Shake-up

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You figured it was only a matter of time before there was a crack in Brendan Shanahan’s facade, and sure enough, there was the perennial All-Star at his locker stall today, openly complaining about…..the lack of hangers at Madison Square Garden. Maybe that doesn’t sound like much, but what’s next, weak water pressure? Bland post-game food?

Speaking of which, talk about empty nets. While Shanahan was lamenting the lack of hangers, what I should have said was, “What are you talking about? You guys have Jagr.” Of course, the big fella was standing right there, so I thought better — especially after Jagr had already smashed a piece of plexiglass with a slapshot during practice. I guess that shoulder’s feeling better.p1_jagr2.jpg

Anyway, the Rangers are hopping a flight to Buffalo shortly for their regular season-finale against the indomitable Sabres, and odds are the lineup is going to have a different look. Among the changes:

  • With Jason Ward nursing an ankle injury, the Rangers are preparing for rookie Ryan Callahan to make his NHL debut on a fourth line alongside Ryan Hollweg and Colton Orr. That’s subject to change, but Callahan is at least making the trip instead of heading back to Hartford. For what it’s worth, the 21-year-old right wing is from nearby Rochester, and I asked Tom Renney if that would at all be a factor in whether he plays tomorrow. The short answer: “No.”
  • Of greater significance, if Ward is out, Renney would likely drop Petr Prucha onto a third line with Blair Betts and Marcel Hossa. The coach said it wasn’t necessarily a reflection of Prucha’s play — the left wing has just five goals thus far, and none since Nov. 10 at Atlanta — but even Matt Cullen admitted the second line was in need of a jumpstart. Speaking of which…
  • Fresh off his two-goal game against the Thrashers, Adam Hall would get the promotion to the second line alongside Cullen and Shanahan. Renney had played those three together for stretches of the third period on Tuesday and he liked what he saw. Whether it would be just a one-game deal or something long term remains to be seen. But in Hall’s case, talk about a quick reversal.
  • Kevin Weekes is likely to be the starter, and why not? The back-up hasn’t had a laugher this year. Of the five games he’s played, two were against the Sabres, and he’s had one each against Anaheim, San Jose, and the defending Stanley Cup-champion Hurricanes. And I thought I had a thankless job (not really).

    One last little tidbit: I talked to both Renney and Thomas Pock about the forgotten defenseman’s lack of playing time, and it sounds like a conditioning assigment in Hartford is a consideration. Pock had originally said he’d rather be practicing in the NHL than playing in the minors, but judging from our conversation today, he might be having second thoughts. And it sounds like Renney would be for it as well.

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    1. Sam,

      I’m glad you mentioned the forgotten Pock, but what about Kaspar the ghost?

      It seems funny that all the shakeups are on the forward lines, but the defense is the group that is struggling the most. Why not have Kaspar and Pock take the place of Ozo and Rachunek,keep the sacred pairings togetehr and drop whichever twosome has a crappy game. That would get all your d-men icetime AND put with guys not guaranteed a spot in the lineup, they might play with a little more intensity.

    2. Idon’t know whythe word “put” is in that last sentence. It’s a ghost in the machine, reallY!

    3. Callahan…I like. Especially against Buffalo

      Weekes in Goal…..I like Kevin. I really do. Maybe Henke needs a rest. Sure loved the Lundy/Miller head to head last week though. Was hoping for some revenge

    4. no laughers how about the last time we were in buffalo 7 goals against. im sorry but with weekes its a guaranteed loss

    5. Callahan in the lineup with Hollweg sounds like a great prospect, I only hope Renney gives it a good consideration. This is a kid that didn’t look outstanding in training camp, but took his time in Hartford and made the absolute most of it on a flailing under-experienced team. From what I’ve heard(and I haven’t seen him yet), he’s the guy that really scraps for goals; the ones he gets might not be pretty, but they’re well earned.

      Also, Callahan in the lineup would be a shining example for the others in Hartford to follow: net goals, get a callup; get ice-time.

      kovy: agreed on Weekes. Buffalo is too fast for Weekes to be effective. With Lundqvist, there’s a spot of hope, but with Weekes, I’ll regretably agree with you, it’s almost a guarenteed loss.

    6. Renney just loves ruining the confidence of young players–Prucha demoted to play with 2 worst passers on the team after a 2 point game. Callahan on 4th line with Orr and Hollweg, lol what is the point, might as well waive him or trade him for another Isbister, maybe this time we won’t have to throw in a draft pick. I seriously think it all started to go wrong when we got Orr off waivers, life was good without a goon at least for a while…

    7. Wow Callahan gets to debut on a line with Hollweg and Orr!! What happened to the philosophy of “Playing guys where they are suited.” as per Renney last year?

    8. Hi Sam !

      Today I made a very surprisingly and notable observation that would fit in nicely with the start of your entry above with Brendan Shanahan !

      I have checked the list of the leading scorer of the NHL and Shanny on No. 13 is the only player with minus (-5) in the +/- stats.

      I don´t have a really good explanation for it despite knowing that he is going to play in any possible situation like even strength, shorthanded and on the powerplay as I have seen regularly that he is not afraid to block slapshots on the penalty killing….

      Do you have any reasonable explanation for me ????

      Matthias

    9. It makes ZERO sense to play Callahan on the 4th line and give him 2 minutes, which you know is what is going to happen.

      Hall is suddenly worth second line ice-time because of one game.

      How the heck did Renney like what he saw from Hall/Cullen/Shanny as a line? He liked watching Atlanta school them on how NOT to turn over the puck? Geez this clown is watching an entirely different game than the one that exists in reality.

      Bump Callahan up to play with Shanny/Cullen and move Prucha to the LW of Betts and Hall. And put Hossa back on the 4th line where he belongs.

      Or better yet bring up Immonen to play with Prucha so he can remember what it’s like to play with a REAL CENTER who is a PLAYMAKER.

    10. “Wow Callahan gets to debut on a line with Hollweg and Orr!! What happened to the philosophy of “Playing guys where they are suited.â€? as per Renney last year?”

      Renney is a big liar, hypocrite and cantradictionist. He is evil, slimy, sleazeball

    11. “Do you have any reasonable explanation for me ????”

      our 2nd line barely scores at even strength, Renney is clueless

    12. Vomit for moving Prucha down and moving Hall up. Keep Prucha where he is, have Callahan with Betts and Hossa to at least get him some ice time. And then Hall, Pock, and Hollweg on the fourth. Pretty tired of seeing Orr in the lineup. What happens when Ortmeyer comes back? Considering the team said they like it when Orr is in the lineup, who will get scratched? Crazy

    13. I am not a fan of Renney either but enough is enough now here on the blog. The niveau of this blog is belowground from some posters as I have read the comments section yesterday as well…

      I will probably find better places as this one,
      that is for sure…!!!

    14. puckhead, you’re absolutely right.

      it makes no sense to play calahan, one of the most lethal goal scorers in the ahl, on the 4th line with the stone hands of Orr and Hollweg. It makes only a tiny bit more than no sense to play Hall with Cullen and Shanny, none of whom can carry the puck and set up plays – prucha was relegated to this role because shanny was the primary scorer, and cullen is a not a good playmaking center.

      Hall had one good game after a whole bunch of mediocrity and he gets a nice reward – stupid

      As long as cullen is the 2nd line center, the 2nd line will struggle. Cullen should be centering the 3rd line. end of story.

      tom renney has got to be the most stubborn coach in the league.

    15. This team is perfectly fine. Throw that lack of youth crap right out the window. No prospect is any better than what we have right now. If they were, they’d be up on Broadway. All I know is my team is in first place. If you’re a true NYR fan, that’s all that should matter to you. Have those 7 non-playoff years been forgotten? The team is going to be good for a long time. Rome wasn’t built in a day. Enjoy it!

    16. BUFF: This is a (hopefully) a democracy, where contrasting opinions are welcome. Unless the truth hurts too much.

      Yeah, Prucha on the checking line. Amazing how just about every move Renney makes is moronic.

    17. NYR-ROB: “If you’re a true NYR fan, blah, blah, blah blah”.

      Love it when questioning coaching/GM moves are considered traitorious/blasphemous. I’ve been a fan since 1961. The current coaching/GMing regime will keep us wallowing in mediocrity until they’re gone. But keep guzzlin’ that Kool-Aid, Rob.

    18. “Rome wasn’t built in a day. Enjoy it!”

      with our Caligulas in charge it will be over and in ruins soon. Enjoy it!

    19. I like contrasting opinions as well but how about calling someone a liar idiot or sleazeball. That is joke of a discussion. I like fighting with arguments but that is like in a kindergarten….

      That is not the level I like to discuss as you always need to find the right tone….!!!!!

      I don´t like the coaching of Renney and some of his moves concerning ice time as well but as long as no one is willing to implement some rules for this, it doesn´t make sense to go on…

      There is no doubt about it..

    20. “And put Hossa back on the 4th line where he belongs.”

      Did you not watch a single game in November?

    21. Chardkerm, I love the kool-aid! If you’ve been a fan since ’61 than you should like what you’ve seen, over the last 1 1/2 years compared to the previous 10 years. Which coach/gm combo would you like to see at MSG? Keenan & Smith?

    22. And I love it whenever people don’t jump on a coach for minor line-up moves they’re drinking the Kool-Aid or they’re a fanboy or an idiot.

    23. Reading comments from all the genuises is so painful.

      Oh yeah, Renney is such an idiot, if only we had “vinnie pooh” in charge, everything would be better. After all, what does Renney know, he’s only been in the league for more than a decade, has been picked to coach Olympic teams and almost won coach of the year honors last year. He obviously knows less than “poo” about the players he watches every day.

      Betts and Hossa create plenty of chances by controlling the puck with their big bodies. Maybe a finisher on that line will be able to put some pucks in the net. Maybe not. It’s worth a shot.

      Hall has a good shot, likes to do dirty work around the net, and plays a north-south style like Cullen and Shanahan. Prucha hasn’t exactly clicked with those two, so it’s worth a shot.

      Given that Callahan must have some offensive skills, the new alignment puts more scoring balance throughout the lineup. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t, but it is not illogical. During a long season, all teams juggle and experiment with lines.

    24. Doodie Machetto,

      You’re right. I can’t let non-sensical posts ruin what is otherwise an excellent forum, full of insightful comments.

    25. hes probably giving up on this just writing the messages as he was asked to do but not responding to anything what´s goin`on here… i wouldn`t do either……

    26. BUFF: “I like contrasting opinions as well but how about calling someone a liar idiot or sleazeball.”

      Buff, please point out where I called anyone a liar, etc? Didn’t happen.

      ROB: Sather had 4 years of abject failure (due to his daily decisions) which came on the heels of 11 or 12 years of Oiler failure. We have so much dead weight on this team, it will be impossible to improve. For starters, 1/2 of our d-corps should be gone. Renney is a high school level coach who rode Jagr and HL’s performance last year to a playoff spot. Blah, blah, now I’m starting to bore myself. Listen, that’s my opinion. Yes, Sather did restock our farm system to a degree, but when, for example, you let guys like Zidlicky and Umberger walk away and trade a prospect like Petruzalek for a washed up Isbister, then you have to have your sanity questioned. We may have some promising talent in Hartford, but we’ll never know until they’re given a chance in N.Y. and not blocked by guys like Hossa, Rachunek, Ozolinsh, etc.

      Geezus, I need a vacation.

    27. Doodie Machetto on

      NYRich- Yeah.. today isn’t a good day.

      Here is what putting Callahan on the ice on the 4th line is saying (in the most optimistic sense):

      He’s still not ready for the NHL, but since Ward isn’t going to play and Callahan is around, it’s a good chance for him to just get a couple of shifts to see the pace and size of the NHL level. Otherwise, you know it would have been Pock. If Renney liked what he had seem from Callahan in practices, he would’ve bumped him up to the third line to play with Prucha and Betts, and moved Hossa down to the 4th.

      Prucha went down to the third line last month and played well for the next 2 weeks upon his return. Maybe this is just what he needed to get back on the goal scoring train. Everyone mentions a playmaking center for him. Who was it last season? Rucchin?

    28. chardkerm,

      With all do respect, what Sather did with the Oilers has no bearing on NYR. Yes, he did continue in the footsteps of Neil Smith, who pretty much depleted the farm, before Sather even got here.

      Renney is a teacher. Would Keenan or Quinn or anyone else do better? Who knows? I think he’s done well with the players he has.

      The trades and deals are always questionable. IMO, Zidlicky is a nice player, but when Richter went down, I thought Dunham was a pretty good pick up. We needed a goalie at that point.

      Umberger signed with Philly because he didn’t want to play for NYR. They couldn’t come to terms with him. If you don’t want to be here than I don’t want you here.

      I agree with you on Isbister. I heard Schoenfeld wanted Isbister because he coached him in Phoenix. He feels he can revive his career. Time will tell.

      Hossa, Ozo, & Rachunek will be gone next year. Renney still sees potential in Hossa, I don’t. Ozo doesn’t play that poorly. Kondratiev wasn’t going to help us, so I consider it a wash. I wouldn’t have signed Rachunek because he didn’t want to be here after he has traded for Devries.

    29. Let’s not read too much into the Prucha move. I specifically asked Tom if, outside of Prucha’s lack of scoring, if he was happy with the wing’s play. Renney said he was, but he was just looking to jump-start things a bit.

      Here’s the direct quote:

      “I’m happy with his effort and I don’t want to say it doesn’t matter who Petr plays with because he does have finishing skills and you want to make sure you can capitalize on it. But this is a kid who can help any line by the effort he puts in and by his intelligence to play the game. But what I want to do is play off a hot hand with Adam and work that into our lineup a little higher, and continue to use Petr’s ability to make plays and work. And maybe with two other guys he has a different look and he has success.�

      And here’s a line from Matt Cullen:

      “Obviously Prucha’s got his own unique talents, but sometimes it’s just good to mix things up. We’ve been kind of stale the last little while, Prooks and I in particular, so it’s not always bad to have some variety and mix it up.”

    30. Controversy, Controversy, Contreversy….

      What were we talking about… OH YEAH, the New York Rangers. And how mediocre they’ve been.

      I’d love to hear from a non-Ranger fan actually, because if you ask me our prejudgements are getting the best of us. Yeah, I want to believe the Rangers are going to do better. And yes, I can see how some fear they are only getting worse. But we need to put opinions aside sometimes and look at just the facts.

      Everyone is saying demote Cullen, martyr Malik, resign Roszival, humble Hossa, heave Hall. But this is our team, like it or not. This is who we have to work with. They are here, and they are here to stay.

      And even if Sather was working the phones, I haven’t seen anyone recommend a trade. If these guys are as bad as some of you say they are, who is going to want them? Who is going to give us something of value for what many feel are invaluable players?

      IMHO, what makes this team so frustrating to watch is that they have moments of brilliance followed by what could only be described as inexcusable mental lapses. That at times this team could take on any team in the league and at other times they couldn’t beat the 6yr olds that play during intermission. At least Flyer fans can accept the fact their team stinks, but we all klnow in our hearts that this team could play so much better than the way they have been playing. That if they’d only play a complete, 60-minute game we’d easily have 5, if not 10 more points and be leading the pack instead of jocking for position.

      I’m not hear to tell anybody what to do, or what not to do, so post away; Just do so with respect to Sam, with respect to the Rangers, and more importantly with respect to yourself and your fellow man.

      Sincerely,

      Rich

    31. right, chardkerm. and don’t forget, the ONLY reason that Sather was able to recover somewhat was the fact that the Rangers were the only team who could afford Jagr’s contract when Wash. was desperate to dump him.

      And then of course the lockout allowed Sather to re-load with vets, and to surround Jagr with his buddies.

      But talk about so-called fans with short memories…it was less than 3 years ago that Sather was such a pariah in NY that he could not even show his face at a charity function because the Ranger fans wanted to lynch him. Now many here act like that never happened.

    32. I say we run these lines

      prucha – nylander – jagr
      hall – straka – shanny
      hossa – cullen – callahan
      hollywood – bettes – orr

    33. this team is in serious need of playmakers/passers, it really boggles the mind why Immonen is not here.

      pf, I pity your flawed logic

    34. Why is Petr Prucha struggling on a line together with Brendan Shanahan…???? Is Cullen the right center for them ??? Why didn´t he get more ice time on the powerplay when the first powerplay unit is struggling ??? What about Kaspar coming back in the lineup ??? Why not try the Austrian Thomas Pöck what he is able to do, I wasn´t able to see them since I have start watching regularly….

      Thanks for the answers !!!

      Good night from Germany

    35. “Let’s not read too much into the Prucha move.”

      Sam, I guess you haven’t figured out yet that Renney lies at least 50% of the time and contradicts himself at least 90% of the time?

    36. people have stop paying attention to what Hyena Tom says, just look at what he does with “mute” toggled on

    37. Doodie, I have to disagree. I think the fact that Callahan is getting a shot at all suggests Renney and his staff like what they saw in practice and want to see how he reacts to the size and speed of the NHL. If he didn’t, Pock would be back in as a forward/utility player and Callahan would be back in Hartford getting ready to help his team there win.

      As for the suggestions of starting him on the second or third lines, rather than the fourth… let’s be reasonable. We’re talking about a kid with about 20 games of pro (AHL) experience who didn’t even get a sniff at a preseason game because of a poor camp. No team is going to insert him directly into their second line on his first shift. Why don’t we all take the opportunity to actually see him play, and see how he handles the NHL game before deciding we know better than the coaching staff where he belongs in the lineup?

    38. {{Beamer November 30th, 2006 at 4:01 pm

      “And put Hossa back on the 4th line where he belongs.�

      Did you not watch a single game in November?}}}

      Yea pretty much every single one.

      So what you’re saying is that because Hossa scored 3 points in his last 70 NHL games he deserves 3rd line icetime? You think he is ready to bust out as a NHL force and become a 15-20 goal guy? Come to think of it, what the heck are you trying to say?

    39. “””””””This team is perfectly fine. Throw that lack of youth crap right out the window. No prospect is any better than what we have right now. If they were, they’d be up on Broadway.”””””””

      LMAO !

      Mrs. Renney, you really come up with some doozies. HaHaHa.

    40. “I want to do is play off a hot hand with Adam ” wow 2 lucky goals, that is a helluva hot hand. Clueless or a BS-mister?

    41. Go 1st place RANGERS! Go NYRich82!!! Why doesn’t anybody else see that this is a great team SOMETIMES who could beat anyone? And sometimes oh well – I guess then nobody here would have anthing else to do. NO news is GOOD news.

    42. “””””””We’re talking about a kid with about 20 games of pro (AHL) experience who didn’t even get a sniff at a preseason game because of a poor camp. No team is going to insert him directly into their second line on his first shift. “”””””””

      Oh really? the Sharks put 19 y.o. Dman Marc-Edouard Vlasic, right out of juniors, on their top pair with Hannan, with 20 mins. in all situations, since day 1, and they are 19-7.

      They also just called up a C named Joe Pavelski and put him on the 2nd line and MOVED Patrick Marleau to LW to accomodate him, and he has 3 goals in his first 4 games.

    43. Doodie Machetto on

      “Doodie, I have to disagree. I think the fact that Callahan is getting a shot at all suggests Renney and his staff like what they saw in practice and want to see how he reacts to the size and speed of the NHL. If he didn’t, Pock would be back in as a forward/utility player and Callahan would be back in Hartford getting ready to help his team there win.”

      I didn’t say they didn’t like it. I’m saying that they did like it, but he’s not ready to be a full-timer. Other than that I totally agree with you.

    44. IMHO I think Cullen & Shanny (who I will get no argument about) are great additions to this team, but they might not mesh well with Prucha. Cullen is not a center. Didn’t he play for Carolina as a winger, most effectively I might add? I think he tries to play to defensively as a center. To his credit he is a very responsible player, but playing center prevents him from focusing enough on his scoring. Would love to get a true center on that 2nd line. Interesting stat about Shanny being a -5 might have something to do with this line – or his PK minutes.

    45. “This team is perfectly fine. Throw that lack of youth crap right out the window. No prospect is any better than what we have right now. If they were, they’d be up on Broadway”

      wow that is deep, seems like these kool-aid people the share same brain. No point wasting time arguing with them. My advice is to just laugh it off this pathetic organizarion and the kool aid fans. I personally enjoy losses more than wins these days, but lately I barely pay much attention to the game as I take naps frome being bored or do something else. I never understand why I became a fan of this fruity team that wears red pants.

    46. Doodie Machetto on

      I never understand why I became a fan of this fruity team that wears red pants.

      Neither can I. I’ve never seen you show any happiness except at the team’s failures. Even people who aren’t happy with the way management is running the show are happy when the team wins. Aren’t they?

      Are you sure you aren’t a bitter Flyers fan??

    47. NYRICH82: “And even if Sather was working the phones, I haven’t seen anyone recommend a trade.”

      Be afraid of Sather’s trades, my friend. Be very afraid. Because you know it’s gonna be incoming vets and outgoing youts.

      NYR-ROB: “Umberger signed with Philly because he didn’t want to play for NYR. They couldn’t come to terms with him.”

      Yes, they couldn’t come to terms with him, but as they basically gave him to the Flyers (who did come to terms with him), the excuse out of mouths of Sather and “brain trust” was to the effect that Umberger didn’t have a good work ethic. Well, have you watched him for the past season plus? Another Sather blunder.

    48. “With Jason Ward nursing an ankle injury”

      This is actually in the article above you are responding too…

    49. Doodie Machetto on

      If the Rangers win the cup this year, which isn’t too likely, will all of the anti-Renney and Sather people eat a slice of humble pie, or will they complain that they won’t do it again next year?

    50. if Rangers miss the playoffs will the kool-aider stop drinking kool-aid and demand Tom Hyena to be fired?

    51. Doodie Machetto on

      PS, I assume I’m a kool-aider because that seems to be the term d’heure for those who aren’t calling for the crucifiction of Sather and Renney.

    52. “If he can’t make the playoffs with this squad, absolutely.”

      can’t wait, Kool-Aid will finally go bankrupt.

    53. hey Doodie…why don’t you explain for everyone Sather’s last 9 years in Edm., when they were 67 games under .500. or his first 4 years in NY, where the fans wanted his scalp so bad he had to go into hiding. Quit pretending that this crap didn’t happen. Quit trying to paper over the ugly past, and asking fans to hope that the deceitful smirker will ever keep a promise.

    54. Doodie Machetto on

      Man, you have some deep hate for Slats. Not too unjustified given his past performances. But he is here, like it or not. The team is winning. If they keep winning, I won’t complain.

      PS, two Sather-haters have both posted after my question but didn’t answer it:

      If they win the cup this year, will you eat some humblie pie?

    55. Doodie Machetto on

      You know, my question has given me other questions for those calling for Slats and Renney’s resignations:

      1) What is your desired finish for the team this year, as in, what would the team have to accomplish for you to be satisfied (ie, cup, finals, conference finals, just playoffs?)

      2) How many rookies do you suggest playing to get there?

      3) When do you expect the team to win a Stanley Cup by?

      4) If the team completely rebuilt right now, and all of the kids turned out to be duds (NOT SAYING THEY WILL, THIS IS PURELY HYPOTHETICAL), what would you say about Sather and Renney’s current system?

    56. “””””If they keep winning, I won’t complain””””””””

      so, his lies to the fans don’t matter, his crapping on ranger youth doesn’t matter…as long as they stay a game or two above .500, doodie is in hog heaven.

    57. Guaranteed playoffs, guaranteed Stanley Cup. Can’t wait to be drinking Kool-Aid at the parade in the city in June. Speaking of, I gotta go refill my thermos with more Kool-Aid, I’m running out.

    58. if I eat humble pie I would probably throw up, but don’t worry the odds of us winning the cup are so slim that even talking about winning a cup is laughable. get back to reality.

    59. “We’re still waiting for your in-depth realistic journey thru Sathers’ previous 13 years.”

      it is like the first 13 turns playing Civilization IV, first discovered fishing and the rest is history.

    60. Doodie Machetto on

      By the way, STILL waiting for answers- And Chardkerm, thank you for being the first to do so.

    61. “”””Guaranteed playoffs, guaranteed Stanley Cup”””””””””””

      just like that, huh? guaranteed Cup. let the audience decide who is being more factual and realistic in their posts.

    62. vinny pooh: I tihnk I read (was it on thsi blog??) that Ward has an ankle injury, I am guessing not bad, but probably enough to get a rest. HALL disnt get two lucky goals, the first one had some luck cause it found its way through…the second was a top notch re-direction…no luck there…so lay off the poor guy, he did what he was saposed to, he shot the puck, got a goal, yes with some luck, and than he moved towrds the front of the net and got a gaol with a good tip. I hope he CAN keep it going in the next game, and hot hand dosnt always mean long scoreing streek, Im sure if he dosnt do good early in the game or by the mid point, we may see PP on that line again, Hall is on a high cause he scored two, its good to get that good emotion more ice time…and PP isnt going to lose icetime the way Renney is useing the 3rd line against the other teams top guys. HOSSA: Someone said get hi to the 4th line were he belongs…huh?? he has been part of the Rangers best defensive line…those guys INCUDING Hossa are palying really well…I am upset to see Ward hurt and out. CALLAHAN: I tihnk its smart for a Kids first game to at elast start on the 4th line…the kids gana be nervous, if he palys well there however, during the game he should get a few shifts on the 2nd/3rd line and on the 2nd PP unit. Its not always good to throw a kid into the fire of a game against a BUF team, and we dont know how this kid reacts, maybe he seems really nervous so they are letting him ease in. I tihnk however, that if he is ready he will look it even with just 2 min of ice time….its not how much time you get its how you use it…I know with small amounts of time its hard to get anything going offensivly, but you can use youe energy, much like Hollweg, even when he dosnt get alot of ice time you hear his name when he is on the ice, he will get a hit or two…UNLIKE Orr…but if the Players all like him there…well, at least untill ORTS gets back, leave him be I guess…

    63. Doodie Machetto on

      I’ll answer my own 4 questions:

      1) Conference Finals

      2) Two or Three Rookies

      3) Next Season.

      4) They should have waited a year or two before they rebuilt completely.

    64. “) What is your desired finish for the team this year, as in, what would the team have to accomplish for you to be satisfied (ie, cup, finals, conference finals, just playoffs?)”

      I want common sense in every move and a shift towards prospects by trading or even waiving some players.

      “3) When do you expect the team to win a Stanley Cup by?”

      I don’t really care, to me it is about entertainment, not just the Cup.

      “4) If the team completely rebuilt right now, and all of the kids turned out to be duds (NOT SAYING THEY WILL, THIS IS PURELY HYPOTHETICAL), what would you say about Sather and Renney’s current system?”

      I’ll say good riddance we fired them now, so maybe next GM will draft better.

    65. Doodie Machetto on

      VP, what would make you happy with the Rangers, because it seems the only thing that makes you happy is when they lose- in which case I’d figure you would be Sather’s number one fan after the past 7 years.

    66. Does Weekes need a game? Yes.

      Does Weekes need this game? No.

      I think he should have started against Atlanta and Henrik should have gotten this one?

      Sam, do you put any stock into the fact that Weekes has played just one of his five games at home, or do you think that’s a coincidence.

    67. Doodie Machetto on

      MA- I agree. Lundqvist looked TIRED in the 3rd and in OT. He also deserved another shot at Buffalo so they each got two. And I think he doesn’t play often in the garden because so many fans hate him and Henrik can do no wrong in NY.

    68. “VP, what would make you happy with the Rangers, because it seems the only thing that makes you happy is when they lose- in which case I’d figure you would be Sather’s number one fan after the past 7 years.”

      I want a team like Sabres have–no big names, fun to watch, roll 4 lines, and play lots of young players and don’t want to sign every goddamn UFA.

    69. Doodie Machetto on

      Fair enough. But Briere, Drury, and Miller are all pretty big names. Afinogenov and Vanek too. Spacek, Biron, Niiniima. But you’re right, there is no Jagr. But how many teams have one?

    70. “””””two Sather-haters have both posted after my question but didn’t answer it:

      If they win the cup this year, will you eat some humblie pie?””””””””

      there were about 18,199 Sather-haters in ’04, and then there was Doodie, still reading Pollyanna and defending stogiepuss.

      and I hear that Sather likes cake better than pie.

    71. Mike Ashmore —
      I don’t think there’s anything to WHERE Weekes has played. I think, for the most part, Weekes has played in games WHEN it’s time to rest Lundqvist (see: first Buffalo or first Carolina game), or when the team needs a kick in the pants (see: Anaheim game).
      Sam

    72. Doodie Machetto on

      I hated Sather in 03-04 just as much as the next guy. But they did well last year. And at the end of the day, its doing well that counts. If he keeps them doing well, I can brush that stuff under the rug.

    73. I hope they do win the cup. I really do but they are not better than the best teams and that is who they will have to beat and with Jagr, Shanny, Straka and Nylander all getting over 21 mins in Oct and Nov they may be a bit tired towards the end of the season.

    74. Its not always about the best regualr season team…and Honestly we dont know what THIS Rangers team or a Rangers team with Jagr in the playoffs will do. I mean, Edmonton was far from the best team in the Regualr season and look what tehy did. I am NOT saying that the Rangers will shock people in the playoffs if they sneak in the number 8 spot, but how many teams would want to play this team in the PO’s?? I am sure most teams would hope to get an opponant withought the likes of Shanny, and JJ amd King, as well as Nylander and Straka, and who knows how PP will do this year in the PO, as well as the other guys and whoever gets called up or traded or whatnot..anyone who makes the playoffs will have a shot, and I tihnk the Rangers may have a better shot jsut cause the ablities they have…and the rangers have Orts, a leading palyoff scorer for the rangers last year LOL

    75. as far as them being a winning team, I believe they have won 26 of their last 60 games since Feb. 11

    76. Doodie Machetto on

      give me something official on that. I’m not saying that isn’t the case, I just want to see the actual numbers.

      4Rangers, you STILL haven’t answered my questions, despite your hatred for Sather.

    77. vinny pooh sounds like the guy who was banned from the hfboards,hockeynations boards and OTG boards

    78. I’ll answer your question as soon as Sather answers the fans about the Future Blue televised meeting that Ranger mgmt. called to publicize their supposed youth rebuild, and then pretended like it never happened. When Stogiepuss comes out of hiding to answer that, then you can start asking questions.

    79. Jeeze LaWeeze! Am I still allowed to say Lets Go Rangers???

      Management issues are a fact of life – NY management problems by default are almost unavoidable. Its kinda like the complaint in politics, that best people don’t even consider running.

      Speaking of which maybe it would be easier to talk about politics & religion!

    80. Doodie Machetto on

      4Rangers, I’m not Sather. I just want to know what you think, it will give me a better understanding of your point of view, and who knows, maybe I’ll even take your side if it is convincing to me. Hating Sather doesn’t help me with that.

    81. Yes, you’ve convinced me. Here goes.

      “Let’s go mercenaries”

      Let’s go Isbister

      Let’s go Ferraro

      Let’s go Bo-ZO

    82. Breakingnews: “The Rangers have claimed John LeClair from waivers from Pittsburgh ! Wow what a deal…”

      It is true that LeClair has been placed on waivers – I don’t know about the rest – was this a joke? If so great timing.

      Also what is Kaspars status: there is no way they could be trading him unless they are actually trying to get nothing for him. I can only assume that Kaspar really is not near 100% due to his 2 surgeries.

    83. pretty good indicator that a team sucks is when only 1 player outside the top line is not minus. Last season we only had 2 or 3 players who were minus.

    84. Doodie Machetto on

      4Rangers: What are you so afraid of? It’s 4 simple questions. You can’t be wrong since I’m asking your opinion.

    85. Vinny…although I agree that it isnt good to have the difrence with the +/- and how many of each vs last year, I have always shyed away from that Stat…for instance, Shanny, who is near the leauge lead in goals is a minus…its not a very good stat…like I said, I would rather have it like last yera, but lets not forget, that last year the Ragners didnt start out as good defensivly as they finished, and some of those +/- were better than they should have been IMHO…but again, i would like to see it change, but as long as the team wins…who cares?? ALL: About the youth movemnt..who so many say if over…well how many 2nd year players do the rangers have?? How many player UNDER 30?? I know there arnt any Rookies…but that dosnt mean the youth movement is over..not at all, next year we will see a rook or two, maybe for one of the younger palyer that isnt as good, a Hossa lets say may be gone for a Korpikoski, or something along those lines…than IF a player is ready for the top 6, lets Say Immonen for Cullen, and Cullen to the 3rd line…the ragners havnt abandoned any youth movment, I think this team has plenty of young players, you need vets, and In know that 5 of the top 6 are vets…but its not like they arnt palying well… the only one I would LIKE to see off the top six if someone is better, maybe Immo if he gets his game back, would be Cullen to the 3rd line and someone with a better setup ability on the 2nd line. No vet is jsut taking a spot because he is a vet, at least on the offensive side…ON D I am a little more upset about he situation, now is time to get rid of OZO ither to trade or to the stands, he isnt going to be better, the Rangers dont NEED him, but maybe another team could use him…Vancouver?? Pheonix?? But I want Pock in, other than that, no Pack player I dont think , can really push someone out of the linupe…maybe at the midpoint or end of the season, but more likely next seasosn.SO ther is only one vet I think that is holding up a kid…and thats OZO…but otherwise, what do you want the rangers to do?? focrce a kid into a position that he wont succeed???

    86. vinny pooh also…when it comes to Buf…the last two games, the rangers have forced Buf to play extra time to get their win…how many teams have gotten points in more than one game from BUF??? And the last game wasnt a big blowout…the last two were 1 goal wins…so its not like there will be a bunch of – players….you must have forgotten that the rangers have been doing good against the best team in the NHL…funny…I would have though you think the Sabers ahave won eveery game with 7 gaols…

    87. “I want a team like Sabres have—no big names, fun to watch, roll 4 lines, and play lots of young players and don’t want to sign every goddamn UFA.”

      Why are we constantly compared to Buffalo? Enough already. How can you honestly say they have no big names? Drury, Briere, Afin, Miller, Teppo, Vanek, etc are all big names? When you say you don’t want big names you’re basically saying you want NO ONE to watch the games so only you know about the players. You’re a complete moron. Buffalo is ONE team out of 30 that is successful with having “no big names” even though they actually do. Go read the Sabres blogs and post on them if you want a team like theirs. This is a NYC team, with big expectations. Big expectations = BIG players. Thats how it was, and that’s how it always will be, so get over it.

    88. hey doodiesather, go peddle your papers somewhere else. you might be able to fool some of the kool-aid drinkers on this board with your mgmt.-approved blathering, but the discerning Ranger fans on this board don’t buy your Sather-Renney cheerleading one bit. Put down the pompons. and quit acting like the annoying twit you are.

    89. I can find one big player on every team…even if the team is loseing, there is one name known across the hockey world…To say that you want a team “like the Sabers” or anything like that is silly…I want a winning team…a team that can go something like 8-3-3 in a month…thats good, thats the NEW YORK RANGERS, points in 5 stright, a team that has thew potential to beat anyone in the NHL…thats all I ask for. Who cares what BUF dose? Look at Ottawa for years, one of the best teams in the regualr season..ala Buffalo, than they flattne out in the Playoffs. Not that I tihnk Buf will fold int he PO, but I doubt they win with the aparent ease they are winning now, and they arnt nearly as good now as they were, they are winning, but not as greatly…look at the last two games against the rangers, lots of bounces, some luck with the way calls went, and everything else, the ragners had the same chance to win that game as they did, and thats much more common for the sabers now…they arnt wining as much as not loseing, but thats normal in pro sports, you go hot and cold, and I bet Buf comes back down to earth a little more before all is said and done….I think they will be number 1 in the east, but it will be a fight, and I dont think they win the cup, I dont think they can win a defensive battle…wich is what the PO will be at least most of the time..

    90. “This is a NYC team, with big expectations. Big expectations = BIG players. Thats how it was, and that’s how it always will be, so get over it.”

      And I will always laugh as this team and the big names fall flat on their face each season because they have to accommodate to pathetic fans like you, Pee.

      Outside their goalies, those Sabres players are just good players, so far not stars. I have nothing against good players, I just don’t want selfish prima donnas, and over the hill vets.

      *now I chop off your head with my sword and scream “there can be only one!” as the lightning bolts go through my body and I gain almost nothing because there was nothing”

    91. Since feb 11th of last yera…not including Playoffs (now I hate looking ack to the last year…dosnt say much about the team) but anyway, out of curiosity I took a look. the rangers are since then 22 wins, 19 losses, 4 OT losses and 3 SO losses…so 51 of a possible 98 points. Unless I missmarked some wins losses…but Intihnk I got it…bit thats just 48 games…if you go back 60 games the rangers are 33 wins, 22 losses, 4 ot losses and 3 SO losses…so…83 of a possible 120 points…so if you are a happy rangers fan you look at the last 60 games…if not you look at the last 50… :) Cause they had their 7th win in a row comeing into the game AFTER feb 11th

    92. vinny pooh how could I have guessed…do you have a watcher tatoo?? LOL sorry….well I dont see Jagr falling flatt on his face not last season ither…after he got hurt yeah…but he had a good year, I dont think these stars will fall flat, and they are over the hill…they all seem to be playing like NHL players…over the hill would show up on the score sheet…and How many of the rangers players in the last two yeras have poalyed selfish, NOT WHAT YOU THINK THEY THINK, but what they actuly do?? Yio CANT say Jagr, cause he passes the puck and play defensivly, you cant say Nylander, selfish guys shoot, not pass, cant say Straka, cause he bustes his butt for the team, not for JJ, cant say Shanny, or Cullen, who is selfish?? who plays selfish??

    93. “So what you’re saying is that because Hossa scored 3 points in his last 70 NHL games he deserves 3rd line icetime? You think he is ready to bust out as a NHL force and become a 15-20 goal guy? Come to think of it, what the heck are you trying to say?”

      So shutting down the opposing team’s first line in several games isn’t good enough for our checking line?

      Yes, more scoring would be nice, but neither Ward nor Betts have been doing much. Cullen isn’t doing much. Hollweg and Orr aren’t doing much.

      So why are we singling out one of our largest players, one of our players using the body, and one of our best defensive players?

      Goal scoring is all we care about?

    94. Beamer..no its not about his scoreing…its about his name…they dont like him, he could score 50 and they would say he isnt worth the 3rd line ice time…and that itr was OTHER palyers who gave him 50…its why i have a hard time trying to discuss hockey with some people…they make decisions on what things are good and bad before teh season starts, than they stick with it no matter what happens…

    95. they boo him in pit cause their pissed they dont have him…and Wash cause he sigle hasndedly didnt bring them the cup…..when he was in PIT fans and press didnt call him selfish…I tihnk your just reaching for straws…ANY rebuilding team would LOVE to have Jagr…and EVERY one of their fans would love to have him, your just really trying to find reaosn to be mad at the rangers…you donty think Buff would take JJ?? They would in a heartbeat, he is a world class player…and FAR from the most selfish player in the nHL…LOL…maybe Yashin, or EVERY OTHER PLYER who held out for more money…Jagr dosnt even play selfish on the ice. Lok at the number of assits he has, thats NOT the sign of a selfish player…maybe he used to play morte selfish, but starting last year e has become a very good team player…everyone has been noticing that, he has become a total team player…he hasnt pouted at all, and you can say all you want that he tell teh Coaches and managment what he wants, if they do it, its them not him, but yeah, you keep a guy like that with players around him that he wants…ESPECIALLY when you need to sign some players…Next year I bet he has less of his “buddies” around him. Most likely Nylander and Straka stay, as long as they continue to paly well, and rightly so. Shanny I hope is back, and Cullen I hope is on the 3rd line, but otherwise, unless a GREAT trade offer comes, you dont move any of the top 3, becase Jagr wants them or not…

    96. and to points out…if jagr left after winning the cup this yera, when he came back to NY, te fans at MSG would boo him after the initial round of applause…thats what you do, you boo former players…your funny… but hey… maybe you are hopeing the rangers win “the prize” ” There can be only one!!”

    97. Jagr never left he was traded, because he demanded a crzy salary. His assists have nothing to do with being selfish. He made Rangers sign a bunch of his friends that is selfish. He accepted captainy when Shanahan is clearly better suited. He plays with his servants/friends who have to fetch the puck to him, everything revolves around Jagr, he demands tons of icetime, floats, and stays on the ice as long as he wishes, he returned for last 2 playoff games when he was not able to do anything instead of saying “playing me would just be a waste of 20 minutes of icetime, better distribute that icetime around players that will actually be able to score”, he was clearly overweight last season, etc.

    98. vinny…do you know nything???? Oh gues not…your nuts..you think JJ decided he should be captain over Shanny…LOL thats so funny…Shanny would say no, so what…3 A’s again…part of Shanny is that he is a better leader WITHOUGHT THE C, so I dont think he wants it…and he is new to the team…you a joke…a huge joke…and Im sure he siad.. “if you dont sign *insert name here* I wont paly!” you nuts…you think Reneny is not OK with him on theice alot? he dosnt flaot when its his job to come back, when he needs to he hustles back, and he works hard on the ice, he jsut dusnt move when he ost need to…you a joke, youseemingly know NOTHING about hockey, the worlds best p[al[yers dont always look like they did all the work…he dosnt float, he moves around withought getting attention, he makes defensive palys, you want to say he is sepfish cuse you are dillusinal and probably think that Byers could replace him ont he top line and get 100 points…OK Im done with you really I need to NOT even read your posts…if there can be only one, it should be you…go start your own website…be the only one LOL

    99. I looked it up. since the Olympics ended, the Rangers have played, beginning March 2, including the playoffs, 53 games, and they have won only 22 of them.

      since the Olympics ended the Rangers have won 22 of the 53 games they have played.

      don’t talk about OT losses. they are NOT wins.

    100. That record stinks. As does Sather.

      Really hope Callahan gets to play and play more than 2:14 tomorrow. Maybe he will be given a chance to succeed as Renney said he would do with his players.

    101. right, tsalad. it seems the only way that young Rangers get a chance is due to injuries, and that goes back to Lundy and Prucha last year too.

    102. No doubt that is the only way young guys get a chance. Shame as I feel there are a couple who could help out this year and be better next year. Maloney said a few weeks back maybe it was a mistake to send Staal back to jrs. Yea I think so.

      Renney had that quote on Weeks being his #1 last year. “Weeks is the number one guys and that’s that”

    103. Let’s see…if Colton Orr gets 2-3 minutes of ice i can only image Ryan getting between 15-30 seconds.

    104. Doodie Machetto on

      4Rangers, all you do is say nay. I don’t mind nay-sayers. I just want to know what the nay-rational is expecting instead of what they are getting. My 4 questions are only so I can understand the other point of view. I have my opinions and right now I’m not spreading them. I just want yours. Tsalad’s too, because I’m usually at ends with him as well.

      And Vinny Pooh- A while back there was a forum post that had a discussion about Jagr as captain. Read up over there and see if you still think Jagr wasn’t the clear choice for captain.

    105. I’ll answer the questions

      If the Rangers win a round this year that is an improvement over last year. Just win one round for the first time since 1997 and that would be an improvement. Still not happy but an improvement.

      At least 1 and I see no reason why 2-3 couldn’t play every night. Ozo and Hossa and Rachunek are not irreplaceable.

      If the club can develop players and so far this year they have shown they can’t and more importantly they won’t, two years from now they should be able to beat the best.

      If 20% of your draft choices make the NHL that is considered a success. Since no kids have been given a chance this year I have no idea and no one else does either if they can play. I’m willing however to let them try and see if they can do it.

      Drafting players is one thing and with the Rangers pathetic record over the past 7 years they should have drafted good players considering where they were picking at and developing players is a whole different ball of wax.

      Since Sather has been here the Ranngers have drafted and developed 2tin, Lundqvist who was really developed in Sweden, Prucha, Hollweg, D Moore and Blackburn. Six players in six years and sixty one (61) overall picks. That is awful considering where the Rangers were picking from in the 2000-2005 drafts. Now that is for 2000-05 and for some its still to soon, but when none get a chance to play this year I have trouble seeing others getting a shot next year or the year after. They are not given the chance to succeed and therefore we don’t know if they can play but I want to find out. They just can’t seem to develop players and I sure hope that changes because if it doesn’t it is going to be a long haul and no way they get close to being an elite team within two years.

    106. “And Vinny Pooh- A while back there was a forum post that had a discussion about Jagr as captain. Read up over there and see if you still think Jagr wasn’t the clear choice for captain.”

      that’s ok, I have a brain of my own and I don’t like Jagr as captain for many reasons.

      Wildcard, I find your posts unreadable and disrespectful towards all readers it looks like you are typing with your feet blindfolded. If you want people to take you seriously then don’t write gibberish. No wonder you love Jagr so much, you are just as selfish and lazy as him.

    107. Thanks for the answer, Sam.

      I’m just concerned that Lundqvist isn’t getting a needed rest at times because Renney is concerned about the reaction Weekes will get at home.

    108. 4Rangers: Well OT and SO losses arnt wins…tehy are points…and at teh end of the year, its the number of POINTS you have not the numbe of WINS…wins are important, but if you get points in more games than not, you will make teh playoffs…SO points matter, I dont remember the games, but if they are comeback points that is something large orverall, if tehy are fall back points, meaing giving up the lead, than its something bad. Vinny, peopel with half a brain can figure out what Im tying to say…so go put you half a brain could see what I was trying to say…cant figure out that teh is acutuly the?? Im sorry if I taxed you to teh limit…LOL…but I am sorry if I upset you Duncan… ;)

    109. Mike Ashmore: I tihnk Weekes would ahve gotten a game in…but King was so good even in the fisrt OT loss, its hard to sit a guy who is palying that well…he didnt look tired till near the end of the last game…so I dont think it was on the minda of anyone untill after the game…Weekes I think will play good, he always seems to come in after a long time withought a game and play well…LOL..now wach me be wrong…

    110. Question authority! Hold those in power accountable! Howl
      at the moon! All of these are acceptable if not a bit idealistic, then again what the hey.

      Yes more can be done – I’m sure we all agree – & even then it may or may not be enough! But I am still a Hockey fan who lives in NY & I still support the “Team” – even if & when I’m not in NY. BTW I don’t agree with all moves made on this team either, “promises” were made – “promises” were broken!

      STILL is it tooo Late? Can’t We all just get along??

    111. TSALAD: Boy, did you hit it on the head.

      WOLFEN: If anyone here thinks that questioning the competence/motives of the Ranger “brain trust” means not supporting the team, they are hugely mistaken. It would be a lot easier on the innards to just sit back and say “Everything’s fine”. But it’s not.

    112. DoodieMachetto on

      tsalad: your expectations aren’t that different than mine. In fact, I seem to expect a little more than you. So why are you so angry at Sather? The rookies will play, if not this season, then next. If not next season, then you’ll have something to complain about. Unless, of course, they win a cup. If they win a cup, no one can say anything.

    113. If they win the cup I won’t say a word.

      Sather is a failure plain and simple. An arrogant failure.

      The rookies will play, if not this season, then next.

      That isn’t good enough for me. I want this season. I want them to play now as the guys playing now are not good and have no upside. Ozo, Hossa, etc. There are guys who possibly have upside and that is who I want to see.

    114. I hope this place doesn’t become a haven for Sather/Dolan/Renney lovers like Rodent’s site and Bird’s site.

      Rodent especially is a power hungry SOB that loves to toy with and threaten those that don’t agree with him or his group of disciples.

      How could anybody think Sather has done a good job after the horrible record he has had with this team? He lucked out with the Jagr signing and initially with the new rules after the lockout but now the rest of the league has caught and passed them.

      When I see how Willie Randolph gives his kids a chance it infuriates me even more about that putz Renney who lied through his teeth that this team is rebuilding. This team isn’t rebuilding, it’s regressing!!

    115. Doodie wrote: ” So why are you so angry at Sather? The rookies will play, if not this season, then next. If not next season, then you’ll have something to complain about.”

      What makes you so sure they’ll play next season?

      Sather has a history of bringing in FA’s to fill supporting roles that could be given to kids. I’m talking about Malik, Roszival, Ward, Cullen and even the re-signing of Straka (as good as he’s been). He’s also traded for castoffs that couldn’t make other teams and put them into roles that a home-grown prospect could fill just as capably (J. Ward, Hossa, Stiffbister if he gets called up)

      So, let’s say the team makes the playoffs this year and goes a round or two deep. The pressure will be even greater in the offseason to “upgrade” while JJ and Shanny are still playing well. So, while they might dump Ozo, Rachunek, Kaspar on D and Straka might retire up front, what makes anyone think they’ll fill those spots with kids next year? No way — Sather will go out and sign some UFA’s, all in the name of upgrading the team. And the beat goes on….

    116. DoodieMachetto on

      “What makes you so sure they’ll play next season”

      Hope. I don’t know if they will or not. If they don’t then I’ll be just as angry as you guys.

      And when the Rangers acquired Hossa he had a lot of potential. He had just as many points as his brother during the lockout on the same team in the SEL. His AHL numbers were big. He just didn’t pan out.

      See? We aren’t all that different. We all want to see the team win and we want to the youth play. Some want it now, others are willing to wait a year. But the difference of one year really isn’t something for all of us to fight each other over and start name calling (IM NOT SAYING THIS SPECIFICALLY TO ANYONE OR IN RESPONSE TO ANYTHING, JUST A GENERAL OBSERVATION ON WHAT HAS OCCURRED PREVIOUSLY ON THIS FORUM).

      I mean, I’m pretty sure there is something we can all agree on:

      POTVIN SUCKS!

    117. Lenny, I totally agree I can’t stand Rodent and Bird, they make me want to puke, just a couple of snobs that think they are clever and funny.

      BTW, remember how in the summer Sather was saying there are spots for the prospects, there will be spots, turned out to be a lie, well that is why actually Dawes “made” the team so it wouldn’t be a total lie.

    118. I mean, I’m pretty sure there is something we can all agree on:

      POTVIN SUCKS!

      nope, I think people, who say that, suck

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