, I just wrote a great post but I unfortunately had to delete it . Maybe some day your blog can be moderated?

    I wouldn’t mind if the Rangers brought back Darcy Tucker to NY with them tonight. But I still have extreme dislike for him as a Mapleleaf.

  20. good post sam,

    so just to be clear we got henke tonight? and if so is he playing tomorrow as well or we don’t know?

  21. Sam, does this mean Weekes plays tomorrow? And if so, why not play him in Toronto where he traditionally plays well? And Henrik against the Devils, who he traditionally plays well against?

    I never can figure out how the heck Renney figures his goaltending rotation, and I always worry about him burning Lundqvist out AGAIN.

  22. “And I know you encourage that criticism, Sam. Just as you did in your blog today above. But a lot of these Pollyannas like this shuhead above take your admonitions to mean that we MUST NOT say one negative word about the team, which is just ridiculous. I know that you want honest debate here, not a Ranger PR dept. rubber stamp blog. But these shuheads of the world just don’t get it. they think you are telling everyone to be a Ranger Stepford fan. which you are certainly not doing.”

    I don’t know where to start with this ridiculous repsonse. Apparently I am a Stepford Ranger fan and never say one bad thing about the Rangers. I don’t even know what to say to that except for wow.

    Hey 4Rangers where in my post did I say that nobody could criticize the Rangers? All I am trying to say is yes I know the team has some major flaws (obviously the D-Men are on the top of the list) however it never seems that we are happy. Should Pock be on a “conditioning” assignment? Should Hossa be on the team? Should Prucha be on the 4th line that gets 5 minutes of ice time a game? Hell No.

    I am happy to see that we can win and beat some good teams when we don’t play our A game. I also like to see that we can win when we don’t play a complete game. If we continue what we are doing it will come back to bite us. I understand we can’t win like that all year but the fact that we can for now until everything clicks is good sign.

  23. “””””””””Seriously guys can’t we all just get along, 5 in a row, why most we always focus on the negatives? Just be happy they won 5 in a row (doesn’t matter how it looks)””””””””””

    If that ain’t pollyanna Stepford, then I don’t know what is.

  24. Here this ought to liven things up a bit. :p Apparently Renney is going to dress Orr tonight for protection of the star players. Yeah, becuase it worked so well the last time right! So I would guess that Prucha gets a seat in the press box tonight.

  25. I hope Coach Renney diesn’t sit Prucha again. That is such a BAD coaching move. This kid needs to be on an offensive line all night ,every night for him to produce. I hope Renney doesn’t sit him instead of 3 or 4 other Rangers forwards who add little or no value even during a 5 game winning streak. Now is the time to move Prucha up. The LUXURY of having won 5 in a row allows for experimenting with Prucha on the offensive lines. With 3 games in 4 nights against tough opponents. Now is Prucha’s chance. I hope Renney doesn’t blow it by scratching him.

  26. what is the point of dressing Orr if Renney won’t use him. Sather used to play goon Dave Semenko on LW with Gretzky. but you don’t want Orr replacing Straka, so the only alternative is the Dmen for protection. but the Ranger Dmen, particularly the 2 who play with the Jagr line, are as meek as milquetoast. Rosival and malik are not going to protect anyone.

  27. I commend you Sam for addressing the people who have been making commenting on your blog tedious and an overall negative experience but as you can see … the name calling and personal attacks are still happening and so I think my decision to just read what you write is a good one as I don’t think it will really stop.

  28. “If that ain’t pollyanna Stepford, then I don’t know what is.” Apparently I have to be the bigger person here otherwise this will go on forever.

    Moving on, I just wanted to thank Sam for his work that he does on this Blog. I look forward to reading it each day. Thanks Sam.

    I would like the coaching staff to give Prucha more ice time, I just don’t think 5 minutes will get him out of his funk. Part of it is Prucha always looking to pass when he is on a line with Shanny, I think that might have actually hurt him this year.

    Lets go Rangers, 6 in a row…..

  29. When you give up 4 goals in a period, even in the new NHL, you just need to lose. I hate losing to the Leafs because they think they’re the New York Yankees of hockey. But at the end of the game, I will still live in New York, and Torontonians won’t.

  30. gee, I guess Sam Rosen and Joe better not post on this board, because they have been very negative about the Rangers, and that is just not acceptable.

  31. Glad to see that the Orr move has worked out so well. He gets pounded by Belak and then takes a dumb penalty too!

    Now that it’s 5-1 Renney has Hollweg on the wing with Ward and Betts. So much for that powerhouse Hossa.

  32. At least scratching Prucha for Orr was a good idea. I’d rather see Ozo play in that spot than Orr.

  33. Did it look like Henrick hurt his head when Pohl scored the last goal? Pohl fell on Henrick’s head!

    i believe the rangers can come back, but whoever is in goal needs to stay sharp.

  34. And here we go. Getting what’s been brewing for 3 games now. And once again, that third line looks totally overmatched out there. Maybe its time to slot Prucha in at second line and drop Cullen to third along with Orts and Holly. Maybe its time to get rid of some of the putrid defensemen we have.

  35. hi sam,
    i agree with you that this is hockey and not life or death, and i think that the criticisms on here should be offered lightly. ill go on record and say that every one of us have never had any kind of job history within professional hockey and have no idea how front office management words either. naturally, everyone thinks that they know more than the ones who are being paid to run the team. but none of us have ever been involved in professional hockey, or sports for that matter. we are just fans with opinions. there is nothing we can to do influence the decisions of the front office, therefore, sit back, enjoy life and cheer for the rangers. if all you want to do is constantly bash the team and its management, then why dont you find another hobby, since the rangers seem to upset you so much? lets try to live up to our title as some of the most knowledgable fans in sports and try to exhibit some class when conversing with each other. at the end of the day, we are all ranger fans and are all on the same side, so lets act like it.

    with that being said, sam, is there anything new to report about prucha?? he was benched against philly then played a little under 6 minutes in dallas. how does he look on the ice? does he seem to be trying to hide any lingering injuries? you go to the practices and are able to see a ton of behind the scene stuff that us fans never do, is there anything you notice about him? thanks for doing such a great job this year on informing us fans about all the action that we never get to hear about.

  36. so Renney leaves Henrik in to take more abuse. remember the Roy fiasco in Mtl. where he told the coach and the owner to stuff it.

  37. alright, so this game might be a waste. but think of it this way… lets let the rangers have their loosing streak now, so when it comes to playoffs, it’s out of their system. anyways, the rangers will still be leading atlantic conference. they need to the next game tmrw vs. jersey to keep the title. maybe jed ortmeyer will be able to play, for a forward, he is good at being defensive.

    Sam, how has Jed been doing lately since he’s been cleared to play. i know he went to the wolfpack and got an assist the first game and all, but i haven’t seen him actually play since last season, and was just wondering on how he is doing. wasn’t he supposed to play in tonight’s hartford game??

  38. What you’re seeing tonight are the real Rangers when HL is not Superman. A high school defense who belong in the old NHL and a high school coach, who, the night before probably the biggest game of the season consults his ouija board and shoves HL in the net after an exhausting, game-stealing effort in Dallas. Oh yeah, and he also benches Prucha. PRUCHA! For Orr. ORR! Who can’t win an effing fight. Orr should be gone. Malik, God knows, should be in the ECHL. If the Pollyanas here can’t see by now that it’s HL and Jagr on top of their games if we have ANY shot to win ANY game, then good luck to you. And if you don’t like my negativism (read: truth) then t.s. Tell Sam to ban me from the site. The rest of you who know what I’m talkin’ about…my condolences for having to sit through this embarrassment. SATHER MUST GO! RENNEY MUST GO!

  39. look, stop dissing renney, you wouldn’t be able to a better job than him. making a mockery of renney does nothing. if want to express you opinions, that’s fine, but stop whining about it.

  40. Oh, and one more thing…I hope HL pulls a Patrick Roy and skates by the Ranger bench and tells Renney to trade him because he’s not gonna play for this team anymore.

    Carolyn: I think Dorothy, the Tin Man, Scarecrow and Lion miss you in Oz.

  41. Do I look like I’m rubbernecking? Because I sure feel that way. No Stanley Cup contender loses this badly.

  42. it’s a disgrace to be classified as a nyr fan with you charkerm, go to san francisco where people like you can unite.

  43. Outshot 69-29 in less than 5 periods. Hey, Dolan, let’s give Sather and Renney another contract extension.

  44. Fortunately, no matter what the score, the least points you can get is zero.

    And yet, why hasn’t HL been pulled? Are they saving Weekes for something?

  45. Y’know what, I’m tired of debating with the residents of Jonestown. I’m out. Have a happy holiday season and a nice life. Enjoy the Kool-Aid, I’ll stick with egg nog.

  46. Doodie Machetto on

    I like leaving HL in the game. After the taking himself out of the game thing, I like seeing him pounded once and forced to take it. It’ll build some character.

    Cullen just blew out his knee. That’s what it looked like to me.

    Seriously, this is the worst beating I’ve ever seen the Rangers take.

  47. a real fan cheers on the team even when they really suck, you shouldn’t be talking…

    chardkerm, vas changarte.

    i really want to see a huge fight in the 3rd period, maybe even a goalie fight… they need to end the game with a bang, even though they’re loosing terribly.

  48. What happened, Doodie, wasw basically that the Leafs banked two garbage goals in off Rachunek and Malik, respectively, in a 26 second span about 6 minutes in and from that point on the Rangers reverted to running around like chickens with their heads cut-off mode, with Lundqvist tired, PO’ed and distracted and not at all sharp.

    Really, its games like this that show the true character of our team. Not the ones the goalie steals.

  49. Doodie Machetto on

    From Spector’s Trade Rumours:

    “NEW YORK POST: Larry Brooks recently reported Rangers centre Michael Nylander is unlikely to pick up his $1.52 million option year with the club, meaning the club will have to re-sign him to a more lucrative multi-year contract. GM Glen Sather admits he hasn’t begun negotiations with Nylander’s agent, but said he definitely wants to retain him. Nylander also hopes to stay with the club.

    Spector’s Note: Worry not, Rangers fans, Nylander will remain on Broadway. Sather hasn’t started negotiations yet because any contract signed prior to January 1st counts against this year’s cap. I’d expect a new deal in place well before July 1st.”

    Man, this game sucks.

  50. And for the record, a real fan cares about the results. Just because I see shortcomings that I’ve noticed all year exposed and point them out doesn’t mean I hope they lose. If you’re able to stomach watching an 8-0 beating and still feel great about the Rangers, great for you but that does not make you more of a fan than someone who feels physical pain watching said beating.

  51. Doodie, what happened is the Rangers just didn’t show up. Flat-footed wouldn’t describe it. Every flaw they’ve had all season, including Lundqvist’s shaky psyche, have been exposed completely. Horrifying lack of d by the offense, zero speed or grit or skill by the defense, and terrible, snowballing play by Lundy.

    Hopefully Lundqvist is tough enough to make it throughthe game and it makes him stronger. Of course, we may see Weekes in the 3rd.

    Just brutal.

  52. “””””””””I like leaving HL in the game. After the taking himself out of the game thing, I like seeing him pounded once and forced to take it. It’ll build some character.”””””””

    apparently it didn’t work for you.

  53. I have no problems whatsoever saying I TOLD YOU SO.

    remember how ive been harping that the Rangers are winning games despite playing like crap? how ive been saying id take a loss with the Rangers playing the right way, than a win with Henrik basically stealing the game for us? how i said wins when playing like crap just breed bad habits and how they eventually culminate in extended losing streaks?

    I TOLD YOU SO (though they arent on a losing streak yet)

    Rangers havent played well in a while, yet have been winning, tonights game was inevitable.

  54. Doodie Machetto on

    ““â€?“â€?“â€?“â€?“I like leaving HL in the game. After the taking himself out of the game thing, I like seeing him pounded once and forced to take it. It’ll build some character.â€?“â€?“â€?“â€?

    apparently it didn’t work for you.”

    Way to pay attention to what Sam was saying about the personal attacks. Good job Buddy.

  55. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    Wow, i find it interesting that the regular 4 cynics are here more or less rejoicing in the Rangers getting blasted – just so they can say “Pollyanna’s, see – we’re right.” This games an embarrassment but being so narcissistic that you need to revel and even gloat in this loss is the biggest embarrasment.

    I’d rather be wrong if it meant the Rangers win hockey games.

    Nonetheless, this game wasn’t lost by Renney or anyone other than the Rangers themselves. They’re just not there. The top lines in a slump and our defensive coverage is backing up so far that Toronto is getting prime scoring chances. The only positive point this game is Tyutin throwing his body around.

    …Jagr needs to start caring.

    …I don’t understand why Prucha played 1 game and then got benched again. Sam, can you shed any light on that? It just makes no sense to have him reflect and then give him a half-chance and then send him to join Ozo again.

  56. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    Speaking of that narcissism and people trying to say they’re true fans…well, a true fans doesn’t say:

    “Oh, and one more thing…I hope HL pulls a Patrick Roy and skates by the Ranger bench and tells Renney to trade him because he’s not gonna play for this team anymore.”

    If you want a team with a non-elite goaltender go root for the Islanders.

  57. Doodie Machetto on

    This loss looks bad, but all of the top teams have dropped an embarassing loss. Some examples (not as bad, but the competition was worse most of the time):

    1) Anaheim: 7-4 at home v. Philly
    2) Buffalo: 7-4 at Washington
    3) San Jose: 5-0 at Anaheim
    4) Atlanta: 8-0 at Tampa Bay.

    So I’m not about to start saying the sky is falling. It’s a really bad game.

    PS, I called Cullen’s knee. He’s gonna be out for a while. Good to see Hossa still trying. Good positioning.

  58. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    Doodie, Toronto was also the team that ended Buffalo’s record winning streak on 11/4/06 beating them 4-1. Thats not an excuse but it shows Toronto is streaky but do show up to play against some good teams.

  59. Doodie Machetto on

    Now, you can come down on Renney. Cullen goes down, so who gets his ice time? COLTON ORR! That should be Hollweg or Hall. I’d honestly like to see Hollweg.

  60. Doodie Machetto on

    Not that there aren’t other things, just the first thing I’ve seen since I started watching at 8-1. Everyone else pretty much covered everything else until then.

  61. True:

    Dont give me that crap about being happy that the Rangers got blasted. Im NOT happy. The point is Ive not been happy with this teams play in quite some time. Weve been playing like crap, but only our goaltending, which up until tonight, was on a ridiculous streak of stopping just about everything, saved our butts.

    Know what im not happy about? im not happy the rangers took 12 penalties against Dallas. Im not happy the Rangers are constantly caught flatfooted in their own zone, im not happy Malik and Rozsival continually try high risk (high reward) passes through the middle of the zone. Sure they may work for a while, but the law of averages say those passes are going to be picked off at least as much as they connect, if not more. Im not happy the Rangers continually send 3 men below the net in an attempt to cycle the puck, then get caught for a 3 or 4 on 2 rush the other way. Im not happy the coach has basically no idea how to play our youth and is destroying the confidence of a very good defenseman (Better than Bozo thats for sure) in Pock, and a 30 goal scorer in Prucha. Im not happy Renney continues to play Shanahan on the PK when there are other guys who can do the deed just as good, and arent as important to the other aspects of the game that he is.

    I hate people saying that questioning the team, or being unhappy with a win means you are a cynic and hate the team and stuff. Not accepting mediocrity should be the norm, sadly, i just dont see it in my fellow ranger fans.

  62. Renney decided to sit Prucha again. That is such a BAD coaching move. This kid needs to be on an offensive line all night ,every night for him to produce. I hope Renney doesn’t sit him instead of 3 or 4 other Rangers forwards who add little or no value even during a 5 game winning streak. Now is the time to move Prucha up. The LUXURY of having won 5 in a row allows for experimenting with Prucha on the offensive lines. With 3 games in 4 nights against tough opponents. Now is Prucha’s chance. I hope Renney doesn’t blow it by scratching him.

    I wanted the Rangers to lose 10-0 tonight. Do you know why? Because it’s in Toronto. It means Hockey Night in Canada is there. It means Renney can’t hide the fact that he has a difficult time motivating,deciding who should play,and changing his mind during a period. It means all the Real Hockey world will talk about the Prucha situation. (which Hockey Night in Canada did between the 1st and 2nd period with Larry Brooks and 3 HNIC announcers) They will ask the questions that the blogsters ask. Renney will be exposed finally.
    What a disgrace. To lose 9-2 in the Hockey mecca. I hope the Rangers get there act together and call up Callahan with Ortmyer.

  63. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    Inferno great points – i agree with every word of your post. I love talking all the hockey and if people want to make a discussion based on hockey facts thats great. But, I think you may have caught the crossfire of my post.

    Stating that Tom Renney isn’t a good coach and should be replaced is one thing. Make your point and move on. But, when you hope Henrik asks to be traded, insult other fans with name-calling, defame the character and integrity of players/coaches, and disagree with anyone who doesn’t want Tom Renney’s (or Glenn Sather’s) scalp…then you’re not really a fan. You’re just looking to start trouble.

    Inferno: I don’t recall too many of your posts lately but if you were offended by what I said, I apologize because it wasn’t intended for you.

  64. Carolyn a real fan doesn’t throw on rose colored glasses when the team stinks it up. Imo chard, Tsalad, 4Rangers among others are 100% right this defense is a disgrace espically Rachunek, and Malik. Btw the greatest third line in the free world stunk it up tonight, Maurice in fact seemed to want to match the Wellwood line against them geee I wonder why. If Renney kept Lundqvist out there as punishment then he just made the dumbest mistake of his medicore coaching career.This we=as one of the most gutless performances that I’ve ever seen by a team on par with the 9-1 drubbing they toook from the Sens in 04.

  65. Carolyn, you are way off base. If you want a polyannish type board go to Rodent or Bird, they will welcome you with open arms.

    To complain about those of us who are disgusted with the Ranger organization is aa copout because you can’t face that this organization is run by idiots.

    You personally insult those of us who feel that way yet I haven’t seen any personal insults going in the direction of those of you with rose colored glasses.

    Grow up and learn what’s really going on.

  66. Inferno

    “I hate people saying that questioning the team, or being unhappy with a win means you are a cynic and hate the team and stuff. Not accepting mediocrity should be the norm, sadly, i just dont see it in my fellow ranger fans.”

    Are you the same Inferno who posts on Bird’s site? You want to see Ranger fans who don’t accept mediocrity, a lot of us are here. Check 4Rangers, Chardkerm, tsalad, Peter, Twin, Mark and my posts for starters. If that’s you on Bird’s and/or Rodent’s site, why waste your time, they have ton of Carolyn’s there.

  67. RW&B

    “But, when you hope Henrik asks to be traded, insult other fans with name-calling, defame the character and integrity of players/coaches, and disagree with anyone who doesn’t want Tom Renney’s (or Glenn Sather’s) scalp…then you’re not really a fan. You’re just looking to start trouble.”

    Totally disagree with you, except for the part of insulting and name calling of other fans. Suggesting that a fellow fan sees things through rose colored glasses, as I have stated, is not an insult, just the way I personaly perceive the attitude of that fan. Think too many of you are using that excuse to limit the criticism of this inept management and I consider that a copout.

    I recognize that you are a Ranger fan as I am, we just have different ideas about how we feel about the team. Nothing wrong with having differences but don’t try to cut it off, that just shows a reluctance to really face what’s going on. Think about it!

  68. Chris,

    Just like chewing gum a long time eh?

    Actually as I think about it, I think the word “unrealistic” is more apt.

  69. Yeah, count me in with those throughly disgusted with what’s been transpiring on and off the ice as to the Rangers.

    To say that the club is incompently managed and coached would be an understatement.

    But for those who prefer that participants should accentuate the positive, three positive words — “Hartford Wolf Pack.”

    Helluva contrast — players held accountable but positively reinforced.

    — What does it say when a kid (2nd year pro), like Girardi has the night after night demonstrates the ability to make clearing passes that don’t turn into turnovers, q-backs a PP and seems to know when to pass and when to shoot?

    Where the coach/GM and his assistants are able to articulate what’s right and what’s wrong, tell you where they’re coming from, answer questions that require yes or know answers with yesses and no’s.

    Where “team tough” and standing up for one another is for real.

    Hartford delivers kids like Dawes and Pock to New York, but they languish on the bench and have the coaches possess the empathy that lets a kid like Immonen to get over the disappointment of not getting the spot that he earned.
    (Too bad they’re not in a position to cousel Prucha.)

    There’s a solid base being developed there – a base that could be the core of a legitimate contender, not one that staggers into playoff qualification and can’t make it past the initial round. (Hey, the chances are that some/many/all of these kids would flop but no one will know until they get their chance).

    What’s it going to take before the Rangers commit to a true rebuild (the kind that Maloney continually talks up, but is never realized in New York)?

    My God, Pittsbugh — Pittsburgh — on the brink of financial disaster for years; a club that desperately needs fannies in the seats (and isn’t getting them because they’re losing), is investing in the future and an exciting, fan-pleasing club is slowly evolving.

    They can afford to do it the right way.

    The Rangers, the Cablevision Rangers, the Radio City Rangers, the Optimum Rangers, the Rangers of Charles and James Dolan, can’t.

    And anyone wonders why those who share my view are po’d about it?

    (Do they seriously believe that because we do, because we articulate it, it’s our fault when the Rangers fail?)?

    Remember the movie, ET?

    In one scene the mom is reading to the little girl “Peter Pan” and gets to the part where Tinkerbell is sick or hurt or something.

    So Mom tells the kid that the way to cure Tinkerbell is for both of them to close their eyes real tight and “Wish, wish, wish as hard as we can.”

    In the real world, bloggers and posters (such as myself) don’t have an effect on a hockey team’s fortunes by posting opinions positive/negative, supportive/non-supportive.

    Because just like “Wish-Wish-Wish” that’s a crock.

  70. Great post Mark. Right on the money. Forgot to add Shane to the list. I’m sure there are more who will realized we are being conned by the Ranger management.

    As long as Dolan gets big buck purchases for the various corporations that buy seasons tickets to entertain clients, why should he care if the team is at best a .500 team? The big names attract corporation cliens.

    Sather loves the money, cigars and perks he gets as Ranger prez and GM. Renney knows how to play the game (politics, not hockey) and his job is safe.

    Only when the vast majority of fans realize we’ve been conned will things change (maybe), but that’s still a long way off with all the unrealistic fans still out there.

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